Core Computing Challenge

[devout escarp]

Thank you so much!!

[sullen oxide]

what's the best setup for core computing 9/9?

[brazen scaffold]

there's a setup for that in the pins here

[sullen oxide]

ty

[smoky condor]

Is this not a more beneficial way when you have the same v devices? you get all the original bonuses plus void matter drop amount?

[analog garden]

no matter what I try (both guides) = FAIL

[blissful hollow]

Any help on challenge 2? When and how should I attempt it?

[signal helm]

Is there a best wave to farm the x1000 wave core upgrade?

[brazen scaffold]

my memory says sector 4, since the enemies over there move quickly towards you, so you attack them earlier, thus clearing waves a bit faster

[zenith charm]

What does "CS" refer to in this?

[brazen scaffold]

cyber specialist. It's a crew member

[sullen oxide]

does utility do anything in CC?

[astral zenith]

you can upgrade them, so yes

[sullen oxide]

which utilities are good for CC9?

[astral zenith]

compute and reactor

[sullen oxide]

ty

[astral zenith]

but weapon choices are more important than utility

[sullen oxide]

trying what pin suggested

[full shale]

CC4s beam v2 is a lie

did a whole night of grinding, retrofitted to v1 and levels are way lower but I oneshot sector 13 instead of being locked in eternal battle with the boss

[sullen oxide]

what crew can help for CC9 besides cyber specialist?

[stuck jay]

ET, ME and IE

Reactor compute speed

[sullen oxide]

what does the reactor even do? it doesnt help with shield or damage

[stuck jay]

compute speed

[rapid apex]

Am I missing something, or are there only screenshots for the Armor weapon refits?

Because I'm getting murdered on CC sector 19

[brazen scaffold]

oh, I just realized that sector 19 has only shielded enemies. The strategy involves using 1 beam and 5 laser cannons until you've beaten sector 19, then retrofit to the kinetic build to beat sectors 20 and 21

[somber iris]

I think that message miss info about switching all LCs to use three synergies to boost beam

[grim pivot]

trying to do CC7 and followed the pins, but am just getting 1 shot by the boss before I can kill. Sitting on 3 lv110 bulk, 1 lv110 beam, 5 lv95 LC. What am I missing for being able to clear this, I have nowhere near enough shields?

[brazen scaffold]

you need V2.0 weapons and shields for CC7

[grim pivot]

Sorry, didnt put that in since it was part of the pin setup, my shields are v2, and my beam is v2, the LCs are v1, but they arent even firing and are in full support

[brazen scaffold]

hmm... do you get enough salvage to level up beam and shields higher than lvl 110?

[grim pivot]

not really, getting ~e19-20/s

I do also see my shields are slowly gaining which I didnt think CC had anyway to do

like 30min ago I was ~1e11 on all 3, and now Im ~3e11

[brazen scaffold]

you can clear some waves during this challenge to make the Tracking nodes better. They're the level 60 node that's on all weapons and shields

[grim pivot]

hadnt thought about that upgrades scaling

so do I just have to wait until it scales to the point I can clear?

thought CC was supposed to be quick as long as you had the scrap

[brazen scaffold]

I guess you need to wait until you're strong enough to beat the last boss

[rapid apex]

I'm using 1 Beam 2.0 and 5 LC 2.0s, they're at level 180+, and I'm still just getting slaughtered. I was hoping that there was screenshots for how to configure the nodes, but I'll play around with them

Apparently I just can't read, this is my problem

[brazen scaffold]

to be fair, I edited one of the pins today for clarifying the laser setup

[rapid apex]

Oh, that makes sense

[rapid apex]

Now I'm just getting torn up by S21 due to shield issues, I think

Just waiting for favorable waves made it possible. Thanks all!

[grim pivot]

for the new CC9 strat is it just waiting on getting a wave that is armour only? Im one shotting the armoured targets, but cant even touch the ones that are just hull

and taking a single hit from anything resets me

[brazen scaffold]

hmm... I vaguely remember that there's some RNG involved with this strategy. Let me check older messages...

yup, it requires being lucky with the enemy spawns in sector 21 (and to a certain extent, sector 20)

[grim pivot]

well, thanks to messing up my initial setup several times Im now out of refits, so I guess Ill just leave it on auto until it clears

is there a min lvl i need on the KC? got a lucky wave but boss had time to get a shot off

[brazen scaffold]

at least lvl 70 for CC9

[grim pivot]

Ive got all of them at lv110

hmm, it looks like it might be that I dont have the auto volley maxed

[grim pivot]

lvl 130 and ~9hrs of waves, plus luck and a 30% (didnt hit the mats for 25% before I got lucky) auto volley did it for CC9

[grim pivot]

Also I was only to sector 42, but I did just do a big prestige and challenge push before, so not sure if Id have pushed past 42 before

[dusky garden]

what is the best setup to clear CC9?

[brazen scaffold]

it's in the pins here

but basically, it's 1 beam + 5 laser cannons for most of it, then retrofit to a kinetic build with 1 bomb and 5 kinetic cannons for the last 2 sectors

[dusky garden]

tysm

[steel perch]

Any idea when to do CC5?

Do ineed the 6 weapon ship for it already?

[hollow wyvern]

No. I did CC5 yesterday with heavy.

CC7 just gonna have to farm tracking to tank a hit. With max V2 shields need more.

For reference CC7 shield cores to 120 and tracking at 3.2.

[stuck jay]

Has anyone ever beaten 74 at CC challenges?

[plush valley]

what is the best loadout for core computing 8?

[hollow prawn]

Click the 3 dots then select open in full then open the pinned messages and look at the load out section.

[hollow prawn]

What should beams be set to?

[astral zenith]

all top except you use mass focuser

[sudden warren]

On the 3rd challenge. I've maxed out compute already, is there anything else i can do? I haven't got the upgrade from base 2

[sudden warren]

nvm, just had to get more beam weapons

[hollow prawn]

Can some one please tell me the load out need for sector 18 19 and 20. As for some reason I am now getting stuck on sector 18 though I done it before

[muted gull]

Are your Weapons and Shields on V2 or V3? Is your Tracking high enough?

[hollow prawn]

What is tracking? As for the other I tried the load outs listed in pinned messages.

[astral zenith]

lv60 upgrade on weapons

[hollow prawn]

I guess I just have to wait for more scrap.

[hollow prawn]

Finally did sector 18 and 19 with V2 and a defector shield.

[upper fiber]

guys am i hitting salvage gain limit? I have a lot of unused computational power. is it just waisted and i cannot do anything about it?

[muted gull]

First Upgrade of the 2nd Base will solve that

[worn knoll]

im on this challenge 2 and its saying i can complete it and im really struggling to beat it there is a loadout for it ?

[muted gull]

CC2 - Beam / LC / LC 2x Bulk

[worn knoll]

in tihs challenge is more compute more salavge gen ?

per second

[astral zenith]

yes

[worn knoll]

im curentlly in this challenge how to upgrade the lasers ?

[worn knoll]

at what way

[astral zenith]

laser cannon

[worn knoll]

and the beam ?

[astral zenith]

all top except lv70, where you use mass focuser

[worn knoll]

im stuck on sector 7

[astral zenith]

do you have all sources of compute speed boosts active

(shards, modules, reactor)

[worn knoll]

oh reactor i forgot

[worn knoll]

i get now 2k salvage per s

is that enough ?

[astral zenith]

also use laser boost automator

you should see it always active

[worn knoll]

how you can buy it ?

[astral zenith]

synth module

[worn knoll]

with that loadout im no even close to take sector 7

i need the damage one

[worn knoll]

can you help me pls ?

[ancient frigate]

what build should i use for compute challenge 4? im at s49

[astral zenith]

1 beam rest LC

[muted gull]

if you are at S49 read the pinned comments, that will help you finish CC9

[edgy spindle]

Man, I feel like I must be missing something obvious because I'm trying the 4th tier while at highest sector 31 and I can't clear past sector 12. Using 3 LC1, a beam 2, bulk 1 and bulk 2, comp lab and enhanced reactor, and 33 levels of boost compute speed.

[grizzled reef]

I'm sitting in S54, and am still not able to complete Core Computing 6/9. Did anything change since this was posted?

