altough those are pretty close to the same until the last few nodes
#G6/z69-6
acoustic jetty
undone yoke
I've been doing pretty good at it I think
like if I have 7 FR at the end I'm like "that kinda sucks"
acoustic jetty
you could "cheat"
undone yoke
being able to do B2 and B10 for 10 FR or less helps
acoustic jetty
and do worse on your last nodes on purpose
hollow glacier
you will have like 0 problems with b46
but not sure how much of clears for that one sheet has
undone yoke
-# it's such a mess
hollow glacier
it's more power than I currently have, lol
undone yoke
my likely issue for clearing b46 will be FR, I'm only at 3174
acoustic jetty
i technically have 3.825x but only because i ran out of R nodes while running down the end so i got the last S5
i last killed 46 at 3.625, like most people judging by the sheet
hollow glacier
my likely issue for clearing b46 will be FR, I'm only at 3174
I don't think this will be much of an issue
acoustic jetty
i think you may just be "late"
hollow glacier
with 3.8, you're quite likely to clear in something-something less than 900 FR
acoustic jetty
not that it matters, scrap farming runs (which are optimal for like, a dozen+ runs right after B46) are barely different for having cleared B46
hollow glacier
and with how much you're optimising clears, considering that you don't even have level 1 GF yet
I think you will have more than enough
undone yoke
yeah I know I'm at least -500 FR spendage from not optimizing earlier on at the very least, D3 cost and F8 unlock only *just * happened though so I dunno how much 'earlier' this could go unless I did a different strategy starting many runs back
acoustic jetty
the "risk" is hitting B46, having to two shot it, and being forced to dump 200FR into GF
because you clear the entire map
undone yoke
I'm not gonna have that risk for awhile at my FR
last couple runs I've ping-ponged between doing different branches for steel without running out of options
and the A nodes are big FR dumps
hollow glacier
I'm almost sure, that you will clear b46 on one run
undone yoke
then again I did dump D3 and F8 this last run 🤔 so maybe you have a point
well, maybe I can activate prior F nodes after passing them, in a pinch 😂
or see if there is any way to clear B26 without support
hollow glacier
or see if there is *any* way to clear B26 without support
there likely is
it'll just require
a lot of cruisers
undone yoke
it's gonna take so many
based on the couple times I've tried, so I can avoid undoing b25 onwards 😭
undone yoke
on a good note though - Sylv's change with right-clicking nodes & saving layouts used is working SO nicely
it's saving me so much time
even when undoing b25 onwards it saved my layouts at 3.7x
so I didn't have to repeat what was still technically my "first clears at 3.7x"
alpine oracle
what's the rule if any for the google sheets if you run a setup that is posted with the exact same parameters but get different values than the ones posted? Amend, leave them and add a note, or...?
hollow glacier
can you share which did you run?
undone yoke
I've been adding the values I got with (I got xxx?) and leaving it up to someone else to verify
in cases like that
alpine oracle
can you share which did you run?
since the sheets image states 1.3 but the text they put says 1.2, i have a feeling they meant to put 1.3
1.2 but the image is 1.3 so
ok yeah definitely the case. I'll just amend, the values for running it 1.3 are the ones that are stated for 1.2
hollow glacier
I think just change 1.2 to 1.3
undone yoke
since the sheets image states 1.3 but the text they put says 1.2, i have a feeli...
sometimes the results don't change with fleet strength increase
hollow glacier
this is clearly a mistake
since I did run it at 1.2 and got same results as you did
and at 1.3 same as screenshot did
undone yoke
but yeah the image makes sense here for fixing it
alpine oracle
changed it to this, all good 🙂
hollow glacier
yeah, even better
fickle flame
so does everything else, unfortunately
hollow sphinx
sylv, actually, would it better if you left these achievements in, but gave them a fleet bonus? a fleet strength bonus... this way, for people who want internet points for having the best advisors, will try to aim for these achievements!
undone yoke
oh great, incentivize more #1388317656616271983 situations
hollow glacier
oh great, incentivize more <#1388317656616271983> situations
this won't matter though, as it's based of your fleet strength
it shouldn't give advisor with more strength than yours
undone yoke
you can still wind up with someone having your same fleet strength with only 2 fighters, no?
undone yoke
kinda confused what achievements batman is even talking about
hollow sphinx
hollow glacier
hollow sphinx
i dont know what qualifies as "impossible advisors". This is the first I have seen that channel. But, given that it would be legit possible to get those fleet strengths, maybe thats fine?
hollow glacier
i dont know what qualifies as "impossible advisors". This is the first I have se...
just check channel
Try clearing b13 with two rail gun fighters at 3.125
hollow sphinx
just check channel
Try clearing b13 with two rail gun fighters at 3.125
i see that channel now... but before i dive into it head-first and fall on my face, did someone manage that without modifying game or something?
kind island
oh its info about the zoom
tough basalt
sharp thorn
That’s 10 tho?
hollow glacier
yeah, that's 10
fervent zinc
sylv should do that, have more than 10
glass totem
sylv, actually, would it better if you left these achievements in, but gave them...
this would generate a bunch of hate since you can only ever have 1 advisor for each 'slot' and once they are filled at the most optimal for each you cant ever beat them so they would just be literally impossible while giving those who earned it at inception an unfair advantage over the others
fervent zinc
who knows, could be a permanent handicap if he just gave +.1 fleet stats 😛
glass totem
for the more enemies/ slots part, just waiting now for the carrier/ motherships XD turn it into actual fleet battles with the huge ships that send out fighters/ spawn other ships that swarm them and having to also counter those XD
spose thats already technically there with the reinforcements hazard/ support, but actually having a ship type that does specific ones
fervent zinc
sorry the homeworld crossover already failed, and Sylv hasn't talked about it anymore
hollow sphinx
this would generate a bunch of hate since you can only ever have 1 advisor for e...
you could argue the same about UT... some people have 3000+ points, some have 5000+.
you could say that about overdrives too. some have 20, some have 18.
infact, you can even say that about the rest of achievements that give some benefit.
glass totem
no, you really cant say that about any of those
since those are all things that anyone can achieve no matter when they start the game
fleet advisors are not
so introducing limited access stuff that gives direct benefits is only benefiting those who can get in early enough to grab them
hollow sphinx
fleet advisor is not an achievement other than simply winning internet points.. besides, how many even go for it ? it doesn't affect the game in anyway.
glass totem
once a fleet advisor is locked, its locked, noone else can get it
if you make it an ingame achievement then everyone is going to want it, and its inherently not fair to put something that only a few people can have as an achievement/ actual reward for everyone to see that they will never achieve/ benefit from
oblique bane
Time comsuming progress and server unique bonus are totally different leagues.
oblique bane
The later is almost first come first service, the first is you just got it few weeks later
hollow sphinx
once a fleet advisor is locked, its locked, noone else can get it
oh i am not suggesting make fleet advisor an in-game achievement.
glass totem
even ignoring the achievement aspect, awarding ingame rewards to people holding them still counts for this
making it so people with advisors get bonus FR means everyone who doesnt have them is punished
and its immediately unbalanced
hollow sphinx
i am not suggesting that either.
glass totem
its literally what you said
austere adder
sylv, actually, would it better if you left these achievements in, but gave them...
errr you misunderstand. I am talking about steam achievements. nothign in game is changing.
glass totem
yh, definitely a dodgy path having impossible for 99% of the players to get achievements XD
well, 99.999999etc%
oblique bane
I think the best in game bonus (if any) for advisors are maybe a few AI points
hollow sphinx
wait.. i am talking about this:
wouldn't every player get access to them?
glass totem
it sounds like your misunderstanding what fleet advisors are
everyone would have access to the achieve, only 0.0001 or whatever% of people would ever be able to earn them
austere adder
fwiw I was never talking about fleet advisors, just those cheevos that take a little to long to get right now with extra grind required
glass totem
in terms of general grind, theres certainly a balance to be had. its not gearbox level at least 😄 but the kill x is definitely a grind XD
as the game grows though and mor ethings come in whats reasonable would also change though
hollow sphinx
honestly, i am not sure how fleet advisors work. for instance, if i started a new game, played g1, would i see the advisor show a heavy cruiser (because some player who finsihed g6 went back to g1 and used a heavy cruiser)?
glass totem
yes
oblique bane
BTW do we know which matchup did we made into advisor?
glass totem
well, if they had it unlocked for that galaxy
and the only way to earn one yourself, is to beat whatever advisor is already there
or be the very first person to clear that node
hollow sphinx
with that specific combination of fleet?.. and fleet strength? or just any fleet/fleet strength?
