Sylv's constantly tackling bugs though, so you may have stumbled on one that is actually impossible
#G6/z69-6
fervent zinc
fleet surge
how the hell to post a screenshot to that new sheet with image per cell???
asking 3rd time
glad iris
Sylv has done good job at removing most RNG factors
There still might be some unpopular unknown ones
unborn quail
is there no NSH S26 setup ? x)
glad iris
is there no NSH S26 setup ? x)
Not worth it
fervent zinc
lol no, it'd be like 20 cruisers
unborn quail
lol ok :p
fleet surge
is there no NSH S26 setup ? x)
iirc there was some 899 or 799 one
anybody knows who made sheets to separate cells?
glad iris
you mean this?
fleet surge
checked back in on the F sheet. F5 actually skippable at 2.9x
teach me how to post the freaking layout!!!!!
or we wil lose it:):)
unborn quail
windows + shift + s -> crop your screen -> ctrl + v onto the sheet -> move in the cell _
fervent zinc
what is alt shift s
unborn quail
edited :3
fleet surge
im sreening with ShareX thats ok - its in buffer - i used to ctrl+v lots of them but now its image inside single cell
fervent zinc
ah
glad iris
Oh somebody did a thing
acoustic jetty
ctrl+v on top of the box is still fine
fleet surge
Oh somebody did a thing
yeah but forgot to add documentation π
acoustic jetty
someone else will fix it π
fervent zinc
whyyyyyyyyyy
glad iris
Who does documentation on a random internet sheet 
fleet surge
ctrl+v on top of the box is still fine
yep been doing that a few times - but it doesnt accept image right now - ive cnahged pages but not accepting neither image nor file
if ill refresh ill lose edit access
acoustic jetty
oof
fleet surge
ok thats np anyway
acoustic jetty
on my personal sheet my bad layouts are better than my other bad layouts
fleet surge
woohoo uploaded im very proud:)
acoustic jetty
so i can skip too
acoustic jetty
the annoying part is someone might find a clutch support solution and un-skip it
fleet surge
the annoying part is someone might find a clutch support solution and un-skip it
ur right..
but most of ppl rushing SHC so..
fervent zinc
unlikely though, most of the try hards have try hard'd already
acoustic jetty
the grid spots are pretty limiting at least, F5 doesnt have a lot of wiggle room
fleet surge
with SHC and 2.9x stats it would be very worth
but then again i was gonna get from 2.9x to 3.1x on this run so
acoustic jetty
can you even get HP with 2.9x
fleet surge
can you even get HP with 2.9x
yes not a problem
acoustic jetty
in a reasonable number of runs? I went stats over FR and also im bad
fleet surge
ive invested something on last run
but ive had 115.33 FR left and also leveled R nodes that i ve been skipping and also i dont need B17 node so +35 and +70
couple runs
i just had different goals
fervent zinc
can you even get HP with 2.9x
think I did it with 2.8
#1387177734215827549 message any reason for this to be pinned? It's just repeating the spreadsheet...? @timber turret (because you're the only one I know who has pin powers lol)
fleet surge
im 3x:)
thats so easy to write down no more dots...
lol B33 going from 2.9x to 3x
that layout was for 2.9x only π
now using another one for 50.96
i mean it served its purpose
fair to write f5 can be skipped around 3x - cause 3x giving stuffFR
verbal zodiac
Looking at the spreadsheet, I don't think anybody's found a better repeat clear for BB2 than 60 committed, 55 used, choice agnostic?
fleet surge
Looking at the spreadsheet, I don't think anybody's found a better repeat clear ...
lol
first time im here to try to grind S bb2
right when u wrote that ive finished b26
verbal zodiac
Nice, I think that one's out of my current strength range though.
fleet surge
whats your stats and what mode r u fighting? s f1 f4
fleet surge
for me this one fails im at 3x but i have one from sheets for 48.64
fervent zinc
lol mirrored layouts are fun
why are we labeling HP clears anyway? we arent labeling l1/m1 choices
and every clear after b33 (or whatever) has HP
prime ice
do you need to bother with f7 again once b43 base is down?
strong coral
i stopped using F7 at some point, but i don't know whether it was straight after
fervent zinc
do you need to bother with f7 again once b43 base is down?
my best clear without f7 is 66 FR so... yeah F7 isnt going to save me 100 FR π
prime ice
rip still short of d3
fervent zinc
progress!
fleet surge
oof
swift maple
I'd like something similar to that π
fervent zinc
lol, f6 skippable by 3.725
fervent zinc
someone has to be able to beat this, it was the first thing I threw together π¦
fleet surge
holysmokes b46 is eternity away
fervent zinc
oh someone deleted my clear. Thjat fucking sucks, I'm not trying to find it again lol
swift maple
SHC is "Single Heavy Cruiser?"
swift maple
oh someone deleted my clear. Thjat fucking sucks, I'm not trying to find it agai...
Yeah I imagine they thought "it's technically worse"
But yeah next time this happens methinks it's a good idea to not use anon mode, that way people's contributions/deletions could be tracked?
acoustic jetty
ha
swift maple
Ah yeah
acoustic jetty
i just tried to look at the edit history to see what tools we have to even detect sabotage
swift maple
Starting, makes sense
swift maple
i just tried to look at the edit history to see what tools we have to even detec...
Anon doesn't work
acoustic jetty
and it lagged out my browser
swift maple
You need to actually have people provide their email addresses to be whitelisted
acoustic jetty
so not many tools there
fervent zinc
Yeah I imagine they thought "it's technically worse"
actually it just got shifted and relabeled, but they didnt delete the original text it looks like. So, best FR clear for B46 is still there!
swift maple
I'd certainly be interested, maybe hidden until whitelisted? (So that non-whitelisted couldn't? Goes against the idea of "assistance" though)
swift maple
actually it just got shifted and relabeled, but they didnt delete the original t...
