double sniper. both had barrier, didn't get secnod ship imp until mid 20s, first(only) burst at 27, and only base skill (exploit) at 29. Had a rough run, constantly reshuffling layout, used all my rerolls.
#Unstable Transit
fervent turret
double sniper. both had barrier, didn't get secnod ship imp until mid 20s, first...
ah yeah that reminds me, I never got frigate barrier but had base barrier, got frigate improvement very early along with the fighter barriers, got frigate burst to x3 and fighters on first burst upgrade
layout did get tricky a couple times
wondering if rerolling more often would help me more on interim upgrade stuff
dire bison
an all hull/range selection is an automatic reroll, they're useless/nearly useless, so once I get my weapons I don't save them
Both of those upgrades need a redesign, badly π
fleet steppe
Yes
woeful zephyr
I did CL snipe on both too. I guess we didn't get as lucky as groundsel with the rolls
tired blaze
Post 27 or something it's all luck of the draw. If you get missles or unlucky medium gunner it's gg.
tired blaze
Both of those upgrades need a redesign, badly π
I think their design is fine. They only become useless because enemy damage scaling goes out of control. If that was nerfed in the later stages a bit and replaced with more ship scaling think that would be wonderful.
fleet steppe
If I was aware of the poor returns on range I might have had a little more damage but my stage 30 was rough
I took 2 zone upgrades for fire rate
dusk echo
which snipers do you guys use? quick or long range?
woeful zephyr
long range
dire bison
I think their design is fine. They only become useless because enemy damage scal...
Sounds like we are saying the same thing. I think they are worthless because of their design, you think they are worthless because of enemy scaling design.
As an experiment, replace damage or fire rate with HP or range, and see how far you're able to get. For me, the only way I can achieve high scores is ignoring hull, sometimes hitting a breakpoint in range but usually ignoring it, and balancing fire rate / damage.
Some ways that hull could be tweaked: % of current HP instead of base, refilling shields, damage reduction armour, automatic scaling hull, etc
tired blaze
I think it already is 10%
fleet steppe
which snipers do you guys use? quick or long range?
Generally like quick but I got a new PB with snipe so starting to reconsider
dusk echo
Generally like quick but I got a new PB with snipe so starting to reconsider
Same here! But all I've got is a 29 on today's run, so I didn't know if there was a better alternative
wild timber
me when im quick
tired blaze
lol never noticed the icon is wrong
woeful zephyr
The best defense is a good offense
tired blaze
the best offense is a good defense
shell jasper
huh, has tha talways been wrong?
woeful zephyr
Seems so
shell jasper
fnp
fervent turret
an all hull/range selection is an automatic reroll, they're useless/nearly usele...
I feel like 1-2 of those aren't bad
cruiser/HC especially feels like it's a pretty significant difference to have some extra hull, prolongs the time until they get one-shot by quite a ways
fervent turret
huh, has tha talways been wrong?
think it happened when you fiddled with charge lasers last time π€
woeful zephyr
non-snipers can't even get a single shot off cause I kill them before they get in range
make it rain photons
corvettes died at 37, cruisers made it farther
died at 39 (too many snipers)
woeful zephyr
this selection.. π
woeful zephyr
π€
dire bison
cruiser/HC especially feels like it's a pretty significant difference to have so...
I haven't tested - how further can you get taking hp?
I know range depends on the weapon - like, split beams 'only' need 15 ranks to trade shots with a sniper, but close missiles are still 250km, or whatever the range unit is, short of the sniper after 30 ranks. I expect hp to be somewhat less wasteful on the cruiser/HC because of larger initial HP pool, as well as the hull bomb
fervent turret
I haven't tested - how further can you get taking hp?
I know range depends on ...
uhh I did a bunch of hull-heavy runs somewhere north of around here #1335902304959987733 message
or was it here #1335902304959987733 message
nova light
Sounds like we are saying the same thing. I think they are worthless because of ...
reminder that you are only supposed to be able to clear up to stage 10 usually
nova light
I think their design is fine. They only become useless because enemy damage scal...
enemy scaling doubles at stage 10 and every 10 stages after that, you aren't really supposed to go that far
woeful zephyr
What's the highest stage anyone has made it to in simulated and actual runs?
nova light
:)
nova light
What's the highest stage anyone has made it to in simulated and actual runs?
game don't like it once you reach stage 50
actually reached higher before, but before enemy scaling in UT was changed to double every 10 stages instead of just at stage 10
woeful zephyr
actually reached higher before, but before enemy scaling in UT was changed to do...
Oh the stage 49 was in the beta test version? Not the actual released UT?
tired blaze
enemy scaling doubles at stage 10 and every 10 stages after that, you aren't rea...
but going far is the fun part lol
woeful zephyr
Only the beta testers got the fun of going far. π Unless 49 is possible in a released version (without exploiting bugs)
I haven't managed to break 40 yet. And if it's 2x as strong as 39, well that could be a problem.
And that's with simulated mono.
dire bison
woeful zephyr
What settings?
dire bison
woeful zephyr
Oh you didn't even pick no extra ships π€
dire bison
I don't remember what ship weapon, though... I think close missile fighters
woeful zephyr
I made it to 39 with cl snipe cruisers and 37 with close missile fighters. Will have to try missile fighters again
Also why not turn on "no extra ships"?
dire bison
I could be barrage missiles, but I think it was one of the two. Don't believe it was an energy weapon
more kills
woeful zephyr
No extra ships makes it even easier to go farther, right?
For CL snipe it definitely does. Can camp the back row
nova light
Only the beta testers got the fun of going far. π Unless 49 is possible in a re...
no, it'd be impossible to beat stage 49 now
sylv fixed the bugs
dire bison
Don't think it was with NES turned on... this happened quite a while ago, though
woeful zephyr
no, it'd be impossible to beat stage 49 now
Ok, I'm using your own quote against you. Replace timeskipper with beta tester. xD
nova light
Oh the stage 49 was in the beta test version? Not the actual released UT?
it would've been possible to clear like stage 100 at least if it wasn't for the fact that enemies are so beefy it takes more than 30 minutes to clear one stage
nova light
Ok, I'm using your own quote against you. Replace timeskipper with beta tester. ...
to find bugs so you can't use them
π
woeful zephyr
Don't think it was with NES turned on... this happened quite a while ago, though
Ok, I'm going to have to try a fighter run with NES
dire bison
Hold reset when you turn power off or you'll lose your progress
nova light
lol
woeful zephyr
Hold reset when you turn power off or you'll lose your progress
I never even had one of those π
woeful zephyr
did you have one @dire bison ?
dire bison
Yeah. I went from Intellivision/Atari -> NES -> Genesis -> PS4 π
woeful zephyr
Yeah. I went from Intellivision/Atari -> NES -> Genesis -> PS4 π
wow quite a jump at the end there
dire bison
No extra ships makes it even easier to go farther, right?
You were right π
dire bison
I wonder, though, if I should have gotten 2/3 as many damage upgrades and used those as fire rate? All four had 2x damage buff.
woeful zephyr
You were right π
So teleport close ranger fighters are the best for mono? Have you tested the other combinations?
woeful zephyr
I wonder, though, if I should have gotten 2/3 as many damage upgrades and used t...
