Halo Combat Evolved (2003 Gearbox port) | RTX Remix Showcase | Page 2

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 6:50 PM

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Note: the previous version of this image I posted was just sRGB clamped, not filmic

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:00 PM

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interesting that srgb clamped is more saturated

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:01 PM

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olive spindle interesting that srgb clamped is more saturated

Why? Shouldn't that almost always be the case?

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:02 PM

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clamp as in every value above 1 set it to 1?

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Yes. Since very little here is above 1, that means it retains the original color and saturation, rather than being compressed by the shoulder of the tone curve.

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Colorful highlights will always look more saturated when clamped, at least until they saturate to white (which only happens when all channel components are above 1)

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Hue-preserving operators (like yours seems to be) also desaturate colorful highlights by necessity (otherwise hue shift is inevitable)

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:08 PM

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maybe it's different between blender and games
in my experience games with usually look less saturated clamped

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:10 PM

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It depends on the operator being used. I guess I also never asked precisely what gamma correction should be applied after your tonemapper. Just standard sRGB?

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:11 PM

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2.2

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Basically the same as sRGB, just with elevated shadows

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:14 PM

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2.2 vs srgb is a giant rabbit hole lol

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Yeah. The right one to use depends on the circumstances.

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In most cases it doesn't make much difference

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:15 PM

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in games it's supposed to be 2.2

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:16 PM

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Yeah I changed the shader to use 2.2

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So future renders will reflect that

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:16 PM

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srgb will raise your shadows very noticably in hdr (:

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it's why a lot of games look wrong in hdr

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:17 PM

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That doesn't make sense, 2.2 should result in raised shadows. I guess it depends on which direction you're going though, converting to linear vs from linear.

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But going from linear to gamma space, 2.2 will result in raised shadows

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 7:20 PM

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it's very messy lol

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don't have the time to fully explain it rn

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 7:23 PM

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It also doesn't help that people seem to use the term "linear" inconsistently, so it's difficult to know what someone means by it. I've seen it used to refer to when there's a 1:1 relationship between the physical light value and pixel value (which is the way I always use it), but when it comes to display-related stuff, I often see it used to refer to values which are obviously gamma-corrected (sampling the pixel value would not give you a linear relationship to the light value being represented) but not otherwise tonemapped.

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 8:37 PM

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For additional context, here's both a raw (linear) and linear-with-gamma-correction (clamped) version of the previous render

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I have your shader configured to accept raw as input, with gamma correction applied at the very end

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 8:42 PM

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"raw" input and gamma correction at the very end is correct 👍

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 9:25 PM

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I found this comparison interesting

shy bronze Oct 29, 2025, 9:27 PM

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I can’t tell which is better 2 or 3

olive spindle Oct 29, 2025, 9:33 PM

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unironically the top one is probably the most accurate

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could always add constrast to the top setup

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it's better to start neutral and add ontop instead of baking a "look" into the tonemapper

hot plaza Oct 29, 2025, 11:05 PM

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very good point

vestal basin Oct 31, 2025, 2:23 AM

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That already looks nicer than anything I've seen

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My only issue with what was stated was you said more than 4x is redundant and that's simply not true. The only other HALO 2k project is horrendous to the point it's not even worth using those

8x is much nicer than 4x and its proven with the fact anything lower there is a significant quality loss dropping it down. People pay $4000+ for a Gpu with 512bit of 32GB of memory to use this. We need to push it as far as it will go then stop it down off that

hot plaza Oct 31, 2025, 8:32 PM

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Maybe you're right, I'm just speaking from my limited experience with upscaling, I'm not familiar with the most advanced techniques

olive spindle Oct 31, 2025, 8:50 PM

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My thing is I don't think straight upscales from the original game makes sense in this context

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like ce's rendering was mostly done in gamma space and the materials were made with gamma space in mind so using upscaled versions of materials in a linear space renderer that applies gamma at the end is going to look odd

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maybe if you took the textures applied gamma to them then do the upscaling they would work better but I'm not sure how much better that would be

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(assuming that remix linearizes textures on read)

hot plaza Oct 31, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Surely it must be possible to have remix convert sRGB textures to linear on load

olive spindle Oct 31, 2025, 9:30 PM

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no I mean remix probably already does that and the original game didn't so the textures will look weird

vestal basin Nov 1, 2025, 12:35 AM

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hot plaza Maybe you're right, I'm just speaking from my limited experience with upscaling,...

In the words of an NVIDIA enthusiast I'm no longer in contact with, there's no reason not to use those. The only exception is if it's destroying the integrity of the normal or specular

hot plaza Nov 1, 2025, 12:44 AM

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olive spindle no I mean remix probably already does that and the original game didn't so the t...

Why would it look weird? Original game kept everything in gamma space the whole time, while remix would convert textures from gamma to linear and at the end of everything the image goes back to gamma space again, so they should look basically the same

olive spindle Nov 1, 2025, 12:44 AM

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I'll see if I can pull up a pic real quick

olive spindle Nov 1, 2025, 12:48 AM

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hot plaza Why would it look weird? Original game kept everything in gamma space the whole ...

gamma space vs linear space
notice how different the floor is?

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ignore the difference in lighting

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this is with me manual linearizing the textures in the shaders

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very primitive but you get the idea

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it's up to personal preference which is better ig but if you want to be accurate to the original you can't just linearize the textures

hot plaza Nov 1, 2025, 12:57 AM

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Other than linearizing the textures then gamma correcting, it all just the original shaders in that comparison right?

olive spindle Nov 1, 2025, 12:57 AM

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yeah
I linearized everything not realizing that the light maps are already in linear hence why the lighting looks funky

hot plaza Nov 1, 2025, 1:02 AM

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If the Blam engine shaders are operating on the linearized textures then that would explain why the materials look wrong – the shader tags are configured assuming most of the textures are in gamma space, so they'll put out the wrong values. That's not an issue since presumably the final RTX release (if we get there, I hope we do) will shade the materials on its own rather than relying on Bungie's shaders.

olive spindle Nov 12, 2025, 8:05 PM

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fun fact: it looks like halo pc's fixed function mode is partially software rendered

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very cool gearbox

broken belfry Nov 12, 2025, 11:38 PM

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olive spindle fun fact: it looks like halo pc's fixed function mode is partially software rend...

sounds right lol

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i used to play it on an old compaq pc with iirc a core duo (not core 2 duo). it was cpu bound... the igpu wasn't even being fully used

olive spindle Nov 12, 2025, 11:40 PM

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yeah I can see that...
all the "skinned meshes" and scenery objects are run in software lol

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I think the bsp is actually fixed function though

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:36 AM

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olive spindle very cool gearbox

we can thank gearbox for every issue on halo ce PC ports

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:39 AM

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Thanks Randy

olive spindle Nov 13, 2025, 12:40 AM

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drowsy fossil we can thank gearbox for every issue on halo ce PC ports

yeah
though I have no context for why certain decisions were made with the ports lol
could've made total sense in the situation they were in idk 🤷‍♂️

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:42 AM

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Yeah, but one should never pass on an opportunity to blame Randy Pitchford for something

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:43 AM

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Think about it, the bugs they introduced affected 343 10+ years later lol.

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:43 AM

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randy badass

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:43 AM

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drowsy fossil Think about it, the bugs they introduced affected 343 10+ years later lol.

since the bugs still existed in MCC for another 10 years

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:44 AM

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Some still do, though thankfully 343 did eventually fix most of the visual problems

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:45 AM

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hot plaza Some still do, though thankfully 343 did eventually fix most of the visual probl...

I think with the assistance of the Custom Edition modding scene

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:48 AM

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They probably contributed some valuable research and diagnosis info. 343 deserves credit for putting in the work to follow through on actually fixing things though, one of their rare W's

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I wish Microsoft would see the value of MCC and let them finish their work

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:50 AM

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Now I beg for a proper Halo 5 PC Port for its' 10th anniversary (Never gonna happen 😭 )

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:51 AM

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(also wish Microsoft would release the original Halo Xbox source code, but lol that's never going to happen)

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:51 AM

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hot plaza (also wish Microsoft would release the original Halo Xbox source code, but lol t...

probably will happen we will get the Source OR GoldSRC Engine Source Code (never)

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 12:52 AM

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drowsy fossil Now I beg for a proper Halo 5 PC Port for its' 10th anniversary (Never gonna hap...

Since I dont have Xbox Live, 99% of the game is unplayable. Only the campaign works bruh

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 12:59 AM

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I wouldn't hold out hope for Halo 5 on PC given it's the least popular Halo game, it doesn't make any financial sense to invest in it

olive spindle Nov 13, 2025, 1:02 AM

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well probably get an xbox one emulator at some point

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 1:03 AM

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olive spindle well probably get an xbox one emulator at some point

Xwine1

hot plaza Nov 13, 2025, 1:03 AM

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I've still never used Xemu, just seems too complicated to set up

drowsy fossil Nov 13, 2025, 1:03 AM

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hot plaza I've still never used Xemu, just seems too complicated to set up

I got it setup, played some online counter strike and Dead Or Alive on it

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It pretty much is like i got a built in xbox on my pc, instead of an emulator

white quail Nov 13, 2025, 2:37 AM

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olive spindle fun fact: it looks like halo pc's fixed function mode is partially software rend...

is that a bad thing?

olive spindle Nov 13, 2025, 4:05 AM

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white quail is that a bad thing?

it means we can't use remix the fixed function mode for remix.

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we need a compatibility mod similar to what xoxor does for other games

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I found the game's camera matrices the other day so that should be very doable

white quail Nov 13, 2025, 4:48 AM

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oh ok

shy bronze Nov 13, 2025, 7:33 AM

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olive spindle I *found* the game's camera matrices the other day so that should be very doable

Would you be doing the xoxor style mod as well?

olive spindle Nov 13, 2025, 7:38 AM

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I'll be attempting it when I have the time

tired cypress Nov 18, 2025, 1:40 AM

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hot plaza For additional context, here's both a raw (linear) and linear-with-gamma-correct...

can you show me how to changed the gamma correction? Underground 2 RTx has bad gamma. @hot plaza

olive spindle Nov 18, 2025, 1:43 AM

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tired cypress can you show me how to changed the gamma correction? Underground 2 RTx has bad g...

you can't change the gamma curve in remix but setting the tonemapping in remix to global and disabling finalize with aces should help

vestal basin Nov 20, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Also give a wide range of hardware support which is the reason these rendering modes exist at all is lower end ATI and NVIDIA or 3Dfx hardware didn't even have the required pixel shaders, since the Xbox is a custom Geforce 3 which functions as a Geforce 4

All specific things in 2003 none of us had a clue of whatsoever. Who knows if Microsoft or Bungie even gave them the proper shader library they would've had to create those thing out of thin air from scratch if they were proprietary to the hardware. With limited time and looming deadlines it met the same fate as the real HALO 2, an unfinished pile of trash with no stencil shadows

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Bungie: We designed all these custom effects in the final stages of the game which work on the Xbox alone, since it's exclusive.

