G5/z89-5

[slate grove]

we'll see if that gets me all the artifacts faster

[proud swallow]

is it worth it? b24-b26 seem poor?

[slate grove]

60 scrap for 47.28

even if you account for B22 and B28 being sort of crappy I think it's okay

B23 is efficient which helps

[proud swallow]

err why did I say b24-b26...

[proud swallow]

but arent b22/b23/b28 less than 1.0 effiency?

[slate grove]

also more importantly, I farmed it during my B31 clear run so it cost nothing extra

[proud swallow]

ya that helps

[slate grove]

B23 is 30 for 24.43

[proud swallow]

😦 better than me

not fair

[slate grove]

also you get a cruiser

for whatever that's worth

well crap that costs 40 FR

[proud swallow]

it's worth -40 FR to your effiency

lol

[slate grove]

but what about those 3 cruiser fights?

just need 2 of them and you've broken even

[proud swallow]

true true

now I just have to wait... until tomorrow to get enough fuel to finish artifacts. So long

[slate grove]

lol

now you can't do your final reinforce until tomorrow

[azure raft]

B31 hazard one shot clear - 230 FR committed, 208.72 used
2.80 dmg, all cruiser nodes (M1A, M1B, M2)
without M1A, it would be 290 FR committed, 268.72 used, which still beats any 2 run clears I know of
(funny ending linked)

[slate grove]

that's the more important part

whoever reinforces for all G5 bonuses first has a headstart towards eoc

[proud swallow]

at least I'll be able to max fighter shard... !

lol

[azure raft]

all my suffering paid off, managed to find a one shot clear to B31 finally

:')

[proud swallow]

secretly timeskips

[slate grove]

there's already somone who timeskipped to the eoc message lol

and I don't think it was even toni

[proud swallow]

oh my, 121 hurts. I think I'll have to offline farm the shard

[azure raft]

after clearing B31, I followed path A and I was able to get to A2A. at that point, I figured I might as well revert to before B30 and B31, since a total of 3 overdeployments would break even for M1A (B7A+M1A=55FR for me rn). then disaster struck, I didn't have enough FR to deploy for B31, even though I had enough that would be left after consumption. I had to deploy 150+150 but I had 280 FR left, so I started suffering. and voila

sure enough it took a full hour to minmax to that point but it works!

[proud swallow]

If anyone's interested in run history for B35 clear on Run 31:

Run 1: B1 Cleared, B2 Cleared, B3B Cleared, S1B Level 1, B3A Cleared, B4A Cleared, S1B Level 2, B5A Cleared, B6A Cleared, B4B Cleared, R1A Level 1
Run 2: S1B Level 3, S2A Level 1, B7A Cleared, B8A Cleared, R1A Level 2
Run 3: S1B Level 4, B7B Cleared, R2B Level 1
Run 4: BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, BB1 Cleared, R1A Level 3, S1B Level 5
Run 5: S1B Level 6, B8B Cleared, B9B Cleared, B12B Cleared, R2B Level 2, R3B Level 1
Run 6: S1B Level 7, B11B Cleared, GF Level 1, R2B Level 3
Run 7: S2A Level 2, B9A Cleared, B10A Cleared, S3A Level 1, B11A Cleared, S3A Level 2
Run 8: S1B Level 8, B13 Cleared, R2B Level 4
Run 9: S1B Level 9, R3B Level 2, B14 Cleared, R3B Level 3
Run 10: B15 Cleared, R4 Level 1
Run 11: S1B Level 10, S2A Level 3, S3A Level 3, S2A Level 4
Run 12: R1A Level 4, R4 Level 2, R4 Level 3
Run 13: R2B Level 5, R4 Level 4, R1A Level 5
Run 14: CP Level 1, B16 Cleared, B17 Cleared, S4 Level 1, B18 Cleared
Run 15: S4 Level 2, R4 Level 5
Run 16: AT Level 1, R2B Level 6, R1A Level 6
Run 17: B19 Cleared, B20 Cleared, R5 Level 1, R6 Level 1
Run 18: R5 Level 2, R2B Level 7, R5 Level 3
Run 19: S2A Level 5, S3A Level 4, S2A Level 6, S3A Level 5, BB2 Cleared
Run 20: BB2 Cleared, BB2 Cleared, R2B Level 8
Run 21: B21 Cleared, R6 Level 2, R3B Level 4, R4 Level 6, R1A Level 7
Run 22: S5 Level 1, B22 Cleared, S2A Level 7, B23 Cleared, R1A Level 8
Run 23: S4 Level 3, B24 Cleared, B25 Cleared, R3B Level 5
Run 24: S5 Level 2, S2A Level 8, B26 Cleared, B27 Cleared, R6 Level 3
Run 25: S2A Level 9, GF Level 2, S4 Level 4, S3A Level 6, S3A Level 7

Run 27: S4 Level 5, B29 Cleared, S4 Level 6, B30 Cleared, B31 Cleared
Run 28: B31 Cleared, R6 Level 4
Run 29: B32 Cleared, B33 Cleared, R7 Level 1, R3B Level 7
Run 30: S5 Level 3, B34 Cleared, S3A Level 8, B35 Cleared
Run 31: GF Level 3, B35 Cleared, B35 Cleared, R7 Level 2```

it's kinda funny I was worried about spending too much time farming scrap, but really I shoulda spent more time farming scrap lol

[azure raft]

seeing how I just cleared B31 at run 30, I don't think I'll get to compete

[azure raft]

what are your stats now?

[proud swallow]

it's a quick jump from b31 to b35. so you arent so far behind

[azure raft]

I'm guessing run 32, tops

[azure raft]

you and your insane R nodes

[proud swallow]

economics win wars, my friend

[azure raft]

I'll catch up in no time now that R7 is accessible!

[indigo vine]

b13, 2.675 damage

[slate grove]

you get 1 cheap upgrade, 1 decent upgrade, and then it's expensive

though they are big upgrades to be fair

B32 just costs over 65 FR huh?

and B33

and B34

boom!

(run 32 but still have 177.53 FR so the run isn't over yet)

apparently this is coincidentally the 200th time I traveled to a galaxy too

[fallen leaf]

planned

[slate grove]

what's planned?

[fallen leaf]

for you to have hit that same time you finish g5

.> <.<

[slate grove]

lol. but there isn't an achievement for 200

oit goes 100 to 250

or would that be too many achievements at once? XD

[slate grove]

damn, I need 10 more runs after finishing B35 to max out artifacts, and that's even if I get every single A node for those 10 runs.. you must have a better base 6 multiplier than me

mine is 1.61862

[wraith grail]

It's gonna take me until Run35 to finally finish B31 ughgh

[slate grove]

ok, I think I need to switch from trying to get 1e14 parts tiles back to increasing my base 6 comps.. again

should have started doing that days ago now that I think about it

[azure raft]

I'll take it 👍

[misty pecan]

😐

[cosmic turtle]

42 runs to clear B35.. Thanks in no small part to all you Galaxy-brain commanders out there with the good strats. Really had to lean on everyone's experience once I hit ~B32 🫡

[neon tiger]

B30 - 110 Committed, 107.66 used

[proud swallow]

1.838. EoC was kinda to me

[civic parcel]

bigger base

[slate grove]

Yeah it seems so. It's looking like I'm not going to get far without any 1e14 parts tiles. And I'm nowhere close to getting more tiles before I'm set to max G5 artifacts. I'm going to run comps anyway to see if I can get it down to 9 runs.

[marble shard]

actually you can do it at 2.575 stat and only 4 groups of fighters

mini railgun mode is needed

[civic parcel]

pew pew

[marble shard]

run directly into unlocking splicing or purchase for other upgrades first, which is better?

[delicate timber]

Lord waiting for the fuel to refill is the worst

[misty pecan]

waiting in an idle game :D

[delicate timber]

😩

I'm just excited to play more.

Although it might be more efficient I suppose to get Base 6 numbers up first.

[frank harbor]

- Greatly expanded Fleet practice mode, you can now adjust stats, turn hazards on/off, turn bases on/off and practice a node even if not back to it yet

w dev

[azure quest]

It feels like I can only run cruisers on bb3

[civic parcel]

because you can only run cruisers

[wraith grail]

it's better to walk the cruisers else they get too excited.

I finally got B31 hopefully I can move on with my life tomorrow.

