#G6/z69-6

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hollow glacier
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damn my advisor is tiny now

quaint cedar
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yeah, because now health/dmg is much more expensive now, i thought its better to get resources than pack it into health/dmg and got nothing....

hollow glacier
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until you hit a wall

quaint cedar
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yeah, then choose health πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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and walls are much easier to sense now

quaint cedar
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anyone want to try B26 from above? i got 90 Fr left and not much to do with it πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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you mean b28

quaint cedar
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yeah yeha. b28

hollow glacier
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eh
I may try, but earliest clear we got is 2.3x at 75

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and 2.2x at almost 100, which is obviously unusuable in your situation

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nah, I don't think it's possible at 2x with 90 FR
they shred through armored cruiser

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and fighters also can't tank that

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i mean
one of the bloodiest battles in all of g6, imo, is b36 for a reason

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it features just 10 basics

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and basic enemies actually strong

quaint cedar
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thanks!

quaint cedar
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anyone knows how to add empty cell between 2 filled one?:P

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need 2 empty cells where the red line is

light flax
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I don't know, so I would ctrl-X everything below the line and paste it two cells lowers to check if its works.

wet seal
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yeah, I wanted to ask about this, but it's really a pointless question. Tons of results in the spreadsheet are just obsolete waste of space now and can be safely deleted.

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the only ones that might be worth keeping are if there's a result that's only for, for example, 3.525, but there is no result for 3.5/3.75; then, maybe, it's worth considering that result for re-evaluation @ 3.5

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but the likelihood of such results is pretty damn low

quaint cedar
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anyone to figure it out ? πŸ™‚

hollow glacier
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so your setup was almost good

royal token
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oh man, B33 has me stumped, can't take everything out and do damage to the boss... not got levels in S5 yet so I guess that's the issue?

quaint cedar
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anyone knows B25 , 2.75 stats correct layout? One from spreadsheet doesnt work

hollow glacier
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yeah, since we don't have 2.75x layout there

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time for you to find layout

quaint cedar
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there is 2.7

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so in theory 2.75 should be better πŸ˜›

hollow glacier
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no

hollow island
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in practice

hollow glacier
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if you think that, you don't have enough experience

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with galaxies

quaint cedar
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i know reallity

hollow island
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you kill a ship earlier so you move forward and take damage

hollow glacier
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all breaks really easily with small changes(

quaint cedar
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i know because 1 ship survives longer, enemy ship may move completley different and it will change whole fight

hollow island
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chaotic

hollow glacier
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lol, advisor for 2.5 isn't validable

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this is almost advisor FR

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0.25 FR missing(

quaint cedar
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thanks

hollow glacier
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yeah, it's 0.25fr more than Advisor, but sadly, I wasn't able to come up with same FR fast enough

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like, it would require more than just changing fighters position

quaint cedar
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hmm, i just tried it and result is much different than advisor's i just dont want to sound ungratful πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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strange

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let me try again

quaint cedar
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advisor's setup has 2x fighters

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maybe you just paste wrong screenshot?

hollow glacier
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for me

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riiight

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I'm out of galaxy

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I have different advisor

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what's yours and how many FR it uses?

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this is my advisor

quaint cedar
hollow glacier
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damn, your advisor is much better, yeah

quaint cedar
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and imagine this missing FR actually would let me do 1 more node πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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let me try a little

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for my advisor I was able to get to 55.37

quaint cedar
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i need 100 FR for b36 πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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I need to save 2 more FR somehow

fickle flame
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vertically mirrored

hollow glacier
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vertical mirror is 2 FR worse, lol

hollow island
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???

hollow glacier
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as per usual

hollow island
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average day

fickle flame
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lmao

hollow glacier
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54.34, still have more to save

hollow glacier
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okay, I have zero idea how to save more(

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54.34 is the closest I can get, there should be something I'm missing

quaint cedar
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eh, rerunning almost every single node every 2-3 travells kills me, can't imagine that before change

hollow glacier
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that was easy
I just didn't rerun nodes most of the time

crude garnet
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Anyone mind giving me a set up for b46 a 3.75 fleet power. This galaxy has severely overstayed it's welcome and i really don't want to deal with this anymore.

timber turret
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Have you checked the spreadsheet?

crude garnet
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now that i know there's a spread sheet.

timber turret
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it's probably the best thing this community created lol

crude garnet
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that pin could probably use a description

timber turret
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Yeah true

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@sharp thorn

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Could you perhaps add a little headline

crude garnet
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On one hand it is pleasing just how many of my solutions to battles are either matching the spreadsheet or within 1 or 2 fleetpower of it.

On the otherhand that was probably 8sh hours of effort i could have not done.

quaint cedar
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once i clear G6, should i still pump S nodes or go for R? my current stats are 3.75

hollow glacier
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R nodes first

thick prawn
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🫑

solar fossil
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was there not a pin at one point showing ship set ups for certain levels?

hollow glacier
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it's still there

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first pin of the channel
G6 doc

solar fossil
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i cant find where it says which ships to choose on the L nodes

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i guess theres just the 2 L nodes, but for L1 do you go corvette or frigate?

hollow glacier
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ah

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I see what you mean

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do whatever you want, but most people choose fighers

solar fossil
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oh word

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wouldnt have expected that

hollow glacier
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well, it's, afaik, the most popular choice

solar fossil
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to block the volleys im guessing

hollow glacier
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and damage

solar fossil
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huh

hollow glacier
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fighters are quite good

solar fossil
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learn something new every day

hollow glacier
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they have suprprisingly high DPS, and can tank more hits due to the nature of them being oneshotted
but there's still another 8

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while corvettes get oneshotted and there's 3 left

solar fossil
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yeah it definetly makes sense

hollow glacier
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so fighters can actually deal with mediums somewhat well

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and a lot of clears, afaik, use 2+ fighters

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on google doc

solar fossil
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i just casted the idea of them to the side in g5 and never really used them

hollow glacier
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frigate 100% is the least popular choice

solar fossil
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where in the doc do you see the ship stuff?

hollow glacier
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I don't think there's any

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and I don't think there ever was

solar fossil
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im tripping then

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it could have just been a message someone sent with what ship layouts they were using

hollow glacier
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but, as you can see, a lot of clears use 2 fighters

solar fossil
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on this page right?

hollow glacier
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no

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on clears pages

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this is scrap calc

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not g6

solar fossil
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omg

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i was in the wrong doc

hollow glacier
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yes

solar fossil
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i see what youre talking about now

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ty

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i was so confused

fossil hedge
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Got something changed regarding the S-nodes? Looking at the sheet all the stats have 0.1 incrementals but the first node already gives you 0.25?

hollow glacier
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yes

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in last patch it was changed

fossil hedge
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Ah okay. Gonna try to help filling the sheet then roo7

warm plank
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is it an overall change in strength? or just different distribution by making it less levels? it feels kinda bad imo having to do multiple runs to do some early S nodes but idk if it was actually a change in stats

hollow glacier
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different distribution at least

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maybe max strength is lower now too, but I can't say that, since I don't remember

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but distribution is totally different now, sometimes you don't even cross with what was before
like 3.6 was important point

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now it's 3.5 into 3.75

warm plank
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hmmm yeah that does make it so that you have to spend more resources at first to get over that threshold ig, because you dont scale with those small steps anymore

fossil hedge
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Seems like you have six S nodes with 2 levels of 0.25 each. So you end up at 3.0x

hollow glacier
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you can't end up at 3.0

fossil hedge
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No wait

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One has three levels

hollow glacier
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you should end up at 4.0 at least

fossil hedge
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So 4.25, yeah

muted osprey
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HUGE

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probably just launched me to s125... lets give a shot

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Beauty

fossil hedge
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Tried to de-mess the spreadsheet a bit by italic/strikethrough the non-existent powers again

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Would you say it's better to completely delete them instead?