Microsoft: PC edition will sell copies give us, we'll outsource

Bungie: Here is prototype version prior to those which still works on PC, good luck that's exactly where we left things.

drowsy fossil Nov 20, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Still, they left all animations at 30fps. That is something they shouldve fixed regardless lol

olive spindle Nov 20, 2025, 2:36 AM

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vestal basin Also give a wide range of hardware support which is the reason these rendering m...

yeah I have the feeling they were under a pretty tight deadline
mixing fixed function and software rendering seems like the kind of solution you come up with when you don't have the time to do everything in fixed function

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though that could've be common practice back then
-# to be completely honest I'm not very knowledgable about early 2000s pc gaming lol

vestal basin Nov 20, 2025, 2:38 AM

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olive spindle yeah I have the feeling they were under a pretty tight deadline mixing fixed fun...

Funny though, 25 years later we still haven't properly replicated 2001 effects

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We're getting there, NVIDIA stuff is an afterthought, yet the closer we are to source easier it is. Also those are things that Remix can do to, except much nicer

olive spindle Nov 20, 2025, 2:44 AM

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remix will surpass the original visually pretty easily I think

vestal basin Nov 20, 2025, 2:45 AM

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olive spindle remix will surpass the original visually pretty easily I think

More so refering to accuracy, namely the shaders and flashlight.

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This has a real shot now if they ruin Campaign Evolved

olive spindle Nov 20, 2025, 2:51 AM

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need to do testing to see if chimera works with the camera stuff 🤔

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remix doesn't do animation interpolation so it would be really nice if I could use chimera

white quail Nov 23, 2025, 1:50 AM

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vestal basin This has a real shot now if they ruin Campaign Evolved

Id rather play this then campaign evolved (its cuz im broke)

buoyant ivy Nov 24, 2025, 10:55 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuK-oafQP1s I don't know if you guys saw this/have thoughts about visual direction of your mod vs the remaster/remake. If you're planning on replacing models and adding extra geometry vs preserving readability?

YouTube

Patch Notes

Are Low Poly Games Better?

In this video, I discuss why low-poly games can be just as immersive and captivating as high-fidelity titles.

▶ Play video

olive spindle Nov 25, 2025, 12:02 AM

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buoyant ivy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuK-oafQP1s I don't know if you guys saw this/ha...

I'd argue that readability has much more to do with game design than raw graphical fidelity and you can maintain distinct readable silhouettes with higher poly models.

olive spindle Nov 25, 2025, 12:19 AM

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For an example, if you look at the CE elite, their armor is very glossy (almost like iridescent blue car paint) and I think that was intentionally done to help them stand out from the background. That's the kind of thing I will want to maintain with the higher fidelity rendering.

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buoyant ivy Nov 25, 2025, 9:39 AM

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Nice!, do you think the orange sections on the elbows are supposed to be emissive? Also how much extra geometry do you think you are going to add to the environments?

hot plaza Nov 25, 2025, 2:08 PM

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Pretty sure they are supposed to be emissive

olive spindle Nov 25, 2025, 7:13 PM

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buoyant ivy Nice!, do you think the orange sections on the elbows are supposed to be emissiv...

I think the forerunner structures should mostly stay the same but the natural enviorments should be much higher poly

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something like this

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-# this is a render I stole from reddit fyi

hot plaza Nov 26, 2025, 6:42 AM

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I agree

pine tundra Nov 26, 2025, 9:38 PM

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olive spindle I think the forerunner structures should mostly stay the same but the natural en...

Truth nuke

drowsy fossil Nov 26, 2025, 11:27 PM

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Id love to see what h4 and h5's forerunner artstyle would look lik with rtx

hot plaza Nov 26, 2025, 11:54 PM

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drowsy fossil Id love to see what h4 and h5's forerunner artstyle would look lik with rtx

Chrome-plated vomit

drowsy fossil Nov 27, 2025, 12:18 AM

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Tron like

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I like the look of h4 and h5 forerunner

hot plaza Dec 7, 2025, 7:04 AM

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more detailed classic ring model, WIP

olive spindle Dec 15, 2025, 4:41 AM

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👀

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-# nothing to see here

hot plaza Dec 15, 2025, 5:09 AM

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olive spindle 👀

Ah, that old message. Never gets old.

olive spindle Dec 15, 2025, 5:10 AM

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this is my first time seeing it actually lol

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-# in this case it's caused by my wip compat mod lol

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-# honestly kinda glad that it crashes on startup
-# tells me I'm at least doing something

olive spindle Dec 15, 2025, 3:34 PM

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okay I think I figure out what I was doing lol
turns out if you name your hook d3d9.dll and don't provide all the d3d9.dll functionallity in your hook it will just crash on startup
-# yes this is my first time doing this don't judge me

drowsy fossil Dec 16, 2025, 9:39 PM

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drowsy fossil I like the look of h4 and h5 forerunner

I like Halo 4 and 5's artstyle and I'm not afraid to say it

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https://tenor.com/view/tangled-i-dont-care-whatever-so-what-gif-19119111

Tenor

olive spindle Dec 16, 2025, 9:47 PM

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much prefer 4's over 5's but they're good
not ideal for a ce remake though I think

drowsy fossil Dec 19, 2025, 12:16 AM

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olive spindle much prefer 4's over 5's but they're good not ideal for a ce remake though I thi...

They are doing what looks like an Infinite artstyle

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The AR looks a little odd

white quail Dec 30, 2025, 12:37 AM

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is there any progress updates?

olive spindle Dec 30, 2025, 6:12 AM

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nothing worth showing

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:02 PM

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olive spindle nothing worth showing

Except this xD

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olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:02 PM

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what am I looking at?
:p

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:03 PM

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want to send vid but too big

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give me a bit

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the menu one btw was super har to navigate. IT KEPT MOVING AROUND THE SCREEN

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:05 PM

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yeah it does that if you don't tag it

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:05 PM

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it is tagged

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that is the funny thing

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:06 PM

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odd

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:06 PM

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maybe one of the black textures counts towards it too

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:06 PM

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that's a modded campaign, right?

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:06 PM

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no

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rat race

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mp

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:07 PM

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oh lol
I haven't touched the multiplayer at all

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:07 PM

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pressing alt messes with the graphics lol

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the camera isnt synced AT ALL XD

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:08 PM

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oh it might be pickup on a seperate camera

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lol

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not sure how remix decideds which camera to use or how any of that works

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:10 PM

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shot myself

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:10 PM

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you're using vanilla remix, right?

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:11 PM

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what ever i already had installed to it. Was about to switch to the Extended shader build why?

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:12 PM

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extended shader build without useff would probably work better

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:13 PM

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here is the build

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drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:15 PM

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olive spindle extended shader build without useff would probably work better

should I disable useff or try with useff first?

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:15 PM

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without useff
the extended shader build won't look any different with useff

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:17 PM

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really quick, whats the chances of getting h2 vista to work?

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oh not this again bro, the splash is stuck on screen. gonna see if i can remove it via something here

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:18 PM

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drowsy fossil really quick, whats the chances of getting h2 vista to work?

could someone get halo 2 vista working? probably
is it currently completely broken? yes

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:22 PM

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interesting

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olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:24 PM

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if you tell remix to ignore all the bump maps the flicker should be noticably better

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:35 PM

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huh this campaign is soi's adventure

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hearing some odst music

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anywas is there a way to stop all bodies appearing in my view when im near?

olive spindle Jan 30, 2026, 7:39 PM

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not that I know of

drowsy fossil Jan 30, 2026, 7:41 PM

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proud fox Feb 1, 2026, 9:28 AM

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Anyone wante to tackle some of the character models?

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Like the elites?

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If I get time that is

olive spindle Feb 1, 2026, 7:58 PM

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proud fox Like the elites?

If this ever get's off the ground I wanted to use Jordanspartain's models but if you feel like you can make something better go for it

proud fox Feb 1, 2026, 8:51 PM

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I will still probably be doing them as fan art pieces either wya so it is a win win for me

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 2:24 PM

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proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:39 PM

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olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 8:45 PM

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are you modeling over the old assault rifle model?
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pretty neat

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:53 PM

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Yeah I got the MA5B

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I will obviously add details to it to make it more detailed. I will try to keep it as faithful as possible though so I do not get slaughted by the community haha

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 8:55 PM

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halo fans are brutal lol

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I liked your last assault rifle though

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:56 PM

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Thanks I do want this one to follow the design cues of the MA5b as much as possible. Within reason though as the HALO CE model is so low poly some stuff doesn't make much sense

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:56 PM

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olive spindle halo fans are brutal lol

and yeah HALO fans terrify me

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The original CE model doesn't even have a trigger

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 8:58 PM

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really? wow

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:58 PM

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yep

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 8:58 PM

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lmao

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:58 PM

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So some "liberties need to be taken imo

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 8:59 PM

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proud fox Thanks I do want this one to follow the design cues of the MA5b as much as possi...

probably smart
hopefully make's the older animations not look so wonky

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 8:59 PM

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Lucky there is a good model off artstation I can use as reference to also help get ideas

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https://vespade.artstation.com/projects/X1AdWn

Andrew "Vespade" S.

MA5B Assault Rifle & MA5K Carbine

This asset was created for use in The Cole Protocol, a Halo Arma 3 Total Conversion mod, developed by Black Element Studio. Heavily inspired by the Assault Rifle seen in Halo: Combat Evolved, the MA5B in Halo Wars, and the MA5D from Halo 4, this model sports the original MA5B proportions with additional details being stemmed from Halo Wars and a...

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I love how faithful looking his model is

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It strikes a good balance

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I reckon we can try to aim for a bit more definition but always within reason

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 9:02 PM

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yeah
Remix is shockingly chill with high poly models

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 9:03 PM

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I always strive for good topology and polycounts either way as silouhette is what counts more

olive spindle Feb 2, 2026, 9:04 PM

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wonder how replacing the ammo counter would work in remix 🤔

hot plaza Feb 2, 2026, 9:57 PM

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You can also use Marcus Lehto's model as a reference for the mesh (not for the textures though)

proud fox Feb 2, 2026, 10:36 PM

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olive spindle wonder how replacing the ammo counter would work in remix 🤔

Yeah true. What they did for HALO CE was they made all the numbers as alpha textures but yeah I wonder as well

drowsy fossil Feb 3, 2026, 3:28 AM

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olive spindle wonder how replacing the ammo counter would work in remix 🤔

Marking them as legacy emissive might work

olive spindle Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 AM

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maybe?

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 2:42 PM

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Staying faily faithful to the design

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solar plank Feb 3, 2026, 2:44 PM

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This is great stuff

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Is this gonna be used as is or will it be baked into LP later on?

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 2:45 PM

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It will be baked into a loew poly

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For me efficiency is always key\

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Gives me a chance to have a cleaner mesh too as High poly meshes can get messy sometimes

solar plank Feb 3, 2026, 2:47 PM

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I like the little sci-fi aspect that you put in

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 2:48 PM

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cheers. I am happy as long as it still stays true to the MA5b so I dun get backlash from halo fans. Halo fans can be brutal lol

solar plank Feb 3, 2026, 2:51 PM

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You're putting in genuine effort as always. That's what matters. Looking forward to the end result green_fire

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 3:02 PM

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https://klipy.com/gifs/red-vs-blue-didnt-i-tell-you-not-to-make-up-animals-grif-simmons-warthog

Klipy

Red Vs Blue Didn'T I Tell You Not To Make Up Animals Grif Simmons Warthog

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hot plaza Feb 3, 2026, 6:17 PM

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The extra crap around the barrel doesn't serve any purpose

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Modifying the design can be justified, but there has to be some reasonable purpose behind it

hot plaza Feb 3, 2026, 7:10 PM

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For example, a good change to make would be moving the ejection port from the cheek rest down to the same level as the barrel (when you get to that point)

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 7:29 PM

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hot plaza For example, a good change to make would be moving the ejection port from the ch...

