G8/z52-8

[severe trellis]

could use a total cost

[simple anvil]

yeah

was thinking the same

think thats clearer now

think it maths out to be better Artifact gain if you do the 1.75 into the 2.0 sollution

so its not obsolete

cause you sacrifice 1-2 arti gains for the regular two shot

depends on fr though

G8 is gonna be Max Arti's in 16 runs

actually faster than my G7 run 💀

[sharp grove]

G8 is somehow like a tutorial galaxy

[simple anvil]

so G8 is done within about 70 hours of fleet fuel

aka just below 3 days of Fleet fuel

[cerulean field]

b10 on sheet needs NH clears

[simple anvil]

no real reason to cause the best stats ignore the hazard completely

just added H/NH to the Hazard ones cause they work the same

no frig

looks inside

frig

wonder if theres gonna be better ones than this

cause they seem really optomized

[cyan sundial]

this one may be mine...

[simple anvil]

lol

all good

[cyan sundial]

why did I wrote "no frig" there?

[simple anvil]

good question

probably just used to it

[cyan sundial]

yeah

but yeah, it's mine, since that's my colour scheme
it's on russian
and I remember finding it

[simple anvil]

ye

[cyan sundial]

b4 battle

someone currently redacting it, so I won't touch it yet

2nd battle from top

hm

I was able to kinda optimise b11... by picking up later L node, lol

so I had corvette+frig for it

is it worth it to post this clear?

1.5x, 153.69, requires L node
HC + Corv + Frig

[simple anvil]

uh

i belive thats already in the sheet

[cyan sundial]

oh yeah

but... it's crossed?

[cyan sundial]

also, works better with shielded corvettes

AH

lol

[simple anvil]

Lol

[cyan sundial]

thanks for pointing this out

spreadsheet becomes
excessively worse

when you have SO MANY OPTIONS

it's really hard to navigate

[simple anvil]

yeah

someone will clean it up

usually do within the first week

had to do this with the b17

so its easier to follow

[cyan sundial]

glad I'm not there yet

[cyan sundial]

that someone stopped, so I restored original text

[simple anvil]

uh

which battle

[cyan sundial]

b4

I already fixed it

[simple anvil]

ah kk

[cyan sundial]

I remember how heavy cruisers were called bad by some people in g6

and here we now, where they are used to clear a lot of stuff, because they have higher fire rate

[sharp grove]

that shotgun battle

[cyan sundial]

not only

in b7 they can solo clear at 1.5

[simple anvil]

well the main diffrence with g6 and g8

is damage/health stats

[cyan sundial]

maybe
but they were good in b6 too

they just didn't had armored version, like normal cruisers

[worthy moss]

the long tail of 25 battles against weak ships against late-galaxy stats

made the damage soak of armored cruiser more and more op

especially the annoying battles against with 4+ swarmers where 1 cruiser was optimal

and it took like 3 real time minutes to test each placement

[torpid creek]

how this build have 2 cruiser/HC ? I dropped 1/1 in pm1 2

[cyan sundial]

it was screenshotted from outside of galaxy

but FR costs look real

[amber isle]

the text ones not the screenshot

[cyan sundial]

what

[amber isle]

the FR in the screenshot are not accurate

[torpid creek]

20 points for extra hc corv? dont think so

[cyan sundial]

oh, yeah
that's why we have texts

texts are real, screenshots are not

[simple anvil]

yeah screens are just for position

[cyan sundial]

you're at less than half of used FR, and used FR is less than FR needed for deployment

My guess is deployment FR 240

[simple anvil]

that is correct

[cyan sundial]

since first kill is always full death

[torpid creek]

but on screen its 180...

[cyan sundial]

that's why you should read

[simple anvil]

cause practice mode

practice mode doesnt remove any of the ships when out of galaxy

[cyan sundial]

@simple anvil should we add "deployment cost" for this maybe
idk

[simple anvil]

yeah prob

[torpid creek]

🥳

[simple anvil]

yippi

[torpid creek]

10 runs to beat last boss

[river fractal]

glad to see you all benefiting from me begging sylv to buff heavy cruiser and beam laser like 5 times in a row while testing g6 💀

[cyan sundial]

thanks you, mister minibosstank

[river fractal]

-# I really, really would have liked to see how you guys would've handled it with really crappy beam laser and native 2x armor damage on enemy missiles with even more firerate and damage

[wind olive]

least terrifying enemy missile setup

[cyan sundial]

we would've just slammed Sylv with "bad galaxy"

[wind olive]

tyranny of the masses

[river fractal]

god you have no idea how horrifying those things were

[pliant pivot]

How do you guys clear both bb1 and b3 on first run?
340-38.63+28.35+25+120+117.5=10.52 FR left for b3

340 is the highest possible starting FR right?

[forest hearth]

it was possible before boosting bb1 hp

[cyan sundial]

I don't this it's possible anymore to clear them on one run

so you need to do two

[pliant pivot]

oh
Thanks for clarifying!

[quasi plume]

Any tips on how to do the first few runs? Which ship to patrol, and should I go straight to BB1?
I'm still 133, with 232 FR

[cyan sundial]

did you consult
The Spreadsheet?

[quasi plume]

I'm looking at it right now

It looks like I want to ditch either firgate or corvette
Not sure strategically if I want to push into the galaxy first or force into BB1 though

[cyan sundial]

about the order though
reach b3 for R node

then you could try to kill BB1, but I'm not sure if you can do even one clear with your FR

also

[quasi plume]

Oh right. Making a run without reaching a R/S node would be not ideal

[cyan sundial]

do you have 4 days of fuel you need to use?

[cyan sundial]

that's how I did my first run
it was sad, lol

[quasi plume]

I'm at 17 hours left at a cost of 6:30 per run (with an ongoing transite).
So I can do a 4th run in an hour or so

Sounds like I want to ditch the frigate then

[cyan sundial]

I would recommend to try and push more sectors
if you can

[quasi plume]

Perhaps. That BB1 bonus sure looks juicy though

And since you can benefit from artifacts immediately now, I'm unsure waiting is the best strategy now

[river fractal]

you kind of at least want to hit the recommended 134 for g8

[quasi plume]

I was able to hit BB1 for 391 first run. Let's try again

[pliant pivot]

First bb1 clear w/o reaching rr/s nodes is 330 fr or so

[pliant pivot]

391? how?

[quasi plume]

Took a particular build, but I did it in 2 runs at 133!

[quasi plume]

Run 1. Uses 100/100.4 FR
Does 391 damage

[pliant pivot]

oh u mean 391 dmg
I thought fr

[quasi plume]

Run 2 uses 140/146 FR

[pliant pivot]

Seems weird not using fighters when you have one...

[quasi plume]

I tried variations, but 1 extra Corvette dealt more damage than 2 extra fighters

Do we want this in the sheet? 2 shot at 133 is nice? Or is the 133 sector breakpoint kind of "transient" with the latest release

Oh damn. I'm just realizing I'm S132 already. I thought this would have taken more time

[pliant pivot]

i think most people are at least 134 which is recommended for g8 when they start it

Btw im wondering why none of the histories shared in this channel push to b6 on first run?
Isnt it better to get R1 2 lvls and a little bit of fuel efficiency?