[civic parcel]

lol

[crimson pelican]

Hrmmn, when you use "improve with auto battle" do the improved layouts stick for you when you're doing it manually again?

In case I wanna take a different path

[fallen leaf]

it behaves as if you had done it youreslf in that regard yes

[crimson pelican]

Ooooh sweet, thats extra-great. Really love that system

Also its taught me that clumping up ships a lot of the time is very helpful

[lucid prawn]

Here's my B35 Layout - 210FR Spent, 1805.5 Damage Dealt
2.875 Fleet Damage and Health

[civic parcel]

wow a corvette lover

[slate grove]

completing non-battle nodes doesn't increase fuel efficiency?

does it do anything besides contribute towards the nodes completed achievement?

[civic parcel]

apparently not

guess we keep goign

keep going...

almost...

guess I hafta overdeploy one eh

closer...

good enough

[errant raven]

B24 48.29, getting to shave off stuff in the post-D3 zone now at 2.9 feels nice

[proud swallow]

how many more runs you got to finish artifacts?

rather, what run are you going to finish on

[errant raven]

either 39 or 40 depending on whether i go for bb3 first

you have slightly higher base 6 than me so you're probably 38-39?

[proud swallow]

run 39.07 😦

[errant raven]

kek

[proud swallow]

12 hours, looks like

[errant raven]

b32 54.42, works better on x1 because laser fighter

[proud swallow]

ew x1

[royal abyss]

anyone got a BB3 layout?

[proud swallow]

cruisers everywhere, season to your preferred FR usage

[royal abyss]

tankers or non

[proud swallow]

run it without tankers and lemme know how it goes 😛

[royal abyss]

🤔

oh

ew

boom

[slate grove]

for those who have finished B35, how many FR total is it taking you to get A6?

[proud swallow]

the only true bb3 layout

[slate grove]

what? split it into multiple runs lol

this is too inefficient

[proud swallow]

that's a false layout

for slackers

looks like it was taking me 1382 FR from b1 to A6

[slate grove]

including paying for A6?

[proud swallow]

ya

[slate grove]

wait really? it's that efficient?

[proud swallow]

hmm

[slate grove]

so 742 to get through B35?

[proud swallow]

I think something is wrong in my math

[slate grove]

A6 itself costs 640, so that would be 742 to get through B35

[worthy kayak]

anyone has a better B33?

[proud swallow]

yeah something was wrong with my math

[slate grove]

which sounds unrealistic..

[slate grove]

oof ok that's a lot

so over 2000

[proud swallow]

oh my math was just battles, that was the problem (plus A6 lol)

[delicate sparrow]

rip

[slate grove]

looks like I might be able to get A6 on run 33 😦 but I guess that means I can farm the entire north path, and hopefully literally every other node

D4 onwards might be hard though

oh and no D2A, that's just a stupid useless node at this point

[proud swallow]

D4 not worth it probably, just get GF

[errant raven]

i've been buying d2a for a few runs now

gotta get it done for completionism at some point anyway

i have fr to spare

[slate grove]

really?

[delicate sparrow]

i am on run 30 and can't get b29 yet, never mind b35

[proud swallow]

you only need it once to get all the achievments

[delicate sparrow]

that lower branch is one heck of a stat check

[errant raven]

achievements are only a subset of completionism

[slate grove]

if I had FR to spare I'd spend it on D4 first

[proud swallow]

you want it to be 0 FR for funsies?

[errant raven]

yea

[slate grove]

and only after I finish that branch would I get D2A

[proud swallow]

well I cant respect that, but have fun! 😛

[errant raven]

and i calculated it so it doesn't cost me any extra runs

[slate grove]

D2A is still 300 FR for me, that's just way too much!

[proud swallow]

what's your total FR at now?

[errant raven]

2123

gonna do bb3 in 360 fr

[slate grove]

D4 is at least only 200, but that's high enough it will probably be a last resort if I run out of other scrap farming nodes completely

[delicate sparrow]

i have never used D2A either

[proud swallow]

oh I can get d2a in my bb3 run, ez pz

[errant raven]

yea

that's what i did

[delicate sparrow]

i am not super worried about g5 efficiency since i wanna get all alien synths maxed out anyway and that will take over a week

[proud swallow]

why though? you'll still have to spend time getting them later. Might as well get levels for them too

[delicate sparrow]

but i have absurd reactor now to make getting them faster next time

it just kinda doesn't matter unless next patch comes out super fast

i am curious what i fucked up in my runs that i am nowhere near finishing B35

[proud swallow]

I'm just reinforcing when G5 is done, whatever bit of asynth is leftover will sort itself out

[delicate sparrow]

i might do that too, depends on the mood

veil and synth asynths should be maxed by then

[proud swallow]

did you spend 2 hours planning out your runs and rerunning battles? 😛

[delicate sparrow]

i feel a larger difference would only come from a faulty strategy

not imperfect tactics

[proud swallow]

better tactics, means more scrap, means more FR, means more scrap, means more FR, means more...

[delicate sparrow]

fore reference, 2.375 combat stat

[proud swallow]

need more scrap

[delicate sparrow]

i guess i shoulda tried running both A/B branches more often early

[proud swallow]

I am undecided if I like that I was able to grind out something useful for the G5 patch, or I woulda preferred if my runs were on par with the people who are going to be doing this in the future

[fading falcon]

this little corner of the map sucks...

[errant raven]

people who do this in the future are at like s113 though

[delicate sparrow]

i would prefer the latter, but the grinder inside me cannot abide by it

[delicate sparrow]

you haven't seen the next gauntlet yet

[proud swallow]

did we really finish g4 at 113 o.O that's so long ago

[proud swallow]

that corner is just to build your tolerance up before you get to D4

[delicate sparrow]

this one isn't so bad. You just need to have enough FR to make it through both B22/B23 or whatever to make it worth it

[fading falcon]

I have 317 left...

I could just farm some scrap instead

[proud swallow]

you should get more scrap

[royal abyss]

Well BB3 cleared on Run 32

Guess that's not awful

[delicate sparrow]

yeah, farm scrap and the FR-eating nodes

you goddang minmaxers

i doubt i will do it by run 40, lol

[fading falcon]

i have plenty to farm still left over anyway

So I'll just do that

[royal abyss]

I ain't even min maxing...i'm just maxing everything as I go

[delicate sparrow]

i thought i was doing well too 😄

[proud swallow]

ew why spend on D3 if you arent getting to a cruiser/base 😛

[royal abyss]

I forgot to max R3B tho oops 😛

[delicate sparrow]

i think i have only maxed 2 green nodes

maybe 3?

[fading falcon]

I wanted the R & S nodes

And also now it's decreased in cost!

[proud swallow]

are your other nodes really high enough that 300 FR+cost was worth it o.O

[bronze coral]

Yes

[fading falcon]

it was only 200 and now next run its only 160

It only caused me to not be able to do 2 or 3 battles which made me lose out on ~45 scrap

idk if it was worth it or not

[proud swallow]

it's nto even enough to one shot 😦

45 scrap? You should be able to clear like all B route for 200 FR

[fading falcon]

well this is the end result

[proud swallow]

ah ok

[fading falcon]

So I missed out on B9A, B10A, B12B and B10B

So 80 scrap

I should probably do a few runs without the D node

Oh also BB2 for

...60 scrap

okay I see your point

[proud swallow]

all the scrap!

[fading falcon]

Yeah 140 extra is significant

[delicate sparrow]

bb2 takes like 60FR

[fading falcon]

90 for me lol

[delicate sparrow]

but if you have it, it's nice

[fading falcon]

well I did bb2 before

Oh yeah theres an undo button I can just undo before the D node

scrap here I come

guys look they made fleet scrap from usi into a real thing

[proud swallow]

crazy, did anyone tell Sylv?

[fading falcon]

Also I forgot another 40 from B11AB

So 180 in total

Thanks aleph lol

[reef zealot]

Should I go B22 after B21(2H)?

[errant raven]

yeah

but if you don't have the FR to hit 23 it's worth farming more scrap first

[reef zealot]

ty!