So get rid of or move this forward?

hot plaza Feb 3, 2026, 7:31 PM

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I'd say get rid of it. As cool as it would look to turn it into a flash hider, that wouldn't be consistent with the iconic muzzle flash we see in game.

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 7:32 PM

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too easy

hot plaza Feb 3, 2026, 7:32 PM

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Or you can make two versions, one with a bare barrel and one with a flash hider

proud fox Feb 3, 2026, 7:33 PM

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easy enough I just hid it if I want to use it

hot plaza Feb 3, 2026, 7:33 PM

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Variants are always nice

proud fox Feb 4, 2026, 7:19 PM

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lowly getting it done

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slowly

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maybe instead of using array to duplicate 59 more 7.62mm fmjs I should just be a masochist and copy them one by one

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/j

hot plaza Feb 5, 2026, 10:12 AM

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proud fox maybe instead of using array to duplicate 59 more 7.62mm fmjs I should just be a...

I have no idea how Marcus managed to fit even 30 of them in there, let alone 60. I tried it out myself and that magazine can hold AT MOST a whopping 18 rounds of 7.62 NATO as modeled

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making a new, larger magazine and filling the available space as much as possible could get you up to 24 or something

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this is why full size cartridges are bad for standard issue rifles, it seriously limits ammo capacity

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(the US Army is trying its best to re-learn this the hard way for reasons that defy comprehension)

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/rant

solar plank Feb 5, 2026, 10:19 AM

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Doesn't the sequel hold 32 rounds in it? Or was that specific for the burst Variant

hot plaza Feb 5, 2026, 10:20 AM

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ARs have varied between 32 and 36 rounds in subsequent games, but that's still twice as much as it could realistically hold of the ammunition it supposedly uses

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interestingly, the Halo 1 shotgun actually CAN hold 12 rounds of full size 8 gauge shells as modeled

solar plank Feb 5, 2026, 10:23 AM

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I could give this one a benefit of doubt because I can't really challenge game logic and second, it was Bungie's first Halo game so there's a room for refinement that wasn't initially explored in terms of weapon accuracy

hot plaza Feb 5, 2026, 10:24 AM

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Yeah, the weapon stats in game have always been driven solely by game design considerations, not realism

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I don't fault them for that, I'm just talking about the consequences for when you try to reconcile the physical design, game stats, and lore

solar plank Feb 5, 2026, 10:25 AM

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Still amusing that the AR had 60 rounds. It was pretty fun mowing down enemies. But it burned through ammo fast

hot plaza Feb 5, 2026, 10:25 AM

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The Halo 1 AR was really an SMG wearing a rifle skin

proud fox Feb 5, 2026, 11:42 AM

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The 5B holds 60 which I have them modelled at 1:2 relative to bungies rifle size. They are "to scale" ut based on doubling the actual size...Still yeah how that gun holds even 30 I would love to know

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cause...

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I know they need to be rotated I was just doing a comparison

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 11:04 AM

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@olive spindle I found one shader responsible for creating the white material effect even on rasterized rendering (when disabling it)

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Everything looks white, no textures

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 4:46 PM

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solar plank <@759531177328508949> I found one shader responsible for creating the white mate...

I think it has something to do with the bump maps but I'm not 100% sure. ignoring the bumpmaps in the remix gui with the "fix function" mode or with CR's shader build works

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also what remix build are you using? lol

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 4:46 PM

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I'm not using any remix version, just my cam tool

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It's almost pure white

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 4:47 PM

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ahh

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 4:47 PM

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I can send you the shader dump if you can look into it

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 4:48 PM

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yeah I can take look when I get the chance

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 4:48 PM

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The game also doesn't need any fake cam of any sorts, it already sends Set transform calls on its own. The likely problem is shader incompatibility which can be modified 👀

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 4:49 PM

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what the lol

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you aren't use useff are you?

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 4:50 PM

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I'm on Halo combat evolved so that's the OG pc port...might differ from the custom edition 🫣

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 4:52 PM

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I've been using OG PC too for the longest time

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-# the thread name is technically wrong lol but I haven't felt the need to change it

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but you're sure you aren't using any launch arguement or anything?

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:00 PM

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olive spindle but you're sure you aren't using any launch arguement or anything?

Nothing, just straight up messing with the shaders

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Even found the warthhog lights for which you can change it's size and position

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Haven't figured out the colour though

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:02 PM

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interesting

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wonder why remix isn't picking up on the set transform calls

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:06 PM

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i can detect the set transform calls and round trip them back into through the proxy

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(fucking fraps sending .bmp image, sorry)

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this is what im talking about

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:11 PM

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probably just means that stuff is drawn with shaders, no?

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:12 PM

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its all rendered with shaders btw

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but vs1.1

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:12 PM

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yep

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I'll have to poke around later

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that round trip function is new, right?

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:14 PM

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yep

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:15 PM

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Halo needs a special remix build to not crash on launch so I'll need to check if actions still has it lol

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do you have a way of injecting modified shaders?

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:18 PM

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olive spindle do you have a way of injecting modified shaders?

yes

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the shader tab lets you edit asm live

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📎 37E9B553.asm.txt 📎 37E9B553.bytecode.bin

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:20 PM

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nice
SM 1.1 is asm only

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:21 PM

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    dcl_position v0
    dcl_normal v1
    dcl_binormal v2
    dcl_tangent v3
    dcl_texcoord v4
    dp4 oPos.x, v0, c0
    dp4 oPos.y, v0, c1
    dp4 oPos.z, v0, c2
    dp4 oPos.w, v0, c3
    dp4 r10.x, v4, c11
    dp4 r10.y, v4, c12
    mov oT0.xy, r10
    mul oT1.xy, r10, c10.xyyy
    mul oT2.xy, r10, c10.zwww
    mul oT3.x, r10, c11.z
    mul oT3.y, r10, c12.z

// approximately 11 instruction slots used```

Disabling this shader causes everything in the world to go blank or white

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except for the viewmodel and other different model transforms

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those are rendered in separate render passes, per object per-draw

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so here im tampering with the asm code live and injecting the modified shader to see the results

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if you're good with shader asm, then you can definitely just do cool shit

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here, i changed dp4 oPos.z, v0, c2 to dp4 oPos.z, v0, c1 which causes the diffuse to go missing, only normal/bump map renders though. (probably because i don't know what im doing lmao 😂)

olive spindle Feb 28, 2026, 5:35 PM

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what I'll probably have to do is cross reference the shaders with MCC CE

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they're DX11 but MCC but it has all the constant buffer sames so it's easier to follow

solar plank Feb 28, 2026, 5:37 PM

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that's a good idea, i can devise a guide for what each shader does (using AI analysis) then it might be easier to edit them per need to get the game properly rendering

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then maybe if you fancy, a FF compat mod

olive spindle Mar 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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solar plank ```vs_1_1 dcl_position v0 dcl_normal v1 dcl_binormal v2 dcl_tang...

think I might know why this happens
remix assumes the base color outputs in the 0 texture slot

olive spindle Mar 4, 2026, 2:49 AM

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solar plank ```vs_1_1 dcl_position v0 dcl_normal v1 dcl_binormal v2 dcl_tang...

so oT0-oT3 are the outputs
try changing what gets oT0

solar plank Mar 4, 2026, 3:25 AM

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I will try today

solar plank Mar 4, 2026, 4:36 AM

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@olive spindle can you explain how I might do that?

olive spindle Mar 4, 2026, 4:43 AM

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as an example I think you can just change mul oT1.xy, r10, c10.xyyy to mul oT0.xy, r10, c10.xyyy and mov oT0.xy, r10 to mov oT1.xy, r10

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shader assembly really isn't that scary

solar plank Mar 4, 2026, 5:25 AM

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Oh okay

solar plank Mar 4, 2026, 6:16 AM

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Ugh, haven't reached home yet but I don't really know if I could confirm results as I'm gonna be doing this without remix

solar plank Mar 5, 2026, 2:07 AM

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@olive spindle changing the textcoord does something such that the different texture maps are switched

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No idea how to explain the effect, best see it yourself

olive spindle Mar 5, 2026, 2:08 AM

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got any screenshots?

solar plank Mar 5, 2026, 2:08 AM

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Yes

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Wait

solar plank Mar 5, 2026, 3:57 AM

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||(unfortunately I'm gonna have to test it after work, was trying to get a screenshot but game was acting up. sorry for the wait)||

solar plank Mar 5, 2026, 1:15 PM

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mov oT0.xy, r10 to mov ot1.xy, r10

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here's with no replacements

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i've changed every other instruction after it to t0 as well, results are different each time

olive spindle Mar 5, 2026, 6:38 PM

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interesting...

olive spindle Mar 5, 2026, 11:48 PM

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forgot that I need to take a look at my remix fork again
juggling so many projects right now lol

solar plank Mar 6, 2026, 2:00 AM

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Everything I've tried either messes with the base texture scale, or the terrain blending texture as you can see in the oT2.xy, r10, c10.zwww to oT0.xy, r10, c10.zwww where I assume it's either a terrain blending texture or light map

olive spindle Mar 7, 2026, 8:19 PM

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managed to get it somewhat working with xoxor's compat mod template

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only works while looking a certain angles

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the template isn't as overwhelming as it looks

solar plank Mar 7, 2026, 11:41 PM

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How are you trying to make it work?

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:19 AM

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just handing the the view and projection matrices to remix via settransform

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the the "only works while looking at certain angles" is probably because I used copilot

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wanted to get a feel how everything works in the template

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starting from scratch and redoing it and using what copilot did as a reference for the project structure

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:27 AM

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You have to send view and projection settransform calls per frame but for the world matrix it has to be per drawcall

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:27 AM

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interesting

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good to know

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:32 AM

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solar plank You have to send view and projection settransform calls per frame but for the wo...

have any example code for that?

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:35 AM

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Unfortunately no I do not, this is what xoxor4d told in the Metal Gear Rising thread when we were trying to understand how to make a ffp mod for it.

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:35 AM

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ahh

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I'll have to dig through his code lol

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:40 AM

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It makes sense since most of the shaders handle different parts of the meshes drawn on screen, there's one for the trees, view model, map etc etc. View and projection are set once per frame but world matrix (I think) has to be cached per object and sent right before the final draw to remix.

