x0,8 dmg for another shot. its lower burst too.
#Unstable Transit
left sphinx
alpine hemlock
DPS is literally per second my dude, fire rate is included. going to 4 shots is weaker per burst:
7.76 x 3 = 23.28 per burst
5.43 x 4 = 21.72 per burst
multiply by fire rate to get DPS, so 3 shots is better at any fire rate.
or to say the same thing another way, the damage loss is always x0.7, and 4/3 is x1.3333
and .7*1.333 = x0.933
less than one
alpine hemlock
x0,8 dmg for another shot. its lower burst too.
it's x0.7, so even worse
shell jasper
how are yall even getting that many burst fires T.T
alpine hemlock
mono simulation power fantasy
you're basically guaranteed everything but the super rares and you usually get those too
anyway the second burst fire mod isn't crazy like the first one, but it's still a good roll. taking you to 3 shots is "only" x1.05% fire rate, but it's multiplicative. so it's the same as a fire rate upgrade at worst, and better than that if you get any normal fire rate mods.
proper wave
I am happy with today's run. Being able to get 3 cruisers, 2 rare modifiers (one on fighters, one on cruisers), and getting missile launchers was a god sent.
woeful zephyr
I am happy with today's run. Being able to get 3 cruisers, 2 rare modifiers (one...
everyone is getting 18 or close to it with this seed I guess
proper wave
I am bad, so I got to stage 17.
proper wave
12
woeful zephyr
nice
woeful zephyr
I'm still waiting for #1 and #2 to come out on discord lol
proper wave
Wow O_O
woeful zephyr
galaxy numbers need to be in order lol
I was at #1 for a while
and then 2 people passed me apparently
proper wave
yeah
woeful zephyr
wow made it to stage 19 for g4. sadly it wasn't my first run of the day so it's unranked
I think that's all new achievements done, unless I missed something
nova light
the total burst damage in one blast is lower if the dps is lower because burst fire doesn't touch fire rate, so if it does less damage then it has less dps
and yeah, never take more than 2 burst fire because it's just worse
raven seal
1 is great, 2 is decent, third even though it says more dps seems to cause target swapping issues if your fire rate is too high.
vital oar
feels like pretty fun system...
my first battle stage 2 atm
it seems like 10 stages max..
ok i dont want to ss or smth just trying it out once
vital oar
lol cruisers with missiles - fun
fleet steppe
easier than reaching stage 10 before, and probably stage 9
vital oar
fighters with blink and charged lazer?:):)
i wont try that...
shame i cet see what upgrades i got when choosing gain +1 ship....
design
reuse this run's result more times? what?
ok soon ill know
why so big?
does it want me to pick fighter?
ok then, and also r.i.p.
dont understand corvette rapid fire ability...
feels stronk
woeful zephyr
I guess the text made it big
vital oar
what is barrier...
was a bad choice it seems
maybe negates 1 hit...
corvetttttteeee
empty cargo
corvette barrier is alright
empty cargo
that achievement is much easier than it looks
shell jasper
I could slap a 30 one in there I suppose
empty cargo
f
vital oar
for me 20 was just enough and pretty difficult
i couldnt beat 21 anyhow
maybe there some cheese/meta setups/upgrades i dunno
so far so good,
also i dont want very difficult ones
empty cargo
mono modifier makes 20 easy
old hound
I could slap a 30 one in there I suppose
slap a 100 please
proper wave
Wait. Isn't that a lot of modifiers?
(Viewing what would have been my second run)
proper wave
This ain't in a simulation
woeful zephyr
This ain't in a simulation
You can have all 6 in non-simulated
alpine hemlock
wait... for the ship specials you don't need the normal rare ship version to get the very rare fleet version?
i never realized that
untold valve
starting to think teleport is a trap
empty cargo
teleport doesnt have a 2x damage for a short duration
reef yacht
can the golden ship shoot golden lasers, too?
nova light
slap a 100 please
yo enemy scaling is 1.05x per stage and that doubles every 10 stages (so 1.1x after stage 20, 1.2x after stage 30...)
don't think you want to know what enemy stat at stage 100 would be
reef yacht
I could slap a 30 one in there I suppose
you can get a 35 clear with mono fighters relatively easily - 36 is pretty hard if not impossible
nova light
ow
nova light
you can get a 35 clear with mono fighters relatively easily - 36 is pretty hard ...
I wouldn't say relatively easily... with quite a lot of luck
reef yacht
fair enough. maybe I was lucky. Tried it twice, got to 35 each time (and I'm not actually good at UT)
nova light
then we all must be terrible 💀
reef yacht
yeah, there's no skill to it - just fighters, damage + fire rate in DPS balance, teleport and missles - and avoid the big octagon ships at 34+ when you chose the next wave
nova light
'nothing to it' 🫠
alpine hemlock
the hard part of UT is layouts
if all your ships are the same there's not that much to screw up
So. I savescummed the first run of April 2nd a bit
basically, it looks like everything is predetermined and your choices dont change future choices....
EXCEPT if you take or dont take a non-repeating mod, liks a rare ship mod
that changes the pools, so after that everything is different
not taking teleport in run 2 made everything awful
so if you want to tell us about a "good day" for UT, you might mention your choices if you ever passed on a barrier or a ship or fleet special. both you skipped one outright or if you had to choose between two of them
rigid surge
for us at EOC, theres no benefit to doing this currently right? at least until new galaxy is released
jade zenith
not entirely true
since fuel efficiency works on the fuel to instability ratio
though chances are the math will say that it'll be paid back in like 6 months or something ^^
rigid surge
hadn't noticed/realized that fuel efficiency was used for the conversion, thats cool.
but yah, with my b6, id lose about 40 artifacts running z95. .005 extra fuel efficiecy would take a long time to pay that back
though i guess the payback period is mostly independent of b6 progress
rigid surge
oh! the clear stage 20 achievement counts in simulation
got to 24 without much trouble
while going for the too many mods one
proper wave
How good would stage 16 with ~283 hull left be?
Asking as I 'finished the run' (on stage 5) and then reloaded, counting the run before reloading.
shell jasper
10th ish
old hound
how much burst fire is too much burst fire?
old hound
yea i went 4 for the fun of it, bad choice
jade zenith
I've just been looking at the dps number, once it starts going down, I don't take more burst
storm bay
If barrier enemies ever get introduced then getting 3 burst upgrades (4 shots) might be good. But for now it’s a pure dps nerf
nova light
how much burst fire is too much burst fire?
3 -> 4 is strictly worse (the third burst fire mod you pick)
dps drops
plucky anvil
What does the Rank mean?
proper wave
I personally messed up today, so I expect a bad rank 😛
woeful zephyr
how much burst fire is too much burst fire?
