I think so, but I'm not sure
#Synth Purity Challenge
cobalt crane
hexed jewel
so it wont be fast probably aight that answers my q well enough
zenith pivot
Trying to complete S2, I think I have the same build as the pinned comment for S2 1 hour completion, but currently stuck on 9A boss
harsh fable
can i see your core... and are you useing dmage and shield modules?
harsh fable
yea thats not the build posted "in pins"
id recomend this
rember to go to synth page these modules work in challenge... craft and upgrade them as needed
zenith pivot
Ohhhhhhh
That'll be it
btw I was trying to copy this build #1087075522816770118 message
harsh fable
dont use bulk shields on future synth purtiy challenges
harsh fable
That'll be it
i saw
not optimal
shield hp is set by synth materials... bulk gets no advantage and has slower regen...
zenith pivot
good advice, thanks!
harsh fable
continous gets buff by synth materials being hp and has faster regen
i included it in pin because they posted synth speed and st completion time
so it was good goal and proof
zenith pivot
ah, I see
zenith pivot
lol can't believe I forgot the modules, they're usually always turned on even after prestige but makes sense they're turned off for the challenge
breeeeeezing through now
lol 1 to 9A (very long) ... after enable modules 9A to 14 was like 10 minutes
modest loom
it's okay to just go afk with crafting base materials right
and then come back and refine into the more useful stuff
harsh fable
yes. but youll waste alot of time
set smart craft slots to higher tier material and walk away 😛
thats the only real benifit of smart craft is this right here
modest loom
i only have one smartcraft slot
so that one on a high tier
and then the other just making t1 ingots?
harsh fable
make sure you use damage and shield module for this challenge
but you have to craft and upgrade
modest loom
it's my first time doing it, but according to the pins i'm supposedly able to do the second completion too?
should i reset or keep going
as in, does the completion bonus activate right away
harsh fable
keep going... use module and crafting materials
modest loom
ok
harsh fable
it activates right away
modest loom
sweet!
harsh fable
no need to leave
harsh fable
yep
stark flax
I just got a notification to do the synth purity challenge though the requirements weren't complete. when does the notification send?
harsh fable
when you have the synth speed...
thin badge
Synth 1 - Probably woulda been done faster if I hadn't gone AFK for breakfast, but only had T2 Lv 2 Weapon Module, and T2 Lv. 4 Shield Module. All T1 inf, no T2 inf. 2x Gatling and 1x Laser with 2x Continuous Tier 1s
craggy tusk
Could anyone let me know if I'm missing something that would help me get just that little bit of power to get to 26 that I'm missing? Or do I just need to sit in 25 and wait longer for more synth still?
cobalt crane
you have way too little synth speed to complete synth purity 4. You need at least 1e10 synth speed, so that it takes about 3 hours. You can go with 1e11 synth speed instead, in which case it'll take about 20 minutes
craggy tusk
How do you advise I get more speed because I'm not seeing anything other than eventually getting enough warp? I know I'm over looking something
cobalt crane
how's your research doing?
craggy tusk
how's your research doing?
cobalt crane
hmm... I think you need to progress further in the game, then come back to this challenge later
craggy tusk
Fair, thank you.
harsh fable
Could anyone let me know if I'm missing something that would help me get just th...
did you make and equip your shield and damage module in synth?
you showed everything but modules...
craggy tusk
did you make and equip your shield and damage module in synth?
upto red yes
it shows it in the pins under the synth
harsh fable
thta only shows you crafted... not that they are equiped or not
craggy tusk
fair
harsh fable
youd be surprised how many people dont equip
anyways if your still in challenge youre wasting alot of time.. as you can only keep crafting...
come back later..
craggy tusk
By the way, big fan of 0-hero guide.
harsh fable
also,.. instead of synth lab... if you have resource refinery... it will help get some extra lvls on reactor...
synth lab has no effect in challenge
craggy tusk
I'm upto research station
harsh fable
By the way, big fan of 0-hero guide.
Thank you
plain linden
Not sure how I missed this for so long, but Synth challenge 3 is missing from this graph, and on the top it's labeled "synth_challenge2000000000001"
halcyon sun
Game says I could do synth4. I don't trust it anymore after synth 3
harsh fable
lol
halcyon sun
I got synth 4 under 2h
fickle saddle
close to synth 4? flex shard not equipped
harsh fable
close to synth 4? flex shard not equipped
clever mica
yippee, synth 1 complete, and in under 5 hours with a trash ship loadout
short stag
going for synth 4, do i go with 2x v3 beam + 4x v3 gatling + 3x continuous + enhanced reactor +resource refinery?
actually uh, utility doesnt do anything, derp
10mins synth 4
short crow
hi there when should i do synth 2 ?
harsh fable
when you have +output of near infinfinite
on tier above previous challenge
but rather '
check pins...
its by synth speed
clever mica
oh interesting
synth one recommends t2 inf
i did it with only t1 inf
btw is there a synth module unlocked later on?
rip
harsh fable
clever mica
interesting, might write one, ty
would want to get more experience in the game before i start actually suggesting things
cant really say if its something the game is missing when ive barely played 1% of it
if that
eternal carbon
did synth 5 in 1.5hrs with 5.35e16 speed (quite a bit less than recommended)
stark flax
how much speed should I be at to do synth 3?
harsh fable
how much speed should I be at to do synth 3?
check the pins?
mellow pivot
what's the best think to keep crafting for stat optimization? or i want to craft a bit of everything
harsh fable
i just craft the 3 materials for shield/damage and then the high lvl aloys..
you can use damage and shield module so craft and upgrade them
long bear
Dont Forget To Turn Them ON
lyric kestrel
Dont Forget To Turn Them ON
🤔
long bear
They are auto off when u start the challange
lyric kestrel
yeah ik
lost flame
whats required for synth 1?
lost flame
ty
harsh fable
ty
oh, in game... when you have the raw stat number coresponding to a particular challenge... the button will flash green at you...
thats indication youre "able" to achieve success... doesnt mean it will be easy
fluid fern
man
fluid fern
nah i assumed you cant make mods i didnt try
lets see how it goes
and do you want to run everything with fastest fire rate and shield regen
the tips for this challenge raise so many questions
"choose weapons and shields based on otther stats"
ok i beat it
ty
was running 2 gatling, 1 beam, and 2 regen shields the right idea?
charge laser would just suck in this challenge if Im reading that tip right
harsh fable
1 beam rest gattling or 2 beam rest gatling is best... as damage is based on materials crafted...
same with shields you want contious because regen rate is constant and hp amount is based on materials/
halcyon sun
whats required for synth 1?
The challenge page says recommended stuff for each challenge's first level
near junco
I have all 4 slots, 2 of them have smart option, do I just make T1 and T2 alloy with the 2 small ones and the high-end shit with the big boys?
harsh fable
no.
focus on materials for damage and shield module... craft and upgrade said damage and shiekd module (equip them) they work in challenge
near junco
I know, I'm going for those as well as reactor power for extra synth speed
harsh fable
dont need all that
near junco
welp, I just ended the challenge I was doing...
harsh fable
just work your way up tier of dmage/shield and you should breeze through'
near junco
I just breezed through
and my shard weren't even in the right place
yes I only noticed now
keen abyss
I'm getting near being able to infinite all of T3. Would it be a good time to start synth 2 or is that too early?
I started Synth 1 wayyy too early and it took me like 5/6 hours, I don't want to do that again
harsh fable
look at pins for synth speed...
keen abyss
I mean so far pushing sector is all I've been doing
I'm still quite early game so I need to unlock stuff
It will come eventually, I just wanted to have an idea before diving in a very long grind
turbid field
Looking at the chart in pins, what madlad did Synth 3 in s21 and Synth 4 in s27?
turbid field
There we go, synth 2 in an hour
1200 synth power, t3 l8 laser/shield
Smart crafting is GOAT
lyric kestrel
also, what idiot did Synth 1 on S50?
probably someone who has prestigephobia
lethal citrus
tranquil spear
After maxing out your weapons and shields in Synth, what is really the best thing to just mass produce? Conductive Alloys of highest tier you can produce quickly? Just normal Alloys of highest tier that you can produce quickly?
harsh fable
i just leav it on the 3 materials for shield and damage, and the 4th on alloys
of the thier below "max" because of speed
meager loom
I just got all T4 infinite and have a few levels bits of T5, I have 4th synth slot and all research how long would the level 3 challenge take (to defeat the level 20 boss)?
elfin cove
im at 16a in 10 minutes with only 3 synth slots
tranquil spear
I don't know how long exactly, but when I finish it today, I was at 2.38e8 for weapons and shields on the synth page, but that was like 18 hours or so with 3 slots instead of 4.