[civic parcel]

there's really only one, which is as many armor tank cruisers you can fit because everything else evaporates

[worthy kayak]

B32 | 70 FR commited, 54.03 used(3.025 stats)

[civic parcel]

interesting method

[fading falcon]

How so

[civic parcel]

b path is way easy once you got starting cruiser

[royal abyss]

Yeah I ended up just doing 3 or 4 runs of 5 Cruiser tankers i think

[fading falcon]

Hmm

I wonder if it's worth switching my approach still

Probably not

Since D1A is free now

[civic parcel]

probably not by now yeah

sunk cost

[azure raft]

B25 (post-hazard) clear - 40 FR committed 22.68 used. Credits to @errant raven

[azure raft]

B34 clear - 70 FR committed 55.81 used

[autumn pumice]

the real victory

[azure raft]

that's where the fun really begins

[proud swallow]

surely you meant to post this picture

[autumn pumice]

nah it only reduces from 6:30 to 4:12

[proud swallow]

disagree, cruiser only saves a couple FR in a couple battles

"only saves 50% fuel" 😦 wat

[autumn pumice]

being able to get the last artifact node probably saved me way more fuel for resets

this was 118s base fr too

[indigo vine]

thats crazy, the frigates dont even get a shot off and it saves 50 FR

[round crown]

u shouldve been using him in back row - easily 11ish used

[wraith grail]

I can't seem to find a way to clear B35 without 4 runs where the 4th run i do like 100 damage

[wraith grail]

Nvm was able to just do a more expensive option but got it in 3, couldn't even come close with any of Sol's options and .025 more damage.

[vapid hound]

congrats. how many runs to kill B35?

[wraith grail]

36

I neglected the R's too much so i wasn't getting as much scrap as i could have been

[indigo vine]

at 2.8 damage, b31 was a one-shot for me

3

[round crown]

ive got 2.85 stats and this doesnt work - it does 1556.1 damage

[frank harbor]

fighter moment

could try one of these layouts if fighters hate that specific layout, but try 1x speed as well

"Every Galaxy 5 is personalized"

[wraith grail]

I forget who posted it cause i saved it cause i kept struggligng to find it with search but i used this one

[round crown]

omg 1x speed is so slow))

[wraith grail]

I was having the same problem where it'd take me 4 runs to use any of the dozen 3 shots I found posted

[round crown]

this one is 2.875 ive got 2.85 atm

ive seen it thx but will try now anyway

[wraith grail]

It does 1805 so if you can hit north of 1667 with it you'll be good

I did one run as 2.85 then picked up 2 R's and put the rest into an S, then the next run was able to level up the S again before clearing

The 2 hour shave off from clearing b35 is really nice though

It looks like BB3 is literally just a wall of throwing Cruisers at it

[round crown]

im gonna finish b35 anyway

before considering bb2 and bb3

1x speed did the same.

[round crown]

this one did that - cause i dont have 2 corvettes bought etc
will look for something else before accept

this one is good from NN

[autumn pumice]

sylv please remove 1x and 2x and just have 4x fr ong

[fading falcon]

But high speed is inaccurate!!!

For whatever reason

[wraith grail]

Apparently the one throwaway run I did on BB2 because I had enough extra FR was a good idea, because I was able to do BB3 from full and BB2 in 1 run, so now I just get to live in the world of scrap and artifact farming

[azure raft]

front/back row doesn't change much for me, and it's 11-ish with current power levels yeah

[frank harbor]

freedom.

[indigo vine]

i did b35 over two travels. first time reaching it i got 3 cruiser nodes and did the 170 cost run. next travel i did not get the extra cruiser node, and did 2x 210 cost battles. Got me the 1.5x fuel efficiency sooner.

b35 cleared on run 35. not the best. we'll see how long it takes to get full artifacts. my base6 is only ~1.73x

[round crown]

run 33 boss b35 finished

[fading falcon]

wait what exactly did you mean by that?

So youre saying the top path is easier/it doesnt matter?

[proud swallow]

no I mean I dont value the CP node highly

unrelated to cruiser: I think A was easier for a first run, but then B tends to have cheaper fights after that

[wraith grail]

I feel like the odds that I can go get 100 more FR by optimizing pretty low 😦

[proud swallow]

moar scrap!

[wraith grail]

That's what I went for, got 2 R upgrades, which gives me just over 100 fr, and half the S which I can finish next run

thankfully all the BB's are pretty decent for scrap in the new world order

[indigo vine]

assuming i can actually get A6 next run, im 'only' 8 runs from finishing G5. which will be run 44

actually, even if i cant get A6 next run (and i can the one after) it's still 8 runs

[proud swallow]

finishing artifacts you mean? run44 is pretty decent

[indigo vine]

yes, unless my calcs are wrong

[proud swallow]

my calcs usually are

[wraith grail]

I'm really on the fence of just timeskipping it, I think I might

[fading falcon]

oof having to spend 169 on GF...

Stupid Adaptive nodes

[manic timber]

almost done

[wraith grail]

lol, i said screw it and just used all my banked timeskips and...

hnnnng

in 3 hours run 45 will ascend me

[azure raft]

Post-B35 it's only a few days to max it, isn't it

I'm 1 attempt away from B35's 3rd clear, then BB3, then artifact jail

[outer island]

I'm also one run away from B35. If I can consistently get all mats up to A5 it will be about 3 days of fuel. If I manage to get the resources for A6 it becomes 1.5 days.

[civic parcel]

could also be volley change

[civic parcel]

that's true

[azure raft]

I'm getting 11.56 on both rn

B9B later game clear - 30 FR committed 19.5 used

[azure raft]

BB1 farm clear - 20 FR committed 17.5 used (needs min 2.70 dmg)
2.70-2.80 dmg: 18.75 FR used
2.825+ dmg: 17.5 FR used

I've been running a 30 FR commit build on BB1 since forever, this feels nice. I feel bad for not discovering this earlier, but hey it exists now

BB2 farm clear - 60 FR committed 49.99 used

BB3 farm clear - 50 FR committed 42.36 used

[worthy kayak]

B20 43.52 FR used 3.025 stats

[ocean totem]

does this adviser make sense?

[proud swallow]

I assume it doesnt make sense to you? why not?

[ocean totem]

no position can win with that

[proud swallow]

#1336079579734872217 message

[ocean totem]

frigate killed by hazard before first shot/ and crusers are just barely short

[proud swallow]

I woulda imagined the frigate goes in the center, but whatever worksI guess

[indigo vine]

there is a wierd one. where the frigate basically draws the attention so that the shots get spread out more. the frigate doesn't do any damage, but the position wins

[ocean totem]

I think itd work in 2.8 but it was recommneded in 2.75

[proud swallow]

ooh right I remember that

[indigo vine]

i think it was top 4 cruiser, bottom frigate

[proud swallow]

oh we can practive battles now. I keep forgetting

[misty pecan]

is this fine

[indigo vine]

we cant if we're not in the galaxy though..

practice that is

[ocean totem]

if you are in galaxy now: looks like I can't if not in fleet now

[proud swallow]

here you go, B30 with 2.75 damage

[misty pecan]

whats the frigate doing

[proud swallow]

aligning things I think? I didnt try it without lol

[misty pecan]

😐 ???

[proud swallow]

I saw a similar layout before, so I just rolled with it since that's what his fleet advisor said too

[proud swallow]

best I've seen is run 32, but if you arent sweating G5 then it seems fine

[misty pecan]

think i need a bit more R7 to afford A6

[indigo vine]

i reached A6 at 2030 FR finally. but cant do B side.

this mistake means my original calc was off by a run

[misty pecan]

im 2060 but too lazy to optimise

and im about 300 scrap away from next R7 upgrade

[proud swallow]

everyone's hit by surprise at how much it costs just gettig A6 lol. All of our calcs are off

[indigo vine]

i was adding A6 arti without realizing i cant also get A1B and A2B. thats all it took

[civic parcel]

so was I, one corv on bottom and one cruiser on top

[marble shard]

g5 clear in 37 runs, pause pushing forward to gather artifacts for several times

[round crown]

cool

[round crown]

time to do bb2 bb3 run

cant get last arts node and starting to have spare FR

[vapid hound]

overdeploy is a total loss right? if your cruiser lives with 50% health you always 10 FR back, the extra 20 to overdeploy it is just gone

so here with 4 cruisers, you "saved" 40 FR by buying the 3rd cruiser node

which cost 40FR

[civic parcel]

one-shotting it sbetter than two shotting it though

[vapid hound]

so it's not a savings at all?