Ah
fervent zinc
they also labeled it 580 FR for some reason lol
swift maple
Maybe an accident
fervent zinc
ya it was a mess, but I fixed it up
fervent zinc
... oh man someone has fried chicken outside. Now I want fried chicken
prime ice
lol
fervent zinc
drama in the g6 sheet
fervent zinc
I just added that π¦
swift maple
Good
fervent zinc
there's one that has like 10 sucesses, and then randomly in the center of it there's a fail
I love that one
swift maple
Is that in the 20s range?
fervent zinc
dont remember
fervent zinc
because it was better shrug
I just added that one too lol
you could go verify the 3.625 is better/worse with the flipped fighter. I didnt
fervent zinc
nah, am too lazy to put in that much effort π¦
swift maple
Ah
fervent zinc
like the attempt immediately prior to the 430 clear, was like 50% worse
I flipped 1 ship
strong coral
i've been there, there was at least one of the G5 advisors i thought was absolutely impossible until i just randomised placement and then it worked
strong coral
"fine! screw you corvettes, i'll put you right up against armoured ships!"
... wait, that worked?
fervent zinc
B46 is just a nightmare, it really exposes how chaotic fleet is (if you somehow missed it before then)
acoustic jetty
in a few battles the fighter weapon isnt for damage
fervent zinc
absoultely nothing makes sense when flipping ships around
acoustic jetty
it's just a switch for "behave differently for new rng"
strong coral
if you could force ships to target specific enemy groups, it'd be a wholly different experience
fervent zinc
that's in Sylv's autobattler after USI
swift maple
it's just a switch for "behave differently for new rng"
RNG isn't seeded like that, is it?
Oh, my bad, missed the joke setup message before it
fervent zinc
no, there's no RNG. it's just the chaos of fighyers
swift maple
So the strategy for fastest G6 clear is artifact runs
Beeline straight to A9 and dump everything? (And pick up A6)
fervent zinc
think sola said it was scrap runs
swift maple
Hmmmmmmmm
fervent zinc
beeline b46 ofc for the 1.5x fuel
swift maple
Ofc
So doing every battle possible, that's like
-1200 or so artifacts each run
But +300 or so scrap?
fervent zinc
more, and I havent finished
strong coral
focusing scrap then focusing res saved a few runs, if i remember the spreadsheet
meager bay
lol, f6 skippable by 3.725
yah, i think i pushed S too much at some point. B46 at run 36 isn't terrible, but probably could have been a few sooner
swift maple
The 0.1 stats saves me "not that many resources" I thought
fervent zinc
full clear, before A9
swift maple
Yeah but now you're missing SO many artifacts
But I might switch to scrap runs
What's your stats?
fervent zinc
oh thank god, I'm at 150 FR and not 149. I dont want to optimize
swift maple
3.725?
strong coral
this is sola's scrap vs res calculator: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1isMhMeoTuihf5OIX6rmwQ0G6vwIAQSO1lGIPw4gfclk/edit?gid=1291123235#gid=1291123235
fervent zinc
3.725 yeah
swift maple
I used to do every battle by running it instead of auto-ing (for the achievements) but yikes
glad iris
Does auto work for achievements?
strong coral
i had the achievement for fleet kills pop after i hit repeat last run...
swift maple
swift maple
i had the achievement for fleet kills pop after i hit repeat last run...
Hmmmmmmm
Ok
Interesting
sharp thorn
iirc the only one that doesn't count is the command battles one
but even that mightve changed
swift maple
Ah, nice, so I can stop
strong coral
it might have been delayed or something, but i was surprised
swift maple
Thx guys
strong coral
you should be able to check pretty quickly by looking at the counts, right?
fervent zinc
oh no
sharp thorn
is that accounting for resource gain over time?
strong coral
resource gain over time?
swift maple
resource gain over time?
It means resource multiplier increases every run
strong coral
ah, that makes sense
swift maple
Should be "over runs" not really "over time" but it takes time so IDK
sharp thorn
halfway, but not really
swift maple
Sucks that this is additive, I take it so that stuff doesn't get out of hand?
swift maple
halfway, but not really
2 upgrades left?
swift maple
Ah
fervent zinc
no, it is
fervent zinc
that's what I've been wasting my time on the last too many hours π¦
prime ice
how many runs til b46 done?
strong coral
when you have thousands of AI points, it's hard not to spend a few hundred and skip a day
prime ice
gotta save those ai points til i need them later
swift maple
The good old Consumable problem
"Gotta save them until I can best use them"
Never uses them
swift maple
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Some of the worst achievements have pure AI ponts behind them
strong coral
Destroy 1e8 enemies
π
prime ice
9960 ai points left lol
swift maple
Same, sorta
prime ice
anyways, im on run 34 and i still havent broken d3 yet, how far behind am i?
swift maple
Only a few
glad iris
> Destroy 1e8 enemies
π
Honestly this was fine over time
swift maple
9960 ai points left lol
Wait, you've never bought any?
prime ice
no consumables
fleet surge
ffs b31 at 3x doesnt work, other build req SHC
fervent zinc
I guess I can just do scrap runs until the number goes up instead of down
fleet surge
I guess I can just do scrap runs until the number goes up instead of down
how many times have u reinforced after the update
strong coral
you can also just halfass it, focus on scrap until you get those res nodes that are out of the way done, then beeline to A9 and spend what you get
fervent zinc
once
fleet surge
ic thx
swift maple
So over those 24 art runs, you'll get enough scrap to max?
swift maple
you can also just halfass it, focus on scrap until you get those res nodes that ...
This, yes
swift maple
how many times have u reinforced after the update
"Have you" or "Will you"
Have you genuinely not reinforced at all midway through G6?
fleet surge
OMG i can just accept prvious best
swift maple
Yes
glad iris
Looking at the spreadsheet, I don't think anybody's found a better repeat clear ...
Late reply, but I ran practice tool and I found a 40FR setup at 3.325+, NH, F4 support
swift maple
Tempted to spam timeskip to finish this galaxy proper
glad iris
same
swift maple
But it's like 1.5K AI points
Each gets me 2 runs, I need 24ish runs, 12 TS, 1.5K
Breh
prime ice
sylv getting rich off of g6 players lol
fervent zinc
ok it's not worth maxing R nodes, but it's worth raising them
regal plover
ok it's not worth maxing R nodes, but it's worth raising them
It's eventually worth maxing for the nodes achievement.
