G8/z52-8

[simple anvil]

101

90

(holy crap)

65 :Sob:

[hazy tundra]

That's without boss

[simple anvil]

THATS WITH

Lmao 😭

under 65

aboslutely beautiful

this was before

crazy how just removing two mediums changes everything

[wind olive]

undeploys your ship

[simple anvil]

Works with 1.5x too

This is stupid lol

vs eachother

[feral drift]

is this still valid

[simple anvil]

what is

[wind olive]

that

[simple anvil]

Yeah

So this is our path

[wind olive]

how mean is b11

[simple anvil]

Not that mean

but frigs help protect the HC

[wind olive]

seems like it's a 1.5 baseline fight in practice

i don't wanna do another run for s1-2 smh

[simple anvil]

yeah 1.5x is just so much better

b17 killed in 10 runs lol

Same speed as g7

[wind olive]

hmm, 1.25 bb2

[simple anvil]

bb2?

[wind olive]

bb1

[simple anvil]

k let me find it

[wind olive]

yeah im gonna have to figure out a bit more opti somewhere

i want both bb1 and b5 lol

[simple anvil]

Lol

try bb first

then b5

[wind olive]

b6 1.0 has a gain of 0.3 via advisor somewhere
b2 1.0 gain of 0.2

nice

but yeah it's not enough, hmm

[simple anvil]

Hrm

[wind olive]

.3+.2 from those advisor setups isn't enough either

for b5 -> bb1

maybe i just take the HL L

there's an annoyance with L1 where it applies retroactively to practice battles

so it's hard to check advisor for b8

it thinks i have the L1 corvette already smh

yeah i think ill just get gf 1 and then dump in HL then

[simple anvil]

Lol :D

its cause it dosent look for L's

just what ships you dont have

??

[thin pilot]

I just saw that

Who the heck marks it a spoiler?

This entire spreadsheet could be considered a spoiler

and who deleted the B2 no corv image?

[simple anvil]

let me get the no corv again

its back now

[thin pilot]

fixed the spoiler

[simple anvil]

ty

was fixxing it myself lol

[wind olive]

maybe it was that spoiler guy from yesterday

[simple anvil]

😭

[thin pilot]

what spoiler guy?

[simple anvil]

lmao

[wind olive]

someone got mad about unspoilered pictures of s137 stuff

in #sector-132-141

[upper kelp]

no one, if images aren't put properly in the cell they can move to the top of the sheet or hide behind other images

[thin pilot]

Ah yeah. I've anchored a ton of images

[simple anvil]

(i keep forgetting i need to paste it into the cell itself)

i keep pasting it with ctrl v

[upper kelp]

yeah i just fixed the b1-b8 tab, there were at least 8-10 loose ones

[simple anvil]

ty

[wind olive]

google sheets if it had a keyboard shortcut for pasting into cell

insert utopia picture here

[simple anvil]

i have a plugin for it

but doesnt pin it to the cell tho aparently

[wind olive]

isn't that like the only thing you have to do after pasting it in normally

[simple anvil]

shrug

[thin pilot]

That plugin sounds like ctr+v with extra steps 😉

[simple anvil]

lol

insane that i saved 55 fr on b13 tho

the army of pinning images lmao

[upper kelp]

that was me 🤣

[thin pilot]

Probably just paniced everyone with B2 as I shifted it around to make (no corv) next to eachother. Was no fighter, no corv, no frig, no corv

Now it's ordered by the suggested ordering where everything is together.

[tawdry sable]

HECK yeaH! we're now in business!!

[simple anvil]

now do B11 :p

[tawdry sable]

once i have fleet resources yes

had to spend them on this node in one run. i'm glad i only needed 1 run

[simple anvil]

ye

did the same thing

[tawdry sable]

so B12 needs Crusier i imagine?

[simple anvil]

Honestly

not really

[tawdry sable]

cause that node is gatekeeping a very nice damage boost.

[simple anvil]

but still best to get it though

yeah

[tawdry sable]

do you do B11 with 1.5 stats i imagine?

i just reached it

[simple anvil]

Yeah

I recomend it

[vast adder]

I found B6 0.3 but can't edit doc due to traffic

[cyan sundial]

found it

can't change spreadsheet right now
b10, no mediums, no fighters, 1.0, 35.34

[simple anvil]

Damn nice

[cyan sundial]

yeah, I guess I will give lower strength clears this time

since I'm not really leveling S node fast enough

[simple anvil]

Yeah the S nodes require two runs at minimum

[vast adder]

0.25 stats is huge

I'm on my 2nd run atm

I guess dump scrap into it and rerun to get it rather than R1 level 3

[simple anvil]

remember you can do math

following up to the S node so when you reach it you can then purchase it

[thin pilot]

Dear Sylv. Why does B5 have a hazard that doesn't work?

[river fractal]

it doesn't, because advisor doesn't save base hp and pretends it doesn't exist]

[severe trellis]

Is it just me or is the concept for g8 kinda off? Like the foresight required for the patrol nodes incentivizes using the spreadsheet more than the other galaxies.