[cyan sundial]

because everyone wants fixture buff

that's kinda all

[quasi plume]

At the end of that second run I got R1 to l2

[cyan sundial]

technically, for long-term, maybe b6 push is better

[pliant pivot]

well ts only 12h of fuel to get it on the second run

I think we should have something like recommended path in the spreadsheet

[cyan sundial]

@simple anvil would suggest talking to silver about that

they already want to make g7 guide

[quasi plume]

Given there seems to be a pretty unambiguously optimal way to do your first 2 runs, I think that would be a good idea.
I felt a little lost when opening the galaxy the first time

[pliant pivot]

Another sheet filled with a couple of examples and tips
That's all it takes i think

[pliant pivot]

Depends on what to consider optimal

As it seems at least

I wish i had a guide for g6
I wasted so much time and so many stupid runs on that one 🙃

[quick marsh]

B4 is cursed

[simple anvil]

hmm

yeah maybe

both these galaxies are quite Short in general

with barely any diffrence in path

(esp g8)

the only "Diffrent" path is BB1 early or not

Ill give it a week for people to add to the sheet

incase some better solutions are found

but yeah since g8 is so linear like g1/g2 its gonna be decently easy

another improvement I would like to see is a better format overall

for future sheets

Like if theres a general rule of thumb for a path have it so battles fit snugly into their own lil tabs

stuff like this

B1 - BB1 (No Frig)
B1 - B11 (No Corv, Fighter, HC, Cruiser)
B1 - B17 (No Corv, Frig, HC, Cruiser)

[cyan sundial]

but

b1-b5 is no corv no frig

[simple anvil]

Yeah which is why its under B1 - B17

cause its the same path

no reason to have duplicates

but i guess it could be

B4 - B17 for no Corv, Frig, Hc, Cruiser

or stuff like that

will have to brainstorm ideas

[cyan sundial]

direction is different though

[simple anvil]

yeah direction is diffrent but their still the same removals for those solutions

like i said ill think how to properly do this

ill also look into google sheets for how to make some more stuff look better and such

Like for the first week we can probably just do it how we normally do and when people are able to dertmine a path of removals we can move them into diffrent tabs

while having an extra tab for 🟨 which would be the original tab keeping only the non standard ones

[tribal furnace]

This doesn't work anymore?

[simple anvil]

yes

cause boss is now 1k hp

which is why we have to two shot it

[cunning coral]

A recent patch changed the boss health, so no

[tribal furnace]

Huh ^^ Makes sense 😅

[cunning coral]

Remember to exploit early before things get patched 😅

[simple anvil]

:D

[tribal furnace]

Indeed 😆

[sharp hatch]

B12 NH 41.59

stupid ass not actually saved battle gets me every time

[simple anvil]

kk

[simple anvil]

added

[cyan sundial]

can you check if b12 even has 1.25x advisors?

[simple anvil]

im on a old version so i personally cant

[sharp hatch]

it had like bit overdeployed really unoptimized one

[cyan sundial]

I'm not sure you could optimize it a lot though

[simple anvil]

yeah

[cyan sundial]

since at 1.25x stat difference is very high

[sharp hatch]

i tried

[simple anvil]

cause you probably dont kill things in 2 shots

[sharp hatch]

and i had to overdeploy

[cyan sundial]

yeah, that's why I decided to not do it

[simple anvil]

when you stop killing things within 2 shots (mainly small enemies) thats when you gotta push stats

[cyan sundial]

I looked at my FR, and thought "no, I'm not doing that"

[sharp hatch]

i think it was something like this

but 1 fighter and i couldnt get the setup right

[cyan sundial]

oof, Melina has frigs instead of fighters

[simple anvil]

zoinks

[cold rampart]

spreadsheet mentions to beat B3 befoer doing BB1

why is that?

[simple anvil]

so your able to obtain R1

even at s134 of the galaxy

[cyan sundial]

and don't lose scrap into nothingness, like I did

[cold rampart]

oh

alright yeah I just didn't notice the R1 thing

was stuck thinking "wait what extra ship do you get here"

[simple anvil]

lol

[cyan sundial]

yeah, and I lost scrap, which actually may've lend me some help later

[cold rampart]

this is not really related to the galaxy but, I reinforced at 137

is 139 last reinforce

or is there something else later

[simple anvil]

yeah 139 is last reinforce for now

[cold rampart]

hm guess I could reinforce there then

before pushing humanity a bit

feels rather bad tho

[simple anvil]

Yeah your doing the correct reinforce locations imo

[cold rampart]

yeah I was gnona do 136 then 139 but 136 to 137 was rather quick

so I just did the extra push

ty for the answesr!

[simple anvil]

np

thats what ill be doin for it so

it makes sense progress wise

[pliant pivot]

Is there even a reason why there are multiple tabs like b1-b10 & b11-b20?
When creating g7 and g8 i simply used g6 spreadsheet as a prototype
Maybe all the battles should be in one place
Then using ctrl+f to find the one you need would be much easier
And you wouldnt need to switch tabs all the time when testing or going forward or backwards etc

[simple anvil]

just to help seperate i guess

[pliant pivot]

In that case we can easily have tabs for non standard choices without having a shit ton of shit everywhere

[pliant pivot]

In my experience it makes it worse
Well it could probably make sense in g6
But now
Well then the question is why the F did i separate those...

Ok if you need help reordering shit or editing or anything else tag me
If you choose we need more/less/whatever tabs

[simple anvil]

yeah in g6 was the "You dont want to see the ENITRE 30+ battles" at once

[mighty kernel]

how many runs on average to complete g8 guyz? s137 astrium

[simple anvil]

10 runs

max artis in 15 - 16

[mighty kernel]

big thx

[cyan sundial]

hm

I thought I would be slow

but it looks like I will clear b17 in 2 runs indeed
Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 2: B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, B9 Cleared, R2 Level 3, GF Level 1
Run 4: B10 Cleared, S1 Level 1, HL Level 1
Run 5: R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared
Run 7: CL Level 1, R3 Level 2, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 8: B12 Cleared, B13 Cleared, S2 Level 1, R1 Level 4

have 1.75x stats

maybe 3 runs at worst

[simple anvil]

your on pace for a b17 kill on run 10

make sure to dump your FR on F1

[cyan sundial]

yeah

it's already partly done

[simple anvil]

good

yeah you should be able to beat it within 10

[ocean ridge]

Is there a sheet for G8? I can't find a link

[simple anvil]

pins

[ocean ridge]

oh derp

ty

[simple anvil]

read the Important notes btw

[ocean ridge]

when it says this, does it mean remove corv first then frig at next spot?