It's multiplicative, right? Which would mean no, you can just go off the dps numbers on the upgrade selection screens
dire bison
Best? No clue. Had 1 good run with it, but wasn't ideal (good but not perfect spawn bonuses). I haven't played with other combos. Heavy split beam is likely strong, the tele reduces the massive speed penalty. And the DPS counter at the upgrade selection doesn't take spawn bonuses into account, so damage bonuses on 100% of fleet overweighted my upgrades on damage. Would very likely have fared better putting some of those upgrades into fire rate instead.
tired blaze
from my testing that build looks like it's the current strongest.
dire bison
close missile teleport?
tired blaze
ye
tired blaze
No extra ships = to the moon!
wet terrace
π€
and i accidentally clicked finish on one of the early stages where i took damage ;-;
with 5 retries left
could have been my first ever 1st q.q
dire bison
could have been my first ever 1st q.q
cerulean compass
wooo! Took ages to get because... well you guys know. π
only this one to go!
kinda wrong channel, mb!
but I can now officially spend time on UT runs π
woeful zephyr
rank 1 stuck. let's see how I do on today's duo
dire bison
woeful zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/anticipation-rocky-horror-picture-show-rhps-rocky-horror-...
you probably did way better than me
my ranks are symmetric though π
nova light
rough choice
(I'm taking fighter barrier)
excuse me
...back row missiles behind mediums, this mf is actually unkillable
when did these guys have 8 targets
I swear it was 4
empty cargo
weird
nova light
okay so the idea is to avoid missiles like the plague because they suck
and swarmers too
ow
dire bison
you probably did way better than me
I'm on CD, might be able to try in the morning if I wake up early enough before work. Otherwise I'll be at the mercy of Friday traffic, might miss this one.
woeful zephyr
I'm on CD, might be able to try in the morning if I wake up early enough before ...
CD?
cloud hatch
good one today
ashen nebula
Does that mean I will lose the barrier if I pick this?
ashen nebula
Ic thanks
woeful zephyr
lol all these players who disappear for weeks and then pop in for a second. eoc is weird π
fervent turret
nature of the beast
ashen nebula
Their raw value start getting insane at this point lol
Good thing I don't need to actually battle for few days.
woeful zephyr
ok, who has enough ass fuel to do the 4th run of today?
(I don't unfortunately βΉοΈ)
dire bison
CD?
Cool Down
Really stupid choice on stage 29 opponent fleet, should have been able to get to 30 at least, but can only blame myself there.
woeful zephyr
Really stupid choice on stage 29 opponent fleet, should have been able to get to...
Going CL snipe might have screwed me, idk
And favoring the corvettes
dire bison
I tried to keep them kind of even and it worked well, both snipe spec
woeful zephyr
I guess stacking onto one ship type isn't always the best then?
shell jasper
Really stupid choice on stage 29 opponent fleet, should have been able to get to...
man 29th for stage 28? lotta long runs today.
dire bison
I guess stacking onto one ship type isn't always the best then?
Power Stacking half your fleet is one way to look at it. Another way is gimping the other half of the fleet into uselessness
dire bison
man 29th for stage 28? lotta long runs today.
Lexi got 31 π
I think I could have gotten TO 30, but not sure if I could have cleared it. I didn't have any spawn bonuses at all, by the time we're in the late 20s, those are make/break items most of the time
cloud hatch
i went cl snipe on both, but priority on the corvettes. fighters had a barrier, base had rapid fire, corvettes had fleet rapid fire. only got a single grid buff
woeful zephyr
Fleet rapid fire, wow
That's lucky
My "Best Stage Cleared" is still 30
Though I think that actually means 29 cleared
cloud hatch
actually might have been explotation field on the base instead of rapid fire? i did 3 all back to back and had both of those base things show up in a run
and yeah same boat, not enough fuel to do the more choices/duo run
dire bison
Yeah it does, I submitted a bug reported about it
shell jasper
Though I think that actually means 29 cleared
oh right theres a bug with that somewhere I think?
shell jasper
so clear 31 -> both those show +1?
cloud hatch
mmhmm, my previous best was 27 or something
woeful zephyr
Wow big jump
bitter umbra
Their raw value start getting insane at this point lol
weirdly never seen anyone fully surround an enemy
cloud hatch
yeah today's run was the dream...though it probably helps that i fully committed to the cl snipe ways, before i was all in on barrage missiles
dire bison
I'm curious about vette barrage w/ telefighter close missiles
dire bison
I don't get lag
woeful zephyr
if you pick no extra ships it doesn't, and you get farther π
cloud hatch
ahh but where's the fun of that, having a jillion missiles on screen is a blast, even if i'm only getting 4fps
woeful zephyr
weirdly never seen anyone fully surround an enemy
ok, how it possible to surround the enemy like that?
shell jasper
ahh but where's the fun of that, having a jillion missiles on screen is a blast,...
That's a lot lol
cloud hatch
yeah the sim is pretty great for that sort of thing
ashen nebula
ok, how it possible to surround the enemy like that?
My guess is since I had only small ships, my wings went after other small ships first before coming back for the med.
what I observed in UT is med ships target med first and small target small first unless the other is really close.
pastel crescent
Hard, Duo, Balance on my first ever UT... Not sure if this is bad or not
obsidian glade
It sounds rough lol
pastel crescent
Anything I should take care of when chosing mods / enemies?
obsidian glade
Just do what this guy did
pastel crescent
I'm only on z95 π
obsidian glade
Oh oops lmao
pastel crescent
And is there some sort of priority order for the buff for artifacts?
Currently have Fighter Efficiency, Synth and Mastery as a choice
obsidian glade
Honestly I just spread them out semi-equally, with a little more focus on synth, mastery & c battle
But they have super quickly diminishing returns
pastel crescent
Okay
I understood it correctly I auto-gain one instability per day, regardless if I spend FR in galaxies?
Spending FR in UT is just to speed it up right?
fervent turret
I've been going hard into synth
others have been going hard into cap/fighter stats to eke into 135
obsidian glade
I understood it correctly I auto-gain one instability per day, regardless if I s...
Correct yeah
You can spend fuel to skip this wait time and immediately get the instability
But that's not worth doing while you still have galaxy content to do
pastel crescent
Yeah I figured
Is simulation and real fight the same regarding which upgrades and enemies I will get?
fervent turret
I mean... insofar as the chosen modifiers work
pastel crescent
Okay for example, if those pop up in sim after the first stage, will those exact three also pop up on the real fight after stage 1?
obsidian glade
I'm not sure but I think so yeah, keep in mind that every run you do on a day will have a new seed, and simulation counts runs separately from normal
But I think it should mirror it
pastel crescent
Gotcha. Well, I'll figure it out I guess π
Is there better or worse upgrade I should always pick / not pick?
fervent turret
usually the focus is on damage and fire rate with some range maybe? barriers are everything
cruiser/heavy cruisers, you can sometimes do silly things with hull bombing
but really not viable to pull off outside mono/duo
obsidian glade
Teleporting fighters can be a lot of fun
Hull upgrades get quickly outscaled by enemy damage so aren't really worth it
pastel crescent
Gotcha. Well, I'll figure it out I guess π
Okay sim runs also differ each time. Had no armored enemies this time on stage 2
pastel crescent
okay note to self... Look closer at the enemies. Shielded Shotguns just completly obliterated my ships xD
pastel crescent
Could've been worse in my first run
Just doing some sims for the secret achievements.. Jumping close range burst fighters are fun as hell xD
drifting hinge
im still in #1 im assuming this is a conspiracy out of pity
pastel crescent
How are y'all treating banked stages? Use them if too lazy or the modifiers are too iffy?
obsidian glade
How are y'all treating banked stages? Use them if too lazy or the modifiers are ...