You can skip 3, including the GF node.
swift maple
ok it's not worth maxing R nodes, but it's worth raising them
Do the Art runs fill them over the 20 runs?
fervent zinc
I can do that at EoC when I dont care!
tepid imp
I got max artifacts almost after I finished GF10.
fervent zinc
Do the Art runs fill them over the 20 runs?
uhm... apparantly not
swift maple
uhm... apparantly not
Hmmmmm
fervent zinc
but if I just focused scrap, yes
swift maple
Ah, I see
regal plover
The nodes achievement increases fuel efficiency doesn't it?
fervent zinc
yeah I was just looking at it. Maybe I do want it?
it's only 2.5% though, and I dont have many runs left
regal plover
You're going to run weeks of UT without maxed fuel efficiency?
fervent zinc
0.25% rather
regal plover
It does
fervent zinc
it does
swift maple
Ah
fervent zinc
when converting fuel to instability
prime ice
prepping for g7 lol
regal plover
Nah, the prep for g7 is maxing the GF node. π
Like I did with g5 when sylv announced g6 was being released next week.
regal plover
You can miss 3 nodes and still get all the nodes achievements
So why max the GF node? It's expensive af
fervent zinc
there, eachievement
fervent zinc
half done!
swift maple
You can miss 3 nodes and still get all the nodes achievements
Yes yes
swift maple
So why max the GF node? It's expensive af
OCD I guess, IDK
fervent zinc
this is run 44, it looks like
regal plover
Damn..
swift maple
half done!
How many Arts? 132K?
regal plover
Wait did you timeskip? How do you have the fuel for that?
fervent zinc
I did not
verbal zodiac
4 days saved fuel puts that right about in line
fervent zinc
165, but yes half woulda actaully been 132k
hollow glacier
damn, Aleph without timeskips acquiring artifacts faster than I with them
unlimited power
fervent zinc
10 UT?
regal plover
And I'm still sitting on over 2.5 days fuel unable to spend it all somehow π
fervent zinc
π¦
fleet surge
yep its locked behind galaxy completion i ve seen it on releease but now it makes sense that its useful for arts
fervent zinc
time to timeskip to give myself 0.005 more fuel! π
fleet surge
i thought thats for g7 etc
fervent zinc
lol undo
fervent zinc
just revert to the backup before patch
swift maple
Yes yes
fleet surge
dont u guys backup export save file 100500 times per day
regal plover
Before patch lol
swift maple
Prob not worth the 5 minutes you'll save or whatever
fervent zinc
Before patch lol
hey, 0.005 fuel is impotant
swift maple
Twice as important as that resource node maxing thing
regal plover
Isn't that save more than 4 days ago now?
swift maple
π
regal plover
Which means you'll have less fuel
fleet surge
well weve got sheet so that not a problem to run through
fervent zinc
we'll do it without offline progress... and timeskip x days to make up the difference
fleet surge
maybe will finish even faster with optimisations
regal plover
The fighter cruiser duo?
fervent zinc
ooh beam laser
fighter/frigate is pretty ok
hmm beam laser fighters are probably bad, huh?
swift maple
Probably
regal plover
How did I get a different duo? Lol
swift maple
I went full anti armor
swift maple
How did I get a different duo? Lol
You have the S175 version of the game
With galaxy 9
You just don't tell us
fervent zinc
did he ever fix frigate double tap
regal plover
And it gave fighter cruiser duo? Lol
swift maple
did he ever fix frigate double tap
Dunno
regal plover
How do you have beam laser in UT anyway?
fervent zinc
welp. It's an upgrade. GUess we'll find out
regal plover
Did you unlock g6 UT?
swift maple
Beating B46
fervent zinc
did burst fire get changed? also, double tap is working! I fired 4 shots with 2 burst fire!
south zodiac
36 runs to beat B46, i could probably have shaved off one or two runs but overall pretty happy with it
fervent zinc
7 more runs for artifacts, so.. 21 hours. Then I can start playing the game for real
fervent zinc
36 runs to beat B46, i could probably have shaved off one or two runs but overal...
36 is pretty good!
I think my 31 is the lowest I've seen? Sola probably beat me by a run or two though
typical seems to be high 30s?
south zodiac
i do wonder however if you could oneshot B46 if you ignore it long enough to invest into damage nodes
timber turret
https://discord.com/channels/1023372620705566740/1387177734215827549/13886581460...
Idk but does it hurt anyone? I can unpin it if people want me to
Idk who pinned that and when
timber turret
Alright then
south zodiac
"how to beat B46? --> git gud"
slow aurora
37 turns - thanks for the advice and the sheet guys π
swift maple
Grats
sharp thorn
for the posts in the sheet that have strikethroughs, is that just saying those layouts were retested at higher stats?
meager bay
probably a differnet layout at same strength but better result
sharp thorn
it's the same image
meager bay
at least thats how ive been marking them
meager bay
i mean, there is a different layout that works better for that strength
or the patches have made them not work
sharp thorn
you're just speculating right? that's not your post?
meager bay
especially common on levels with missles
no not that one
in practice mode, can you set your strength?
sharp thorn
yes iirc
shit i just realized the need to define ship mods for reinforcements when you aren't even using that ship type in your deployment
unkempt tundra
When it's worth to stop doing full clears of g6 for max scrap and just focus on A9?
sharp thorn
dunno. I'm just maxing the resource nodes to get it done
my plan is max S/R nodes, then go full A9, then dump in GF after artifacts are done
acoustic jetty
for the posts in the sheet that have strikethroughs, is that just saying those l...
I understand the strikeouts to mean "this isn't the lowest FR clear at this stat"
aka look for the other setup
unkempt tundra
hmm, I'm using about 750 fuel on optional nodes for 620 scrap
sharp thorn
then just delete those numbers 
acoustic jetty
it's useful for testing, as it shows what didnt work
sharp thorn
Sylv's gonna buff/nerf heavy cruisers by 2% and ruin all of these setups
austere adder
No buffer and nerves are coming unless it's super duper critical lol
sharp thorn
is there a simple way to have galaxy specific ship stats? (maybe it already does that idk)
so that if you have to balance tweak UT or g7 or whatever, it doesn't blow up other galaxies
austere adder
I have a system for Galaxy specific stats it's only used for like the raw stats though, Could be used for other stats if desperately need it
acoustic jetty
for UT you can just buff/nerf all the mods
glad iris
Freedom in 42 hours
acoustic jetty
and for galaxy you can buff/nerf the nodes
austere adder
Yeah I don't anticipate having to make Galaxy specific stats for ships. When doing the balance on them I'd be changing enemies that are new to that galaxy if anything really
acoustic jetty
dont change what ship stats DO, just give more or less
all setups can stay the same
sharp thorn
didn't CL get tweaked recently?
hollow glacier
Idk but does it hurt anyone? I can unpin it if people want me to
can't say anything about "repeating spreadsheet", since I never did post in into spreadsheet
#1387177734215827549 message
But here's link to moment of pinning
timber turret
Hmm I mean I'm not opposed to having it pinned either
I just didn't really follow this channel the last few days
And man, does it move fast
fervent zinc
like what's going on here?
it means there's another layout in the spreadsheet at those stats with less FR
fervent zinc
my plan is max S/R nodes, then go full A9, then dump in GF after artifacts are d...