If you were doing it solo, you'd need to just undo the entire run and try other ships

[thin pilot]

Honestly, g6 is far worse

[severe trellis]

g6 was just long imo

[thin pilot]

And I have a request to make future galaxies easier for this

[severe trellis]

it was largely linear and the biggest decision was cost/benefit of each F node

[thin pilot]

to have the practice mode allow you to swap out ships

And a lot of optimizations

So so many optimizations

[severe trellis]

i think it's better now with the new stat nodes

but i never went back

[thin pilot]

I didn't see G6 with new stat nodes if it is new

[severe trellis]

it used to be 0.025 increments or whatever with 10-12 levels

and now it's like 2 levels like g7/8

[wind olive]

g6 had a lot of room for reoptimizing due to the increments, but the general goal was still very clear

it seems easier to wall yourself off in g8

[severe trellis]

g8 is very, oops I guess I need HC here. time to undo the entire run. oh I spent artifacts already? welp

[thin pilot]

I mean, kinda? You optimize around where you're going

[wind olive]

undo entire run yeah

spent artifacts already midrun is man puts stick in bicycle meme though

[severe trellis]

I didn't realize it behaved that way cuz it's new

thought there'd be an undo on the artifact tree, but i guess the confirm button locks them in for that reinforce

[wind olive]

needs a superconfirm button

[simple anvil]

?

it does

[severe trellis]

is that the one that executes your fighters?

[simple anvil]

thats b4

b5 is a singular high damage laser every 2 seconds

[vast adder]

hmmm

[simple anvil]

glitched

already reported on it

on why it happens

[vast adder]

Is it a visual bug

[simple anvil]

gameplay bug

with practice and boss nodes

[vast adder]

Ah

[simple anvil]

Game dosent check if boss is active or not in practice

only cares about hazard/support

[river fractal]

something mentioned in testing is how it's really easy get stuck in g8 with like 100+ FR but because of the way g8 works, you can't spend it at all

because all the remaining battles are unkillable with your selections

[simple anvil]

honestly

didnt have any issues with it

[vast adder]

Cuz you need 200 for D1 right?

Or is that wrong route

[river fractal]

yeah part of that

once you reach that point

[wind olive]

why don't we just build a bridge and skip to the end smh

[river fractal]

then paying like 50 for arti node + 40 for L node and then having to fight B10

[simple anvil]

why cant we just hop from F1 to B17

[vast adder]

This ain't "Ships & Ladders"

[severe trellis]

what are we stupid?

[simple anvil]

Yes

blame AI

[tawdry sable]

Sylv put an invisible wall the size of a universe between them okay? don't question why our ship is too dumb to skip nodes

[river fractal]

otherwise B14 is unkillable without overdeploying armor tank cruisers and d1 costs 100 and its like ow

[wind olive]

ow

[river fractal]

well, you'd also die

[simple anvil]

when i did b14 D1 only costed 25

iirc

[vast adder]

It's actually a 2d representation of a 3d spiral

[wind olive]

maybe your guys but mine are built different

[vast adder]

B10 is far away from B1

[simple anvil]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1
Run 2: B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 2, GF Level 1
Run 3: S1 Level 1, B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 1
Run 4: HL Level 1, R2 Level 2, R2 Level 3, R1 Level 4
Run 5: R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared, GF Level 2
Run 7: CL Level 1, B12 Cleared, R1 Level 5, R2 Level 4, R3 Level 2
Run 8: S2 Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 5
Run 9: F1 Unlocked, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared

[river fractal]

reinforced one too many times

[simple anvil]

that was my path

[thin pilot]

@simple anvil I tried it before I killed the boss. I for the 'first' time. I noticed no change

That hazard does nothing

[simple anvil]

you can see the 500 damage laser

its probably just the fighters dying to fast

that its currently targeting

[thin pilot]

Possibly

[simple anvil]

big spooky laser

[vast adder]

The hazard is extra powerful laser from the boss on top of its normal lasers

It does 1shot Cruisers

[river fractal]

ya

it does work

[simple anvil]

big spooky laser

[simple anvil]

poor carl the fighter

[severe trellis]

Porkins nooooo

[simple anvil]

so when we getting agile fighters in galaxies

[river fractal]

those are agiles

[simple anvil]

nuh uh

they dont go zoom zoom fast enough

imagine it being like a 4x4 grid of fighters 💀

but they like pull no agro

[river fractal]

that's op, then they can just like sit and pepper enemies to death

throw em in UT and get heavy beam on there

[tawdry sable]

imagine if we get a rapid fire unit in galaxy 9. it's been a while since a new ship so it's about time.

[river fractal]

spoilers: weapons first

[tawdry sable]

instead of low hp, it has 1 ship and a mod that makes it die instantly but does insane damage. perfect base killer

[river fractal]

well well well

[severe trellis]

we getting a cruiser weapon?

[river fractal]

about time dang it

[tawdry sable]

nerf them first cough cough

[simple anvil]

When are phase enemies :(

[severe trellis]

does it shoot fighters?

[river fractal]

pls no

[simple anvil]

I want my phase

[river fractal]

reactive armor capital in fleet before phasing

trust

[simple anvil]

😭

lmao

thats a good way to counter fighter spam

[river fractal]

armor tank bulwark

[tawdry sable]

turn every unstable round 10 into a base battle. make us actually work for 10 20 30/ etc

[severe trellis]

G8 setting a precedent for barrier enemies is already a bad touch

[simple anvil]

anway g8 done in 7 mins

[simple anvil]

:D

[river fractal]

those hazards were in g6 too

[simple anvil]

we unlocked barrier enemies before phase

[severe trellis]

[river fractal]

wudafuq

[simple anvil]

so wheres barrier enemies in UT

[severe trellis]

g6 was like 4 months ago you can't expect me to remember that shit

[tawdry sable]

Imagine if SYlv just gives us barrier fighters as the final reward for galaxy 88 million. whatever final galaxy we get.

😂

[simple anvil]

Galaxy 69: Phase armor

aka [Title Card]

[simple anvil]

yeah g8 gets done in 10 runs like g7

just gotta grind arti's

nuh uh

[tawdry sable]

game is like "i dont' feel like using your fuel perfectly today, wait for 5 hours please."