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What's really bothering me is that it already kind of works with remix. Because all of those SetTransfrom calls already exists

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:43 AM

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I know the feeling...
this game has always been super close to being workable lol

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:44 AM

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The shaders have to be converted into standard FFP code if you're going to use the comp base, it'll work great. I think most of the vertex shaders are vs1.1 which is possible to be emulated by ffp

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:47 AM

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true
for right now though I'm focusing on the camera matrices
game works shockingly well with CR's fake camera matrices build so I figure the will be in a much better spot with the real ones

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like this is with CR's build
https://youtu.be/wcpRhJ9tm9M

YouTube

NamelessAlias 000

Halo rtx 2

▶ Play video

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:49 AM

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Do note that even if the game renders by forwarding the matrices on your own, it's still using vertex shaders for its rendering. Remix intercepts them and you'll get a working game but mesh replacements would be impossible, they won't work

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:50 AM

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yep unfornately

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:50 AM

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olive spindle like this is with CR's build https://youtu.be/wcpRhJ9tm9M

Fallback light following the camera sad_cat

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:50 AM

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lol

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still probably the most stable I've seen a game with just the fake matrices

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 12:52 AM

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Even happens with the real deal

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Can't figure this one out

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 12:52 AM

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interesting

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actually one of the videos I have doesn't have the light following the camera
https://youtu.be/vhZAyXHVhhA

YouTube

NamelessAlias 000

halo rtx

▶ Play video

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no sure how I did that

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 1:09 AM

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Now this looks better

olive spindle Mar 8, 2026, 1:10 AM

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I'll have to figure out how I did that lol
I know I was using CR's build because the fp hands wouldn't be stable in the "fixed function mode"

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wonder if it would be possible to force the game to use the fixed function stuff for some things but not others

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because in that mode the bsp is fixed function I think

solar plank Mar 8, 2026, 1:16 AM

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#1423397781414084648 message

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Guess this might help

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Also some other information in the chat, really useful

hot plaza Mar 9, 2026, 9:20 AM

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I'm super stoked, we're right on track for a 2038 release 😎

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fp_pistol

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(all jokes aside, I love seeing any and all progress)

proud fox Mar 13, 2026, 6:06 PM

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WIP
Lost a lot of work on it as it did not save 🙁

proud fox Mar 13, 2026, 6:32 PM

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solar plank Mar 13, 2026, 11:41 PM

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Amazing redesign

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:25 AM

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https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-dxvk-remix/actions/runs/23076216831

GitHub

Disable swap chain map mutex operations · TheGreatHMMMM/halo-dxvk-...

Contribute to TheGreatHMMMM/halo-dxvk-remix development by creating an account on GitHub.

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actions build of remix that doesn't crash on startup with Halo CE

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:31 AM

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yay

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✨

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:33 AM

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need to figure out why the camera matrices aren't being handed off properly

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then I can mess around with vibe toolset

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:34 AM

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for the really cursed games, patching out the weird behavior from the original exe might be the best approach

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and the vibe toolset can def do that

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:36 AM

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yep

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 3:55 AM

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so I've been passing the camera matrices correctly but I'm not getting them correctly?

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something like that

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fake camera matrices work though

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 4:05 AM

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Wdym

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 4:09 AM

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my code is borked somewhere :p

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:13 AM

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We're in

shy bronze Mar 14, 2026, 5:14 AM

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Is it working now?

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:14 AM

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I was able to pass the actual camera matrices to remix

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need to see how stable everything is

shy bronze Mar 14, 2026, 5:15 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

Tenor

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 5:16 AM

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olive spindle I was able to pass the actual camera matrices to remix

You figured out how to pass per draw world transforms properly?

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:16 AM

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I haven't messed with the fixed function stuff at all

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just did settransform

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 5:17 AM

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ah

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maybe do static analysis from PIX graphics debugger to see how a single frame is constructed

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it involves a lot of shaders

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:19 AM

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probably going to end up using the vibe reverse engineering toolset

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there's a ton of reverse engineered stuff for halo out there so I figure it would probably work well

shy bronze Mar 14, 2026, 5:20 AM

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That would be sick

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 5:20 AM

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It would be nice if you could link the reverse engineered sources with the vibe reversing toolset

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That way it would have even more clarity instead of blindly diagnosing everything

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:22 AM

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Kim was able to point it so REed barnyard stuff

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:27 AM

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olive spindle need to see how stable everything is

most stable I've seen it but that's not saying much :p

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:52 AM

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seems to work with chimera pretty well also

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 6:58 AM

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Chat did he cook? lesGO

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 10:05 AM

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so I managed to mostly disable the culling

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still working on the scenery object and biped

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 10:08 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/bell-ring-flex-baywatch-the-rock-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-gif-13186587

Tenor

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 12:18 PM

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do you have a showcase footage of it working? if its in good state yet

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 12:23 PM

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I do not

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 12:24 PM

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it does look like its working in the above screenshot so that's something 👀

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 12:25 PM

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wanna see if I can get fixed function working

hot plaza Mar 14, 2026, 1:00 PM

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Wow that's damn nice

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:40 PM

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@solar plank https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat/tree/master

GitHub

GitHub - TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat: RTX Remix compatibility mod...

RTX Remix compatibility mod for the 2003 PC release of Halo CE - TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat

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have fun (:

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:41 PM

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olive spindle https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-dxvk-remix/actions/runs/23076216831

you need this actions build

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the compat mod isn't anywhere near being finished but I thought I should post it

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everything is still rendered shaders and scenery objects and bipeds are still culled

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:47 PM

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olive spindle <@759994782528307220> https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat/tree/mast...

@kind pollen ~~be curious to see how it looks with some lights placed~~

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 1:48 PM

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If everything is rendered using shaders then light/mesh replacement will not work

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:49 PM

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even lights?

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:49 PM

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yes

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:49 PM

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damn it

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:49 PM

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i have coined it the barnyard problem 😭 /hj

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only emissives will work

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 1:49 PM

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Unfortunately all shaders related to rendering have to be converted to FF like with mgrr

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:50 PM

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I have no doubt it's doable tbh

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:53 PM

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i'll be updating my proxy template and stuff with all of the new features from MGRR (including actual skeletons). maybe it'd be worth doing the proxy atp

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:55 PM

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I modfied xoxor's template to use a proxy dll

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:55 PM

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hm

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is this combat evolved or custom edition? just to be sure

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and what patch

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 1:56 PM

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combat evolved and latest patch

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I found the ffp template seemed very fixated on trying to get the camera matrices from shader constants eventhough I already have them for whatever reason
unless you alway have to go through the shader constants

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 1:59 PM

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it does need to find some stuff for other things afaik

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:02 PM

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wonder if I can get it to use the existing fixed function mode but only on the bsp...

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that would be something at least

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:10 PM

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one of the things my proxy does is dump a log of constants and matrices for claude to look at. it helps with a lot of things. the main workflow is designed around it and reading the logs

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could just use the proxy for that task tbh and use it to build out the original fixed function mode

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:11 PM

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could

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:12 PM

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if i work on it at all, what would you want me to do

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 2:13 PM

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If there's a way to have what you did for mgrr (that is shader pipeline --> FF Pipeline) then it would benefit other shader games as well

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:14 PM

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broken belfry if i work on it at all, what would you want me to do

see if you can get the scenery objects / bipeds not to cull and see if you can get it to run under fixed function would be great

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:14 PM

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would you prefer i try to fix the game's original fixed function mode?

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instead of a proxy

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:15 PM

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solar plank If there's a way to have what you did for mgrr (that is shader pipeline --> FF P...

the proxy does have the benefit now of having a good baseline for skeletons and stuff too

but obv a normal fixed function mode would have that already

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:15 PM

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I mean you can try the original fixed function but all the scenery objects / bipeds are rendered via software

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I think

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:16 PM

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then tbh i think making a proxy is the best bet

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:16 PM

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yep

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:17 PM

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i'll prob start from scratch based on my code, then integrate the changes you made in yours after mine is stable

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you said you have the matrices already?

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:17 PM

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yeah

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https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat/blob/master/src/comp/game/game.cpp

GitHub

halo-rtx-compat/src/comp/game/game.cpp at master · TheGreatHMMMM/h...

RTX Remix compatibility mod for the 2003 PC release of Halo CE - TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:17 PM

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very nice

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:18 PM

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https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat/blob/master/src/comp/game/structs.hpp

GitHub

halo-rtx-compat/src/comp/game/structs.hpp at master · TheGreatHMMM...

RTX Remix compatibility mod for the 2003 PC release of Halo CE - TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat

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I got permission to use whatever I wanted from the Halo CE VR mod :p

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 2:18 PM

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neat

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 2:51 PM

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olive spindle wonder if I can get it to use the existing fixed function mode but only on the b...

claude wasn't able to do it

kind pollen Mar 14, 2026, 3:36 PM

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Amazing!

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 5:30 PM

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no luck

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sorry 🙁

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:32 PM

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damn

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game is cursed

broken belfry Mar 14, 2026, 5:34 PM

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very

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have to save the rest of my credits to work on a game of my choosing. probably burnout paradise

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I hope you can get it working

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:35 PM

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pumbo has a luma mod for burnout paradise

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might be good to take a look at that

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:36 PM

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olive spindle game is cursed

honestly starting to think that all the halo pc ports are cursed lol

woeful condor Mar 14, 2026, 5:55 PM

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olive spindle pumbo has a luma mod for burnout paradise

when remix

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steamhappy

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 5:55 PM

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no idea

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have a cursed idea
going to have copilot look at the signatures for chimera and the vr mod before running any scripts

proud fox Mar 14, 2026, 6:13 PM

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olive spindle seems to work with chimera pretty well also

Chimera did what? What did I do? 😅🙃

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Just kidding

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I know this was something else I just wanted to make a funny considering my system is called chimera

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 6:18 PM

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Who's chimera and why isn't Halo Path traced already

proud fox Mar 14, 2026, 6:20 PM

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Hurry up @proud fox this is unacceptable

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Lil a bit of self deprecation jokes

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Hurr hurr

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shy bronze Mar 14, 2026, 6:22 PM

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olive spindle . have a cursed idea going to have copilot look at the signatures for chimera an...

Have you fed any of the ai models info on blam as a source?

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:24 PM

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kinda

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didn't work super well

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currently retooling kim's template in hopes it would use chimera and the vr mod as proper sources

shy bronze Mar 14, 2026, 6:27 PM

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You might need to teach it yourself with info you learned to build on it.

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:27 PM

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yeah...

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the idea right now is to get something that half way works via vibe coding and then redo it more or less

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that's what I did with the compat mod I posted above

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 6:29 PM

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I think the approach here has to be taken simple, and likely be rebuilt without the xoxor base comp mod as it might be complicating things

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Let the vibe reverse engineering toolset figure it out on its own

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It has proven quite effective after testing in under a single day

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:30 PM

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I'm using kim's proxy template right now :p

solar plank Mar 14, 2026, 6:30 PM

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And this is with the paid copilot extension for VScode?

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Because atm we don't even need their 4.6 opus model, it has been optimized to run better with less token using with just sonnet

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I just cannot think of any other way why it isn't working for you yet

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:32 PM

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yep

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game is cursed 🤷‍♂️

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 6:49 PM

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it's doing a whole lot better with looking at chimera and the vr mod ahead of time
it actually caught that the game uses SetTransform and SetVertexShaderConstant this time lol

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okay finally go something rendered via fixed function lol

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granted it's just the hud but still lol

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 8:30 PM

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ah...

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rip think the meshes are in pre transformed to worldspace.......................................................