I found after getting ~80% of the way through R nodes, it made more sense to just focus artifacts and not scrap anymore. I didnt even bother trying to raise S6 above 2 though
hollow glacier
I also think that whoever posted it into spreadsheet did bad job
since it's part of 2-clear for 410 and 490
two 410s don't clear
acoustic jetty
but to notice that would require... math!
hollow glacier
but to notice that would require... math!
or reading comprehension, since I posted it all as two-part clear
slow aurora
added a heavy cruiser to the second attack for mine. Failed first attempt, worked the second.
fervent zinc
lol fine I'll go fix it
oh dear god what is wrong with the pictures
why arent they pictures
hollow glacier
but I still find it very funny, that at 3.725 it breaks, and does less than 5k
slow aurora
The upgradedowngrade paradox?
hollow glacier
yes
slow aurora
That is likely the most frustrating thing in galaxies for me lol
fervent zinc
but I still find it very funny, that at 3.725 it breaks, and does less than 5k
it was very sad π¦
hollow glacier
thanks for fixing it, Aleph
also, with people trying out skips math, finally decided to try out skip for f5
indeed skipped, even if it may be not the best possible skip
prime ice
saves me 20 or so to skip f5 at 3.525
south zodiac
oh nice, is there a tab for balancing scrap and artifacts?
hollow glacier
yeah, but that's for people who're using spreadsheet
I'm not(
fervent zinc
lol
regal plover
Cranking out the bugfixes like hotcakes
swift maple
What sheet tells you the Arti/Scrap runs?
Sola's Galaxy Math one?
And if so, does anyone have the link
swift maple
can't say anything about "repeating spreadsheet", since I never did post in into...
Yeah I pinned it
Sorry lol
swift maple
this is sola's scrap vs res calculator: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...
Why is scrap 80 here?
atomic grotto
because of d3
swift maple
I guess
Technically a diff node but fair
Why isn't that counted for the others
B20 and B18, unless you add them up at the end
Where do we input Hazards, specifically F5?
Just add 100/100 to the first one or smth?
fleet surge
i hate B23 - 100500 layouts i need 20 minutes to check which 3.1x is better
swift maple
RIP lol
So what exactly does this mean, do that many runs? Or "You will finish the fastest by doing the least number"
Didn't know there was a Base Battle 10 π
south zodiac
if you do the left way (full run) itΒ΄s gonna take you 16/21 to finish scrap/artifacts, if you mainline B46 and pump into A9, itΒ΄s 24/14
swift maple
And just to be clear, by "16/21" it means "16 scrap runs, 5 left to do artifacts"
fleet surge
im gonna go after SHC i guess
atomic grotto
B20 and B18, unless you add them up at the end
why would they be part of b20 and b18
D1 and D2 come before them, not after
swift maple
I mean, fair? It's assumed you then do B20/B18 but I see your point
atomic grotto
the point is mostly checking which detours are more scrap efficient
atomic grotto
blue is optional yeah
swift maple
Why the lines around B42? Just curious
atomic grotto
because i kept defaulting to it when running 43-46 calcs for L2 comparisons
so i blocked it off
swift maple
Ah
fleet surge
teach us how to put stuff in cells!!!
sheets is getting weird
now that there is 1 cell-1 img
swift maple
I beelined and I get 1145 and not 1170?
swift maple
teach us how to put stuff in cells!!!
sheets is getting weird
You resize the image
Sheets helps you to line it up
glad iris
I beelined and I get 1145 and not 1170?
D1
swift maple
Duh
Thx
I also don't get the difference here? I mean beelining gets you 1170, but that includes the F8 path? I don't see how you get 1170 without the F8 path
I'm at 1235 not 1335
glad iris
I also don't get the difference here? I mean beelining gets you 1170, but that i...
It seems there's been a mistake
glad iris
how did someone have 2 heavy cruisers available at B1??
Practice mode
Shows your current available and not when you were at that node
swift maple
Is the new fleet strat next galaxy gonna be "wait 4 days for people to minmax" and minmax every single node ever
glad iris
If you don't like figuring stuff out by yourself, maybe
But you miss out on being a pioneer
Figuring stuff out by myself is fun
I cba to minmax every node all the time but I like the discovery process
fleet surge
I also don't get the difference here? I mean beelining gets you 1170, but that i...
how do u know arts per run if everyone has different bonus from base 6 etc?
swift maple
Renovation
Not finalization
But yes
I'm starting to timeskip to 128 I think, I want to proper reinforce later tonight or tomorrow I think
fleet surge
i know but part of the base is finilized
swift maple
I know but the term is renovation π
Else unlocking all the boxes could also be called finalization
xD
glad iris
i dont have renovation
I'd consider reinforcing
fleet surge
btw
glad iris
Renovation caps the artifact bonus at 2.5x and resets the base
swift maple
You get 25% more artifacts by doing it
fleet surge
there r moment when u finished galaxy run - spent all fr and tabbed to discord then u tab back and not sure whats going on...
anyways - what happens to unspent scrap?
swift maple
It's quite huge
swift maple
there r moment when u finished galaxy run - spent all fr and tabbed to discord t...
It splits it evenly between all available nodes, so never do that
fleet surge
It splits it evenly between all available nodes, so never do that
i see what Sylv did there:):)
what lvl GF is required to finish the galaxy? w/o overdeploying much
swift maple
1
Well, technically 0
But it's really hard to finish it with 0, simply because you'll have nowhere else to put FR
atomic grotto
@fickle flame @austere adder are f7less clears of b43 meant to be possible (and actually very easy even at low stats)
no support 216 FR 3.000 stats
support is ~135 FR at 3.325 on the sheet for reference
hollow glacier
why you don't have hazard ship active though?
hollow glacier
yes
atomic grotto
ok that pushes it to 3.425 then
there's already a logged advisor so i'll work from there
even if you have to 2 shot it it's still significantly cheaper than f7 + 1 shot b43 though
hollow glacier
imagine if Sylv, to combat this, just changes this hazard from 40 volleys to 60 or more volleys
atomic grotto
swift maple
This is the same clear, right?