[astral zenith]

yes
rockstip found that kinetic volley is also 10x more powerful, so now cc9 can be done in s43

[grizzled reef]

ah, I see the pinned comments about that now, thank you

[grizzled reef]

This has been a big help; albeit, I'm struggling a bit with the S21 boss. I'm using:

5x KC 2.0s, 1x BL 2.0 - Bulk Gen 2.0, 2x Deflectors

~level 200 (just a bit lower) on the modules across the board.

I've got 1 KC in full damage mode:

Other 4x KCs configured like this:

And then the BL like this:

and by struggling a bit, I guess I intend to say that the S21 boss loses maybe 10% HP before my deflectors give way and I'm annihilated.

[hollow prawn]

I just did it myself same load out as you. The key is use engine to push to boss. Then use save and load trick to remove the support wave (so they dont eat your deflector shields) and then hit the kinetic volley ability just as the boss enters range you should do enough burst damage to delete the boss before he can fire off two shots.

[grizzled reef]

Thx Kotli -- I'll try again tomorrow; thus far, it was a fail..... for now 🙂

[muted gull]

Did you try with switching the dmg nodes? Like in the pinned comment. I rememder that helped me.

[grizzled reef]

Which ones do you suggest changing? I just want to be sure I understand for when I do another attempt later this evening.

[muted gull]

Since the boss on 21 only has 700 range, you could try to go full dmg on the bomb for the boss. If I remember correct, that helped me

and switch back to full support on the KC for the boss only

[serene heron]

i did it rn with this setup here with 7x tracking

oneshoted the s21 boss with bomb launcher hit

i used the projectile speed instead of dmg to hit the boss before he can have range to hit me

and using the save load strat

i was way weaker than u, so u can do it izi

[grizzled reef]

Thank you very much for the suggested loadout; working on a project, but will try your build this evening when I'm ready for a prestige. Thank you again!!

[somber coral]

im stuck at S20 mobs just before boss, cant get through shield/armor fast enough

do i just gotta let waves accumilate for the wave bonus?

[somber coral]

nvm i got it lol

[steady fable]

what weapons are recommended for cc4?

[waxen rose]

1 Beam and max support LC

[digital juniper]

Hi all, what's the best way to set up the salvage consumption for computing speed during these challenges? Is there a sweet spot to hit? Thanks!

[hollow prawn]

I believe 1% of income like the AI compute salvage is the sweet spot.

[prisma oriole]

im trying the pinned stratagy for beating C9 early, but im stuck at C8, the sector 19 boss one shoot's me and i seem to on avarage only get his shields down before he kills me

[prisma oriole]

im making about 5e22 salvage, so not enough to go v3, maybe i could use deflectors, am i just supposed to clear waves?

[hollow prawn]

v3 are way to expensive and are a trap stick with the v2 they are strong enough to do the job. As for boss use the save and load trick to remove his support wave then nuke him with laser boost (done right he should melt before he kills you). Then switch to v2 bomb + kinetic cannons for next bosses and like wise nuke them with the boost.

Oh and turn off auto laser/kinetic boost as you damage is reduced by a lot.

[somber coral]

i got through it with v2's the pinned strat, and 1 bulk 2 deflector
just auto advanced as much as you can to skip mobs and get to the boss, get lucky, and boss should die while deflectors are still up

[full shale]

cc9 finished

https://tenor.com/view/schuladame-cheese-gif-22080846

[marsh umbra]

hello. So im on S43 and i tried to do CC7-9 with the pinned build (1 beam + 5 laser). But i cannot beat S18 boss ( get one shot). I assume its my compute speed (1e21 right now) which makes me produce e23 salvage. But none of this is mentioned in the pin. What am i missing?

[blissful hollow]

When should I try to do challenge 5? I'm at sector 43 right now

[marsh umbra]

@blissful hollow i did 5&6 at sector 43. But as i wrote in previous message i wasnt able to do cc7-9

[blissful hollow]

I see. Thanks

[stuck jay]

(spoilers for future progression) ||dw you'll need to do it 2 more times||

Also, any idiots went ahead and completed S74 in challenge?

[muted gull]

Is there any benefit to do the challanges in "Endless mode"?

[astral zenith]

yes, you get to flex
no

[stuck jay]

you get to be recognized as a professional idiot

[barren geode]

what makes sector 49 so much better for completing this chall?

i don't think u get enough salvage to upgrade the unlock no?

[barren geode]

also i'm using the CC9 strat and my shields are way too low - using all bulk deflector 2.0

fully upgraded

[astral zenith]

the statistics were recorded before sector 50 is beatable so everyone did it at sector 50 at that time
and before people figured out that kinetic volley is 10x more powerful

[barren geode]

ahh I see

yeah I definitely can't do CC9

sector 43 is long gone and yet my max is like CC7

[trail falcon]

What's the best build for CC9?

[hearty tree]

Is it normal that the Computing challenges take much longer than the other challenges, even when I am absolutely overleveled?

[astral zenith]

overleveled?

how many completions

[hearty tree]

Well, based on the chart people beat CC3 at stage 24, and I am already S30 and it still takes really long to get the necessary salvage

[astral zenith]

what weapon setup

[hearty tree]

3LC 1BL

[astral zenith]

are they 1.0 or 2.0?

[hearty tree]

But actually nevermind, I thought I had to level way past 100 for the weapons, but of course directly after writing I could beat the boss.

1.0

I guess 1 hour is normal? Just wondering because the Base and Void Challenge 1 took like 5 minutes each at this point.

[astral zenith]

they usually dont take long

[blazing steeple]

looking at the pins to complete the challenge since most finish it at sector 49 and im on 54. But i have no idea what a capstone is, anyone feel like enlightening this poor noob?

[blazing steeple]

ok i think i found it but how are people having this many ranks at sector 49. Unless im completely wrong

[astral zenith]

@blazing steeple

also you dont have crew at sector 49

[blazing steeple]

oh i see that pin is out of date and completely wrong lol. Also forgot we needed 51 to get crew 🫢. Could you confirm that is actually the capstone referred to in the pin. Still not sure what a captstone is just found the ability that shared a name with the pin

[astral zenith]

yes thats the capstone

[blazing steeple]

ok thanks guess im way too early to try completing CC

[lofty cairn]

uhm what am i gonna about the fact that the boss oneshots me in stage 19 on cc 8? I reach stage 49 in normal and according to pinned comment it should be possible with 3 v2 bulk?

nevermind i guess it for some reason didnt oneshot me on try number 10

[winter void]

Why specifically S4 and not any other sector?

[lofty cairn]

I am at sector 49 in normal and just finished all of cc challenges, just follow the top pinned comment and farm some waves and you will be fine

[prime mantle]

the waves respawn fast and fly to their deaths fast, meaning more wave kills

if it takes 2 seconds to kill a wave instead of 10s, that's a 500% 400% increase in wave kills

[winter void]

Ahhh ok. Got ya. Thanks for the clarification

[proven cove]

I'm trying the pinned strategy for CC9 with the 1 bomb and 5 KC and I can't even push through 20 because of how much damage is coming at me, I really don't see how a sector 43 minimum could do this?

[sinful walrus]

wow.. cc5 was easier than I thought.. 55 minutes, l95 Beam v2 was basically the key

[prime mantle]

the idea is to one-shot the boss with the bonus damage from kinetic boost, you are understatted otherwise

a deflector will help, but you don't have access to that at S43 yet

[low saffron]

For CC4, why would we need 1 V1 bulk and 1 V2 bulk?

Once I've reached this, is there any way to speed up progress?

[prime mantle]

affordability

you likely don't make salvage to afford a v2 bulk at that level

[prime mantle]

more levels generated per level

[low saffron]

Yes, I'm its not enough salvage, which is why I'm confused why V2 is suggested here.

[low saffron]

How can I do that?

[prime mantle]

crew

so, not yet

[prime mantle]

v2 has a higher base rate, and you get faster recharge from v1 skills

splitting the difference basically

when you can afford the v2 skills, the high multiplier of the top line makes the v2 much better

[prime mantle]

you are also missing the first base 2 milestone

[low saffron]

Welp, sounds like I'm a bit underleveled for this 😅

[prime mantle]

not that badly, just missing something

[low saffron]

(Don't worry I disabled pinging)

I only referred to this, so by clearing S32 I thought this would be a breeze. I ended up completing the challenge in 3:38:26, retrofitting my V2 Beam and V2 Bulk into V1 (since I'm far away from being able to afford them)

[south oriole]

Pretty sure that doesn’t work - the shields recharge rate and recharge delay are calculated separately based on the individual picks.