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Looks pretty clunky though

light flax
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If those values are impossible to get, then removing them completely seems fine.

fossil hedge
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They changed the scaling to always be .025 steps now, so yeah, they can't be reached anymore

verbal storm
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gonna calculate if going for F1 isnt worth it for BB2 so far at 2.75x its better to skip it

verbal storm
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added to the legend FH and A stats for quickly pasting

fossil hedge
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Can someone help find the correct picture here? Tried a bunch of 430 FR setups at 3.75 but I lack about 1k damage

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Nevermind, seems to work like in the picture, but has some rng in it. Got my 7919.84 dmg now

verbal storm
fossil hedge
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Did it already for most of the sheet

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Will eventually sit down and do the rest

fleet egret
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Hi, is there a bug on my side or is the image missing? Ironically, that's the one i happen to need

fleet egret
light flax
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it's not you, it's the document, somebody missclicked or sth and deleted/moved the screenshot

there's a 'view previous versions', if you go back far enough there is a chance that missing picture will still be there (after that you coud copy it, and fix it in current version)

fleet egret
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Costs 160 like the document, ran it twice, won, so it's either that, or i accidentally made another setup or something. I think it's this cuz the first run had like exactly 1009 damage

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I dunno how to put it in Excel, sorry

fleet egret
hollow glacier
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I fixed it

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it also was this

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at least according to history this was the last image there

fossil hedge
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it definitely was there when I did it. I also changed the text from "NOT UPDATED" to "UPDATED" xD

fleet egret
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At what Fleet Damage and Health can i ditch F5? After beating B33

ocean holly
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#1387177734215827549 message

fleet egret
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Thanks

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Oh those threads can have pins, i didn't know, my bad

ocean holly
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Np m8

charred grove
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I'm confused by B4. How does increasing your dmg/health reduce your ending stats?

hollow island
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you kill an enemy earlier so your ship moves forward and take damage

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(this usually doesnt happen)

charred grove
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ok...so it's fire rate differential there that's killing me

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not killing, but "killing" my efficiency

hollow island
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this reduced but didnt completely prevent the issue

charred grove
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what's wild is that in this case, it isn't tied to a "little bump". it's everything over

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I mean, there must be a better solution out there...hrm.

hollow island
fickle flame
charred grove
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I'd also like to know how mirroring against an even enemy layout isn't the same.

hollow island
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some thing to do with "which target to move forward/shoot at when 2 targets are the same distance"

hollow glacier
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easy

charred grove
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I was just about to postulate that it's the queue order in the data structure πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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when you have 2 identical targets

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ships choose higher ship

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always

charred grove
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"northern" ship?

hollow glacier
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if 2 enemy ships have same distance to both, and same class, it always choose higher ship

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yes, you may call it northern

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that's why mirroring creates sometimes different results

charred grove
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gotcha

hollow island
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whats north in space

hollow glacier
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that's why I said "higher"

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since screen is 2d, higher on the screen is easy to check

charred grove
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higher is a nebulous term without a target. higher position.

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but I knew what you meant earlier.

hollow glacier
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anyways, yeah, it's easy to test

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and that's why mirroring sometimes is different

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but not always

charred grove
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no, that makes sense. in a deterministic sort of way. clearly the solution is to randomize even distances. πŸ˜„

hollow glacier
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and that's why all of this is inconsistent

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because even small positive change may create negative reaction

charred grove
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Or, in the case of B4 cause your ships to run faster and faster into the missile barrage

hollow glacier
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yes

supple mantle
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does anybody have any advice on when is it a good time to reinforce mid G6?

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this is what I have so far

hollow island
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renovations + fast fuelling

supple mantle
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should I be getting the first 4 rows maxed out first or rushing straight for those two upgrades?

hollow island
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rush

supple mantle
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sounds good, thanks

austere adder
fleet egret
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Is this good enough for reinforcement? I'm wondering if i should get those Capital Damage/Health nodes first

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Also sorry for quality, Discord's been slow lately on the PC

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so i just took a pic

hollow glacier
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why your fuel efficiency isn't 5/5

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max it, and go for reinforce

fleet egret
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alright

fleet egret
fickle flame
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those are the only things that are useful

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if you have enough you could take keep supremacy to help yourself with a little qol since you seem to have overshot the mark on artifacts

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everything else is irrelevent

neon haven
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advisor says this is possible, but I'm not even getting close to beating it. Any ideas how to position my ships to get it?

neon haven
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another one that is even worse, I'm just getting crushed hard

fossil hedge
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did you look in the spreadsheet?

fossil hedge
neon haven
fossil hedge
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then ignore the advisor πŸ˜„

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For the spreadsheet take fighter first always

neon haven
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I already did KEKW was just wondering how the hell the advisor did it

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ty for the B13 one, was alittle bit better than my solution

hollow glacier
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target FR

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okay, I actually found the same advisor

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oh, you were wondering for b13

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and spreadsheet wins by 0.01 FR over advisor

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btw

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if I have the same one at least

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no it's not the same

neon haven
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I didn't beat the target FR I wasn't able to beat it at all with the advisor's ships

hollow glacier
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I think I even remember that one

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I'm asking for Advisor target

neon haven
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ok I don't understand then

hollow glacier
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sad

neon haven
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do you mean this?

hollow glacier
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yes

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but for b13 that you posted

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I'm getting close to being able to clear it

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just need to find exact solution

neon haven
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that is for B13 with 1.75 but now there is one more corvette

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idk why

hollow glacier
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and that's a different solution

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one that is easier I would say

neon haven
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yeah when I clicked Advisor earlier (when I posted the screenshot) it was 2 corvettes

hollow glacier
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this clears

neon haven
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now it's 3 but my stats didn't change

hollow glacier
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for me, that's out of galaxy, it's 77.75/80

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since I don't know exact threshold I need to go over, I'll just leave it, as spreadsheet clear is better

neon haven
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ah I don't have a heavy cruiser in practice that's probably why

hollow glacier
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or at least something close

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since I vividly remember that positioning, and that's why I was able to find b13 clear with 2 corvettes that fast

fleet egret
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I finished B46, on 3.75 fleet atk/health, do i bother with leveling up S6 or should i dump all the scrap into R nodes?

hollow glacier
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R nodes

fleet egret
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Okay, that;s what i thought tbf, thanks

gusty fog
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running b1 with 2.0 stats, you can get 13.89 if you disable corvette shields

fickle flame
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this chat become dead now kek

jagged tundra
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Pinned spreadsheet was super helpful to me. The galaxy minigame was fun at first but G6 feels terrible to me because there's so many moving parts and the ships have such finnicky AI that figuring out an optimal solution is super laborious. I just wanna idle my spaceship, man.

hollow island
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this game is less idle than originally intended

nova river
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thats just the fate for every idle game out the honestly

neon haven
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the thing that annoys me the most is upgrading stats leading to worse battle outcomes

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I just don't understand how that is possible

hollow island
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should be rarer after the S node update

hollow island
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fleet is chaotic

neon haven
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to the point that you are now losing battles that you previously won with the same setup?

hollow island
charred grove
jagged tundra
neon haven
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yeah if you only had to find solutions one time per battle and then just let auto-improve do it's job it would be a lot less annoying at times. If you want to do that on your own go ahead but if I'm just not really that interested having auto-improve be actually decent would be great as an option

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because redoing 40 battles becomes tedious fast

spark jasper
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what's the hotkey for autocompleting a fleet node?

undone yoke
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right click

spark jasper
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do people reinforce partway through G6?

fickle flame
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yes

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base renovations + fast fueling is the key one

jagged tundra
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At some point the B6 column got wrecked.

hollow glacier
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I will try and restore it

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oh god

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...