Since you don't use the node
Err.. the one below it
Except that does use the node
atomic grotto
isn't that an entirely different fight
swift maple
BB3
austere adder
<@709315564660850758> <@119635852585336832> are f7less clears of b43 meant to be...
not really no, it should be basically not doable ><
hollow glacier
not really no, it should be basically not doable ><
enough fighters make everything doable
atomic grotto
not really no, it should be basically not doable ><
probably just increase the volley to 80 shots up from 40 so fighters can't absorb everything, and make the grid bonus give everyone 2 barrier then
idk
hollow glacier
or maybe it's barrier for 1 second
austere adder
Well how much are you overdoing for that but it's still cheaper obviously
hollow glacier
just total invul
hollow glacier
and you can get even 90 shots or more
atomic grotto
especially because it's after L3, so you only go from 3 to 5
austere adder
err I cant remember how the shots work, ill see what happens when I just up it
verbal zodiac
I think this beats everything in bb2 for repeat clears. Just got a 20.99 on 3.8, but I've been using it since forever.
atomic grotto
i think it iterates the current ships from closest to farthest
to the point of origin of the hazard (middle right in this case)
if you put any cruisers on front row they get deleted
if you put all cruisers on back row they never get shot
hollow glacier
I think this beats everything in bb2 for repeat clears. Just got a 20.99 on 3.8,...
I'm just using one armored cruiser on the top left, iirc
or maybe not...
I will check later, when I have enough fuel
verbal zodiac
just tried in practice and I died at 3.8
austere adder
i think it iterates the current ships from closest to farthest
I meant in terms of repeat targeting. 80 works fine if it goes front to back again which it should
atomic grotto
I think this beats everything in bb2 for repeat clears. Just got a 20.99 on 3.8,...
i think f1 is not worth it
you'd have to save 25 FR per battle on average
which you definitely don't do since 3-4-5 don't even cost 25 FR supportless
and bb2 goes from your 21 to my 40
verbal zodiac
Is it not? B26 seems like it'd cost you any extra
verbal zodiac
Oh, yeah, I did
hollow glacier
okay, yeah, I checked different clear
my best for bb2 is 39.55 used
with f4 only
verbal zodiac
Oh well, congrats me, I found a solution for a problem nobody has because I did a non-optimal thing. lol
atomic grotto
hey it's free advisor stonks
verbal zodiac
I just saw 90 scrap for <30 FP and didn't consider the rest of it.
austere adder
<@709315564660850758> <@119635852585336832> are f7less clears of b43 meant to be...
oh 40s just wrong number. you cna use 45 fighters to screen so like 55 will work
hollow glacier
I think Solanaceae will try to break this 55 after you change it
atomic grotto
back row fighters will still take priority over back row cruisers
so you can just drop to 6 fighter/4 cruiser or something proabbly
austere adder
cant really get to the base with just three ships
but I guess might as well be a few more lasers lol
hollow glacier
I think best bet will be changing it and then try some of the clears from spreadsheet
we don't want to break normal clears with F7
by having too many lasers
atomic grotto
with 5 fighters/4 cruisers to try to mimic having 1 less ship slot i did like 1/5 of base hp with 180 fr
so i guess it's not worth it anymore at least
austere adder
oh curisers not heav? sec
atomic grotto
you want a mix
armored normal cruisers stay alive for ridiculously long against the command ship, so if you can position them such that they draw aggro at the end it lets the beams pop off
austere adder
60 I think work, you need two mroe fighters bakck there to not insta die
leaving you 3 other slots
atomic grotto
yea
does this many shots start messing with support-grid clears though?
if you don't tweak the grid bonus
austere adder
it might with low ship counts ya
atomic grotto
could just make it 2 barrier
which would be on average easier i imagine, since you absorb twice as many shots but hazard is less than twice as dangerous
austere adder
I don't see a base clear for this on the spreadsheet that's not almost full ships anyways
atomic grotto
well full ships is one thing, full ships with a lot of fighters that get doubled instead of cruisers getting doubled by those extra 15 shots is another
first one is exactly 40 ships i think
and the cruisers in front row are getting doubled for sure
hollow glacier
@austere adder how hard it would be to instead of barrier have full invul for 1 second? With that, I think, you can up number of shots to literally any number and be fine
austere adder
It takes longer than a second to cycle through the shots
hollow glacier
and if it's more than like
2 seconds
first enemy ships will get to you
austere adder
2 barrier is fine tho
atomic grotto
i think each shot is like 0.1s apart or something?
or was that just capital burst cannon delay
probably 0.05s here, don';t think it takes 4 seconds to unload atm
austere adder
ya 0.05
fickle flame
<@709315564660850758> <@119635852585336832> are f7less clears of b43 meant to be...
no, sylv it's time to add 40 more lasers
atomic grotto
mini railgun fighter and its consequences
hollow glacier
just make it 4000 lasers and support will instead somehow cancel hazard at all
austere adder
OK yeah double barrier works fine it does make the battle a little easier once you have it but that doesn't really matter
And sixty lasers seems to work to totally prevent it without it
atomic grotto
honestly it feels a little bad how expensive f7 is anyway so being a bit stronger is probably fine imo
austere adder
its a one run thing so 
fickle flame
give enemies 10 barriers making them almost unkillable and instead the support hazard does 0.1 damage every 0.1s to eat the barriers
without doing much else
which is totally fair right
austere adder
much less exciting
atomic grotto
oh does support hazard eat barriers that's funny
fleet surge
what r u talking about guys? G7?
hollow glacier
much less exciting
I think it's time to code explosions maybe
So one very big explosion will be parried by your barriers, instead of thinking about lasers shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLBwFzCRZA
like this
austere adder
<
swift maple
oh does support hazard eat barriers that's funny
Yes?