On a relevant question: the pins list the ship setups for each challenge, but nothing about how much compute speed you would actually want. Just the average sector clear which is not really a strong indication. Am I missing this info somewhere?

[prime mantle]

not really, it's not something that can be mathed out easily

it is highly likely that you made it harder than it needed to be by missing base 2 unlock

the extra tab on compute adds power

feeding salvage back into compute does give a bit more salvage too, but you don't want to feed 1%

more like 0.001%

the extra tab is where you would use that extra power you just freed up

[south oriole]

yeah, i definitely didn't have the advanced tab when I tried CC4 and ground it out over an hour

I really want to be able to clear S40 before I restart for some challenges

synth 3 and comp 5-6 should be doable, maybe base 3

[sinful walrus]

cc7 done at S42.. took 120 in 3 shields and beam laser and completed right before second shot hit me

55 minutes of farming

[mellow bough]

am i doing something wrong? ive reached sector 28 and so thought that cc3 should be easy, but i am only half way through the challenge and stalling out...

v2 beam/laser bulkx2
v1 laser x 2
advanced computing
compute module,
2 compute shards,
compute in reactor

[sinful walrus]

v2 beam might not be worth it

what level are you getting it to

[mellow bough]

s6

[sinful walrus]

no what level is your v2 beam getting to

[mellow bough]

oh, not even the first tick

[sinful walrus]

are you lasers in full support mode?

you shouldn't be using v2

go with v1

compute challenge you get huge multipliers on the abilities for weapons, so missing all the beam ones(especially the 6th one) is a big deal

bulk should be v1 for now as well and all top path

the warp essence purchases for computing give huge bonuses, also level up your compute module if you haven't

and vpower module for a bit more oomph as well

[mellow bough]

thanks, thats already making a difference, we will se if that gets me there

[polar ether]

i tried cc8 way too early and ended up waiting way too long for cc9. whoops

[dim crystal]

What's the best build for CC9?

[astral zenith]

top pin

[blissful hollow]

I reached s50 with only 6/9 completed. Should I try doing the last 3 before moving to the next sector?

[waxen rose]

the last 2 will take a bit to reach

[south oriole]

so, am I missing something about the cc9 technique in the pinned message?

It's just not working for me

I'm in sector 20, switched to the kinetic loadout, and even cheesing the boss I can't kill it

ok, i figured it out

do NOT put volley on autocast

being able to triple hit the boss is important

[vital lynx]

Quick question, I already got the permanent CAP 1e22x, is there a point to doing the cc9 as I haven't done it yet?

[south oriole]

Yes. THe way the challenge reward works is a separate increase from compute speed/power

[vital lynx]

Do you you mean that from the 1e22x cap I will get more power out if it?

[south oriole]

yes

[south oriole]

Normally, your compute levels have diminishing returns. THe more you get, the less each new one is worth. The challenge reward improves that scaling, so that new levels aren't penalized as much. It doesn't matter if you are capped on every compute bar, the challenge makes the levels you get all worth more.

[vital lynx]

I see thanks for the info, didn'T took it this way. I thought it was speed and level gained.

[latent ridge]

Can some1 tell me what I am doing wrong ? I cant beat S20/S21 with the pinned comment

[brazen scaffold]

the bomb launcher isn't quite max damage, since nodes #3 and #9 aren't on damage

[latent ridge]

tyvm

[tawdry oak]

Does the math work out to go with v3 beam if I can hit node 6, but not node 9? Currently struggling to get past S18 on the quest for CC9

[prime mantle]

use a retrofit and check, chances are that the 10x multipliers are worth more than you get for using the higher tier weapon

[dense kindle]

i just did CC 4, with my max sector being 25

[low saffron]

What is "CS with Capstone skill -Salvage redirection"?

[astral zenith]

#sector-51-to-74 thing

[low saffron]

oh lol okay

[blissful hollow]

s18 boss seems to one shot me for CC7

Should I just retrofit to deflectors or something?

My beam says 5.4e14 DPS but boss doesn't seem to die in under 1 second

[astral zenith]

beam dps assumes max ramp

[blissful hollow]

Okay.

So what do I now?

I'm only stuck at the boss

retrofit?

[astral zenith]

what does you core look like

[blissful hollow]

Everything is level 170+

[astral zenith]

i mean the upgrade paths

[blissful hollow]

1 beam, rest all LC

2nd is beam

[astral zenith]

then yeah probably retrofit to 2 deflectors

[blissful hollow]

Okay

My level 60 multiplier is only 1.54 right now

[sonic valley]

just to be sure, do you get default base damage of higher tier gear there?

[sonic valley]

do i need to unlock base 2 compute improvements for CC4?

doesnt look like 40 cap helps at all there

[dense kindle]

i got it without it myself

what's you max sector?

[sonic valley]

31
it was a mistake to pick a couple of mk2 cores, basically finished CC4 with 1 shield and 3 guns

[dense kindle]

yup, with the boosts being x10, mk1 is much better till you can get enough to make mk2 viable

[raven pelican]

I'm stuck on S20, I'm stuck being 1 shot by normal enemies before the boss shows up, I've got 2 deflectors, 1 bomb, rest are 1 bulk and KCs, all V2 at level 140, wave bonus at x1.65. KC nodes all have bottom nodes except for #2 and #9 which are on top nodes (damage instead of anti-shields), Bulk is on max shields. Bomb is on max damage. Can only put 5.3e7 on 1.25 Cap+ Cap+ with a total compute speed of 4.2e22, this includes all shard bonuses to compute speed and a level 151 compute speed reactor boost, am unsure how to proceed, have also bought Compute Power 58 times and even have 1 level in Compute Power Improvement in Warp Grid.

OH, am I doing CC9 too early? lmao

[hearty tree]

I did it today and farmed to a wave bonus of x10 and still had a difficult time and had to stray away from the suggested built.

Basically you try to oneshot them while they're also oneshotting you.

[raven pelican]

What did you use?

[blissful hollow]

I reached s21 on CC9 with beam + 5 lc and 2 deflectors but I can't seem to progress at all

Multiplier is about 5.52

And my beam is level 70 v3

Should I retrofit to missile or bomb instead of the beam?

[visual sparrow]

when is a good time to start cc3?

[sonic valley]

excellent time to do cc3-4, but you can do cc3 around the time you get first compute tab filled

[autumn cove]

..... so i've been doing the computing challenge 6 and 7 in a row because i was slacking on it... i reached already 57 so i could have done this a long time ago...

I was struggeling with Challenge 8/9 and i was like "how... this can't be.... all v equipped correctly..."

Then i figured out i didn't have the module activated -.-

big dum dum moment

and i didn't even have it activated for challenge 6 and 7...

[exotic pilot]

uh so im at 4/9 on and im on sector 53 (ok i was like at 51 or 52 pre prestige)

am i stupid or smth cuz tier 2 stuff seems too weak for cc5 but tier 3 seems too expensive

[sonic valley]

you probably need to provide screenshot of your cores

[exotic pilot]

ok so i maanged to beat s19 boss with this (slightly modified cc9 guide)

so uh now to try cc9

idk if i should follow the 3 bulk shield for sector 20+21 or use 1 deflector 2 bulks

[sonic valley]

well yeah that works until s20, for s21 easiest would be retrofitting to suggested 5xKC+weapon(or additional KC) and instakill it with volley
i'd use 2 deflectors and bulk for 21

if you use boost engine reactor bonus to proceed to boss and disable it when you are killed, you will get to boss even without single kill

[stuck grotto]

how on eath are you guys at level 200+ on your weapons in this challenge? I cant get over 25

....lol wait could it be that I shouldn't be using t4 weapons for challenge 8 and 9?