I thought this was talking about the capital weapons and was confused for a while lol
empty cargo
channel
woeful zephyr
I locked in a 3rd place for april fools day lol
alpine hemlock
hadn't noticed/realized that fuel efficiency was used for the conversion, thats ...
you can wait to do the achievement run for a UT where the best upgrades are unselectable, so that you "lose" the artifacts from a lesser bonus
rigid surge
you can wait to do the achievement run for a UT where the best upgrades are unse...
good call
shell jasper
CL still seem universally bad or having some uses for it?
nova light
enemy composition is just really against them
they're worse than usual against shotguns because it's far more common in UT for them to be screened by other enemies, particularly skirmishers, which are also quite common
they can't do shit to snipers
unless, of course, you already have a lot of mods on them already and quite a few of them
but the inability to turn it off when you are forced to fight armored skirmishers makes it more difficult than usual too
storm bay
CL doesn't have target priority on high health enemies so you just get one or two shots and then the unit dies to a swarm
nova light
because the approach distance of skirmishers make them 0.01 units closer causing them to be targeted rather than the annoying gatling on 1hp that you want to kill
storm bay
and they tend to avoid mediums at all costs until other small ships are dead
river flax
Yeah I never liked CL in general
And I didn't choose it in testing
So I didn't report it being bad, sorry about that
nova light
all we need is a better skirmisher solution
empty cargo
CL nerfs fire rate too much
nova light
fire rate is good
rigid surge
CL could pierce through to enemies behind, then balance damage/AS around that
though that geometry might be rough
storm bay
- just make CL fire faster
- just make CL do less damage to compensate
- oops we made rail gun again
nova light
it's good at what it does, however UT requires you to deal with everything
river flax
I'm curious about the possibility of a weapon like this, "Space Ray" or smth, it fires very slowly or rather, one time at the start of a battle, fits on a different type of ship, and pierces setups (so at the start, if placed at the very top, deals damage to both the enemy spawns in the top row)
Maybe a G7/G8 thing down the line
Not UT related but I had the idea
nova light
kill everything in these tiles, yes please
fleet steppe
what if Charge Laser had even more damage, but no bonus against shields
so it has a general better matchup against armor and hull enemies
would it be awkward that it doesn't match with galaxy based charge lasers
shell jasper
in theory these shoudl be quite similar to galaxy stuff
fleet steppe
hmm
does seem like a very hard problem to solve
what if charge laser was a rare weapon mod and had busted damage
maybe one of the charge laser upgrades could be versatile charge laser
scenic lichen
charge laser would work better if all the ships didnt shoot at the same 2 fighters
storm bay
fleet plasma chainer
jade zenith
fleet steppe
Charge Laser... Knockback
jade zenith
no extra ships, balanced, seems like a very annoying combo xD
good thing I have some banked stages left
tired blaze
I could slap a 30 one in there I suppose
DO ITTTT
proper wave
that just means 'get mono fighters'
tired blaze
content is content!
empty cargo
with how UT scales...
tired blaze
Any excuse to play more UT is a positive. Best thing the game has gotten for a long while.
tired blaze
CL still seem universally bad or having some uses for it?
I think they're okay as long as they get to target non-swamers. My suggestion would either be force it to target furthest within range, or if you want to keep its close range targeting, give it enemy ship slow / knockback so it gets to fire off a few shots before it dies. (single target or AoE depending on balance). Though that might be better suited as its own rare upgrade mechanic.
empty cargo
CL is bad because of overkill damage and swarmers appearing much more than normal galaxies
tired blaze
perhaps it's just the kind of ship that requires its buddies to take care of swarmers for it. They do go down rather fast. But it's when they don't you're in trouble.
nova light
Charge Laser Bounce
I did suggest a ricochet mod, but it didn't work out
primal cypress
Maybe convert some % of overkill dmg to shield at least?
jade zenith
oooh, or like some sort of base regen/siphon
proper wave
Yay! Not 1st anymore today. 😄
finite wave
Got 18th myself. Gotta bum-rush UT one day just to get 1st place 😛
proper wave
I am surprised that I was 1st for almost half a day
tired blaze
I am surprised that I was 1st for almost half a day
Prolly not a lot of people doing the harder days when you can get away with tapping on bank savings
jade zenith
that and yesterday was pretty decent, so people might have banked runs
that's at least why I haven't done one today
proper wave
Getting to 11-12 today is free. No extra ships = weaker enemy fleets
tired blaze
Would be cool if the harder days with more modifiers gave more artifacts.
proper wave
no extra ships to me feels easier
jade zenith
probably, but the balanced mod definitely is a difficulty spike
proper wave
or at the very least, similar in difficulty
I agree that balanced is a difficulty spike
woeful zephyr
Would be cool if the harder days with more modifiers gave more artifacts.
How would this interact with banking though?
tired blaze
How would this interact with banking though?
idk, lots of options there. Probably best banking doesn't change so you're not disincentivized from playing.
silver comet
is there an optimum time to buy instability with astrium or does it not matter
wild timber
damn barrier is useless against mediums
nova light
yeah mediums fire two shots
so do shotguns, so barrier is also useless to them
even snipers come in pairs so if they target the same guy (which they usually do anyways...) the barrier still doesn't help.... barrier isn't actually that good lmao
except on fighters where you get a lot a lot of them
wild timber
yeah i feel like it should scale
shell jasper
I could just make it 2 barriers
wild timber
i mean that it should scale on ship size cuz it's always a % dps loss right
so blocking 1 shot has different value on a fighter with like 3 hp or a cruiser with 300
just something like 1 barrier on fighter per upgrade, 2 barriers on corvette/frigate, 3 on cruiser
nova light
3 barriers cruisers 2 barriers frigates 1 barrier corvettes 🤔
wild timber
ok maybe corvettes 1 too yeah
nova light
half barrier fighter 🤔
2 barriers is an advantage for frigates but they suck ass already so yeah whatever
wild timber
i liked fighters lose 3 fighters but don't change dps, was that just too bad in practice or something
shell jasper
well cruisers will take medium hits more often so barrier kinda auto worth more on there?
nova light
yeah
shell jasper
1 for fighers and ocrvettes 2 for others could work though
wild timber
usually i want cruisers to get screened from medium hits anyway honestly
nova light
but mediums shoot two shots so in practice the barrier doesn't do much
wild timber
mediums kinda shred them in a straight fight without screening anyway
shell jasper
i liked fighters lose 3 fighters but don't change dps, was that just too bad in ...
well 3 fighers down is mroe dps loss then 10% damage.
wild timber
like i have fighters and then corvettes/frigates keep mediums parked so they can't even target the cruiser, then the cruiser just outranges and gets 4-6 shots off for "free"
nova light
i liked fighters lose 3 fighters but don't change dps, was that just too bad in ...
it was really bad
wild timber
well 3 fighers down is mroe dps loss then 10% damage.
yeah 1/3 is pretty substantial i guess
if the other barriers are gonna keep to being marginal loss then it's too much for sure
nova light
like often, the fighters go forward and a pair of snipers would target one, so the barrier doesn't actually do anything because it takes two shots and dies, except now you just have 6 instead of 9
and like, half of fleet optimisation is getting one fighter to tank multiple shots
shell jasper
right and withotu barrier two snipers still shoot the one fighter anyway most of the time
thats just the lead guy though it might change once in the thick of it
nova light
yeah, but the lead guy is so crucial to the outcome of the battle because it could mean that one extra fighter gets to tank a shot from a medium which keeps your cruiser alive and that single handedly wins the fight
wild timber
also do you guys think this achievement be progressable via simulation
all the other stuff including manual victories is, which honestly feels weirder since that one is actually achievable with normal gameplay
shell jasper
so is that -10% damage even materring?