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it's hard to restore that column

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too many changes that I do not understand

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I restored like
3 battles

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and then I really don't understand wtf is happening with those changes

silver tendon
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hm

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this suddenly became way more complicated

hollow glacier
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yep

silver tendon
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well, i guess ill send this here, cause the game says i can beat it like this

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but i cant figure out the layout, this is as close as i can get

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ends with both medium shieldeds still up and one ofthe snipers down

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and i guess no one in the spreadsheet took a second corvette

hollow glacier
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yes

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almost always people take 2 fighters

silver tendon
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for all of galaxy 5, i took a second fighter as my first option, seems like i should have kept doing that

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guh

hollow glacier
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this should be easy though

silver tendon
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ill just... undo and do that instead

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or

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not

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i jsut cant wrap my head around whats gonna happen before i press start battle

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so im just guessing most of the time

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cause even if i place the ships across from what they do the most damage to, it ends up meaning nothing with all the other things going on now

hollow glacier
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what's target FR?

silver tendon
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1.8

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so i know im super close

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and it says it works i validate it

hollow glacier
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sorry

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1.8?

silver tendon
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mhm

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98.2/100

hollow glacier
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this works with 105.78 outside of galaxy

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inside should be lower

silver tendon
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let me try that

hollow glacier
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and you're at 1.8 margin...

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finding 1.8 margin is hard

silver tendon
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yeah

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i think theres a single arangement that works

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no wiggle room

hollow glacier
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I will give it a few tries

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but overall I would recommend getting 2 fighters

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they're used a lot across this galaxy

silver tendon
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yeah im gonna undo this run i think

hollow glacier
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I just tried it

silver tendon
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as in it failed where the layout you sent worked

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at least i can easily get back to b9 with the spreadsheet

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though i bet some will already be whats on there

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like b4 was

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im proud of myself for not needing this spreadsheet for g5, but man

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definitely a bit too much for me now

hollow glacier
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this was the closest I got

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but still 3 enemy ships were alive

silver tendon
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oh well

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2 fighters makes it way easier

hollow glacier
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yes

silver tendon
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not that i have enough fr left to try b10 but at least i can make it there for when i do

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ty for the help

grand wren
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what is the fastest way to gain artifacts? I have finished b46. currently sitting at x3.75 but have last 3 rows of upgrades left

charred grove
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beeline to the end, spam last artifact node

fickle flame
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take all the other artifact nodes too

grand wren
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no need to finish rest of R/S nodes?

hollow glacier
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you will work on them unintentionally

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you'll be getting through a lot of battles and farm a lot of scrap anyways

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so just use it on R nodes, they're more worth it than S nodes
if you need to clear 1-2 more battles to get to R node - do it, why not, it's probably worth it

grand wren
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cleared G6. I felt I missed some scaling of sort. had to travel to the galaxy 18 more times after finishing B46 to get all artifacts!

undone yoke
grand wren
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yeah. I think I was getting around 1.2e4 artifacts per run

brisk monolith
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B21 NS 2.25x-40.58 2.5x-40.14

nova shuttle
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ah funny, the 2nd last galaxy 7 capital ship fight I managed to get a double KO.

steel knot
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Not too sure on doing stuff with the spreadsheet, but this one, x3.75 can be improved by taking off the Armor from Frigates. 67.9 -> 66.83

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B42

charred grove
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In other cases I’ve seen, just add: (frig no armor)
In parenthesis next to the 3.75x-66.83

jagged tundra
spark jasper
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dat bb2 reward 😍

pearl galleon
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do we have battle guides for G6?

timber turret
silver tendon
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hey uh, think i found a little bit of an issue with the spreadsheet

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2.5 for b32 doesnt exist

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and is instead just b33

naive inlet
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someone fucked up cells
press right click on the wrong one β†’ show edit history, check previous images there

silver tendon
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2 versions back

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ty

pearl galleon
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thx

gleaming pagoda
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im seeing some issues with the sheet too.
B6, the image for 1.5 is a B5 image.

trying to find the 1.5x - 18.28 that is claimed

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the image cell B7, IS of B6(battle 6) but that layout absolutely does not give me 18.28... it doesnt even give me a better score than 1.25

hollow glacier
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you can try to fix them

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sometimes it's hard to fix parts of the shieet(

woeful goblet
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Is there a guide or explanation of how targeting works in Fleet battles somewhere?
I'd love to be able to adjust targeting priorities for each ship type.

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Also is there an optimal L1 ship choice? I like Frigates and Fighters pretty evenly but it seems like a thing somebody has probably optimized.

hollow glacier
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iirc, that's the rules

woeful goblet
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Highest being highest starting health I assume?
It would be so nice to get them to stop trying to all shoot the same ship. Some kind of "overkill avoidance" or something.
Looks like there was some bug where only two beams could target one enemy at some point. Would be a nice feature for fighters.

naive inlet
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That's why its always a good idea to try different layouts
Because it depends a lot on starting grid

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Also flip your layout whenever possible to check if it's better
It often is

hollow glacier
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highest being
Well
highest from top to bottom

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on vertical scale

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that's why mirrored setups don't always work the same

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because highest ship changes

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and range to ships also changes a little bit because of that

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and that's why changing guns on fighters can lead to big changes in FR

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because they can engage enemies from higher range

woeful goblet
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Thanks.
I mess with my layouts a decent amount but definitely don't min-max them as much as I could.
I think I'm mainly thinking of UT battles after the cells are full. At that point, regardless of layout, I tend to end up watching a bunch of Fighters and Corvettes focus firing things one at a time with 3x-10x the damage needed to kill the thing and 10+ valid targets nearby.
Though I guess the enemy must be using the same logic and would benefit equally from any overkill avoidance logic.

hollow glacier
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yes, enemy uses same logic

woeful goblet
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Wow. That logic really comes into play for B22. I'm too embarrassed to say how much the spreadsheet layout saved over what I had run previously.

tropic sable
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The first image of B32 seems to be the one of B33.

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I used the layout of the second image and changed it a bit to obtain 96.85 with 2.5 bonus, here is the image if you need it.

hollow glacier
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this was the image

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restored it

spark jasper
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never reinforced during galaxy 6, ama

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the secret ingredient is time, to paraphrase Superhans

spark jasper
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dang gonna take a bit to finish the artifact upgrades

empty lotus
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So I looked at the spreadsheet to figure out a couple battles, and I'm now wondering how people end up with the weird amounts of fleet power listed? Is there some way to get fleet power besides shipyards?

naive inlet
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GF

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Ah wait GF doesn't give stats in g4 - g6 now
Didn't know that

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Well, it used to
And it was a HUGE pain in the ass for both devs and players

empty lotus
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Ya, that's what was confusing me, I guess that was a change so some of those old results are no longer valid?

naive inlet
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And by valid you mean... ?

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You should try everything close to your current stats

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There was a big issue of "have more stats - get worse result"
It is still there, but afaik lesss than before

empty lotus
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Sorry just mean some of the setups I couldn't do because I was missing like 0.01 fleet power or whatever

naive inlet
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Oh that was an issue too
getting 0.00000000000000000000000025x stats resultin in -1e6 FR usage

spark jasper
#

should I put better shards in my key shard slots? does that matter?

sly berry
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Do I see it correctly that there is no guide for B46 yet?