[simple anvil]

yes

[ocean ridge]

got it

[simple anvil]

its the order

[ocean ridge]

5 hours till I can do bb1 2nd half

[simple anvil]

yeah its a juicy upgrade

[blissful epoch]

which setup did you use for it? bcs it took me 3 shots

[ocean ridge]

it's the only option on the spreadsheet at the moment

[simple anvil]

@versed isle
Max Arti's done in 15 runs btw.

to show you how fast this galaxy really is

[versed isle]

rip

could almost halve all the scrap gains and itd be fine

though kinda long at 30 (its nto 1 to 1 tho)

[simple anvil]

Honestly you probably could remove/nerf to like half of R2/R3 upgrade's

should still be possible with s134

[blissful epoch]

i did not understood the do B3 first for R1

[simple anvil]

its so you can obtain R1

at s134

[blissful epoch]

So i need to complete in 3 shots

[simple anvil]

?

little confused

[blissful epoch]

i did not get the R1 so could not do i 2 shots

[simple anvil]

well you do the two shots over 2 runs

Run 1 and Run 2 are practicly the same

[ocean ridge]

R1 doesnt give stats. It's just an outlet for your Fleet Scrap so you dont waste your run

[simple anvil]

yeah

[ocean ridge]

I also did B4 on run 1

[simple anvil]

the only reason the Do B3 first is security for S134 players

cause if you do BB1 First, you cant do B3

[versed isle]

overkil r upgrades if good to have

its just how fast it is to get em

[simple anvil]

yeah fair

[analog finch]

I'm confused, I looked up how people are beating b11, How are people bringing heavy cruiser into it?

[simple anvil]

HL

[analog finch]

Ahhhh you have to go left first.

[simple anvil]

yeah

number order is important

[analog finch]

But doesn't it take your last ship if you go left?

Oh that's a fabricator

Dur

[simple anvil]

When in doubt, follow the Battle Number out

[analog finch]

That makes sense. Oh well, I won't be clearing this galaxy too efficiently but I'll just wait a bit longer

[simple anvil]

its quite fast rn anyway

too fast too soon

[analog finch]

Yeah these new galaxies don't seem too obad

[simple anvil]

well g8 is not balanced correctly

its faster than g7

lol

[analog finch]

Shhhh don't tell them so I can sneak through it quickly then they can balance it

[simple anvil]

which is why sylv is nerfing the scrap amounts

[ocean ridge]

g7 took me 11 runs to beat the boss

[simple anvil]

b17 or bb1

or one of the other commander ships

[ocean ridge]

b7

if youre asking me

[simple anvil]

ooh

g7 yeah

[blissful epoch]

you know, there should be a Step to do, in order to optimize stuff

[simple anvil]

G7 and G8 are most likely getting guides

ill personaly work on G8

[blissful epoch]

coool

[tawdry sable]

if you have a spreadsheet and you follow it yes. I find casually it takes 15-17 runs

[simple anvil]

yeah thats also a good point

[wind olive]

honestly it's still pretty good being within 2x the runs of spreadsheet

[simple anvil]

yeah

as long as your twice as good as the spreadsheet your doing okay

thats where casuals should be

[pliant pivot]

And here goes my added note "for R1"...

[simple anvil]

its okay

miscommunication is always gonna happen

[pliant pivot]

yeah
sometimes clarification makes things more obscur
i wonder if its like that now

[simple anvil]

genuinely tho miscommunication will always happen in general due to not knowing terms, or what X thing actually implies cause they dont have the knowledge of it

(hell look at most new system info boxxes)

[pliant pivot]

they were not that bad imo
except splicing for sure. but im confident its because im too stupid

[lethal pine]

I see that bugfix update notification but you can't trick me sylv. If I update then the enemies get harder.

Wait why am I in fleet discussion

https://tenor.com/view/where-the-hell-am-i-where-am-i-lost-in-a-field-confused-gif-11092516

[thin pilot]

woo. Found the mysterious B6 unknown

Oddly, first thing I tried. I was planning on brute forcing it and it was super easy

[ebon orchid]

Woho, took some finagling but finally managed to snag BB1 on the first travel \o/

[cyan sundial]

damn, I have only 199.24 FR with 1.75x power coming into b17
I guess I will clear g8 later

and I will need to donate 133 FR into GF, lol

[forest hearth]

in the spreadsheet there is B11 without cruiser, but no B7 without cruiser..... how 😄

[cyan sundial]

because you always give up HC before B7

and cruiser before b11

and then you get HC at HL node so you can clear b11

[dry veldt]

Clearing on 1.0x Fleet Stats seems ill advised but I can do it

[forest hearth]

ah, i missed that PM2

[wind olive]

discord

[dry veldt]

almost have 5 specimen colors there

[cyan sundial]

discord are aliens

[long field]

PM2 after HC printer but before B11 is still cruiser right?

[cyan sundial]

PM2 is always cruiser

pm1 is always HC

[long field]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-that-right-there-you-said-it-youre-right-you-got-it-gif-13272652066470560545

[river fractal]

well, look at the battles after pm1

they're all better with cruiser than heavy cruiser

[lone reef]

thanks for this, much better guide than the spreadsheet ❤️

[cerulean field]

not worth doing last battles without f1?

[cyan sundial]

yep

b15 without it is
highly questionable

[mighty kernel]

bb1 on 1st clear?
did they confuse nerf with boost somehow?😆

[river fractal]

that was before it was changed

[forest hearth]

on L1 we always take corvetter,right?

[river fractal]

yep

[lone reef]

Took yours a bit further, but still far from optimal 😄

[lone reef]

just a different tactic is all imo 🙂

[versed isle]

yall really gonna make me giga nerf this

[vast adder]

Gonna start my 9th run for B17 clear in a few mins

This is fine

Feels weird to be missing 85% of artifacts when I'm about to finish

[jovial wraith]

🛬 oh hey, what's u-
ship will be removed from your fleet
oh

[river fractal]

surprised? so was I....

[wind olive]

but you'll NEVER guess what comes next!

[forest hearth]

if you have fuel and time to do 2+ runs its not worth to go after BB1 in 1st run, try to change my mind 😛

[vast adder]

That might be true but I for sure didn't have enough fuel

[jovial wraith]

hmmmm

does this mean sylv's going to give us destroyers in fleet next galaxy?

and the patrols are the way of simplifying the removal of the smaller chaff ships

[river fractal]

nope

[thin pilot]

In Galaxy 9 we find out that that all ships are removed and we have to throw rocks

Somehow they're super effective and nobody can figure out why

[inner elbow]

B4/B5 are evil. I'm on my third run and still can't get past B4 I have to be doing something wrong.

[foggy loom]

Is that the one with all the lasers?

[vast adder]

Are you using wrong ships?

[foggy loom]

Just slap a bunch of extra fighters down

The lasers will waste their shots on all the fighters so all your actually powerful ships can get through

And some of your fighters might even survive too

If I'm remembering those nodes right

I'm pretty sure I have a decent grasp of what to do for the Patrol nodes, thankfully

[inner elbow]

aha, I had figured out that I could sacrifice the ships at the bottom of the screen, but I stupidly sent my fighters on patrol

That did it, thanks for the guidance

[pliant pivot]

Even the spreadsheet solutions are far from optimal
Took me 10 mins to reduce B5 with hazard from 65 to 52.5
(and it was not 1 but 10-15 layouts)

My advice - keep trying random shit, there is a high chance you find a good layout

[pliant pivot]

Wouldnt it be better to specify not the ships removed but the ships left/used?
Especially after second patrol
Or at least after first removal we specify the ship removed, after second we specify what is left
And in case remaining ship isn't used for some reason we avoid clutter by specifying only the ships used

Not sure though

Here for example
I feel that upper cell would benefit from "(frig)" instead of (no corv, fighter)
Better readability

[frigid sun]

Why not both
Like
(Frig, no corv, fighter)

So people that are more comfortable with +ve or -ve can both get that quick

[pliant pivot]

Thats 0 readability
But maybe moving this shit to a new line and making smth like ↓ would be nice
frig / NO corv, fighter
Still i think less words = better

Thats bullshit
Even with "no smalls" its too many words for smth simple that means "only cruiser"
Or maybe its just me -_-

[frigid sun]

Frig
NO corv, fighter
Even with different typographic Bold/italic
Like this?