[versed isle]

you rmeant to look forwadr but you dont need a spreadsheet for that. All the stuff was meant to be "obvious" tha tyou need X thing here. I mean, im sure thres probably some funky hyper optimal one thats not the ship I setup to be obvbious somewhere but

[versed isle]

10 runs? man testers slacking I think it was like 17-18+ ><

probably close to same difference as g5 or g6 though, ust those were way longer so goes from 50-60 to 30-40 and not as stark ><

[severe trellis]

how would we know the necessary composition for a fight 4 nodes ahead?

[tawdry sable]

i guess it was bound to happen when testers aren't trying EVERY fleet resource saving strat.

those guys will squeeze every time save they can

[simple anvil]

i even messed up resources slightly

[severe trellis]

we don't even know that once we're in the fight and are trying different things

[versed isle]

you can click it and see the enemies?

[severe trellis]

no

that's super not enough

placement and slot buffs are huge

[simple anvil]

juicy

[versed isle]

to determine which ships you need???

[severe trellis]

yes

also relative stats. we'd have to eyeball the difficulty value against our own stat mult

[simple anvil]

honestly i think G7 is actualy slightly longer than G8 lmao

[versed isle]

looking at your guys spreadsheet the default removal path is exactly what I had in mind assuming you kill bb1 first (which makes you ditch frig on PL1)

[tawdry sable]

yeah everyone gonna kill bb1 first. fixture X20 is way too good to leave untaken.

[wind olive]

i feel like i would be extremely reluctant to give up fighters as a general rule unless i saw a node that had like 5 enemy missile units

[simple anvil]

yeah fighters kinda dominated the end again

for b17

[wind olive]

the fact that fighter does get given up briefly post-b5 is probably something i wouldn't have come up with independently

at least before going into "ok iterate every iteration time" mode

[tawdry sable]

at least every fighter got to shine

our main starter ship got BB1. Frigate a lot of love

and fighter cleaned house

[versed isle]

you want corvette for shotguns and fighters for shield skirmisher on bb1 so you ditch frigate.
B3 dosent matter for much
B5 you obviously need fighters so you ditch cr=orvet and frig.
after b5 clear its semi flexibal but b9 has 3 armored skirmishers so keeping frig or ifghters works fine.
B7 means you obviously ditch heavy cruiser first cause you ned cruiser armor for them
Then it gets pretty flexible in general

none of that requires more than looking at the info you can see by clickinga node

[severe trellis]

It's similar to undoing to try a different printer on older galaxies, but now there's the added complexity of local printers

[tawdry sable]

i do really love the concept of galaxy 8 though. Hopefully it's not a 1 time wonder.

[simple anvil]

Maybe have a second popup for PL2 going through it the first time saying highly recommend keeping fighters and keep an eye on hazards

just to help a lil

[tawdry sable]

would be interesting to see a galaxy someday where you are forced to give up your crusier for a while to force people to stop relying on mister Armor king 😛

[unkempt hound]

I haven't completed G7 artifacts just yet, but more or less how many runs would i need to beat bb1 in G8? That fixture buff looking good

[simple anvil]

at s134 only 2 runs

[severe trellis]

why is b7 needing armor cruiser obvious?

[simple anvil]

s137 you can do bb1 in one run

i belive

[simple anvil]

at the cost of R1

[wind olive]

i mean i think that one was pretty straightforward at least

[unkempt hound]

Great, thanks

[severe trellis]

does it show that before you reach the fight?

[tawdry sable]

probably this

they are the only thing that can live long time

[wind olive]

yah, hazards are always shown

[versed isle]

you killed the base that puts it there

[tawdry sable]

^

[tawdry sable]

Dargonite probably hasn't done galaxies in a while lol

probably forgot that detail

[versed isle]

id imagine most everyone hadnt done galaxies for about 3 months lmao

[tawdry sable]

i did them more recently

when iw as testing phone version

to wait for patch :3

[simple anvil]

also i found out why theres some weird validations in the boss/commander nodes

[severe trellis]

i assumed those were people that were "finishing off" the boss with a weaker loadout

[simple anvil]

nope

has to do with practice not checking if the boss is there or not

only cares about Support and hazard

lol

[versed isle]

ah saw but havient actually read to understand yet haha

[severe trellis]

b11 had a 70/70 FR clear and i was like hmm sus

[simple anvil]

yeah thats because the boss was "dead"

but it wasnt

[severe trellis]

I don't know why it'd do that when the dead boss clear is cheaper though

[simple anvil]

always prioritizes lowest FR

and that priorty only checks the Hazard/Support

not the boss

[severe trellis]

like wouldn't the hazard only be there if the boss is there? or does advisor count practice runs?

[simple anvil]

yep

which is why its buggy

cause the boss is linked to the hazard but the practice mode dosent realize that

so you can have the boss turned off, but the game only checks if theres a hazard so if you complete it, it thinks the boss and hazard was killed

[severe trellis]

advisor taking entries from practice runs is kinda jank
the other thing I noticed was that if you went back to early fights after using patrols, you could load advisors and it would give you ships you don't have anymore

[simple anvil]

huh?

[severe trellis]

I could get it to give me fighters that i didn't have

i didn't do it cuz i figured it'd break something

[simple anvil]

thats because you removed the fighters in a future patrol zone

[severe trellis]

yeah that's what i said

[simple anvil]

and the node was behind the patrol zone

thats intended

[severe trellis]

uh what?

[simple anvil]

recent update

[severe trellis]

it was before that then

[simple anvil]

weird

[severe trellis]

like if you did bb1 cleared for resources, you would not have fighters as an option, but the advisor would give you fighters

or something to that effect

[simple anvil]

huh

never noticed that if that happened

because advisor only gives you the ships you currently have

[severe trellis]

it didn't

[simple anvil]

Weird

dont know what caused that bug then

[severe trellis]

I don't know if i can reproduce it now since there were changes

[simple anvil]

advisor always pulled from your current avaible ships

so idk what happened there

[versed isle]

oh like prctice mode, turn on hazard for that spot bu tnot base that is causing hazard?