[pallid rivet]

correct lol

[stuck grotto]

i always forget about those tiers

feelin real dumb rn

well, 30 seconds later i crushed it thanks

[pure geode]

OK probably a dumb question: I just unlocked challenges using the setup: https://usi.game-vault.net/wiki/Stage_Pushing_Builds#/media/File:Builds_Sectors_16-20.jpg but im trying to find the build to start CC1 in the list here and i cant

[waxen rose]

There's a dedicated CC guide on there, but tbh it still could use some work and has some spoilers for future systems in it

But there's builds in the pinned messages of this channel

#1087075244583436378 message

[drifting scaffold]

im at s55, coulond't get poast s19 boss with tier 2 weapons/shields like guide suggested. upped to tier 3 and it was good.

[dense kindle]

you probably could have with tier 2 weapons, just would have meant a bit longer grinding out materials

[golden crypt]

can you do cc9 without the rank50 cs bonus?

[knotty apex]

You can, you can even do it around s49 if you do a bit of cheese

[wary socket]

How long does it take to rank up ability 6 and be able to beat S19 for CC8-9 ? Is it even enough or are there any other requirements for v2 weapons/shields ?

[crystal sphinx]

I just beat S19/ CC9, 4.5 hour long run

Only cleared up to S42A prior
7.10e4x Warp Multiplier
Enough compute to fill up to the 10 Cap+
1 BL/ 5 KC build
3 Bulk Gen
All V2, Level 130
11.41x in Improved Tracking
Shotgunned boss with volley, 1 BL/ 4 KC in range/armor support and 1 KC on max damage

[steady kite]

people saying cc9/s19. my cc9 is s21. am i misunderstanding something? has the sector requirement changed?

[scarlet bone]

How high does my computing need to be for CC9?

[steady kite]

pog just finished cc9 :D

[steady kite]

i have 3.17e8, just completed it

but that's post-completion i assume

or does finishing cc only affect gain, not speed. idk

either way, i had 105.5x from reactor, 36.25x from vdevice , and 9.64e4 from bases

2.6093x improved tracking, with level 180 everything. lv270 lab and lv.120 enh.reactor

bulk generators didn't do anything tbh

[scarlet bone]

Managed to finish it as well 👍

ty for the tips

[steady kite]

i squeezed with full support bomb launcher, one full top row kc2, and the rest as follows:

gives 10.8cd with 10 duration, and x10 kinetic damage

back to pushing sectors

and warping

[twilit ridge]

is tehre any overview anywhere for how much many bars you need to do each challenge?

[wary socket]

I am unaware of such thing, but you can look at the picture in the top of the discussion to see when most people finished the challenge

[clever cosmos]

What weapons do people suggest for core cpu challenge 3?

[sudden moth]

Beam and Laser Cannons.
#1087075244583436378 message

Oh, didn't notice the date, sorry for ping.

[hard flicker]

am I missing something? trying to do C9 but I'm not getting anywhere close to the damage numbers I need with v2.0 weapons. It seems like I'm only doing e15 damage? I must be missing an entire multiplier

[hard flicker]

nvm, I did it by cheesing the boss spawns

dunno how people are getting their sheet damage to show e43 though

[charred inlet]

I'm stuck on CC7 currently...ugh. help!!! lol

[astral zenith]

core?

[charred inlet]

Bx1, 5 x LC, 2 x Bulk, 1 x Def, Comp Lab @ 396; Reactor @ 216

[astral zenith]

screenshot

[astral zenith]

laser cannons all bottom row

then use laser boost automator

[charred inlet]

automator is running. only requires 2 of the LC to be bottom row to hit the 5 sec recharge

ok. that worked....weirdly.

hmmm

now time for CC8. lol

when should i switch to kinetic? is that for CC8?

[astral zenith]

thats for 9

[charred inlet]

yeah, I'm just idling on lvl 19/20 at the moment. will hopefully be able to break through

[midnight bloom]

hmm whats the fastest stage to farm Improved tracking, in this challenge, and out of it?

[charred axle]

9

[stable spindle]

I'd assume swarmers, because they approach fast so you can clear the waves quickly. I'm not certain how it works, but I think a new wave spawns faster if you kill the current wave quickly.

[astral zenith]

if you have void beacon then yes
if you have void lure or you dont have either, it doesnt matter

[stable spindle]

Not at all? It always felt like that, even if just a little.

Also often felt like waves spawned faster when advancing.

With neither module on of course.

[astral zenith]

ye but do you want to do that for 20 minutes

[stable spindle]

No, but maybe someone does. I've done crazier for less, I get people going for extremes and having fun with it. :P

[midnight bloom]

i use void beacon yes.
I just felt like swarmers are usually a high numbers so its slower to clear a wave.
range of weapons is ofc important too.
I found that s46 is pretty quick, only 2 large ships on a wave

[astral zenith]

swarms move quickly so they get in your range quickly

and you should be able to take out swarms quickly when farming waves unless youre using something like 6 bomb launchers

[charred inlet]

oddly, have completed capping compute without CC9. now have to do CC9.

[clever cosmos]

I just did it at wave 45. enemies on 20 were harder than wave 21 due to the sheilds.

[hoary dock]

trying to follow the 'cc9 as early as s43' guide

how do i beat the s18 boss exactly, he just oneshots me lmao

need to farm waves for 6th upgrade?

[astral zenith]

are you on 2.0 cores

[hoary dock]

full 2.0, yeah

yeah some waves let me survive a hit

yahoo

[fierce night]

i don´t get how i should clear sector 18 with my shield? they use the same v2 bulk in the pinned guide but i can´t even tank 1 shot from boss

[olive dome]

Same issue here, I dont get it

I killed 18 by using one deflector shield, now same shit with 19 boss 😄

Killed 19 too now, just need to use shield boost at right time (at least thats what I did lol)

[olive dome]

https://tenor.com/view/i-give-up-eric-cartman-south-park-s9e10-follow-that-egg-gif-22283401

[fierce night]

yeah, a bit late but i swapped to two deflectors and needed 10min to hit the perfect timing between buffs/deflector/enemy but got it yesterday. don´t understand why the pinned comment has bulk shield

[clever cosmos]

becuase you don't need deflectors if you have enough tracking and can do it a wave earlier.

[astral zenith]

there is also the cheese to prevent enemies from interfering with bossfight

[olive dome]

So key is to let it idle for a few hours to accumulate tracking?

[clever cosmos]

atleast an hour to do it before 44, but also you can either fail a warp or save an exit at the boss to skip the spawns before the boss spawns.

[olive dome]

Great info thanks @clever cosmos

[hoary dock]

yeah i cleared cc9 a day or two ago, you just needed enough tracking to be able to survive one bullet in s18

[gleaming ridge]

what compute speed and power is recommend for level 3 of the challenge ? i trying this level and fail so much

[upper dove]

Maybe you need better quality weapons and shields that don't need much upgrading.

[gleaming ridge]

i have retry after mass upgrade warp tech and succes pass lv 3 and 4

[delicate wedge]

I'm trying to clear sector 14 for this challenge, but I need more salvage to upgrade my weapons.. yet it seems maxed?

I have auto-optimize compute AI

Is there a way to up the limit how much compute power you can use?

[astral zenith]

the upgrade from base 2

[median kelp]

does the advanced computer lab gives bonuses for the compute challenges?

[waxen rose]

Yes

[tacit epoch]

hey guys, what would be the best loadout for the sector 8 challenge? (2nd one)

[waxen rose]

Beam, LC, LC

2x Bulk

[tacit epoch]

oh so it was beam, not gatling cannon

alright, thanks

[tacit epoch]

should I focus on the beam upgrade? I can't seem to break through sector 8

[waxen rose]

Yeah the next beam upgrade is big

[tacit epoch]

alright then I'll have to wait for a while

[void hemlock]

What loadout do you guys recommend for part 3 of this challenge?

[waxen rose]

1 Beam, 3xLC, 2xBulk

[void hemlock]

Thank you

[tight wolf]

I'm at sector 30, it's apparent I'm behind on challenges. So I was looking into challenge guidance. The green flash is useful, but it would be nice to have more coherent lists of requirements on the wiki. I was particularly looking for "you can do the challenge if you have x" but without necessarily wanting to see spoilery full guides with late-game content. So, are there a good values for x?

For Synth Purity and Power Hungry it seems straightforward, Synth Speed and Void Power Max without utility modules. The wiki has that chart already for Synth, and I can make one for Void easily.