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is x3.75 enough?

hollow glacier
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you do not see it correctly

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okay, lol

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it was either vandalaized or something

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4 days ago

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let me try and restore it

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yes, whoever is the bad person who added this

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also deleted EVERYTHING ELSE

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I will delete this

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@sly berry kinda restored parts of the sheet

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you can check it out now

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I think someone tried to reorganize sheet

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but ended up vandalizing it

sly berry
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ty

odd gale
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someone removed all the important stuff for B22 aswell
it has to go back for at least 1 version (also happened on nov 30th)

naive inlet
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Right click the wrong cell β†’ show edit history

odd gale
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already did that and helped out to find the solution for B22
but i dont feel qualified to edit in this holy spreadsheet...

hollow glacier
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@sharp thorn maybe it's time to, at least for some time, protect the spreadsheet? and, idk, create new tab for new solutions, which are unlikely to happen

sharp thorn
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I made a copy on oct 14 in case somebody griefed it

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i haven't looked at this thing in months. you guys went ham

hollow glacier
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can you post protected copy, so stunthacks can pin it?

sharp thorn
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like a copy of the current live one?

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it's not broken at all atm as far as you know?

hollow glacier
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ideally oct.14 copy

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because the only big change that happened in last
a lot of months
is power squishing

sharp thorn
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power squishing?

hollow glacier
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well, not squishing, actually
we just now have steps of 0.25 power

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previously it was all over the place

sharp thorn
#

yeah the oct one was pre stat change

odd gale
#

also the pinned calculator from sola isnt available anymore
if you try to open it, you see a cached version for a second and then it jumps to an available page of the spreadsheet

naive inlet
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oh ic

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im either delusional
or the last time i checked it worked just fine lol

naive inlet
#

Yeah yeah it would take a lot of time
But it's long overdue

hollow glacier
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well, problem is redoing it while it's
kinda broken/vandalized/idk

gilded scarab
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B4 S: 1.25x says it yields to 26.88, but I'm not getting the same result. I'm getting a result worse than S: 1x - 32.05

hollow glacier
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do you have support?

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because I checked and it absolutely works

gilded scarab
#

I do have the F1 Support node enabled

hollow glacier
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well

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then show the battle screen

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because I'm pretty sure that you're doing something wrong

gilded scarab
hollow glacier
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...

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you know

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it's very hard to believe that you're not trolling

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why you didn't choose fighter at L1?

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this clear is made with L1 fighter
you chose nothing at L1

gilded scarab
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Oh man, I forgot to :/

hollow glacier
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so obviously you use 10 more FR

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because that's cost of overdeployment

gilded scarab
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Okay, I'm an idiot, sorry

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Yea, that is my mistake

gilded scarab
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Okay, this time I know I'm not crazy, I hope... I think I double checked everything, but it seems like B6 1.5x does not yield 18.28. I get 25.32 instead. So am I doing something wrong here?

trail arrow
#

it seems that the ppl who uploaded the pic goofed

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This is the 18.28

hollow glacier
#

I think that b6 is possibly vandalized(

true steppe
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Has anyone found a good build to beat bb2 ?

hollow glacier
#

did you check

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the spreadsheet?

true steppe
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The doc is unupdated

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yeah

hollow glacier
#

you're either joking

true steppe
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older

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new

hollow glacier
#

let me run one of "not updated"

true steppe
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okok

hollow glacier
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what power?

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2.25? 2.5?

true steppe
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2.5 but i just realised what i did

hollow glacier
#

okay, stop

true steppe
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i did not buy f1

hollow glacier
#

yes

true steppe
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ok i'm stupid

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sorry to take you're time

hollow glacier
#

nah

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it's good

true steppe
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thanks for the help tho

hollow glacier
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updated 2-shot was vandalized

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i got it back
not sure if it's the right picture though

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but that's the only picture in history of this cell

true steppe
#

Thanks a lot 🫑

hollow glacier
#

yes, it works

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2-shotting

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without your question I wouldn't notice that it needed to get picture back

true steppe
#

fair trade i guess xD

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Have a good day!

trail arrow
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B6 for 1.5x and up

gilded scarab
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Some battle nodes Hazards can't be removed, right? Like G6 B17 will always have a hazard?

hollow glacier
#

yes

gilded scarab
#

I think B46 is the same, it doesn't go away? How do we know which ones go away and which ones don't? I don't see any indication on the node itself that states this until you complete it and see if it went away or not.

hollow glacier
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it does

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when it caused by base on the node

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it goes away

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or when it's caused from another node

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or when it's caused by command ship

gilded scarab
#

Okay, so if the node which causes the hazard has a command or base ship (the ones with health) then those hazards go away afterwards. If the node simply has a hazard on itself and no command/base ship, it's forever.

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I guess that means for G6 the only node which has a forever hazard is B17

hollow glacier
#

pretty much

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no

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4 nodes

gilded scarab
#

I checked and found B26 and B42, but which is the other one?

hollow glacier
#

oh

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wait

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g6

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damn, I'm stupid
i thought we're in g5 channel

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for g6 it's b17, b26 and b42, yes

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it's just g5 has b17 as forever hazard too

gilded scarab
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I'm going to make a nicer spreadsheet, so I want to have some way for a person to indicate which hazards they got rid of and it auto filters setups based on that, but since those are forever hazards, beating the node is moot on whether or not the hazard goes away. The current spreadsheet is super helpful, but it has damage/health amounts you can't attain (like 2.10) and it has missing values and people replaced images improperly, etc.

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I think these are the only hazard nodes that can be completed (for G6) which remove the hazards: Node B10 | Hazard Node
Node B16 | Hazard Node
Node B21 | Hazard Node
Node B22 | Hazard Node
Node B33 | Hazard Node
Node B41 | Hazard Node
Node B43 | Hazard Node
Node B46 | Hazard Node

hollow glacier
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Can't help with that, because I don't see hazards now

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only constant ones

gilded scarab
#

good point, my early ones are gone as well.

hollow glacier
#

you can also ask dargonite for his october copy of the sheet

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it should be same as it was before all the attempts to improve

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which ended up in vandalization

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but from what I know

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Sylv wants to add auto-clears

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also #wiki-stuff you can try to talk to stunthacks

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about adding spreadsheet to the wiki

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I think it would be the most beneficial

gilded scarab
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Yea, once I finish the coding side of it and it just needs data, I will share it with whoever wants to own it, help fill in whatever data I can, but I don't want to be owner of it. Just want a nicer spreadsheet experience.

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so I'm using named functions, table data (instead of images), filter functions, etc.

icy basin
#

Any assistance on B14? Can’t seem to even beat the original ships let alone the reinforcements

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Never mind I found the right box on the spreadsheet

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Was hard to navigate and see on my phone

trail arrow
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at least it is not deleted like bb1 page one

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1 row got deleted

fickle flame
#

I'm pretty sure you get a support for that one

slow laurel
#

How bad do i need to get to s123 to start doing g6 runs? Should i start now?

gilded scarab
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Bank your fuel until it nears max saved (4 Days), then use as much as you need based on your activity vs idle to make sure you aren't wasting it.

slow laurel
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Should i push for B6 renovation and reinforce? Or build up more artifact upgrades?

hollow glacier
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imo - push and reinforce

minor hinge
#

The entirity of B22 with hazard is gone πŸ™

trail arrow
#

someone vandalized it like always

thick lotus
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Am i missing something or i just dont see the heavy cruiser in the option?

hollow glacier
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it's in M1

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you don't have starting heavy cruiser yet

thick lotus
#

Ah okay,dont know why when i read the HF node i was thinking about starting one BennettSorry_DalasQuil

hollow island
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foundry printer

icy basin
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after getting the heavy cruiser at the start with HP, what do people normally get at M1? cruiser or heavy?

gilded scarab
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I found that I have always gotten Fighter at L1 and L2 and always gotten HC at M1 even after getting HP.