[simple anvil]

yeah

and if you complete it, it thinks the boss is still there for the advisor

so these have the same advisors

[versed isle]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[simple anvil]

this dosent, this treats it like no commander ship is there for the advisor

easy simple fix is just any command ship thats currently effecting the same hazard is the same checkbox

Enemy Command Ship - Hazard X
✅ Active

just have to make sure that dosent mess up anything weird with other hazards that's not apart of it

[wind olive]

time to inflate my advisor numbers by having hazard but no command ship

[simple anvil]

xD

flagged, flagged, flagged

[blissful epoch]

i could not find this

[wind olive]

@simple anvil is this your layout? i can't replicate it

[simple anvil]

nop

not mine

[wind olive]

hmm

and that one was also just an attempt at the 35 fr clear

[simple anvil]

Green ships = Base
Blue = Defence Mod
Red = Damage Mod
Stripe = Both

thats what i use

[wind olive]

i use stripe red = unmodded and red = defense

[simple anvil]

but ye

let me try

seems not to be working

[sharp grove]

imagine if someone with no speedster try to use this format

[simple anvil]

tbh most people here do

[simple anvil]

just use the first one

[wind olive]

i have 36.67 set up i can stick into the sheet instead

but since there's two iterations of failed 1.25 clear it feels a little silly putting that one in lol

[simple anvil]

let me see if the 35 goal works

[wind olive]

yah it does

[simple anvil]

okay now im just confused

why does this show-

what

[wind olive]

wha

[simple anvil]

why does it show this advisor

??

[simple anvil]

Im confused

[wind olive]

@versed isle is b1 advisor 1.25 broken despite verification somehow?

[simple anvil]

Halp

CL and HL maybe bugged it in practice?

[wind olive]

maybe??

[simple anvil]

it shouldnt have tho

cause it dosent effect it

??

now its this

[wind olive]

wtf

[simple anvil]

huh

[wind olive]

are you just restarting the battle without doing anything else

to refresh advisor

[simple anvil]

im confuzled

halp

[sharp grove]

???

[simple anvil]

okay this is the original b1 clear

[wind olive]

is it

[simple anvil]

yeah

[wind olive]

i got like 37.X with the original

[simple anvil]

did you switch fighter

[wind olive]

oh fighter swap

[simple anvil]

dont know why it was put after the stats

usually its before

[simple anvil]

??

oh slightly ahead

[severe trellis]

shouldn't have cropped the 1.25x but you get the idea

[simple anvil]

ye

okay now thats better than the original

no real reason to keep the test one

okay but like

why

[wind olive]

how are you even getting multiple advisor suggestions

[simple anvil]

lmao

idk

[wind olive]

is there a trick

[simple anvil]

i went to 1.0 this time

[vast adder]

1.0 with 2 heavy cruisers

[simple anvil]

ty for whoever is doing the stat change tests

[versed isle]

uh wait whats the issue

[simple anvil]

B1 was being F u n k y

with advisor for some reason

[versed isle]

but now its not?

advisor does care about your ship counts btw

[simple anvil]

well

then why does this appear now

wait nvm

its technicly better 1.0 but like why would you go through the galaxy with 1.0 sob

[versed isle]

uh?

still not understanding

[cyan sundial]

HC

he has 2

and that's not overdeploy

[vast adder]

Means he got the +1 HC node

[versed isle]

ya

[cyan sundial]

yeah
and that's after B10

[vast adder]

But that's B1

with 1.0 stats

[versed isle]

the advisor for a non hc node haver is prolly different

[amber isle]

probably practice mode set it

[versed isle]

advisors not that smart, someone did a 1.0 with those and it set it

[amber isle]

dunno why you would do that though

[simple anvil]

im wondering why this one mainly happened tho
left is mine - right is solan

[wind olive]

there should be a 35/40 that's optimal with 0 extra ships at 1.25 but silver keeps getting random advisors instead of it

[cyan sundial]

oh, I can add my b10 1.0 clear

since google doc is free

[wind olive]

also you should post that one sylv

[fringe spruce]

sorry it was mine, was supposed to be this one, still havent found better solution from advisor

[wind olive]

o

but yeah that advisor one has to be cursed if 4 people haven't figured it out lol

[versed isle]

this is the advisor you get on a fresh visit without the extray heavy cruiser

[amber isle]

which one are you looking for?

[simple anvil]

yeah thats correct

[wind olive]

1.25 b1

[simple anvil]

yeah the 1.0 advisor is completely fine

[versed isle]

ok so whats the wrong or unfigured one?

[simple anvil]

1.25 is being weird

[fringe spruce]

b1 1.25 @amber isle

[simple anvil]

example

[wind olive]

What

[simple anvil]

what

huh

[severe trellis]

it just changed

[wind olive]

???

[simple anvil]

???

[wind olive]

oh ok

but for like 30 minutes before that

[wind olive]

there was a 35/40 and silver kept not getting 35/40 suggested

what the fu

[simple anvil]

sylv

What

is

going

on

[versed isle]

what is your ship counts

[wind olive]

no extra printers

[simple anvil]

im

[cyan sundial]

can someone check b9-b16 page on sheet

[wind olive]

no restrictions, since it's b1

[cyan sundial]

I may accidentally destroyed formatting

[fringe spruce]

yeah b1 1.25x best advisor just changed, someone found even better solution

[simple anvil]

How is B1 the most mently breaking one lmafo

what is going on

[wind olive]

im guessing the advisor is stupid and treats 1/1/1/2/2 as different from 1/1/1/1/1

[simple anvil]

yeah

[wind olive]

even though the former should inherit all solutions made on the latter

[versed isle]

it should one sec

[simple anvil]

it only makes sense if there is a better sollution

using one of them

such as this one

[wind olive]

oh nice

[versed isle]

so on a galaxy done save, both l nodes, 1.25 suggest that

is that not what your getting?