Base Carry you may need to specify for multiple bases, but would "Components upgrade level X in base Y" be good enough? Those are the end product of bases so far, so it would more or less require the levels in other tiles too. Or is that no longer true for bases 3/4/5?

That leaves Core Computing, which seems awkward with speed, power, +cap, and various bonuses. Would "row capped" work for approximate minimums? Or are there later upgrades I don't know about that screw that up? Saying you can beat a challenge if you cap "row 5 and 6 (Advanced)" only spoils that "advanced" compute rows exist, which is pretty mild.

Actually filling in those minimums would be the next step, but I'd like to least get some charts going.

(thank you for coming to my ted talk)

[tight wolf]

This is what I came up with

[astral zenith]

general consensus for wiki is to spoiler anything s75+
if we move that any lower then we need to spoiler 80% of the content

[tight wolf]

fair enough, but I do think it's nice to have some chance of getting an answer to "can i do base challenge 3" without seeing "here is the exact layout that solves B3"

[waxen rose]

Yeah I like having general approximations on the main challenge page

[tight wolf]

although, the C9 approximation being a meme strat is kind of mean

someone trying it for themselves would have a time

[astral zenith]

showing the numbers also shows there are more compute bars

and some players decide to never hover on a compute bar

[astral zenith]

the levels shown on wiki requires you to use specific setups
if wiki tells you you can do the challenge while game doesnt flash green, you need more specific setups

having 1 less level on drain reducer tend to mess things up

there are also some intentionally keeping component levels low(while outside of challenge) to be able to sustain the drain

[tight wolf]

do you need the full building counts or is it exactly the drain reducers that are necessary?

[astral zenith]

there are things like this

[waxen rose]

You could just show the cost of all buildings in the table

Spacing needs to be fixed tho

[astral zenith]

there is still this part

[waxen rose]

Well

You dont see the layout on just the Challenges page do you

[tight wolf]

we could compromise with just adding drain reducers if they are special

i really think components are enough to specify mats and parts

you need those to get the components in any reasonable time, it would be pathological to have your components outlevel them

it only needs to be an estimate

[tight wolf]

You're right about that though, I should also spell out "Nth bar"

[astral zenith]

there is just no way to not spoil the advanced bars exist. any other way will just be more confusing than saying cap+

[tight wolf]

eh, the names themselves are pretty confusing until you have them in front of you

i feel like this does a pretty good job

[astral zenith]

and then add "cc5 and above needs the upgrade from base 2"

[gleaming ridge]

if i follow what is tell i can do the cc9 but not sure if is really possible

[tight wolf]

Am I taking crazy pills or are the guide builds for compute messed up

T2 weapons and sheilds for challenge 4 or 5 can't be right

[waxen rose]

Why not

You wanna be able to level them

[tight wolf]

im doin challenge 5, i would be limping in to a level 20 T2 beam at best

[waxen rose]

Oh

[tight wolf]

when im about to win with a 120-ish T1

[small trout]

then you dont have enough compute boost from base or forgeting vdevice for compute...

[tight wolf]

i don't know what to tell you

i did it with a t1 beam in an hour

or maybe it was 2hrs

doable anyway

[small trout]

i didnt say it wasnt doable.. im saying the pin isnt wrong.. with proper prep and t2 you complet challenge in little as 15mins or less

[tight wolf]

the little bits of damage from levels are also x10! you're getting x100 damage from just 100 raw levels

before any milestones

T2 in compute makes 0 sense until you can get 70 at least

basically you're saying, if you bring insane overkill of compute, you get a big enough pile of salvage to make up for a bad build

[small trout]

im sayin with proper prep you only need 1 or 2 milestons with t2 and it takes 10mins not hrs for challenge

[tight wolf]

a level 20 T2 does way less damage than the equivalent T1, that's the point

[small trout]

not arguing anymore... do what works for you , but pins and guides are writen with time and efficentancy in mind. there are many strats. some better than others.

[tight wolf]

whatever complute level that can do it in 15 minutes with t2, there's a much smaller amount that can do it in 15 with T1

T2 isnt right

T2 is more efficient is the part that wrong, i wouldn't mention it if it was just fringe alternative

it's objectively worse

[small trout]

your oppinion is noted ... have a good day

[tight wolf]

you don't have to agree with me cause some random guy says so, but could you ask someone else you trust maybe

[small trout]

weve had the discussions and test from multiple people following old wiki guides, usi common info, etc. again there are many strats that work and brute forcing for 1 to 2 hrs is viable, it can not be completed in 10-15mins and using lower tier weapon wont achieve the same time as diminishing returs is a thing past lvl 110.. hence the need for higher tier weapons as you progress..

[tight wolf]

dammit, confounding evidence 😦

you're so sure im a wrong noob you've fixated on my time, which doesn't matter

my compute was low, that's it. if i'd been using T2 my time would have been multiple days, because i would have had to wait for a huge Tracking instead of under cap TRacking

for the "correct" compute, whatever that is, T1 is still better

[tight wolf]

T2 does 2000 damage, T1 does 12. That upgrade is worth x167 damage.

The five basic Weapon Power nodes on the T1 at levels 30/40/80/95/110 give 3.5^5= 525x damage.

T2 is out of the picture before even counting Mass Focuser and Improved Tracking, or the superior basic level damage on the T1.

[small trout]

incorrect.

[tight wolf]

fantastic!

i do want to know what i'm missing

[small trout]

youre looking at data outside challage,,, the challenge changes stats and and node.. also, wer not comparing a lvl 110+ weapon of t1 to a lvl 110 of t2..
we are comparing time required to complete core comp and why the weapon was recomended. when you go into core comp with "ideal stats/ boosts" you want to complete challenge in less than 30 mins... for a t1 weapon to get to the lvl required to beat final boss or you to get enough wave clear for tracking t1 will take longer than 30 mins where as youll have everything you need with t2 in less time. t2 weapopn will not be above improved tracking and wont require any time to farm it will insta kill boss...

[tight wolf]

that's literally nonsense

i am using the numbers from the challenge

i just showed T1 does more with no contribution whatsoever from tracking

[tight wolf]

In the challenge, Refit from T2 to T1, seconds apart, literally 10,000x more damage on T1. Even more, this T2 cost 100x more salvage, I would have enough for this T1 setup in a couple of minutes.

2.25x from tracking, so it's 3800x better

at 0 seconds

[small trout]

and you need roughly 6e11 damage ... youre over 30 mins.. means you shouldnt be doing the challenge yet... so to get t1 to that point would take more time than getting t2 to that point in 30 mins with proper prep before going into challenge.. the point is to clear in less time..

your information is correct if you dont care about time effeciancy and are brute forcing... \

[tight wolf]

...it doesn't matter how long it takes to get the salvage, the T1 is 3800 times better than the T2

[small trout]

we are done arguing as we seem to not be discussing the same thing.

[tight wolf]

until you can afford WAY WAY more salvage than C5 challenge needs

there is no realistic time you can get with T2 that you can't get faster with T1

maybe slightly faster due to the longer range, if you have enough dps to instant kill, but that's not relevant

stipulated, we should recommend more compute. we should NOT recommend T2

[small trout]

if you followed pins then you wouldnt be having this discussion and hard time understand why i recomend t2

you did core compute which challenge?

5?

[tight wolf]

yeah

[small trout]

core compute 5 isnt recomemded to be don until ~s42

so stop please... im done with this discussion

[tight wolf]

that's cool, but it can be done FASTER at ~s42 with T1 than it can with T2

because T2 is worse for this

[small trout]

blocked

[waxen rose]

Lol

[tight wolf]

look can you tell me im wrong and why

or failing that, mediate gently?

