How send Snapshot btrfs (timeshift) from PC to hard disk external

[vast compass]

Hello, how send snapshot btrfs to external hard disk? is there a software with GUI interface or how with command line? thanks

[bleak sluice]

You can doing it with rsync via timeshift

[vast compass]

With btrfs

Btrfs it's more better, not problem for restore, with rsync have problem with restore.

[bleak sluice]

If you insiist using btrfs snapshot you can copy your backup data in dd from /run/timeshift/"number of your snapshot" into another device such as an USB stick. Withz rsync it is much more safe when you doing it to an external device

[vast compass]

Know the software butter for backup to external hard disk? It's available only Fedora distro.

[bleak sluice]

It is available for all distros. You need to make a new btrfs pool

[vast compass]

Where to find? in the store how flatpak or Deb?

[bleak sluice]

btrfs-progs should be preinstalled by any btrfs install and it is all you need tools such as snapper, timeshift etc. are just for convinience. https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs. I can not guide you through everything because I do not know what kind of back up you really want. Rsync is the most confi way sofar if you want to store back up on external device

[pliant zodiac]

You cannot send snapshots created by Timeshift because they are not in RO mode, but in RW mode.
You should set it RO to send it.
There are CLI software like btrbk: https://github.com/digint/btrbk
or GUI (untested) Butter: https://github.com/zhangyuannie/butter

[vast compass]

How install butter on ubuntu or Vanilla Os?

[elder river]

I will check it out and let you know.

[vast compass]

Ok, thank you!

[elder river]

Hey regarding this https://github.com/zhangyuannie/butter/blob/main/BUILDING.md is available for Fedora and Arch to install it in Vanilla you need to install meson and ninja in ABRoot Shell and then follow the steps to build. (If git isn't present install it too)

[vast compass]

Which command use for install meson and ninja in Vanilla or Ubuntu.?

[elder river]

Inside abroot use apt normally

[vast compass]

Ok

[elder river]

sudo abroot exec apt install meson ninja then reboot

[vast compass]

ok after installed meson and ninja how install butter? always apt?

[elder river]

Inside abroot do it, before that check if you have git

[vast compass]

not have git

[elder river]

Oh, then you need to install it too sudo abroot exec apt install git then reboot

[vast compass]

ok

[vast compass]

now for install butter apt install butter-git

[elder river]

Huh, butter doesn't have apt package you need to build and install it manually

First, clone the repo and cd to it and then do these steps https://github.com/zhangyuannie/butter/blob/main/BUILDING.md#build-and-install inside sudo abroot shell.

[vast compass]

now i have the folder butter in /home

[elder river]

cp /butter /tmp/butter

then inside sudo abroot shell do cd /tmp/butter

[elder river]

Then build it using this

[vast compass]

cp: impossibile eseguire stat di '/butter': File o directory non esistente

[elder river]

Oh, where is the file present in home?

[vast compass]

ok all apath

[elder river]

maybe try cp /home/butter /tmp/butter in cp

[elder river]

I don't know Spanish, but I guess it says the file doesn't exist so check the location of the cloned directory

[vast compass]

yes

directory not exist

I'm doing something wrong

can i copy without commands?

right click copy

[elder river]

Sure, Go to Files -> Copy the folder -> then go to Other locations

VanillaOS -> tmp -> paste it

[vast compass]

ok

ok copied

[elder river]

Now do this

Then https://github.com/zhangyuannie/butter/blob/main/BUILDING.md#build-and-install

[vast compass]

now I'm in the tmp/butter directory

[elder river]

Nice

[vast compass]

but when launch the command

how launch the program?

[elder river]

exit

then reboot

After, that you will see the icon

[vast compass]

this command not work, how launch?

$ meson --prefix=/usr build
$ ninja -C build

ninja -C build install

[elder river]

You don't see the icon?

In application menu

[vast compass]

not see the icon

[elder river]

Then I think Butter doesn't work with Ubuntu. I will ask the developer regarding it, I know him as I translate the project.

[vast compass]

ok not available for ubuntu

[elder river]

Asked to him in https://matrix.to/#/!AHVxjBqQveumHiNnmd:matrix.org/$4zfnnXRkmyfQIdsTd2Hn8NgwGKE46fnJ1JMytZ6O_GE?via=matrix.org

[vast compass]

when launch this command in the /tmp/butter

$ meson --prefix=/usr build
$ ninja -C build

ninja -C build install

command not finded
first two command launch not in abroot, right?