Yeah exactly that lol
pastel crescent
Okay so I should keep them banked for today if I have none modifieres XD
river flax
I use them at every opportunity unless the modifiers are good
autumn fossil
UT is unfun. i just use banked 7s most of the time
i say while burning off the 26 i banked last duo
woeful zephyr
How are y'all treating banked stages? Use them if too lazy or the modifiers are ...
I use them if I wake up, play USI for like 2 min, and go back to bed and really need whatever bonus the UT will give me
otherwise manual run, lol π
I guess if I REALLY don't want to do a manual run like I'm tired or something I'll use it too
fleet steppe
How are y'all treating banked stages? Use them if too lazy or the modifiers are ...
Once I use a banked stage after 10 I hope there's a good mod set in the next few days
woeful zephyr
this is some incredible level of stacking
fighters have CL, HC has 1 damage, and cruiser has nothing
oh and that's fleet double tap, not regular double tap
dire bison
How are y'all treating banked stages? Use them if too lazy or the modifiers are ...
Use until 15 or so, then start looking for decent modifier runs to refill. Take whatever is up if it's that vs a banked 9.
pastel crescent
I banked 18 on my first run (still on the first UT)
Not sure if it get's more expensive later but right now it only costs 2 to just take the artifacts
dire bison
2 per until 11, then 1 to bring you to 10, then 1 to bring you to 9, 8,7. Can't go below 7.
So if you have 13, you go to 11, then 10. If you have 12, you go to 10.
For modifiers: Fewer choices is bad; Balance without Duo is bad; Duo without anything else is good; Hard is bad, Duo is good, Balance WITH DUO is neutral-good; None is neutral.
recommend playing in the sim and getting a feel for it, ships behave somewhat differently than in galaxies.
woeful zephyr
You were right π
damn you must have been very lucky to get 3 double tile boosts
autumn fossil
tile boosts on no extra ships feels like it can only work if you've got a teleporting fleet
woeful zephyr
tile boosts on no extra ships feels like it can only work if you've got a telepo...
It was a teleporting fleet
autumn fossil
yes, that's the point
i don't think a layout like this could possible work without fighters
woeful zephyr
Yeah. Even with teleport the layout matters. The fleet can be split, which happens more often if all the ships don't start from one side of the screen. And also the initial pull before the teleport can affect the outcome it seems
dire bison
My games seem to have a glut of spawn bonuses or none at all. I definitely got lucky there, turned down a lot of singles or health/barrier/etc. I'm still on the fence with the one that slows the ship, even with teleport that's a really harsh penalty.
woeful zephyr
The 5x damage etc one?
dire bison
nod
woeful zephyr
That one seems amazing for close range teleport fighters
Worked amazingly well for me
Also I suspect damage is better than fire rate
Which makes it even better
Maybe not as good as a double bonus though
dire bison
I'd want a backup spawn bonus for it. It's easy to get stranded and picked off.
woeful zephyr
If you can get the fighters to all teleport to one spot the speed nerf is irrelevant
dire bison
maybe. Remember - in war, the enemy gets a vote too.
So how they setup plays a huge part
woeful zephyr
Getting all the tiles on one side seems to help keep the fleet together, most of the time
Like all rows 4 & 5 or all 1 & 2
woeful zephyr
does 2x health double hull bomb damage?
would be nice to choose which specific ships to have for simulated
obsidian glade
Yes please
nova light
does 2x health double hull bomb damage?
yes, but not the armor from armor tank (which is normally 1% of hull)
fleet steppe
hmm I don't remember Tank Cruiser getting a fire rate increase, is it Heavy Cruiser exclusive or am I just not remembering
nova light
I'm pretty sure they always have
empty cargo
nice
shell jasper
do you not want your extra 000000000000000000000001 tick rate?
tired blaze
No, kill it with fire π
nova light
lmao
dire bison
does 2x health double hull bomb damage?
I tried a hull bomb build (or whatever the HC version was called) a few times. Hilarious, but not super effective for getting into high levels. I definitely recommend it.
Don't pick weapons that slow move speed, though, for whichever one had the limited range (I think that was HC)
woeful zephyr
I tried a hull bomb build (or whatever the HC version was called) a few times. H...
Yeah I think I got to a max of line 38 with it. Not bad but not the best. And CL snipe ended up doing most of the heavy lifting in the end.
dire bison
Doubt I got that far, think mine were before the latest balance pass on weapons.
a reduced effectiveness from weapon damage/speed upgrades would help that remain relevant longer. Damage upgrades increase the % of HP it's based on, Hull upgrades increase the HP pool, weapon fire rate decrease the CD on it. But they'd have to be minor tweaks or it'd be way overpowered.
dire bison
Fun, but not impressive. I'm not convinced that damage was being applied properly, many times it would go off and a smallish ship, like a sniper or generic 'enemy', would be hit by most/all of my fleet and only have half hp knocked off. Dunno if it's a range issue (45 degree rotated square vs a circle to range changes things), shared damage amoung all targets, max targets hit, max number of dispersions hitting 1 target, or what. But it really felt off. Used close missiles to increase speed to get close enough for it to hit the 1k missile and 1.2k sniper enemies. Certainly an amusing diversion, though π
Also, when only picking hull or rares for the upgrades, you burn through rerolls FAST. Disadvantage I didn't predict compared to standard 2pick strats.
tired blaze
Made it to 41 with fighter beam build. Making it further requires very lucky enemy layouts.
nova light
Fun, but not impressive. I'm not convinced that damage was being applied properl...
1.5% of your max hull is really not a lot
tired blaze
Finally reached stage 45! I'm confident this is the limit of what's possible in the current version UT.
nova light
that's... yeah probably
empty cargo
strategy
fervent turret
none of the layouts I tried got even close
normal run ended, only stage 14
that's stupid
the one before it was bogus too but I didn't think to screenie it, just take one on the chin, eked out a -50 base health at the very end
bunch of fighters up front, couple snipers mid, fat medium in back
nova light
wtf is this layout
okay that is a flat out diabolical layout, swarmers and fighters in front, snipers and missiles in back, couple of shotguns and gatlings to screw with you too
obsidian glade
that's why you always take teleporting fighters
river flax
that's stupid
Just take the stage 14 completion and run with it
You don't need to hit 20 every time, as long as you're hitting 10
bitter umbra
donount
woeful zephyr
do no 
river flax
Ayyy
cloud hatch
there was a duo/more choices as the 2nd UT today, got a 32 clear
woeful zephyr
interesting strategy there, aliens.. π€
pastel crescent
Suggestions?
autumn fossil
missile uber alles
pastel crescent
on corvette or cruiser?
pastel crescent
Corvette 1 barrier 2 dmg, cruiser 1 barrier 3 dmg
fighter 1 range 1 hull
Can't remember frigatte rn
it's no extra ships mods
autumn fossil
cruiser. not just because it's got more upgrades, but also because it's nice to have the bonus shield damage on the corvette in case you need it
yea, today's UT is more choices, no extra ships
very strong combo
can get mid 20s
pastel crescent
Good to know, I'll see. stage 11 right now
Burst Fire for Corvette or Fighter?