That includes 2 levels in T5 damage, but none in shields that I remember.
And that is just barely abled to. One more hit and I would have died.
elfin cove
im at 16a in 10 minutes with only 3 synth slots
yeah 7 hours and 20 minutes later you definitely need like the middle of t5 at least, im only up to 18 now
meager loom
Thanks, first ones were pretty quick but I figured it would be hours, nice bonus though
unkempt sandal
grinding the first one or two levels of orange modules is doable while waiting for the 2,65e8 and makes it really easy to beat sector 20 boss.
short stag
e24 is an overkill btw
molten zinc
vast quail
lyric kestrel
sp5 with 2e22 synth speed is a bit overkill
never stopped advancing
velvet violet
i have e19 speed, stucked in the final boss (s33), do you recommend me 33A or B?? and which is the best setup for my ship??
lyric kestrel
i have e19 speed, stucked in the final boss (s33), do you recommend me 33A or B?...
(recommended 5e23 speed)
velvet violet
okk ty 😄
short crow
how the heck should i do S2 ?
i have infinite T4
what materials should i focus on ?
lyric kestrel
i have infinite T4
do you have 2000 synth speed(without using advanced synth station)
short crow
yes
omg im just soo bad i didn't realized that the modules can work in the challange..... im sooo bad 😄
short crow
do you have 2000 synth speed(without using advanced synth station)
what speed needed to S3 ? 😄
long bear
what speed needed to S3 ? 😄
3e5 synth speed +4th slot ~1h or less
zenith summit
what do i need for the last challenge?
harsh fable
harsh fable
what do i need for the last challenge?
5e22+ speed, without synth lab
zenith summit
5e22+ speed, without synth lab
is the synth lab available in the challenge?
zenith summit
well only 3e22
harsh fable
can be done at e22 but would take more time
zenith summit
can be done at e22 but would take more time
jeah, trying to get ME and CS to mastery 2 first
zenith summit
best weapon setup for the challenge?
lyric kestrel
all gatling, but also use 1 beam if boss is regen
zenith summit
all gatling, but also use 1 beam if boss is regen
thx, finally last synth challenge is over
stark flax
the game said I was good enough to beat synth purity 3. but I don't know how to get past 1e8 strength
long bear
u dont need 1e8
stark flax
as in I wonder what production I'm missing because instead of the 1e12/13 I need, I'm getting 1e8 on stats
vocal marten
is Synth Challange 5 possible with 3.08e20 Synth SPeed?
i have T7 finished
and also what Ship Comp would be good? 2 Beams 4 Gatling laser + 3 con. Generator?
vocal marten
yes it is possible. Took me like 5 min
loud blade
is deflector any good in synth purity 4
unkempt sandal
what should i craft
automator chips and regulators for example are what i did, they aren't used in any other recipes, they are end products in each Tier respectively and as such the stats you gain from them will not be lost
but yeah smart crafting looks good for it and white bars on the non-smart crafter
charred briar
whats the loadout for synth 4? all gatlings + beam and continuous?
tacit fractal
How long should synth 1 take?
haughty solar
i think i waited too long for S5 lol im capping the grey synth on challenge lol
haughty solar
whats the loadout for synth 4? all gatlings + beam and continuous?
yeah, always the same build, remember to use the highest Tier available
agile spade
stable grotto
There we go, synth purity 4 done. Offense & defense modules were level 3
bright venture
There we go, synth purity 4 done. Offense & defense modules were level 3
Similar stats, done in half an hour.
next steeple
what weapons do you lads recommand for the challenge?
lyric kestrel
what weapons do you lads recommand for the challenge?
damage is overridden so full gatling
next steeple
is the damage from bases also overwritten ? crystal speed for synth ?
lyric kestrel
wait
lyric kestrel
is the damage from bases also overwritten ? crystal speed for synth ?
base 1 has no effect but base 3 has
next steeple
Ah, okay, thank you so much for the input, so I should just attmept the challenge level 1 with gatling
The shield choice is two bulk, right?
lyric kestrel
The shield choice is two bulk, right?
shields are also overridden so bulk has exactly the same amount of shields as continuous
2 continuous is better
next steeple
probably the king that made this room should add these details in pinned
molten yarrow
its almost as if it is already
limber pebble
There we go, synth purity 4 done. Offense & defense modules were level 3
what out of reactor, ||unbound || research, void device, and warp gives the biggest impact on synth speed, Im at 9.7e8 right now and want as much as possible
bright venture
Warp felt like it was giving the most for me.
But your mileage may differ based on how you were playing the game up to this point.
limber pebble
Synth shard is IV maxed (5x), with synth station its 1e9 but im leveling my reactor rn so I have reactor station
reactor synth level with only synth is around 150, research is ||unbound|| at around 2.2x
essense is all the basic ones maxed until the materials improvement which is level
limber pebble
Then push research.
Ill get on it thanks
next steeple
how much value you need to finish the synth 1 challenge? i only manage to take the shield down off the enemy
thanks for the help in advance
next steeple
first two yes
lyric kestrel
what weapons
next steeple
3 x gatling laser
lyric kestrel
also do you have green materials infinited
next steeple
Why so? Would it granted me t2 stuff directly in the challenge?
lyric kestrel
in your screenshot your modules are maxed t1 so see if you can upgrade them
lyric kestrel
.
so you have to upgrade alloy more outside of challenge to make it not cost salvage
next steeple
OOOOOOOOOOH!
I will keep it in mind for synth level 2 challenge, no point to restart now since I can nearly kill it
lyric kestrel
for synth 2 you have to go much further
next steeple
Yeah, but I assume the basics are still the same
lyric kestrel
yes
limber pebble
not relevant to any particular discussion but make sure you guys get the smart synth for all 4 slots
lunar holly
whats the recommended loadout, is it 1 beam rest gat with continous? or 2 beams and rest gat?
limber pebble
full gat full continuous or 2 beat rest gat full continuous I think
hollow juniper
18 minutes for Synth challenge 4, Thanks for all your input in this thread.
proud basin
At something like 5e22 S5 already only limited by my input lol
(just did it and found out we don't really need 5e23
bronze widget
4
tacit fractal
is it 1x beam 3x gattling for synth 4?
cobalt crane
personally, I'd use 2 beams and 2 gatlings
west canyon
silly question but how is damage and shield calculated - is it by how many mats i have or how many i have made all in all that run
rare vine
how many you have. you can watch the stat drop as you craft some of the high end modules and such pretty easy
west canyon
@rare vine thx 🙂 then i might aswell just start doing it
unkempt sandal
i just finished snyth 5 withing 35minutes and only 3e19 snyth speed
i thought it would take me at least 2-3 hours
modules tier 7
west canyon
what weapons should i use for the first challenge ?
lyric kestrel
i just finished snyth 5 withing 35minutes and only 3e19 snyth speed
yeah synth 5 in pins is very overkill
unkempt sandal
what weapons should i use for the first challenge ?
made me think, i retrofitted into one laser beam to prevent shield. I don't know how much difference that made
west canyon
@unkempt sandal yaaa i went whit lvl 2 kinetic cannons cause i dident think about it before starting thats why i asked since i have the retro fit 😄 😄 but i got the first 1 done 🙂
unkempt sandal
<@655803182076919820> yaaa i went whit lvl 2 kinetic cannons cause i dident thin...
also if you can use higher tier weapons since the base stats are better and you can't improve those (range)
hollow juniper
Mental note from earlier synths... Remember to build modules.. Finally doing Synth 5, going good, get stuck.. wait .. still stuck.. waiting.. stuck.. Clicking into modules.. Doooooooooh... instant finish of S5.. So for everyone that is as forgetful as I am when doing this.. Remember to build modules..
plucky ice
Is synth 2 possible when you have tier 2 recipes infinite?
cobalt crane
the pins here say you should have at least 2000 synth speed (without synth station) in order to do synth 2 in 1-3 hours. I think that's around the time T3 recipes are maxed
fluid fern
will I beat #3 if I'm maxed on purple mods and the wave 20 boss is unkillable
I just spam t1 bars and wait?
or try to get some orange?
cobalt crane
I think you want to make some of the higher tier recipes because their multipliers are bigger. But I'm not entirely sure about that
dry scroll
how do I see the first message on this thread?