glass totem
only exceptions are when sylv does general wipe and resets them all, which point its a free for all for a day or two, then the highest stat people take over again
from what i understand its supposed to align to your fleet strength so it should have buckets, but i dont know how many buckets there are for each node to hold one
but the overall issue remains the same, you have to either be the first, or beat someone in that bucket already existing
and once the optimal is there, you cant beat that
when g6 came out i managed to get 14 advisors that night. by the morning i had 0 XD
and havent earned one since
oblique bane
In an ideal world every fleet strength (times support availability, times Fabricator picks) should have an optimal build but I would think that would be a data set too big
glass totem
plus the plague that is the cheaters
hollow sphinx
so, if i understand you right, for G6::B50::1 ship of each type::fleetStrength=2.5x advisor can be from batman's run. but for G6::B50::1 ship of each type::fleetStrength=3.5x, advisor can be from mcnutty's run.
is that accurate?
glass totem
yup
unless you get a more optimal run in the bracket for my run, then mine gets replaced with yours
hollow sphinx
so, then, with that in mind... people who have gotten further up the chain in the kills achivement (assuming it awards fleet strength), would simply be in a higher bucket...
glass totem
kills achieves and advisors are two completely separate things
having kill achieves higher that give perks would be fair - annoying but fair XD
rewards tied to advisors is where it gets dodgy
hollow sphinx
thats what i was suggesting... give those that achieve the higher kill fleet, simply get an award like "fleet strength +0.01x"
right now, most people are using their fuel towards UT --- especially in eoc.
glass totem
ah, assume you made a typo then when you were saying advisors and meant kills?
well, misstype/ typo
in which case fair enough
hollow sphinx
but, if someone, like me or you, want to instead spend that fuel to get the higher kill achievement by spending it in galaxy travels, then we should be rewarded... with the hope that we can maybe get the "server" advisor eventually for a higher bucket level... we maynot be the first to that new galaxy (or old one), but we'll certainly be the first with the higher fleet strength bucket level. 😉
oblique bane
I still don't think that kind of manual grinding for fleet strength is a good idea, on the other hand maybe # of runs in an specific galaxy might be an good idea to help people that are struggling.
austere adder
advisors match on:
- Fleet stats
- Hazard/Support/Base active or not
- Available ships and mods
glass totem
not sure i would want them as achieves, since that would push to doing more runs to earn them, but some kind of... well not really a pity mechanic as such, but pity mechanic to give increase every x runs could be good
not sure what would be balanced in terms of numbers for how many runs and how much increase though if that was ever considered
hollow sphinx
take this for example:
Some people sat in certain sectors to try and achieve it. they focused solely on that to get the benefit. Others, just kept playing the game and eventually got it. End of day, they both end up with same stats. Some before others.
I am suggesting the same, but for fleets. Since currently the fleet kill one doesn't give any benefits other than AI points - which again, once you have everything purchased.. whats the point? i barely use the ai points at the moment. i dont use the 6hr time skips either.
oblique bane
For example if the par for G6 B46 is 40 and the par for max out artifact is 60 (just made up numbers) maybe pity should kick in at around 50
So people that are reallly behind can get a little boost, people on par don't really need to do extra grind.
hollow sphinx
i dont think pity mechanics should be a thing.
fervent zinc
with how chaotic fleet is, anything that gives +fleet stats would be horribly annoying
"oh look at my sweet 3.726 kill that no one can replicate"
glass totem
yh, Fr makes more sense than stats for sure
and adding them as additional achieve reward would then mean sylv would have to count that as part of the balancing for any galaxies added, so would make those more complicated
hollow sphinx
sure. that could work too... i am just saying that we should keep it and reward it.
oblique bane
FR sounds better indeed.
fervent zinc
I'd be kinda disapointed to get more FR too. I like being able to compare my runs against someone else. Getting the extra FR from more sectors is already kinda sad
glass totem
and pity is definitely the wrong term for it, i just cant think of the right one XD
fervent zinc
like I finished in 31 runs, but how much of that is just because I had more FR than someone doing this naturally? What's a "normal" amount of runs to finish in? DId I just overgrind, or did I accomplish something??
I think just having your fake internet points is enough of reward, personally
oblique bane
like I finished in 31 runs, but how much of that is just because I had more FR t...
That's why I think that should be counting the specific galaxy, we should assume people peaked things from last patch, so everyone get that extra maybe 0.1 FR at their 51 runs.
I am quite against anything more than AI points as server unique bonus tho.
hollow sphinx
one of the main reasons, i was suggesting keeping/rewarding those achievements (on page 3) is that when i first started playing the game (page 1), was a thing i kept an eye on to see if i am close to some achievement, and what bonus it gave. it was a path to "upgrade stats". Similar to "do i want to buy warp on left path or right path?" etc... With the new achievements on page 3, a lot of them are just giving AI points, and i am like "meh. i dont care. why bother?"
If however, there were some rewards, then i'd be like "okay.. lets put some thought/focus into this"
And i am not talking about making it server unique bonus - just to be clear.
oblique bane
Bonus from heavy manual grinding neither good TBH, from natural progress are nice tho.
Some of the page 3 are manual grinding
namely destroy x in fleet battles
those shouldn't give anything more than AI points IMO
hollow sphinx
curious -- i am relatively a new player -- but, wouldn't the regular kill x enemies (page 1) would have been a real grind back in the day ?
oblique bane
That could be idle, you just park at some enemies rich sector IIRC
hollow sphinx
you could theoretically do the same now? let the fuel accumulate and automatically spend it traveling to a galaxy and doing the last run.
I mean, sylv would have to do all this additional work... but theoretically, it would be the same ?
People would get a choice - which path to take. Spend the fuel automatically on galaxy travel or spend the fuel on UT or not do anything.
Yes, it will make aleph's life harder to compare their run to other people 😛
oblique bane
You will need to do that... forbidden lot of times to hit e6 tho
glass totem
dont some of those only count when you manually trigger each fight?
hollow sphinx
I'd be kinda disapointed to get more FR too. I like being able to compare my run...
actually, looking at the page3, maybe instead of fleet strength or FR boost, it could be fuel efficiency boost. that way, the runs are still the same (for people to compare), just how quickly one get them compared to others.
glass totem
i think the biggest thing for me would be the forced manual interaction even if its just travel, open undo last, and run it, finish
thats a significant amount of forced interaction over time compared to just park in an area and wait for weeks, or even go offline etc
oblique bane
i think the biggest thing for me would be the forced manual interaction even if ...
Yeah, when that times a thousand we have a problem.
hollow sphinx
i think the biggest thing for me would be the forced manual interaction even if ...
yes. it was a pain to do that. which is why one of my recommendations to sylv was to build automation to that. 🙂 but i guess the focus is more on going down the UT path perhaps.
oblique bane
park and wait are more in line of what we expect in this genre of game
sharp thorn
Auto UT at fuel cap 
hollow sphinx
why not both? 😛
for UT, you'd have to select priority of which "upgrade" you want to spend on.
for galaxy, which galaxy you want to run on (and it will do the last run for that galaxy).
sharp thorn
Ideally it wouldnt dump to hit the next instability point. It’d just supercharge the timer based on the fuel gain
This has no benefit to me though and ultimately just means spending AI points for OCD purposes
stark pecan
I cant close it 🙈
ah just clicking out of it works 😃 Also does this count as a bug? Once you complete the galaxy / have all the artifacts. You can keep completing A9 infinite times
austere adder
no A9 is repeatable
just funy that you cna get that high of a number of repeats to nuke the popup whoops
regal plover
Idle A9 clicker 😆
New achievements based on the number of clicks
And of course a whole series of autoclickers
lyric breach
guys, i unlocked beam and it seems its bugged lol
regal plover
guys, i unlocked beam and it seems its bugged lol
It goes on the heavy cruiser
lyric breach
there is heavy cruiser ?:O
regal plover
there is heavy cruiser ?:O
Lol did you skip that unlock? 😆
lyric breach
damn, im blind lol
"how blind are you?".. me: yes
omg, i played that whole without heavy cruiser xddd
like half of the galaxy xd
regal plover
You could only have had it after B12 so not really half the galaxy
lyric breach
its not changing fact im blind xd
fickle flame
if you make it an ingame achievement then everyone is going to want it, and its ...
they weren't talking about making the advisor and achievement tho
fickle flame
its literally what you said
they said add some fleet stat bonus to the 5e5 or 1e6 fleet kills to make them more inticing
fickle flame
honestly, i am not sure how fleet advisors work. for instance, if i started a ne...
no, because you don't have a starting heavy cruiser and wouldn't be able to deploy it there, so it doesn't meet the conditions of same 'ships and mods'
verbal zodiac
True, but you can deploy heavy cruisers in G5 for example
And choose them at each of the 3 decision points. So there are quite a few potential layouts possible there.
oblique bane
omg, i played that whole without heavy cruiser xddd
there are a few battles that would be really hard without HC... you prob. needs to overgrind by a lot to beat even BB2
oblique bane
Is there anything I might want to do before first post-patch reinforce?
other than maxed G6
fickle flame
base renovations and fast fueling
oblique bane
Oh so it was not intended to max out the whole G6 artifacts tree before reinforce?
