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placid knoll
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Really nice!

My feedback:

  1. compress/saturate a bit more (esp. the drums)
  2. Balance better your bass, it’s too present, should go to the background
  3. The intro drums are very nice but somewhat not the best for the guitar’s intro. Try to remove it and add the drum little by little, like only hi hats, etc. (May also work well without any drums in the intro)
  4. use less reverb/room but keep the other effects as is.
  5. Around 1:27 the transition is too early. The melody after the intro and 1:27 is really mellow and sweet, it’s too bad to lose it. You should definitely develop it.
  6. Your drums are sometimes out of sync, at least it feels like that to me.

I love that initial melody so much, I listened to the track more than 10 times.

You should definitely work further and finish it!

rapid shoal
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thank you so much for taking the time to write this, ill look into it!

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im glad you like it! 😄

rapid shoal
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so i did 2 and 4 and i will do 6 (maybe), 5 and 1 and ill have to check 3 tomorrow

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ending is experimental

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and volume of the first drop is ducked

placid knoll
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I don't if it's my headphones, but it feels like there's sooo much reverb 👀

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The overall composition is better and the "experimental" ending is good too!

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I would just suggest to try a different transition for the drums at around 1:10.

It feels like it wants to accelerate but it goes linear.

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Unfortunately I'm locked out of my Ableton account for now, if later when I'm home on my desktop (and hopefully my Live installation is not unauthorized) I would love to try to mix your track.

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If you would not mind sending the stems.

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Also, I wonder: are live recording all the instruments, including the drums?

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placid knoll
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No problem.

rapid shoal
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maybe if the direction is a bit clearer

placid knoll
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The best advice I received for reverb is:

Start with full reverb and then lower it until you don't hear it anymore.

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Very simple and very effective.

rapid shoal
placid knoll
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Doesn't always work but 80% gets the perfect result.

placid knoll
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Like "real" instruments.

rapid shoal
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i play it all in with my keyboard

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sometimes i do a little clicking around to fix stuff xD

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or change chords i dont like anymore

rapid shoal
placid knoll
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You're saying this because you think this will end up with no reverb at all.

But here is the trick: you're not going from 0 reverb until you hear it; it's the opposite.

By going down, your ears won't have time to adjust as fast as you may think.

So in the end you will have much more reverb than you think.

rapid shoal
placid knoll
rapid shoal
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ill have a look tomorrow, thanks!

gusty egret
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Very nice but yea your mix is all goofy. Imagine playing this in a room which has its own reverb.... like museum exhibition. You wouldn't be able to hear shit.

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You want the drums compressed so you can get them louder. You want a focus point in your mix, if there is too much dynamics you cant mix loud. Because clipping / distortion

placid knoll
rapid shoal
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ill check that out for sure!

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thanks!

gusty egret
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You need to stop music for a month if you are producing non stop for 4 months your ears are fucked

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Even psychoacoustic

rapid shoal
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doing a little break rn!

gusty egret
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Your brain adepts and you cant hear properly anymore

rapid shoal
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i feel like my mixes are solid though?

gusty egret
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No

rapid shoal
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for my knowledge

gusty egret
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Its horrible

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Really

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Nice music

rapid shoal
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have you listened to my recent "finished" project?

gusty egret
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Sorry 2nd is better

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You need to mix for reproduction not what's in your fantasy

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There are limitations you have to accept

rapid shoal
rapid shoal
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kind of

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not really

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ok

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but like

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horrible???

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is a bit harsh no? 😭

gusty egret
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Imagine your track gets played in a big room that reflects

rapid shoal
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yeah ok this track

gusty egret
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There's already so much reverb nobody will hear anything

rapid shoal
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but not all my tracks are like that

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its a process

gusty egret
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No ofc not

rapid shoal
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please have a listen to my last "finished" piece

gusty egret
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Ok

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Link it please

rapid shoal
gusty egret
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Im listening to a other song, its really nice but you mix like its being played in a movie

rapid shoal
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my brother came in sorry

gusty egret
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Too much atmosphere and placement

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It doesn't work for consumer music

rapid shoal
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placement?

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sorry, not getting it

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consumer music?

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in what sense

gusty egret
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Anyway nice music, but I suggest writing first adding effects later

placid knoll
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I agree with him @rapid shoal you're using way too much reverb.

I understand 100% the kind of feeling you're looking for, and if that's it, then you are still not using the reverb properly 😅

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I was also looking for the cathedral effect in my early years of making music, I loved the atmosphere it would create.

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But still, if the reverb makes it muddy then you may be doing it wrong.

gusty egret
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You imagine a physical setting for your music but you cant make it sound like its inside a cathedral literally. Reverb makes the listeners believe its in a cathedral and not literally like you make it sound

placid knoll
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As for what @gusty egret said about consumer music, this is a personal choice.