I can't reach it, and it started at the bottom
lyric kestrel
I can't reach it, and it started at the bottom
#1087075522816770118 message
west canyon
@cobalt crane damn 2k :S :S at the moment iam at like 200 :S :S and almost done whit t3 damn i need to upgrade my reactor ALOT :S :S
clever mica
synth 4 sub 20 synth speed 1.6e11
hearty agate
Thanks for sharing so that I don't start a run an hour before I have to sleep with about 4.7 e10 speed
sudden ridge
Hi, so .. well. Doing this challenge, maybe too soon, so I'm missing something, but it looks like the math behind this challenge isn't right.
Example. If you have maxed T1, the alloy takes 1,5s, circuit 2s takes 1 alloy, and Focuser and Booster both same 15s taking 10 alloys (all times without bonuses). So, basically having two synths, you can do:
60/1,5*2 = 80 alloys per minute
OR
60/1,5/3 = 16,6 alloys AND 60/2 = 30 circuits per minute
OR
60/15= 4 focusers/boosters per minute
I've applied the described equation which leads me that the differences between productions are so small, that it's only worth making anything than alloys for a few minutes and it's not even worth anything at T2.
I would say that it would start making sense if it counts with manufactured materials and not stored, but right now, it seems to be broken to me. What am I missing?
spice frigate
@sudden ridge if you produce 1 thing the efficiency is going to get lower as the times goes
instead of producing 1 thing for 30 mins you can produce 6 different thing for 5 mins and your average efficiency is going to be 30% instead of 21% and this means you're going to be 43% more stronger if you do 6 item for 5 min instead of 1 item for 30 min
sudden ridge
<@308912665848184832> if you produce 1 thing the efficiency is going to get lowe...
wait .. what do you mean efficiency goes down by time? I didn't experience such thing as numbers match exactly stored materials.
Problem with swapping is that on paper, it would increase overall stats, but it consumes previously created material, so basically decreasing stats.
spice frigate
@sudden ridge i'm doing synth 3 right now and as you can see 64 ultra alloy gave me 3.06e6 and if you look at the second screenshot i have 144 ultra alloys if efficiency stayed same i need to get 6,885e6 [(144/64)*3.06e6=6,885e6] but instead of it gave me 5,85e6 because efficiency lowered and the more i'm gonna get the lower efficiency gonna be
sudden ridge
<@308912665848184832> i'm doing synth 3 right now and as you can see 64 ultra a...
yes, that's what exponent in equation does, but it's not on single build, but whole run
my point is that yes, you'll get better values for some time, but based on chart and T1 materials, it's not like 15/15/15/15 minutes, but more like 57/1/1/1
spice frigate
yes, that's what exponent in equation does, but it's not on single build, but wh...
i made a chart for alloy and focuser and i calculated efficiency for stat per second and after 10 min focuser is better than alloy
and for focuser i calculated time for 10 alloy + 15 sec for total of 30 seconds
.
sudden ridge
I'm sorry, but I can't see it is better .. I can still see in the table that focuser is worse for each given time
Also formula works for me .. not sure what you mean by multiplier, but base craft time is 5 for alloy/circuit and 60 for focuser/booster
spice frigate
yeah it's worse than alloy at start but after 10 mins focuser is better than
spice frigate
Also formula works for me .. not sure what you mean by multiplier, but base craf...
for me it's 1.5 sec for alloy and 10 sec for focuser
sudden ridge
for me it's 1.5 sec for alloy and 10 sec for focuser
I mean .. base time on level 0
spice frigate
yeah i get it after you mentined it :d
sudden ridge
yeah it's worse than alloy at start but after 10 mins focuser is better than
HOW?
time 600 ..
alloy 0,11/s
focuser 0,07/s
how is 0,07 better than 0,11? 😮
spice frigate
it's total crafting time for the item
sudden ridge
I mean .. it will be better on tier 2+ because of multiplier and making stuff basically for free, but first synth is obviously meant to be 97% alloy
spice frigate
what i mean is after you produced alloy for 600 sec it's better for you to produce focuser for 60 sec
sudden ridge
yes, now it makes a sense .. still it's not 1:1
spice frigate
yeah it's not
but it's still better than producing 1 item for the entire run
it's kinda my bad for the misunderstanding my english is not very good so i was kinda limited by my english
sudden ridge
well, same here .. I mean .. it would make sense to leave it during night on alloys only and in the morning just add few of everything else
spice frigate
it shouldn't take that long
sudden ridge
Well .. my synth speed isn't so high .. it took me 5 hrs today to realize I can't beat it easily, so recommendation is really to grind first
lean ingot
synth 2 is killing me. I can't beat sector 14 boss. 3936 synth speed, currently have 6.35e6 dam/shield from synth materials. reactor set to synth speed(7), damage (7) and shields (4). 4 gattlings as i've seen suggested. bulk shields.
lyric kestrel
(reactor damage/shield has no effect)
lean ingot
ya i was just hoping at this point
hearty agate
What tier materials do you have what are you using the best possible damage/shield modules?
Also, I’m pretty sure optimal weapons are one beam, many gatlings if you aren’t using that
The beam is for regen boss if there is one
lean ingot
i tried beam and 3 gatlings last night with no luck. saw a comment of 4 gatlings for boss so I tried that this morning
lean ingot
ya 1%
hearty agate
What do your modules look like?
lean ingot
2 regen delay
hearty agate
What tier damage and shields?
lean ingot
2.0 weapons. 1.0 bulk
lean ingot
tier 1, wasn't sure if I should "waste" materials on upgrading
lean ingot
damn. i should of thought of that. thanks!
hearty agate
Np
hearty agate
Yeah, the modules are def important
spice frigate
synth 4 15 min synth speed 1.55e11
unborn ocean
hey, what weapons would you require for synth purity 3 please?
mortal rain
vivid coral
What's the plan for Synth 2?
Afraid I'm not seeing a good clear cut thing so far... unless I'm blind.
sudden ridge
Synth 4 in 11 min with synth speed 8.83e10
2e9 without reactor, with void device shards
lyric kestrel
I'm looking at starting Synth 2, not sure if I'm ready for it though
2000 synth speed without synth utility core?
vivid coral
I'm sitting at 1466.35 with it, but the S.Speed core is at +1.2
I don't have the synth speed shards on right now either.
The synth speed shards give me 4630.85 with the current core.
vivid coral
Ah, ok.
So, looks like... if I take out the core boosts... 934.79?
Not 100% sure how the math works on this.
lyric kestrel
yeah about that range
vivid coral
Okay, so I got a bit of a ways to go before tackling Synth 2.
Sorry for the dumb question then.
tawny laurel
I feel like I'm missing something in doing these efficiently? It took me longer and I had lower overall synth materials, higher synth speed, and I had to upgrade damage module to second level in order to do it
warm fern
just finished synth purity 4, ended with 3.5e10 synth speed and 42.5 minutes for reference
sudden ridge
yes, upgrading attack/defense modules is must have as it gives best base values , also, lot of people forget to optimize void device and reactor and uses wrong weapons .. also, keep in mind that you can retrofit without any issue to beat final level
jagged iris
lofty spire
just finished synth purity 4, ended with 3.5e10 synth speed and 42.5 minutes for...
what eapons did you use? 2 beams 4 gat?
lyric kestrel
1 is enough
warm fern
what eapons did you use? 2 beams 4 gat?