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@jolly willow would you be interesting in taking a crack at Halo CE?

olive spindle Mar 14, 2026, 9:46 PM

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hmmmm vibed says it only uses pre transformed vertices for the ui

broken belfry Mar 15, 2026, 7:54 AM

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solar plank I just cannot think of any other way why it isn't working for you yet

the way the game renders is incredibly cursed

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none of the logs that my proxy code dumps are actually useful, which is the first time that's ever happened. and the entire workflow for my proxy is based on that log (there are alternative solutions but not as effective) so it gets stuck and goes in circles

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part of what i'm working on rn is optimizing the prompt so that it properly utilizes other tools if this happens

solar plank Mar 15, 2026, 7:55 AM

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(curse you gearbox)

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 2:51 PM

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honestly I think a lot of it is on bungie too lol

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 3:09 PM

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everytime people have tried to port the bungie halos to pc they've been cursed in some way

woeful condor Mar 15, 2026, 3:13 PM

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what about targeting the xbox version? trol

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 3:15 PM

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the xbox emulator that kinda works with remix doesn't work with halo

woeful condor Mar 15, 2026, 3:15 PM

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ah

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 7:07 PM

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okay I believe I found the game's actual per object world matrix

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c29[a0.x]
c30[a0.x]
c31[a0.x]

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it's this I believe

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    vs_1_1
      0x00000004:     dcl_position v0
      0x00000010:     dcl_normal v1
      0x0000001C:     dcl_binormal v2
      0x00000028:     dcl_tangent v3
      0x00000034:     dcl_texcoord v4
      0x00000040:     dcl_blendindices v5
      0x0000004C:     dcl_blendweight v6
   0  0x00000058:     mul r0.xy, v5, c9.w
   1  0x00000068:     add r0.xy, r0, c5.w
   2  0x00000078:     mov a0.x, r0.x
   3  0x00000084:     mul r4, v6.x, c29[a0.x]
   4  0x00000094:     mul r5, v6.x, c30[a0.x]
   5  0x000000A4:     mul r6, v6.x, c31[a0.x]
   6  0x000000B4:     mov a0.x, r0.y
   7  0x000000C0:     mad r4, v6.y, c29[a0.x], r4
   8  0x000000D4:     mad r5, v6.y, c30[a0.x], r5
   9  0x000000E8:     mad r6, v6.y, c31[a0.x], r6
  10  0x000000FC:     dp4 r0.x, v0, r4
  11  0x0000010C:     dp4 r0.y, v0, r5
  12  0x0000011C:     dp4 r0.z, v0, r6
  13  0x0000012C:     mov r0.w, v4.w
  14  0x00000138:     dp3 r1.x, v1, r4
  15  0x00000148:     dp3 r1.y, v1, r5
  16  0x00000158:     dp3 r1.z, v1, r6
  17  0x00000168:     mul r1.xyz, r1, c10.w
  18  0x00000178:     add r5.xyz, -r0, c4
  19  0x00000188:     dp3 r6.x, r5, r1
  20  0x00000198:     mul r6.xyz, r6.x, r1
  21  0x000001A8:     mad r6.xyz, r6.xyzz, c4.w, -r5
  22  0x000001BC:     dp3 r8.x, r1, -c21
  23  0x000001CC:     mul r11.w, -r8.x, c12.z
  24  0x000001DC:     max r8.x, r8.x, r11.w
  25  0x000001EC:     dp3 r8.y, r1, -c23
  26  0x000001FC:     max r8.xy, r8, v4.z
  27  0x0000020C:     mov r7.xyz, c25
  28  0x00000218:     mad r7.xyz, r8.x, c22, r7
  29  0x0000022C:     mad oD0.xyz, r8.y, c24, r7
  30  0x00000240:     dp4 oPos.x, r0, c0

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  31  0x00000250:     dp4 oPos.y, r0, c1
  32  0x00000260:     dp4 oPos.z, r0, c2
  33  0x00000270:     dp4 oPos.w, r0, c3
  34  0x00000280:     mov oD0.w, v4.z
  35  0x0000028C:     dp4 r10.x, v4, c11
  36  0x0000029C:     dp4 r10.y, v4, c12
  37  0x000002AC:     mov oT0.xy, r10
  38  0x000002B8:     mul oT1.xy, r10, c10.xyyy
  39  0x000002C8:     mov oT2.xy, r10
  40  0x000002D4:     mov oT3.xyz, r6
  41  0x000002E0:     dp3 r5.w, r5, r5
  42  0x000002F0:     rsq r5.w, r5.w
  43  0x000002FC:     mul r5, r5, r5.w
  44  0x0000030C:     dp3 r5, r5, r1
  45  0x0000031C:     mul r7, r5, c13
  46  0x0000032C:     add oD1, r7, c14
  47  0x0000033C:     dp3 r8.z, r0, c6
  48  0x0000034C:     add r8.z, r8.z, c6.w
  49  0x0000035C:     add oFog, v4.w, -r8.z

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praise the renodx devkit

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and it looks like the bsp uses c0 - c3

      0x00000004:     dcl_position v0
      0x00000010:     dcl_normal v1
      0x0000001C:     dcl_binormal v2
      0x00000028:     dcl_tangent v3
      0x00000034:     dcl_texcoord v4
      0x00000040:     dcl_normal1 v7
      0x0000004C:     dcl_texcoord1 v8
   0  0x00000058:     mov r10, v7
   1  0x00000064:     dp3 r7.x, r10, v3
   2  0x00000074:     dp3 r7.y, r10, v2
   3  0x00000084:     dp3 r7.z, r10, v1
   4  0x00000094:     dp3 r7.w, r10, r10
   5  0x000000A4:     dp4 oPos.x, v0, c0
   6  0x000000B4:     dp4 oPos.y, v0, c1
   7  0x000000C4:     dp4 oPos.z, v0, c2
   8  0x000000D4:     dp4 oPos.w, v0, c3
   9  0x000000E4:     mov oD0.w, r7.w
  10  0x000000F0:     dp4 r10.x, v4, c11
  11  0x00000100:     dp4 r10.y, v4, c12
  12  0x00000110:     mul oT0.xy, r10, c10.xyyy
  13  0x00000120:     mul oT1.xy, r10, c10.z
  14  0x00000130:     mov oT2.xy, v8
  15  0x0000013C:     rsq r7.w, r7.w
  16  0x00000148:     mul oT3.xyz, r7.w, r7
  17  0x00000158:     mov r7.xyz, c16
  18  0x00000164:     dp3 r7.w, v1, c13
  19  0x00000174:     mul r7.w, r7.w, c13.w
  20  0x00000184:     max r7.w, r7.w, v4.z
  21  0x00000194:     mad r7.xyz, r7.w, c15, r7
  22  0x000001A8:     dp3 r7.w, v1, c14
  23  0x000001B8:     mul r7.w, r7.w, c14.w
  24  0x000001C8:     max r7.w, r7.w, v4.z
  25  0x000001D8:     mad oD0.xyz, r7.w, c15, r7

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assume that's the world matrix I've been already using...

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:04 PM

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c0 - c3 might actually be a view projection matrix

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:06 PM

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olive spindle everytime people have tried to port the bungie halos to pc they've been cursed i...

The Blam engine was originally created for PC, so it's weird that it would have gotten that screwy when they pivoted to Xbox in the final year of development

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The E3 2000 era build runs natively on modern PCs

broken belfry Mar 15, 2026, 8:08 PM

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well

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isn't the PC port made from the final xbox version?

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:08 PM

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broken belfry isn't the PC port made from the final xbox version?

Well yeah of course

broken belfry Mar 15, 2026, 8:08 PM

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then gearbox did gearbox things to it

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:08 PM

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Thanks Randy

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randy

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:09 PM

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think bungie just had a very "bungie way" of developing their games so whenever people outside of bungie would touch the games chaos would ensue lol

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like blam! uses lisp for scripting

broken belfry Mar 15, 2026, 8:12 PM

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😔

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doesn't explain what gearbox did with anything else they touched 😭

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:12 PM

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and in 2000 they were apparently targeting Glide of all APIs

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:14 PM

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broken belfry doesn't explain what gearbox did with anything else they touched 😭

Some of the stuff they did was (allegedly) to make it more compatible with older graphics hardware, but other things like using pre-release assets just make zero sense, unless it was Bungie that screwed up when providing them

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:15 PM

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managed to get atleast something rendering via fixed function besides the hud

hot plaza Mar 15, 2026, 8:15 PM

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ayyyyyy

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:17 PM

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isn't she beautiful?

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working off the assumption that having all this disabled means it's fixed function

broken belfry Mar 15, 2026, 8:19 PM

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yup

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congrats!

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:19 PM

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hype

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I think it's borked because the other camera matrices are messed up lol

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gonna rewrite the proxy by hand

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even got the tree imposters lol

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if I disable the noise texture I can see a bit of the bsp too

woeful condor Mar 15, 2026, 8:33 PM

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📸

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 8:57 PM

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@woeful condor 👉 👈 would you be able to update the pbr sky stuff to the latest remix? I tried to cherry pick it into my build for halo and ran into merge conflicts

woeful condor Mar 15, 2026, 9:00 PM

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once i get the cloud stuff done I can, but it might be a bit until that happens, dealing with some irl stuff atm.

olive spindle Mar 15, 2026, 9:02 PM

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okay no worries

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I can probably handle the merge conflicts myself
-# was just being lazy

olive spindle Mar 16, 2026, 2:50 AM

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fixed function go brrr

hot plaza Mar 16, 2026, 5:20 AM

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Well most of the BSP is rendering, so that's a start

solar plank Mar 16, 2026, 5:22 AM

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Now just make all skinned meshes FF compatible so we can work on the models pepeBlush

olive spindle Mar 16, 2026, 5:26 AM

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I'm hoping claude will magically fix it if I give it the gxbmodel modder doc and the gbxmodel vertex shader

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but thats for tomorrow

broken belfry Mar 16, 2026, 10:24 AM

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olive spindle fixed function go brrr

amazing work dude

broken belfry Mar 16, 2026, 10:24 AM

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olive spindle I'm hoping claude will magically fix it if I give it the gxbmodel modder doc and...

should be able to

proud fox Mar 16, 2026, 11:21 AM

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IMma do a paint over of the ma5b as well so I get a good idea how I am going to approach the textures

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 3:51 AM

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solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 3:52 AM

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So good bro

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What's currently missing or needs to be fixed

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 3:55 AM

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the vertices are kinda messed up on the skinned meshes

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a tiny bit

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and the hud / ui doesn't work

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and the bsp disappears at certain angles

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also proper culling patches

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 6:17 AM

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we have entered the end game bois

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(the hud is still rendered via shaders but everything else is fixed function)

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:23 AM

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and to think people thought this game wouldn't be possible

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:27 AM

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We all constantly tried and it got us here

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:28 AM

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this game is going to look so good

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planning on gutting remix's tonemapping

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maybe a few other under the hood changes

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:29 AM

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Is there a way to test your current implementation without remix?

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:29 AM

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wdym?

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:30 AM

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Test ffp but no remix

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:30 AM

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maybe
why?