[pliant pivot]

Maybe we could specify how many removals have already taken place before a node in the nodes name
So we don't need to repeat some stuff

[pliant pivot]

Wow thats actually good imho

[pliant pivot]

Smth like that

or the other way
Specify what's left
meaning 2s not removed but 1s left

Because in the current state of specifying removals readability sucks

[frigid sun]

wouldn't Printer mess up with that tho?

The removal doesn't change, but the remaining changes.

[pliant pivot]

And right below that cell we have this shit.
No removals specified, HC printer instead of SHC (which has already been use in g6)

[pliant pivot]

For that we already have SHC/SC, dont we?
At least it was ok in g6

Plus SHC SC H NH S NS etc usually go before stats
Removals can be after
Or smth

Well, i hope we can brainstorm smth better than what we have now 🙂

[frigid sun]

Yeah I am in brainstorm mode too just not focused.
Throwing in ideas and see if something stands out

one thing I would like to add is since most of us wouldn't be here for way too long, I think I would suggest understand in first glance is better than abbreviation that might cause brainfart

[river fractal]

or people just look at the ships deployed in the image

and use some logic

also would be good if there are no steampunk/retrofuture skins which are unreadable as to whether it's a frigate or a cruiser or a heavy cruiser

[sharp grove]

pay 2 make game harder to read

[pliant pivot]

Why H and color were removed?

[river fractal]

there's a base

it don't take much genius to figure out it still has the hazard too

[cyan sundial]

imo, steampunk skins are perfectly fine, but when I need to make screenshot with them, I usually only leave one medium ship with steampink

[frigid sun]

Since we have different favor skins, I don't think picture is the best way to store info even they are pretty self explanatory
Words in title is wayyy quicker read

[cyan sundial]

since people for some reason can't differentiate between cruiser and heavy cruiser with steampunk sometimes, so I change it for them

[pliant pivot]

NH below has the same color as base
hmmm

[molten plover]

damn, you guys are so much better at fleet than I am

[river fractal]

'hey, since we have actual grid labels now, we can have layout import/export strings'

[molten plover]

spreadsheet is miles above my attempts

[sharp grove]

steampunk/retro/advanced/golden have different shape to the rest

[pliant pivot]

Wait a sec
Bases used to be specified as H in G6?
Or am i wrong

[frigid sun]

TBH textblock is always my favor method, but it is just me lol.

[civic vapor]

So I guess I never need frigs again after 1.75 stats?

[cyan sundial]

just some people in times of g6 were saying, that they can't differentiate HC and Cruiser with steampunk
I can do it with no problem, but for their sake I change skins if needed

[cyan sundial]

you never frig again after b11 cleared, to be precise

[pliant pivot]

We could also adapt one color scheme...
Each ship different
I doubt there are that many people editing the spreadsheet

[river fractal]

can differentiate it but it just takes a little harder looking because I don't have those and don't use them

and can't really recognise them instantly like default shapes

[pliant pivot]

Color scheme could solve everyone's problems, change my mind

[cyan sundial]

that's why I think, that ideally you would have all ships in different schemes specifically for screenshot

[civic vapor]

I might have used frigs once somewhere past B11 while my stats were lower XD

[cyan sundial]

never did that, since after b11 is cleared, your next target is boss, and you need fighters for that

[river fractal]

it just sometimes looks kind of cursed xd

and some people like to have colour schemes for mods/weapons and such

[cyan sundial]

God damn it
I have 366 FR
oneshot requires 386 FR

this is
The worst galaxy for me in terms of "not enough FR, kiddo"

[cyan sundial]

yes, and I change them for screenshot if needed

[pliant pivot]

too much effort don't you think?

[civic vapor]

I never remove fighters, just get corv back at L1, that's really the only change I've made that was "significant"

[cyan sundial]

no
I only do that with cruisers and HC tbf

[cyan sundial]

okay
just a sec
when you said about frig, I thought you meant that you used frigate, not removed it

yeah, you just
never use frigate again at some point

oh, okay, there's 316 FR oneshot

I'm saved

[sharp grove]

lol

[cyan sundial]

I guess this one is useless now

[civic vapor]

Yeah, I mean past beating B11 for the first time, just before reaching PM2 on a new run

[cyan sundial]

since there's 316 FR oneshot below it

well, g8 cleared

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 2: B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, B9 Cleared, R2 Level 3, GF Level 1
Run 4: B10 Cleared, S1 Level 1, HL Level 1
Run 5: R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared
Run 7: CL Level 1, R3 Level 2, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 8: B12 Cleared, B13 Cleared, S2 Level 1, R1 Level 4
Run 9: F1 Unlocked, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R2 Level 5, GF Level 2
Run 10: S2 Level 2, B17 Cleared, R1 Level 5

10 runs, I was afraid it would take more

[civic vapor]

[molten plover]

You don't go for B11 first? Rather, B10 => HL => B11?

[civic vapor]

I've done something wrong, besides not using sheets from the start XD

[cyan sundial]

yes, can't clear b11 without HL

[civic vapor]

Too many R2 me thinks

[cyan sundial]

theoretically you can, but
well
good luck with that one!

[civic vapor]

I've got 7 R2, probably not really necessary if you're optimal from run 1, yeah.

[cyan sundial]

I'm also not very optimal

there were times where I needed to drop 50+ FR into GF

and also I lost all scrap from first run

it's funny, how at 2.0x, a few battles in g8 become "John Armored Cruiser against everyone"

[civic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-cute-cuttie-puppy-gif-14158502

Not the John Henry I wanted.

[sharp grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307070726154752050/1431816261674729482/spin.gif

[pliant pivot]

B11 column is literal hell

[pliant pivot]

Has anyone done b11 at run 5?

Feels like its possible...