[proud swallow]

ya I belive so

[vapid hound]

it just looks better on your scoreboard 😛

[proud swallow]

wait, what do you mean?

it woulda been 20 FR cheaper if I hadnt had to overdeploy 1 fighter

overdeploying is a loss, but it was needed to win

[vapid hound]

yeah im talking cruisers, you spend 20+20+20+40, if i spend 20+20+40+60

i have spent 40 more

but the node cost you 40

[proud swallow]

oh

yeah getting the cruiser node for one fight is not a good FR choice

or neutral, if you're literally just talking about the cruiser node itself

[vapid hound]

well it's neutral here. but it made me go "how is this god getting ~156 when i get 200"

and the answer is you were "really" getting 196 😛

[proud swallow]

lol

also though, you cant really over-farm scrap in G5. So it's not hard to grab

[round crown]

for me its always the same - buying a cruiser node or overdeploying

but if u use him at least twice then its a gain

[vapid hound]

a single overdeploy is a loss. if you use 5 it's a gain

[round crown]

for me single isnt a loss - its the same 40 fr spent

[proud swallow]

fairly often I'd want to clear out all the high-efficiency A route nodes anyway, so I would be sitting next to the cruiser node anyway

[civic parcel]

but the battles you have to fight through to reach it

[vapid hound]

two singles you mean? cause you get it for 20 instead of 40

so you need at least 2

[civic parcel]

anything beyond the second cruiser is usually a loss

wait the math is a bit finer than that 🤔

[vapid hound]

there are SOME boss fights where the strat is still 5+ cruiser though right

it's good there

[civic parcel]

40 FR to overdeploy one + 20 with M node + 40 for the node itself
overdeploying two in one battle:
40 + 60 vs 20 + 40 + 40
overdeploying one in two battles:
40 + 40 vs 20 + 40 + 40

[civic parcel]

yeah like bb3, at some stat point 5 cruisers means all 5 get a hit on base but only 4 cruisers, only 2 will hit base

so the overdeploy is super value, plus you need to rerun it multiple times anwyays

[vapid hound]

BB3 is easy tho you can full clear the galaxy by the point you should be hitting that

easy to get whatever node you want, i mean

[proud swallow]

yeah pretty sure I had a few 5 cruiser clears

I think 5 cruiser BB3 was the most FR efficient, probably... maybe

[civic parcel]

it was by far

[round crown]

alright so im attempting bb3 feels like 3 clears..

yep done

i read its 5 or more clears thought will lose 720 fr or smth but its only 120+120+106 with 5 cruisers (both cruiser a b nodes) and 2.9 or 2.85 stats

now on to bb2

[round crown]

yes stats are more than medium but here is a better one for bb2 2-shot with 4 cruisers (wont be much useful but why not post)

[round crown]

b26 27.19 used 2.9 stats

b27 29.98 used only works with 2.9 stats+

b12b 15.89 2.9 stats

[vapid hound]

B8A 26.8/40 Stats 2.375

[round crown]

b20 45.32 used

lol, i wonder why it only works this way but not mirrored to top

[misty pecan]

f

[civic parcel]

time to redo the whole galaxy to claw back your 1.98 Frf

[round crown]

im gonna try to get this arts node now for the first time as well

but my scrap gain will slow down A LOT

i went straight to arts - and my goal is not completing arts but thewhole galaxy with adaptive to zero etc

went straight to arts node and left for this. soon will change it to A1A after the next resourse node upgrade

or else

740 scrap per run or smth ok then

upgrades gain:)

[frank harbor]

Worth checking if A1A will actually change the number of runs to max artifacts- it didn't for me once I could reach A6 so it was sometimes better to run other notes for scrap

[round crown]

thx but i feel like ill need more runs to make all adaptive nodes be free
and also a1a locks the way to one of them and decent scrap nodes i dont rly like the way from middle -

but ill keep that in mind

[round crown]

it feels like i need a couple runs to get artifacts so ive stopped using A6 node...
cause ill need like 10 runs for adaptive D4 node etc...

i dunno this time ive invested it used to cost 52.43 or smth

also ill need to level GF alot - its only of lvl 2 iirc atm

w8 nvm leveling GF is just dumping all FR into it so its doesnt matter

[pale badger]

In order to take all the G5 upgrades, I decided to stop laps once and save the fuel.
To get all of them from here, I need to do more than 10 more laps.

(i)
Set all aliensynth to 80lv.
Prepare to push base6 comp.

(ii)
Take all G5 base6 upgrades.
Do reinforce.
Push base6 comp.
Accumulate sufficient fuel

(iii)
Start G5 circumnavigation.

[round crown]

sounds like u r willin to get benefit from base 6 before grinding artifacts from galaxy?

but if u r about to max galaxy and all its nodes - artifacts isnt an issue at all

---

from the other side i can finish all that after reinforce....

so i might want to max artifacts asap and then chill in reinforce...

but whatever, all that minmaxing doesnt make any sense if im playing so casually that i can waste a day or two - which is 10 galaxy runs themselves.... etc
for e.x. being ad max astrium

[azure raft]

did you account for B35 completion in that timeline? it brings down wait times to 4h

[pale badger]

Thank you, of course.

[slate grove]

boo..

apparently can't get it next run either

[civic parcel]

sad

[final oyster]

I just started G5 - with 377 resources total (last reinforce was at S109).

When should I go after BB1?

[bronze coral]

Push down either top or bottom?

[final oyster]

I'm pushing down top right now.

[rough swift]

top till the first hazard is gone, then bottom untill you need r1 s2 or s3.

[slate grove]

I farmed BB3 again

for everyone saying BB3 is a shitty farm

[lilac hare]

shouldnt 2k fr be enough to get A6 if u make a beeline straight for it though?

[slate grove]

it's not

by a tiny margin

[slate grove]

2020 spent

[lilac hare]

hmm yea just barely off

[slate grove]

it's also the run with the least FR I've spent on GF

[lilac hare]

free from g5 🎉

[slate grove]

not yet lol

I have more artifacts to farm

[lilac hare]

almost there tho

i was lazy on b6 so my g5 took 47 runs

[slate grove]

even more efficient! who needs L1 anyway?

[slate grove]

that was run 35 ^

[civic parcel]

bb3 is a pretty good farm

[civic parcel]

I think I've gotten as low as 0.007 leftover lmao

[vapid hound]

it's probably near the bottom of the list

because it's behind M2

[slate grove]

nice

[civic parcel]

huh, true

[vapid hound]

B30 159.92 / 160

maybe it's obvious, but it's slightly better than the line of 5 and you need it to win at 2.65

[slate grove]

surprised it's better than the line of 5

[vapid hound]

for almost all stats i tried they are identical

but at 2.65 it gets that decisive extra shot off

[slate grove]

damn getting all the A nodes is hard

you have to go up the other path and spend 40 on the other A2 node after getting A6

[vapid hound]

i think it's pretty unlikely to matter unless you get an unlucky break

in terms of runs to finish artifacts

[slate grove]

it will be possible with another R upgrade for me

[civic parcel]

somehow sticking random frigate at the top works

with 4 cruisers

not sure about those stats

[vapid hound]

not at my stats it jsut dies

[civic parcel]

the frigate never supposed to live

it just draws aggro for 2 seconds which somehow works

at some stat point

[vapid hound]

well it doesnt do that either, not yet

im probably not keeping this run anyway i was just testing if i could scratch b31 yet

[slate grove]

run 38: first time getting all the A nodes

[spice lantern]

I think I'm bad at the fleet game. Run 38 and...

[vapid hound]

your reward for doing it perfectly is a bunch of extra runs farming scrap to get enough FR to hit A6

and you'll finish a day later maybe, no big deal

[slate grove]

also the timeskippers will always be WAYY ahead of you even if you play exactly perfect

I think there's someone at like S127 already

[rough swift]

iim not even hald done🥲

[vapid hound]

how far you've cleared in the map is better indication, all the artifacts are at the end

[rough swift]

done, how the hell you get A6 is beyond me though

[civic parcel]

run 37 b35 cleared is fine

I cleared it run 36

[civic parcel]

farm stats and do a lot of optimising, skip every unnecessary battle and node to get to b35

[vapid hound]

do you mean 36? cause dang

[civic parcel]

yeah

36

[rough swift]

o would have gotten it sooner but i didnt think to try diuble fighting the bases

[vapid hound]

the 1 shot solutions for a lot of them are pretty reasonable

not BB3 though lol

[civic parcel]

bb3 is just impossible

[vapid hound]

you need the starting destroyer from galaxy 8

[civic parcel]

I wonder if a large ship would even survive the hazard 🤔

unless it also has an armor tank ability

[bronze coral]

Capital Fleet when

[rough swift]

g7

[civic parcel]

probably never, or super late

sylv has spoken before

[slate grove]

if you don't complete any nodes it doesn't show up in your run log?