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:32 AM

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I don't have access to test with remix but would want to see the code and test after compiling it on my end. Sorry if this sounds like an odd request

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:33 AM

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I can drop the proxy code here in an archive real quick

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beware the code isn't very readable because it's slopped together

📎 proxy.rar

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:36 AM

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Thank you. I have no intention other than to test it out in its current stage

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:38 AM

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once I smooth out the vertex stretching issues my plan is to fold the code back into xoxor's template

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should make it easier to maintain everything I think

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:52 AM

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have to say it does disable all shaders except for the UI, but i can't see any geometry

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but that's expected

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i thought maybe i could see the game rendering in ffp

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😓

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:56 AM

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it was working for me without remix

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 7:57 AM

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i used the precompiled d3d9.dll and the ini file for now

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 7:58 AM

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are you using patch 1.0.10?

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 8:00 AM

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nope

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lemme try that

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 9:10 AM

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@olive spindle it's working 👀

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 9:12 AM

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nice

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 9:19 AM

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The only borked thing are the skinned meshes and the bsp missing parts of the game level

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 12:23 PM

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olive spindle

how much manual work did this require? and what was the general workflow to get it to this point?

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 12:55 PM

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not a ton of manual work actually

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mostly me just being smarter with prompting

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vibe did a lot better once I gave it shaders I ripped from the game using the renodx devkit

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and making sure to tell vibe what the shaders actually do

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also telling vibe to look over chimera and the vr mod before doing it's own reverse engineering helped a lot too

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 12:58 PM

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I think have exact details pointed out still messes things up, regardless if you even wrote the exact solution

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 12:58 PM

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olive spindle vibe did a lot better once I gave it shaders I ripped from the game using the re...

yus that helps it a LOT. i had a shader dumping script made for MGRR that helped too

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 12:59 PM

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Helps that CE's shaders are only like 20 lines long lol

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pretty easy to follow

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also gave it some docs from this sometimes
https://c20.reclaimers.net/

The Reclaimers Library

"This installation's research facilities are most impressive! Perhaps we'll have time to see them la...

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claude seems to work better when you give it more info to work off of

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:01 PM

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yus

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i've tried my best to explain how to approach doing this, but there are so many factors that it's really hard to convey properly

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:02 PM

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just have claude refine your prompt before you give it a task :p

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:03 PM

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easiest solution imo is to put it into plan mode and explicitly tell it to ask any questions for things it doesn't know

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i have never had it fail after doing that

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:03 PM

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smart

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haven't really used llms for any serious work before
kinda crazy how much it's able to extend my abilities lol

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:06 PM

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solar plank I think have exact details pointed out still messes things up, regardless if you...

yeah sometimes you really have to baby sit it
for an example it really wanted to use constant registers for the camera matrices eventhough I have the offset to those lol

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:08 PM

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yus

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for issues like that, it's also worth looking at the prompt files we made for it and editing them

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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olive spindle yeah sometimes you really have to baby sit it for an example it really wanted to...

I'd say let it do it's thing

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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to a degree that's good, but other times it does ignore actually useful info

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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broken belfry for issues like that, it's also worth looking at the prompt files we made for it...

A prompting documentation in this server somewhere would benefit. With live examples

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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broken belfry for issues like that, it's also worth looking at the prompt files we made for it...

yeah that's what I ended up doing

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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Perhaps you can set one up when you do Wolfenstein?

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:09 PM

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😖

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if i have time and energy

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it changes a lot per game

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like i just... kinda know what to do because i've been using LLMs for so long? it's REALLY hard to explain the logic behind it

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:11 PM

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So it's a chance based. any successful prompting just sort of happens?

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:11 PM

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nono it's not chance based at all

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:11 PM

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Kind of at the mercy of AI if you ask me 😅

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:11 PM

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there's a lot of logic behind it

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:12 PM

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It's kinda like getting a younger sibling to do something they don't want to do