[waxen rose]

I haven't done the CC challenge in quite a long time so I don't remember all the intricacies sadly

But maybe I'll load an old save and try your way out just to get some data

[tight wolf]

any save with a later CC available would work

just compare salvage

[tight wolf]

Its sadly much less clean, but as my recent hour+ adventure showed capped bars is not enough resolution. does this look ok?

that's 20x more salvage than the naked bar 11, should be plenty

for some weird reason capped bar 11 was only 5x more than capped bar 10. from 12 on it goes up by 1000x each time, so i suspect the rest of those recs may be fine

[small trout]

that graph is trash as a goal use the original recomended sector list and people wont strugle or waste time

[tight wolf]

that's totally abitrary

[waxen rose]

I was never able to do CC8 and 9 at 49

[tight wolf]

nothing but compute matters right?

if someone has 10x more or less compute on that sector they will be late or early

[small trout]

lol because you dont know all the chese mechanics... that was average sector... its deffietly easier in s50+ for ||crew||

[waxen rose]

Fair lol

But then its a bit "misleading" imo to just put that as a goal

[small trout]

well that bar graph doesnt help set anyone up for sucess in any way or shape..

with secors complete they will have stats needed incedently

[tight wolf]

ok but the question is supposed to be "when can i do it reasonably"

not "at wwhat point will it definitely be super easy"

[small trout]

reasonable is subjective

you doing 2hrs in cc5 is not reasonable

if you was in s40 like recomended youd take 10mins for cc5

[waxen rose]

But thats the thing about those last 3, they won't if they don't know they need to follow specific cheese strats

[tight wolf]

exactly? hence "cap bar 11" was wrong

and i needed to add the new column. it's less aesthetic though, i dislike that

[waxen rose]

Thats tables for ya

They suck

[small trout]

fair, but thats where can say updated recomendation over 49 to say 52

but even at s52 if people dont know how to set up cs or done all the prep work on cs they will still struggle with cc8 and cc9

so its either learn chese or come ask anyways lmao

[tight wolf]

if someone follows the requirement guide, gets stuck, doesn't figure it out. their option is to abandon and wait or come look up the meme strat

and if they have a refit left they can just do it

[small trout]

seeing as youre editing core compute. why dont you add the 2 most important things over that dumb compute graph...
factor 1... proper ship config(regardless of tier) for required boss/range.. (ship config includes vdevic locations for optimization)
factor 2... boss stats and est required to kill .... example boss has range of 600 5e11 shield and 5e11 hull, does 6e9 damage, youd want shields of 7en shields and 7e11 damage to kill before youd die and range 700..

[waxen rose]

Ship config is listed on the detailed challenge guide so idk if we want it there as well

[small trout]

ship config isnt same for all for challenges though

[tight wolf]

nah that was a deliberate choice. "Challenges" page doesn't do strats

[small trout]

so listing on top page makes no sense

[tight wolf]

just descirtion of the challenge and basic reqs

[small trout]

imo poor choice but not my problem so ok 😛

[waxen rose]

https://usi.game-vault.net/wiki/Core_Computing_Challenge_Guide I meant this one

[tight wolf]

the strats are in the individual challenge pages

[waxen rose]

On there we have the loadout and stuff too

[small trout]

didnt know that was added

[waxen rose]

Yeah the Challenges page just has the general guidelines and the links to these guide pages

[small trout]

is there new guide like taht for all 4 challenges now?

[waxen rose]

Yeah

https://usi.game-vault.net/wiki/Challenges on here under each challenge

[small trout]

great work then to wiki autorhs

[waxen rose]

Glad to see it actually getting used

Some of them I need to go over for grammar again though lol

[upper dove]

"Bar 3 and 4"?

[small trout]

and this is why i keep saying that graph is trash lmao

[tight wolf]

the challenge help screen literally uses that convention

"first 4 bars"

[small trout]

and people constantly came here because they didnt understand

sylv never changed it so people just learn eventually, but its a nuciance question

[small trout]

to answer you... go to compute page... count the bars

in challenge those bars are how you get salvage

so you need the top 4 bars in green mode

if they are just yellow/orange you wont have easy time

[tight wolf]

I could see "N green bars" being a better way to say it

than "bar N"

[small trout]

or you could lable the bars

damage 1 shield 1 damage 2 shield 2 etch

thats on the compute page far left of bar

and stop refering to number

[tight wolf]

ehhhh

[tight wolf]

really dont like that option because talking about "+cap +cap" to someon without the advanced screen unlocked will NOT help them understand lol

better or worse?

[small trout]

if they dont have adv compute unlocked they dont need to be doing cc 5+

[upper dove]

Worse, IMO

[small trout]

so there isnt confusion other than begining explanation of challenge recomendations..

dont start cc5 till you have adv compute unlock... alleviates all confusion

[upper dove]

Well, it says as much in the Challenge Guide

[tight wolf]

sure, that's not someting anyone should recommend

[small trout]

oh... lol i wasnt talking to you on that point...

[tight wolf]

bar 11 is advanced

[small trout]

we was discussing using num,ber of bar vrs just using identifing name of bar

[waxen rose]

Personally I think using the names is better tbh

Also makes it easier to actually use this table to check if you're ready

Without having to count 13 bars lol

[upper dove]

Like this then?

[tight wolf]

ha

[small trout]

i still dont like that graph, but yes overal with names its cleared imo.

[tight wolf]

funny, i'd never done it so i had not noticed it ends before the really confusing names

so i mind it less

[upper dove]

I was in the middle of doing that, raisins

But I've managed to add the extra bit I had done to the description

[waxen rose]

I hate that mediawiki doesnt give a warning when someone else is editing the file

[small trout]

do you have save files for those cc completions?

[waxen rose]

Oh wait, I thought you were adding that table to Challenges and not the CC guide in particular

[small trout]

something to add to that graph is est time for completion with your said bar count.. to judge if its reasonable or not

because your cc5 with only this bar done is sub par. at 2hrs

[tight wolf]

right, the "plus some bar 12" is because of that

should verify that

i checkd, my save before then is a bit aways

[small trout]

even with part of 12... again thats not an ideal recomendation so i wouldnt put that on the graph

without showing est time

so that people can make thier own decision if 2hrs is ok or they want to wait for bar 12/13 full or not

[tight wolf]

well, i have the build in 5min

flying to s16 to see if i can kill the boss haha

[small trout]

are you using ractor for speed

engine speed that is

[tight wolf]

yeah

[small trout]

and challenge is o kill 17 boss if i recall

nvm im wrong says pins 😛

i dont recall lmao

[tight wolf]

it honestly could have been faster, i was messing around to get the right amount of compute

in the normal run i would just click max on things

[small trout]

auto optimize negates need for that

[tight wolf]

well, while i fly: i do 4e12 dps and do 1300% shield. the boss is 4e12 sheilds and takes charge time 5 to attack me. i think i got this

[astral zenith]

thonk

[tight wolf]

nope, hubris

or bad math

[astral zenith]

beam has 15s ramp time

[tight wolf]

i need to grind some levels and tracking, but it's not going to take long

sure but i do at least 2/15th of that in second 2 right

[tight wolf]

welp, good call. underestimated it again

36min, i can do about 80% of the boss

it will probably be a 45 minute run or so, i have to leave now so i cant finish, and the tracking will blow past it before i get back

but it would be about there

maybe just call it green bar 1.25 cap and be done with it

[tight wolf]

I am a huge asshole. So basically you were right and I was wrong, Completion 5 will never be "easy" with a T1 beam.

I made a labyrinthine spreadsheet.

To beat the boss of 16b in Compute Challenge 5

This is pure damage/salvage. A real T2 will have the better range, and by "4 Cap+" you would have more "Compute Levels Gained" bonuses which multiply salvage income. So in the real world that 50 minutes would be maybe half that.

Though, I was correct so far as when the challenge becomes possible, and that you can't use T2 beams then. So it depends how long a "practical" completion time is, and how much you think the challenge reward would help along the way. We can include the information on the wiki, but I agree such a long method should not be the default recommendation on the chart.

[small trout]

sorry i wasnt better at explaining.. but as i said, we had done extensive testing

we are cool, just try not to argue every time advice is given.. its ok to ask question but when asked to stop or change topic thats point to drop it ok?

[tight wolf]

basically just put 4 cap+ on the chart and a line about "yuo can do this early with T1 if you have an hour or two"

ehhh. i like to be told when and how i'm wrong, not just that I am

...to that point, I was mega-wrong about CC5 being T1 beam, but the pin guide also still says T2 for CC4 which i maintain should be T1 😛

[small trout]

some people like me cant always articulate every single nuansiance so that wont happen everytime the occurnce happens but i understand youre desire to learn

[small trout]

what was your time ?

if its not sub 1 hr theres no point in changing the pin

[tight wolf]

well idk but i beat it in that test i was doing for 5 that i quit at 36 min

T2 needs "4 Cap+" is the takeaway

[tight wolf]

anyways, this is the chart now. so if anyone has the bars for ?