We're talking about the laser battle right
hollow glacier
well, seriously, i don't know how hard it would be to code explosions
but having explosion will deal with problem of "not enough lasers" instantly
atomic grotto
We're talking about the laser battle right
dot hazard
swift maple
dot hazard
Ah
fickle flame
alternative:
deal 1k damage every 1s, support produce one barrier every 1s
they basically cancel out
swift maple
I'm not a huge fan of "Get support in order to be able to beat this battle"
fickle flame
B26:
swift maple
With a permanent hazard*
fickle flame
oh that's a fun node
fickle flame
With a permanent hazard*
erm, b43 isn't
swift maple
No I mean in general
In galaxy battle design
Also when are you replacing your role
fickle flame
the more you ask the longer it'll be
swift maple
xD
fickle flame
I was gonna do it when I actually reinforced for G6 but clearly you don't want me to so I'll keep it
swift maple
Ayyy that's fine
I do want you to, Mr. Test Role Abuser
Am I missing something? Top clear is better in all circumstances
fervent zinc
is it better at 3.325?
fervent zinc
I mean probably, but there's plenty of set ups that just stop working randomly so I wouldn't say it without checking I guess
fleet surge
I mean probably, but there's plenty of set ups that just stop working randomly s...
yes thats why not deleted - weve got no info for 3.325 on the top one
walked across this one few times already:)
but not 100% certain about its history, why it ended up there etc
fervent zinc
make sure to add your failure to list! π
fleet surge
what failure?
fleet surge
means - random input, not tested thoroughly
swift maple
I see
fleet surge
yep bold is the best i mark where checked and remove with time if needed
swift maple
Ok
fleet surge
some times for same stats there r couple bolds cause SHC or not etc
also if layout end with crossed, next starting with bold then ends with crossed and the next one again in bold
i emant borders - most of the time whats in between - is ok progression
--
p.s. sometimes when ppl add data after bold value - they dont turn ctrl+b, and it can be fake bold - but rarely
undone yoke
13.87
fervent zinc
if you're careful to only bold the text and not what comes after it, you could leave a space after it that isnt bolded, and avoid that
fleet surge
if you're careful to only bold the text and not what comes after it, you could l...
but we dont have trailing spaces after the last input
that would be too much and arguable
fervent zinc
but you can
swift maple
Who dafuq has a level 3 GF
fleet surge
this green is so peaceful nature color i like it mmm leaves of grass
it scratches my brain..
fleet surge
Who dafuq has a level 3 GF
u know some of some have 4 gf and we will never know about it :):):)
undone yoke
14.42
edit: practice-verified and added to sheet
fleet surge
14.42
edit: practice-verified and added to sheet
reminds me of jungle farm in terraria with those little glowing things
swift maple
OH COME ON this is not doable at 3.8**2**5x
Dafuq is that reaction
undone yoke
18.4
fleet surge
3.825 is not that painful
swift maple
I'm tempted to put some into S6 so I can get 1800 upgrade next run hmm
clear root
When did yall do your reinforce? Was it just after maxing Fast Fueling upgrade?
hollow glacier
When did yall do your reinforce? Was it just after maxing Fast Fueling upgrade?
ideally - get b6 renovation, reinforce, get fuel eff, reinforce
it should be the most efficient one, I think
swift maple
Just "accept previous result" works fine
hollow glacier
you may also reinforce with b6 and fuel eff
fleet surge
ideally - get b6 renovation, reinforce, get fuel eff, reinforce
it should be the...
pls explain what is the goal between reinfs?
swift maple
Wait, why the double reinforce
fleet surge
nvm
swift maple
Yeah
hollow glacier
pls explain what is the goal between reinfs?
b6 renovation allows you to farm artifacts for fuel eff at higher artifact multi
clear root
you may also reinforce with b6 and fuel eff
Okay thanks!
swift maple
That's assuming you can get the reno in a reasonable time?
hollow glacier
in terms of finishing g6 I think it's faster
hollow glacier
That's assuming you can get the reno in a reasonable time?
10x will help a lot with that one
fleet surge
i thought smth like reach s127-130 not sure reasons
yes ive got fueling rdy to be claimed
undone yoke
19.28
edit: practice-verified and added to sheet
swift maple
i thought smth like reach s127-130 not sure reasons
yes ive got fueling rdy to...
You can't hit S130 before finishing G6
hollow glacier
It saves you what, 1 run?
that I'm not sure about
fleet surge
so how much time will it take after rinf to get to b6 maxed something when i can continue ARTs grind in g6?
swift maple
Without being able to finish G6
fleet surge
id like to have rough understanding and not get 4/4days banked
swift maple
Like 6 hours?
hollow glacier
so how much time will it take after rinf to get to b6 maxed something when i can...
that I also don't know, since by the point I got b6 renovation I already had more than 3e23 components(
fleet surge
big thx for info!!!
hold on
do component i have right now matter in anyway? do they carry over?
im at 3.5e25
hollow glacier
they don't carry over
if you have 3e23 or more, you can renovate immediately
and start farming, since you will have 2.5x artifact multi
fleet surge
if you have 3e23 or more, you can renovate immediately
i dont quite get it...
do i have to get e23 from scratch after reinf or does my e25 i have now help?
hollow glacier
they help
fleet surge
they don't carry over
sry i thought there was the opposite info
ok then thx
oh i c
swift maple
Yeah my bad, misunderstood and typed too quickly
fleet surge
so and after i get reno i need like 6 hours to get the bonus.. or smth like that - anyway sounds very fast thx
ill do more g6 then try again to get to s127 for a slot and then will soon reinf
fleet surge
big thx
swift maple
It took me 6ish hours
regal plover
is new warp reset on reinforce?
fervent zinc
lol the real min-max plan. Just accept previous from your last run lol
regal plover
When did yall do your reinforce? Was it just after maxing Fast Fueling upgrade?