Tending to Corvette cause they live longer
autumn fossil
tbh i just hate corv in general. in a lot of ways it's just a worse fighter in the later stages
early on it's better
pastel crescent
think it was yesterday where I had sniper corvettes. was pretty neat
autumn fossil
barrier on fighters is goated. when everything dies in one hit, having nine bodies that take two hits each to drop is so nice
yea, charge laser or missile are the two weapons i will reroll for
but not together
pastel crescent
Took it on Fighters now just to get Rapid Fire ability on Corv right after xD
Ah great, fighter barrier gotten
Now I just need the teleport xD
pastel crescent
Close range or or barrage missile launcher better on cruisers?
pastel crescent
Got it π
Oh god.. Forced to either take charge laser or mini rail gun on fighters. Well, rail gun it is
autumn fossil
can't reroll?
pastel crescent
Barrier tele fighters would be bad on charge I'd assume
woeful zephyr
Suggestions?
reroll
woeful zephyr
above the options
autumn fossil
should eb above the options
autumn fossil
kek
woeful zephyr
it's gone..
autumn fossil
huh, maybe
i sure hope you're only spending your free instabilities and not spending fuel on UT before getting g6 ;p
pastel crescent
only free yeah xD
Okay stage 22 seems to be my end now
@woeful zephyr @autumn fossil here we go π
nova light
'tis but a scratch
terse night
huh. Heavy split beam laser doesn't work on the heavy cruiser with the armor upgrade. Good to know
fervent turret
this is lousy
"more mods more options" and I'm getting boned this early?
very fun
if you don't get early barriers you might as well just give up
dire bison
Not a fan of the beam weapons on cruiser/heavy cruiser. Takes 15 range upgrades to trade shots with a sniper for split beam, and 25 for the rapid beam. And the speed penalty on split (don't think it's on rapid) means you're dead long before you get into firing range without those upgrades. MAYBE on a duo setup I can make it work, but even then, that's a crapton of damage I'm giving up.
Usually grab either snipe CL or barrage ML on a 4 ship fleet. Though I should give vers railgun some more runs to see how it's holding up since latest balance pass.
Went heavy on (3)corvette and (4)fighters. No specials were avail other than hull bomb (I chose ship imp instead), no spawn bonus, CL snipe. Got barrier on fighters in late teens, that helped a ton. Missile enemies and swarms were my downfall.
fervent turret
enemy missile range just continues to be so oppressive
dire bison
We need to get a contract with their supplier
fervent turret
it makes so much positioning just feel useless
you can't do anything to avoid them, you just have to outrange them and outbarrier them
dire bison
vettes and frigates (I forget about fighters) prioritize them over enemy mediums, so sometimes we can make something of that π€·
fervent turret
if they were more like the shotgun enemies then I feel like tactics of positioning would matter more
it's just pointless trying to keep fighters/corvettes away from them - honestly I think the fact that CL snipe slows your fighters/vettes so much is part of why it feels good at the moment
it keeps them out of the ML fire for long enough to do something
dire bison
Agreed. Range is so very important when 1-4 shots kill almost any ship
nova light
also when enemy missiles shoot 8 at once for some bs reason
they can wipe almost an entire fighter squad pretty much
terse night
Gotta wipe out our fighters in almost 1 shot after all
I get that missiles are supposed to be anti-fighter. However, they're anti-everything
nova light
that's pretty much what you get when fighters are the best ship
woeful zephyr
π
empty cargo
ount
fervent turret
ount
I'm waiting until you catch yourself saying this out loud in response to something IRL and having no way of explaining casually
empty cargo
i dont speak english irl
obsidian glade
ount transcends languages
empty cargo
i dont talk much irl either
woeful zephyr
woeful zephyr
i dont speak english irl
what do you speak irl?
empty cargo
chinese
nova light
shock
woeful zephyr
ryan is chinese? π€
nova light
news
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nova light
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woeful zephyr
now I have to figure out how to say it in minibosstank's language π
empty cargo
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nova light
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nova light
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obsidian glade
what in the world happened in this channel
uh I mean
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woeful zephyr
obsidian glade
#1424634970864877730 containment has failed
woeful zephyr
verrΓΌcktheit
woeful zephyr
<#1424634970864877730> containment has failed
was that meant to be containment?
obsidian glade
I assumed so
woeful zephyr
would I ever make a channel to contain anything? π
obsidian glade
-# Well you didn't make a channel you made a thread π€βοΈ
woeful zephyr
who can make channels anyway?
woeful zephyr
Du kannst das nicht?
obsidian glade
Nein kann ich nicht
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woeful zephyr
that should be reactor 3.0
obsidian glade
Minecraft font
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i dont have the font
obsidian glade
just pixel it yourself :D
woeful zephyr
pull a dargonite
obsidian glade
graphic design is my passion
woeful zephyr
ok, that could be misinterpreted π€
obsidian glade
woeful zephyr
needs more comic sans
obsidian glade
woeful zephyr
perfect font for coding in
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ount
woeful zephyr
Also I want my ligatures
what do you use those for?
obsidian glade
combining things like !=, ==, ->, etc into single symbols
It's amazing imo
Makes things look really clean and easier to parse for me
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average day in #1335902304959987733
obsidian glade
oops
woeful zephyr
wait is Melina using comic sans for her discord font?
obsidian glade
Thats not comic sans
Thats one of those wannabe comic sans that you have on various phones (samsung loves them for some reason)
woeful zephyr
average day in <#1335902304959987733>
#unstable-topic
obsidian glade
Theyre nowhere near the same level
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the containment field for ount failed
woeful zephyr
well that explains a lot from Melina XD
imagine interacting with discord through that lol
obsidian glade
Oh there's much much worse
woeful zephyr
like the whitespace fonts?
nova light
oh god
wet terrace
yipee. got my first rank 1 position on a day π¦¦
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I'm waiting until you catch yourself saying this out loud in response to somethi...
so uh
i was coding and this happened
nova light
so uh
i was coding and this happened
count
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out
nova light
ou||n||t
autumn fossil
so uh
i was coding and this happened
eww java
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π
woeful zephyr
π
fervent turret
1-2 of those early on isn't bad for cruiser/heavy cruiser
nova light
it's bad
nova light
tch, every time it's the damned back row missiles that get me
still had like 4 rerolls I could've used to find an enemy layout without missiles...
cloud hatch
new highest, today was real nice
nova light
ye, duo corvette and fighter
cloud hatch
4x slot buffs (2 damage 2 fire rate) ship improvement on both, fleet barrage on base, 2x burst, rapid fire on vette, barrier on fighter, 7 vettes, 8 fighters, cl snipe on both
nova light
I got exploitation field instead of fleet barrage
no burst fire except for the last (mistake, because it had missile enemies)
only slot buffs I got were the sniper one and a 2x firerate one
cloud hatch
ah yeah i saw that sniper one but it was in A, figured whatever's there is just gonna die first without firing a shot
nova light
I got a sniper one in C, combo is actually pretty good with rapid beam fighters
dire bison
Need to keep an eye out for that, never tried it before
nova light
Need to keep an eye out for that, never tried it before
since beams aren't particularly affected by the firerate debuff, the dps increase is generally a lot higher than any other weapon
dire bison
it'd reduce tick (tic?) rate, though?