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I don't do consumer music and mostly work with artists, dancers, theater and performers.

gusty egret
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I meant consumer as in speakers, streaming, car audio

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If you play live you can do weird mixes ofc

placid knoll
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In that case, it's more about the "threshold".

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Because he may be looking for that over echoed/reverbed finish.

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Which may not render as he expected in most cases (and you're right about that).

rapid shoal
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true, ill check the reverb

placid knoll
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Also the bass volume 👀

gusty egret
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Use a band you like as reference

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Otherwise you'll go crazy

rapid shoal
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working with references is probably how ill go crazy 😅

rapid shoal
placid knoll
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In the second one? Totally not 👀

gusty egret
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Mono the bass under 120hz

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Make it -6db under the drums orso

placid knoll
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To keep some nice tone to it.

rapid shoal
placid knoll
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If you look on YT you'll find a ton of tutorial about the basics of mixing.

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It's better but still needs to get the mud out of it.

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Listen carefully around 1:50.

gusty egret
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Dont be afraid, car speakers and Bluetooth speakers always crank up the bass. So it should be little tamed in your mix

placid knoll
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The mud is obvious.

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Using moniroting speakers/headphones help a lot when mixing.

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Then you can test it on consumer speakers/headphones.

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There's even plugins/apps to test directly with monitoring gears.

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Never tried one though.

rapid shoal
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im not hearing the mudiness

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what should i look out for?

gusty egret
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Its the note thats too muddy cant fix that whatever, just low cut it at 35hz

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You have a low C in your bassline

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Or d

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When its super low, C or D sounds shit on big systems but whatever

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Thats why bass music is rarely written in lower then F

placid knoll
gusty egret
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Because low C sounds like a fart

placid knoll
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Also like @gusty egret said when there's too much in the low band < ~40Hz.

rapid shoal
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ok now i dont think thats constructive criticism anymore xD

rapid shoal
placid knoll
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Try to add EQ cuts under 35Hz and above 18kHz on all tracks.

gusty egret
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Your bass guitar hits a super low C or D. Irl I think a bass cant even play that low

placid knoll
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Use 12db/octave or if not enough try 24.

rapid shoal
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guys this is too much input

placid knoll
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Sorry 🙏

gusty egret
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You really need to learn this

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Super fundamental stuff

rapid shoal
gusty egret
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Yes

rapid shoal
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idk

gusty egret
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Low cut EVERYTHING that has unnecessary low frequencies

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From piano to hi hats

placid knoll
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Something like this

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rapid shoal
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well i heard people say its completely stupid

gusty egret
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Nooo

rapid shoal
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only remove when you hear it clash

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imo

gusty egret
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No no no

placid knoll
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If so, try to listen with and without and you'll make your own choice 🙂

gusty egret
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All the frequencies add up

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It creates a mess

rapid shoal
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dt 990 pro, yamaha sh 5s

gusty egret
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Maybe in 1970 that was ok but we are used to louder now

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So you cant do it anymore

rapid shoal
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but i dont like it loud

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well

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just sometimes

placid knoll
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I don't know if the rendering would help.

gusty egret
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Loud is perceived as better by 99% of population

rapid shoal
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entry level

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WHAT DA HELL BOAH

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headphones ok

gusty egret
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Loud doesn't mean distorted

rapid shoal
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speakers no

placid knoll
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If you were able to listen carefully, you could see that the adding of all those little < 35Hz and > 18kHz is creating a nightmare for the ears.

gusty egret
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Just means punchier

placid knoll
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He's right, unfortunately since the 90s it's the loudness war 😔

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I don't like it much personnally but I do it anyway.

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If your EQ plugin has a "preview" button for the band you're cutting, try listening to those 2 bands on main.

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You'll see it's literally trash.

rapid shoal
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i dont like soloing stuff that much

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because itll not sound the same with the other tracks playing

gusty egret
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You can ask chatgpt for advice too

rapid shoal
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just my way of thinking

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oh hell nah

gusty egret
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Its actually good at mixing advise

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Yes its technically very good at general mixing consultation

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You describe your problem it will give you a proper solution

rapid shoal
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every track is different and im not willing to stick to some ai generated rules

placid knoll
rapid shoal
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sorry

placid knoll
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Worst case scenario you'll know that you were right.