hollow glacier
snow willow
slow laurel
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any advice on best upgrades to get for first G6 reinforce? i already got B6 reno and 5x astrium fuel

hollow glacier
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cap.stats

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and everything that's cheap

slow laurel
#

what about crew supremacy?

hollow glacier
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ignore it

#

you will get it back in like
3h

meager aspen
#

where do I find the spreadsheet I keep seeing mentioned?

undone yoke
#

πŸ“Œ

meager aspen
#

oh, in the thread list its in the ... menu, not just on the bar. That's why I didn't see the pins. Thanks

snow willow
thick lotus
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I cannot open the spreetsheet on phone,is anyone kind to show me the b33 one πŸ™

slow laurel
#

I actually ended up finishing up to B46 and filled out a lot of the upgrades before reinforcing. So ya way overdue

thick lotus
#

Danke very much

sharp thorn
#
- FR usage in fleet battles is now rounded```

hope ya'll like broken advisors
shy forum
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yeah but is that a good thing or a bad thing, same set up and stats and I got 3 more fr... (B1 G7 1.5)

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every single fight, even the most tight are still a good sum of FR gain, if you do 15 fight node you should be able to do one more fight with this pdate

sharp thorn
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that's not the point. obv the same fight will do better if it's FR cheaper

shy forum
#

true

sharp thorn
#

but now the entire advisor library of 300k entries or whatever is wrong

#

so you'll end up with "worse" fights scoring better in the interim

shy forum
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Oof, yeah didn't think all the previous entry will NOT calculate from the new base... welp Good luck everybody ._.

sharp thorn
#

and probably the validate feature won't work anymore

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since it's going to try to match the clear FR with the simulation

shy forum
#

some still works.

sharp thorn
#

if they finish the same yeah they would

#

not sure how the rounding is implemented

shy forum
#

well, quite the opposit of the same here

#

monoship battle gain the most of this update

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cause as long as it survive you gain WAY more FR

#

TBH only numbers need to be tweek, comp and how to win don't change

hollow glacier
timber turret
#

Hopefully it's enough to just clean out the non-rounded ones

hollow glacier
#

also, we may have rise of DIFFERENT clears

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because now having a lot of damaged ships is much more beneficial than having a few full alive ships

slow laurel
#

I literally reinforced a few hours before the update. Fuuuh

austere adder
hollow glacier
#

also FR usage of current clears may be invalid

meager aspen
#

When I complete the start with a heavy cruiser node HP, what should I start picking at M1? A 2nd heavy cruiser? A 2nd regular cruiser? Edit: Going off the spreadsheet, looks like a number of fights after that point start to rely on 2 heavy cruisers

hollow glacier
#

most people pick 2nd HC, yes

shy forum
#

for B15 the top position is better even in 2.25 now (33- 34 respectivly for both position with their respective stats)

robust trout
#

Does anyone have the spreadsheet for B46? I’m on phone rn and it won’t open, I’m trying to check myself against the best

shy forum
#

BB3 3.25 310 FR : 1st attack stay the same but on 2nd attack swap the botom Cruiser with a frigate it work I just won !
FR used : 170 + 124 = 294/310 instead of 313.17/340

balmy current
#

how come some stats listed in the sheet are not multiples of 0.25? Every single Shipyard in G6 is 0.25 so I dont understand how you can get something like 2.525x. Changed in a patch perhaps?

austere adder
#

it used to not be like that, the s nodes were smaller an dhad more increments

balmy current
#

ahh

shy forum
#

like most stats are now BETTER due to the new calculation of FR for each "alive ship"

balmy current
#

is there no solution for B43 with 3.0x?

hollow glacier
#

please try to check history

balmy current
#

i did, but the history screenshot had 3.2x, probably why it got removed

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i kind of doubt 3x is viable unless you spend ludicrous amounts of FR so i started grabbing S5 instead

hollow glacier
#

some clears can work on a few different strength levels

balmy current
#

well i tried it and it did zero progress on the boss rather than one-shot it :p

hollow glacier
#

damn(

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then sorry, I have no idea

#

I checked more history

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it doesn't have anything resembling 3.0

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only 3.125

balmy current
#

perhaps the mentioned buff to the hazard ruined a bunch of layouts and the sheet got into a minor mess there

hollow glacier
#

nah

#

answer is easier

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power levels were squished

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no 0.125x

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and such

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some people decided to re-do the sheet

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things got... messy

#

nowadays I'm not even looking there, I just try to sustain what looks okay

balmy current
#

oh i thought the upgrades were smaller but at a smaller cost, a squish sounds like a complete mess haha. That said, 95% has been working perfectly

hollow glacier
#

that's kinda how it was

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we had smaller upgrades costing less

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now we have bigger upgrades costing more

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squished quantity of different power levels

balmy current
#

ahh, then old data shouldnt be TOO bad, but much less practical ofc. Then I understand your hesitance to re-do the sheet

hollow glacier
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It won't be hard to re do the sheet

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but it will be long tedious process

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people who started it clearly didn't finish

#

and I know, that I have big problems with finishing stuff, so I just try to keep as much info still on the sheet as possible

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so every time I see someone saying, that there's anything missing, I go there and check

covert birch
#

Yeah when i go through the galaxies this time ill make a G2/G3/G4 Sheet of me finding the advisors

obsidian prism
#

You can see the correct arrangement of B43 in File -> Version History around the date December 21. Remember to check the "Show unmodified rows".

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I paste the image back to the current sheet, but too lazy to verify the number.

hollow glacier
#

oh, that's a cool feature

#

thanks

hollow glacier
#

we now have different FR calcs

#

so every number, other than commited FR, will be wrong

earnest drift
#

Yeah, B43 is killing me. I'm going through the spreadsheet. Some builds have buffed deploy spots? Some attempts do at least let the big ships live long enough to start shooting. I'm on the very last upgrade click, and one last scrap node finishing next run. Can't say I'm enjoying this part of the game right now.

earnest drift
#

At worst, I can ignore it for a couple days. It's just bad. Spreadsheet isn't helping. It's like something is missing, but I can't find what it is.

hollow glacier
#

what's your strength

#

and do you have F node running

earnest drift
#

That's it. I thought I had completed into all of those and missed that line in my repeat. Thanks for the clue. I knew I was the idiot. I just couldn't see why.

#

Instant zero to hero

hot bear
#

is there something wrong with B22 in the file. i have fleet stats at 2.0 and doing the formation where isbsays one ahot and i am not doing even 1 damage?

hollow glacier
#

no, nothing wrong with it, it's still oneshot

#

did you disable b21 first?

high hollow
#

I just unlocked the heavy cruiser for G6 but I don't see it at the L1 ship selection

sullen frigate
#

L1 is light ship fabricator

high hollow
#

Oh, gotcha. Gotta look at M1. My bad.

verbal nymph
#

Anyone know B7 setup 1.0 with boost? Or how should I get to 1.25 stats? I am missing 35 scrap

#

Not sure if it has been changed since flc's run

hollow glacier
#

setups didn't change by themself, but available power levels did

earnest cliff
#

Anyone know anything about this one?