glass totem
lmao, yh sylv really wants have people doing multiple reinforces and not just yolo 1 run them XD
hollow glacier
#sector-124-131 message
glass totem
he keeps buffing the fuel node to try and make it more appealing to those ignoring it
oblique bane
lol
oblique bane
But... at this point only less than 3 days for me to max the G6 tree, I am quite lazy so if I can only reinforce once I would try to not do another
hollow glacier
it will save a day if you reinforce just as you get it
if you reinforce later, it will save less
oblique bane
I didn't really read the whole tree so it kinda went over my head lol
Also didn't really checked the new sector channel
Oh by the way... does B6 renovations force rainforce too?
if that is the case I think no point delay it
alpine oracle
Hey peeps. Can anyone replicate this? o.0 because I've tried and simply can't, so... Just want to make sure what's on the sheets is correct :S
undone yoke
hmm
undone yoke
I'm going to fiddle with changing some of the ship mods, it could be an old submission
hollow glacier
if you change frigate to armored it works, but not 60 FR
if you change cruiser to armored it works but also not 60 FR
undone yoke
well if we're finding better results, better to throw those in anyway
hollow glacier
unless 60 FR is commitment FR, not used FR
alpine oracle
if you change frigate to armored it works, but not 60 FR
yeah, that's what i also got. Tbf there's a better version already there
undone yoke
with armored cruiser
hollow glacier
yeah, there's already a better version
undone yoke
I vote we nuke it
alpine oracle
yeah, there's already a better version
I put that in its place, traded their places, since it felt a bit odd to have a non-working version at the top with a better version deep down
undone yoke
I put that in its place, traded their places, since it felt a bit odd to have a ...
wait what
undone yoke
tbh most of b9 needs cleaning up
alpine oracle
wait what
the previous one (the non-working one) was in the place where this better version is now and the better version was in the place where the non-working is now.
undone yoke
the previous one (the non-working one) was in the place where this better versio...
are you saying you swapped images without adjusting the stats???
undone yoke
ok
alpine oracle
so imagine idk version non-working was C5/C6 and better working version was C17/C18. I traded their places (cells numbers made up)
hollow glacier
this is without starting fighter
undone yoke
-# isn't that the same result you just posted
hollow glacier
it's different lol
as mine was at 3.75
without support
I'm just trying to see something better
alpine oracle
sooo nuke the non-working version, if there's a better version in the future it can be added, but no point in adjusting the non-working and switching its stats and images until we find one that beats the best current one yeah? <-<
hollow glacier
okay, yeah, the one with cruiser on top is better than I can do by just switching ship types
undone yoke
I think we just remove the 1.3x-60 since we can't replicate results and it's just a one-off, yeah
alpine oracle
I think we just remove the 1.3x-60 since we can't replicate results and it's jus...
done 🫡
undone yoke
I keep asking this but is there an easy way to move cell columns up/down all at once?
alpine oracle
I keep asking this but is there an easy way to move cell columns up/down all at ...
select all the cells you want and ctrl + x then go to where you want to paste them and ctrl + v
undone yoke
ctrl + x is spooky
alpine oracle
undone yoke
I'm nuking this bottom one too, the results are accurate but the one above is better so idk why this second one was added
think I did it right?
tbh screw it I'm just gonna sit here and clean up B9 a bit, more of these upper submissions are out of order or inferior lol
alpine oracle
I'm nuking this bottom one too, the results are accurate but the one above is be...
I added the first one, after the second one was already added. Think the slot was free, so ^^'. One of my first edits, so didn't want to delete old stuff. Still don't unless it's outright wrong.
can you guys replicate the values for 1.3? best i can is 13.01
hollow glacier
it's funny, how someone said "always switch fighters just to check"
alpine oracle
it's funny, how someone said "always switch fighters just to check"
xDDDD
hollow glacier
alpine oracle
fighters that spawn spawn with your weapons
really? o.O
hollow glacier
I got 12.72 with anti-shield fighters
but screenshot uses anti-armor fighters
fickle flame
fighters that spawn spawn with your weapons
same for all reinforcements
hollow glacier
screenshot is incorrect
undone yoke
-# not the only one like that throughout the sheet
hollow glacier
need to replace screenshot
alpine oracle
gonna check if the 1.7 is correct tho
fickle flame
screenshot is incorrect
sounds about right
alpine oracle
or if with fighters switched it's better than that (or worse)
hollow glacier
with anti-shield fighters it's 12 at 1.7
with anti-armor fighters it's 12 at 1.7
screenshot is wrong
alpine oracle
yeah, I'll replace. Thanks for the info had no clue the ships spawned with the perks chosen for help
and reinforce
hollow glacier
they do, yep
we're not our enemies, we can't field different variations of same ship
I guess by the point we'll be able too, we'll be too alient
undone yoke
I'm nuking this top one, I've tried minor variations and they all fail
hollow glacier
it works with CL corvettes and anti-shield fighters
cl+shield corvettes
but not 135.17
undone yoke
same result here -157.64
hollow glacier
well, it's, iirc, 147.64 with first fighter/corvette
It can't work without CL on corvettes
well, Sylv fixed rocket enemies in one of patches
and after that patch I suddenly dropped like 40 damage on my 490 b46 clear
maybe that's also it
undone yoke
it's -137.64 with CL taken at L1
hollow glacier
oh, yeah, -20
still, I can't see how it will work without CLs
as top ship will just demolish all of the shielded corvettes
undone yoke
hollow glacier
okay, no, I was wrong
hollow glacier
so it's basically worse than layout there
undone yoke
hmm I guess that's actually still very slightly worse
-138.12 vs -137.64
aha, vindicated
I'll give it a couple other variation idea here and move on with b9
undone yoke
it's goin' down
undone yoke
I wish I could use the auto-battle feature for this 😆
it almost feels like it could be doable removing a CL-
and lo and behold as I type that
and now there's a new problem, this calls into question the 1.2 results below it 😆
hollow glacier
well
now you're doing Gods work
optimising early clears
also I think I used something close to it, but
well
maybe worse
undone yoke
-# I was just annoyed at how long the b9 column was getting
hollow glacier
anyways, you're indeed doing work that needs to be done
better early clears are everything for spreadsheets, not better late clears
as better early clears can provide a lot more of an advantage
undone yoke
I think I'm out of ideas for variations on that one
unless... instead of third fighter, another corvette or frigate?
hollow glacier
unless... instead of third fighter, another corvette or frigate?
I don't think it will be good
enemies are big attackers
so having more ships is for the better
stable compass
Hello. How clear b44-b45-b46?
hollow glacier
did you consult the spreadsheet?
undone yoke
I'd probably save space using win + v putting this in a single post
BRUH
it's going too far now
alpine oracle
damn, just found a major improvement for b12 Support. Beats current 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, and 1.6 builds on 1.3
just testing if i can get even down further
current builds.
my build. If anyone can find something to improve it'd be even more amazing
alpine oracle
damn, just found a major improvement for b12 Support. Beats current 1.3, 1.4, 1....
even beats the NS because getting support and using this build is less expensive than not getting it
undone yoke
alpine oracle
for 1.3*
alpine oracle
Ohhh, thought you were... nvm
thought you were talking about mine NS for 1.5
which is 109.29 (thought it was 109.72), so thought you were referencing that
undone yoke
ah 😆
alpine oracle
bruh
my setup works fine for 1.3, if I go to 1.4, it's worse
oh wait
fighters
changing the fighting mode to shields it works
undone yoke
can someone verify this result on 1.2 for me? I'll feel better about nuking the old 1.2 results lol
alpine oracle
cant you in the practice settings specify the max amount of ships you have?
undone yoke
for posterity's sake - I'm removing these 3
alpine oracle
cant you in the practice settings specify the max amount of ships you have?
tad bit annoying having 2 cruisers and not getting a chance to replicate something with only 1 max cruiser and paying the extra price
hollow glacier
cant you in the practice settings specify the max amount of ships you have?
I don't think so?
undone yoke
feedback it to Sylv
hollow glacier
@austere adder can you give us ability in practice mode to change number of "available" ships according to galaxy we're practicing in, or just change it overall, or it will be too hard? Getting incorrect FR results, because in practice you have 1 of every ship, while in galaxy you would've had more ships, can be misleading a bit
P.S. Or a setting to mark which ships were chosen at every fabricator in galaxy, including option to choose none (if we're simulating battle before one of fabricators)
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Here's follow-up post on possible variant of realisation, with + and - buttons
https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1390630534111297608
Okay, and here's link to structured suggestion
undone yoke
is there a way to start a next line of text in a cell? enter doesn't work
alpine oracle
is there a way to start a next line of text in a cell? enter doesn't work
shift enter prob
undone yoke
<@119635852585336832> can you give us ability in practice mode to change number ...
err maybe in other words, a setting to mark what L1/M1/L2 choices we've made
alpine oracle
<@119635852585336832> can you give us ability in practice mode to change number ...