[bronze coral]

Why would it?

It's an empty run

[slate grove]

so what does it say for the run after that?

also I don't think contributing scrap to a node but not completing any nodes should count as an empty run

cause contributing scrap is progress

ok, the runs are counted properly it seems. The line for 39 was just omitted cause I didn't complete any nodes that run (but did contribute a ton of scrap to R7). Seems weird to display it that way though..

[round crown]

i guess it shows upgrades - first kills are also upgrades

history of upgrading strategy is what matters

[slate grove]

3 achievements in a row! 3rd one was complete 213 nodes, which I forgot to screenshot (whoops!)

now I have to decide whether to go UT for minor bonuses, or keep farming g5 for these silly achievements

[azure raft]

legit happens to everyone lmao

[misty pecan]

🙃

[proud swallow]

that's me, I said that!

[round crown]

can i have b31 farm layout pls? ping me pls
60-49.89 atm

b31 49.89 used

soon(tm)

[vapid hound]

B30 109.44 / 110 Stats 2.7 modified from daddykiht idea

same as the other one, you need to move the cruiser to win at 2.7 stats

[round crown]

about 13 runs left to finish the galaxy!!! woohoo

for a total of like 55 runs

D4 is at 21.47 atm and i need zero cost
few runs to finish R upgrade then dump in GF couple runs..
not sure maybe ill run to d4 dumping leftover to gf.. yeah i guess

[pale badger]

I hoarded fuel and did a base6 push before going around.
It took Run41 to get all the artifacts.

[azure raft]

I don't think anyone justifies "farming" B31, D4-B29-B30-B31 path just does not have a good FR to scrap ratio

I only beat B31 once with hazard then never touched that path again

[round crown]

for me its either them or dumping leftover to GF and also maxing D node is a goal

also some of them are pretty decent ratio

for e.x. b29 right after D that is no cost

[azure raft]

do you mean maxing D node for achievement? because achievement counts D node as completed from 1 attempt

[round crown]

b31 is also good

[azure raft]

I just got D2A for the first time and that was the last straw for achievement

[round crown]

i know ive got an achvmnt from d1b long ago

[azure raft]

I mean this

[round crown]

this one i have as well

[azure raft]

not "D1B" ik what you mean

do you get something out of making them all free too?

[round crown]

nope im just kinda completist sometimes

[azure raft]

still better use of astrium than UT lol

[round crown]

hold on!!!

ut is great why not

synh for e.x. 30% and many others as well

[azure raft]

I have 27% on synth

[round crown]

this one for some progressing as well

but itll get better

[azure raft]

but comparing 5 G5 runs to 1 UT run, I'd also rather do G5 completionist

[round crown]

well atm i just dont wanna reinforce cause i dunno

let it run somemore days some alien some base 6

a bit tired - will play again later also tonigh genshin 5.4 is released and other games and lots of anime and stuff in rl

im 100% sure that reinforcement will bring me that dopamine so im not in rush to consume everything asap:):)

https://tenor.com/view/hyperborea-car-hyperboria-hyperborea-hyperboria-cat-cat-gif-16758155947211811167

i mean start of reinforce is pretty intensive - active play, so

not sure maybe im also tired - cause i run each battle manually

guess Sylv will add some new achvmnt again with g6+

not sure what was the point of buying Ai autocomplete for galaxy - cause i never use it

[azure raft]

oof yeah my last few runs I didn't buy any dmg nodes so I wouldn't have to reoptimize

[round crown]

i understand but im not really optimising i just run them that way for possible future achievement to have slightly more fuelfor g6+

iirc sylv and some1 said that there will be at least 10 or 12 galaxies so

[nova gyro]

anyone have a setup for BB3

[fading falcon]

god DAMN bb3 sucks

All you can do is spam cruisers

[azure raft]

Yep.

[thorny jasper]

i so close to b35 i think i may not do it and place all in gf

[rough swift]

Sooon

[bronze coral]

Why would you not do it

The damage is MUCH better than what you can get with GF

[gaunt spindle]

even spamming cruisers i cant clear bb3, my cruisers dont survive the trip to the ship xdd

guess i need all the fleet health nodes maxed out

[round crown]

if u mean bb3 with base then i suggest just do more runs first and then cheese it cheap

[gaunt spindle]

how do you cheese it?

[round crown]

with high stats only takes 3 attempts for 300fr total

[ocean totem]

pain

[round crown]

hello stats

[round crown]

im so happy that im immune to that thing:):) ive got 8 runs more to ocomplete and i have 43028 arts already - only gathering A1B A2B A3 A4 and still too many artifacts

because of this node i have to finish last

[sinful cedar]

nah b35 impossible fr

nvm

this helped

[devout sentinel]

I'm just stuck on S117 and now i definitely need to get that scaling upgrade for G5, but i've already do some runs in G5 and can afford more upgrades, so my question is: when I should stop and do reinforce? Currently i have these upgrades (pic) and not sure, should I reinforce now or spent another several days to farm?

[acoustic night]

My B8A and B12A are a bit higher than the other Battle nodes on the A and B routes, so B is the cheaper node for me

(Ds are all 0 on both paths)

My S5 is 8/10, R6 is 5/10, R7 is 2/5 and GF is 5/10.

I'm just a little shy on being able to reach A6, and that's with completely ignoring A1A and A2A

[spice lantern]

Does anyone have patterns that are materially cheaper for the following:

B24 - 60 commit, 48 used
B32 - 70 commit, 57 used
B33 - 90 commit, 67 used
B34 - 60 commit, 59 used
B35 - 60 commit, 49 used

[acoustic night]

Those are better than mine. What's your S5 and GF at?

[spice lantern]

S5 at 6, gf at 6

[acoustic night]

Slightly better than mine

Shouldn't explain the difference

mind showing your setups for those?

[sullen depot]

you're less than 10% done with g5. imo i would reinforce now so you can use the extra scaling and power to push into 119 which will increase your fleet resources to complete g5 overall faster.

[rough swift]

You should have reinforced after burning your fuel on patch day

[spice lantern]

which ones?

[acoustic night]

All 5? 😛

[spice lantern]

lol

doing a reclear, one mine

B24 - 60 commit, 49 used

B32 - 70 commit, 57 used

I have a different ship setup this time and a worse score, so that's someone else's screenshot

trying to get close with different ships and failing righ tnow 😮

[azure raft]

every time you want a setup for a stage, search has:image b24 for example. that's how I navigated everyone's setups before g5 completion. and check pinned sheet

[tiny jetty]

I felt so chuffed now that rather than spamming BB3 with all the ATs I can afford, it is better to spam it with half the ATs I can afford and then do it again. Now instead of 3 runs to clear it will take 2

[hazy tusk]

Is there a "good" ship setup for B35 this seems like it'll be a massive slog regardless and I'd rather it not be 10 runs solely on it

[azure raft]

B35 damage curve is a bit weird, you may want to hold off until 2.85 damage

I did a variant of this, I believe. or this directly

[hazy tusk]

I'm at 2.9

[azure raft]

try Sol's setup that I just linked

[hazy tusk]

ok, thanks

that's definitely much better, though still pretty taxing so it'll be another few runs, thanks

[round crown]

a single change to like single Frigate armor - can change the whole battle

b35 is 3 attempts iirc not too expensive

bruteforce more optimisation

[azure raft]

did you level R7? after 2.85 you have enough damage to handle stuff, and more FP becomes more prevalent

[round crown]

maybe some of previous battles u using arent optimised? recheck the whole path

[plush knoll]

I reached the last upgrade on G5, aka crew Splicing yey, now maybe i'm gonna go for maybe reactor speed

[hazy tusk]

I don't see many loadouts posted, just resources used

[lavish dew]

WIN!!

can't even add to GF node!