nova light
I'm pretty sure it don't?
dire bison
Since attack speed buff increases it
nova light
firerate buff was hardcoded to increase tick rate so it's not useless on beam, but the debuff doesn't decrease tickrate
dire bison
Nice π
woeful zephyr
interesting choice aliens π€ (I was supposed to be the one going all snipers)
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missiles imposter
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missile 1 and missile 2
cloud hatch
today's gonna be interesting
nova light
dang
river flax
CL is fun in Duo
Fun fun fun
Still going strong, just gotta avoid Missiles
RIP, stage 27
My best one ever
DAMN
nova light
today's gonna be interesting
very exciting run today
river flax
Grats
nova light
the scaling with Hard modifier is rough
cloud hatch
i got greedy and picked a 2x damage/health slot buff, but it had a missile enemy π
woeful zephyr
ran into shitty enemy layouts the past several days
nova light
some fights were very rough, used all of my retries on stage 24 I think and barely managed to scrape out a 0 damage clear
everything else had 2-3 mediums roll up to the base and obliterate it
cloud hatch
well this probably won't stick...but good run
river flax
Grats
cloud hatch
nice one for today
nova light
more choice + duo is a very attractive combo
lusty umbra
Is it reasonable to assume I'd able to reach lv10 every day whatever set server gives?
nova light
if you're good then you should be able to get there consistently
however you are also supposed to occasionally get shanked
fervent turret
didn't think I was doing this well
honestly just gave up cause it didn't feel like positioning was going to get me over the hump anymore lol
nova light
ooh, cool run, I should try it
dire bison
I played around with the sniper buff split beam in sims, btw. The lag before beginning to fire was rough, esp when combined with speed penalty. The range was awesome, though. I didn't take teleport buffs on the runs. Not sure I like it overall, the penalties are pretty harsh, even if it looks like an overall buff.
nova light
mono ez
lusty umbra
Does mono actually happen in real run?
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Does mono actually happen in real run?
mono, no choice, fragile never appear in standard
nova light
also extreme
dire bison
Fun matchup, don't think I've ever ran frigate/vette before π
Don't hold back from using your rerolls in the beginning, lot of hull/range garbage flooding you. Behind them were good upgrades though - early 2x damage/attack speed spawn bonus really helped out in B2.
woeful zephyr
Fun matchup, don't think I've ever ran frigate/vette before π
Both CL snipe?
nova light
bah, why do I never find good spawn bonuses
dire bison
yes
woeful zephyr
Don't hold back from using your rerolls in the beginning, lot of hull/range garb...
wow this is cutting it close.. I keep hitting 0 rerolls, but it's working unexpectedly well..
stage 12, 0 rerolls AGAIN but I got my double CL snipe..
and it flopped.. π
π€
I should have picked a better enemy ship selection for stage 30 π
woeful zephyr
π€
dire bison
Yeah, it was close. But I wouldn't mislead
nova light
ah fuck I might've cucked myself with this enemy choice
yep I died
armored swarmers shielding a missile when you got cl snipe going on is insta gg
best I could do was kill one missile and bring the other to 20% hp before it deleted my entire fleet in one volley
still had one reroll left so I could've saved myself
I should pay more attention to the enemies listed at higher stages
dire bison
It helps, but also makes a huge difference where on the map they spawn, not just what spawns.
nova light
at least I kept rank 1 from a couple of days ago π
nova light
It helps, but also makes a huge difference where on the map they spawn, not just...
I'm sure you agree I got a very unlucky spawn
dire bison
yup
nova light
honestly missiles in the back row would be easier because you outrange them ez with cl snipe
dire bison
Might get lucky with 2x attack speed spawn bonus directly across from them, affects first fire
nova light
couldn't do it, missiles eat like 3 CL shots and the swarmers get in front before they can be finished
dire bison
Both otherwise, having in the back, give me time to clear the skirmishers (hopefully) is the best chance
I got killed by mediums (whatever they are called). I got all the smalls, but just couldn't muster enough dps to clear it no matter how I set up
woeful zephyr
shitty enemy layouts even earlier are even worse. results in horrible ranks
pastel crescent
Okay with todays modifiers, what should I aim for? It's my first z69 run
dire bison
like what upgrades or what ships to face?
nova light
this is a very exciting set of options so it's different to how you would normally face runs
Duo, no extra ships, and balance all drastically change how you approach it
dire bison
I like barrage missile, versatile minirailgun (whatever), and sniper charge laser the best. I used sniper on this but had to really lean into rerolls to get it. Don't mix beam with kinetic.
Focus on weapon damage and attack speed. Keep your ship types roughly balanced, and your upgrades for that ship type roughly balanced as well. "Ship Improvement" is a priority. Base upgrades (imo): Enemy debuff (whatever) > barrage >= shield. Burst 2 is huge upgrade, burst 3 is noticable, burst 4 is downgrade. Both frigate and vette specific upgrades are priority, really strong burst and fire fast (whatever).
Enemies - Bad: skirmishers (in early levels), missiles (always), snipers (if you don't have CL snipe). Good: normal, bulwark, sniper (if you DO have CL snipe). Rest fit somewhere in between.
Bad upgrades: hull, range (until you get experienced enough to know when it is good), 2x health spawn, 5x damage and all the other crap spawn, teleport spawn, barrier spawn (not bad, just meh - and takes up a spot that could be good).
nova light
exploitation field and rapid fire
dire bison
yeah them
nova light
barrier projection can be broken sometimes
dire bison
barrier projection vs massed bulwarks = advance to next level
nova light
if you have a lot of fighters you can make a lot of them survive way too long
main problem is that it doesn't help with the deadliest enemies: missiles and skirmishers
dire bison
rock paper scissor lizard spock
nova light
I like barrage missile, versatile minirailgun (whatever), and sniper charge lase...
skirmishers are bad in the late levels too because enemy scaling is hard enough that even they can one-shot your ships, and there are a lot of them
plus they get to tank entirely too many shots
autumn fossil
I like barrage missile, versatile minirailgun (whatever), and sniper charge lase...
another counter to snipers is tele fighters
dire bison
true, and it depends a LOT on what ship type you have. cruisers ignore them and die in the early to mid 20s.
nova light
another counter to snipers is tele fighters
teleport in general is a counter to snipers
unless you have cruisers
then you just die
dire bison
agreed, but it's a duo frigate/vette run
nova light
exciting
autumn fossil
duo frig/vette is nice because you can both of the good fleet upgrades
but that's only at later levels
dire bison
I got the singles, and they helped a ton π
pastel crescent
I like barrage missile, versatile minirailgun (whatever), and sniper charge lase...
amazing, thank you! after my first reroll I have the option between frigate ship improvement and grid slot buff for 2x dmg/fire rate now
Just asking because I don't see grid slot buff in your explanation
dire bison
that grid buff is the best one avail
I picked it over ship improvement, and later on got SI anyway
But it was a tough choice, since it limits positioning and B rank isn't my favourite
dire bison
Both good options (imo) but I had a reroll here that let me grab CL, which I did.
pastel crescent
Think I'll reroll too (my last one for now). Too much skirmisher on left and mid, sniper and shielded shotgun sounds bad on right
With Corvette on CL it's best to give Frigate the Missile launcher, right?
dire bison
no, don't mix energy and kinetic
pastel crescent
Have mini rail and beam laser as the other two options
dire bison
no more rerolls?
pastel crescent
one more
dire bison
I'd take beam over ML/MR. But unless you used more in between weapon selections than I did you should have enough rerolls to get snipe x2
pastel crescent
no, don't mix energy and kinetic
with that you mean either both on x2 on armor OR x2 on shield, right?
pastel crescent
I'd take beam over ML/MR. But unless you used more in between weapon selections ...
hah, hit CL with my reroll xD
dire bison
Kinetic/energy affect enemy fleets. If you only have one or the other, all but one enemy ship will either be vulnerable or neutral. But if you mix, enemies can be any mix of armor/normal/shield.