Would be quite nice in practice settings to be able to set the max amount of ships that you have available to you. As if you're far into a galaxy and have for example 2 cruisers and want to replicate a result from someone or try setups with only 1 max cruiser and paying the extra overdeploy cost, you're unable to. + - buttons next to the ships in practice mode would be amazing 🙂
had already typed this ^^'
undone yoke
shift enter prob
selects next cell up I think
alpine oracle
Would be quite nice in practice settings to be able to set the max amount of shi...
something like this (excuse the poor paint job). Would only alter the max ship count
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undone yoke
for posterity's sake - I'm removing these 3
also removing this one, I have better results inbound
alpine oracle
i also should prolly cleanup b12
for posterity's sake - I'm removing these from b12
oh and this. While it's NS, getting S at this point is more worth it than using this setup.
tf is going on b11
hollow glacier
oh and this. While it's NS, getting S at this point is more worth it than using ...
I don't think you should delete it tbf
when dargonite will make guide, he'll probably just
don't give it as a solution, since we know skip points
undone yoke
any ideas on how to drop this second cruiser for the NH version?
been trying a few things but like mentioned dropping the frigate doesn't have a better result
hollow glacier
it's mentioned that you need to drop frigate for better commit, not result?
undone yoke
yeah I added that
undone yoke
it's close enough that it seems like maybe helpful
hollow glacier
what if you drop cruiser and add fighter to the bottom
this will be net positive in FR, and fighters are
well
Fightyers
undone yoke
I'm trying some variations on the thought but no dice
I think it's an issue of not enough anti-medium firepower juice until 1.3, and dropping any of the other non-cruisers isn't spitting out a better result for me
uhh... it just ate my images?
doesn't look like it got dragged to somewhere else on the sheet, they're just gone?
no version history for it either
posting here in case they get lost again somehow
removing this top one in favor of the better result below
removing this as well as it's a dupe of that better result above
undone yoke
no idea what's going on here with the numbers at the end
hollow glacier
someone trying to calculate... something
hollow glacier
probably something like "how much FR you saved from the worst to best", idk
but why would you need that
covert birch
undone yoke
deleting top one as second one's better, albeit small difference
😌 aaand that's B9 tidied up
undone yoke
deleting this one in b25 since all results are superceded now
deleting this one for B27, someone posted a layout for 4.1x and it turned out to better than every single other result for the top one
ditto for the next one up, jeebus whoever posted this found the holy grail
the decimation finally stopped at 2.6x 😂
alpine oracle
I don't think you should delete it tbf
it feels odds to have a worse solution present though. 1.5x has a 109.29 solution, that is more than mine which is 57.5, but has the +100 cost of the support. That one, has a 184.51 cost at 1.3, which even if you have the +100 cost, using my version will cost you will get with my solution 58.75, so totals to 158.75. So there's 0 point in going that route. You don't have to go into other routes to obtain the support, you gain nothing from going NS. (sorry it took so long to reply but lost internet 🫠 )
hollow glacier
well, there're solutions for S NH on B46 at more than 3.6x, even though we can easily get NS at lower total cost
idk, honestly
just do what you think is better, I guess
undone yoke
did some reordering in b28 to make things line up more progressively
alpine oracle
also sorry for the english on that i assumed it was ok, since it was saved from before I sent it, but now reading it, bloody hell
hollow glacier
don't worry
overall, my thinking on leaving S fleet layouts, even though they may be worse, is just to have visual confirmation for F-node skip calcs
at least that's why I sent my best B46 NS/S NH clears, so someone else can try and upgrade my solutions
at least you can leave S/NS solutions at the brink of them being bad
like, NS solution at 0.025x or 0.1x lower than it's possible to skip S
S solution at the exact power where you can skip S
so in future it will be easier to try improving those
and maybe we will be able to find, overall, better points to skip/not skip support
undone yoke
oh god what is going on here
I don't understand how to view that image, I can't right click it
hollow glacier
I think it's the same image
but not sure
at least it looks the same
also it looks exactly like image above them
trail crane
damn, just found a major improvement for b12 Support. Beats current 1.3, 1.4, 1....
maybe raplace/add with this?
Same on 1.3 and 1.4, but don't required buy cruiser for such result cost.
undone yoke
I have a problem the sheet won't help me with... is this possible to 2-shot like this?
I feel like I'm onto something? but not sure what my options are lol
hollow glacier
I have a problem the sheet won't help me with... is this possible to 2-shot like...
yes, try to use 3.725x?
oh wait
you need to change it somehow
as at 3.8x it's somehow worse
undone yoke
yeah I went through all the sheet layouts lol
pushing into 127 wouldn't help me would it?
it just means fuel efficiency, not FR?
hollow glacier
just changed corvettes to CL without shield
it gives a little less than 7500 damage
undone yoke
yeah but for how much FR spent
hollow glacier
changed layout to this
it gives more than 7.5k
and FR spent is well
All
430 per run?
so for 860 total you will be able to 2-shot at 3.8x with this lineup
I just changed position of CL corvettes with fighters, and no shield on corvettes
this one is even more damage, but shouldn't matter
since both are more than 7.5k
if you test them, you can add them to 3.8x
undone yoke
so for 860 total you will be able to 2-shot at 3.8x with this lineup
wait am I being dumb? can you not do multiple attacks on the base in 1 run?
or is that only the 'minibases'
cause my point here is how to do this with less-than-630 FR
hollow glacier
wait am I being dumb? can you not do multiple attacks on the base in 1 run?
you can
I don't think you can do it with less than 630 FR total
that would require 310 FR clear
scenic lark
just got the free heavy cruiser; whats better to take at M1 now?
undone yoke
I'm getting somewhere...
I'm really not sure what's stronger to teleport between fighter/corvette
livid cradle
has anyone finished G6 without reinforcing? There is a fuel efficiency upgrade but I don’t want to reinforce for it
undone yoke
experimenting with adding a few more ships...
alpine oracle
and maybe we will be able to find, overall, better points to skip/not skip suppo...
i see thanks for the info. will keep in mind 🫡
alpine oracle
maybe raplace/add with this?
Same on 1.3 and 1.4, but don't required buy cruiser...
oooo. Will add if it's not on there, just going to run the calcs for the same levels as the ones that are on the sheets, but great find
can even be improved by having double corvettes... Tad bit annoying, as now I want to put both version in there
by acquiring 2 corvettes*
hollow glacier
I'm really not sure what's stronger to teleport between fighter/corvette
one side favors corvettes, other - fighters
for whatever reason
hollow glacier
has anyone finished G6 without reinforcing? There is a fuel efficiency upgrade b...
it will save you around 24h total if you get it as soon as possible, and you'll do it at s126 FR
approximately
it saved me 14-15 hours at 1.1, not 1.15
livid cradle
so not super necessary?
acoustic jetty
has anyone finished G6 without reinforcing? There is a fuel efficiency upgrade b...
the fuel efficiency is fine, but the base 6 renovation (right in the middle) is the biggest deal
makes your base 6 atifact bonus 2.5x
hollow glacier
yes, b6 renovation will give you 2.5x artifact multi
acoustic jetty
your current bonus is presumably ~2. so you gain +25% more artifacts per run on top of the 15% less fuel per run
plus another 10% FR if you get to S126 if that's likely
undone yoke
experimenting with adding a few more ships...
well this seems to be the most I can do, and the one before the most-for-least-FR that I can manage... think I'm gonna give up and just do 2 full runs to kill the base 😩
alpine oracle
can even be improved by having double corvettes... Tad bit annoying, as now I wa...
put both versions there. with 2 corvettes 10 resources are saved, but I think you end up losing a few more resources with all the nodes before that don't have fighters. b9 loses about ~9 resources but I think there's some nodes up to b10 that use double fighters and replacing them with corvettes will lose more than 1 resource. still good to know.
alpine oracle
someone went ham
covert birch
I didnt really bother with B10 values lol
cause all the reasonable ones were capped at 7.5
regal plover
😄
alpine oracle
😌 aaand that's B9 tidied up
I was so confused looking at it now, but god damn that's perfect. having the best highlighted is 😗 👌
alpine oracle
trying b11 on 1.4x only to find that from 1.3x the setup went from 27.68 to 30.03 🫠 (also just realized that during the past 20 mins while i was testing fleets, my bloody ship was stuck in a warp because it couldn't target phasing enemies 🤦♂️ )
muted quail
I'm trying to beat B22 and I've seen this set up a couple of times but it's not even close to dealing any damage. Does aayone have any tip? I've even tried with 9 medium ships . Maybe I need more fleet damage but saw people had the same number
hollow glacier
I'm trying to beat B22 and I've seen this set up a couple of times but it's not ...
yes, use support
muted quail
nvm didnt see B21 gives me a hazard
undone yoke
hollow glacier
nvm didnt see B21 gives me a hazard
yeah, you need to clear it first
or else it will be very hard
undone yoke
it's wild how much more resources I'm having to spend for minor gains from that layout
hollow glacier
you're still trying to do 310 clear?
since I already sent you 430 clear that works
muted quail
I think I'm doing it terribly, at 42 runs añready but I started at s117
hollow glacier
well, that kinda excuses a lot of things
undone yoke
you're still trying to do 310 clear?