[simple anvil]

i exited the galaxy and came back in still isnt updating

hrmm

[amber isle]

for the 34.22

[versed isle]

uh, are you in galaxy, is the node finished, are you past p nodes?

[fringe spruce]

how did you found 2 best solutions so fast @amber isle ; o

[simple anvil]

not in galaxy currently

let me try in galaxy real quick

[versed isle]

this is my result when not ing alaxy

so uh

I dunno

[simple anvil]

in galaxy

still nothin

past p node

nothing

[versed isle]

do any show up

are you blocked?

[simple anvil]

its only 1.25

[versed isle]

send me your save I guess

or rather, save and restart and if still occurs

send me your save :P

[simple anvil]

hold on let me update real quick

[versed isle]

oh

[simple anvil]

didnt realize there was one

[versed isle]

if your on a different version I think advisor is persnickity

so it may be that

iirc it blocks newer version then yours from showing? maybe?

[simple anvil]

discord didnt give me the notif of the update

nor the game

womp

[cyan sundial]

"maybe?"

should we be afraid

[simple anvil]

ok yeah it works now

[cyan sundial]

that Advisor now is self-conscious

[simple anvil]

weird

so thats why the game updates, so the AI has freedom to do whatever it wants in the older versions

[simple anvil]

maybe you should add a version number to the advisor board

so that confusion dosent happen as much

[versed isle]

ah maybe

[simple anvil]

probably at the top

expand the box up slightly then show the Version number

[wind olive]

might be useful here too

[simple anvil]

eh could be in the bottom right

so its not intrusive while in battle

think version number in validation would be fine tho

[cyan sundial]

OH

I see what I did with formatting

I accidentally made whole b9-b16 page a table

idk how to make it back though

[versed isle]

that doesn thelp when it shows 0 because wrong version lol

errr 0 advisors

[simple anvil]

Hm

yeah theres no backward compatibility to it

[simple anvil]

uh try ctrl z

[cyan sundial]

impossible, when I already closed the sheet and opened it again(

[simple anvil]

its fixxed

[amber isle]

table dropdown has a revert to unformatted option

[wind olive]

ugh

dumping 50+ FR into gf feels wrong...

[simple anvil]

but its sadly correct

punished for being efficient

[wind olive]

where efficiency upgrade

im starving

[simple anvil]

lmao

[versed isle]

true

[simple anvil]

honestly i would get the base upgrade so you can get that reno faster

[wind olive]

i don't have the production shard yet

[simple anvil]

ah fair

[wind olive]

or oizys bases

[cyan sundial]

g8 is annoying in how much it wants S nodes

or I'm clearing it awkwardly

both can be correct

[amber isle]

except 2.0, not sure when that becomes worth it but you can clear b17 first without it easily

[cyan sundial]

yeah
but it REALLY wants 1.5 for b11

[simple anvil]

honestly had no issue

this galaxy is a fat "are you planning ahead?"

check

[cyan sundial]

I am not

therefore I struggle

and experience pain

I liked g6 a LOT more

[simple anvil]

lmao

with the 0.05 increases

sob

[cyan sundial]

at least g6 wasn't asking me to plan entire run ahead

[wind olive]

not even close

pretty funny how i still have so many g6 advisors lol

[cyan sundial]

same

[wind olive]

sylv should make a new currency - advisorbux
spend 5 advisor points to buy a single solution

[amber isle]

um, what

[simple anvil]

none in g7/g5

How do i have so much in g3/g4 actually

lol

guess this is what happens when you replay galaxies

[thin pilot]

Sanity check me.
This isn't possible right?

How do they have two small ships?

[wind olive]

L1

[thin pilot]

You have to get past this to get to L1

[amber isle]

its not a required node

[thin pilot]

oh

Gosh darn it

TY

[sharp grove]

ount

[wind olive]

ooh

there's a lot of nice b11 opti

137.73 one shot

still optimizing

137.02

135.71

think that's the end

[thin pilot]

B6 1.0x advisor is being weird. The doc says 36.26 and the advisor says 36.56

I can get the 36.26

[crimson sapphire]

Minor optimization: the default laser is better than the beam on heavy cruisers in B2 at 1.0x damage/no frigates. 30.95 FR used, compared to 31.35 with the beam.

[thin pilot]

Add it to the doc 🙂

I think the advisor has stopped updating.

I found two things that have a better than advisor and the advisor isn't updating

@versed isle hate to ping you for this but something on the backend may be broke

(preps to be banned for pinging)

[versed isle]

are you on latest vertsion?

[thin pilot]

Considering I wasn't earlier. Lemme check

[versed isle]

it wont show you advisors from a version higher then yours

[thin pilot]

Ok, I apolgoize for pinging. I thought I was. I guessed there was a patch today I missed. I probably closed the new patch notice in all the spam from fixtures.

Now I have the opposite problem. Someone found a better setup and the doc doesn't have it.

[wind olive]

yeah

[onyx scroll]

Phew had to optimize the hell outta that one

[cerulean field]

always take corv at l1?

[severe trellis]

B17 dead and like 16% done with artifacts

[river fractal]

🗿 I did it in 17 and sylv said it was fast, intended to be 20ish runs to clear

for g8

[thorn sluice]

Anyone have a good layout for post-boss B17?