1 beam 5 gatlings
vivid coral
Synth 3 done in 51 minutes.
fierce cave
synth 5 in 11min, because I'm an idiot that waited too long to do it XD @8.6e23 synth speed
sacred coyote
I'm looking to tackle synth 1, what are good requirements to not get stuck/waste a lot of time trying this out?
long bear
I'm looking to tackle synth 1, what are good requirements to not get stuck/waste...
t2 all infinite should give ya plenty of speed
sacred coyote
t2 all infinite should give ya plenty of speed
I'm fairly new, not sure what this means
long bear
show me your synth screen and i should be able to work it out
sacred coyote
long bear
no not yet then if you hover over the item being synthed it should tell you the lvl up at the max lvl it says infinite you need to wait for all the green ones to become max lvl
sacred coyote
but the actual challenge says that all infinites won't work
or am I missing something?
cobalt crane
most other milestone bonuses work in the challenge, whether it's cost reductions, time reductions, unlocked modules, and unlocked materials
vivid coral
Having them maxed seems to help out a lot, especially since you can use the resulting synth points to improve your stats. Also, making sure you have the synth gems installed helps too.
cobalt crane
yup, and there's also the reactor boost to synth
odd lake
Hey :D
Just wanted to ask for an opinion on wether or not i am doing alright - have been looking on this page alot and when i see the thousands of synth speed you guys are operating with, i feel maybe that i am doing something wrong. Curent total playtime is 11 days, and i have now 133 synth speed (max sector is 24). Is that where i "should" be, or am i doing something wrong? (tried synth 2 challenge, but no chance) (p.s. all t2 is infinite) (p.p.s. using both synth shards)
cobalt crane
synth purity 2 requires 2000 synth speed without using synth station. Also, there's a reactor boost to synth
odd lake
I think i have neglected the reactor :P Tried boosting it with some modules to get the multipliers up on synth, and already at 334 after 5min of upgrading it :D
steep rivet
How does one synth T3 components during the challenge? It says it requires salvage, but of course you get no salvage during the challenge.
^ specifically powered alloy
lyric kestrel
level it up
steep rivet
but i have to end the challenge. would have been nice to know before i ran this for 2 days...
sweet hinge
what do i synth during the challenge? just the highest material i can synth at that point?
lyric kestrel
make the modules and equip them
sweet hinge
ahh i forgor 💀 thanks
west canyon
can the 4 challenge be done whit only 2.5e9 synth speed ?
cobalt crane
you can easily do the first 3 synth purity challenges with that much synth speed, assuming that's without synth station. The 4th one needs at least 1e10 synth speed, so that it takes about 3 hours
west canyon
@cobalt crane iam at 5e9 not soooo i should be able to do challenge in 6 hours i guess :S :S
cobalt crane
if you're willing to do it even though it'll take 6 hours, go ahead
west canyon
at the moment iam just playing casualy anyway sooo i dont see why not :S :S iam gonna try
tawny laurel
Quite the finish for No. 4
hard escarp
the game started flashing the challenges tab and saying I probably have what I need to do the synth 1 challenge after I unlocked the advanced synth station
but as far as I can tell that doesn't actually help with the challenge
should I have waited until maxed t2 modules like the challenge description says?
cobalt crane
yeah, I think it's better to wait until you've maxed t2 materials
hard escarp
guess I gotta go hunt for some more synth speed upgrades
is there a list of module unlock requirements anywhere?
I noticed two modules listed under synth in the stat maxing cheat sheet that I haven't found yet
cobalt crane
looks like there's no list for that
humble talon
How do I beat challenge 1? I can't understand the materials thing
Should I just put something on synthing just 1 kind of material?
Also, do modules stay at T2 if I've unlocked 10/10 on them?
Or they go back to 1/10?
cobalt crane
if you got infinite production on the necessary materials for a particular module, then that module's level will be maxed automatically. This also applies with higher tier materials and modules.
However, in this challenge, infinite production is disabled. So you gotta make materials and level up modules manually.
A simple approach to this challenge is to just make alloys for the stats, and the other necessary materials to level up the damage and shield modules.
ember cosmos
I know it was 7 hours ago but also for Synth challenge, gotta remember to upgrade and actually re-equip your modules
But that was said already
I forget it almost every time XD
ember imp
Hi, I'm attempting synth purity 4 with beam laser 3 and 5x gatling laser, continuous generators. It has been almost 6 hrs though. and I can't get the last boss's health lower than 75%
is my setup wrong?
unborn ocean
Is that enough to go for synth purity 4? 👀
lyric kestrel
yes
unborn ocean
thanks
unborn ocean
yay we done
unborn ocean
Hi, I'm attempting synth purity 4 with beam laser 3 and 5x gatling laser, contin...
you should be fine I just did it with 6 gatling
ember imp
Yeah I did it eventually
waxen adder
Can anyone tell me how much synth speed i need and how far i should have leveled my recipes for the 2nd synth challenge? Currently i am on blue recipes (non yet unlimited) and fully buffed with v-device and reactors i am at round 2300 synth speed
ember imp
You need T3 infinite
red shell
You don't keep the infinite anyway so if you could get them shortly it's the same yeah?
high crane
i think it's about time to do my first synth challenge. solid blue synth across the board so, what's the recommended setup?
long bear
i think it's about time to do my first synth challenge. solid blue synth across...
how many slots you got on your base
1 or 2 beam rest gatling
high crane
how many slots you got on your base
base 1 is all full except for the last slot; base 2 has just been started
long bear
as in core sorry
main swallow
how much multiplier do i need to beat 2nd challenge?
waxen adder
2.000 withouth Core Synth station (so only VDevice and Reactor)
At 1.0E4 it was a breeze
main swallow
wait, you mean the one in synth speed in stats? I meant the one shown in the synth menu, the multiplier to my shields and weapons.
waxen shuttle
yay we done
How did you do synth 4 with your stats? These are my stats and I can barely get the boss down to half hp:
unborn ocean
switched to 6 gatlings after a while and had something like 5/10 for shields/damage
waxen shuttle
how did you get to 5/10 in 40 min?
I feel like I'm missing something here
I stopped at 3/10 but I'll try going up to 5/10
unborn ocean
I had way more upgrdes than you tho
waxen shuttle
ya but your synth speed is 1/2 of mine, which is why I don't really understand. I guess if you leveled up your materials you could craft them much faster
oh but you probably also swapped out your synth shard when you fought the boss
i see. I'm just underleveled
unborn ocean
nah I'm lazy af and don't really manage my shards :X
waxen shuttle
there we go, got to 4/10, swapped to battle shard on red with green link and did it
shadow plume
Load out for Synth 3?
waxen adder
1 beam 3 gatling 2x continous shield in tier 2.0 all
near junco
Has anyone ever beaten 74 under challenge?
trail estuary
loadout for synth 5?
lyric kestrel
1 beam rest gatling
trail estuary
thanks
rich kestrel
How about a synth 2 loadout? Got 6k synth speed so should be able to clear it, but I'm a bit confused over the damage/shield value warning on the challenge page. Does that basically mean there's no difference between picking the 1.0 or 2.0 versions of them?
Anyway, I assume it's just 4 beams, 2 bulk then synth and reactor labs?
shadow plume
Since damage and shields are based on synth mats you equip what ever has the highest tick/fire rate should be beams and continuous shields (ps higher tier weapons have slightly higher range). There's no salvage so synth and reactor labs are pointless unless you want to switch to a normal run and save a reset.
gray bronze
For synth purity 4, should i have 1e10/11 synth speed WITHOUT the advanced synth station upgrades?
shadow plume
For synth purity 4, should i have 1e10/11 synth speed WITHOUT the advanced synth...
Without synth station or reactor boosts since you cant upgrade either.
modern depot
Hey sorry just sorta confused about challenges, the light is flashing green for it which suggested I should start the challenge but now that im reading everything I think maybe im too far behind? What is the green light based on
vivid coral
What's the synth multi I should be looking at for Synth 5?
shadow plume
According to the pinned posted e23 to do it in ~25 mins.
high crane
synth 2 is killing me. sitting on lvl 13 w/5k synth generation and...I'm getting smoked. help!!!
high crane
synth 2 is killing me. sitting on lvl 13 w/5k synth generation and...I'm gettin...
does Void have any impact on synth in the challenge?
ornate turtle
Is there a calculator or recommended craft target for each Synth challenge?
I'm on S4, and am at ~2 hours with 6.31e11 material power
ornate turtle
does Void have any impact on synth in the challenge?
The Synth Reactor Boost does.
ornate turtle
All I can say is WOW that was a rough one
Details for Synth 4 Challenge:
||I was at level 2 on the red tier weapon / shield upgrades, and synth'd to 2.71e12 power using 6 gattling lasers and 3 fast regen shields.||
You can see this took ~5.50 hrs to complete with my setup and Synth speed. Your mileage may vary.
high crane
lvl 2 took me ~2.5hrs so I've got some work to do.
quasi prism
is that your synth speed without shards and synth station?
ornate turtle
is that your synth speed without shards and synth station?
That is without the Synth station, since it can't be used during the Challenge.
However, I did have both Synth shards slotted at that time.
4.29e9
sterile plume
And Synth 5 done with
how to done this properly ?
lyric kestrel
...click on start challenge
sterile plume
...click on start challenge
im still at that challenge im 1h30min in this
im only at sector 5 cant beat the boss
quasi prism
you need to synth stuff and craft the modules
shadow plume
The main thing is get damage and shield modules maxed out at tier = challenge level +1 (need this to get your damage and shields up enough maybe even a level or 2 of the next).