[fiery leaf]

Has it been determined if the top or bottom route uses less resources in G5? This is after you get all the nodes you need on both.

[fading falcon]

Most people seem to swear by the bottom route but I dont think there's actual numbers

[fiery leaf]

That is what I did in the testing phase but wasn't sure

[fading falcon]

But tbh it shouldnt make much of a difference, you need both cruisers anyway so it's only 2 nodes that are different

[fiery leaf]

I just need to finish S3A and after that it won't matter which route I choose

I didn't get the both M1A/B during the testing phase but not sure if that changed after the final round of changes

[fading falcon]

I didnt do the last 4 battles but I imagine having the fourth cruiser will only help

[bronze coral]

Does getting adaptive nodes to 0 count as "completing" them

[fading falcon]

to <1

Since itll never reach 0

oh misunderstood your question, yeah that counts as completing them

[bronze coral]

As in like

Do I need to re-run the galaxy 10x

Just to get that node to 0

For a "full" completion

[azure raft]

Getting them once counts as completing them for achievement

[bronze coral]

I see

Thx

[fading falcon]

Oh TIL

[plush knoll]

I the H area, which one is the best route to take? B23 or B25?? in order to get rid of the hazards?

[fading falcon]

I did 23 -> 25 -> 27

[vagrant vortex]

same - 23 is nice to get M2 access if you need extra units for cheap

[plush knoll]

tnx

[fading falcon]

man A5 is rough

[worn tundra]

This, at 2.85 1 shots the base. Probably could be better. Eh.

[rough swift]

Total Victory

[vapid hound]

anecdotally, there's a few things going for route B

• it's a little easier overall
• it's armor focused, which means cruisers are better in B (cruisers get OP)
• B route doesn't have B8A

it's mostly because of how B8A sucks. it never gets cheap even late in the galaxy

also both cruisers was rarely (never?) worth it

maybe BB3?

the cruiser node costs 40 and getting there even more, you have 2 or 3 cruisers already, so you're talking multiple 5 cruiser deployments before it pays off

[azure raft]

@worn tundra

[tiny jetty]

Is it possible to get M1 for only 60 FR? The 290 looks like a better deal

[azure raft]

In total it takes about 160 FR iirc (including M1A) so it breaks even at a total of 8 overdeployments. Normally not worth it

However, in that specific situation, I was going to have enough FR left over to farm scrap with, in which case I prioritized going for A2A for artifacts, which meant I was already almost next to M1A anyway. One more early scrap and now it breaks even at 2 overdeployments (just M1A) due to not going out of my way to add the whole path

Since there's 6/4 costs 60 more than 6/3, it was a net positive trade, given that I'd already farm scrap there

[acoustic night]

...

[misty pecan]

happens to everyone

[acoustic night]

Mine was closer 😛

But I managed to optimize another fight, so I made it 😄

[round crown]

bye bye for good

[rough swift]

back to unstable🤮

[open parrot]

2 more runs to finish B35, and then a couple more to finish the artifacts

[azure raft]

dang you guys have it worse than me, here I thought my 621/640 was bad

[azure raft]

was it worth it?

[gentle talon]

so i just got to G5 but there seems like no way I can have enough fleet resources left to get past the requirement for 220

[vapid hound]

220?

[open parrot]

And that's B35 done, now to see if I can get A6 before I finish the upgrade tree 😂

[shut kettle]

What sector-progression do I want before I really start investing in G5?

[round crown]

like 118-119 i guess

rip splicing requires s117

[dusk barn]

As it says - 459 is recommended - s116? At s117 the FR jumps +50 ~505. So higher lvl sectors make a larger impact than previous galaxies.

Best use of fuel for G5 if you are needing to use it early is lowering the cost of D1A/D1B and upgrading R1A/S1A.
G5 is still fairly new and lots of ppl that have progressed/completed it were 117+ at the time. Can't emphasis enough how much of a difference 117/118/119 are from one another for running G5.

[round crown]

thats so lame

[acoustic night]

It's always +10%

[civic parcel]

(multiplicative)

[proud swallow]

best use of fuel is farming scrap, please dont waste it on D unless that lets you farm more scrap

[bronze coral]

Why lame?

[fiery leaf]

Should only worry about lowring those nodes once you don't have anything to spend scrap on

[chrome nova]

is there anything more efficient than rushing B29 with 5 fighter-squads?

[vapid hound]

not really, only increasing stats allowing you to use a 4 fighter squad

you can pick fighter x2 from the L1 and L2 nodes which helps

[civic parcel]

it's doable in 3/4 fighters with more stats

personally farm more scrap before going for that one

[chrome nova]

lol, this was funny, lemme see if I can get a recording

[civic parcel]

blorp

mini rail gun is better

[chrome nova]

"you lose- wait, you win"

[civic parcel]

you should be able to dip the corvettes too

extra range on fighters making em hit earlier is so huge here

[chrome nova]

ohhhh neat

and yeah, 4-squad kill

[civic parcel]

smh people nowadays don't believe in the power of MR fighters as much

they were super busted in the early days of g4

[chrome nova]

damn, 15k hp on B31?

[civic parcel]

slam it with cruisers

[chrome nova]

yeah I loaded it up with cruisers but could only do ~2400 per round. trying to see if I can go through the stages it protects to get a bit more FR for next round

the answer is "no, not even with 8 cruisers"

back to pelting B31, I guess

[chrome nova]

managed to find a formation that deals almost 8300 damage, so I can two-shot the stage

[plush knoll]

i just did B27 in 2 Shots in the same run, with 4 nat cruisers yey

[round crown]

why would it req s117 if i unlock it at s115

[bronze coral]

You're not supposed to unlock it at S115

And Crew gives nothing below S51

The intended sector is S117

[round crown]

ive had 5k sleeves at s115 1 day into reinforce

when am i supposed to unlock it then((

isay its lame

i cant unlock crew prior to s51 that ok

[bronze coral]

Just means sector progression is slightly too fast

I.E. you can continue at the same speed to get to S117 no problem

😛

[round crown]

i vote its a bad game design to be able to unlock the system that doesnt work thats all

i wasnt able to get to s117 that fast((

but whatever

[bronze coral]

Completely fair opinion

[spiral jetty]

sweet

[silver flare]

not sure if this is too early/inefficient to be worth, but this clears bb1(base) in 2 attempts (502.5 dmg)

[tall bridge]

i'm all S max and GF6/10 . still need 90 FR to get A6. is it reacheable and i'm doing something wrong or i just need more GF?

[vapid hound]

that is a ton of GF

you should be able to get it

do you have much R7?

if you want tech, you might try searching this discord for layouts for your more expensive battles. such as this to find b33: has:image B33

[tall bridge]

ho... i made the same mistake than in G4. thinking R is growing fleet srcap and not FR.. make sense. i'm a moron (and non english native speaking) thaks buddy

[nova gyro]

i skip A1B path and that gives me enough to get right to A6

[coarse kestrel]

not sure this is intended but I am trying to run G5 with 118 (555) FR and its really hard to clear the last artifact node. I've been doing the auto run through all stages as much as possible but with all Artifacts maxed and L5 in the GF I end up with 590FR left, which is just 50 short of the 640 needed. I got all Rs maxed, all but S5 (lv8) maxed and GF 5/10.

It feels pretty harsh, I am 10k artifacts away from maxing the galaxy out and I just got the GF to 6 (which will probably allow me to grab the last node. Is it really intended that way? That you have to maximize all R nodes and then some GF in order to clear the last node, with 20% more FR than the game recommends?

Is the autorun + improvement feature just not good enough or is this steep requirement intentional?

I may be able to get those resources if I'd skip the L1 choice and find a way to beat all the stages manually, but then it's still 20% more FR than recommended and even if I'd skip L1 and M1A.. I doubt it would work with recommended resources that way

[nova gyro]

whats your R7at?

[coarse kestrel]

all Rs are maxed

I mean, I am okee with it if its just the auto feature being.. bad

the prize to pay for being lazy right, no problem with that

but if the auto feature isnt supposed to be "this bad" then.. yeah.

Just calculated with the GF6 value and its barely enough (644 left).

[chrome nova]

how many runs did y'all take for B35?