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:12 PM

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i'll give an example

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for burnout paradise, it kept wanting to follow the system prompt (e-man's) instead of my prompt. i ended up creating a prompt structure with required information specifically for that game. something like:

```we are making a wrapper for burnout paradise. the game is in the workspace, do not look for it elsewhere. if you need to perform static analysis, look at burnoutparadise_dump.exe. if you have any questions, ask them instead of assuming

refer to the knowledge base for information on addresses and previously discovered information through RE```

ifi didn't do this, it would look for the wrong burnout paradise folder. it would use the original exe instead of the dump (which was obfuscated). it would assume various things about the game and remix instead of asking. and it would try to RE things that had already been done

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in later prompts i would suggest specific tools or workflows to get more information, like dumping shaders to RE them. or doing live analysis (you need to use REALLY good prompting + timing to make this work unfortunately)

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the ideal way to perform live analysis IME is to launch the game, get it in-game. then give claude the PID and tell it to hook. then switch back to the game and just play for a bit while it does w/e it needs to

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:16 PM

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I'm really sad that burnout paradise was not possible to get RE'ed with this AI tool

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:17 PM

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yeah 🙁

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:17 PM

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olive spindle It's kinda like getting a younger sibling to do something they don't want to do

relatable lol

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:17 PM

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It's the same logic
at least it is for me :p

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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I can't relate

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only child

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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also it is fine that the hud is being rendered via shaders, right?

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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yus

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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olive spindle also it is fine that the hud is being rendered via shaders, right?

totally

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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doesn't matter at all

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it's what we did for MGRR

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:18 PM

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sick

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:19 PM

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hud is just a UI element, remix itself ignores and it passes the raster layer over

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 1:19 PM

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just need to clean up the culling and figure out why the skinned meshes are borked

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 1:19 PM

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broken belfry it's what we did for MGRR

I assume mgrr has world space hud, how was this managed

broken belfry Mar 17, 2026, 1:20 PM

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well

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hours of suffering

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in the end what needed to be done was the workflow i outlined before

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tell claude to set the proxy logging timeout to 60 seconds. get in-game, make sure the hud was visible, then tell it to debug the UI based on the log

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i'm sure this could be done with live analysis to some extent, it's just SO difficult to make that work that i rarely use it

jolly willow Mar 17, 2026, 2:47 PM

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olive spindle <@123071267057172480> would you be interesting in taking a crack at Halo CE?

It would be wildly more entertaining and fun than the things I am currently engaging with but alas I feel totally screwed with the current workload bestowed upon me irl, for the next month atleast. If I can walk out of this with my sanity intact you bet I will revert back to these things.

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 6:00 PM

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skinned meshes have been fixed

solar plank Mar 17, 2026, 6:04 PM

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We're so close

olive spindle Mar 17, 2026, 6:05 PM

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just need to properly patch out the culling and the largest issues are solved

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 3:33 AM

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This is so damn hype

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 3:45 AM

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the culling is kicking my butt lol

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 4:10 AM

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Ask the ai if there is a more efficient method maybe?

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 4:11 AM

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what seems to be the current issue rn

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 4:12 AM

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there's multiple parts to the whole culling system
when I get one part disabled another acts up

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 4:13 AM

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is there any documentation on this culling system?

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it would probably help instead of the AI guessing

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 4:15 AM

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there is some but it's not super specific

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chimera has some signatures to some bsp and visibility stuff

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think I'm going to have to give claude a very detailed readme

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 4:19 AM

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just give it a snippet, full detail might backfire

broken belfry Mar 18, 2026, 4:21 AM

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olive spindle there's multiple parts to the whole culling system when I get one part disabled ...

gta 3 had like 4 layers. not surprising to hear that another game does that shit

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 4:21 AM

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ofc it's this game HUH

broken belfry Mar 18, 2026, 4:21 AM

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easily one of the most cursed games i've ever messed with

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 4:21 AM

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bungie is responsbile for this

broken belfry Mar 18, 2026, 4:22 AM

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whenever i hear bungie i think of wedgie

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idk why

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but ig it fits

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 4:22 AM

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https://c20.reclaimers.net/h1/guides/levels/portals-and-clusters/

The Reclaimers Library

Portals and clusters

The concepts of portals (not to be confused with teleporters) and clusters are a frequent source of ...

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the game has frustum culling for the bsp, a seperate frustum culling pass for the skinned meshes, portals, and clusters

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 4:26 AM

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hmm

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one page up there is this bsp cheat sheet

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 5:01 AM

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is Haloscript usable in Combat evolved?

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 5:30 AM

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i think you can use it in custom edition but don't quote me on that

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 5:31 AM

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There are certain commands which goes in favour of what you're trying to achieve

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Like

To force the game to render all clusters and subclusters in the PVS, enable structures_use_pvs_for_vs.

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okay so, we have this from here https://www.ign.com/wikis/halo-combat-evolved/PC_Cheats

Open the properties window of the Halo shortcut and add “ -console –devmode” after the target. Start the game with the -console -devmode command line parameter. Press ~ during game play to display the console window

IGN

PC Cheats - Halo: Combat Evolved Guide - IGN

This page contains a list of cheats, codes, Easter eggs, tips, and other secrets for Halo: Combat Evolved for PC. If you've discovered a cheat you'd

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:04 AM

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doesn't work in the console

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bet I could patch it to alway be on though

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:06 AM

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can you ask AI if the scripts from that link exist in the game?

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probably stored as a string or dword

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:07 AM

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it is in the executable

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just checked with a hexeditor

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wonder if just forcing (debug_no_frustum_clip [boolean]) and (structures_use_pvs_for_vs) would do the trick lol

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:16 AM

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Requested function "debug_no_frustum_clip" cannot be executed now

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can you trace back where this check comes from

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Using AI live analysis

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We can search the call stack and find where it's setting this up

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and where the check is for disabling certain commands, then reenabling them

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:18 AM

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I've actually force enabled DebugNoFrustumClip before

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:18 AM

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how can you force enable it

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:19 AM

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shared::utils::hook::set<uint8_t>(0x00710321, 0x01);
shared::common::log("Game", "NoCull: DebugNoFrustumClip applied",
  shared::common::LOG_TYPE::LOG_TYPE_GREEN, true);

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from the compat mod I uploaded to github

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:20 AM

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There has to be a way to just enable the commands in game

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 6:41 AM

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Like a debug mode? Should be possible this is custom edition.

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:43 AM

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No I think we're working on combat evolved

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 6:48 AM

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I mean this remix project is stated to be custom edition

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:49 AM

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shy bronze I mean this remix project is stated to be custom edition

#1097963421619720392 message

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 6:51 AM

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Oh bet thanks

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:51 AM

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ideally it should work with both I believe

shy bronze Mar 18, 2026, 6:53 AM

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olive spindle ideally it should work with both I believe

Custom might be better for you to focus ai work on because it is a much meatier version of CE from what I hear. But I am no expert.

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 6:55 AM

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I assume it would translate easily

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Unless the proxy is using hard coded offsets

olive spindle Mar 18, 2026, 6:57 AM

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yeah it's hardcoded right now

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will switch over to proper signatures when stuff is working

solar plank Mar 18, 2026, 7:00 AM

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sigs and byte search is pretty much the best solution here

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bruh this game already has ratrace mode /s

Screenshot_2026-03-18-12-09-16-872_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

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So many commands are just not usable or locked

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hmm. No use getting it to work. Since these might be locked due to us being on a retail build

hot plaza Mar 18, 2026, 5:59 PM

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solar plank bruh this game already has ratrace mode /s

Lmao

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 12:48 AM

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Anything new today?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 2:30 AM

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I haven't touched it today

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about to start working on it

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don't wanna burn myself out

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 2:33 AM

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Aye it’s all good, if you hit a brick wall don’t be a stranger. Ask us stuff if you have trouble with the ai.

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 2:35 AM

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If I can't break the culling in the next few day I'll post what I have on github so things won't get deadlocked

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disabled the frustum culling on the bsp and got it to render all the clusters but the ground geometry only renders for the current cluster the player is in

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need to fix that somehow and remove the frustum culling on the skinned meshes

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 3:26 AM

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I say use a different ai if you get deadlocked, that might code you out of the corner.

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 4:00 AM

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okay figured out the bsp culling

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apparently I was running into surface / visibility limits

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and chimera extends the limits

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so using the same patches chimera does fixes it

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still need to fix the skinned mesh frustum cull

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and culling on the skinned meshes has been nuked from orbit

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 4:14 AM

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yay!

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 4:14 AM

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How

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Are you able to solve it so quickly

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 4:15 AM

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no idea

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claude is just goated ig

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ig I have to learn the toolkit now

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 4:31 AM

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So there's no problem whatsoever now?

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I know converting game lights to D3D equivalent is pretty much useless because of max 8 lights hard limit with directx9

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So there's something else that can be done

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 4:37 AM

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after some more testing I'm still running up against culling issue... HUH

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bulk of it is gone

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just some parts are being pesky

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 4:53 AM

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open source licenses are fun :p

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since Chimera is GPLv3 the compat mod has to be under GPLv3

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not a big deal

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just annoying since the proxy template is MIT

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 5:43 AM

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olive spindle after some more testing I'm still running up against culling issue... <:HUH:1324...

running up against surface limits (:

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 5:57 AM

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Is the culling at least at an acceptable level?

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Like is it still that bad as the original?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 6:09 AM

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so if it goes over the surface limit parts of the bsp won't render (so currently whole zones won't render in front of the player)
if I can't figure out a way to increase the surface limit further I might have to skip forcing the game to render all the clusters

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the game tries to render the two clusters right next to the player I think so it's not a huge deal if I can't force all the clusters to render ig

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:40 AM

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okay I got something kinda working

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but I think someone is going to need to go through an trim down the bsp's poly count

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:42 AM

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olive spindle the game tries to render the two clusters right next to the player I think so it...

can you render atleast 1 cluster per main one you're already inside on all directions?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:43 AM

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for the most part yes I think

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some edge cases though

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:46 AM

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currently, is rendering a full cluster possible or just within the same cluster (sub clusters)

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i assume atleast the blue, yellow and green can be made visible

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as to not tank the performance

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:48 AM

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so it can render everything but to 32767 polygons

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most of the time that seems fine but like on the pillar of autumn it will run up against that limit way faster since it's much denser polygon wise

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:50 AM

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I need to learn how the culling actually happens then, because that means at this max limit. It'll turn off visibility per triangle?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:50 AM

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not per triangle but yeah something along those lines

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:51 AM

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Can't we just bypass the 32767 poly limit, or would we run into 32bit limitations?

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This is kind of hard but hopefully you can think of a solution

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:52 AM

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I tried
everything breaks if I try to do that

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think the solution is to trim the bsp in problematic areas with the mod tools

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:53 AM

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We can edit the map to be low quality? Then use Remix to bring it up to par using high quality PBR and height maps

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:55 AM

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that's the idea yeah

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32,767 polys isn't as limiting as it seems

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all of this renders fine

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 7:59 AM

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this is lowk good enough

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rendering everything could just be too heavy on the CPU

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:59 AM

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yeah

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the pillar of autumn will need some trimming though

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 8:00 AM

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olive spindle the pillar of autumn will need some trimming though

can you show some extreme examples where its problematic?

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maybe the clusters are too big that the near ones just don't render

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 8:02 AM

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just barely over the limit

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and this is at an edge of the cluster

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 8:04 AM

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Ah

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Maybe for this level it does needs a custom modded level

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that or just make the proxy have an exception of this level to have the basic cluster culling system enabled

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Such that it doesn't require additional work on your side

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 8:13 AM

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and I've used up all my copilot trial lol

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 8:19 AM

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olive spindle 32,767 polys isn't as limiting as it seems

really want to see this with CR's sky stuff

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 8:22 AM

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olive spindle and I've used up all my copilot trial lol

😓

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dw bro, i think something can be done to finish the compat mod

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 8:55 AM

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I mean the skinned meshes and the culling is to the point where we can at least start playing around with toolkit stuff I think

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haven't messed with the toolkit at all lol

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 8:57 AM

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do you need any help with it?

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we can set up a few lights around

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and maybe look over at textures for replacements

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 8:58 AM

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sure

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 8:59 AM

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Do you have the toolkit installed? If not get the latest from here https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/toolkit-remix/actions

GitHub

Workflow runs · NVIDIAGameWorks/toolkit-remix

RTX Remix Toolkit. Contribute to NVIDIAGameWorks/toolkit-remix development by creating an account on GitHub.

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 9:00 AM

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holy hell github action downloads are slow lol

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 9:07 AM

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once you create a project for halo, you can then load a capture play around with the settings. This guide can help you around with the different stuff the toolkit offers https://docs.omniverse.nvidia.com/kit/docs/rtx_remix/1.2.4/docs/gettingstarted/learning-toolkitsetup.html

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 5:30 PM

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gochiefgo pointed out that the lightmap material is probably contributing to the poly count which I would've never thought of

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might not need to trim down the bsp after all

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 5:44 PM

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@olive spindle i'm going to be pushing some new changes on my fork of vibe tools, it should fix the issues with skinning (or give claude more leads to fix it in your game, at least). you'll want to pull the changes and ask it to look at the new template & try to diagnose the existing proxy code based on it

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in ~10 mins for the push

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it's based on the FNV code

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 5:50 PM

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thank you

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 5:54 PM

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here's a summary

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it will now default to simpler bone detection in some ways, with options for it to implement more a complex method if the game requires it (instead of defauling to the complex one, which many games don't need)

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and a lot of other improvements

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also going to attempt to write a script that'll help it find find these

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FNV needed a small one byte game patch to fix skinned meshes

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 6:03 PM

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broken belfry here's a summary

At some point we also need to look into expanding compressed vertex data

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It would improve major compatibility issues with other games

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:05 PM

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solar plank At some point we also need to look into expanding compressed vertex data

iirc that is already supported with wolfenstein, though it's really broken

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 6:07 PM

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broken belfry iirc that is already supported with wolfenstein, though it's really broken

I think DS1 will have to be looked at again if that's the case

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:14 PM

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@olive spindle it's ready

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:17 PM

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solar plank At some point we also need to look into expanding compressed vertex data

just to clarify

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that's why it's so difficult to get working properly

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the template code for skinning supports this as well. up until the last change, it was actually the default behavior

solar plank Mar 19, 2026, 6:21 PM

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broken belfry just to clarify

Oh it's for skinning. Hmm, how does it identify if the vertices it's processing is normal or compressed in the first place? And does it only apply for skinned meshes only or anything being rendered

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:22 PM

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solar plank Oh it's for skinning. Hmm, how does it identify if the vertices it's processing ...

the log file for the proxy dumps matrices and a whole bunch of relevant rendering information. it has a 50 second delay, gives you time to get in-game to get relevant information. it reverse engineers the format from there + static analysis