[wind olive]

mad

surely there's some way to do this

hehehe

B17 316

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z52-8
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1
Run 2: B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R1 Level 2
Run 3: S1 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, GF Level 1, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2
Run 4: HL Level 1
Run 5: S1 Level 2, R3 Level 1
Run 6: B11 Cleared, R1 Level 4, R1 Level 5, R2 Level 3
Run 7: CL Level 1, B12 Cleared, B13 Cleared, S2 Level 1
Run 8: B14 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, R2 Level 4, R3 Level 2, GF Level 2
Run 9: B15 Cleared, S2 Level 2, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared

and that was all she wrote

[river fractal]

holy shit you guys clear it fast

[wind olive]

on the flipside, i took so long optimizing that i have a bunch of fuel

i could've rushed through this and started pushing main game an entire day ago 💀

[river fractal]

man I already asked sylv to reduce the number of artifacts you need to farm in g8

and then you guys still cleared in half the runs

[simple anvil]

😭

[sharp grove]

br

[river fractal]

although now that I think about, you also beat g6 in about half the time

[simple anvil]

lol

[river fractal]

one side of me wants to follow the optimal path in the spreadsheet but the other side wants to stubbornly clear it the original way

I have one stubborn advisor in g7 that i don't even know which one it is

[simple anvil]

lol

[regal goblet]

im stalling out at 138 🙁

[simple anvil]

i love how

cruiser just starts oneshotting at 2.0x

why is this so far down

i didnt see it till now

[sharp grove]

lol

[simple anvil]

lol

[wind olive]

how many runs did you do it in btw

im at 3005 artis at the end of r9

[severe trellis]

10 cuz of the locked artifact cuckening

[wind olive]

the what

oh right

[river fractal]

the what

[wind olive]

darg finalized artifacts without realizing it wasn't undoable lul

i did that at the very start of g7, manually rolled back, and just leave this checked now

[river fractal]

oh

[severe trellis]

yeah so i couldn't backpedal a run where i screwed up the ship picks

had already passed A2

something along the lines of oh B12 needs HCs, oh I can't afford this HC printer, now i want to change my focus for this run to buy D1, oh I can't undo

[simple anvil]

half of b7 runs arent Hazard notifications lmao

[wind olive]

hey hold on

1.1^37 = 34.003

where's that extra 1 FR going

[simple anvil]

love me some good palindrome numbers

[sharp grove]

i ate it

[severe trellis]

probably floor(floor(3400.3)-(0.9x3400.3))

[river fractal]

we've been scammed

[wind olive]

bad

[river fractal]

actually it's just you

you've been scammed

[severe trellis]

lol

mine is also 339

[river fractal]

looks like sylv ate it when he removed the .0 FR

[simple anvil]

my favorite battle benign

[river fractal]

'this is the frigate galaxy guys'

-> optimum path
remove frigate

[wind olive]

it seems to be a display issue only at least

[simple anvil]

to be fair half way through you gotta keep em

[wind olive]

the actual base FR value is FLOOR(100*1.1^(X-100))/10

the 10% is post-floor, as is the R node stuff

[simple anvil]

benign has a funny dificulty diffrence

well let me mess with positions

20.92

yummy

B10 is just completely destroyed by HC

lol :D

[river fractal]

rounding error

[simple anvil]

nah

im just built diffrent

(its a rounding error)

b13 got better again

love finding better advisors when your trying to find the advisor lol

yuge save from advisor

juicy

only 536.83 fr used

[cerulean field]

being able to clear b17 in less runs than it takes to clear g7 last battle is crazy

[simple anvil]

lmao

[river fractal]

[simple anvil]

evil sylv is like: Lets just switch G7 and G8

[river fractal]

that actually almost happened

[simple anvil]

Oh really in testing? lmao

[worthy moss]

damn. at B17 on 1.75x stats with just enough FR to do 540/2000 damage. i can spend this run and the next run's scrap getting to 2.0x for the boss

but then im juuuust short of the 1 shot

[simple anvil]

oof

[worthy moss]

if i do damage and buy R nodes isntead, im aslo shy

[simple anvil]

yeah i did 1.75x on b17, but i was able to grab 2.0x the run after that which is why i put the 2.0x after 1.75x on the sheet

[worthy moss]

for 1.75

[wind olive]

how shy is shy

i was shy of the 375 ones by 25 and then i found a 316 one

[forest hearth]

im getting headache because of this patrol mechanic

[worthy moss]

keep the ship(s) that is good for the next objective

[simple anvil]

honestly

i think the reason why g8 is faster than g7 is cause of having 2x battle stats instead of 1.5x

[river fractal]

stronk

[simple anvil]

B13+ not properly scaled for S2

[river fractal]

lol you just go max em out asap

[simple anvil]

honestly with our current saving measures

you can probably complete g8 in 9 runs

very heavy maybe

[forest hearth]

#1433895977257013358 message 😛

there are some big brains here

[simple anvil]

ah ye

but with current patch of bb1

its a maybe for 9

[tawdry sable]

what do you take at L1 after B11 is defeated?

[river fractal]

still taking corvettes

[tawdry sable]

corvettee? okay thanks mini 😄

[simple anvil]

L1 - Corvette printer

😂

genuinly thats its entire job

[river fractal]

yep you kinda need it

[simple anvil]

You have one job! and you do it well.

[wind olive]

it's still 1 run for bb1 right

you just have to split it into the 2 things and be s137

[tawdry sable]

LOL perfect level up

i'm so lucky

i'm exactly out of resources too

[wind olive]

nice illegal advisor xd

[tawdry sable]

Sylv Galaxy 8 might be too easy. I'm a casual Fleet runner who doesn't really use perfect resource guides..