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B12 NS with 1.75 stats, cause I'm not gonna hit B21 & B23 this run

hollow glacier
#

this

earnest cliff
#

Thank you

hollow glacier
#

added it to the spreadsheet too

sullen frigate
#

these F nodes cost so much to be unlocked to begin with it makes me wonder how much FR are we really saving

earnest cliff
#

Some of these support nodes are on command ship or base battles that don't even seem clearable without them

sullen frigate
#

im sure there was a mistake but I had to dive into recent spreadsheet history to recover a lost img

#

for this one specifically under B8

sullen frigate
#

sheet B11-B20 has a missing row 11 (images) to accompany row 10 (stats)
the version that still has it is dec18, 2025

hollow glacier
#

And my guess is you're comparing a lot less costly F1 to other F nodes

#

he also upped difficulty of some other battle to make F node of that battle "better"
it was B43, I think?

sullen frigate
#

i see

#

i suppose i'll stick with intended design then

hollow glacier
#

yes, F nodes are basically either "good until certain power points", and then they're still good because they save overall more FR

#

and allow to get further

#

or "you can't clear without them"

earnest cliff
#

Like B26 is just impossible afaik without F4

earnest cliff
#

This layout for B14 gives 33.72 at 2.25, 32.7 at 2.5, 31.93 at 2.75, and 31.28 at 3.0

earnest cliff
#

The advisors in this galaxy are weirdly all over the place

#

I just did B28 with hazards at 2.75 and a layout that cost 60FR claimed an FR used of something like 59.8, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't even be possible if the fight ended with only a single fighter barely surviving

#

I think it just showed me the results as if I'd overdeployed a fighter because it validated like you'd expect for that

covert birch
#

Well the fleet update with FR has changed fleet advisors sometimes

#

so you can always validate to make sure its correct

earnest cliff
#

This one was, like, 12 off though, and validation said it was 11 vs 13

covert birch
#

Weird

earnest cliff
#

I really do think it just erroneously showed overdeployment stats

covert birch
#

Maybe

#

my only thought of why that can happen is

#

It was done outside of galaxy, in practice mode

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meaning they didnt have chosen ships

sullen frigate
#

clicking around and googling found me the buttons to make a copy of that specific version and to extract the images from the cell

#

some of these advisors are... really bad
its suggesting all that to me when I can clear it with this loadout and for this much FR

covert birch
#

weird

hollow glacier
sullen frigate
#

zamn, noone has posted their galaxy history since the update changed the S nodes

sullen frigate
verbal nymph
#

B22, any ideas why this wouldn't one shot? Sheet says it should, B21 is cleared

frigid kindle
#

try it with beams on the HCs

hollow glacier
#

yes, you're not using lasers on HCs

frigid kindle
#

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B10 Cleared
Run 3: F3 Unlocked, B12 Cleared, B11 Cleared, S1 Level 2
Run 4: HF Level 1, BB1 Cleared, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2, R1 Level 2
Run 5: BB1 Cleared, B13 Cleared, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R1 Level 3
Run 6: S2 Level 1, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R2 Level 3, R2 Level 4
Run 7: B17 Cleared, R1 Level 4
Run 8: S3 Level 1, BE Level 1, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3, R3 Level 3
Run 9: B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, B24 Cleared, R1 Level 5
Run 10: S4 Level 1, F4 Unlocked, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2
Run 11: BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R3 Level 4
Run 12: S2 Level 2, B29 Cleared, R4 Level 4
Run 13: F5 Unlocked, R2 Level 5, R2 Level 6, R1 Level 6
Run 14: S3 Level 2, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2
Run 15: B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R2 Level 7, R1 Level 7, R6 Level 3, R5 Level 3, R4 Level 5
Run 16: HP Level 1, R1 Level 8, R2 Level 8, R3 Level 5
Run 17: B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, R1 Level 9
Run 18: S4 Level 2, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R7 Level 2
Run 19: R2 Level 9, R6 Level 4, R3 Level 6, R4 Level 6
Run 20: F7 Unlocked, B43 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R1 Level 10, R1 Level 11, R2 Level 10, R2 Level 11, R4 Level 7
Run 21: R5 Level 4, R5 Level 5, R3 Level 7, R2 Level 12, R1 Level 12, GF Level 1
Run 22: R6 Level 5, R3 Level 8, R4 Level 8, R5 Level 6
Run 23: R8 Level 1
Run 24: R8 Level 2
Run 25: S5 Level 1
Run 26: S6 Level 1, F8 Unlocked, R3 Level 9
Run 27: B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared, R8 Level 3
Run 28: B46 Cleared, R4 Level 9, R6 Level 6, R7 Level 3, R3 Level 10

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b46 cleared on run 28, was about 75 FR short of finishing on 27, so definitely possible with a better layout on the final fight

earnest cliff
#

Galaxy 5 and earlier were generally pretty quick about replacing advisors but galaxy 6 often seems to just leave completely insanely inefficient ones alone after you beat them

sullen frigate
#

i genuinely have no clue why its doing this

#

it doesn't seem like the backend is bugging out because i've tried using the API tool and it finds perfectly fine advisors

hollow glacier
#

maybe try to ask sylv

hollow glacier
#

and @sullen frigate, I assume, can give more examples?

austere adder
#

was that the advisor deploy that got a better score, or a different one you did

#

if its one in the background ill check directly to see if its going up or not

#

hmm I get a different advisor atm

sullen frigate
#

the one in the background was my deploy

sullen frigate
austere adder
#

hrm I think it might be a practic emod idiosyncracy

sullen frigate
#

there was also this one; less of a difference but still there

the 66.16 FR was from a 1.75 stat clear

sullen frigate
austere adder
#

huh

#

well I just ran it and it updated the advisor USIShrug

hollow glacier
#

I guess advisor servers just

#

like Sylv more than you

sullen frigate
#

can we verify if this advisor is real?

#

oh right theres something outt ehre

#

uh huh... πŸ‘οΈπŸ‘„πŸ‘οΈ

#

mhmmm...???

sullen frigate
# sullen frigate can we verify if this advisor is real?

hi @austere adder, sorry to bother you again today, can you verify this?
starting here, G6 B8 at 2.0 stats; advisor says 15.88 FR is doable
I struggled to find it (haven't brute forced all the permutations yet, done about half)
I checked using the tool, tool says this is the arrangement
verification of advisor says its correct, but running it manually gives me 18.37 FR instead of 15.88 FR

frigid kindle
#

switch your fighters to use mini railguns, it affects the reinforcements

sullen frigate
#

oh gosh you're right

#

thats an interesting mechanic

frigid kindle
#

yeah ran into that a few times, I expected the reinforcements to have a fixed loadout but apparently not

sullen frigate
#

adds more chaos to the already chaotic system, i guess

sullen frigate
#

this galaxy is a lot more stat gated than overall scrap gated it seems

#

in g5 farming scrap and focusing R while only doing S when there was a very obvious incoming stat diff got me through a whole lot

#

in this one, scrap farming needs you to sacrifice a lot of R node levels for S nodes to get anywhere meaningful

#

this game refuses to distinguish F node and non-F node completions πŸ§β€β™‚οΈ
in advisor yes but in past clears no

#

cleared at 2.5 stats for 21.55, doesn't store it in previous completions

#

surely the limit isn't 2
but also, it was with different mods, so im not sure why it wouldn't

fervent scroll
#

found a budget 340 resource setup for b46 that works at 3.5 stats for 5533.85 damage a run. can swap a1/b2 and replace a5 with a corvette for 320 and ~4700 (which i needed to use because i'm 5 short of a second 340 run)

hollow glacier
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I wouldn't call 3.5 "budget" since it's a 3-shot, but you can add it to spreadsheet

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wait

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or is it 2-shot?

fervent scroll
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budget because it's both low on run resources (others were like 500-600 for a 2-shot at 3.75) and doesn't need an extra stat node

hollow glacier
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"others were like 500-600 for a 2-shot at 3.75"

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i'm sorry, where did you find that

fervent scroll
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per run, not total

hollow glacier
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from the first days of b46

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we had 410 2-shot
For 410 per run

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I mean, add yours, but spreadsheet has 410 per run

fervent scroll
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the 410 one is at 4+ stats and doesn't work at 3.5 stats

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oh, guess there's the other 410 as well but doesn't work at 3.5 for me either

hollow glacier
fervent scroll
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yeah, doesn't work at 3.5

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it's like 1850

hollow glacier
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well, just to confirm

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your 3.5 is 3-shot, right?

fervent scroll
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yeah

hollow glacier
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yeah, add it here, we're desperately lacking any 3.5 clears that are even close to being effective

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that's mostly because at some point we established, that 2-shots are only possible at 3.6+

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so it was easier to get another level in S node

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and then squishing of different power numbers happened, and it was easier to recommend getting to 3.75

fervent scroll
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top image in the sheet has a b45 image for what would be the existing ~3.5 (as well as a lower one missing its image entirely)

fervent scroll
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there, got it in. insert image wasn't cooperating but saw it could just be pasted and manually inserted

hollow glacier
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thanks

shy forum
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I cannot paste this damn screenshot onto the cell A25 somebody can do it for me please thanks.