I still have 2.5 days of fuel and maxed that one, I wonder if I should reinforce π€
fervent zinc
if you go immedately after, you wont really make any new progress on your reinforce
but if you go sometime after you might?
not sure what you can do with that information.But now you have it
regal plover
if I go immediately after?
fervent zinc
reinforcing immedately after getting fast fueling/base 6 reno
swift maple
And yeah Scrap runs > Artifact runs due to resource gain over time
undone yoke
45.2
(edit: also practice-verified and is on sheet now)
swift maple
Post in sheet?
regal plover
I made it this far (yeah that's a ton of unspent artifacts)
fervent zinc
45.2
(edit: also practice-verified and is on sheet now)
why not add to the sheet?
fervent zinc
I made it this far (yeah that's a ton of unspent artifacts)
I reinforced with what you have spent about lol
I might crack 128 right before finishing artifacts
regal plover
but if I do just 1 more run now before reinforcing it will be even better, right?
or repeat that 10 times more lol
swift maple
Empty fuel before reinforcing :P
regal plover
I have 2.5 days fuel, I could do a lot of runs roflmao
fervent zinc
shrug is it even worthwhile to try to accomplish anything in the mid-G6 reinforce?
swift maple
I mean, by getting the fuel eff
swift maple
*shrug* is it even worthwhile to try to accomplish anything in the mid-G6 reinfo...
I got manifest key shard
And pushed to S128
So yeah?
hollow glacier
*shrug* is it even worthwhile to try to accomplish anything in the mid-G6 reinfo...
yes
fervent zinc
I got the shard before reinforcing
hollow glacier
I also got to s128
glad iris
I made it this far (yeah that's a ton of unspent artifacts)
Spend artifacts and reinforce
fervent zinc
and finished G6 before getting to 128
hollow glacier
and got 1 humanity upgrade
undone yoke
55.26 (somehow better than the 2.525?)
swift maple
55.26 (somehow better than the 2.525?)
Post in sheet
hollow glacier
yeah, at this point, when you're posting a lot of clears, better post in the spreadsheet
it's not like 1 or 2
it's what, fifth already?
swift maple
Yes
undone yoke
idk what's going on in sheet, just going along as I do this run cuz I'm doing f1 for bb2
swift maple
Instead of pasting them here for us to see, post them in the sheet?
We're mostly way past this point, but grats/GL anyway
fervent zinc
you just post your screenshot under the column of the fight, with your stats and the FR you used
undone yoke
-# or someone who knows what's going on with the sheet can add it
they don't need the screenshots
fervent zinc
why are you sharing if we don't need the screenshots o.O
undone yoke
it's all fleet configs that are already in the sheet, I just have a different fleet strength/resource spent combo going
that aren't there in the sheet
undone yoke
π€¦ββοΈ
undone yoke
you'd be making an edit to this stuff
swift maple
If they're better than the sheet
Then post in sheet
Is the number better? Then change number I guess, IDK
undone yoke
I'm sharing the screens here because it contains the sector/strength/FR and is proof that the numbers aren't conjured out of thin air
it's not about better/worse, like I said, these are fleet strength/resource spent numbers not currently present
acoustic jetty
confirmed F6 skip down to 3.525x
swift maple
We suspected it was doable at 3.5x, thanks
regal plover
I appear to have hit the point where fleet dmg/health gets REALLY expensive
swift maple
And nice to know
acoustic jetty
BB3 doesnt use the bonus square so that's free lol
swift maple
Ya
regal plover
(but I'm guessing it gets even worse π¦ )
swift maple
Yes
You focus resources for most of the galaxy
I was stuck on 3.6 for a long while, as my FR went up by 125 or so a run
Oh hi Terri
deep hawk
I think it taken me 53-54 runs to max out resources.
Yes, I know. I used 9 timeskips for the galaxy.
And hi Bio. π
undone yoke
are these 2-shot posts for bb2 implying it's more efficient to 2-shot it than to go for overdeploy one-shot?
acoustic jetty
depends on your stats probably
swift maple
Finally
acoustic jetty
that and you can do a 2 shot across two different runs, if it comes to that
deep hawk
Unfortunately, I need a few runs to max out GF and S6
acoustic jetty
also doing half the damage twice isn't necessarily optimal, there are two part plans as sometimes doing 40% then 60% is cheaper
but the search space is huge so those are hard to find
undone yoke
THIS screenshot probably should be added to sheet, just barely clears it in one shot
swift maple
Sure
But there's a one shot
But sure anyway
What's the cost, run the battle
I mean I know 380 but FR used?
austere adder
anyone in here done auto runs on latest patch? Have sporadic reports of crashes during it
undone yoke
it used all 380 - I didn't spot that one-shot in between all the 2-clear stuff π
swift maple
it used all 380 - I didn't spot that one-shot in between all the 2-clear stuff οΏ½...
Ah, bases use all?
I thought you got some back
glad iris
sry boss i dont do auto runs
deep hawk
anyone in here done auto runs on latest patch? Have sporadic reports of crashes...
I had issues with UI for repeats.
swift maple
No worries though
acoustic jetty
uh lol, speaking of... 2.6x BB2 was my masterwork
behold
215.99FR
so yeah, if there's a oneshot it needs to cost less than that. seems unlikely!
hollow glacier
are these 2-shot posts for bb2 implying it's more efficient to 2-shot it than to...
I'm not sure you even can oneshot b46, tbf
I may try
hollow glacier
anyone in here done auto runs on latest patch? Have sporadic reports of crashes...
I'm doing auto-runs for last few clears of g6, haven't had a problem
austere adder
ok thx
acoustic jetty
i've done partial auto runs, no issues here
undone yoke
But there's a one shot
also this requires commit of 410 - I'm gonna have to mess around between the two I guess to see if I can do it more efficiently
austere adder
I had issues with UI for repeats.
ya its the auto sizing liking to get biger for some reason ><
deep hawk
Yeah
regal plover
BB3 farming: paying for the support and not using it.. π
undone yoke
I thought you got some back
no, this fight was just so close that the very last shot I fired from the very last ship killed the base as it killed the last ship lol
ooh even better - 340 committed, 340 spent, same thing again with last ship last shot killing base at the last moment
I'll work on this a bit further before I post another image for this, got it down to 330 commit/330 spent
hollow glacier
@undone yoke I think that oneshotting b46 at 3.625 is quite literally impossible
overdeployed in practice every slot other than two teleporting ones with cruisers and heavy cruisers, 6446 health left
And like almost half of that damage was done with last 5x damage slot cruisers
fleet surge
B11-20 what happened with this line? where r images
south zodiac
toprow looks to be sorted while bottom is not? maybe someone is fixing it up
sorted in terms of damage and health i mean
undone yoke
<@313019291643674654> I think that oneshotting b46 at 3.625 is quite literally i...