[simple anvil]

yes, but you have to sacrefice perm progress to do so

aka r1

[wind olive]

hmm

surprisingly legal

that's -25 fr vs. the sheet

[simple anvil]

that 100% is

thats gonna get flagged

[wind olive]

it got validated tho

[simple anvil]

??

W h a t

[tawdry sable]

2 ships can take down an army? good lord

[simple anvil]

no it cant

[tawdry sable]

i know you have 2.0 stats but...

[simple anvil]

it cant

[sharp grove]

wat

[simple anvil]

the corvs and fighters barely live in the normal sollution

[wind olive]

it's with support

[worthy moss]

that's a reinforcement level

it could be possible

[simple anvil]

yeah

i dont think that works

[wind olive]

me neither

[simple anvil]

let me try

[wind olive]

idk why it's passing

[tawdry sable]

what does that one spawn in as friendly?

[worthy moss]

4 fighters or so

[wind olive]

4 fighters lul

[tawdry sable]

lol

[simple anvil]

?

[tawdry sable]

aka "SHOOT EVERYTHING as fast as you can!1!!" strat

and die instantly

[wind olive]

you have a frigate

consider not having a frigate

[simple anvil]

hmm

hold on

[tawdry sable]

i would be perfectly happy if Sylv finds a way to slow us down in galaxy 8 a few runs. I'm on track to clear it in like 13 or 14 runs as a casual Fleet enjoyer 🤔

that sounds too easy

[simple anvil]

still the same

oh wait

version again

[wind olive]

oh ok

[simple anvil]

version number lol

[versed isle]

uh whats the main culrpit to this being so speedy?

[wind olive]

sylv can you check that b16

[river fractal]

idk about you but that looks kinda impossible

[wind olive]

it passes validation but it shouldn't

[simple anvil]

s2

battles b13+ arent properly scaled imo

[river fractal]

more like we upgrade it too fast kek

[river fractal]

it's a puzzle galaxy and they solved it

[simple anvil]

lmao

[tawdry sable]

i think late galaxy is probably the main reason. There's not enough slowdown

[simple anvil]

maybe increase the scrap for s2

[versed isle]

no the puzzle solving is for like 15-120 clears not 10 lol

[tawdry sable]

people are beating B15 B16 B17 in ONE RUN

that's probably the main issue

[simple anvil]

cause currently for s2 its 225 and 450 right?

[tawdry sable]

lol

[simple anvil]

well b17 gets damaged in one run

for 1.75x

[river fractal]

for 2x you just win keke

[tawdry sable]

yeah but beating 3 nodes AND a base

3 NEW NODES

is pretty rare in past galaxies

[versed isle]

well 15 16 17 come after you setup f1 so you will get a few in a row

[simple anvil]

2.0 beams all three ye

[river fractal]

1.25x is a lot of stats

other galaxies and 1.05x stats

[versed isle]

is scrap gain just too high I guess?

I dont recall from runs that it was like zooming the upgrades

[cerulean field]

artifact upgrades?

those are still slow

[tawdry sable]

I think a scrap nerf will fix the speed problem

[cerulean field]

o misread

ignore me

[simple anvil]

everytime i went for a S upgrade i upgraded it with 2 runs worth of resources

[versed isle]

hrm

[tawdry sable]

35% less scrap would probably make it require about 4 or 5 extra runs.

[versed isle]

ok well maybe just drop scrap on a few

whey boy def cheated advisor

its passing validation???

[river fractal]

is it the same problem as you get 0 fr and it thinks it won

[versed isle]

oh its another target fr 0 advisor

[simple anvil]

i think some weird code is going on with the support

similar to the hazard bug

on bosses

[stiff blade]

Was able to get S1 lvl 2 on run 7, S2 lvl 1 on run 8 and S2 lvl 2 on run 10 which was also the same run I finished the galaxy. Definitely pretty crazy how fast those went by.

[versed isle]

ok well ill just add a check to not validate 0 fr results lol

[simple anvil]

Scrap
B1, B2 - 5
B4, B5, B6 - 10
B7, B8, B9 - 15
BB1, B12 - 20
B15, B16 - 25

[simple anvil]

well they can still happen

due to support nodes adding friendlies

and all regular ships dying

[versed isle]

oh right well uh... I dunno then it sjust a cheated result

which validator cant detect then lmao

[tawdry sable]

Galaxy 8 probably is too fast cause scrap is giving us a lot of resources pretty fast 😂 so yeah either increase resource cost on nodes or Murder the high scrap income 😛

[simple anvil]

these seem like fine scrap value changes

[versed isle]

5 O.o

[simple anvil]

you can still get one upgrade in R1 if you reach it for the first time

[versed isle]

first shoudl be 10 I still want R1 affordable first go without killing base

[simple anvil]

it costs 20 to upgrade at a time right?

[tawdry sable]

cause you buy S1 and max it out really fast. so that has to go.

if you couldn't max it so fast we wouldn't have enough damage to rush

[versed isle]

first is 20

[tawdry sable]

on Run 8 S1 is already done and the galaxy gets really fast once it's over.

[simple anvil]

mk yeah so getting one upgrade in R seems fine

[stiff blade]

You missed B3 which I assume you meant to give 10 which would get you R1 on first run

[simple anvil]

yeah

[versed isle]

wlel 5s still never been given before lmao

[simple anvil]

well galaxies did get a soft reset

:p

perfect time for it

[versed isle]

hmmm well ill paly with it

[simple anvil]

mk

[tawdry sable]

got some more info from another player

maybe take a look at how he did the galaxy

could help figure out the speed issue

[simple anvil]

think this would make it be around 15 runs for the galaxy

[tawdry sable]

he also beat it on 10 runs

[simple anvil]

well killed b17 on 11 runs

[tawdry sable]

probably ran out of resources lol

[simple anvil]

probably change the "Cleared" when not killing the boss to "Damaged"

[tawdry sable]

he managed to level up R1 twice on first run...