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he just REFUSE to paste it

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Found how to patch it

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just close the web broser and open it again

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btw i'm doing a 4.25x overall clear for the graph so full stats people can clear it optimally.
Should I so a special page with 4.25x best stats like for G8?

shy forum
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found 5 new position for 4.25x for now πŸ˜„

earnest cliff
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I gotta be totally honest it seems wildly excessive to push past 3.75 in this galaxy

shy forum
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I just want 100%

earnest cliff
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Fair enough

covert birch
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found that out a month ago

shy forum
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well I didn't think i'll go scavanger hunt for better 4.25x set up than there is on the sheet but here I am

shy forum
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I beat the Advisor by a whole 2 point just by being stupid, sometime being stupid works !

shy forum
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g6 R7 last 4 levels should be nerfed ngl, it take 2 run to get a full bar even with a full clear of G6...

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this is the max you can gather in one run...

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and it cost 2K/ 2K2/ 2K4 scraps...

earnest cliff
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I've definitely had more than one battle where I just forgot to change mods or I put the ships in the wrong place and it was better than any known strats I could find

sullen frigate
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im pretty sure this has been repurposed :(

hollow glacier
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only g7 and g8

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@timber turret #1387177734215827549 message
Can you unpin this? there's no g6 in Solas sheet anymore

sullen frigate
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ah

pale sail
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I'm removing early 1.4s as I come across in the shared doc, since it's not possible to get anymore, S1,S2,S3 nodes are 0.25 increments

exotic trellis
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Im so EFFIN stuck on B46. ive seen some of the above setups but do i NEED to have a certain amout of fleet damage and health ranks? I cant seem to get damage on the base.

hollow glacier
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yes, you need to have at least 3.5x

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better to have 3.75x

sullen frigate
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yep

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doable with 3.5x though

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just takes 3 shots instead of 2

sullen frigate
pale sail
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I pumped my entire run's scrap into S after R1-2 R2-3 R3-2 rather than pumping R again, to get 1.5, which I think is the right move. I also discovered it's not worth ignoring F2/F3 until 1.75, and I'm sadly short 30 scrap to hit B17 at the end of that run :/ that's what I get for running non-max sector. 99% sure that's the optimal path for S126, oh well

sullen frigate
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yea

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i do notice the S nodes are a shit ton more significant in this galaxy

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i think im on pace to be 27 or 28 runs for b46 clear

pale sail
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you've got to be in the running for fastest clears

sullen frigate
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i am, lol :P

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i'm close to giving up 27 though

pale sail
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that flc run steered me wrong at the start, I basically wasted an entire run before I realized it was some pre-patch galaxy and totally different

sullen frigate
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im one run behind flc's run

pale sail
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you waited until max sector to start G6?

sullen frigate
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no

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started in 124

pale sail
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hmm let me compare and see what you did

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I haven't been looking at your G6

sullen frigate
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5 runs in 124, 4 in 125, the rest in 126

pale sail
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yeah I was super annoyed because you did the proper R1 R2 S1 at the first start and i realized I couldn't, not enough scrap off by 5

sullen frigate
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still above recommended sector though

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oof

pale sail
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eh, doing it early also allowed me to reinforce so its impossible to say if it's bad or not

sullen frigate
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yeah

pale sail
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I needed those early cap upgrades

sullen frigate
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in the grand scheme of things you're really not losing out on too too much

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for an idle game its really inconsequential, lol

pale sail
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that's the thing about looking at runs in a vacuum, I heavily disagree with the "optimal thing is to wait until max sector" well if you do that you have days and days of opportunity cost lost becuase you didn't get those early cap upgrades that are at the start of every galaxy

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I mean yeah, none of this matters the difference between hyper optimal play and autobattles and overdeploy every sector is an extra day or two of fuel

sullen frigate
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true

pale sail
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I enjoy the fleet layout puzzle aspect, at least for now

turbid iris
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I got tired of jumping around the excel sheet so I added a filter tab which searches for you which I'm finding much more useful. feel free to give it a try

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TZx4ND_tTfsjP46a_Vr6j4Jsb8lVZIYuE2sWgJksScM/edit?usp=sharing

unfortunately as it requires editing the document it means you have to create a personal copy of the sheet to use it (it's also not simple to drop it into other galaxies, as I had to change the data layout of the other tabs). also formatting is lost (bold/strikethrough/bg color). I return the bg using conditional formatting but it's probably not perfect.

pale sail
covert birch
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interesting

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Ill use this when i make the updated cheat sheets for battles

turbid iris
pale sail
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ah, I missed that part apologies

covert birch
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Yeah having it be a copy is nice

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makes sence after a while for sheets anyway

pale sail
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ownership seems pretty casual, squall made/managed the one as far as I can tell, if you want to make that kind of change and are willing to take ownership of it I don't think anyone would mind, but that does mean taking ownership

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being the steward for a while, more work as a reward for your hard work

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I am actively adding/updating stuff in the sheet, and I've had it open for a few days and I can see there are 4-5 people typically in there at least viewing, so if we have two copies things will diverge pretty quickly. I say just notify people in here get the thumbs up from squall and do it. As long as no data is lost and more functionality? who isn't going to want that

covert birch
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Well I'm planning to make new cheat sheets that are way easier to read

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just waiting for stunt to add a few accesability options to the tool

pale sail
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I look forward to checking it out once it's ready

covert birch
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Yeah, ill also be changing a little bit of stuff around so we can use the search feature that Yuval made

pale sail
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31 runs to kill [email protected]

Galaxy History For UNND-GLX-z69-6
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, B6 Cleared, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 1, R2 Level 2, R1 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B8 Cleared
Run 3: S1 Level 1, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R2 Level 3, R1 Level 2
Run 4: F3 Unlocked
Run 5: S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared, B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2
Run 6: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, B13 Cleared
Run 7: S2 Level 1, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, R2 Level 4
Run 8: B17 Cleared, R3 Level 3, R3 Level 4, R1 Level 3
Run 9: B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R3 Level 5, R1 Level 4, R2 Level 5
Run 10: BE Level 1, R1 Level 5, R1 Level 6, R2 Level 6
Run 11: S3 Level 1, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2
Run 12: B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, R1 Level 7, R2 Level 7, R2 Level 8
Run 13: B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2, B27 Cleared, GF Level 1
Run 14: S4 Level 1, BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R4 Level 3, R5 Level 3
Run 15: B28 Cleared, B29 Cleared
Run 16: S2 Level 2, F5 Unlocked, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R4 Level 4
Run 17: S3 Level 2, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R1 Level 8
Run 18: B34 Cleared, R6 Level 3, R6 Level 4, R6 Level 5
Run 19: B35 Cleared, HP Level 1, R4 Level 5
Run 20: S4 Level 2, B36 Cleared
Run 21: F6 Unlocked
Run 22: S5 Level 1, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R7 Level 2
Run 23: B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, R7 Level 3, R6 Level 6
Run 24: B42 Cleared, F7 Unlocked, R3 Level 6, R3 Level 7, R3 Level 8, R4 Level 6, R4 Level 7
Run 25: B43 Cleared, B44 Cleared, B45 Cleared, R3 Level 9, R3 Level 10, R2 Level 9, R2 Level 10
Run 26: R2 Level 11
Run 27: R4 Level 8, R4 Level 9, R6 Level 7
Run 28: F8 Unlocked, R8 Level 1, R5 Level 4, R5 Level 5, R2 Level 12, R1 Level 9
Run 30: S6 Level 1, B46 Cleared, R8 Level 2, R1 Level 10, R1 Level 11
Run 31: B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared

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About half were done at recommended level, not too awful. probably should have pushed for 3.75, seems like most people farmed up a bit and did that. I'm consistently several runs behind a lot of people, probably because I'm ducking in to get early artifacts

sullen frigate
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2 isn’t quite a lot and i’ve made it a personal mission to try to optimize whenever i do push galaxy
i’d say that 3 runs behind genuinely isn’t that much

pale sail
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yeah, I'm relatively happy with it, I don't feel like I made any huge blunders

nova plover
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At some point will I need to skip activating some of the fleet supports to have enough resources to finish?

random egret
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is adaptations auto cheapest the last automations? asking cause i wanna yolo time skips

covert birch
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for now yeah

random egret
bright shale
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B8 1.5x S/H 42/50

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B9 1.5x S/H 60/60

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B10 1.5x S/H 108/120

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these are all better than the current purple ones on the sheet

pale sail
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ignore the words "around", I think that was pre-rework, once you hit that value it's definitely cheaper to skip. I checked the two 2.5 ones at least, when I went from 2.25 to 2.5 it was cheaper to skip

still silo
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i have to pay 600 every run until i have 2.5 stats or what?

hollow glacier
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no

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you pay 600 once and then you pay 100 each run

still silo
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okay thats more reasonable

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i guess i just have to dump all my fr into this and thats the end of the first run πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

bright shale
wooden atlas
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i'm looking at this run and getting S1 before b9 (let alone b8) seems impossible ? has something changed with scraps ?

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or the costs have changed or smthng ?

hollow glacier
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costs changed

wooden atlas
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ah.

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welp

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i'll try one less R node level

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to get S1 at the same time

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yeah... b8 with 1.0 stats seem way too expensive

random rampart
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is there a 1.0 B8 s/h? I can't figure out the advisor recs

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oh I got it if I follow the layout for 1.25 on the spreadsheet and ignore the advisor saying to use missles

sullen frigate
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i notice theres a bunch of laser fire from the top, i tried stacking an unhealthy amount of fighters up there and did some tweaking

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105.94 / 120 FR with no extra ships, i think its something like 85.94 FR / 100 if you chose fighters

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dw why its red, its comparing to 3.5 clear stats

wooden atlas
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is there no way to beat B10 in the second run now ?

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is it possible in 124 or above ?

random rampart
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this got me through b8 1.0 s/h

pseudo osprey
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is there any complete guide to this galaxy? ive just returned after a year pause, and now ive got flashbacks why i stopped playing the game xD

hollow hazel
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I've just finished G5 but G6 looks extremely linear

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and there's a pinned post, someone might redo it in the same fully text-based format as G5 has, but it's there

pseudo osprey
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still cant express how much i hate this part of the game

still silo
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i hate the fact that you need 300 iq to figure out fights

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so its better to just copy them from someone else

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i tried and i couldnt

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and it gets more and more complicated as you unlock more stuff

pale sail
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G6 is the peak annoyance with that, it took me actual days of playing to get through G6

sullen frigate
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g7 and g8 are much nicer in that they dont have as many runs where you change your battles

hollow hazel
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How many runs do you need to rush into the early galaxy and beat BB1 and and get that +1 shard link?

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I imagine this part has been pretty optimized by now

sullen frigate
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3rd might be possible

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1 for b6a, b6b and then bb1 each

hollow hazel
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Thanks, then I'll try that tomorrow when I have enough fuel for 3 trips.

still silo
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you need to unlock f1 f2 and f3 for it, thats a lot of fr, idk if you can fit that into 3 runs, maybe if you are at s126

hollow hazel
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Oof.

still silo
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no, unlocking an f node is 300 iirc (or 400?), then activating is 100

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and they give you support, not remove hazard

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as you get more fleet stats you can stop using them

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.

hollow hazel
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Yeah, thanks, I've read the pinned message, but since I haven't played yet I don't understand what support means

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it's a new term never before seen

still silo
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you have to unlock them once, then activate them for 100 if you want

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you can hover over the ? to see what they do

hollow hazel
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Oh, so those are MY hazards

still silo
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yeah

hollow hazel
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that destroy my enemies, cool

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and being a one-time unlock with smaller per-run purchase is significantly less oof than I thought.

still silo
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there are other things, not just laser volley, but the point is that they support you

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im about to unlock universal datacores

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so hyped

sullen frigate
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OH SHOOT
i was thinking about g5 😭

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living up to my name 😎

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ok well i cleared bb1 in 5 runs so theres that

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erm

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good luck

still silo
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was 7 for me but i was yoloing the first few runs, i should maybe stop doing that and just copy

pale sail
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bb1 was 6 runs for me

covert birch
pseudo osprey
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is there any written step by step guide of how to complete g6? im searching for one which treats me like i was an idiot

hollow glacier
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did you check pins?

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there's battles guide

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if it's not enough for you, then the core idea of g6 is go by numbers
b1-2-3-4 and so on

pseudo osprey
hollow glacier
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yes

pseudo osprey
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ill try and read the whole doc then,ty

wooden atlas
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i'm trying so hard to make a 1.5x 160 FR two shot for this but i don't think it's possible

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without HC

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looks like this rn

hollow hazel
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I see main channels mention "base 6 renovate is important" where is that?

hollow hazel
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Thanks!
I feel that's not what I need to reach S123-124

wooden atlas
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ofc not

still silo
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b33 is such a gigachad node

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makes it so difficult to reach it

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provides hazards for 5 freakin battles

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plus you have to spend 200 on the artifact node

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okay this is crazy, on a shotgun

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god damn it there is also a support node

acoustic ember
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there seems to be a missing entry for an NS:2.25x B23 clear?

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there's nothing about it further up and down the list 😭

hollow glacier
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you can change it if you want

still silo
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whats the optimal way to spend fleet scraps?

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i have been yoloing it so far, maybe im messing up

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there are so many s and r nodes

hollow glacier
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R nodes better than S nodes until you meet a wall in enemy stats
as usual

still silo
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but fleet stats will also save you fr, thats why im wondering

still silo
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im mostly grabbing r nodes then occasionally save up for an s when i feel like it

pale saddle
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once you start hitting battles where you need to over deploy a lot that is the time to do S nodes (other than boss nodes).

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if you follow the spreadsheet it will be pretty obvious because there won't be any clears with your stats.

still silo
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so, dont spend on s nodes unless i feel like i need it

pale saddle
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basically.
I don't bother with s nodes until I can get them in 1-2 runs.

hollow glacier
still silo
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oh man its gonna take longer to farm all the artifacts than finishing the galaxy

wooden atlas
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after i finish g6 i ain't spending ANY fuel before i renovate b6

wooden atlas
still silo
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32 but i wasnt efficient

wooden atlas
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i see

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let's see how many runs it takes to finish artifacts

still silo
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right now i can make almost 8k artifacts per run and i need ~180k

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thats... a lot

wooden atlas
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what's ur b6 bonus at

still silo
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its gonna be more and more as i get more r and s nodes tho