The 2nd thing is stack as much of each synth mats as possible while keeping them kind of balanced for the largest boost to base damage and shields.
tawny laurel
And Synth 5 done with
how long did it take? Im at 7.26 without crew
but also synth station, so crew will balance out im sure
feral yoke
stuck on 32A boss.
inner loom
what's the loadout for synth purity 26?
lyric kestrel
wow we are doing 5th completion and youre doing 26th
1 beam rest gatling
inner loom
lmao thanks, sorry i couldn't remember the name of completions
what about shields just continuous i reckon not deflector?
lyric kestrel
yeah just continuous
inner loom
oh wow i was using missiles lol this is 10x better
should have known since no upgrades
damn, so close
waxen osprey
holy i thought synth 4 would be hard but i just destroyed it
I didn't even craft any sensor, stabilizer, regulator levels
maybe i can rush synth 5?
dusk hazel
What's the reason for the statistical deviation in the graph for completions of SP3 and 4?
I just can't even wrap my head around doing synth 4 at sector 27 lol
hasty olive
when should i start the synth challenge 2
check pinned
sterile plume
check pinned
with 2k syth speed ?
hasty olive
with 2k syth speed ?
nah, I mean this
#1087075522816770118 message
lyric kestrel
divide by 11.43
cinder saffron
oh core mult duh
also materials engineer
so it's 11.7
I have almost 4 times the overshoot suggestion for challenge 4 whoops
and I can't do it for like 8 hours because I'm mastering energy tech
shadow plume
Synth purity 5 when should I attempt? I know the pinned post say e23 for 15 mins.
sterile plume
Synth purity 5 when should I attempt? I know the pinned post say e23 for 15 mins...
in synth purity 2 you need 2k synth speed outside the challenge or inside ?
sterile plume
how much synth speed you got outside the challenge ?
small matrix
in synth purity 2 you need 2k synth speed outside the challenge or inside ?
its inside challenge
copper perch
Synth Purity 3 says it can be done properly now, but I can't seem to find any guides on that challenge here, just for base and whatnot.
What's the best setup/synth speed for that?
shadow plume
4 Synths slots and tier 4 materials infinate should have you be fine for it.
copper perch
4 Synths slots and tier 4 materials infinate should have you be fine for it.
I was able to get it done, I take it I want whatever "Crew" is for the next level.
shadow plume
You can do synth 4 before crew just need synth speed at ~1e10
karmic isle
Im doing synth purity 1 right now. Should I be buying modules too, or would it be a waste of materials?
wary oyster
Damage and shields module yes, and maybe reactor to boost synth speed some more
shadow plume
damage and shield module to buff your damage and shield power (without these it's next to impossible) plus void matter and power generator modules to buff reactor which in turn buffs synth speed.
grizzled shell
About when can I do SP5?
karmic isle
This pinned message, why is continuous shield better than bulk?
lyric kestrel
This pinned message, why is continuous shield better than bulk?
your shield amount is overridden so bulk provides the exact same amount of shields as continuous
karmic isle
I see, okay
terse ingot
weapon
rain junco
Hi, I'm having some trouble getting past about sector 4 for the first synth purity challenge
I assume I need some sort of.. increase to my synth speed
But I'm not sure how to get that
I recall seeing it double occasionally thanks to a "void energy" boost or something but.. yeah
I don't have the tier two materials maxed in terms of level yet either
hollow solar
Hi, I'm having some trouble getting past about sector 4 for the first synth puri...
flex shard on orange, synth shard on red, and make sure to craft your damage/shield modules, the rest is about building up enough stats to beat the boss
the recommendation for tier 2 infinite means you have enough synth speed to complete the challenge, only having them halfway means you don't have the full bonus speed for each craft
rain junco
Okayokay, thanks
shadow plume
Rough guide line is if start normal runs with weapon module at challenge level+1 you should be fine though it might take a while.
clever dew
Is 5e23 still recommended for challenge 5?
hollow solar
well, at least e23, doing it at e22 would be a bit sketchy
the synth challenge is a function of synth speed vs time, the more synth you have, the less time it takes
near snow
wow should have checked there first
went for second challenge with mere 100/s generation, got stuck at 12
shadow plume
wow should have checked there first
went for second challenge with mere 100/s ge...
Having infinite mats to tier= challenge level +1 is what I recommend as a basic guideline as this gives you the minimum to do it.
near snow
Having infinite mats to tier= challenge level +1 is what I recommend as a basic ...
so infinite tier 3 for SP2? yeah it looks close to what i assume
brave vault
so I should attempt sp4 now that I have infinite t5?
torpid tinsel
how much synth speed is ok for Synth2?
lyric kestrel
how much synth speed is ok for Synth2?
5000 synth speed without advanced synth station(core utility)
hasty olive
current at s35.
Just completed sp3 with 3 slots and synth MK2 warp tree.
It takes 5 hours.
deft crystal
i have finished t2 synth and wanted to the first challange for synth. which weapons should i go with?
i unlocked these(i would go with v1 because i can't get to level 60 on v2 yet)
deft crystal
also do i want to upgrades modules or just spam materials?
cobalt crane
you don't get salvage in this challenge, and weapons of a higher tier tend to have higher range. So I'd use V2.0 weapons and shields anyway. As for weapon choices, I'd go 1 beam and 2 gatlings.
Focus on damage and shield modules, then make a lot of alloys.
deft crystal
thanks
inner loom
What's the synth 5 loadout?
same as 4 I reckon?
I've got 2.34 e13 speed as well
Is that enough for 5?
high crane
what's the synth loadout for Synth 4? need to get it done
high crane
nevermind. finished in ~21m 😉
near snow
nevermind. finished in ~21m 😉
care to share your synth speed and layout?
brave vault
nvm i rolled it
high crane
care to share your synth speed and layout?
hey Lazybun, I was at something like 7e10 or so? I've also got a ton of research poured into Unbounded Synth speed (which was a x6.5 or so kicker)
near snow
wow thats slow
i finished mine in the meanwhile anyway, pushed it a bit further
to like 4e11
brave vault
synth 4 @6e10 took me something like 18 minutes
normal slate
I want to scream, I was stuck in synth 5 wondering why i have 3 OOM over the pin but I cant move through sector 33
and its because I didnt have the modules equipped
thorny smelt
I want to scream, I was stuck in synth 5 wondering why i have 3 OOM over the pin...
Oh well, you just solved me problem ^^' thanks
twin root
Do you need red synth materials for synth purity 4?
Or 5 for that matter, but I'm aiming just for beating 4
normal slate
5 is quite a bit away
i overshot it by a bunch but it would be around the time you start grey if i estimate it right
normal slate
I dont really remember 4, pinned comment says have about synth speed 1e10
twin root
mine is like e9 without synth utility
maybe I can get it to e10 once I manage to get this T5 synth shard (which means I'd have to be able to chill in s48)
normal slate
if you put it off till 51 then you'll unlock something that might speed it up more but not sure if it will take you that long to be e10-e11 synth speed
twin root
I see I see
reef path
SP4 done in 15mins on 5.68e10 synth speed
deft crystal
SP4 done in 15mins on 5.68e10 synth speed
what weapons did you use if you don't mind me asking
reef path
what weapons did you use if you don't mind me asking
iirc 2 beam and 4 gatlings, all v3 (afaik it doesnt really matter tho)
deft crystal
i saw the 5.xxe10 and saw my 3.xxe10 and went for it. took me 3 hours because i forgot that i had the synth core on at that time my speed withought was only around 9.9e9 😄
bleak swallow
i have t7 infinite, but i still don't feel like i could do SP5 in a reasonable amount of time
unless i'm just doing it wrong, lmfao
reef path
SP4 done in 15mins on 5.68e10 synth speed
now this is a good reference for myself because lost save and got set back to sector ~49
bleak swallow
what is the minimum synth speed you'll need to be able to get to, to do SP5?