[fading falcon]

I beat it in 3

[chrome nova]

damn. with my current stats I'm lucky if I get it in 5

[fading falcon]

What level is your s5 at?

[chrome nova]

with 5 cruisers

[fading falcon]

The others look like mine did

[chrome nova]

S5 is at 6, R6 at 5

[fading falcon]

I think my s5 was at 8

[chrome nova]

ok, 3 runs doesn't seem that out there anymore. 220 FR invested for 1906.5 damage to the boss

[azure raft]

I think there was a strong damage curve to B35. You really want 2.80 or better yet 2.85 ? Not sure anymore, info left my brain when I cleared it

I definitely had 2.85 for a 3 attempt clear

[gaunt spindle]

lets gooo, reinforce time!

[bronze coral]

Enjoy

[coarse kestrel]

still can't do it with GF6, mhm.

Can anyone help me to check whether I have some massive F-ups with resources?

Using extra fighters in L1/L2

heh, found a way to dramatically improve B33

brings it down from 133.68 to 75.46

was 10 FR short of beating it so I tried to improve the biggest batch.. well, worked.

seems like the auto improvement feature struggles with this stage a lot.

[chrome nova]

I can't check my current setup due to lacking fuel, but mine did it in 72.95

I just know I used frigates for L1 and corvettes for L2

[coarse kestrel]

thank you, let me know when you can, maybe I can improve things a bit more with some other ideas. Also let me know if you want any setups

the fix to B33 allowed me to get the last node and the only artifact node I can no longer get is A2B

with a bit of luck I can ref in 4, 5 runs at most

[chrome nova]

I'm still a fair bit behind on that, I'm not even halfway done artifact-wise

[plush knoll]

For me i'm doing right now B30 struggling with B31, but i believe i will manage to do it next run, the Auto calculation for the battles helps me a ton

[chrome nova]

this is my setup for B33, this round it went down to 69.38

[median furnace]

are there other modifiers for how strong my ships are? I have every in-galaxy buff, yet I cannot even come close to beating B32 with the setup shown in the doc

[civic parcel]

no?

[civic parcel]

then your layout is wrong

[median furnace]

it's the same layout as the doc

[civic parcel]

mods?

armor/shields etc.

[median furnace]

same as the doc

[chrome nova]

you did clear B31 already?

[median furnace]

no

[chrome nova]

well there you go

the hazard is killing you

[median furnace]

oooo its gone now, thank you

[civic parcel]

lol

[coarse kestrel]

don't have those 3 cruisers at that point anymore I think. Don't go M2 anymore

[lunar mesa]

Not quite sure if better to max out earlier nodes first, or to just push as far as one can especially for galaxy 5

[little spire]

D3 reached with enough FR to satisfy it Making good progress in G5

also got AT, looks like I have to redo all fights where I used cruisers

[vapid hound]

AT is really good on some early fights

especially if you can hide a CL corvette behind it

[chrome nova]

R6 at 6
R7 at 1
missing 120 FR to grab A6

[chrome nova]

is the spreadsheet meant to show layouts for first kills, or for optimized kills?

[round crown]

for many of situations

also use search discord has:image with zone number

[drowsy sapphire]

At what sector reached should I aim for g5 start? s111 just allows me 4 battles

[round crown]

s116-s119 iirc

somewhere around that not sure i did that at s119

[vapid hound]

you should bank a few days of fuel and then use it to stay below max

every sector you push makes it better

also at some point you want to reinforce for the descaler and the sleeve generation speed

[chrome nova]

I doubt I can get B7B much lower than that

[round crown]

u should take screenshot with stats

[chrome nova]

fair

B7B clear

[round crown]

u know there are stats listed when u take more area

it was added recently and allows a single take

[chrome nova]

oh

yeah classic blind moment

[round crown]

just giving advice:)

[round crown]

try using back row instead

[chrome nova]

literally same score

[round crown]

ok then

at some point in stats there was a difference

[chrome nova]

marginal improvements overall, still 73 FR away from grabbing A6

guess I gotta spend a few more runs to upgrade R6 and R7 some more

[azure raft]

that was power diff I believe. and usually I'd test both, they would alternate giving better results

at some point I started getting the same FR used with both layouts

[round crown]

but i think ive tested both - and got a difference of about 1 used from moveing to back row

cant recall for certain

[chrome nova]

inching closer, this time I tried going all-in on fighters, best result so far

[chrome nova]

used that run to clear pretty much every node except for B28 and above, and

still need 5 more runs to finish G5. might actually burn a 6-hour skip

[coarse kestrel]

nice1, did you optimize the path for max Artifacts already?

grabbing all the earlier ones too and such?

[chrome nova]

yeah. grabbing 2841 artifacts per run

[plush knoll]

B34 done, doing preparations for B35

[lunar mesa]

lol ouch when I checked out the late galaxy 5 hazards, tried the first fight that has them and only the biggest fleet ship survives even with nearly 100% maxed out nodes before that point (B21 "get rekt" stage)

at this rate I'm not sure I'll even finish the first basic buff node for galaxy 5, and right now I can only reach B21 and I get hardcore rekt there

[glad vector]

Feels like I'm approaching B32 and 33 wrong. They are so much more drastically difficult than anything else up to this point.

[vapid hound]

you need to kill B31 first

kill b23 & b25, so you can kill b27, so you can kill b31, so you can turn off the hazard on b32 and b33

[glad vector]

Oh. I had no idea that's how the hazards worked. And ya, I hadn't killed B31 yet. Thanks!

Yup, way easier.

[little spire]

I have 2.825 stats and this setup fails, why is fleet so wonky

the answer is, skill issue

[azure raft]

it's about fighters dying differently and aggro getting messed up

[little spire]

had the wrong weapon for fighters

it worked

after defeating B31, can I just stop at M2 and use my FR for B32+?

[azure raft]

if you want more on why better stats sometimes makes battles worse, here's something to look at

[little spire]

BB3 is defeated

[azure raft]

should be doable

but I'd recommend to go without it first

remember the path+node cost and how much overdeployment costs

effectively, post-hazard B22-B23-M3 should cost around 110ish I think

so if you only overdeploy 5 times you're at an FR deficit. 6 overdeployments and you're at an FR surplus

and that's total, not on a per-attempt basis

[fiery leaf]

In testing I did the final stretch with only 2 cruisers as I skipped M2 and one of the M1 nodes

[tall raptor]

Finished g5 (other than BB3 and buying all upgrades)
Hell yeah

[proud swallow]

that's me!

[shut kettle]

1. For adaptive nodes, do I have to invest the full price or just open up the option to "trigger" them?

2. For a first run, what's my rough priority list? D1B/D1A? Or something else?

[vapid hound]

you have to actually pay for a D node to make it 20% cheaper next time, not just reach it

B6A or B6B is your first goal, either is possible in 1 run

err, they are possible on the first run if you were at s119 where you have max starting FR

it will probably take you more runs sorry

[shut kettle]

Eh, no worries. I'm rapidly approaching fuel-cap, so either I go in low or I waste fuel.

[vapid hound]

yeah i just didnt want to confuse you when i was spouting off how it was for end-of-content people cause i didnt look at your sector

anyway the general priority is get the next hazard causing target if you can, if you can't farm battles to max scrap

[shut kettle]

Well, suiciding into BB1 immediately to clear hazards that way is an option I was putting on the bottom of my list.

Instincts say B6A/B first, but I've been wrong before.

[proven bone]

s113 might not give you enough FR to do b6a/b first run, but if you chip away at one of the d1s you'll eventually make it cheap enough that you can kill one of them

then you'd do the other one

I think you need about 500 FR to kill b6a run 1 from memory

[plush knoll]

Little question do the Figthers count as Hull or shield/armor??

[proven bone]

hull

[hallow summit]

is there like a guide for the best setups for each battle?

ive almost maxed the fleet resource nodes and cant quite reach the last artifact node

[vapid hound]

search discord for for a battle name with images with has:image B22 and scroll though for clears

[vapid hound]

or look at the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[fiery leaf]

Nice, didn't know someone did that

Have something to look at if I get stuck

[chrome nova]

one general tipp: make sure you clear the clearable hazards.
especially the cluster of hazards from B23/B25/B27 and B31 seems to be tripping up people

the ones on B16/B17 are permanent but are relatively bearable after a few runs past them

[vivid shore]

3

3

[sullen flicker]

I have like 345 base Fleet Resources available hence why I'm struggling to make any progress in G5.