I gave up doing it in this run, went with the 340 layout I had to wrap up my run efficiently, then now I'm trying to see how efficiently I can do the rest
and the difference is like, paying 100 fr for 100 more damage over my layout
which is absurd
alpine oracle
just so i'm not doing anything dumb, you guys never focus on gf right? only like leftovers
alpine oracle
good, relieved at that. only time i focus it is when i go back to old galaxies to finish the node fully for cheevos
undone yoke
this one is even more damage, but shouldn't matter
hrmm
alpine oracle
I like how every run i have to switch my setups 🙃 . If only i had been smart to look for people's runs on discord in all the past galaxies I would probably have hundreds of extra hours of fuel
hollow glacier
in terms of 2-shotting 430 is more effective
hollow glacier
I need to clear 7806 lol
is your FR limited?
undone yoke
nah I can waste a bit, it's a fresh run, but this is so close
undone yoke
I feel like there's more optimization iterations in there but... I've done enough
hollow glacier
and saved myself 1.1 more FR putting corvette shields back on 😂
sometimes shield help, sometimes they don't
covert birch
Well theres what 15 Slots, 5 Ships, 14 Combinations of ships
something else im probably missing
over 1k combonations
hollow glacier
something else im probably missing
for FR spent there's also 3 possible nodes to change ships
covert birch
ye
with a full grid of ships without the cost of it though theres over 1k combinations lol
oh yeah Damage and health
130 diffrent varriations of damage and health
but that has to be reasonable
so around 30 with it starting at 3.5x
30k~ combo's lol
obtuse lagoon
Hi, is there a guide or smthing for that ?
Don't want to think about it, and there is 9512 messages on this post 🤣
obtuse lagoon
🫡
austere adder
<@119635852585336832> can you give us ability in practice mode to change number ...
hmmmm, would be a fiar bit of owrk unfortunately, that ship select really not setup for that, nor how it stores available ships.
For now, if your in the galaxy you just have to go to those nodes andchoose ships to get the same results though so thats not idea.
acoustic jetty
...you can just use math
hollow glacier
but where will shipless advisors go?
acoustic jetty
or wait, can you not use HC at all until HP?
hollow glacier
out of galaxy - no
like, if you have advisor made with 1 of each ship, how will it be shown to people
if at all
acoustic jetty
i did once have the thought that the advisor could both store the best results of all the ship values as it does now, but also translate all of them to the users available ships
im not sure if it does that? like if you have L1 fighter but dont use two fighters, does that result get shown to people who have L1 corvette?
if it's better than any 2 corvette solution?
seems complicated
austere adder
it grabs any that might fit
and gives you bets one
so same node different l1 pick you will get different ones shown
hollow glacier
ooh
so technically, if you have in your solution 2 fighters and 2 corvettes
it will be ideal for both people who chose fighter at L1
and corvette at L1
since it will be same FR
regal plover
oh I forgot to post my final run log
Run 1: B1 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B2 Cleared, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, R2 Level 1
Run 2: F2 Unlocked, B7 Cleared, S2 Level 1, B8 Cleared, B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R2 Level 2
Run 3: F3 Unlocked, S1 Level 2, B11 Cleared, R1 Level 1, R1 Level 2
Run 4: S1 Level 3, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R2 Level 3
Run 5: B12 Cleared, HF Level 1, S2 Level 2, B13 Cleared, R3 Level 1
Run 6: S1 Level 4, B14 Cleared, B15 Cleared, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R3 Level 2
Run 7: S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2, B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R3 Level 3
Run 8: S1 Level 5, BE Level 1, R1 Level 4, R2 Level 4
Run 9: S2 Level 3, B20 Cleared, B21 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2
Run 10: S3 Level 3, B22 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R2 Level 5, R4 Level 3, R1 Level 5
Run 11: S4 Level 1, B24 Cleared, F4 Unlocked, S4 Level 2
Run 12: S2 Level 4, B25 Cleared, B26 Cleared, B27 Cleared, B28 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R1 Level 6, R2 Level 6
Run 13: S3 Level 4, BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 2
Run 14: S2 Level 5, B29 Cleared, R3 Level 4, R4 Level 4
Run 15: S4 Level 3, F5 Unlocked, GF Level 1, R1 Level 7, R2 Level 7
Run 16: B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared, B32 Cleared, S5 Level 1, B33 Cleared, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R1 Level 8, R4 Level 5
Run 17: S4 Level 4, B34 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R6 Level 3
Run 18: HP Level 1, R2 Level 8, R3 Level 5, R1 Level 9, R4 Level 6
Run 19: S5 Level 2, B36 Cleared, F6 Unlocked, R3 Level 6
Run 20: S3 Level 5, B37 Cleared, B38 Cleared, B39 Cleared, B40 Cleared, B41 Cleared, B42 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R2 Level 9, R4 Level 7
Run 22: B43 Cleared, R5 Level 3, R5 Level 4, R7 Level 2, R1 Level 10
Run 23: BB3 Cleared, BB3 Cleared, R6 Level 4, R2 Level 10, R2 Level 11, R1 Level 11, R4 Level 8
Run 24: S6 Level 1, R2 Level 12, R5 Level 5, R6 Level 5
Run 25: R8 Level 1
Run 26: R8 Level 2, R3 Level 8, R1 Level 12
Run 27: S5 Level 3, R5 Level 6, R4 Level 9
Run 28: B44 Cleared, R8 Level 3, R3 Level 9
Run 29: S6 Level 2, B45 Cleared, F8 Unlocked, R6 Level 6, R4 Level 10
Run 30: R7 Level 3, R3 Level 10, R5 Level 7
Run 31: S5 Level 4, B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared, R6 Level 7
Run 32: GF Level 2, R3 Level 11, R4 Level 11, R7 Level 4
Run 33: R4 Level 12, R5 Level 8, R6 Level 8
Run 34: R3 Level 12, R5 Level 9, R6 Level 9
Run 35: R8 Level 4
Run 36: R8 Level 5
Run 37: R5 Level 10, R7 Level 5
Run 38: R5 Level 11, R6 Level 10
Run 39: R5 Level 12, R6 Level 11
Run 40: S6 Level 3
Run 41: R6 Level 12, R7 Level 6
Run 42: S5 Level 5
Run 43: R7 Level 7
Run 44: R7 Level 8
Run 45: R7 Level 9
Run 46: R7 Level 10
Run 47: R7 Level 11
Run 48: S6 Level 4
Run 50: R7 Level 12
Run 51: S6 Level 5
Run 52: GF Level 3, GF Level 4, GF Level 5
Run 53: GF Level 6
Run 54: GF Level 7, GF Level 8
Run 55: GF Level 9
Run 56: GF Level 10
B46 done at run 31, all scrap nodes & all artifacts done at run 51 (both completed during the same run), all nodes complete at run 56.
fickle flame
cause my point here is how to do this with less-than-630 FR
it's basically impossible
just do another run
fickle flame
or wait, can you not use HC at all until HP?
it's impossible to use a ship you don't have in your fleet somewhere, so requires HP or picking heavy cruiser from m1
fickle flame
fast fueling is good
ebon crypt
what does efficiency do? i just readed but i forgot how that work
fickle flame
going to g6 costs less fuel
ebon crypt
oh i see, is there other places to get it?
oblique bane
if you can push sectors a bit it helps, but I think the base and the fuel helps more so don't delay it (too much) for sectors, I made that mistake :p
acoustic jetty
i was thinking the other way around
I reinforced to get the descaler, which got me +1 sector before the galaxy finished
ebon crypt
right now my max clear is 125 and i'm trying to get BB3
acoustic jetty
and you havent reinforced at all? you should just do it now for fuel efficiency and base
ebon crypt
well, if i do bb3 first i will have a longer reinforce later
i just need to find a way to clear easy b33 bcs it kills me hard
alpine oracle
for posterity's sake removing this from b5. Replacing it with fighters using mini railguns, as it is always either equal or better.
alpine oracle
bruh
hollow island
:D
alpine oracle
it's literally because of a spawn time of 0.1ms, just as my last ship is about to shoot enemies spawn and it doesn't fire towards the base
Q_Q
did it x.x
only took 19 setups 🫠
now to see if i can improve on it because it'd save quite a handy amount of resources if it actually manages to get to 750 damage
can't seem to do it. here's the setup if anyone wants to take a crack at it and try to lower the resources from 160+160 to 150+150
alpine oracle
found this beauty. need to run some calcs to see if it beats anything other than 1.6x later on when i have the time. @undone yoke changed the 1.9 and moved a few builds down and double checked just to make sure i didn't ruin any of your work. Some of the images wouldn't cut for some reason, which is a bit annoying but, yeah, think everything is still where it should be 🤞
undone yoke
oh that's a very helpful legend whoever put that in 🙏
dude those 3 'hamber menu' dots aren't even visible on my screen
I wouldn't even know that's there without someone telling me
wait a damn minute
that's ALL the possible scrap, right?