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Best case you'll learn something 🙂

gusty egret
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Just use a band you like as reference

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Purely sonically

placid knoll
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As for AI, I wouldn't use it too but it's because I'm a boomer 🤣

gusty egret
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Its good at technical advice

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Insanely good, it knows all the techniques

placid knoll
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Don't forget that most prompts will simply summarize what's on the internet, it's not like they will provide "creative" data.

gusty egret
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Anyway

placid knoll
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Just summarize neatily what's on forums, etc.

gusty egret
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Its also trained on books

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There's people with PhDs in sound engineering

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Its trained on that too

placid knoll
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@gusty egret but I think @rapid shoal is trying to go the long and painful way (which I totally respect) of learning by himself.

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So we may stop giving advice for now, as we already gave many 🙂

gusty egret
rapid shoal
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ok sorry but you guys just said random things without an explanation to it

gusty egret
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Like what?

placid knoll
rapid shoal
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cut here cut there

gusty egret
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The 35hz cut is because of big speakers

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Its a industry standard

placid knoll
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The fact that it's adding up?

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And that it's saturating your ears?

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Not allowing to listen the other freq. bands.

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Also, like @gusty egret said, nothing under ~35Hz will be properly rendered on most audio gear.

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It's like "fart".

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That's why they cut that band.

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Under 40Hz you're gettingin the land of "felt" bass rather than "heard" bass.

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You may keep it if you're doing some giant techno fest.

gusty egret
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Just youtube 'rock' mixing and learn something every day

placid knoll
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But most gear will fail to render < 40Hz and > 18kHz.

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Anyway, I won't try to convince you more than this.

gusty egret
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Its really easy with modern software

rapid shoal
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so why cut it when it doesnt get rendered?

placid knoll
rapid shoal
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i just looked it up the opinions are split

gusty egret
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It still does get rendered

rapid shoal
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like always

gusty egret
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But it doesn't sound musical

placid knoll
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You can even try with a simple sinewave.

rapid shoal
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ok

gusty egret
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35hz is like a big truck engine

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Vrrroooooom

rapid shoal
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BRO I CANNOT EVEN HEAR THAT LOW

gusty egret
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On big systems you do

placid knoll
gusty egret
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Thats why they cut it

rapid shoal
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you think (at my level) the 35 hz will make a difference???

gusty egret
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Yes

placid knoll
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Yes

gusty egret
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Because of phase issues too

placid knoll
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The issue is the adding up.

gusty egret
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But that's a other thing

placid knoll
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It bloats the levels.

gusty egret
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Just cut 35hz

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On everything

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Your snare cut 100hz

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And so on

placid knoll
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Just find the peak and cut below where the "musicality" is gone.

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Anyway, I'm going to bed.

rapid shoal
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have a good one!

placid knoll
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Good luck @rapid shoal

gusty egret
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Good night guys

rapid shoal
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good night

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ill look some stuff up but ill not come far

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mixing is art imo

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with that mindset im ducked

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SEE

gusty egret
rapid shoal
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some say cut everything

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some say no

gusty egret
rapid shoal
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ill bet nothing that theres even mixing engineers with different povs

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because there is no right or wrong

gusty egret
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You think cutting is like taking away. The thing is simply a lot of frequencies are useless. They add up and make it harder to mix loud

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Loud is good so you want to cut

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Really nothing else

rapid shoal
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but like my music is not intended to be clean or fancy

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i use analog stuff everywhere

gusty egret
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Man imagine you get signed by a label

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They release your music

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This music gets played in a café with reflective tiles on big speakers

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It will sounds like absolute shit

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Thats why

rapid shoal
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idk man

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idk what to say

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xD

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its a bit like philosophy at this point xD

gusty egret
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The genre you do has like 4x the creative freedom in mixing vs dnb

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So believe me you need to learn and change some stuff

rapid shoal
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theres all sorts of tracks in every genre

rapid shoal
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but like

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were doing art

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and if i look stuff up

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its 300 opinions

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so

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i came to the conclusion that i need to trust my intuition

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thats all i am

gusty egret
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Why you ask feedback then? You write beautiful music but like I said there are limitations to what can come out of speakers

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Thats why mixing is a skill

rapid shoal
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selfish act

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i know

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i take what i like, leave the rest

rapid shoal
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like yk?

gusty egret
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Yk?

rapid shoal
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a person that occasionally listens to music will not judge the mix

gusty egret
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They will feel the groove

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They will compare it to other music

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If you dont care then don't mix

rapid shoal
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._.

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its not that i dont care

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idk man

gusty egret
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I understand how you feel. Its a paradigm in the end. But the one we use

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L / R 2 speakers does not represent how humans hear but its what we chose as solution and this brings limitations that are sadly there

rapid shoal
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youre talking about the reverb?

gusty egret
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Im going to bed, rest well bro

rapid shoal
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you too, take care

gusty egret
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much cleaner. i can hear you are using send effects now