I want barrier, being a rare, to be picked over other stuff 99% of time, do I need to remove the 10% and give frig + cruiser 2 barriers? or just the latter?
wild timber
the -damage def matters, lots of cases where enemies live at 5-10% hp
shell jasper
I mean matters in termsfo makign you not pick barrier
wild timber
yeah it does, it basically means barrier costs 1.5 waves of upgrades instead of just .5, since you'd need 2 damage upgrade to make up for it
nova light
actually more than that since the damage mods are additive and barrier is multiplicative
(though if you have no damage mods, first one is +10%)
wild timber
yea true
nova light
I want barrier, being a rare, to be picked over other stuff 99% of time, do I ne...
no third barrier to cruiser 😦
wild timber
oh right it's fire rate that's 5% baseline additive
nova light
what about making barrier mod stack 😛
wild timber
but anyway 2x opportunity cost minimum, and in practice somewhere between 2x and 3x
wait, barrier mod can't stack?
but burst fire can?
shell jasper
I guess I could let it stack
issue is tha tjust makes health even more laughable bad ly
wild timber
well if it's rare what's even the chance of getting it twice in like a 12 stage run
is it 6 chances per stage or 3? never actually seen it in the 2nd choice with enemies, only the 1st
nova light
not that high
every 3 stages the second choice is a weapon or ship choice
until they are maxed
so it won't have any of the other mods
wild timber
so every 3 stages there are 15 possible barrier spawns, since # 16-18 are reserved
tired blaze
@shell jasper Is it possible to have the barrier damage reduction linger for half a second / some amount of frames instead? That's how other games with damage immunity handle it. Would be simpler.
shell jasper
I just dont have that built as an option
but it might be worth doing. It might be too good though. Eat the first whole volley from stuff everything?
tired blaze
Perhaps, gotta test it. Just my thoughts.
fleet steppe
barrier being 2 levels on frigates does sound significantly more appealing
nova light
frigates no longer being trash??? what is this sorcery
tired blaze
I think the frigate hate is undeserved
fleet steppe
it's... what's the situation where you want another frigate that's not "I have been consistently taking frigate buff options over other choices and thus it's clearly better to double up on effective mods"
or rather, justifying why you were taking frigate buff mods over other ships
nova light
because they're damage mods and hp mods are stinky
tired blaze
tru
nova light
or 'I now have missile frigates because the only other option was charge laser fighters'
fleet steppe
frigates were helpful in UT because they were the de facto anti armor choice
but with the enemy health type being highly variable and the effectiveness for your ships much more customizable, that's not an edge they have anymore
Of the enemy ships: skirmisher, shotgun, sniper, gatling, medium-
nova light
also the fact that unarmored frigates could one-shot normal enemy fighters
tired blaze
they survive longer
nova light
which they can't anymore when enemies get 5% more hp
nova light
they survive longer
except they don't because there are two of them and 4 corvettes live longer
tired blaze
depends what you're facing
a few damage upgrades and they still oneshot normal ships
main downside with corvettes is you can easily lose one or two of them at the beginning and lose out on dps
fleet steppe
what favorable matchups are there for a frigate?
Skirmishers are worse, corvettes have more independent targets and can clear more faster
shotguns are pretty strong in damage, but frigates have the same range as corvettes, so there's not really an edge there.
snipers can focus down a single ship very quickly, which makes corvettes more resilient as they are more of them, and there's no particular offensive edge from frigates inherently
gatlings?
mediums have really high damage, enough to one shot (2x 28.72 damage per medium) unbuffed frigates
tired blaze
already answered you
fleet steppe
I don't think your answer is good enough
tired blaze
I think you're too biased to think straight
fleet steppe
any ship can have "a few damage upgrades" and keep up in killing enemy ships
the "downside" of corvettes isn't- it's better survivability against high damage ships, and snipers/mediums scale really fast and are unreasonable to tank hits from
tired blaze
corvettes in the frontline is only useful if they take sniper fire, otherwise you want frigates.
storm bay
the fact that mono frigate does like 10 stages worse than mono fighter or corvette is pretty telling
and they aren't that great as a support unit
tired blaze
it's not telling anything
tired blaze
we've all completed G1-5, it should be obvious to anyone who's cared about optimizing layouts that they're on par with corvettes.
storm bay
this is the UT chat
tired blaze
irrelevant to my point.
storm bay
kek
fleet steppe
very relevant to your point
nova light
unstable transit is real different from galaxies (also corvettes are still better than frigates in galaxies)
tired blaze
not if all your upgrades are in other ships
fleet steppe
you can put your upgrades in any ship, not a relevant point unless you have some very clear breakpoints that justify X number on frigates being better than X number on corvettes
tired blaze
well there are breakpoints lol
nova light
which are
fleet steppe
Frigates being a 2x ship has been seen by many as not an advantage over 4x ships that can spread targetting for both offense and defense
tired blaze
but I'm talking about base ships here
because anything beyond that gets muddy since you can change the weapons
nova light
yeah, but your base ships only happen on stage 1 and stage 2
tired blaze
that's why I said "not if all your upgrades are in other ships"
cuz then your frigate stays at base level pretty much
fleet steppe
so justify picking the upgrades
if given the option of the same upgrade for corvette or frigate
why is the range on frigate better
why is the damage on frigate better
why is the hull on frigate better
tired blaze
I'll take damage on a frigate for oneshot capability
fleet steppe
where are they better
nova light
I'll take firerate on cruiser that has oneshot capability
tired blaze
better survivability for backline ships who do the real damage
fleet steppe
and if they are better in X stage, how long can that keep up with stage scaling?
nova light
better survivability for backline ships who do the real damage
ok, so against snipers that oneshot everything that isn't a cruiser
and shotguns that also oneshot everything that isn't a cruiser
tired blaze
they can keep up as long as corvettes that's for sure lol
nova light
and mediums that oneshot everything that isn't a cruiser
how exactly are they tanking
4 ships is strictly better than 2
nova light
they can keep up as long as corvettes that's for sure lol
ok, I'll play some mono runs right now
tired blaze
no they're not strictly better than 2, because 4 gets reduced to 3 quickly and then you've lost 25% dps
fleet steppe
instead of 2 goes to 1 because it was shot by a sniper and losing 50% dps
nova light
2 goes to 1 just as fast and now you've lost 50% dps
tired blaze
not true
storm bay
I feel like this went from "frigates aren't that bad" to "yeah but corvettes are also pretty bad"
tired blaze
there are plenty of layouts where 2 frigates survive but 4 corvettes do not
fleet steppe
personally a fighter main and low key cruiser hater
tired blaze
I shouldn't have to say this, you should have seen it first hand.