So ML with MR, and Beam with CL.
pastel crescent
Oh wow didn't know that, that explains why some of my runs felt really bad. Always tried to keep it balanced
dire bison
base ship weapons also have a shield/armor bias, so that another potential disadvantage to 4 ship fleets - it can take a long time to get the enemy fleet focused.
nova light
Kinetic/energy affect enemy fleets. If you only have one or the other, all but o...
more specifically, enemies are only allowed to have (your number of counters) +1, so if you have 0 kinetics, they are allowed 1 armor, or if you have say 3 lasers, they are allowed 4 shields
pastel crescent
Damn, the medium shielded is my bane. One always comes through. Tried to flip corv and frig already but was even worse
dire bison
oh! Thanks, didn't know that specific - that'll help with planning
pastel crescent
It get's ignored as long the other ships are alive
pastel crescent
24
dire bison
try either fully stacking, or evenly splitting your fleet.
The two south frigates are in trouble.
pastel crescent
Have one more attempt xD
dire bison
glhf
pastel crescent
nah didn't work
Well, 24 is more than I expected xD
One last thing I didn't quite get until now. Banked Stages drop down by 2 (>10) and by 1 (<10) everytime I spend an instability. It won't ever go below 7
Why do I want to make runs by myself then?
Is there an artifact difference?
nova light
Is there an artifact difference?
artifacts scale linearly per stage cleared up to stage 10
you want banked to be at 10 at the minimum
dire bison
Scale by 2 when at stage 12 or higher, 1 at 11 or lower.
pastel crescent
Could've sworn it always was the maximum amount
fervent turret
y'know... I feel like this tooltip would be a lot more honest if it read out the sum total of shots per second from both ships as the 'fire rate'
on the face that looks like a fire rate increase, but in reality that's going from 2.88 shots a second to 1.872
which also makes me question how honest the DPS thing is being
dire bison
Have you made a good build using those? I tried a few times in the beginning, but found it pretty underwhelming. The DR just couldn't keep up
And I agree 100% on the total DPS vs individual ship DPS. Think it should have both. Would help when deciding cross ship upgrades too. Do I get the damage increase for vette vs frigate, for instance
fervent turret
no, has never worked out
even the hull bombing meme in simulation did better with dual
I also think mini rail gun should get replaced with gatling laser or something, it's too underwhelming
the armor/shield gimmick just does not matter
dire bison
vers MRG used to be king. It's still solid, but I think BML and SCL are both strictly better.
I imagine we'll have a new metagame in a few weeks, though.
river flax
on the face that looks like a fire rate increase, but in reality that's going fr...
The fire rate is per shot?
This isn't "dishonest" (not talking about the DPS thing)
river flax
I didn't misread it
I read it
I would disagree, this is far more accurate and intutive
fervent turret
how
river flax
Because the fire rate is defined as "the amount of shots per second on one ship"
fervent turret
the indicated stat change is an "increase", and it isn't
river flax
I don't want fighter's fire rate to display as 9 or whatever
It is
It increases the fire rate of one ship
fervent turret
obviously
river flax
Then it's an increase to the fire rate of one ship. The DPS is not "for the squad" it's "per ship"
Everything is "per ship"
fervent turret
now you're getting there
river flax
Changing it in this instance is inconsistent and unintuitive
fervent turret
having it be per ship is what I think is unintuitive, hence me saying something
river flax
I don't want fighter's fire rate to display as 9 or whatever
Actually cringe
But whatever
I don't want to have to divide all the stats by number of ships
That's insane
The way it is right now is the most correct it can possibly be, and if it were your way, we would have screeched at Sylv to change it
fervent turret
as opposed to multiplying the stats by the number of ships ????
river flax
If you want to do that, you can?
But yes
The current "value per ship" that is obvious is the best way
You're free to have your opinion, but your opinions on UT have consistently gone against Sylv's vision in the name of "fun"
fervent turret
except it isn't obvious at face value
river flax
So I digress
fervent turret
You're free to have your opinion, but your opinions on UT have consistently gone...
nah, this is crossing a line for me; you are consistently incredibly annoying to talk with, the way you express things constantly gets on my nerves, and resorting to speaking for Sylv like you own the vision of the game is unreasonable
so I'm done with that
river flax
I never spoke for him in this convo though?
And sure, you can find me annoying, whatever, IDC
Lots of people do, doesn't change the way I talk, you're free to have your opinion
river flax
On the topic of UT:
Damn, almost everything lol
nova light
damn
dire bison
waiting for g7 to introduce armored/shielded missile/bulwark enemies π
river flax
Well well well
nova light
suggested armor tank bulwark enemies
wild timber
imo dps should be per unit instead of per turret (it's not per ship, compare cruiser vs. heavy cruiser), but every other parameter should remain as per turret
wild timber
group of ships
woeful zephyr
a.k.a. a fleet
wild timber
nova light
1111 cool
shell jasper
ay big amount too noice
dire shadow
Does Barrier stack? As in the ship upgrade plus the grid slot upgrade. Do you get two, or is it the same thing so pointless to put a barried ship into that slot?
pastel crescent
why are my cruisers also teleporting despite only my fighters have the ability?
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why are my cruisers also teleporting despite only my fighters have the ability?
your fighters have "fleet teleport"(very rare) not "fighter teleport"(rare)
nova light
Does Barrier stack? As in the ship upgrade plus the grid slot upgrade. Do you ge...
you get two, although if an enemy fires 2 shots both go down at once so it's only sometimes useful compared to the first barrier
empty cargo
its weird
dire shadow
you get two, although if an enemy fires 2 shots both go down at once so it's onl...
ta
nova light
oi oi some good looking mods today eh
fighter and heavy cruiser, eh, this'll be interesting
pastel bramble
Made it to 23 with that fighter+heavy cruiser. Furhest I've ever made it.
wild timber
where no extra ships
azure fulcrum
the rare "wait no i want both of those" pull
at this point i think the thing i want most is burst fire--oh hello burst fire. Sadly its on my fighter and i really want it on my heavy cruiser for more missile targets but that is very nice too
very rude to not let me have both abilities
nova light
very rude to not let me have both abilities
one ability slot only :)
hmmm.... it may have been possible to clear stage 31
I spent the rest of my rerolls trying to greed a slightly better enemy composition but failed, everything that remained had swarmers and missiles which are instant gg at this level
nova light
very rude to not let me have both abilities
damn, I didn't get any very rare abilities...