[vast compass]

let me know if you can get information on how to install it, thanks.

[elder river]

Sure

[vast compass]

however the ninja package won't isntall it, says package cannot be found.

[elder river]

It is part of meson

It is a required dependency, so no need to specify it manually IG in Ubuntu.

[vast compass]

meson.build:1:0: ERROR: Unknown compiler(s): [['rustc']]
The following exception(s) were encountered:
Running "rustc --version" gave "[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rustc'"

A full log can be found at /tmp/butter/build/meson-logs/meson-log.txt
anubu81@anubu81-Lenovo-Legion-5-15IMH05H:/tmp/butter$ ninja -C build
ninja: Entering directory `build'
ninja: error: loading 'build.ninja': No such file or directory

this error when start command build

[elder river]

I guess you need to install rustc too

As the program is written on rust

[vast compass]

for istall this library with apt install

[elder river]

Yes

sudo abroot exec apt install rustc then reboot

[vast compass]

before i mess up the system maybe i won't go ahead, let me know if butter is installable on ubuntu by installing the dependencies....now ask the "cargo" dependencies.

[elder river]

That might take a while or a couple of days as the dev isn't a lot active

[vast compass]

ok

thanks

[vast compass]

The Meson build system
Version: 0.61.2
Source dir: /tmp/butter
Build dir: /tmp/butter/build
Build type: native build
Project name: butter
Project version: 1.0
Rust compiler for the host machine: rustc -C linker=cc (rustc 1.61.0)
Rust linker for the host machine: rustc -C linker=cc ld.bfd 2.38
Host machine cpu family: x86_64
Host machine cpu: x86_64
Program cargo found: YES (/usr/bin/cargo)
Program scripts/restorecon found: YES (/tmp/butter/scripts/restorecon)
Program scripts/cargo_build found: YES (/tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build)
Configuring org.zhangyuannie.butter.policy using configuration
Did not find pkg-config by name 'pkg-config'
Found Pkg-config: NO
Did not find CMake 'cmake'
Found CMake: NO
Run-time dependency systemd found: NO

data/meson.build:24:0: ERROR: Pkg-config binary for machine 1 not found. Giving up.

[placid skiff]

I got this error when trying to run ^ E: Unable to locate package ninja

[elder river]

Yes

[elder river]

.

[placid skiff]

and also, I installed git via apx install, is via abroot recommended instead?

[placid skiff]

I see, thanks

[elder river]

If you want it in the host then yeah, alternatively you can export the one in the container but it won't be accessible inside ABRoot I think.

[placid skiff]

for what I am trying to do it is fine. I guess I will cross that bridge of it comes to it

[placid skiff]

btw, must exports be made manually?

I noticed I couldnt use git after installing it inside of the the apt container

[elder river]

No, we removed git from base that's why. You can export the one from container using apx export --bin git

Ensure you are in latest version.

[placid skiff]

how do I do that?

[elder river]

sudo vso update-check

[placid skiff]

so I must export any package that isn't in base?

[elder river]

If it tells updates are possible then sudo vso trigger-update --now

[placid skiff]

im up to date

I could also have gone into vanilla settings app and clicked check for updates right?

[elder river]

No, you can export the ones when you need to run directly in terminal instead of apx run pkg or entering the container.

[elder river]

Yes

[placid skiff]

oh, so I must export everything I want to use outside of that container. got it

[elder river]

Just the ones you require frequently like vim, git, etc

[placid skiff]

I would suggest that anything installed in the apt container be exported by default

[elder river]

Because doing apx run vim ... is tiresome

[placid skiff]

as that is what most users would expect, i guess

[elder river]

That's how it works currently, but we can't parse through the packages you install inside it directly using any native package managers.

[placid skiff]

im not sure I understand the implication of that

[elder river]

i.e if you do apx install htop the icon (desktop entry) is created automatically as we can parse through it, but when inside the container you do apt install htop then you need to do apx export htop to signal apx to export the desktop entry and create an icon.

[placid skiff]

also, is there a difference between running apx export and apx export --bin ?