storm bay
cruisers drive up the enemy's cost budget so i don't like picking them
fleet steppe
hate fighting medium ships
enemy layout variety can seriously screw you with them
more than other ships imo
nova light
tfw no medium enemy solution
storm bay
plus the enemy scales better than you so the faster you speed up the scaling, the faster you fall behind
fleet steppe
cruisers mostly 1v1 but i'd really love for a wave of fighters to come in and sponge all that damage
nova light
well yeah, because cruisers are just strong
fleet steppe
but even "mostly 1v1" is awkward because they can end up shooting at one ship each, instead of focusing fire on one
nova light
but fighters are possibly better
storm bay
frigates are like low 20s, cruisers mid 20s, corvettes low 30s and fighters mid to high 30s
tired blaze
doesn't help that the fighters are hard to build
fleet steppe
ideally you can lead them in, but ideally isn't every time
fighters are braindead easy
pick the gun
nova light
I've had cruisers to low 30s
fleet steppe
missile or railgun have both been pretty effective
nova light
fighters are easy as long as it isn't charge lasers
fleet steppe
kinda 🫦 on missile though
storm bay
yup
fleet steppe
except barrier barrier on fighters can be cool now
nova light
but even "mostly 1v1" is awkward because they can end up shooting at one ship ea...
mfw two gatlings and two cruisers, but instead of focusing one they shoot at one each so I die to two gatlings with 4hp
fleet steppe
i feel like gatlings should maybe be medium class
storm bay
or they shoot at the mediums that are behind them
fleet steppe
like they're on the highest end of small ship
but it would (probably) feel so good for my cruisers to pop them
fleet steppe
I've had cruisers to low 30s
cruisers also have some cool mods
hull bomb is pretty neato
storm bay
but then the small ships would ignore them and they'd get in close and wreck your shit
nova light
not like mediums don't do that already
nova light
hull bomb is pretty neato
I claim the idea for that one 😛
rate of fire is huge in fleet because the damage and health numbers are relatively small
fleet steppe
man it would be so cool if we could have "ghosts" to play against
at the end of stage X (your last attempt or you decide to move on), you see a ghostly version of a specific other player, so you can see what their choices were...
unless the enemy waves are up to what ships/mods you've chosen, which I feel like I read something about enemy health type having a max or minimum of one of something
storm bay
today's mods look pretty op except for fewer choices
nova light
at the end of stage X (your last attempt or you decide to move on), you see a gh...
enemies can have at most +1 things that counter your overall damage type composition (e.g. if you have all charge lasers, at most 1 armored enemy can spawn)
shell jasper
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fleet steppe
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storm bay
is this an anti-cheat mechanism?
nova light
lmao what
fleet steppe
hoooly
nova light
is this an anti-cheat mechanism?
gg I guess
nova light
lmfao
storm bay
i blame the frigates
nova light
I wish charge lasers wouldn't have 4 frigates shooting one swarmer (bruh why)
if they didn't, then this stage would be perfect instead of taking 50 damage
fleet steppe
Charge Laser doom
nova light
in theory these shoudl be quite similar to galaxy stuff
think the main problem here is in UT they are somehow not smart enough to target different enemies
shell jasper
somehow?
nova light
so you have like 10 charge laser shots going into one skirmisher overkilling it by about 50 times and wasting a ton of damage that could've one-shot a whole shotgun squad next to it
shell jasper
the target logics the same
fleet steppe
I think part of it is that you're given the tools to precisely take on the enemy ships in Galaxies, or at least the opportunity to
so the messier cases we see in UT are there because we can't pair charge lasers for the shielded shotguns and a fighter to pull aggro while rushing skirmishers at the same time
nova light
yeah, you have less choice over the tools you are given which forces you to take a few more slightly unfavorable situations, but it turns out charge lasers are a lot worse in slightly unfavorable situations
fleet steppe
and those charge laser corvettes ARE strong enough because you've been accruing boosts after each run, so you CAN trust them to do their job and keep up
shell jasper
slow firing stuff just sucks even more in an uncontrolled thingy
storm bay
@shell jasper #1335902304959987733 message
is this intentional or is it something weird that happens when the same seed gets called twice?
storm bay
skill
shell jasper
"seed gets called twice"?
storm bay
game had to unlock the secret difficulty
tired blaze
frigates + fighters
storm bay
"seed gets called twice"?
i loaded into UT, quit, then reloaded the save
then did UT again to check if duo changed
got the same units but the enemy brought friends
shell jasper
weird
nova light
blegh it not working
shell jasper
windows + shift + s then select record icon
empty cargo
screen rec?
empty cargo
win+shift+s i dont see a record icon
nova light
ah, if only I could take a screenshot of the screenshot taking thing
fleet steppe
take a print screen every second, post them in a powerpoint, and scroll through it really fast
nova light
🤔
empty cargo
hmm
storm bay
nova light
... dark.. .dark magic
empty cargo
????
empty cargo
before
empty cargo
storm bay
old OS?
empty cargo
idk
storm bay
is it windows 11?
nova light
rip
storm bay
either way just download a screen recorder
empty cargo
i can use win+g
rigid surge
try launching the actual snipping app
i use lightshot, more freedom to draw on the screet shot before copying
shell jasper
hmm ok im doin the barier lasta 0.1 seconds after being hit thing. hopefully it doesnt make things too insane with angles or anything ><
storm bay
fleet steppe
anti frigate propaganda because someone didn't post benchmarks
stage 10, 3 hull upgrades and my frigates still get fried by doubled snipers
other upgrades poured into fighters
stage 11 medium doesn't quite one shot, so here's your benchmark, you win
I would love to have corvettes or more fighters over my frigates here
so called tankiness when they get blown up by one shot by either unit, meaning more ships would be better
fleet steppe
thinking more on UT upgrades and wrote out the math for how weapon mods affect a base ship
Composite row is the stats of the "tier 1" weapon mod multiplied by the "tier 2" upgrade mod
and then I tried to compare what the "equivalent" would be in terms of normal upgrades for damage/range/fire rate, aka how many of each upgrade would you need to have a comparable effect in each stat
surprisingly, charge lasers have an enormous equivalent upgrade amount despite being generally the worst weapon type, mostly due to range carrying the hell of out of the budget
with minimal range, the Rapid Mini Rail Gun seems like it has a really high budget and should be a high performer if you don't value the range (say, teleporter fighters)
storm bay
is this an anti-cheat mechanism?