idk where you're getting b46 from, this is for bb2
undone yoke
I think this is the best I can do, the positioning is a bit variable but the key thing is A1 + A2 armored cruisers and heavy cruiser in A3/4/5, and ensuring the frigates survive to hit the base
edit: I'm lame and forgot to post the resource spent, it was 323 and change
hollow glacier
okay, time to try and do my own f6 skip
swift maple
Higher stats lol
deep hawk
lol
pallid pond
at what point should I start working on D3/F8? I've cleared B45 but I'm nowhere close to being done on S/R upgrades
swift maple
If you've cleared B45 then dedicate a run or two for D3
I think it takes 3 runs to be "usefully viable"
First is the 2500/Level 1 R8/rest in F8, second is the 675/finish F8/push R8 with normal scrap, third is the actual clear
fervent zinc
at what point should I start working on D3/F8? I've cleared B45 but I'm nowhere ...
you'll probably want 3 runs of D3 before B46, and you need about 3100 FR to start them and ~3.6x to clear B46
deep hawk
So Temmie you've not posted in this thread that much
I was looking at the spreadsheet π
swift maple
Oh fair
deep hawk
I did not make any setup of my own
swift maple
Fair
deep hawk
Since I've started with 'lack of fuel' (not capped)
pallid pond
you'll probably want 3 runs of D3 before B46, and you need about 3100 FR to star...
ah I'm at 3448 FR so I'm close thanks π
swift maple
I see
deep hawk
I used 9 timeskips as well to finish the galaxy out.
deep hawk
53 runs to complete artefacts ain't too bad
swift maple
Arti
deep hawk
no
swift maple
Get your british ass out of here
timber turret
Artefact
swift maple
deep hawk
no
timber turret
swift maple
Lol
fervent zinc
hmm I dont think a 1 shot of b46 is possible. playing around a little at 4.25, I could only get 10k damage
swift maple
I don't believe so either
fervent zinc
1020 committed, lol
hollow glacier
okay, my skip for F6 is probably not the best, but it's better than nothing
timber turret
Discord's ghost gives off a whole different vibe than Android's ghost lol
timber turret
It's definitely winking
fervent zinc
whoever defined the emoji standard forgot to inlcude tone indicators
timber turret
Well the framework would be there for them
Skin indicators are a thing so why not tone indicators
undone yoke
-# #off-topic
fervent zinc
doesn't count when it's only 10 lines or less
timber turret
-# <#1077421210624852008>
Average day in #1387177734215827549
undone yoke
just sayin', if I get yapped at for on-topic posts of fleet strength/FR spent data not yet present in the sheet and then y'all be chattering and posting memes, that's not fair π
swift maple
just sayin', if I get yapped at for on-topic posts of fleet strength/FR spent da...
We didnβt βyapβ at you for βon-topicβ
We yapped at you for not just posting in sheet
timber turret
I mean I don't think that's fair either lol
This channel is literally for discussing g6
fervent zinc
yeah and we were discussing how useful it'd be for the clears to be in the sheet where people could make use of them π
timber turret
Lmao fair enough
I mean I'm gonna thank you for that once I'm actually starting with it lol
swift maple
Perfection
And yeah I'm an impatient bitch who wants to timeskip the remaining 2 days of runs
Forgive me lord sylv for I have sinned and am an impatient bitch
swift maple
Perfection
timber turret
And yeah I'm an impatient bitch who wants to timeskip the remaining 2 days of ru...
S135 when
swift maple
Not until next content patch
glad iris
Think you have a problem
Did a full reclear with maximum improvements, advanced multi-run route mapping and I have managed to drop off another run from total
My total will be 57
swift maple
And mine is 56 for Artifacts, 59 for full non-GF
deep hawk
53 for artefacts, 55 for full non-GF
glad iris
You get to reinforce slightly faster, but this is more satisfying
swift maple
Ofc
glad iris
53 for artefacts, 55 for full non-GF
could've been this guy if I bothered to improve my setups 10 runs ago
maybe more like 20
from the start
deep hawk
I only cleared B46 in run 34
deep hawk
same
glad iris
My biggest savings would've been more optimized battle layouts, giving small but meaningful FR gains and not skipping F nodes sooner
swift maple
hollow glacier
~~from the start~~
yeah, should've just done everything perfectly from the start
glad iris
pallid pond
First is the 2500/Level 1 R8/rest in F8, second is the 675/finish F8/push R8 wit...
Did exactly this, worked like a charm thanks π
acoustic jetty
technically skippable
my builds are likely imperfect so who knows which way it will go here
gilded cloak
any recommended compositionn for B16?
gilded cloak
thanks
verbal zodiac
This one might be worth a mention. B38 @3.8 with support for 30 (all committed).
hollow glacier
b38 for 30 is already in spreadsheet
acoustic jetty
This one might be worth a mention. B38 @3.8 with support for 30 (all committed).
we have that at 3.525x
verbal zodiac
Oh, my bad
fleet surge
technically skippable
seems like 3.4 is early and 3.5 just fine?
acoustic jetty
it's solidly skippable there
acoustic jetty
seems like 3.4 is early and 3.5 just fine?
seems so. there may be some tricky ones where more stats is worse tho
verbal zodiac
I'm looking at the bottom 5 or so and didn't see it there, didn't realize it was because it came in so early. I'm going through my clears and trying to see which made it as advisors and which I need to clean up. Didn't want to look at the sheet until I'd made it through myself.
acoustic jetty
someone is "fixing" the B11-20 tab and they're doing it the worst way possible
may be just vandalism
acoustic jetty
i think they're trying to sort it, but they're covering the column headers lol
fleet surge
yep this is whats happening often - drag image to the top pinned row
can always ctrl+z if did by yourself
i wonder when will they teach us to insert our images from buffer into cell
acoustic jetty
i dont know a direct way but i was told the secret earlier, if you're actually asking
fleet surge
share if u r up to
acoustic jetty
#1387177734215827549 message
paste image anywhere, select destination cell, click on image again, click weird dots in upper right corner of image, chose "put in cell" or whatever
acoustic jetty
seriously!
fleet surge
thx
acoustic jetty
our dark images and the semitransparent grey of the dots did not help
fleet surge
also i wnder where the whole row of images vanished from 11-20 page iirc
acoustic jetty
are those not the ones in the header