fleet steppe
this really doesn't feel like the same rarity as other rares
wild timber
single cruiser should have a bigger multiplier to fire rate instead of damage tbh
fleet steppe
reaching stage 30 is quite nice
I opted to focus stats on heavy cruisers since it was a duo run, and I'd be stuck picking them for half my fleet
I don't regret my decision, but I don't remember the last time I had a duo run go this late with a medium ship
The high enemy fleet deploy often stuck me with opposing armored mediums which are nearly as bad (or maybe worse tbh) than Bulwarks
magic lake
That's it for me, pretty fun run and enough stages saved up to take it easy for a few days
tired blaze
reaching stage 30 is quite nice
that's a super lucky run. Barrier on both and 7 slots, and I got none lol
shell jasper
single cruiser should have a bigger multiplier to fire rate instead of damage tb...
is it terrible as is and needs this buff or just a nicety
wild timber
i think it's generally worse than generic damage/fire rate upgrades
it's too risky because you expose yourself to swarmers
for a very small gain, and the cruisers still disintegrate to mediums so they're worse at fighting those too (less screening)
shell jasper
fire rate it is
fleet steppe
Yeah tank cruisers are a hard never pick for me in UT
I don't know if there's room for it but if the tank could have different targets for each turret that also might be a nice feature to help draw aggro
tired blaze
If it had a teleport with brief damage reduction upgrade, that would be kinda cool. Whatever can be done to make it actually tanky in later stages, and not get oneshot lol
nova light
tank cruisers are really good in galaxies because yeah
nova light
is it terrible as is and needs this buff or just a nicety
in UT they suck because tanking in UT via conventional methods is straight up impossible
enemy stats super outscale you
tired blaze
barrier fighters are the true MVP tanks
nova light
reaching stage 30 is quite nice
most everybody ran with double charge laser, huh
I ran with snipe charge laser on heavy cruiser and rapid beam fighters
tired blaze
I did that too, but got outnumbered. Also got unlucky with no slot upgrades.
nova light
it's surprisingly not that bad, and more effective on swarmers than pure charge laser is
after stage 30 you have to get lucky and be real good with positioning and such
woeful zephyr
I think this is the first time I actually cleared 30
fleet steppe
I'm still not sold on beam lasers
It's better than anti armor weapons if you're forced to pick but in 20+ stages I don't have a lot of confidence that they can noticably contribute to skirmisher kills
I could give beam lasers main dps a try
nova light
well, I'm not sure how good they are compared to charge lasers, but I dislike charge laser fighters so beam does pretty well
wild timber
beams are slightly better at killing swarmers than default weapons on cruisers (because they have enough damage to 1-3 tick swarms) baseline, and then rapid beam is comparable to missiles
stonk
wild timber
enemy stats super outscale you
it's pretty sad that damage block does nothing even against swarmers/missiles
nova light
stonk
strronk
no extra ships is like having more mods
and balance isn't really bad on DUO
woeful zephyr
not bad, 2 record breaking runs in a row
storm bay
not sure if that's gonna hold but dang
dire bison
Don't think I've seen anyone ever post higher, nice run
nova light
I'm pretty sure I've cucked myself at stage 30
wasn't paying attention to enemy composition and now I have to fight 3 missiles...
sad, because I got like 10 rerolls left lmao
woeful zephyr
I guess stages 30 and higher will just be hard even under ideal circumstances. And if you get the wrong enemy layout it could be impossible.
Maybe it's possible to roll an easy layout for 30+, idk
fervent turret
sad, because I got like 10 rerolls left lmao
I do this constantly
on this one with no extra ships I was amazed that missiles will one-shot a barrier HC
at around 30-32
couldn't come up with a formation that might maybe let me get by
wild timber
exponential stage scaling moment
nova light
Maybe it's possible to roll an easy layout for 30+, idk
definitely is
if you get like 4 shotguns and one medium it's super ez
woeful zephyr
getting a back row upgrade before even seeing the back row
storm bay
Is it there on that fight?
nova light
getting a back row upgrade before even seeing the back row
I mean, it appears on stage 11 so it's technically in the background
woeful zephyr
Is it there on that fight?
it appeared in the right place after I picked it if that's what you mean
woeful zephyr
Was wondering if it gave that before the fights had a 3rd column
looks like it adds the 3rd column in the background after you win stage 10, but doesn't show you it until after you've picked upgrades
ashen nebula
I think the UI could use a "hide" or "info" button so we could check the board before getting the upgrade.
fervent turret
nova light
erm, that block % still looks like 1%
wild timber
meanwhile in g7
hey @shell jasper is armor block also broken in g7? i don't know what the value was meant to be before
if ut is unchanged
and g7 is 2%
it makes me thonking
shell jasper
ya, the whole ugprade is on wrong ship
wild timber
ohhh
ok so it's not only killing twice as fast but it's taking like half damage normally too from these difficulty 1 normal enemies
damn
wild timber
orly
nova light
ya, the whole ugprade is on wrong ship
seems like it's only on normal fleet cruisers and not UT lmao
wild timber
wtf
fervent turret
quick little soft limit test - the damage block seems to work pretty well against smaller fry now? but the rate of fire thing, doesn't feel too different
field exploitation on the base
shell jasper
are you on 71.0.1?
fervent turret
oh, nope
fervent turret
huh, was this supposed to happen after updating to hotfix?
that does look different now don't it
alright think soft limit for this run is here - probably because I tried versatile railgun instead of the charge laser again?
gonna give it a couple goes with duo and see how mono HC/cruiser feels without hull-bomb meme strat
fervent turret
overall I like the change, it doesn't feel detrimental as a pickup now, but I'm not sure it's beneficial for extreme stagepushing either, maybe better off with ML than CL
river flax
Is anyone else getting half UT artifacts?
nova light
Is anyone else getting half UT artifacts?
if you've completed g7 you should get 5x
double check the number of ooms
river flax
Oh
hearty osprey
My newest best unstable simulation.
bitter umbra
2e5 ough
hearty osprey
Wish there was a better ability fo the heavy cruiser. It gets quite useless after a while
river flax
My newest best unstable simulation.
Wtf LMFAO
bitter umbra
nova light
good riddance I can finally get rid of the stinky frigate eating my upgraddes
nova light
-> literally turns into mono
-> downside
imagine if you still got offered mods after removing a ship
bitter umbra
i mean its still a downside as youll loose ships lol
meaning you cant scale as much
bitter umbra
ye
nova light
well, better in duo
bitter umbra
mono is just a pure downside with losing ships
if it dosent effect the amount of enemies spawning
astral kayak
when update pin mod list
raven seal
and it looks like particle cannon is buggy with its targeting behaviour. Even if one would kill the ship, every single ship with particle cannon will target the same target...
or at least it's been that way a few times
ohhh, that's what glass cannon is. Damage in trade for losing hull...
raven seal
the hull amplifier seems like a better version of hull?
and as funny as it seems, particle cannon fighters with warp doesn't work, because the fire rate of the cannon is just faster than the warp, so they arrive with no guns
brave magnet
is there a general guide or tips for unstable battles soemwhere?
tired blaze
is there a general guide or tips for unstable battles soemwhere?