[placid skiff]

oh, makes sense. but I am pretty sure I installed git and scss both via apx and I cant just use them

[elder river]

Yes, apx export is for exporting the desktop entry or icon. And apx export --bin export the binary.

For example, let's see you do apx export htop an icon is created in Applications menu whereas in apx export --bin htop a binary is created where you can type htop in terminal to access it.

[placid skiff]

ok, I see

[elder river]

apx export --bin git and apx export --bin scss

If you face any issues ask in #1023245426385760267

[placid skiff]

so what is done automatically is this apx export

not apx export -- bin, right?

[elder river]

Yes

[placid skiff]

ok, thanks

[elder river]

I need to write docs so bye 👋

[placid skiff]

I would suggest then that be done automatically for the apt container, as that would be expected by most users

[placid skiff]

good luck and thanks!

[vast compass]

@elder river news for butter?

[elder river]

Oops, I totally forgot about it. Just now noticed the person has asked about which version of Ubuntu. I just replied now.

[vast compass]

the version of ubuntu is 22.04 lts

[elder river]

Oh yea

[elder river]

"No problem , butter v1.0 is for sure. Not sure about 2.0 tho. The only issue is if libadwaita version is met"

Seems like butter 1.0 works on Ubuntu but they aren't sure about 2.0.

[vast compass]

ok then I'll try to reinstall it, I think all the dependent libraries need to be installed.

[vast compass]

why when launch this command for build:

$ meson --prefix=/usr build
$ ninja -C build

command not found?

how Build and install?

i have launch the command from root but command not found

[vast compass]

i have copied the folder butter on /tmp but the icon not see in the application, how build and install, wich command?

[elder river]

Try ls then navigate to the directory using cd

Then build it using meson build and install it using ninja -C build install

[vast compass]

navigate in the butter folder? how launche meson.build?

[vast compass]

anubu81@vanilla:/tmp/butter$ ./meson.build
bash: ./meson.build: Permission denied
anubu81@vanilla:/tmp/butter$ ninja -C build install
bash: ninja: command not found

[elder river]

Wait a sec you aren't in abroot + ninja isn't installed 🫠

It must say root@vanilla # if you are inside

Did you do sudo abroot shell

[vast compass]

the command is launched from abroot?

[vast compass]

not abroot

now abroot shell, now navigate in the folder tmp/butter

[elder river]

Yes

[vast compass]

ok now i'm in the folder butter

which command launch?

[elder river]

Nice, now do meson build

[vast compass]

command not found

[elder river]

Oh 🫠, that's because you weren't in abroot shell before

Now do apt install meson

[elder river]

Then try this

[vast compass]

install also rustc

[elder river]

Yeah the dependencies too

[vast compass]

Pkg-config not found

[elder river]

Do apt install pkg-config

Then exit then reboot

[vast compass]

reboot the system or console?

[elder river]

Because, we need to build meson outside abroot as it needs Systemd, but for installation we need abroot.

[elder river]

System, just type reboot in terminal

[vast compass]

ok

after load meson build

[elder river]

Yep meson build then copy the directory to /tmp then sudo abroot shell

Then navigate to the correct dir then sudo ninja -C build install

exit then reboot to see Butter 🙂

[vast compass]

when reboot the dependence are cancelled

maybe is installated on tmp?

[elder river]

Type meson --version to check if it is present

[vast compass]

0.63.2

[elder river]

Try rustc --version too

[vast compass]

yes 1.61

[vast compass]

he Meson build system
Version: 0.63.2
Source dir: /tmp/butter
Build dir: /tmp/butter/build
Build type: native build
Project name: butter
Project version: 1.0
Rust compiler for the host machine: rustc -C linker=cc (rustc 1.61.0)
Rust linker for the host machine: rustc -C linker=cc ld.bfd 2.39
Host machine cpu family: x86_64
Host machine cpu: x86_64
Program cargo found: YES (/usr/bin/cargo)
Program scripts/restorecon found: YES (/tmp/butter/scripts/restorecon)
Program scripts/cargo_build found: YES (/tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build)
Configuring org.zhangyuannie.butter.policy using configuration
Found pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config (0.29.2)
Run-time dependency systemd found: YES 251
Configuring butter-schedule-snapshot.service using configuration
Configuring butter-schedule-prune.service using configuration
Configuring org.zhangyuannie.Butter1.service using configuration
Found pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config (0.29.2)
WARNING: Could not detect glib version, assuming 2.54. You may get build errors if your glib is older.
Program glib-compile-resources found: NO

[vapid sandal]

UBVan81#9420 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[vast compass]

Program glib-compile-resources found: NO

with apt install not install

not found the packet glib when launch apt install

[elder river]

Ok go into abroot shell

Now, run apt install clang

[vast compass]

now reboot

[elder river]

Just a sec

There are few more packages

[vast compass]

ah ok

[elder river]

I guess you can try rebooting, if you have failed build we can try installing the other ones

[vast compass]

ok

when install the dependences install from /home/butter not from tmp

[elder river]

Meson build worked?