this still happens after using an auto run and waiting for another instability
once you get to stage 2 it returns to normal but i take 450 or so damage
just started a simulate run and got the same enemies
after "clearing" stage 1 in simulate, standard run works again
limber gull
My totally inconsistent rankings lead me to believe that I know so little about what I'm doing that I don't even know whether I know what I'm doing.
storm bay
be jealous
fleet steppe
behold, stage 30+ charge laser
alpine hemlock
so you're saying CL is totally fine with only 41 fire rate mods
fleet steppe
and the inherently higher fire rate of the fighters
alpine hemlock
yeah fighters are just good lol
fleet steppe
honestly did better than I expected
still not picking charge laser unless I'm forced to, but at least charge quick tries to patch the damage
urban bridge
someone tell me when I should pick hp over other things
alpine hemlock
almost never over damage
over range, sometimes.
cruisers have synergistic mods, so it's better on them
urban bridge
My totally inconsistent rankings lead me to believe that I know so little about ...
there's also the effect of picking different upgrade paths that can screw you over. I had a stage 14 clear vs a stage 22 clear just from picking the upgrades in different orders (almost entirely because of getting offered barrage launcher instead of close range)
alpine hemlock
or otherwise if you have like 3 corvettes with a lot of good mods, and 1 frigate with no mods
then corvette health might be better than frigate fire rate
urban bridge
ok - now, when damage over fire rate?
alpine hemlock
higher DPS is going the be pretty close
technically you would want to skew damage slightly for various reasons
for many weapons you will get the first shot ready before you're in range, which means the first shot is instant. you get some fire rate equivalent for free
urban bridge
so pewpew big numbers is the correct feeling, got it
alpine hemlock
if you shoot fast and do low damage
missiles, anything on fighter, just go with the DPS
fleet steppe
someone tell me when I should pick hp over other things
someone says frigates are good at tanking things so apparently hull boosts are good on them 🗿
I agree though, only take it for cruisers, damage (and sometimes range) is king
fleet steppe
aaaaaaaaaaaa
Barrier change is noticable and appreciated
wide
can't really push any further than before though
enemies are just too big
storm bay
🤔
nova light
aaaaaaaaaaaa
at least you can still pick the enemies, although tbh none of those compositions are particularly friendly
nova light
oh nicec
storm bay
wonder if you can get it more than once
alpine hemlock
i did a fighter mono run and only saw it once
also only saw burst once, so i think "burst fire caps at 2" means the stat = 2
one mod, not two
storm bay
same which i thought was lame, or a mistake
or sylv stealth nerfed the rate that it appears
alpine hemlock
also from what i can tell the Ship Improvement is exactly the effect of +1 to the 4 basic mods
as in it's additive with them
nova light
it's at worst a fire rate and damage mod in one
nova light
also only saw burst once, so i think "burst fire caps at 2" means the stat = 2
ew stinky
fleet steppe
also did some thinking
so there's a max of 1 offtyped health you can encounter
but if that one ship chosen is a medium, that's kinda bruh
since it's a harder single shiptype
alpine hemlock
yeah not picking the option with the shield medium is the name of the game, for all anti-armor
and vice versa
and let's be honest it's always anti armor because there's only one option for shields and it's the worst of the three.
beam weapon when
storm bay
burst double tap beam frigates
alpine hemlock
kek
nova light
beam weapon when
g6 surely
finally the anti-shield cruiser we've always wanted??? right???
surely
storm bay
actually now that i think about it, double tap on frigates turns the 2nd burst into a dps nerf (if we still had it)
fleet steppe
a cool frigate mod would be reflectors (with a fleet wide weaker reflector)
get fucked snipers
alpine hemlock
upgrade to barrier?
fleet steppe
was thinking it'd be a frigate exclusive to give some sauce
storm bay
evasion frigates
fleet steppe
shotgun weapon type, and a rare perk that gives a dash dodge that pushes your ship closer to the attacking enemy
nova light
actually now that i think about it, double tap on frigates turns the 2nd burst i...
double tap does not have the damage reduction that the burst fire mod has
it should not be a dps nerf, just essentially double damage for 3 seconds
storm bay
double tap does not have the damage reduction that the burst fire mod has
no I mean if you got a 2nd burst mod
nova light
mmm yes
nova light
no I mean if you got a 2nd burst mod
should be 2x burst not +1 burst 🤔
im still not entirely sure if it actually works lol
storm bay
I'm assuming it's +1
empty cargo
- UT Barrier now lasts a moment after being hit so ships with two turrets wont just bypass it
is that why barriers were bad
alpine hemlock
they were never bad but now they are better
empty cargo
whats the new mod in z89
nova light
no they were kinda mid
fleet steppe
barrier for -20% damage was not great
-10% damage was mostly a justifiable pick
current barrier isn't really any better against something like skirmishers, but does a lot better against mediums, and usually better against snipers
nova light
and shotguns
and notably the ones you most want to block a hit are mediums, shotguns and snipers, but it didn't really work cuz mediums and shotguns shoot two shots and snipers came in pairs
alpine hemlock
whats the new mod in z89
#sector-124-131 message
nova light
whats the new mod in z89
ship improvement, all basic mods in one
empty cargo
and is it repeatable
nova light
not stackable
empty cargo
ship improvement also additive with the other 4 stat boosts
nova light
at worst a damage and fire rate mod in one
storm bay
be jealous
weird. stage cleared changed to 0 once the leaderboard locked in
shell jasper
did you clear a stage?
empty cargo
rip
storm bay
I think technically since the base survived the enemy fire
but then I reloaded so the server kept that run
I feel like there's some -1 index stuff happening here
might've caused the legion I was up against
urban bridge
im still not entirely sure if it actually works lol
I can verify I went from 8 missiles to 12. Barrage, Burst, Double tap - so +1 projectile with double tap active.
Was it broken in some other way?
river flax
i liked fighters lose 3 fighters but don't change dps, was that just too bad in ...