Always go for damage. Always choose barriers. Always choose smaller ships, larger ones make future stage scaling harder. Charge Laser and Missles are the best weapons atm. Prioritize as many upgrades on one ship type as you can. In late stages, rerolls are essential, avoid missle enemies and swarm fighters.
In terms of placement strategy, there's a lot to say. But try to group them up so they can protect whichever ship has the most upgrades. Sometimes a stray fighter as a distraction is also good. That should just about cover it.
brave magnet
Thank you that is very helpful
brave magnet
does it make sense to go back to a previous unstable galaxy and use my newfound knowledge to improve the max level there?
nova light
and it looks like particle cannon is buggy with its targeting behaviour. Even if...
particle cannon isn't supposed to be there btw
tired blaze
does it make sense to go back to a previous unstable galaxy and use my newfound ...
Not really in terms of rewards, but if you wanna test how far you can go, simulation is always an option for funzies.
dire bison
Or to get missing achievements, if any.
shell jasper
particle cannon isn't supposed to be there btw
hole up is it still in? I thought I fixed that lsat ppatch
bitter umbra
literally just free damage
raven seal
particle cannon isn't supposed to be there btw
Oh. Did make for some very interesting combat once I got it going though. Scaled the hull on the fighters and they became actually viable
raven seal
hole up is it still in? I thought I fixed that lsat ppatch
I might be a patch or so behind?
Yeah. Mine was still on .02 when I did that, and hadn't realised there was a patch. Steam is weird about telling me there's updates if I leave things open
wispy kraken
hole up is it still in? I thought I fixed that lsat ppatch
i just did the latest galaxy on v0.71.0.4 and particle cannon was still there
nova light
lol
wild timber
oh god
nova light
oh dear
little canyon
I -really- liked that run. HC Snipers + C Missiles, got barriers on all + barrier ability.
robust plank
Is Particle Cannon lag the game badly for anyone?
nova light
particle cannon isn't supposed to be there π«
robust plank
Oh, so that why it cause bug due to not optimize yet eh
woeful zephyr
π€
sick yacht
I guess it's worth to pick armor on cruisers now?
bitter umbra
it also does buff damage block once you get single cruisers
sick yacht
Yeah, got nice run with 22 stages cleared with armored HC and CL snipe cruisers
old hound
how does heavy cruiser with heavy split beam laser work with burst fire?
bitter umbra
pretty much just extra beams
bitter umbra
yeah
wild timber
it can't occasionally multitarget
bitter umbra
fair
fervent turret
what if we could choose the slot when we get slot upgrades?
fervent turret
also wonder if damage block were % based, would it scale better?
bitter umbra
can have similar scaling to the maneuverability stat
that would make it scale better
but not really needed
as long as people are getting to 15 runs deep its fine
wild timber
damage block already is % based
bitter umbra
ah
fervent turret
damage block already is % based
% of incoming damage, not hull, I mean
wild timber
at that point you can just multiply the hull by X instead
if damage block isn't supposed to work better against swarmers than snipers, how is it different from regular extra hp?
fervent turret
-# I don't know
wild timber
armored cruisers could specialize even more into being anti-plink and get like, -20% base hull but doubled damage block (so net damage block is 0.8 * 2 = 1.6x as strong) or something
but that actually still makes it a risky option because now armored cruiser will die to mediums more easily
idk
fervent turret
that would be absolutely worse for scaling
wild timber
yea
dire bison
Maybe I misunderstood the tooltips. I thought that damage block was a flat bonus with a 75% ceiling. So a block rating of 10 and incoming fire of 5 would still hit for 0.8, and incoming fire of 15 would hit for 5. The bonus was based on ship hull HP, but that goes up the same amount each upgrade, so you get less protection percentage per upgrade.
shell jasper
there is a minimum damage taken though
wild timber
that doesn't matter much in ut since even enemy missiles start deleting
bitter umbra
yeah honestly
wild timber
is particle cannon gone
bitter umbra
minimum damage isnt that impactful with scaling
bitter umbra
i wanted to see what it did
think its just Armor version of CL's
havent tested it either
wild timber
sadge
bitter umbra
guessing it was left over from testing
shell jasper
ya
wild timber
was it op
shell jasper
dunno lol
bitter umbra
its just a armor version of CL
i was correct
at least in this state anyway
i wonder what happens if you reach 0 hull
with glass cannon
shell jasper
its x0.8 or whatever each time so shouldnt be possible lol
or well if ti is, its an absurd number
bitter umbra
im guessing it just dies instantly
lol
that or loops back around to inf hp
π
wild timber
wild timber
bitter umbra
ewwww
wild timber
hmm yes
bitter umbra
storm bay
Stronk
wild timber
ok it turns out that if you take glass for like 40 stages in a row enemy missiles one shot fighters through barrier
storm bay
Lol
bitter umbra
yeah
storm bay
- Bullet hits target
- Bullet gets stronger
bitter umbra
im dead but
fully glass
xD
damage numbers get insane on fighters if your able to select glass so many times
storm bay
So whatβs the current meme build? Still mono fighters with no extra ships?
bitter umbra
Mono with no extra
nova light
also wonder if damage block were % based, would it scale better?
it IS % based, 1% in normal fleet and 2% in UT now
storm bay
Mono with no extra
Sniper CLs or something else?
bitter umbra
Snipers yeah
nova light
ok it turns out that if you take glass for like 40 stages in a row enemy missile...
sounds like we need stronger barriers
bitter umbra
only way for them to live that long
wild timber
i saw a s46 heavy cruiser but that was with particle cannons
sir not-appearing-in-this-galaxy
bitter umbra
particle/cl's are basicly the same
nova light
technically particle cannon is a little more interesting than just 'armor CL'
storm bay
Fighter ult - anti hull bomb
Deal damage to nearest enemy equal to 100 divided by fighter hull
nova light
nova light
Fighter ult - anti hull bomb
Deal damage to nearest enemy equal to 100 divided b...
glass cannon meta: reborn edition
fervent turret
it IS % based, 1% in normal fleet and 2% in UT now
I have the same understanding as groundsel that it's a flat additive block based on % of hull
nova light
I wonder if it could be better or if it should be better
armor tank is pretty strong in normal fleet tbf
shell jasper
itd be useful later if anyone choose hull upgrades lol
dire bison
it IS % based, 1% in normal fleet and 2% in UT now
Not speaking for thegreenguy, but to me, that isn't scaling. The HP, and therefor the block value, increase at a flat rate based on the beginning HP of the ship, similar to range increases. So we have natural diminishing returns (instead of the infinite DR in our rewards) since each increase is less % value. To me, that's anti-scaling lol
nova light
yeah well you kinda aren't supposed to outscale the UT enemies
dire bison
OIC he replied too lol I should finish scrolling before replying
nova light
friendly reminder you are really only supposed to clear stage 10 xd
dire bison
Agree, we shouldn't outscale the enemies - the 75% (I believe?) cap is a great way to prevent that (imo). And REACHING 75% should be damn difficult. But, with diminishing returns like it is currently, I don't believe it's possible to reach 75% except in the very early stages, vs the weakest enemy guns
If we we only supposed to reach 10, we wouldn't be able to start 11 π
High scores just return this to an idle game for longer stretches π
wicked zealot
19 best stage so far
lunar ivy
I am happy with this