After bb1 nerf

[fringe spruce]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 2, GF Level 1
Run 2: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 3: B7 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B8 Cleared, R3 Level 1
Run 4: B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, HL Level 1, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, R2 Level 3
Run 5: B11 Cleared
Run 6: S1 Level 2, CL Level 1, R1 Level 4
Run 7: B12 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, GF Level 2
Run 8: F1 Unlocked, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R1 Level 5, R3 Level 2
Run 9: S2 Level 2, B17 Cleared, R3 Level 3
Run 10: R2 Level 4, R2 Level 5, R2 Level 6
Run 11: R2 Level 7, R3 Level 4
Run 12: R2 Level 8, R2 Level 9

I did BB1 after a nerf

[pliant pivot]

D1 at run 3
Damn it
You are good

[fringe spruce]

Im a spreadsheet/advisor user though xd

[pliant pivot]

Well
I didnt think this through
Also i JUST NOTICED r2 and r3 are 0.1 not 0.2

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R1 Level 2, B7 Cleared
Run 2: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 3: S1 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2
Run 4: HL Level 1, R2 Level 3, GF Level 1

A couple of bad decisions here and there and now im sitting trying to find 10fr

[fringe spruce]

so at worst you will end up with one more run, while next content takes 100+days

I didn't see in recommended path (After BB1 is killed: Corv, Frig to After B5 is killed: Corv, Fighter, HC, Cruiser) frighter swapped to fighter, and i had 2-3 middle runs with 50FR unspent on anything other than GF.

[pliant pivot]

F***
I hate myself
I think it is also doable with D1 on run5 but i missed 2 fights for scrap or smth like that during 4 runs and wasted scrap on r2
I could have s2 already and that would be enough to clear B11 with my current FR left

[pliant pivot]

yeah that's ok
Just feeling stupid rn
I had the spreadsheet and yet here i am

I had 100 fr left on run 4 -_-

[pliant pivot]

This should be the guide xd
Or at least it's the best for now

[fringe spruce]

I started at S137, G6 and lower I often started below maximum Sector

[pliant pivot]

Same here
Started g8 at 137

[fringe spruce]

I wonder how non-eoc/current players will play galaxies 7-8

[pliant pivot]

G7 2.5 days
Reaching 137 is 2.5 days too
Very bad idea to waste fuel starting earlier imo
Unless you play very non efficiently and are at fuel cap

[simple anvil]

bb1 has a hazard?

there isnt

[fringe spruce]

i think Commandship is treated as hazard for spreadsheet

[simple anvil]

thats, a little weird dont you think?

[fringe spruce]

as in g7 and g8 there arent CS+Hazard, just CS creates hazard in other nodes

otherwise, I would see it having separate colours background/notes, but turns out it wasn't needed

[pliant pivot]

It improves readability dont you think?
red vs white background

[simple anvil]

yeah i guess

[pliant pivot]

Or we'll have to add another color or smth

[simple anvil]

the only reason why i got confused with that is i thought H was always used for hazards

[pliant pivot]

Im pretty sure we had H for CS before

[simple anvil]

well it just dosent say H is used for command ships too

probably should put that in the legend

[pliant pivot]

My brain doesnt see big difference between hazards (which in most cases can be removed) and CS

Im the one who added that background colors shit in first place back at g6
I thought someone would polish it but nothing has actually changed since

G6 spreadsheet was hideous disco of colors anyway

Oh
Seems like all CS fights in g6 had hazards
This is probably the reason why there were no such situations before

[simple anvil]

ahah

[pliant pivot]

Wait a sec

What happens if we eventually have a fight with CS and hazard that doesn't disappear

It doesn't make any sense but still

[simple anvil]

that would mean we want a new color

[pliant pivot]

The thing with colors

Only 3 is good because red + blue = purple

[simple anvil]

yeah

[pliant pivot]

That was my goal

[simple anvil]

could do green

[pliant pivot]

Adding new color...
Well we can have a separate one for CS
Lets stick with H for CS for now?

[simple anvil]

mk

[pliant pivot]

Green usually means something good or doable
or smth like that

[simple anvil]

yeah but then yellow and orange are to similar to the red

maybe a pink

[pliant pivot]

Pink is more like current red

And yellow is used as square for non standard

The spreadsheet is getting too complicated 😮

[simple anvil]

think yellow works

[pliant pivot]

but do we really need it rn

[simple anvil]

it would be future proofing

blue usually means support

think yellow for command ship is fine

or orange

[pliant pivot]

Link gone?

?

Just put important thing at top right

There is free space there

[simple anvil]

fair

[pliant pivot]

I think ill return the link in case some1 needs it

[simple anvil]

ye

didnt realize it got removed

lol

[pliant pivot]

Its a fucking bad idea to do what we are doing
Editing at the same time

😄

[simple anvil]

lol

yeah i get ya

think the only reason why people didnt use SC/SHC is cause it would flood the boxxes to much with info

[pliant pivot]

wdym?

[simple anvil]

like to much text in a box

[pliant pivot]

Ive edited many cells today containing "After HC printer"
That's pure clutter

[simple anvil]

ah

ye

[pliant pivot]

B11 column is... well its better now, but it's still shit

[pliant pivot]

Plus

[lone reef]

maybe just add an icon

[pliant pivot]

There is a reason to stick to G6 SHC
It it the same thing
Yet the nodes are named differently

[lone reef]

like if battle is done with hc printer for example, put a tiny hc there and viola

[simple anvil]

Hm

[pliant pivot]

Editing would be diffcult

[lone reef]

life is diffucult

[simple anvil]

editing and copy and pasting something else is also difficult

[pliant pivot]

If there were icons i wouldnt ever bother to add them thats for sure
And ive edited more than half columns in g6 and ve edited like A LOT

[simple anvil]

Honestly i think the solution to this problem is having 2 cells per stat thing.

[pliant pivot]

Huh

Thats a good one

[simple anvil]

First cell is for the Damage/Health stat and FR
Second one is Removal/Starting

[pliant pivot]

Better reverse the order

[simple anvil]

yeah true

[pliant pivot]

First like H SHC god knows what else

Plus colors

Well both can be colored
But i think we better leave this idea for g9

Changing the table rn would be unwise

[simple anvil]

Lol

[pliant pivot]

Thats a bit excessive?

[simple anvil]

yeah prob

[pliant pivot]

Wait a sec

Idea was red removal blue printer?

[simple anvil]

yeah

cause their oposites

Mockup for the new system

[pliant pivot]

Oh

That looks nice!

[simple anvil]

a lot more readable

[pliant pivot]

But people wont bother

[simple anvil]

yeah wont bother with the colors

[pliant pivot]

We need sheet janitors to edit stuff

[cyan sundial]

red background makes me not want to look at it

since it looks like "oh, maybe it's outdated"

[simple anvil]

well the red is for the hazard

ah

i see

ye

thats without the text colors

[pliant pivot]

I tried picking something more neutral back at g6
Because there was actual red background in use
Which meant some stupid stuff like "not working" or smth

Which doesn't make any sense cause we have gray background for outdated

[cyan sundial]

yeah, and I think that white background is best

so like
it's just an opinion

[simple anvil]

Yeah its just to help indecate the hazards/support/no hazard

[pliant pivot]

Well we can... use red square for hazards?

Btw

[simple anvil]

but i think thats gonna be more annoying for people to add

[pliant pivot]

do u guys use any kind of clipboard software?