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and skinned meshes only rn, though i'm sure it could be expanded to all rendered objects

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:23 PM

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broken belfry the template code for skinning supports this as well. up until the last change, ...

this behavior caused a lot of the issues with FNV. it was assuming behavior that was complex when it was really quite simple

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i imagine some similar issues have happened with halo

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(sorry to take over your thread like this lmao)

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 6:24 PM

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it's fine lol

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 6:53 PM

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(i did another update that fixes a lot of prompting issues)

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 7:02 PM

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broken belfry i imagine some similar issues have happened with halo

If thats the case the coding could be dumbed down, but how do you prompt claude to do something like that?

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 7:03 PM

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broken belfry (i did another update that fixes a lot of prompting issues)

An update for an update

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 7:03 PM

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there were 3 more updates to that update

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 7:03 PM

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shy bronze If thats the case the coding could be dumbed down, but how do you prompt claude ...

it defaults to the basic system, and includes code for the more advanced system should the game require it

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 7:04 PM

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broken belfry it defaults to the basic system, and includes code for the more advanced system ...

Alright but what about for the code already there that is over engineered?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:04 PM

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shy bronze If thats the case the coding could be dumbed down, but how do you prompt claude ...

I find that claude does way better the more good info you throw at it

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 7:05 PM

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shy bronze Alright but what about for the code already there that is over engineered?

i think there's a misunderstanding

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the code wasn't over engineered, it just wasn't relevant to all games

what i did was implement a simple solution that will work for most older games for skinned meshes, then included the code to handle compressed vertex data for skinned meshes as optional (usually for newer games). it can use it if it needs it, but it will try it without it first

shy bronze Mar 19, 2026, 7:07 PM

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Oh so the code that has already been doesn’t need to be redone to compress the file size?

olive spindle Mar 19, 2026, 7:10 PM

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so we aren't compressing the vertex data ourselves

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some games will compress the vertex which we can't use without decompressing first

broken belfry Mar 19, 2026, 8:46 PM

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@olive spindle btw uh... make sure captures work. FNV is pretty much perfectly functional now but i just realized captures are borked because of unsupported vertex formats

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 4:51 AM

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solar plank Do you have the toolkit installed? If not get the latest from here https://githu...

what does one do after the download the toolkit?

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:08 AM

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olive spindle what does one do after the download the toolkit?

I think there's a .bat file you need to run after extracting the zip

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Wait

broken belfry Mar 20, 2026, 5:10 AM

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olive spindle what does one do after the download the toolkit?

install.bat

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then run lightspeed.app.trex.bat

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:12 AM

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Man I always forget that one

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Been searching the server

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 5:12 AM

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time to finally see if the capture works properly

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-# hoping it does because it captures properly in the game's own fixed function mode

broken belfry Mar 20, 2026, 5:13 AM

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if you run into errors, post it here

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 5:19 AM

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looks like it's capturing properly

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:25 AM

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Do you see Master Chief and other NPCs having skeleton data

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 5:26 AM

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haven't gotten that far yet lol

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navigating the capture is a little funky

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:26 AM

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I meant that in the capture folder, it has skeleton folder

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It should contain some files

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👀

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This will allow us to add a new model for Master Chief and others

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 5:27 AM

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the skeletons folder is full of stuff

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does the game setup tab impact captures?

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:31 AM

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I honestly have forgotten what the game setup tab looks like anymore but yes, captures will be affected by the world unit scale stuff and other settings

broken belfry Mar 20, 2026, 5:34 AM

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olive spindle the skeletons folder is full of stuff

then it worked

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:38 AM

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Alright we will be here to help if you need anything

broken belfry Mar 20, 2026, 5:44 AM

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i gotta sleep actually

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is almost 2 AM 🙁

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🫂

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glad that it's going so smoothly though ✨

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:04 AM

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how do you know the the game unit size?

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 6:06 AM

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What is it currently set to? Because for me I can't tell it just from the visuals. When you capture and import a light or model in the toolkit, does that light or mesh appear larger or small?

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Test it with a sphere light, if it looks big when you add that light then your unit scale is small

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:10 AM

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a sphere light set to 1 looks normal I think

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 6:19 AM

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How does it look like in the toolkit when you spawn a light in with no settings changed, can you show us that?

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Typically you can just visually see if anything about the scale is wrong and if you haven't then it's okay

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 7:08 AM

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1 Halo world unit = 10 feet (3.048 meters) if that helps at all

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 7:21 AM

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that did help

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~0.0032808399 is the value that should be used

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 7:24 AM

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Yup, 1 cm in tens of feet (1/(2.54*120)) 🙂

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 7:32 AM

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need to fix a handful of things but placing lights works without issues

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 7:33 AM

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@olive spindle for reference

Screenshot_2026-03-20-12-32-29-592_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 7:33 AM

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hot plaza 1 Halo world unit = 10 feet (3.048 meters) if that helps at all

https://tenor.com/view/america-america-flag-sigma-baller-gif-4192599876740220832

Tenor

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 7:34 AM

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solar plank <@759531177328508949> for reference

yeah
1 / 304.8 = ~0.0032808399

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is there anything special I have to do get these things to emit light?

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ah I have to set them to alpha blend to cutout

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 7:50 AM

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What is this exactly?

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Might wanna crank up it's emission

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 7:52 AM

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b40? Also I can provide the correct emission values for all the lights so you don't have to dig them all out with Sapien, I've done that already myself 😅

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 7:53 AM

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With remix you do not want to over do any emissives, they do not contribute to actual lighting.

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It's best if you add lights yourself

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 7:54 AM

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Well there goes half the point of ray tracing...

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 7:57 AM

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thats fun

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 9:19 AM

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This game bout to look 🔥 with path tracing

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 9:34 AM

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If you can't define geometry as an area light at least then that's super annoying

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 9:37 AM

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I mean you can use lights, have you tried using the compat mod yet?

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Or the toolkit?

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 9:39 AM

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I've had zero direct involvement in this so I have no idea what's possible and what isn't. Never even dabbled with the tools.

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It sounds like it might soon reach a point where I could actually help though

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 11:25 AM

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olive spindle is there anything special I have to do get these things to emit light?

Those lights for example should have linear RGB color 0.442034, 0.453745, 1.000000 and brightness 8.0

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:13 PM

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Couldn't resist rendering a quick ground truth image of that scene https://i.imgur.com/J791CNA.jpeg

Imgur

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(I know it's not the exact same location)

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:19 PM

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Ok now I know what the light is

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It is best if we leave it as an emissive but add light sources separately on top

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:20 PM

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How nice it would be if we could just flag the surface as an area light or something...

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:21 PM

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It would've been nice to just use the texture as a light source and it will still function if emissive intensity is set high enough

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That it will light up some area around it on its own

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But it is not recommended to just use emissives for all the game areas

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:22 PM

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We'll have to play around and see what works best, there's probably no one-size-fits-all solution

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:22 PM

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Some mixture of remix lights and original game emissive surfaces will work best imo

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:38 PM

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hot plaza Those lights for example should have linear RGB color `0.442034, 0.453745, 1.000...

halo ce uses linear values for lights? damn lol

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:39 PM

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I'm just giving linear values since I assume that's what we need

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:39 PM

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ahh

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which curve did you use to linearize?

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:42 PM

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No idea, Blender took care of that for me. I used Blender to sample the color from the shader tag in ~~Sapien~~ Guerilla, and that's the value it stored

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Whether it's sRGB or gamma 2.2 won't affect it enough to matter though

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Not for bright colors like that

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:45 PM

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just curious because I think it would make sense to linearize with the gamma the game uses. I haven't checked halo pc but mcc ce uses 2.0 gamma iirc

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which would make a difference in the highlights

woeful condor Mar 20, 2026, 12:45 PM

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solar plank With remix you do not want to over do any emissives, they do not contribute to a...

they do tho... turn on particle lighting in the runtime options

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:46 PM

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I was so confused by that lol

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because I knew you set the sun as emissive in your sky stuff in the begining lol

woeful condor Mar 20, 2026, 12:47 PM

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olive spindle because I knew you set the sun as emissive in your sky stuff in the begining lol

it's actually a huge disk light now because i needed it to be sampled by RTXDI for denoising and volumetrics

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:48 PM

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nice

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:48 PM

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Highlights are where the choice of gamma should matter least though chief_thinking

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:49 PM

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woeful condor they do tho... turn on particle lighting in the runtime options

I meant that when comparing with actual lights, emissives have it's downside as it appears to be very unstable if you use it as the primary light source

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Lots of boiling artifacts last time I recall

woeful condor Mar 20, 2026, 12:49 PM

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solar plank I meant that when comparing with actual lights, emissives have it's downside as ...

yeah for sure

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no way getting around that rn

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other than actual lights

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:50 PM

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This game will work very nicely

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Only thing missing with the sky implementation are additional celestial bodies

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And if someone fancies, the actual Halo ring

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:51 PM

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hot plaza Highlights are where the choice of gamma should matter least though <:chief_thin...

if we're spending all this time on the game might as well go the extra mile :p

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:52 PM

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We'll see what gives the best results later, we can experiment

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:53 PM

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olive spindle if we're spending all this time on the game might as well go the extra mile :p

You mean like a custom tonemapper?

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:53 PM

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solar plank And if someone fancies, the actual Halo ring

Did somebody say Halo ring? #1097963421619720392 message

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:53 PM

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stuff like that yeah

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really want to use psychoV for tonemapping because it's an absolute monster lol

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:54 PM

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hot plaza Did somebody say Halo ring? https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/109...

Just add the model directly, it'll work trust bigbrain1

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 12:54 PM

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solar plank This will allow us to add a new model for Master Chief and others

Would be sick if we got Marcus Lehto’s UE Chief model here

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:55 PM

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I imagine that's what we'll use

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:55 PM

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can anyone here make a classic version of master chief model here? I really adore the original Xbox look fully realized

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:56 PM

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solar plank can anyone here make a classic version of master chief model here? I really ador...

That's what Marcus Lehto did already

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 12:56 PM

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Lehto's model is nice

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 12:57 PM

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Woah

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 12:57 PM

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it's easily the most authentic model out there

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I let him run amok on Stroggos one time 😂

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 1:00 PM

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Is this model publicly available online or was just for showcase purposes

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:00 PM

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It's publicly available, I mean that's my render with it right there

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 1:00 PM

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olive spindle

This one

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alright 👍

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Yeah pretty solid remix project you got going here then

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:01 PM

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also kinda leaning toward using Jordanspartain's covy models

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https://www.nexusmods.com/halothemasterchiefcollection/mods/2624

Nexus Mods :: Halo: The Master Chief Collection

Remastered CE Covenant for Halo 3

Halo CE's Covenant remade in high quality for Halo 3. Jordanspartain modeled the elites, grunts, jackals, and hunters. I worked with him to port them into Halo 3 and get the shaders looking just rig

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the grunts and elites in this pack aren't the newest versions

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hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:02 PM

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Yeah they're very nice, I've already showed off some renders of how good they can look with tweaked materials

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:03 PM

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also wanting to replace the diffuse brdf stuff in remix

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it currently uses hammon which is good but has a tendency to overshaden certain areas which kinda gives remix an ssao look at times

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:04 PM

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hot plaza Yeah they're very nice, I've already showed off some renders of how good they ca...

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olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:05 PM

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the pics are in hdr but still

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want to use psycho instead of the tonemapping stuff I sent you ages ago

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:06 PM

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Is that the lower middle one?

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:07 PM

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yeah

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:07 PM

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I'm not a fan based on that image at least

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:08 PM

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why?
curious

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:09 PM

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It's oversaturated compared to e.g. ACES 2

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Admittedly this one image isn't enough to really judge it on

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I'd like to play around with it myself

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:10 PM

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ACES 2 is pretty funky tbh

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:10 PM

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yeah I'm not a fan of ACES either

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:10 PM

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the highlight saturation in psycho is based off how our eyes work so it looks really natural in proper content

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 1:11 PM

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Yeah, like I said, I'll have to mess around with it and see it in some different contexts

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 1:11 PM

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for sure

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the cyberpunk 2077 renodx just got it yesterday and neon light look actually neon lol

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hermite spline / psycho

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 3:35 PM

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olive spindle also kinda leaning toward using Jordanspartain's covy models

Do they have 1:1 articulation or were they re-rigged for H3?

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 3:36 PM

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I'm not a 3d artist so I'm not sure what that means but the models weren't originally created for halo 3 so I assume the rigs are normal or whatever

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 3:44 PM

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olive spindle I'm not a 3d artist so I'm not sure what that means but the models weren't origi...

Do those models use the halo 3 animations or original ones ported over? If they are the original ones ported forward and not recreated it means it is likely easier to back port and line up the models again.

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 3:46 PM

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I would ask Nathan in the Halo modding server
https://discordapp.com/channels/615301822474878977/1367939680842027190

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 3:48 PM

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shy bronze Do those models use the halo 3 animations or original ones ported over? If they ...

We can just rig them again according to halo 1 skeleton

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We only need the models if they are easy to obtain and no licensing issues

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 3:49 PM

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Yeah but I just wanted to see if it was less or more work ahead

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 3:51 PM

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solar plank We only need the models if they are easy to obtain and no licensing issues

I was told that Jordanspartain's models are free to use

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 3:53 PM

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That's okay, if anyone wants to make a mod then the work required is minimum then, you guys can just create a mod collection with all these different assets under the remix umbrella

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 3:56 PM

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I remember when Jordan was still trying to perfect the model textures I felt bad that he couldn’t use all of them, maybe some of his alt takes could be better for this mod?

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 4:02 PM

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maybe

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got any pics?

hot plaza Mar 20, 2026, 5:37 PM

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The models use the H3 skeletons, though the grunt skeleton didn't change between games so that one's fine

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 5:39 PM

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Is there a way to capture all character models in default t pose?

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Would be easier to work with

broken belfry Mar 20, 2026, 5:47 PM

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solar plank Is there a way to capture all character models in default t pose?

can easily force all skinned meshes into a T pose in the wrapper

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just have a toggle for it in the ini

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olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:17 PM

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default vs psycho

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believe I got it ported correctly

jolly willow Mar 20, 2026, 6:27 PM

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Did you guys solve this game already? In the sense of making path tracing working.

solar plank Mar 20, 2026, 6:27 PM

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olive spindle default vs psycho

Looks too foggy in psycho

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:28 PM

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reduce the voumetrics

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:p

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:29 PM

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jolly willow Did you guys solve this game already? In the sense of making path tracing workin...

mostly yeah

jolly willow Mar 20, 2026, 6:29 PM

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Way to go

jolly willow Mar 20, 2026, 6:49 PM

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Is there a guide yet to put it all together?

I did not read the entire thread. Nor check the appropriate channels these things get launched in.

olive spindle Mar 20, 2026, 6:51 PM

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nope
still chipping away at stuff

jolly willow Mar 20, 2026, 6:55 PM

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Where does one download the base game?

shy bronze Mar 20, 2026, 7:28 PM

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olive spindle got any pics?

I just spent a while digging in rejected’s server which I thought was where it was posted, and can’t find it. Basically the images were a side by side of all the different reflection methods on the armors.

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