[simple anvil]

but you do lose out on BB1 boost

(if you dont undo cheese)

[tawdry sable]

i don't think Andrew really cheats

i think he just did BB1 later than us

[simple anvil]

yeah

just saying in general

[stiff blade]

Will throw my log for run 10 clear in as well. It's pretty similar though.

Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, R1 Level 1, B4 Cleared
Run 2: BB1 Cleared, GF Level 1, R1 Level 2
Run 3: B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, B8 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, GF Level 2
Run 4: S1 Level 1, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared
Run 5: HL Level 1, R1 Level 4, R2 Level 3
Run 6: GF Level 3, R3 Level 1, R1 Level 5
Run 7: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared
Run 8: CL Level 1, B12 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 9: F1 Unlocked, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R3 Level 2
Run 10: S2 Level 2, B17 Cleared, R2 Level 5```

Didn't realise how much stuff I leveled up on Run 3. Seems like a lot

[tawdry sable]

yeah your run 3 looks really productive

too productive

scrap nerf please o.O

[severe trellis]

Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, BB1 Cleared
Run 2: B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R1 Level 2
Run 3: B7 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, R2 Level 1, GF Level 1
Run 4: B10 Cleared, R2 Level 2, R2 Level 3, GF Level 2
Run 5: R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 2, R1 Level 3
Run 7: HL Level 1, B11 Cleared, R3 Level 2, R2 Level 4
Run 8: CL Level 1, B12 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, R1 Level 4
Run 9: F1 Unlocked, B15 Cleared, R1 Level 5
Run 10: S2 Level 2, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, R2 Level 5
Run 11: R2 Level 6, R2 Level 7, R3 Level 3```
scuffed in the middle which delayed HL until run 7

[simple anvil]

Maybe also move R3 behind B13

[stiff blade]

Hu. Clearing BB1 on run 1 is crazy. Didn't even try since I thought it wouldn't be possible.

[tawdry sable]

that's actually probably a good idea lol

[simple anvil]

Lol

[tawdry sable]

make it less linear feeling but eh.

who cares

[simple anvil]

i mean its just as linear

[tawdry sable]

path wise

but more splilts than before

[simple anvil]

its just you cant obtain R3 as fast

fair

could also just nerf the resource gain from R2 and R3

to like 0.05 or maybe 0.075

but would probably be punishing for more casuals

[tawdry sable]

my badge of dishonor. I'm not good at fleet Lol

[simple anvil]

so i think moving r3 behind b13 is better

[tawdry sable]

220 lol

don't need this many resources

[simple anvil]

lol

im honestly getting better at them

i understand why cruisers/frigs sometimes shoot more than 1 enemy

[tawdry sable]

watch him make B13 a one shot base.

just to slow us down Lol

[simple anvil]

dosent really follow the hazard tho

[tawdry sable]

true lol

[simple anvil]

also bosses arent on the main path

lol

except for the last one ofc

[tawdry sable]

i never noticed that

lol

[simple anvil]

Lol

[tawdry sable]

i just rush bases so fast

i figure they are meant to be done as soon as you reach them

Galaxy 7 being the exception now that it's been fixed

[simple anvil]

every single BB node is off to the side from the main path

[tawdry sable]

you actually need to get ready

the support node is needed

finally

[river fractal]

hey I could probably beat b17 in one more run

[simple anvil]

you should be able to do b17 in two runs no matter what with 1.75x

unless you didnt have enough fr for the first one

[river fractal]

uhh I can reach 2x stats next run

boss is hosed

[simple anvil]

ye

then use this one when you get 2.0

[river fractal]

just had 11 FR leftover in the last run xd

[simple anvil]

xd

[river fractal]

that also maxed out r1 and got a level in r2 and unlocked F1 for like 200 FR so boss is completely hosed now xd

[simple anvil]

ye

[river fractal]

just need to wait 20 more minutes for more fuel

[simple anvil]

but yeah adjusting scrap amounts slight and R3 behind B13 seems fine

would be the first time a hazard boss is protecting a green node tho

[river fractal]

🤔

[river fractal]

well rip the boss

bonus armor tank cruiser for fun

[simple anvil]

your wasting resources

jk

[tawdry sable]

once base is dead who cares :3

[simple anvil]

:3

[simple anvil]

repeatable node cares

[tawdry sable]

the giant drop in requirement is always fun

[river fractal]

well I dropped the cruiser because it didn't actually do anything lol

[simple anvil]

lol

[plain wind]

🤔

advisor appears to be bugged

[simple anvil]

what version number

[plain wind]

0.71.0.4

[simple anvil]

weird

wait

[cerulean field]

advisor always buggy if you're not on latest in my experience

[simple anvil]

yeah

advisor is buggy with older versions

[plain wind]

no one is fighting B17 with 1.75 huh?

[simple anvil]

check the sheet

i did

ohno

it got smited

[plain wind]

reupload?

[simple anvil]

uh

let me see if i can find it

found it

wait

think i found a better 1.75x two shot

by removing a corv

yeah i did

[plain wind]

what's the total FR spent for it?

[simple anvil]

thats if you dont get the 2.0x next run

hmm

how should we swap this around for stuff

there we go

1888 damage solution

[plain wind]

oh that's run 2

[simple anvil]

thats the 2 run if you dont get 2.0x damage after the first atempt

[plain wind]

I'm thinking it might be better to just put the extra FR into the GF node instead and just one shot with 2.0 next run..

[simple anvil]

pretty much if your on 1.75x this run. and next run your able to pick up the 2.0x damage use 1888 damage and the 208 sollution

[simple anvil]

this seem clear enough for stats and instructions