[river fractal]

armor cruiser has always been strrong like that

[pliant pivot]

probably built in windows one

[cyan sundial]

this one

[simple anvil]

yeah built in

its a little wonky with pasting

[cyan sundial]

but "single armored cruiser soloes everything" wasn't as prevalent in previous galaxies
compared to their size

[pliant pivot]

I strongly advise using ditto
It makes any editing much easier
Supports hotkeys so i can call 🟨 with just a hotkey combo

[simple anvil]

Yeah but not everyone will/would use that

thats the issue

[pliant pivot]

Maybe we should move spreadsheet editing discussion in a separte topic btw here on discord

[river fractal]

it's much more significant now with the bigger stat scaling and such

[pliant pivot]

Im just mentioning good stuff

[simple anvil]

ye

[cyan sundial]

I think the ideal scenario

would be to at some point just close this spreadsheet

[simple anvil]

xD

[cyan sundial]

and THEN make it good looking

[river fractal]

wait I could've sworn\ there was
or did I confuse with another base?

[cyan sundial]

before that it's easier for people to just use text

[simple anvil]

i was so confused on why H was there in the first place

but there isnt

lol

thats why i removed it

Honestly instead of the Health increase of 250 sylv probably could have just added a hazard 😂

[pliant pivot]

Saving us the trouble yeah hah

[river fractal]

I mean, if you can't get rid of the hazard, then you don't care about defining whether it's there or not, you just care about the things that may or may not be there such as bases and support

[pliant pivot]

True
Should we avoid using h if the hazard is permanent then?

[simple anvil]

Probably

[pliant pivot]

I think both yes and no

[simple anvil]

That I see adding a square to

[pliant pivot]

🟥

[simple anvil]

Red Square siginaling no removal of hazard can be done

[pliant pivot]

Or simply just hazard

To avoid using background color

But i think background colors are the best

[simple anvil]

Well there could also be sitiautions where

your able to remove one hazard, but not the other

[river fractal]

the humble D hazards:

[pliant pivot]

When the columns are sorted it makes easier looking for the thing you need

[river fractal]

btw it's weird that killing b11 can remove a D hazard on b7 even though they are otherwise unremovable

except for killing bb3 in g6 which somehow removes the D hazard too

[cyan sundial]

as I said, that was mostly an opinion of a person, who is really used to plain white backgrounds in galaxy spreadsheet

[pliant pivot]

Hazard letters have meaning?
Havent even thought about those

[river fractal]

uh yeah

[cyan sundial]

yes

[river fractal]

they indicate what type of hazard (usually)

[pliant pivot]

The thin is i posted color scheme as a suggestion

No edits for 3 months

[simple anvil]

heres what would happen if we removed the color but put it into a text

[river fractal]

D = DoT
R = Reinforcements
L = Laser Volley
H = Hazard (complex, combination of multiple)

[pliant pivot]

Then this patch comes out and people start using backgrounds in new spreadsheets
And im like wtf

[pliant pivot]

Oh
Thats cool

[simple anvil]

Hmm yeah

that wcould work

G = Grid buffs

[pliant pivot]

Community editing is good but someone has to make decisions about formatting

[cyan sundial]

and eventually stop community from editing

since it's easy to screw it all up

[pliant pivot]

Yet again
Colors make looking for easier
Without them you ll have to read every cell or stick to ctrl-f

[pliant pivot]

Has thought about that today
How would you do it?
My only idea is using this channel as suggestions board

[simple anvil]

honestly never even used ctrl-f for the sheets

[cyan sundial]

same idea

[pliant pivot]

Had to ctrl-f all the time in g6

Not in g7/g8 though

[simple anvil]

I just went to the battle then scrolled down

[pliant pivot]

U do remember g6 columns right?

Some were 60 rows long

[simple anvil]

g6 yeah its important

cause they are long

[cyan sundial]

i mean, ideally, unless Sylv breaks everything up again

at some point spreadsheet is done

[simple anvil]

yeah editors clean up

[cyan sundial]

unless we'll find a lunatic who would do some battles at MUCH LOWER strength than most people

[river fractal]

oh yeah I forgot about that lol

[cyan sundial]

it's mostly set in stone

[river fractal]

🫠

[pliant pivot]

People do find that all the time

[cyan sundial]

yeah, but I doubt you will find someone clearing b12 at 1.0x for example

[simple anvil]

Honestly I think after a month the spreadsheet should be closed so the editors can then come in, swoop in some changes and boom

[simple anvil]

honestly then they can report changes

in the fleet discussion tabs

[wind olive]

it's a shame that conditional formatting can only apply a single formatting specification to the entire cell

[river fractal]

we could really collect all the spreadsheets in #1084285937200144486 and then you can do all this discussion in #guides-tools-discussion

[simple anvil]

yeah true

[river fractal]

fortunately the much bigger S nodes now means there are far fewer variables to do that with

[pliant pivot]

Yeah lets move from here

[river fractal]

rather than doing g6 with like 10 different stat levels because you could fight bb1 with anywhere from 1.5x to 2.5x stats in incrementa of 0.1

[simple anvil]

if we did close the spreadsheets after a month and people found a better solution, and there was sort of a hub to report lower Advisors than listed then all they would have to do is specifiy
Galaxy number - Advisor showing Lower than posted - Stats and an image

[pliant pivot]

yeah no gf and probably no worse battles with higher stats now

[river fractal]

the only thing that makes this extremely gross and horrible if there are further balancing changes to galaxies that makes fights different again

[river fractal]

nope, those are still around even with 0.25 stat nodes lol

[pliant pivot]

We will ned a separate chat or topic or smth for that because we have already 8 galaxies and we gonna have more
Checking each chat would be unwise

[simple anvil]

well that can effect the whole spread sheet anyway

[river fractal]

just much rarer

[simple anvil]

yeah like i said some sort of Advisor Update Hub

[pliant pivot]

Thats already amazing

[river fractal]

yeah, but then now somebody has to go through and fix them all afterwards...

[simple anvil]

I dont mind, plus honestly i dont think sylv wants to change g1 - g6

[cyan sundial]

hopefully Sylv won't do much more of those
also, what if person who hosts spreadsheet deletes it

[simple anvil]

he only changes newly added galaxies

[pliant pivot]

Btw thats a good question

[simple anvil]

we could have a wiki editor hold the sheets

and then have them give permision to the people to work on it

[river fractal]

we only started making spreadsheets for.... g5?

[simple anvil]

yeah

cause g5 was the first added galaxy

after the initial release

[pliant pivot]

Thats a bad thing about g sheets that it can only have 1 owner and could be accidentally deleted or moved or smth else

[simple anvil]

Yeah but same thing can be said to public ones too

someone could just troll and delete everything

[pliant pivot]

You can always restore via version history

[simple anvil]

true

[pliant pivot]

But if its gone its gone for good

[simple anvil]

hm

Thats why i see us giving it to respected people such as either a wiki editor or a guide maker role

to hold on to it

[wind olive]

ok but it was really funny watching all the timeskippers who had extra gf levels from inefficiency end up on a slightly shifted universe from everyone else

[pliant pivot]

I'd been thinking about that
My best idea was that hosting the spreadsheets should be done from a clean account which one's drive you don't use and couldn't delete it by mistake
If we are still talking about public ones
Making them private adds other problems

[simple anvil]

it was

[river fractal]

and I think there's like... half a g4 spreadsheet that was done after eoc optimisers were past it

[river fractal]

lmao

[pliant pivot]