spreedsheet agrees, so Sylv is trolling a little here
undone yoke
deleting this result for B18 in favor of the improved layout below it
toxic dust
b46
undone yoke
deleting this bottom one from B15 because it's not actually an improvement on the top one
ebon crypt
Now i'm trying to get B33 bcs they kick my behind HARD
Yup, i tried again and i got kicked again
i reach b33 with like 700 resources, i try to get everything like full cruisers + heavy ones ... i got my behind kicked still
hollow glacier
what's your power?
ebon crypt
i have 0 idea where to check that
tepid imp
here
ebon crypt
undone yoke
gonna go ahead and remove this middle b46 layout, can't find any matching 'best result' for it
ebon crypt
i'm invested in this little journey ok? please don't stop
undone yoke
trying now to figure out whether the image that got posted into F18, which should be a text cell, and was also a MASSIVE image for some reason, is a copy of stuff already there
ok it's just the same image as in F19
looks like F19 is also just the same image in F17? seems like someone tried to make an insert and failed terribly
back on july 3rd
hollow glacier
your GF is a little overinvested
but according to spreadsheet, b33 can easily be cleared with your stats
undone yoke
someone keeps changing the text wraparound to not be wraparound and it's a little annoying
ebon crypt
your GF is a little overinvested
but according to spreadsheet, b33 can easily be...
i don't have a girlfriend
undone yoke
this second one should probably get deleted now the thing it was being compared to is restored, I'm gonna leave that up to someone else
don't feel like testing that one
ebon crypt
i have 54 runs on G6 so maybe that's why's so invested with residuals
Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, F1 Unlocked, B3 Cleared, B4 Cleared, B5 Cleared, S1 Level 1, B6 Cleared, R1 Level 1 Run 2: R1 Level 2, R2 Level 1 Run 3: F2 Unlocked, B7 Cleared, R2 Level 2, B8 Cleared Run 4: B9 Cleared, B10 Cleared, R1 Level 3, R1 Level 4 Run 5: B10 Cleared, R1 Level 5 Run 6: B10 Cleared, R1 Level 6 Run 7: R2 Level 3, S2 Level 1, B10 Cleared Run 8: B10 Cleared, R2 Level 4 Run 9: B11 Cleared, R1 Level 7, R2 Level 5 Run 10: F3 Unlocked Run 11: R1 Level 8, S1 Level 2 Run 12: R2 Level 6 Run 13: R2 Level 7 Run 15: BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 9 Run 16: BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 10 Run 17: BB1 Cleared, R1 Level 11 Run 18: B12 Cleared Run 19: HF Level 1, R1 Level 12 Run 20: R3 Level 1, R3 Level 2, B13 Cleared Run 21: GF Level 1, S1 Level 3 Run 22: B14 Cleared, S1 Level 4 Run 23: R3 Level 3 Run 24: S2 Level 2, B15 Cleared Run 25: S1 Level 5 Run 26: R3 Level 4, R2 Level 8, B16 Cleared Run 27: R2 Level 9 Run 28: R2 Level 10 Run 29: B20 Cleared, R4 Level 1, R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3 Run 30: B18 Cleared, B19 Cleared, R2 Level 11, R2 Level 12 Run 31: BE Level 1, S2 Level 3 Run 32: R4 Level 4, B21 Cleared, B21 Cleared Run 33: B21 Cleared, B23 Cleared, R3 Level 5 Run 34: R3 Level 6, R4 Level 5 Run 35: R4 Level 6, B24 Cleared Run 36: B25 Cleared, S4 Level 1, R3 Level 7 Run 37: R4 Level 7 Run 38: R3 Level 8, F4 Unlocked, B27 Cleared, S2 Level 4 Run 39: R4 Level 8, B28 Cleared Run 40: B26 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R5 Level 2, R5 Level 3 Run 41: R4 Level 9, R5 Level 4 Run 42: R3 Level 9, GF Level 2, B29 Cleared Run 43: BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 5 Run 44: BB2 Cleared, R5 Level 6, R3 Level 10 Run 45: R4 Level 10 Run 46: F5 Unlocked, S2 Level 5 Run 47: B30 Cleared, R3 Level 11 Run 48: R3 Level 12, R4 Level 11 Run 49: B31 Cleared, R4 Level 12 Run 50: B17 Cleared, S3 Level 1, S3 Level 2 Run 51: S3 Level 3, S3 Level 4, B32 Cleared Run 52: S3 Level 5, R6 Level 1, R6 Level 2, R6 Level 3, S4 Level 2 Run 53: R6 Level 4, R6 Level 5, B22 Cleared Run 54: R6 Level 6, F7 Unlocked, S4 Level 3
undone yoke
removing this last one for b17
tribal harness
something seems off (i have 290.15 FR left and it costs 320 to deploy the fleet but it's letting me do so. however i cannot start battle)
fickle flame
wtf did you do
did you click a 'previous completion' that used more FR than you currently have 🤔
interesting
ebon crypt
maybe an undo or something
tribal harness
did you click a 'previous completion' that used more FR than you currently have ...
well yes but actually no
what i did was i clicked a previous completion while having the heavy cruiser pop up still on my screen
so what happened was
it spawned the fleet in, but kept the heavy cruiser price at 40 FR
austere adder
hax
ebon crypt
oh no the polezia
rotund trail
what does flip mean in the g6 layout stuff in the 1st google doc that's pinned?
just mirroring it the opposite way?
fickle flame
basically yes
primal junco
Base 43.... ☠️
muted quail
could someone share the B30 grid and stats? I'm having some trouble clearing it in an efficient way
hazy briar
If I have 3.8 damage and health, that mean I can skip all F nodes?
undone yoke
could someone share the B30 grid and stats? I'm having some trouble clearing it ...
refer to the sheet in the pins
undone yoke
If I have 3.8 damage and health, that mean I can skip all F nodes?
you basically want to always use support for BB2 off on its branch but otherwise once you've done the base clears the supports are there for, yeah you can skip 'em
wet kestrel
I am a bit confused and for the life of me cannot understand or remember how you unlock these versions of the ships
regal plover
ok just making sure: is there anything at all left for me to do in g6 besides use it to farm the fleet kills achievements? or can I basically consider it retired (ignoring potential fleet kill farming cause eww..)
undone yoke
looking like 39 runs to clear b46 and gonna be around 63 runs to finish g6 artifacts, got all nodes done (except GF) on run 61
fickle flame
ok just making sure: is there anything at all left for me to do in g6 besides us...
no
regal plover
extra retrofits can be obtained via g1 and galaxy travels for the achievement can also be better obtained from g1
fickle flame
but g6 is more efficient for fleet kills :)
regal plover
but g6 is more efficient for fleet kills \:)
yeah, besides that ONE thing..
undone yoke
I think I'd rather buy UT fuel
undone yoke
this is the only other thing I'm considering post-g6 and it's like... so super tiny
fickle flame
now that one is easy
undone yoke
easy... but efficient?
that's what, 5 visits?
3-4 here?
g3 at least is a 1-visit for me, level 9/10 right now already, thanks to clearing it before the unlimited-trove change
g4 is all done 🤔 huh
does this not count until it reaches 0?
regal plover
does this not count until it reaches 0?
that counts towards nodes completed, even without zeroing it
undone yoke
g5 overall looks like a buncha visits for me, 4/10 GF, 4/6 R7, I didn't visit D2A at all
-# oh so I guess that one at least would be simpler than I thought
oh and r6 8/10
like all in all that's a couple days of fuel no?
just for that achievement? mehhh
neon storm
Could some check my setup with 1.7 or 1.9 for B14, with my 1.825 i am getting 51.39 used
hollow glacier
do you know how to use practice mod?
neon storm
nope
hollow glacier
click on already completed node
neon storm
ah i see it now
hollow glacier
or on a node that's not accessible right noiw
neon storm
hadn't finished it yet, so it wasn't showing up
ig the sheets pic is weird cuz the numbers don't line up for me
undone yoke
<:Hmm:966322660843851876> ig the sheets pic is weird cuz the numbers don't line ...
what's weird? 1.825 is in between 1.8x and 1.9x there
shifts like that happen all over
neon storm
if i try the sheets setup in practice mode i don't get the 48.52 it's saying
undone yoke
right? that's for 1.9x
undone yoke
same result here, maybe it's old data or got entered on the wrong layout
can't find any obvious variation that results in the sheet one
though I am finding improvements on 53.52
neon storm
currently this setup is giving me a good result for 1.7 at 54.18, 1.8 at 51.21 and 1.9 at 49.91
only real difference is that corvette is charge laser which allows it to survive and hit harder
at 1.825 and above if you remove corvette shield it becomes slightly better
neon storm
seems to be, i also can't get the 2.0 version to work for me on B14 but that's something else.