[vast compass]

cancel the installation of dependences

[elder river]

Oh

[vast compass]

i reinstall the dependences

the problem is glib compile reosurce

[elder river]

Oh, this is getting harder to install. I will try this later this weekend when I get freetime and will let you know

[vast compass]

glib compile resource not found

[vast compass]

ok

[vast compass]

Program glib-compile-resources found: YES (/usr/bin/glib-compile-resources)
Program msgfmt found: YES (/usr/bin/msgfmt)
Program msginit found: YES (/usr/bin/msginit)
Program msgmerge found: YES (/usr/bin/msgmerge)
Program xgettext found: YES (/usr/bin/xgettext)
Configuring config.rs using configuration
Did not find CMake 'cmake'
Found CMake: NO
Build-time dependency gio-2.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
Program glib-compile-schemas found: YES (/usr/bin/glib-compile-schemas)
Program gtk4-update-icon-cache found: NO
Program gtk-update-icon-cache found: YES (/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache)
Program update-desktop-database found: YES (/usr/bin/update-desktop-database)
Build targets in project: 8

Found ninja-1.11.0 at /usr/bin/ninja

[vapid sandal]

UBVan81#9420 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[elder river]

Ok need to install cmake

[vast compass]

the problem now is only "gtk4-update-icon-cache"

[vast compass]

WARNING: CMake Toolchain: Failed to determine CMake compilers state Build-time dependency gio-2.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake) Program glib-compile-schemas found: YES (/usr/bin/glib-compile-schemas) Program gtk4-update-icon-cache found: NO Program gtk-update-icon-cache found: YES (/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache) Program update-desktop-database found: YES (/usr/bin/update-desktop-database) Build targets in project: 8

when launch ninja c build this is the results:

error: package gio-sys v0.16.3 cannot be built because it requires rustc 1.63 or newer, while the currently active rustc version is 1.61.0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build", line 40, in <module> ).check_returncode() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/subprocess.py", line 456, in check_returncode raise CalledProcessError(self.returncode, self.args, self.stdout, subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['cargo', 'build', '--manifest-path', '../Cargo.toml', '--target-dir', './target', '--package', 'butter', '--release']' returned non-zero exit status 101. [1/5] Generating data/resources/resources_gresource with a custom command xml-stripblanks preprocessing requested, but XMLLINT is not set, and xmllint is not in PATH [4/5] Generating po/ta/LC_MESSAGES/butter-ta.mo with a custom command FAILED: src/butter src/butterd /tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build --source-root .. --build-root . --package butter --output src/butter src/butterd

[vast compass]

this other error @elder river :

warning: build failed, waiting for other jobs to finish... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build", line 40, in <module> ).check_returncode() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/subprocess.py", line 456, in check_returncode raise CalledProcessError(self.returncode, self.args, self.stdout, subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['cargo', 'build', '--manifest-path', '../Cargo.toml', '--target-dir', './target', '--package', 'butter', '--release']' returned non-zero exit status 101. [3/6] Generating data/resources/resources_gresource with a custom command Richiesta pre-elaborazione di xml-stripblanks, ma XMLLINT non è impostata e xmllint non si trova nel PATH [4/6] Generating po/ta/LC_MESSAGES/butter-ta.mo with a custom command FAILED: src/butter src/butterd /tmp/butter/scripts/cargo_build --source-root .. --build-root . --package butter --output src/butter src/butterd

[vast compass]

@elder river have solution for the problem above for Building and install butter?

[elder river]

Unfortunately no, I can only test it this weekend as I have classes all week 😦

[vast compass]

ok

[vast compass]

Will the ability to backup btrfs of vanilla Os be implemented in the system?