Oh that was changed
RIP
empty cargo
.
nova light
I can verify I went from 8 missiles to 12. Barrage, Burst, Double tap - so +1 pr...
huh, it should be 2x
im not sure actually
mod says 2x
urban bridge
is there some where that the mod actually says what it does?
all I saw was "grants double tap" or whatever
"2x burst fire" is consistent with what I saw though. I had +1 burst fire, and with double tap active I had +2 burst fire 😛
Would be cooler if it just doubled projectiles instead though
empty cargo
max targets stat
urban bridge
?
urban bridge
is there some where that the mod actually says what it does?
oh it says it right there on the ship stats.
empty cargo
.
urban bridge
oh just managed to test it. No burst fire upgrades. Only double tap. Shoots 4 projectiles total. So +1 burst fire
urban bridge
burst fire is kinda fun though. Gatling cannon brrrrrrrrt
also, how many missile is that
empty cargo
oh yeah why does gatling laser exist and not gatling gun(kinetic)
urban bridge
better to put all your kinetic energy in one projectile in USI universe, I guess
urban bridge
UT challenge mode: you have to pick CL 😦
fleet steppe
the humble fighter mono more choices extra mods:
empty cargo
fighter with CL isnt that bad
urban bridge
messing with mono frigates right now, and nearly lost stage 4 lol
fleet steppe
it seems considerably less bad than other ships with CL
empty cargo
as long as you dont use both CL and teleport
fleet steppe
but it's also... kind of a big L when fighters could be doing any other weapon and supporting your other ships
urban bridge
bah I just want to test launchers. Why does it keep giving me CL and rail gun
urban bridge
I love missile launchers
128 missiles
do I take more burst fire...? Yes. Yes, I think I do.
is... a lot of missiles?
fleet steppe
fighter missiles stunlock pretty hard
urban bridge
how many missiles is that per fighter?
empty cargo
im stealing that
urban bridge
lol it takes me 16 missiles just to kill a single fighter
.03 damage is a good deal, surely
nova light
how many missiles is that per fighter?
12 I think
nova light
stage 35 is higher than wherever you're at
urban bridge
I did not get to stage 30 though, probably woulda helped if I didnt compulsively pick burst fire even if though it's detrimental
urban bridge
stage 35 is higher than wherever you're at
you are optimizing the wrong number
alpine hemlock
"luckily" when you finally give up and patch, the burst fire mod isn't repeatable anymore
jade zenith
well, you can get it twice
alpine hemlock
well, you can get it twice
98% sure no
unless you count the frigate buff
my only evidence was I did some 30+ mono and didn't see it so it's possible
jade zenith
I read that as you can get the upgrade twice
could see how it could eb read otherwise
alpine hemlock
but unless you've actually had it, im pretty sure "limited to 2" means a Burst Fire stat of 2
as in 2 projectiles, just 1 mod
shell jasper
2 mods
alpine hemlock
yeah i got like 3-4 bursts in a big mono run before i feel like
im actually glad it's intended to be +2, the second one was still pretty good
did you do two separate non-repeatable mods, second one with the first as prerequisite?
or is there an actual system for repeatable N times
alpine hemlock
that'll happen
there;s something slightly weird going on with the mod pool you can see with "more choices" also, might be related?
used to be when you did mono+more choices, you were essentially guaranteed one of each of the basic mods, unless you got a rare or something
now i'm seeing mostly 3+1 duplicate
jade zenith
yeah, just did a simulation with more mods and didn't get more than 1 burst
also only got one of the new "upgrade everything" mod, dunno if that's intentional or not
empty cargo
ship improvement is not repeatable
nova light
should be multiplicative so it feels more exciting
alpine hemlock
it's already 4 mods, it's pretty dang good
nova light
but realistically only two of those matter
jade zenith
hull and range, right?
nova light
🙃
jade zenith
tbf neither's entirely terrible, just nothing you'd pick over the other two options, so getting a taste for free's pretty decent
scenic lichen
one of my fav builds is with hull
cruiser with hull bomb and reduced damage just wipes screens
urban bridge
cruiser with hull bomb and reduced damage just wipes screens
only got to stage 21 on mono hull bomb cruiser 😦
I'm not a fan of hull bomb because it has no visual. It's hard to tell when it's doing its thing
scenic lichen
i think my highest with it has been 24. just because its one of my favs, does no mean that its good.
highest for me is mono fighters at round 34
urban bridge
well you said wipes screens 😛 which it didnt do 😦 Nothing die before it was in weapon range, that I noticed. I was expecting more!
scenic lichen
sorry for mislabeling, i just found it to be a fun build that caused stuff to die without having to move far at all
many times i would just watch the first half die on the first trigger
urban bridge
I'm partial to missiles 😛
finite wave
scenic lichen
i do miss the burstfire x 5 fighters that warped behind enemies..... where my game froze for a few seconds
urban bridge
not enough missiles with fighters 😦
fleet steppe
Missile gang
urban bridge
Sylv is anti missile gang >.< uber nerf to missile fun last patch
storm bay
sylv loves nerfs
shell jasper
Ill remove the limiti if you really want lol
urban bridge
I just want more missiles, I care for nothing else
(it would be cool if you removed the limit and made it not negative DPS at high levels though)
nova light
I'm not a fan of hull bomb because it has no visual. It's hard to tell when it's...
hey there is a charge bar
well sylv did say it was a little weird with no visual
should've used the 'huge weapon' ⚪ shot to indicate it
urban bridge
needs to be AOE and just give it a nova animation
nova light
it already has infinite range thats a bit op
although in the past I got e11 damage out of it but we don't talk about that
urban bridge
it's only OP if you keep the damage or range the same. So many levers to pull
nova light
ah yes hull bomb for e9
fleet steppe
hmm
storm bay
new cruiser perk where when it dies, it explodes into a cluster of fighters
empty cargo
new cruiser perk where when it dies, it explodes into a cluster of fighters
carrier that got its hangar stuck
normal prism
So I've just tried UT fleet teleport very rare ability .... and I have mixed feelings.
It always completely confuses my ships, and they have to turn around while enemy ships instantly shoot into them
Anyone finds this actually useful ?
lethal iron
didn't find it useful either - same as barrier upgrade
lethal iron
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense - may have to try it if I ever get it offered for fighters ... RNG hasn't been on my side in that regard 😅
urban bridge
I think.. I might not be good at UT
fleet steppe
Combination Alloy doesn't unlock anything helpful before new materials right
T18.0 Synth would bring it down to ~15 days with 4 synth running
scenic lichen
only got to stage 21 on mono hull bomb cruiser 😦
just got to stage 27 with hull bomb cruisers!
ended up doing it with charge lasers too!
mild crane
hit 15 today with barrage cruisers
silver comet
should i just be spending astrium for instability any time the button is blue, or is there an optimal strategy for when to spend it?
proper wave
You gain 1 instability per day as base.
It takes 60 hours of fuel to speed up instability gain by 24 hours.
Then you divide that 60 hours by your fuel efficiency to get the actual time it takes for the 24 hour speed up.