lyric kestrel
5e23 without advanced synth station in 15 minutes
bleak swallow
aight, so, the fact that i can get 3e19, with the advance synth station, means it aint gonna happen
lemme see what i can do with material engineer, and cyber specialist both equipped, instead of energy tech, and IE
lyric kestrel
SP is one where even if it blinks you might not be ready
bleak swallow
yeah, it blinked, but, i wasn't
lyric kestrel
huh
bleak swallow
to be fair, my crew still has a hard time on the lower levels getting high enough to be useful
so i mighta been good, when i was at s63, but after the challenge reset no longer was
twin root
Realized I don't need energy technician rn, I can get more than enough power as is rn
bleak swallow
mhm, i'm in the same boat, was just getting it to the next couple ranks, which i could do in less than an hour, then was gonna switch it out
30 minutes from rank 30, then it's getting switched
twin root
one of the base 4 upgrades does make it seem like max vp might contribute to smth so when that happens it'll likely be worthwhile to get ET
bleak swallow
it seems like it basically removes the cap on the power upgrades, so they go up to the limit of your power generation
from context
plus something else
dunno what
twin root
some bonus scaling
which I assume is some bonus that scales with max vp, bc otherwise max vp would be literally useless outside of power hungry's endless mode
well other than the 3 upgrades on the top left of reactor tab
bleak swallow
mhm, not sure what it'll do, but looking forward to it
lyric kestrel
some bonus scaling
starting from e50 max vp
twin root
noted
west canyon
is there anypoint in going further then sector 33 in the sythn challenge ?
west canyon
thx no need to flex just wondered 😄
sterile crater
anyone know what multiplier is needed for sp1? trying to gauge whether it's worth attempting this or not on my current speeds and levels. like if its gonna take more than a hour i should stop now
sterile crater
better question - what synth speed is good for sp1?
twin root
Refer to this pinned message
Although note that synth utility won’t work due to no salvage
Fuck I pinged
Oops
Though whatever your current speed is should be fine if you have T2 materials infinite
sterile crater
yea im a few hours away from t2 material inf but since everything else is listed in synth speeds i wondered what the recommended speed was for sp1. but i should be able to do it soon so i'll report back anyways 🙂
twin root
Just make sure to put synth shard in and flex shard in orange if you have those
sterile crater
for sure. thanks!
twin root
Good luck
sterile crater
SP1 beat, minimum I needed was Tier 2 3/10 dmg/shield modules and around 2000 multiplier. Did it in 20 mins with 100-250 synth speed (depended on reactor etc). Just in case anyone else looks it up! 🙂
cerulean light
I´m doing Synth Purity 3 now. I just finished all T4 recepies to infinite. S34 and started SP3. I thought I´m overprepared for it. Orange recepies are doing extremly slow. I had 1.3e6 synth speed before start of challenge. M´I doing something wrong or low much weaker m´I for this challange now? (I´d like to know if I should stay or break chall.)
lyric kestrel
slightly overkill
cerulean light
Guide says 1h for SP3 now. I won´t finish it even in 2h for sure. Tier 4 modules are doing extremly slowly.
reef path
SP5 beaten with ~6e22 speed in under 10 mins, used 2 beams 4 gats, continous shields. damage and shield module maxed T7, Combat enhancer maxed T1
slender zodiac
Is the idea to have xx amount of every component, in return that generates power? If so I assume I should build up all blue , then green then white until the point I beat S2? I'm stuck on boss.
wary oyster
Pretty much, yeah
The boost you get from a single material has diminishing returns so you wanna spread out into all your materials
lyric elm
So for SC4 the configuration would be 2 beam 4 gattlings 3 coutinuous shields all max level, but beams or gattlings on the back of ship, does it matter ?
lyric elm
yeah it didnt actually matter much
misty widget
What should I prioritize making*
twin root
items with a higher base synth time give more, but only focus on piling materials after getting your modules as high as you can
lyric linden
Is it safe to assume that if you are running the Synth utility module that the Challenges tab can give you a false positive about your ability to succeed?
twin root
I think so yeah
hard orchid
SP4 done in 15mins on 5.68e10 synth speed
3e10 speed, same module levels (lvl 6 offense and 4 defense), 1,5hours in and can make the boss health bar barely under half ... must be doing something extremely wrong
finally, pushed the multiplier a bit more and more lucky encounter guess
real condor
when doing this challange what type of creation should i focus on
wary oyster
when doing this challange what type of creation should i focus on
It's best to fill them up from the bottom to the top, so highest tier to lowest
You want lots of every material since they have very diminishing returns if you just stack up a single one
broken night
what am I doing wrong in synth3? I have 5.64e4 synth speed, but I can't seem to crack the sector 20 boss, do I need tier 5 module upgrades?
lyric kestrel
3e5 synth speed
lyric elm
It is pinned in the channel, ryan is right
broken night
thanks, the green light is super misleading because of the system
lyric kestrel
green light is because of advanced synth station
lyric elm
The math changes with Advanced Synt Station like this: Total with station / 2.25 / (synth_station_lvl*0.02 + 1)
This will give the normal output for Synth Challenge
lyric kestrel
(synth_station_lvl*0.02+1)
lyric elm
yeah my bad, fixing
i forget it occasionally
so synth station multi cant be 0 but always >=1
broken night
well, took 4 hours but wasn't that bad I suppose
solid karma
I have nowhere near 1e10 synth power for syth 4 at sector 49.
Every other challenge around that level was easy.
wispy mica
I have nowhere near 1e10 synth power for syth 4 at sector 49.
checklist:
- core utility: synth station, reactor
- v. devices: synth (red), flex (orange), power (pink, for reactor)
- reactor (remember to run a max reactor run to get those extra levels)
- research (remember to run a research run for those extra orders of magnitude)
- cash in those base 3 components stats
there's probably more i'm forgetting about
twin root
utilities wont do anything in this challenge, because no salvage
steel oxide
synth 4 done 10:52 speed 1.46 e11, wasted so much time making T6 infinite shoud've done this beforehand, oh well
stable ice
so im 1.11e11 and the synth challenge is flashing green for synth 4 , but when i prestige to start the challenge im 1.2e9.. is it lying to me??
im not sure how else i can boost my synth right now other than trying the challenge, but guide says i need to be e10!
scenic dove
so im 1.11e11 and the synth challenge is flashing green for synth 4 , but when i...
it's probably lying because it also counts your synth utility core if you're using one, but you'll have no salvage to use it while in the challenge. also you'll have less bonus from reactor until you re-upgrade your modules.
that's pretty much the same research and warp that i have (i'm running synth 4 right now with 5e10); might be a case of waiting for base 3 to grow (mine's 9.6x). maybe check that your reactor upgrades aren't really far behind and double check your shards.
twin root
yeah the synth challenge likes to flash early due to having synth utility on
stable ice
Is it 1e10 before reactor boost? 🧐
scenic dove
after
stable ice
yay im well over now 🕺
twin root
Reactor can be used
Utility can’t simply due to lack of salvage
stable ice
Yup, but wasn’t sure if the pinned synth speeds are base/before reactor multipliers
crisp sun
what do i divide my synth speed by if i want to find out what it is without the util? sorry if its somewhere obvious but i cant find it
stable ice
#1087075522816770118 message
crisp sun
ty
stable ice
personally i just back, start the challenge, let reactor run and see if it fits. if not just reload backup
crisp sun
ahh that's a good idea, thanks
simple flint
S5 done 
dim marten
Nice!
waxen thicket
so I was able to finish level 5 synth purity with 5e21 synth speed.
idk what the normal is, but I had about 100x the shield/damage as I needed.
frail olive
so it i need 2k in synth speed but how do i get that during the challenge i get it in normal mode
waxen thicket
so it i need 2k in synth speed but how do i get that during the challenge i get ...
You are getting it with the synth utility?
You have to get it without since you get no salvage.
frail olive
yes i have it and only getting 275 now
and my notice says i could get it done on challenge
but i might be too low to get it since it does say 2k to finish it
wary oyster
and my notice says i could get it done on challenge
Those like to lie, especially the synth one
frail olive
i know just want to make sure i have the tools to do it i been doing it for about 4 hours
and i think it is a was to me
i am stocking as much as i can but trying to max out my modules right now to all of them with tier 2
lyric kestrel
i know just want to make sure i have the tools to do it i been doing it for abou...
40 hours to go
frail olive
while if i have that long i will just grind and farm to get more speed
frail olive
i will stop it now and work on it in a few weeks i guess
i guess more wrap drive and more shards and other things
small gazelle
Does anyone have an estimate how long it should take me to do synth 1 challenge with a 10.49 synth speed? I know the guide says to max tier 2 materials first but that seems really far away...