Im kinda new here so i don't know anyone
Just tell me what to do hah

[cyan sundial]

respected people

[simple anvil]

guide makers/editiors use google sheets/docs all the time and nothings ever happened to them

[cyan sundial]

could just make a copy of spreadsheet

to have it as emergency

[pliant pivot]

No no no

Id better give ownership of those

So the link doesn't change

I hope it doesnt at least

[cyan sundial]

that I'm not sure how to do, but if we're going with spreadsheet

idea of backup still stand

[pliant pivot]

oh i missed this message nvm

[simple anvil]

Yeah i could hold onto a emergency sheet

[pliant pivot]

You would need to manually come and make a copy
Or
Im sure there are tools to automate it

[river fractal]

g6 spreadsheet is hosted by darg, who can be considered a respectable person

[cyan sundial]

that's after spreadsheet is closed and considered "Done"

so you won't probably need to change it afterwards

also it can hold link to original

just in case

[pliant pivot]

"Done" status is booooring

[river fractal]

or just accept it being slightly out of date and occasionally coming back to check and update if necessary

[pliant pivot]

It makes a human being think that there is nothing else to improve

[simple anvil]

Like i said, and if people find a better adivsor (somehow) there would be a hub for editors to change it

such as me

[river fractal]

I mean, I literally looked at sheet, checked advisor on the layout and found it had like 10 less FR used, and then after I solved it I immediately beat it again

[pliant pivot]

First of all lets move this discussion to some other topic
So we don't lose progress and people who come for actual galaxy discussions dont have to scroll through all this

[simple anvil]

yeah fair

(theres like 200 messages cause of this lmao)

[pliant pivot]

Same, many times, even in recent patches

[simple anvil]

People could also suggest they to be added for the editor group

if they do it a lot

#guides-tools-discussion

alright lets move

[pliant pivot]

Sorry anyone coming here for actual g8 info, that stuff is somewhere above! 😛

[cyan sundial]

I would say

that it's in The Spreadsheet

it's in pins

[pliant pivot]

If someone needs galaxy history examples just search for "Run 1" w/o quotes in this topic

[quasi flare]

dersies moment

[severe trellis]

hold on now let's not be hasty

[simple anvil]

xD

nah your the chosen one

https://tenor.com/view/chosen-toy-story-gif-7936264

[pliant pivot]

Wait a sec
Why take frig to b11 if you have at least 1.5x stats

According to spreadsheet b11 is cheaper with fighters

[simple anvil]

hm

then change that out

[pliant pivot]

As well as b9
The other nodes are either equal (+- 5) or small ship choice doesnt matter

[pliant pivot]

Roger that

[simple anvil]

yeah switch it out then

[cyan sundial]

not sure what happened there

I dragged picture out of b10-b11

oh, it's from b13

[wind olive]

i think when the pathing was first made the cheapest known b11 was the 156 2corv+frig one

[cyan sundial]

not sure if it's the right one though

[simple anvil]

frig was originally the cheapest

wait

[pliant pivot]

Yeah
But now as i've already wasted the 5th run i decided to check
And no reason to take frig to b9 after 1.5x apparently

Well
According to the sheets there is literally 1FR difference IF you go for L1 Corv with frig before fighting B11 (but why would you?)
Huge difference otherwise
EDIT: i just realised you can't go for L1 corv efficiently w/o frig at this point, so it's always better to fight B11 with fighters

B9 is better with fighters but only if you have SC unlocked. SC unlock is ALWAYS the next run after defeating B11 so it doesn't matter as long as you can dump all your FR to SC unlock node

The only question remaining

Is it better to use FR for scrap after B11 (Run 5 / 6) or dump it all for SC
Considering the next run will use much less FR for B11, B7, D1 etc

Because if going all in for CL means fighter must stay in your fleet since 1.5x
If not - only after B11 defeat

[simple anvil]

Hmm

dunno

[pliant pivot]

Apparently it doesnt matter at all in short term.
Next run all in F1, so no FR leftovers, a little less fuel in later runs.

[formal vale]

judt got to g8 yall killed base1 in 1 round?

[simple anvil]

yes and no

i belive you can at s137, but you sacrefice r1

[formal vale]

im at 138 and im coping the layout

[fringe spruce]

do not the layout (it's a joke about word 'coping' from cop a feel rather than copying)

[formal vale]

How so?

[tawdry sable]

I think i'm gonna go for overdrive now

i don't care about the other stuff that much 😛

[formal vale]

Hopefully i hit 139 today for the reinforce

[formal vale]

Isnt it good to max skein as soon as possible?

[tawdry sable]

yes... but i like to suffer instead

🐈

[simple anvil]

yeah Skein > Adaptations

[tawdry sable]

i like corruption. what can i say?

i'll buy skeins after i buy base 6

[quasi flare]

I wonder if that upgrade means Q skein is more valuable now

and actually worth pushing up

[tawdry sable]

you can reach warps like 143 now

which increases warps a lot

[cyan sundial]

it likely is

[tawdry sable]

you get like 25% skeins per warp increase

this is a multiplier not a additive boost

[formal vale]

I havent seen rumina yet but sint it worth it anyway with the Q cost?

[simple anvil]

very much so imo

[quasi flare]

probably yeah

I just know it was basically useless before this

[simple anvil]

Rumina has x2 base skien costs

aka first upgrade costs 2 instead of 1

[tawdry sable]

what should i spend my 1.97E5 unstable on?

which one should i do next

[simple anvil]

uh

spec maybe?

[tawdry sable]

i'm guessing you don't need a large base 6 to evolve it a 2nd time right?

from unstable

[simple anvil]

yeah

im on e5

[silent surge]

for farming artifacts after b17 done, do i take F1 or skip?

i think take

[simple anvil]

always take

[silent surge]

i only realized now D1 gave scrap 😔

but i took it half the time

[frigid sun]

D1 is pretty worth it

after a few runs it barely cost anything

[mighty kernel]

guyz how much is this worth?
is it the only source of it thats left? is it worth w8ing for it before G8?

[cyan sundial]

no, too much residuum

you won't get a lot out of it

and there're better residuum upgrades

[simple anvil]

yeah fuel support is like the lowest priorty

[blissful epoch]

do this, but why?

[simple anvil]

kinda redundant to even have these

the No hazard/No support stuff

we mainly just use the colors

lol

but we use Red and blue so color blindness dosent really actually effect it

[quasi flare]

cant hurt

this spreadsheet is sponsored by the department of redundancy department

[dawn leaf]

I just want to say I hate the patrol mechanic

that is all

[simple anvil]

lol

:D

FYI thoughts on the new cheat sheet for the info

[dawn leaf]

personally I would never remember the colors outside of red maybe
S, NS etc are much easier for me

[simple anvil]

which is why their also included with the colors

[dawn leaf]

yeah, but I would have to go back and forth on the sheets

[simple anvil]

fair point

[tawdry sable]

what should i buy next in galaxy 8? accl or Data core improvement?