And it scales linearly, so it is up to you.
silver comet
is it ever beneficial to wait to spend it, like if i could spend it now with 20 hours left or wait til 4 hours left
or does it not matter
alpine hemlock
the only way it could matter is if the caps get involved
there's no downside to spending fuel other than getting to 4/4 instability and wasting it
proper wave
^
Unless you want to micromanage your fuel so that you have around the same fuel between the skipping cycles, in which case, it is recommended to skip when you would gain automatically in 6:51-7:35h
6:51 is base case scenario and 7:35 is with 1.15392 efficiency
silver comet
cool ty guys
dim shell
dang, just cleared up to stage 18 with the "only 2 ship-types" mod, which gave me cruisers and corvettes
alpine hemlock
yeah duo is strong. good run for me too
i also had cruisers and corvettes. i assume standard runs have the same seed
shell jasper
sheesh 20 only got you 26th?
alpine hemlock
pretty good rares, burst+barrier on the corvettes
how does the ranking go for ties, chronological?
shell jasper
exact ties are grouped
huh
quite alot of people cleared 20 with 500 base left, seems that was just the spot it falls apart is 21
alpine hemlock
yeah i just died to stats, there were like 6 mediums in all options
wild timber
i wonder how many times taking the rare option immediately then deadlocks you into a lose state from bad enemy spawns 10 waves later
and then like 30 people just didn't take it and get easy spawns to live another wave or 2
shell jasper
it shouldnt cascade like that in theory
taking another cruiser will chagne things
but not the mods
alpine hemlock
"bad" spawns only matter on fights that are hard enough to be close
wild timber
i thought the mods that can't spawn again do change things for the rest of the run
alpine hemlock
which is only near the end on duo
wild timber
"bad" spawns only matter on fights that are hard enough to be close
you can also only see half the difficulty, because the other half is in the enemy layout
alpine hemlock
there was like one stage for me that was losable on layout
shell jasper
i thought the mods that can't spawn again do change things for the rest of the r...
not enemy compositions
wild timber
ah ok
alpine hemlock
you can also only see half the difficulty, because the other half is in the enem...
true, some layouts are rough
shell jasper
anything that modifies the pool will change outcomes, but all else should be stable
alpine hemlock
so rare mods, mostly
wild timber
layout is probably worth +/- 3 stages between like the 10% most favorable and 10% least favorable spawn patterns if i had to eyeball it
most favorable being like, snipers in the front row kind of shit
least favorable...probably multiple enemy shotguns being screened by fighters?
alpine hemlock
fighters are weapon dependent though, if you have missiles they're actively good for you
wild timber
screened by shielded fighters
nova light
quite alot of people cleared 20 with 500 base left, seems that was just the spot...
the stat scaling doubles from 1.1x to 1.2x right? not suprising tbh
shell jasper
ya makes sense
nova light
at stage 21 you can die to like 3 enemy shots, like if a single medium or pair of snipers survive, you lose
storm bay
fleet steppe
There can be some layouts where a medium spawn lives forever and shreds your fleet
nova light
just a shielded medium surrounded by skirmishers and you can't do anything about it
fleet steppe
stage 30+ 🗿
nova light
skirmishers actually are the most dangerous at high level just because they shoot lots of shots
woeful zephyr
another winning run
nova light
wtf is this?
all 4 basic mods in one
cobalt ingot
should i just be spending astrium for instability any time the button is blue, o...
spending fuel to gain an instability seems to reset the 24 hour instability gain timer, maybe worth it to spend fuel right after gaining an instability from the 24 hour timer?
that level of micromanagement is too much for lazy me though, I got lucky and happened to have the game running when it occurred today
shell jasper
it scales with the time left
rigid surge
spending fuel to gain an instability seems to reset the 24 hour instability gain...
the only reason not to spend fuel as soon as the convert button activates, is if you think next content patch is around the corner, and you want keep fuel near the 4 day mark.
there is no timing that is more effient
24 hrs left costs more fuel than 1 hr left
proper wave
Today's run is pretty fun
woeful zephyr
I locked in rank 2 yesterday it seems. beats the rank 3 I got on april fools day
both of those runs were with no run modifiers 🤔
guess I should just keep making record attempts whenever there are no modifiers roflmao 😆
wait are there fewer people doing manual runs where there are no modifiers cause it's too boring?
obsidian glade
wouldnt surprise me tbh
woeful zephyr
and I guess you also get a worse banked run since it's easy to beat 18 stages with other modifier sets
which disincentivizes people from trying
obsidian glade
Maybe every run should just have a modifier by default
but then again it might be op
woeful zephyr
how is the modifier determined though?
I guess with all the saved runs from the rank system it's possible to come up with a median or something for each modifier set, and then apply a multiplier to equalize them all?
obsidian glade
not sure what you mean
woeful zephyr
doesn't solve the problem of boring multiplier sets
woeful zephyr
not sure what you mean
like say with duo the median run is 20 stages and with none the median run is 15. Give people a bonus 1.3333x multplier to the number of stages for the banked run when there are no modifiers to equalize the two
and same for all the modifier sets to equalize them all
obsidian glade
Ah yeah I see
woeful zephyr
oh wait you were talking about something different
you just wanted to get rid of none
obsidian glade
Yeah that was my original idea
so that every run has at least some modifier, but then that would probably just shift the problem and people would just skip the "bad" ones
woeful zephyr
yeah, so the multiplier would fix that unless I'm overlooking something
obsidian glade
probably yeah
woeful zephyr
really easy runs like duo should probably have a multiplier less than 1 to prevent overreliance on the banking
proper wave
I wonder who currently has #1 for today's run
||I fell to #2 while sleeping||
old hound
im sorry for your loss
obsidian glade
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obsidian glade
I wonder who currently has #1 for today's run
||I fell to #2 while sleeping||
I wish i could tell you but sylvs api only allows you to return your rank for your player id :(
something something data security smh
woeful zephyr
I wonder who currently has #1 for today's run
||I fell to #2 while sleeping||
not me
but maybe it can be if I try it
it's the "No Extra Ships" one?
proper wave
yeah
woeful zephyr
something something data security smh
does it give each player a GUID or something?
proper wave
There's one in the settings
obsidian glade
not a guid, just a 12-character number. if you go to your save directory you can read it in the config.cfg - or yeah, if you ran it through steam you can read it in the settings too
bottom left
woeful zephyr
that seems hackable..
obsidian glade
it is
woeful zephyr
like you can just pick some other player's number and download their save and also save some crappy save in its place?
obsidian glade
havent tried that one yet but I have been playing around with the idea of submitting a stage-1000 clear lol
but yeah the issue is that you need their id
woeful zephyr
lol at what point does it count as cheating though?
obsidian glade
idk if the server rate limits you (probably not)
obsidian glade
lol at what point does it count as cheating though?