But if my multiplier is way too low then I'd want to leave it now and attempt later
Just realized it said modules and not materials lol... I was almost there, does having a t2 module maxed do anything different as opposed to having it one level below max before starting the challenge?
scenic dove
Just realized it said modules and not materials lol... I was almost there, does ...
not really, you have to rebuild modules from scratch inside the challenge. the "t2 modules/materials" recommendation is a little loose; here's a bit more detail #1087075522816770118 message
10.5 speed seems too slow
small gazelle
not really, you have to rebuild modules from scratch inside the challenge. the ...
Just an update I did about 2 hours and then overnighted on the first material and had no problem finishing it in the morning
scenic dove
makes sense, if 100-250x synth speed does it in under an hour, then a speed 10x lower should do it in under ten hours. i shoulda just said that instead
red hamlet
not really, you have to rebuild modules from scratch inside the challenge. the ...
haha totally missed that i could rebuild the modules
im sitting here wondering how long this was going to take
patent saddle
S5 done <a:14pepe_duck:1222375535246577685>
what core sutup did u use? i've got 3.50e23 and got stuck at sector 31
odd sorrel
what core sutup did u use? i've got 3.50e23 and got stuck at sector 31
if he follow the guide is beam and full gatling and continuous shield
and max tier of weapon you can
patent saddle
oh wait no i realised. i forgot that you can buy synth atk/shield upgrades so i cancelled the challenge. dumb me
odd sorrel
yea all module go back to start in this challenge
fierce ember
I think I'm not gonna make aynth 4 (boss 20)
Got 3 levels on synth tier 5. 2 shot and he only loses 10% health
Doubt its worth staying
odd sorrel
it's depend of your synth speed and max tier you can do
frozen trail
is it required to max all t2 resources to do synth challenge 1?
odd sorrel
i think is better
frozen trail
i think is better
I mean yeah it is, but I'm asking if it's required to max the t2 resources first
odd sorrel
i think went i did the frist t2 was max
frozen trail
the synth challenge became green, but it didn't say that it should be doable with my current stats
as you can see:
odd sorrel
if green you can try
is tell you have enough stat for trying but sometime is wrong because you can't use core on this challenge
potent orchid
So I don’t have t2 infinite yet but I want to do this for the double xp and craft amount. What is the best build for my cruiser?
analog magnet
no salvage and the damage numbers are replaced, so beam/gattling
make more t1 bars than you'd think
like two orders of magnatude more than the next thing isn't right, but it's pretty close to right
frozen trail
highly recommended to get the shield/damage modules
keen steppe
highly recommended to get the shield/damage modules
Isn't that like the only modules u should be getting?
Also what's the recommended speed for the 3rd challenge?
harsh fable
Also what's the recommended speed for the 3rd challenge?
its in the pins
wary oyster
(and on the wiki too!)
keen steppe
~~(and on the wiki too!)~~
Can you send a link to the wiki? That sounds useful
potent orchid
When it says 2000 synth speed for synth purity 2, how can I check if I’ll have enough before prestige? Also what would a recommended build for heavy cruiser be?
harsh fable
click the links in pins.. also... its in the pins how to chk synth speed
either retrofit synth lab off.... or prestige and look at stats....
prestiging wont really hurt anything
potent orchid
Okay thanks
analog magnet
the synth lab is a core so it's the two things that say "core". Here for me it's 3.4x from the levels and 2.25x from the milestones. so my lab is giving me 7.65x
or just retrofit/prestige so it's off like dersies said
odd sorrel
retrofit for have the stat you gonna have in the challenge
marble skiff
hey huys, any advice to complete sector 14 challenge im at 2 beams/2 gatlings
analog magnet
what is your synth speed
marble skiff
im new in game basically at moment is 125.1 xD
but im here
xD
2 shoots and im dead
oh boy
hahah
analog magnet
im new in game basically at moment is 125.1 xD
yeah so, the guide says Synth Challenge 2 should take an hour and a half with 2k speed, and i do recall taking about that myself
with 125 speed it should take you 24 hours :/
so how long did that take? if it was less than 2 hours i want to know yuor strat lol
computer: enhance
still, good job lol
coral arch
wiki
mental radish
Hi guys, I know this question is probably here a lot, but can't find it, so sorry in advance:
How can I do Synth Challenge when I advanced to Tier III (purple) synth tree and production is SUPER slow. So I think, that it would be impossible to complete the challenge in some reasonable time. Is it possible to somehow downgrade Synth Tiers or some other way to IOT complete this?
lyric kestrel
purple is tier 4. tier 3 is blue
also why would you ever want to downgrade synth tier
analog magnet
Hi guys, I know this question is probably here a lot, but can't find it, so sorr...
"downgrading in synth tiers" is part of the synth challenge lol
you lose all infinites/starting amounts
and start from white
you don't need to make much of your latest unlocked tier in the challenges, just enough to build your damage and shield modules plus a bit extra
mental radish
oh I see! Thanks!
pliant mural
IS there a recommended synth speed or strategy for doing the first challenge?
harsh fable
It's posted.. on the challenge page. Speed isn't a factor for challeng 1
Materials available is. At reduced costs to make
pliant mural
Gotcha
frozen trail
am I supposed to use bulk gen or continuous?
pallid inlet
What is recommended for the second teir of synth challenge? Teir 3 modules maxed?
Nevermind lol
fierce ember
hmmm
ur T6 level 1 shields give 2e7%
mine 3e5 at lvl 2?
oh nm urs is % mine is X
im lvl 2 on boht. guess I just grind out my crafts for this part eh?
harsh fable
if youre synth speed isnt near recomended youll be spending alot of time doing that
fierce ember
it flashed green at me
harsh fable
youd be better making a litteral ton of lower lvl materials in same time
check pins for speed recomends
harsh fable
after you get your synth module to a decent lvl yes... every matiral crafted adds to damage/shields... and as you craft more faster of lower lvl it stacks faster than crafting the higher material at higher boost %
fierce ember
I can get lvl 3 tier 6 pretty quick. I'll get that then switch to lower level I guess
probs 30min for level 3
fierce ember
how low level wouldu go? tier 1?
or like tier 4?
got to final boss! only did like 1% damage tho lol
marsh rune
Is there a list of which mats give the best boost ?
harsh fable
Is there a list of which mats give the best boost ?
(Materials from best to worst available here: USI Synth and Compute Challenges - Google Sheets by Solanaceae)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hgMIUAkCO_9IryKeo1D0G5b9mjOoCn81KDTd3WJUNUg/edit#gid=382027758
its not the most intuitive spreadsheet but i hope ti helps
fierce ember
Roughly what sector can one do s5?
lyric kestrel
idk but 5e23 synth speed without utility
fathom arch
Ya I'm like e12
Same here 😦 not feasible yet ...
zenith raptor
for S4, and destroyer, do you run 1 beam + 5 gaitling or 2 beam 4 gaitling?
analog magnet
i did 2 and 4 but there is almost no chance it matters
harsh fable
for S4, and destroyer, do you run 1 beam + 5 gaitling or 2 beam 4 gaitling?
chk the pins
click the message links for who used what fits 😛
zenith raptor
click the message links for who used what fits 😛
i did check them before. fit wasn't mentioned in the s4 link.
harsh fable
oh let me go tak look
i see. well 2beams rest gatlings will give you range advatange..
zenith raptor
i'm still too low on base synth anyway. figure fit doesnt really matter once you have enough synth
harsh fable
1 beam would rely more on being able to face tank a little more
willow maple
If that is enough for the final (5) challenge?
analog magnet
You have the synth utility core on which doesn't work in the challenge. Then you have 3e12 speed (really 3e11 without utility) . the pins says you need 5e23 to win in 15min. so you will take about one trillion times longer than 15min
so, no
harsh fable
If that is enough for the final (5) challenge?
i mean its possible... but youll take long time... id advise you aim for more crew stats before takling final challenge
zenith raptor
about half of the recommended?
harsh fable
if youre half recomended stats then double the est time
but may even run into where you have to triple time due to synthing lesser quality materials (diminising returns)
zenith raptor
i didnt see the timestamp of his message lol.
harsh fable
still confused.. youre being very nonsequeter
zenith raptor
still confused.. youre being very nonsequeter
per his pic, looks like he had synth station leveled and was at half the recommended speed for synth 5 without synth station.
so was a bit surprised that it was considered doable
harsh fable
per his pic, looks like he had synth station leveled and was at half the recomme...
ah... thats days to week old now 😛
harsh fable
so was a bit surprised that it was considered doable
doable vrs reasonable are 2 different things 😛 i wouldnt touch it
zenith raptor
i didnt see the timestamp of his message lol.