[restive falcon]

what does level cost mean?

[small trout]

cost lvl is a math formula of these two number

speed times power will giver you lvls ... how many lvls for cost is how fast the bar bills

[tight wolf]

if you mouse over the bar it's in the tooltip

now that we're using the names i think the cost is more trouble than it's worth after all, i'll cut it

[restive falcon]

so right now 1.25e4 x 3375 = 4.218e7. so I am close to having the compute power for CC3?

[small trout]

if raisins graph is correct

we didnt use that graph for completion we used normal sector mark

[tight wolf]

how close are Damage 4 and Shield 4 to all green, that's the point

[restive falcon]

guess i should try cc1 lol

[small trout]

s24 can complete cc3 easy

[tight wolf]

honestly the challenges are long and the benefit small at low level

[restive falcon]

i also need to prestige more... 🤦‍♂️

[tight wolf]

the "optimal" route probably involves waiting and doing more than one at once lol

you should be able to do both 1 and 2 at the same run

when you beat 1 it asks if you want to keep going

[restive falcon]

is it just the sector that gets you the credit for each?

[tight wolf]

it's a prestige reset

you blow up and start over for all challenges

if you're strong enough to do level X, you can do all the way there

[small trout]

killing boss of required sectors

also listed in pins

[restive falcon]

are LC's typically ran in support for the challenges?

[small trout]

each challenge has its own setups and strats read the pins in each discussion

rules changes as there isnt an overal setup or guide

[restive falcon]

all there is is
CC 1 - Beam / LC / LC 2x Bulk
CC2 - Beam / LC / LC 2x Bulk

[small trout]

oh for this challenge yes lc is full support

sorry i thoough you was asking in general for all challenges 😦 that was my bad

[restive falcon]

think i found a bug.

looks like wave clears stopped counting when i finished CC1

i've been at 117 wave clears since i entered sector 6, been farming 8 and still at 117

know if this is intended or should I drop it in bug reports?

nvm, reloaded game and its counting again 👀

[small trout]

id still report in bug and solution with it for dev team to adress

that was a bug and unintended

[restive falcon]

will load an old save and test again to make sure it's not me being dumb lol

[tight wolf]

are you looking at the stats page, or at the mouseover of improved tracking?

because I noticed the stats page wave count doesn't update in real time, you need to close it and reopen it

[restive falcon]

yeah it was the stats page. and i was drawing a blank on whether or not i was reloading it, which is why i will retest on an old save to rule me out, more likely being the issue lol

[tight wolf]

well, i got warp compute sync and got to S40, and had 10 Cap+ maxed like I was pretty sure I needed for Completion 6, so it let it rip

rolled straight through C6, C7 and C8 in one run

the balancing of these is weird!

anyways, the C6 build will already just beat C8 in about 50min. probably faster? i was sitting afk for some of that and not fully synthed and stuff

[gleaming ridge]

I finally beat CC9 without the capstone skill and if I was careful I could have done it sooner

[small trout]

@tight wolf when you get chance you might want to add the sector(s) that are great for farming tracking... and or how much improved tracking you had at end of challenge...

S4 is first sector thats good..

[fleet bridge]

time to give this a shot

CC4

[small trout]

wait..

[fleet bridge]

ur everywher elol

[small trout]

when you get done can you screenshot compute page with run time at top?

please and thanx

[fleet bridge]

cc4?

[small trout]

if thats your target yep yep

[fleet bridge]

sure

[small trout]

any of them will be helpful

[fleet bridge]

gotta figure what weapons etc

[small trout]

in pins

😛

[fleet bridge]

yeah im getting there

my highest sector is 37 FYI, can't clear it but reached it

currently on 11 in cc4

12

13

on 14, but barely beat 13

oops, turns out there was an enemy behind him i could not see, and the laser was on it lol

sector 14 kicks my butt

need more comp

why does it suggest v1 and v2 bulk on cc4?

[small trout]

because salvage is an issue.. you can only really lvl 1 or 2 v2 cores... so you wann pick surviability

[fleet bridge]

ahh

maybe ium just a bit late on it

cause im here

[small trout]

again.. just wanna see runtime and compute page at end... so i can see what balance changes has done 😛

[fleet bridge]

isnt that gonna be abit relative to what else ive done?

ie base 2 level?

[small trout]

not reall because we can cross reference wiki, pins etc with the numbers you have...

if youre over powered we will se it

[fleet bridge]

oh?

[small trout]

compute page shows base 2 in realative terms

base 2 affects these 2 attributes

[fleet bridge]

ah

would u say im better to turn reactor off

[small trout]

no

[fleet bridge]

farm up void energy, to level up computer

then farm compute

then i can have more computer power quicker

[small trout]

youre better to farm improved tracking over compute itself

[fleet bridge]

whast that?

[small trout]

as tracking benifits form 10x where salvage income will stay static per bar speed

[small trout]

milestone 6 ability on both shields and weapons

hover mouse over it

[fleet bridge]

oh

should i go to easy ewaves then?

[small trout]

s4 has fastest wave clear this early

or use void beacon module

synth

[fleet bridge]

dont see that one?

[small trout]

t3 unlock... better synth more 😛

[fleet bridge]

im at t5

[tight wolf]

wait, you're on CC5? to wave 16?

[fleet bridge]

cc4 to wave 14

[fleet bridge]

beta wave 14

idont have that module?

[tight wolf]

you have level 90 T2 equipment, that's in the challenge already?

those t2 shields?

and your weapon is all beam+gattling?

[small trout]

i told you youre stats was to low bud

you dont listen

[tight wolf]

no that's insanely high is my point

[small trout]

its not

[tight wolf]

he should be doing CC6 easily with that, something is messed up

[fleet bridge]

why dont i have that module?

[small trout]

my pin is proof

[small trout]

we can trouble shoot that later

😛

[tight wolf]

well maybe not 6, he might need to beat S40 for that

but 5 should be a cakewalk

[fleet bridge]

i cant even beat 4 yet

[tight wolf]

can we see your weapons?

[tight wolf]

oh lol

[small trout]

you used v3 beam...

not v2

[tight wolf]

your main damage is level 0. retrofit that beam to Beam Laser to 2.0

[small trout]

thats your problem

[fleet bridge]

oh oops ;p;

[tight wolf]

you will win instantly

told you something was wrong, there was no way lol

[small trout]

but my point still stands someone using v2 in cc4 is the norm raisins

your wiki isnt up to snuff

[tight wolf]

i dont see how you think this example proves your point rather than mine

the general point is arguable, but this guy was way late

[small trout]

youree working on limited data im working with over a year

[tight wolf]

i was trying to argue you shoudl beat CC5 with T1 man

[small trout]

this guy is a little over power because he can afford (all v2) but the average person "*can" affor 2 v2 cores here

[tight wolf]

which works but take over an hour, so i give you taht one

beating CC4 with T2 is beyond overkill

[small trout]

his nrun time will be less than 1 hr

[fleet bridge]

still wrecked on 14

[tight wolf]

CC5 is the one that actually needs it

[fleet bridge]

need to farm up that thing i guess

[tight wolf]

use laser boost and routing

[fleet bridge]

routing?

[tight wolf]

set all the T1 laser cannons to bottom row

then push the laser boost button a lot

[fleet bridge]

that helped

beat it

[tight wolf]

you can just beat CC5 too now

[tight wolf]

your current build is already enough

and you already have 30 minutes of improved tracking built up, might as well

[fleet bridge]

15 dead

16 boss 1 shots me though

need to farm up my V2 shields more

[tight wolf]

are you in the right one? 16b i think

the one with shields

[fleet bridge]

ya

i retrofit so back at lvl 85 shields

[tight wolf]

and beam laser is all top row except mass focus?

[fleet bridge]

there, beat it ebfore it could hit me lol

[tight wolf]

yep

[fleet bridge]

42min

dont think i can do any more of any challenge now

so what to do now...

probably tryto push into base3

[tight wolf]

you need to clear sector 40

[fleet bridge]

37 kicked my ass before all these challenges. dead in first 50 distanec

[tight wolf]

and max the next compute bar

that will get you through CC6-8

[fleet bridge]

clearing 40 will be tough

hm,,,V2 or v3 do you think now?

dont think i can afford v3

[tight wolf]

idk your build but work on getting warp routes up probably. warp is real strong

[small trout]

as to void beacon

[small trout]

you need to synth that material

[fleet bridge]

not even unlocked yet

lol

that tier is SOOO SLOWW

[small trout]

base 3 bro

[fleet bridge]

yah i need to get there

lol

what is it at?