I feel like at this point it very much is blatant cheating lol
woeful zephyr
yeah
obsidian glade
which is why I wont do it even though its tempting
giving me the mod role is one thing but cheating in a leaderboard? not on my watch
woeful zephyr
but yeah the issue is that you need their id
so this is why you use GUIDs
good luck finding another's player number when they are GUIDs unless they mess up and leak theirs somewhere
obsidian glade
yeah very true
woeful zephyr
with badly generated ids you can just offset your own by 1 and get a valid id
obsidian glade
Though, again idk if sylvs server rate limits you, but even if it doesnt I assume it'll just crumble if you try to brute force your way through the ids
woeful zephyr
like it will just DoS the server?
obsidian glade
I would assume so, if you actually try to work your way through them
unless you space out the requests in which case it will take forever if youre not lucky
woeful zephyr
oh that's some bad cheating
obsidian glade
hmm it seems when you launch the game through steam, it uses your steam id, and if not it generates a UUIDv4
woeful zephyr
with getting a 1000 stage clear at least you're just cheating in singleplayer and if you already reached S117+ legitimately you don't even get extra giveaway entries
obsidian glade
so funnily non-steam players are safer from fake submissions than steam players
I can just grab the steam id from any of my friends lol
obsidian glade
with getting a 1000 stage clear at least you're just cheating in singleplayer an...
yeah for sure
woeful zephyr
so steam's ids are worse? lol
wow that's just silly
unless they are some sort of universal id type thing
woeful zephyr
I can just grab the steam id from any of my friends lol
omg, ok that's bad
obsidian glade
idk how steam ids are generated but they're literally just in the url
woeful zephyr
Sylv please fix lol
that's quite a security hole
and people sometimes link their steam profile pubicly too, right?
obsidian glade
I messaged him about the mod role exploit earlier so I'll tell him about that too when he replies
woeful zephyr
so it's actually worse than just being able to steal friends' ids
mod role exploit? like you can obtain the mod role on this discord?
and it's not a discord-side issue?
obsidian glade
nope thats a sylv-side issue lol
woeful zephyr
oh so you were actually yellow lol
woeful zephyr
I thought there were no yellow names lol
I guess lactose is one now that I think of it
cheesy role
obsidian glade
mmm cheese
woeful zephyr
even though cheese doesn't have that much lactose
obsidian glade
depends on the cheese doesnt it
cream cheese probably has a lot more than hard cheese
woeful zephyr
I guess if you add lactose back in somehow
yeah
oh wait cream cheese is low carb so probably not
woeful zephyr
lactose is a carbohydrate so anything with low net carbs will be low lactose
obsidian glade
Don't try it lol
it can and will make you sick if you dont chew the maggots well enough
woeful zephyr
oops I lost this conversation and went looking for it in #sector-124-131
obsidian glade
not just the eu
obsidian glade
woeful zephyr
lol what are you doing?
obsidian glade
nothing just writing documentations for future reference :)
woeful zephyr
you've gone beyond looking through the code and are actually submitting API calls?
obsidian glade
how do you think I made my name yellow
woeful zephyr
that's from Sylv's code? lol
obsidian glade
I probably shouldnt go into detail but yeah lol
other than that I havent POSTed anything though, just fetched data because I was curious how the responses are structured
woeful zephyr
I guess having a game link give you roles can do that lol
obsidian glade
(I mean, technically that wasnt a POST either because sylvs api isnt restful but eh)
woeful zephyr
what, was it a GET or something? lol
obsidian glade
yeah its all get
obsidian glade
I mean I guess the game uses POST
but the API doesnt care
I just used get in postman
didnt even realize that until now lol
woeful zephyr
lol ok
obsidian glade
(we should probably stop bullying sylv, sorry sylv, love u)
woeful zephyr
I mean to be fair, it's sorta hard to make a client side game like that secure
but it should at least be secure against turning yourself into a discord mod lol
giving yourself S1000+ not so much lol
obsidian glade
funnily it didnt want to give me the dev role
woeful zephyr
lol
obsidian glade
so either sylv put a check there specifically for that, or its some discord safeguard
maybe bots cant assign admin roles
woeful zephyr
server creator restrictions maybe? idk
obsidian glade
maybe bots cant assign admin roles
I would assume this is the case tbh
obsidian glade
me neither I just know their API is a mess
woeful zephyr
that sucks
obsidian glade
servers are internally called "guilds", and now that there's actual guilds those have some other obscure term lol
proper wave
So Luna, did you manage to get first or second? 😛
proper wave
oh
woeful zephyr
we have like 9+ more hours lol
shell jasper
it doesnt come up as a normal one, simulation only
its the opposite, the ones that require the othe rmode say that and ones that work in either dont. though this one techinicaly wont work caus eyoull never roll extreme I suppose
shell jasper
oh noice
nova light
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damn it
woeful zephyr
apparently we have different strengths and weaknesses here
and no one has claimed a rank 1 run that stayed rank 1 at the end of the day yet..
left sphinx
too lazy to do it daily
woeful zephyr
Terriama needs to challenge this guy to a duel ^ 😂
Also you have 29 minutes left or else you automatically lose
proper wave
Terriama needs to challenge this guy to a duel ^ 😂
I fell down to 5th
I wrote in my spoiler about 12 hours ago that I fell from 1st
tl;dr I am bad at fleet
woeful zephyr
Apparently not as bad as me
woeful zephyr
I guess I rely too much on stacking onto one ship, cause not being able to do that today made it much harder
One ship type I mean
proper wave
Yeah
What I have noticed is that
a). I love getting missiles
b). Distracting fighters (i.e. teleport) helps a TON against the back lines
c). Cruisers are a scam which make the fights harder than they need to be since bigger ships spawn earlier because of them
d). Taking single cruiser upgrade is also a scam because of reduction to fire rate, given that in later stages, your defence does not matter - your offences do
left sphinx
meh, died at 18
woeful zephyr
Oh really? I rely on cruisers lot
woeful zephyr
meh, died at 18
122.43? wtf how?
left sphinx
2.7 b6
proper wave
I personally hate cruisers because they're mostly defensive
woeful zephyr
I also took single cruisers in many of my runs including my rank 2 run lol
I had like 3 of them stacked a lot lol
woeful zephyr
I may be inadvertently be doing a tank & dps type thing
But idk really
My cruisers usually have the highest dps so not really
left sphinx
upgrade that reduce your ship amount is scam
woeful zephyr
More mods?
proper wave
hard, fewer, balance
left sphinx
my reason to die ealier bcs i got scammed by turn into 1 cruiser upgrade
woeful zephyr
Oh that gives you an extra every 3, right?
proper wave
yes
woeful zephyr
Hopefully 10 is still possible though lol
left sphinx
more ship = kill weakling faxter
left sphinx
its scam, its 2 cruiser stat into 1
dps is each ship
15 dps of 2 cruiser into 30 dps of big one
woeful zephyr
lost on stage 13
Rank?
proper wave
stage 10 is a bottleneck today
proper wave
that 21 hull is because of that
although I lost some on stage 4 and 7-8
early choices are also bad
woeful zephyr
You get a choice of fights though
proper wave
cough cough
forced charge laser
woeful zephyr
So choosing the right fight for 10 probably helps
proper wave
fell down to 3rd already 😛
woeful zephyr
Who are all these players getting good ranks and not posting on discord?
proper wave
idk
empty cargo
does it detect cheats
shell jasper
it blocks highly out of range stuff
empty cargo
so like stage 50 for example
woeful zephyr
It blocks minibosstank runs XD
shell jasper
ive been looking at the ranks each day and havent seen anything that looks like cheating so