☝️ 🤣
zenith raptor
doable vrs reasonable are 2 different things 😛 i wouldnt touch it
that was my thought. happy i saw it, cause it reminded me that i forgot about synth 5 and just went into it with e30 something lol
analog magnet
per his pic, looks like he had synth station leveled and was at half the recomme...
3e12 isn't "half" of 5e23
it's half the orders of magnitude
he has 1/1000000000 the rec
zenith raptor
i think we all think of this in order of magnitude
analog magnet
maybe, but if you have actually half, it will take twice as long like dersies said
a trillion times less isnt half, hence our confusion
zenith raptor
once order of magnitude is 1 or 2 apart, i no longer think fractions/%'s
analog magnet
right but the distinction matters if you want to know if you are "almost there" as in close enough to leave open for a few extra hours and get there
waxen ember
My synth speed is currently 2600, with T3 pretty much done
Is this ok for Synth 2? If so, what loadout?
lyric kestrel
My synth speed is currently 2600, with T3 pretty much done
Is this ok for Synth...
is 2600 with advanced synth station utility
lyric kestrel
not ready for synth 2
waxen ember
Thanks! How do I pump up my synth without the station utility? I have like gems and warp upgrades
Research is starting to slow down
waxen ember
not ready for synth 2
Is this synth speed enough now? I just divide by the core synth multiplier right?
harsh fable
@spark jacinth need your math skills
spark jacinth
What's up?
harsh fable
screenshot right above
waxen ember
Thanks @harsh fable @spark jacinth !
harsh fable
numbers are not my thing
spark jacinth
Ah. Okay, total multiplicative bonus divided by the "2x core" listing
Additive gets wiped out entirely so the only bonus is from the multiplicative
2410.75 / 2.25 = 1071.44 repeating
waxen ember
Right, so only halfway to the 2k needed for synth 2?
harsh fable
Right, so only halfway to the 2k needed for synth 2?
not a reasonable time unless youre going to bed/work..
spark jacinth
Do you have your v. device properly set? Synth shard and flex shard?
I think it's flex shard missing
hover over red text to see what's not applied
spark jacinth
so you're closer than before
waxen ember
Yeah for sure
spark jacinth
3616.13 / 2.25 is 1607.17
waxen ember
Will just keep farming the warp until I crack that 2k mark
But thanks for helping clarify what maths I should be applying there!
harsh fable
ty dragon
waxen ember
Appreciate it!
spark jacinth
👍
strong yarrow
I am trying to beat challenge 3 where I got to beat sector 20. I am at 19 and feeling pretty stuck. When the game says stockpiling own resource has diminishing results what should I look to keep in each material and what do I need to focus on stockpiling. I have the two shards I need to use and have the two modules at max purple but not made the push to orange yet
strong yarrow
the game told I should be able to complete the challenge but am seeing people usually say have all 4 syth slots and I do only have 3
strong yarrow
some are better than others
yeah don't have 4th slot been way too many hours
thanks
waxen ember
@harsh fable @spark jacinth just did synth 2, thanks heaps!
rain hamlet
OK, I'm confused...my current Synth speed (with Synth Station) is 4.60e6...for Synth Purity, I need to discard the calculations of the cores (which shows as being multiplied by x2.25), so how do I calculate?
Is 4.60e6 = 460,000,000 or 46,000,000?
spark jacinth
you're on your synth speed stats page?
spark jacinth
the additive multipliers section - only contains the bonuses from the utility core levels, so you ignore that entirely.
in the multiplicative multipliers section, there's a line towards the bottom that says "total multiplicative bonus"
take that, and divide it by the line for the core, which is a 2.25 multiplier
and that's your synth speed without core, since the base speed is one
the standard windows calculator is able to interpret the e notation.
so you can just put 4.60e6 into there and it'll know what you meant
rain hamlet
Is 4.60e6 = `460,000,000` or `46,000,000`?
Right, but just so I know, how to interpret this?
spark jacinth
but "eN" is "Move decimal point N spaces to the right"
4.60e6 is therefore 4,600,000
if it's a minus sign involved, then you move decimal to the left instead.
4.60-e6 would be 0.0000046
alternately use literally any spreadsheet program to do the math for you.
rain hamlet
Yea, no, I understand. It's just mildly confusing to get in the head.
rain hamlet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276923463587598336/1286572491191357482/i...
So, in this one, I divide 1.79e6 by 2.25 and that's my final Synth Speed for SP challenge, right?
rain hamlet
Fair, much appreciated. 🙏
waxen ember
Reckon this is enough for Synth 3?
analog magnet
you have 4e4 without synth utility
the pin says 3e5
so it will take you around 8 hours
plus a bit more for underlevelled recipes
waxen ember
the pin says 3e5
Which pin are you looking at
I can’t see any
Sorry, just so I don’t keep asking haha
waxen ember
I’m a fool
wide hawk
is the damage and max shields going up based more on quanity on hand of materials over quality? im trying to figure out if making more mass of lower tier materials will make me stronger faster. im on tier 3 of blue shields and tier 2 of blue weapon
harsh fable
is the damage and max shields going up based more on quanity on hand of material...
correct... sorta
quality has effect
but theres also diminishing returns
one moment ill find a spread sheet
harsh fable
is the damage and max shields going up based more on quanity on hand of material...
its hard to read... sorry its not mine
wide hawk
Thanks I'll take a look
analog magnet
it's ( [base crafting time] x [count] ) ^ 0.8
^0.8 means that if you multliply the amount of an item you have by x100,000, (+5 orders of magnitude) the item is worth 10% as much
so if you go from 1e10 of something to 1e15 it's "only" 1e4 times stronger, not 1e5
so big number of cheap things > small number of expensive things, mostly
wide hawk
gotcha, after 3 hours i was on sector 13 ( like an hour i was afk though) on the 2nd level of the challenge. i gave up for now.
next time once i get modules up a good bit make a crap load of early stuff and slowly work upwards
harsh fable
gotcha, after 3 hours i was on sector 13 ( like an hour i was afk though) on the...
did you make sure to turn on damage and shield module?
wide hawk
yep
its a wierd balancing act when you make higher tier materials since you spend lower tier ones losing your number. next time ill have a better idea what to do
analog magnet
for most of the synth challenges it's worth making the damage and shield modules you are "currently on"
though you don't have to make level 10 necessarily, 7 or 8 is fine
waxen ember
@analog magnet I’m on T4 infinite just started T5, attempting Synth 3 and hitting a bit of a wall on sector 18; from what I get based on what you’re saying it should essentially be: synth a heaps of T4, once that’s done for a while, synth more of T3, then even more T2 and then even more of T1
Right? Rather than the other way around so I don’t deplete lower tiers?
I’m currently on hour 7 of this haha
And damn, every time I upgrade my modules my damage/shields go down cause of that weird multiplier haha
analog magnet
make the damage/shield modules until you think you have enough. make all stuff until the number you have stops changing quickly. and especially make a lot of bars of the lower teirs
to be sure, 7 hours is a lot. either something's wrong with your setup or you are trying a bit too soon
waxen ember
Ok awesome, will keep an eye on the number a bit more closely, I think I’m just consuming my lower tier stuff to upgrade modules but I think I can stop that
I’m guessing I need a few thousand of each thing in each tier
I have a full synth shard build and reactor going
waxen ember
@analog magnet yeah I’m only at Sector 33 in non-challenge so I’m guessing I need to be up at 40 or 50 before I can do Synth 3; the chart pinned shows I’m on the lower end of completion
Giving up, looks like I’m stuck on 33 for a week or two
Synthing T5 is brutally slow even with a level 36 reactor boost, full synth shard build and a bunch of warp upgrades
lyric kestrel
wait till you see t6
waxen ember
wait till you see t6
Sigh - clears calendar
analog magnet
if it feels super slow you are probably missing something
check all the system tabs, do more of whichever one you havent done in the longest time
waxen ember
Yeah I’ll just farm warp and bases for a week while grinding out T5 before retrying
And then just brute force Synth 3, I don’t have the patience to watch the damage/shield multiplier and switch efficiently; was AFK for 6 hours and actively played for 2 and didn’t move past 18 haha
Appreciate the help @analog magnet !
clever vortex
hi what's the synth speed requirement for Synth 5? I'm at tier 7 infinite