for now should i remove these 2 and put in my setup with the resource costs?
neon storm
should i just add it above the first image then?
the first image is def a correct setup, seems a bit pointless but maybe it's for the hazard
maybe in between them ig
undone yoke
somebody really messed something up with B20 row 17 sometime yesterday
actually seems to have happened sometime earlier
undone yoke
I didn't find any rogue images floating on the page, b13 21 is missing
neon storm
ig for now i'll just insert the new setup between the 2 setups that are already there for 1.7
with the added note that from 1.825 corvette without shield is slightly better
undone yoke
somebody this morning about 3 hours ago appears to have really messed up adding in a new layout or something
neon storm
undone yoke
and then just left it 🤦♂️
neon storm
should i insert mine now or do i wait?
undone yoke
wait for what?
neon storm
not sure maybe you wanted to fix something
undone yoke
there's no layout image there in the version history
I'm not futzing with it if that's what you mean
neon storm
aight then imma insert the new setup
nova shuttle
so just how does that ship printer thing work? Best I figure is gives me a free bonus ship of that type to place in every fight? (just unlocked the heavy cruiser one)
fervent zinc
the HP node or the HF node?
HF just changes the M1 node so that you can select either cruiser or heavy cruiser
HP node just gives you +1 heavy cruiser slot permenantly
nova shuttle
HP node
ah so there was a limit to it? Just happened to never notice even when fighting bases and filled all my ship slots
fervent zinc
the deplyoment limit, yeah
without HP, at B1 you can deploy 0 heavy cruisers,
with HP, at B1 you can deploy 1 heavy cruiser at 20 FR (or overdeploy more HCs at higher cost)
neon storm
i found the b16 1.825- 48.52 have added it into the sheet
nova shuttle
b36 is/....brutal. ouch
small wren
this is brutal i can event survive the hasard
i just find it the fighter can be also used to absorb hit and die
hollow glacier
use like
4-5 fighters
they will absorb hits with their barriers
4 fighters is 36 ships
5 is 45
fickle flame
you get two barriers per ship, too
stone depot
just got g5 finished, considering waiting to see if i can get another stage or maybe 2 if possible to get a few rounds of g6 under my belt befor i reinforce, should i wait for 123 at least before spending any fuel or just do it now and get it done with at 121 and suffer a bit for the lower starting resource?
quasi orbit
if anyone's at 2.4 or 2.425 can you test this setup on b9? if it works at those it might be a better one than the current NS/NH for that stat multi
I had 2.45 and got 75 used
wait, i can literally just do practice battle to test
im really dumb
2.4 is 77.5 resources
is there a pin for how to add to the spreadsheet?
acoustic jetty
if you just copy and paste it's fine
acoustic jetty
is there a pin for how to add to the spreadsheet?
but if you want to know how to put images inside cells, there's an explanation on the "legend" tab
old silo
omg i've been inting i didn't realize you can do A9 multiple times
Auto distribute doesn't put extra fr into it right?
fickle flame
nope
ebon crypt
Right now i'm at BB3 trying to find a good configuration for it
hollow glacier
Right now i'm at BB3 trying to find a good configuration for it
spreadsheet can't help with it, or you're trying to upgrade it?
ebon crypt
spreadsheet can't help with it, or you're trying to upgrade it?
spreadsheet?
hollow glacier
in pins
ebon crypt
how does it work?
hollow glacier
you open spreadsheet
read "legend" tab
find tab with your node, BB3 in that case
find clear that has closest power to yours with lowest FR used and your conditions
check it out
ebon crypt
i have 0 idea what info i'm looking
hollow glacier
did you read legend tab?
hollow glacier
closest to yours is this
ebon crypt
S/H/L2vet: 3.225x-170 (2 shot, remove A2 on second attempt) / 3.5x-2892.400002dmg
S/H/[No B1]: 3.5x-160 (2521.400002dmg) (check against 2-shot posted later)
sadly i don't have enough resources to spare to do all that, so i need to wait, bcs i just did not reinforced bcs i did not wanted
hollow glacier
well, reinforcing won't give you higher FR
ebon crypt
nope
hollow glacier
anyways, this clear is closest guaranteed
hollow glacier
you can try lower clear
the one with a lot of bold front
but it wasn't tested on lower strengths
ebon crypt
yeah but i can't practice
i believe i did something like 500 dmg but i did 3 rounds
ill try later don't worry, tx for the tips
alpine oracle
found a lil improvement for b12 up until we can remove some ships
mortal dagger
for the data boiz, posting a final base clear setup that gets the job done in 4 tries. it's trash in the fact that I went in with 3.9 ship power 
hollow glacier
well, I need only 1 last trip to G6, and all nodes will be done
undone yoke
for the data boiz, posting a final base clear setup that gets the job done in 4 ...
I think most folks are reaching last base with 3.8-3.9 power though?
my question with that setup is does 4x230 wind up more efficient than the others
hollow glacier
my question with that setup is does 4x230 wind up more efficient than the others
considering that we have 430 FR for 2 clears at 3.725x
I guess we can find something equally as good at 3.8-3.9, and 2x430 is better than 4x230
also in my opinion most folks actually get to last base with like less than 3.5
undone yoke
are you counting unlocking the support node along with that?
hollow glacier
yes
undone yoke
mm
hollow glacier
I did end up at b46 with 3.525x or 3.425x
but then I heard that it's impossible to 2-shot it with lower than 3.6x
so I spent some time to get scrap
maybe I'm not "most folks", but idk
undone yoke
looking at my galaxy history I cleared b43 on run 33 then did a bunch of scrapping, took b44/b45 on the way, unlocked f8 run 38, finally did b46 in runs 39/40
61 runs total to finish
hollow glacier
Run 36: F8 Unlocked, R8 Level 1, R8 Level 2
Run 37: S5 Level 2, B43 Cleared, B44 Cleared, R6 Level 6
Run 38: S4 Level 5, B45 Cleared, R7 Level 3
Run 39: R8 Level 3, R5 Level 6
Run 40: S6 Level 2, R4 Level 10, R3 Level 10
Run 41: S5 Level 3
Run 42: S5 Level 4, B46 Cleared, B46 Cleared
as you can see, I spent a few scrap runs too, because I had just TOO low strength
well, G6 finally completed
every GF, R and S node
undone yoke
how many runs did the GF take?
hollow glacier
something like 8 runs
undone yoke
cuz I got the last of S/R node done on my last run
hollow glacier
do note, that I also farmed full scrap in some of them
undone yoke
oh I went full scrap up until I noticed it would take me 2 runs to finish R7 either way
which must have not been too efficient for artifacts, I guess lol
light flax
Classic, have to do one more run.
57 runs in total with all nodes fully leveled.
Finished B46 at run33 as 3.425x in three separate runs.
ebon crypt
Classic, have to do one more run.
57 runs in total with all nodes fully leveled....
just undo and try to improve your fights to see if you reach everything
and you squish more stuff
light flax
It's generally a good tip but for me advisor doesn't show any better results than I already have.
There are two nodes that there is better ship placement from advisor, but I can't find them and they're not in the pinned spreadsheet but it's less than 10 fuel.
ebon crypt
or maybe auto battle
ebon crypt
well i'm finding new stuff reading well the battles
mortal dagger
considering that we have 430 FR for 2 clears at 3.725x
I guess we can find somet...
that's impressive lol
mortal dagger
I think most folks are reaching last base with 3.8-3.9 power though?