[simple anvil]

its also kind of a thing you have to get used to

[simple anvil]

uh accl imo

[tawdry sable]

k

[simple anvil]

cause with the data core you wanna also do the specR research

[tawdry sable]

i'm gonna buy data next, specimen research 2nd, fighter dur 3rd and finally max it with Compute +2's

[jovial wraith]

to the folks who put in the 1.0 stats for nodes later than s1 - thank you

my run seems to be going really weirdly, I killed bb1 + b5 and b6 all in one go last run but didn't have enough scrap to get the first s1 upgrade

took me a full second run where I got all the way to a2 and had like 45 leftover FR with nowhere to go, to get the first s1 upgrade

Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B4 Cleared
Run 2: BB1 Cleared, B5 Cleared, R1 Level 2, R1 Level 3
Run 3: B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, S1 Level 1, GF Level 1

probably owing to my sector depth I'd guess

[simple anvil]

#guides-tools-discussion for the updated Legend and Info sheet

[true crystal]

Sitting before B17 with 220 FR at 2.0x. Would you rather do a two-shot or dump the 220 into GF and make a oneshot the next round?

[jovial wraith]

two shot no question

[true crystal]

Why so? Oneshot would be 316FR

I'd bet a two shot would cost me more 🤔

[jovial wraith]

probably not, plus GF is worthless

[worthy moss]

maximize scrap gain per run

[true crystal]

I can only assume but the 220 FR from the sheet was with 1.75x (1.5k dmg). I did 2k with 2.0x

[true crystal]

the thing is, I have done everything this run, can't get more scraps. So it's either one more GF level and a oneshot of B17 next run or a split two-shot this and next run

[worthy moss]

hm

next run your excess FR is artifacts. so two shot i guess

GF is almost worthless

[drifting kettle]

i just finished pm2 selection, do you go left to get the next a2 or do you submit d1 to lower the debris? i did one going to a2, but then this run i thought maybe i should lower the debris to get up to the printer, but not sure what others are doing lol

[true crystal]

B10 / HL before D1

As you need the Heavy Cruiser for B11

[drifting kettle]

ok thanks for the confirmation, this galaxy is fun but little things to remember lol 😄

[jovial wraith]

alright what is going on with B11

the recommendations on the first page, don't seem to line up with what's recommended for b11 at all

so I'm very confused

[cyan sundial]

wdym

they perfectly line up

[jovial wraith]

I also don't understand how these images have "No Mediums" and they have HCs on them

[drifting kettle]

meh the game kindof tells you what route to do lol i just never looked close enough as b12 is on the left side so the game basically wants you to finish b10 and hl then go up to d1 b11 cl etc etc

[cyan sundial]

that I can't help with
but I think I used one of those and was okay

[jovial wraith]

how?

[cyan sundial]

how they do not?

[jovial wraith]

that's what I have left after PM2

[cyan sundial]

yeah, you need CL node first, lol

so then you would be able to do one of those

[jovial wraith]

... the CL node that is blocked by B11?

[cyan sundial]

sorry, not CL

HL

[jovial wraith]

ohhhhh

so the question is whether to knock out HL FR or start knocking down D1

[cyan sundial]

both ideally

but check your R nodes

if R3 is the lowest cost for you - break D1

[jovial wraith]

well this is what I'm looking at right now with first d1 bought

which has me scratching my head over not grabbing bb1/b5 steel

but buying more artifacts seems like a good thing too

[cyan sundial]

can't help with that

I was
Very unoptimized with my scrap, lol

at some points I needed to dump, like
50 FR into GF

[jovial wraith]

how do you view grabbing artifacts early on? especially with how sylv's seem to taken the approach that the temp-reset nodes, are more effiicent than the final repeatable node?

[cyan sundial]

I did grab artifact always

[jovial wraith]

and yeah I think I dumped like 46 into GF last run, just nowhere else to put it

hmmmmm

[jovial wraith]

I haven't bought any r2/r3 before this run... so you'd say go with this second path to grab HL now?

[cyan sundial]

can you use that 14.41 FR?

like clear B5 before dumping into HL

if yes - do it and then dump into HL

if no - yeah, just HL

[jovial wraith]

nah at 1.25x bb1 and b5 both are like 20-30 FR

[simple anvil]

How does that look for the legend sheet

[jovial wraith]

the red for hazard just confuses me because previously we were using that for "this is probably invalid now"

the ship order thing I think helps me more

if better solutions exist I'd hope the outdated ones at least get moved down

feel like I can follow along with the legend there 👍

[simple anvil]

awesome

added purple for starting ships

also added support nodes as orange

[mint shell]

Does anyone have a good layout for the final node of the galaxy (B17)? I can’t find it in scrolling.

[cyan sundial]

ehm

did you consult

The Spreadsheet

in pins

[mint shell]

I did not look at pins, ty!

How do you find pins, doesn’t seem to be on this page?

[ocean ridge]

top right

[simple anvil]

Three dots or the Pin mark yeah

Follow the post to view the pin mark

[pliant pivot]

Am i supposed to be able to auto complete battles like i have 2.0 stat after undoing stat node?
Wtf

[simple anvil]

if you undo while you improved your battle

it undo's it

[pliant pivot]

i can literally use 2.0 with auto complete without having 2.0
which can lead me to finishing the galaxy on the current run
because of FR saved

[river fractal]

uhh

[simple anvil]

oh

uh

what

[river fractal]

well, you still have to fight b17 with 1.75x stats

[pliant pivot]

no
because i will have enough scrap for 2.0
and i had to complete some side nodes like b5 for it

[river fractal]

🤔

[pliant pivot]

i did complete them
bought 2.0
went to b17
realised im 30 fr short
undo
and here i am

[river fractal]

hey how much does d1 cost

[simple anvil]

your missing scrap from d1

[pliant pivot]

I literally have enough fr now

For b17

And before undoing i was 30 fr short

d1 is 25 fr now

its clearly a bug...

[tawdry sable]

welp Sylv gonna have fun with this one

[pliant pivot]

or im missing something very important

so
how do i report it?

[simple anvil]

yeah my question is

how did undoing the previous battle break stats

Wait

i think i know what caused it

P node previous battles change

[river fractal]

it still only matters for one run like a lot of other bugs with artifacts and such that let you finish one run early

[simple anvil]

Yeah

i noticed the artifact thing too

[pliant pivot]

Its disgusting cheese -_-

[river fractal]

then you can not do it :P

[tawdry sable]

will probably get fixed soon anyway lol

[pliant pivot]

But finishing g8 in 9 runs

dammit

[river fractal]

lmao

[pliant pivot]

why would p node affect this?

i didnt undo any p nodes

i came to s2 - not enough scrap - finish some side battles - s2 - go to b17 - undo to s2

[simple anvil]

well i think when sylv changed

how p nodes worked when battling previous nodes not removing your ships

it somehow broke the stat undo for auto complete battle

[pliant pivot]

I sense another developer here
well ok it says that in your profile
But even if it didnt... 😛

[simple anvil]

😛

i genuinly know how most things work when it comes to things breaking lol

(I wish QA applications in most games payed attention to that >w>)

[pliant pivot]

The actual F'ing pain is to manually complete all the nodes to see if i can do it without this god blessed cheese
uh

[tawdry sable]

Sounding is another awesome dev huh? Well we love games so we have great respect for people like you.