39?

or 40?

[small trout]

39

[fleet bridge]

so the goal is 39 then

only 1 retrofit left, so cant f it up

[small trout]

goal is 40... gota kill 39 bos 😛

[fleet bridge]

V2 or V3 u think?

[tight wolf]

how high do you get T2

[small trout]

stay v2... farm tracking

you dont have income for v3

[fleet bridge]

beam v2 is 116. but im only at sector 24 so much less drops

maybe i'll go to MS and see how much scrap im getting

[small trout]

ms?

its on compute page

[fleet bridge]

max sector

[small trout]

its not by secotr in challenge

[fleet bridge]

challenge is beat

im onto pushing 40

[small trout]

hove bar over compute bar

then your in wrong chat lol

[fleet bridge]

lol

i was just continung the convo :p

cause who knew if youd check over the other chat 😉

[small trout]

ping whoever you want 😛

[median kelp]

Should I use v3 weapons for cc challenge as soon as I unlock them since salvage doesn't drop?

[small trout]

salvage is from compute.. you wont have enough computing power to afforde core upgrades

chk the pins for aprox challenge when upgrading tier of cores

[median kelp]

Ahh yeah… it’s been a bit since I’ve done this challenge totally forgot that

[livid nexus]

Anyone can help me troubleshoot why i am not clearing through to CC9 like i feel like I should probably be able to?

1 beam 5 lasers, setup as the pin, sector 46 highest, and I can't clear CC7? I feel like im missing something

[astral zenith]

2.0?

supportive routing
mass focuser
perma laser

[livid nexus]

supportive routing you mean on the LC's? Yes,

Mass focuser abd laser boost

just get 1 shot by the boss before I kill it

i realized im behind on base and power challenges by 1 each, gonna clear those and then retry

the power one "COULD" influence it? Maybe?

[livid nexus]

Yeah, I don't know, I'm lost, does it require a certain upgrade in warp or something?points in this maybe?

[tight wolf]

can we see your weapons in core tab

the main thing i'm looking for is Beam Laser needs to be T2 and be a good level, but you mentioned mass focuser so that should be good

oh, and you're going to sector 17b right, the one with shields

[ripe shadow]

So it looks like you want your cores to be around level 200?

[tight wolf]

nah that much and you'd be better off with T3

[ripe shadow]

Hm..

When I tried I just faceplanted trying to do the normal method.

Are you saying I should try the T3 build?

[tight wolf]

you want level 110 weapons basically

if you can afford like lv90 of the next teir then do that

[ripe shadow]

Oh definitely not.

[tight wolf]

but otherwise the x10 milestones and x10 level up damage is too sweet

[ripe shadow]

I'd have to leave it like... overnight, which not ideal?

[tight wolf]

that shouldnt be necessary

remember that improved tracking is ticking and is worth x10, and levels are worth x10

[ripe shadow]

Then what am I missing, here?

More farming?

[tight wolf]

so like, you are a lot stronger over time

[tight wolf]

but you might be missing some nodes? i feel like you shouldnt be struggling that bad you have way more salvage than i did

[tight wolf]

nope that's all correct

[ripe shadow]

I just get one shot , is all.

Do I run a deflector for 19-21? Because the guide doesn't seem to suggest that.

[small trout]

let me see your shield cores

[ripe shadow]

Ah I see.

[small trout]

youre over lvled v2 cores wont get as much as a high lvl v3 core... you dont have shield hp

[ripe shadow]

OK so like....

When I go to retro to v3s.

I can't get to improved tracking and instadie.

[tight wolf]

ehh idk if that's true. he'd be at level 50 t3

[ripe shadow]

She.

[tight wolf]

oops. soprry. anyway i dont thinkt that's better in this challenge

[ripe shadow]

No worries!

I have to swap to the kinetic side of the build now anyways hm.

[small trout]

you should not be doing cc9 without crew...

[ripe shadow]

[tight wolf]

she's doing cc8 lol

[ripe shadow]

What're you talking about.

Also CC8 is done.

[tight wolf]

gg

[ripe shadow]

So run this for CC9?

[tight wolf]

you can, if you have the retrofits left

[ripe shadow]

I do, even if I messed up a bit.

[tight wolf]

you need to do the boss wave despawn cheese and stuff

[ripe shadow]

💥

I wonder if there's graphs for the CC completions vs compute levels boosts.

But for the simplest math around... these are log scales compared to each other.

The top is x^0.68, the bottom x^0.5.

I'll probably throw together smth nicer tomorrow, but hey , I'm glad I got that done.

[livid nexus]

been at work all day, but this right here is probably the error. I think I was going a. didnt even think about that...

finishing out this farm and then gonna try that

Nah, 18 just beats me, not sure why but i die with the boss at like 30%

[median kelp]

Can't seem to beat s19 in cc8, any ideas why? Tried to do some searching but haven't found anything really that's pointing out what's wrong

Not able to do enough damage before the boss one shots me

[livid nexus]

I'm there now, after sitting at s18 for a while and I think the key may be that you/I need more wave clears for the improved tracking

after failing 19 several times, i dropped back a small bit and just farming waves now

[median kelp]

Yeah that's probably it... I guess I'll sit in 19 for a while and turn void beacon on hahaha

[livid nexus]

im actually not sure this is the best use of time idling this up. Probably could just go raise my highest sector to 50+ and then come back and do these easier maybe?

[ripe shadow]

Once you get to a certain point, you need to start saving and loading right before the boss, but also, farm more waves in 17A if you need.

It shouldn't take more than an hour to get to a point where you can do it.

[livid nexus]

Can you elaborate on the saving and loading strategy? Do I just save at like xx9x and load from there to skip the last wave or something?

[ripe shadow]

When you see incoming danger, save, quit, and reload.

[livid nexus]

So 1:20 into this run, i still cant kill the boss on 19 before he kills me

[ripe shadow]

What're your cores?

[livid nexus]

screenshots 5-6 messages up

those are mine, 1 beam rest LC, reactor and computer

people who did this with max sector of like 43 I genuinely don't understand how

[livid nexus]

nevermind, looks like it really was just farming improved tracking a bit higher. After clearing 19, 20 and 21 fell super easy

[small trout]

to long imo....

yes improved tracking is super important... 10-15mins should be spent just in s4 for tracking before pushing ...

[fleet bridge]

@small trout want CC6 stats at the end?

Just in case you do

CC7 done also very soon

deflector shield was the winner on that one

Same stats also beat CC8

again, deflector was the champion

[raw kernel]

Thanks, I completed CC9 at S47. Didn't use any Pristine Synth upgrades. Also accidentally prestiged into the Kinetic/Bomb loadout at S19 instead of after, but it didn't matter. Was still able to power through the boss by swapping some of the nodes around.

[polar quartz]

Trying CC9. Using the strategy to switch to bomb and kinetic at the start of s20. Can’t get to boss cause bombs fly so slow

Any ideas?

[fleet bridge]

im starting CC9 now

ON s11

stuck onS18 now

only 10 min in tho

get 1 shot tho

[polar quartz]

I got stuck on s20. Was getting 1 shot

Any updates @fleet bridge

[fleet bridge]

still on s18

what buildu use to get to 20

18 kicking my butt

whats ur base 2 compute bonus?

and whats ur max sector uve reached?

[fleet bridge]

can kill its shield but thats it

switche to V2 from V3 beam, and insta won S18

19 also

[polar quartz]

You insta yea I got stuck on 20

Was using the guide from the wiki

[fleet bridge]

at 20 now

lets see

[polar quartz]

Was shooting really slow bombs

They killed everything they hit but fired too slow

And I have just a little less base 2 compute than u

[fleet bridge]

maybe need more this?

[polar quartz]

Yea was thinking that. But I didn’t want to wait

You still using beam and 5 x LC setup?

[fleet bridge]

this was sinificantly worse for me

cant even kill one enemy with that biold