I said what I said, because I was able to reach the base much earlier than that. I spent a few farming runs for S nodes to prep for the base fight not entirely knowing how it would have played out. but the longterm strategy would have been to dump scrap into R nodes for artifacts
acoustic jetty
the runs immediately after killing B46 are just going to full clears for scrap to feed R nodes
to be optimal. you wont have much FR to spend on A6 yet
so, if you dont have the FR to beat B46 efficiently, you might as well do a full scrap clear instead
mortal dagger
I'm well aware of that
acoustic jetty
i just checked, the 490 setup does over 9k at 3.9x stats
i wonder if there's a 3-shot though
hollow glacier
you think that 3-shotting might be more efficient for FR at higher power?
acoustic jetty
maybe
if the current best is 490+410
(i havent checkd if the 410 exists at 3.8, but i assume it does)
hollow glacier
if the current best is 490+410
it's for 3.625 and 3.65x
acoustic jetty
that gives up to 300FR to play with looking for 5k, doesn seem impossible
hollow glacier
for 3.725x it's 430+430
acoustic jetty
i see, so it would be ~290 plus or minus
at best
again assuming those runs work at 3.9
they probably do
hollow glacier
I also still don't know
how someone should clear b46 at 3.6x
since 490+410 fails miserably
and other clears use so much FR
I think we have only 3.425x clear, but it's very FR-inefficient
fervent zinc
and other clears use so much FR
so much! My clear is better than 900 FR! 😦
hollow glacier
so much! My clear is better than 900 FR! 😦
your clear isn't 3.6x
I was talking only about 3.6x or lower clears
every one 3.6x or lower I see on the spreadsheet takes a lot of FR
fervent zinc
oh there are pre 3.6x clears now?
fervent zinc
pricey
oh good mine's still the cheapest... I think
those descriptions got super messy lol
hollow glacier
yes, currently yours is probably the best FR for clear
hollow glacier
those descriptions got super messy lol
they did indeed, I'm not even looking at those
fervent zinc
3.425x is pretty impressive. I'm going to stroke my own ego, and say it looks like they took my clear as the base. I'm the king of B46!
fervent zinc
they did indeed, I'm not even looking at those
glad I dont have to look at it anymore <.<
more is not better lol
ebon crypt
I found this setup works with 2 shot
S/H/L2vet: 3.225x-170 (2 shot, remove A2 on second attempt) / 3.5x-2892.400002dmg
but i had already dmg previously so i don't know if is 2shot or 3
ebon crypt
it should work
alpine oracle
for posterity's sake removing removing this from b12. new method applies to 2.4x and beats this one's 2.5x on 2.4x
pine siren
I'm getting ready to start on this node. Is this the current best layout or is there something a bit more optimimal if we don't have R8 fully populated?
undone yoke
check the sheet
hollow glacier
I'm getting ready to start on this node. Is this the current best layout or is ...
that depends on your strength
we have layouts for 3.425, 3.625-3.65 and 3.725 and... 3.8, iirc
pine siren
check the sheet
got a link? can't seem to find it...I used the previous layout and was able to take everything in 3 runs. 🤷♂️
hollow glacier
pins
tropic junco
What is the maximum fleet health/damage for g6? I have 4.05 with all shipyard upgrades, but I can see 4.15 and 4.25 in the spreadsheet, what am I missing?
tropic junco
Ah missed that one completelly. Thanks!
acoustic jetty
note that gaining GF is generally "bad"
it's possible to clear the galaxy with 0 levels in it. having 1 level at the point you're beating B46 probably optimal
more than 2 levels and you've definitely wasted FR somewhere
that's not really addressed to you, you're clearly post clear
twilit bone
I hit level 3 18 runs before completely polishing off b46 without going out of my way to waste FR so idk
mortal dagger
I tried to dump leftover FR in F nodes rather than GF, since F nodes are what allow you to progress
this gets a lot easier to set up once you reach the junction at B16
alpine oracle
for posterity's sake removing removing this from b29. new build i found beats all of these
also this for the same reason
also removing this as another current build beats all of this
fickle flame
same ships and such available yes
alpine oracle
same ships and such available yes
yh
even less ships
no need for double fighters
fickle flame
yeah true
austere adder
Suggestions for G7+
https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1392564429744509060
hollow glacier
where's Alephs' clear?
for b46
okay, so
this is clear for S/NH for 3.6x we currently have
there's a better clear I was made aware of
as this one uses 74.94 at 3.6x
so I will delete clear above, and post clear below
and at 3.65x it required some different positioning(
still, at 3.6x we can easily skip F8 even with that clear
tough grotto
once G6 is cleared is there any point in going back to try and 100% every single node? or is it all just a dump into UT after that point?
light flax
303/306 nodes, so you can skip GF if you dont want to
tough grotto
well neat. got 305 done. no need to finish off G6's GF then. thanks!
warm drift
i got to like b30 ish just auto improving here and there and i finally went through the spreadsheet in the pin to improve the battles and was saving half the resources on like every other battle lmaoooo so much wasted resource 😮💨
light flax
didn't even use advisor?
early on I had trouble summoning the button, but after that I used it all the time
scenic lark
I almost never saw the advisor button
stone depot
i think i saw advisor button like twice before getting to g6, definitely imagine i was super inefficient seeing some of the logic on battles/layouts now
light flax
when it's a logical layout - shield damage vs shielded enemies, then i like to find it by my own for the first time, but when the best result (which is often) happens because enemies overshotting single ship, then i just go with the advisor/spreadsheet
fervent zinc
😦 Guys stop finding new layouts
foggy flower
I've probably went overkill but that was done in one sweep ^^
The sole purpose of those two fighters picks was to distract the snipers and... well they died well ^^
nova shuttle
that final galaxy6 battle node...yikes man. Can't even touch it
warm drift
when in doubt spreadsheet out
harsh musk
for people early in the galaxy, if you only need to use two cruisers for one battle in that visit, it's cheaper to overdeploy than it is to use the fabricator
stone depot
feel like i need a load more FR to get farther in galaxy, tried looking at that calc but i think its mostly useful for the end rather than still getting he map first clear'd
finished bb2 last run but dont feel like ill be able to get past that mini wall with b29+ range for awhile
ebon crypt
well i "finished" g6 time to reinforce
Perhaps i could squish from e20 to e23 for the base stuff but i don't know
hollow glacier
well, if you reinforced for b6 renovation, you easily could've gotten to 3e23
ebon crypt
i like to squish all i can in order to have longest progressions
hollow glacier
well
longest doesn't equal better I guess
red rose
(Hope this is the right place here)
So I´m a bit confused, either I encountered a bug or just doing something wrong (way more likely, but I still believe in the chance that it´s not my fault^^): I have Heavy Cruiser unlocked, but how/where can I actually buy/use them? Just did a run here in G6 (Heavy Cruiser node was already unlocked when the run started!), yet there was no option to select it. An explanation/a tip would be highly appreciated 😄
austere adder
M1 node
red rose
So it was my own incompetence again... * sigh *
Thanks^^
undone yoke
I actually got confused by that at first too, thought it was just gonna be starting ship but then read the fine print
fervent zinc
So it was my own incompetence again... _*_ _sigh_ _*_
Thanks^^
nah, like half the people miss it
red rose
nah, like half the people miss it
this actually does make me feel 1% better😅
fervent zinc
Sylv might just want to change it from "ship choice nodes next run" to "M1"
Not entirely sure how much that would help, but I bet it'd help a little
fickle flame
it is actually ship choice this run if you skipped m1, too
nova shuttle
yay finally beat the g6 node that unlocks the warp tether...but uh...game didn't mention it also unlocks 2 new warp spots. That was major useful info
fickle flame
those two are only accessable after tether is unlocked
unlocked as in, usuable - when massive warp drive tree is maxed
nova shuttle
Did it in one shot though just barely, needed every last node maxed out except for the first GF node (6/10). ||
ah bummer okies
fickle flame
fickle flame
Did it in one shot though just barely, needed every last node maxed out except f...
you know you can fight it multiple times right
nova shuttle
yep. I just try to hardcore do all the big fights in one go
nova shuttle
like when I did first prestige then hardcore grinded enough to finish all the rest of the prestige points. Because it was doable though incredibly inefficient
nova shuttle
think I gonna need a screenshot of how to do the final big fight in g6 though, I dunno how to read the spreadsheets or the mess of numbers and letters people use. Gimme a few hours and I should be able to test with enough resources to fill every node with same ships if I wanted
fickle flame
like when I did first prestige then hardcore grinded enough to finish all the re...
right, you went all the way from r1 to r4 in one go...
nova shuttle
last time I tried B46, any setup I tried couldn't even touch the cap ship at all
hollow glacier
what power you have?
foggy flower
D3 has been toppled 🎉
alpine oracle
was fun peeps 🙂
nova shuttle
ok maxed every possible node, don't think it's possible to get more dps anywhere for the final big fight in galaxy 6. Looks like might be actually impossible to do it in one go? Over 10k damage done though.
nova shuttle
quite close though, if not for the middle row back column moving speed being nerfed so hard
fickle flame
that thing has its move speed nerfed so it doesn't rush into enemies and die before it can shoot
because it takes a really long time to shoot
nova shuttle
ah
mortal dagger
I forgot that I did this at one point
nova shuttle
A9A9A9A9A9A9A9A9A9 😆
nova shuttle
5603 for me is the max amount, having gotten to 126 at the furthest
foggy flower
Got the 2-shot in B46 ^^
foggy flower
And down you go!
foggy flower
I forgot that I did this at one point <:Yougetusedtoit:1160356304875950112>
Wait for me! 🤣
foggy flower
Ah well... forgot B41 💀
foggy flower
Now I guess it is up to finish this and then reinforce for a last time in this update
hollow glacier
yep
foggy flower
I'm estimating tomorrow to be reinforcement time but I think that will be 30 hours
mortal dagger
it's 12k artifacts if you have FR maxed out (excluding the GF node) and base 6 "finalized" once
harsh musk
the beam lasers make command ships and bases much, much easier to get in one fight