[lunar mesa]

B29 in Galaxy 5 does HOW MUCH DAMAGE?!?!

even earlier hazards even with nearly maxed health/armor my cruisers can barely handle some things, I think the capital ships that attack every time they are attacked just insta-kill anything

[proud swallow]

ya b29 instakills when it lands. Fun battle

[lunar mesa]

if it auto-hits every ship though that feels like awful design cause might need a lot of grind to take out all the enemy ships in that little time

kinda funny though some battles I've won with effectively zero hp left, all came down to pure luck with the timing of enemy getting one less short connecting

[chrome nova]

B29 feels awful at first, but you just need to throw more fighters at it. 5 should do the trick, 4 if you're adventurous or have high S-nodes

[tall raptor]

at last
A6

[proud swallow]

there's only 1 sniper there, so you only need to kill 2 ships. It's not as bad as it sounds at first

I prefer the 1 frigate and 3 or 4 fighters personally. Less overdeploy

[lunar mesa]

last sector I did I swear I tried every setup possible to see if I could do with I think just 4 cruisers but needed to push it to 5, all cause of that tiny time window of reinforcements that spawn perpetually that all my cruisers switch to pew-pewing

[proud swallow]

yeah there's a lot of overdeploying needed here, especially on hazard fights

[civic parcel]

This galaxy:

[sullen flicker]

I assume there will be more Crew upgrades after 9000 levels, right?

[devout sentinel]

Do you get the Crew Supremacy?

[sullen flicker]

Not yet. Reached Master 6 on all jobs tho.

[devout sentinel]

So, without much spoilers, just get mastery 8 on every crew.

Honestly, I don't understand how I should get the last artifact node lacking ~320 FR...
Already cut off some useless branches and still missing so much.
Maybe maxing out R6/R7 will help?

I think that my battles are optimal, but not sure.

[hasty flicker]

after maxing R6 and R7, I'm sitting on 610 aftewr optimizing my route. Leaves me to wonder what I can do to squeeze that last 30 out

[fiery leaf]

You are completing a lot of nodes that you don't need to, and you can skip the entire top half as you will get more from A6 than A2A

You should max the S and R nodes, as they will get you a lot more resources

And make sure you are redoing battles to remove ships and make them cheaper

[azure raft]

Yeah basically damage check and overdeploy fighters, it's pretty much the only way. There is a setup with 1 missle launcher and many fighters but it's extremely situational and not necessarily optimal

[hasty flicker]

pain

[shut kettle]

Is there ever a reason to get M1A and M1B in the same run? 🤔

[round crown]

i did that few times

maybe on my overstat bb2 bb3 clear - it saved some stuff cause ive been gathering scrap instead of A6 anyway - havent used A6 cause my goal was to max D4

ok the answer is i dunno

[hasty flicker]

finally

I admittedly won't benefit from this much since I already had almost everything from the tree maxed, but it's maybe more for the feeling of accomplishment

[azure raft]

sometimes it's just convenient, but usually not. think about the effective path cost of getting to M1A from artifact trove, it adds roughly 160 FP. that breaks even at a total of 8 overdeployments, which you won't really do per run

[pliant fox]

finally inching closer and closer, just killed B31H, I hope never to come back to that stinker

[bronze coral]

Luckly, you won't have to

[rough swift]

=\ towards the end you do it for that sweeet scrap

[azure raft]

by then you have way too much FP to spare, it works out

doesn't even matter if you do it, since you're getting max artifacts before that on later runs either way

but it helps node completion achievement to max scrap nodes, so why not

[shut kettle]

What's your base 6 bonus?

[azure raft]

it was around 1.68 around the time I finished g5, but I'd been sitting at s120 for a while before g5 update

[pliant fox]

we did it we did it, now just get artifacts and then reinforce time

Well I am happy with the gains

[livid chasm]

#1336079579734872217 message this works on 1x speed, and i get absolutely shit on at 2x speed

bizarre

ugh i wonder how much of fleet has been that way 😦

[azure raft]

someone looked into it at some point - I remember the explanation being something along the lines of "fighters travel just a bit further". and that's kinda sorta the same reason some setups don't work at higher fleet atk/hp; fighters die differently, which messes up enemy aggro, which may tilt the battle

[livid chasm]

it was just impressive how big a tilt

i spent like 80 or 90 more resources and still lost

changed to 1x speed and first try

[shut kettle]

I assume x2 speed is actually using fewer frames, and thus things like "it takes 7.25 frames before I can fire" becomes "It takes 3.625 frames", and then rounding screws you over.

(Might truncate instead of round, but that's going to have the same behavior)

[vapid hound]

i think it might be more complicated than that, it's background game engine stuff

making collision detection resolve in slightly different orders or something

but it could be rounding i suppose

[proven bone]

the 1x/2x stuff is collision detection/pathing stuff, yes. doesn't change when ships fire, but it can sometimes change the way ships collide and accelerate. it's mostly fighters and snipers that it affects now

[civic parcel]

the positioning of them matters a lot because you can have one ship tank like 5 sniper shots instead of 5 sniper shots killing 5 of your ships

[pliant fox]

so close

[shut kettle]

Right, which would happen because the "frames" are different sizes. That's basically what I'm getting at.

[gentle talon]

it says I can beat this but I have no idea what the setup is for it

[proud swallow]

USI is your introduction to chaotic systems, learn well

[proud swallow]

cant help if we don't know battle it is

[gentle talon]

oh sorry it is B24

[lunar mesa]

hm, the final final big battle in galaxy 5 was the first time I couldn't figure out a way to get it done with just 2 fights even with maxed out node buffs and having last prestiged at previous end of content sector

[civic parcel]

simple solution: 3 fights

[proud swallow]

oh sorry, I missed your reply. Probably too late, but here's a layout with that composition

oh actually it's using different weapons. Huh

#1336079579734872217 message

[lunar mesa]

ok what. Just realized it seems...actually impossible to have enough fleet resources to be able to buy the final artifact node for galaxy 5? hm I reload and try seeing if I can shave off anything more.

best I could do after another try, not enough even before I have to go thru the capital ship node (minus the ship itself)

[azure raft]

along the way there's usually multiple stages where you overdeploy cruisers, getting M1A will likely benefit you. Other than that, it is not only possible but also people with much weaker S/R/GF nodes have done it. That makes me think you're severely limited by your base FR, which comes from pushing sectors in main game. Remember that base FR grows by 10% per new highest sector reached

[lunar mesa]

ah. last prestige I did was at 117 I think

[azure raft]

since g5 update, you no longer need to reinforce to gain FR

just highest stage ever reached

also keep in mind that all fleet resource (R) nodes are additive to each other, while reaching a new highest sector will always multiplicatively increase your FR

[lunar mesa]

ah nice that might help then, I'm at 117 but can easily push to 119 or more

[fiery leaf]

Make sure you redo past battles to reduce the amount of FR you get

Also I think the bottom path uses slightly less FR

[vapid hound]

bottom path is better from the start, but they used D2A and skipped D2B

so they cant switch now

[fading falcon]

Is bottom really better or do people just say that

I had 0 issue with the top path

[vapid hound]

B route has 6 easier battles and one medium one, A route has five easy battles, one medium one, and B8A which is a bastard

A or B is a difference of like 10-20 FR a run though, it's not huge

[lunar mesa]

I figured if 117/118 was the previous end of content marker that doing prestige a few days after galaxy 5 would let one actually finish it, but maybe the earlier 4 have a point to going back over once? Or maybe base 6 stuff boosts more then just artifact gains

possibly no actual important difference though cause one can max out via other artifact nodes

[gentle talon]

with optimal fleet battling how many total fleet resources do I need to be able to get the last node

[shut kettle]

I was doing it with about 2k FR?

[proud swallow]

about 2000 FR sounds right

[shut kettle]

~2080 FR, looks like.

[wispy moon]

finished up g5 and just got this nice

[fallen leaf]

exactly like I plannned it

[wispy moon]

starting it as soon as finished g4, was sector 110 or so? was in 112 when finished first speedbump with barely enough fleet resources

[sick wolf]

My progress so far. Started at around S106-108, not sure.

Not completed yet and IDC either.