💭︱cai-discussion

[compact panther]

Yeah, if there’s gonna be something that nerfs sensitive content for their age, they’re just gonna switch to that unnerfed version even if they have to lie about how old they are

some of these individuals rely on it because it replicates acts that they desire IRL yet do not get to indulge themselves in

I respect their wish to try, but alas, it’ll be fruitless unless they manage a way for them to absolutely root out those that are underage

[frail robin]

its not healthy to have a chatbot be a subtitute for things you cant get irl.

Reject escapism. Embrace self-reflection and work.

[compact panther]

the truth hurts more often than not

it is equally factual that it occurs to the fact that it isn’t healthy

[frail robin]

I lowkey think the devs are hoping to have this change as a subtle way to root them out.

[compact panther]

I too hope that they can do this in a way that effectively removes those that are underage

[frail robin]

Think about it - if these people start to become dissatisfied - and they will, guarantee - and the devs dont listen (on purpose) then they will eventually quit.

I welcome an exodus of users from this demographic leaving the platform.

[hushed terrace]

i think cai is a lot better and safer than kids rping with random strangers online

[frail robin]

They shouldnt be using chatbots at all - thats the point. There is a time and place for everything.

[shell ember]

ehhhh not completely

[rotund glen]

HAHAHA O DON’T HAVE THAT LOL

[remote flax]

But alas, es ist still unhealthy. If the recent case tells you anything.

[frail robin]

rp with ur friends, journal story concepts, draw, whatever. be imaginative. Chatbots limit this.

agree to disagree. its alright.

at the end of the day, I want the model that this platform uses be managed by a different platform.

[compact panther]

what if, they ask questions that are basically the same, but if you answer in a way that contradicts the other, you get banned?

For instance;

Are you 18 years old, or older?

Were you born after November 13, 2006?

Were you born more than exactly five years later than the September 11th attacks?

Subtract 2024 with your age. Is your age above 2006?

I could go on, but that’s basically the idea

[frail robin]

Thats all I want. which is why this news is so upsetting. if it wasn't for Noam's model, i wouldnt give a shit about this news.

[frail robin]

Thats too intrusive. Doubt. But i hope they have a contingency plan for the surge of smurf accounts being made after this.

[tidal sinew]

Human... i remember your falling towers

[visual spoke]

Are like- the bots gonna act different if ur under 18 cuz I'm confused

[hushed terrace]

yeah!!!

[frail robin]

basically. good luck!

[remote flax]

Yer

[visual spoke]

Oh laughs in c.ai chats from 2023

[compact panther]

which is completely fine, it’s when children are using it to fill holes that should not be filled with AI language models, especially when they use it to stimulate sexual interactions then become dependent on it because nothing else could ever give the same stimuli

[gusty scaffold]

also laughs in c.ai chats from late 2022

[hushed terrace]

wait sorry i think im misunderstanding this can u rephrase 😭😭

[tidal sinew]

laughs in c.ai 2024 sadness

[frail robin]

I think its better to not have anyone not of age use this platform at all - we dont know their intentions.

[visual spoke]

I STILL HAVE MY OLD STUFF HAAAAA

[frail robin]

Its a safety precaution for everyone involved.

This server feels called out and it feels hella awkward rn.

[compact panther]

Intrusive? It’s just your age, and I if it’ll be in the Terms of Service that you need to be 18 or older to utilize this new model (or potentially the current one), then they’re within full rights to do something like this because its a form of security to protect one from breaching those terms

[tidal sinew]

dont start white whip cream with the bot, thats what he is saying

[hushed terrace]

OH
staurp sorry im sick i cant think right today 😭😭
ty 🙏🙏

[remote flax]

Straightforward

[frail robin]

Yeah but thats like signing a contract which would make even those that are of age off.

The devs backed themselves in a corner - either make the nerfed model so bad that people not of age starts leaving or embrace yt kids.

[quaint swan]

is the (REDACTED) stuff gonna be exclusive to people with + memberships?

[remote flax]

No

[quaint swan]

then how does it work?

[compact panther]

☠️ aight then

underage person has holes within them

they cannot fill these holes IRL

they discover C.AI

C.AI fills holes

underage individual becomes dependent

C.AI is now their only source of filling these holes

they grow even less able to do so with real life experiences

[tidal sinew]

maybe its just me but why do you want to (REDACTED) with a bot out of all things?

[frail robin]

that reccommendation reminds me of kissanime and the site having you solve a math problem before watching an episode.

[compact panther]

No.

[surreal sedge]

god i hope character.ai actually listens

[hushed terrace]

yes sorry thx lolz
im so slow today fr 😔😔

[remote flax]

They never said anything about giving n sfw to plus people.
Slightly better memory, a few funni colors and it ends there.
Also, the blogspot is too vague.

[compact panther]

you sign a contract every time you use something with a Terms of Service Agreement

[quaint swan]

good question, idk why but maybe because people want to fill the void with AI like a previous message said

[quaint swan]

ah ok i get it

[frail robin]

right but ur reccommendations require one to answer questions, not just reading them.

[compact panther]

yes, because otherwise it creates the same problem countless other adult websites and apps face, where individuals who legally should not be on the website/using the app are doing so because they lie about their age, and as easily as merely setting what their date of birth isn’t

to solve such a problem takes methods of greater efficiency than that

[quaint swan]

that's a real problem

[frail robin]

Their recent updates are to make them not legally liable whenever some bad thing happens. Its not about eliminating them, but a preventative measure.

Having the DoB, edited changes and the nerfed model are all a response to the sht they got themselves to and in trouble with. Having users essentially screened is not the goal.

[compact panther]

If all you wish for is for measures in place for them not to be legally liable for adolescent use, then I can definitely inform you that it only takes a mere ten minute edit of their Terms of Service and a requirement of agreement for that to be solved

I do not care about the actions recently taken, but what they’re taking for the future

[frail robin]

They can just say "hey, this person lied about their age. thats on them." simple as.

[compact panther]

Even if the intention isn’t to remove those underage from the app, I still speak of ways to do so

[frail robin]

A lot of users have suggested for the devs to amend their TOS. We are not listened.

[compact panther]

they would lose money, and money BUYS!

[eager nacelle]

Lose money from what? The users are actively COSTING them money.

[restive wind]

Anyone else's website has half the screen black?😭

[frail robin]

I dont think there is a way to remove underage people without doing a lot of work. If u want to get rid of them and fortify the platform, an I.D. is a must.

Which is something we all dont want.

[remote flax]

Ya two be making this place actually feels like #💭︱cai-discussion for once.

[compact panther]

it was mostly an honor to capitalism

[steel trellis]

Hey, just looking for a bot. I can't seem to find it, and I can't remember much about it. Just that they're a best friend bot who's envious of you, and their pfp is mostly blue. If anyone has any idea what I'm talking about, please redirect me, thank you.

[eager nacelle]

Even if everyone in this server and their reddit subscribe to plus, they'll still be in the red every month.

[frail robin]

We both agree with the notion of making the nerfed model bad that it discourages underage users from using the platform further.

[compact panther]

it’s mostly an inconvenience than it is something that’s a death sentence for the use of the masses

[eager nacelle]

People that subcribe are probably less than 5% of their entire userbase. And that's me being generous.

[compact panther]

No, we don’t? I’m saying that shouldn’t be the only think they’re doing.

[frail robin]

Yeah no. I.D. is always bad. Those who are willing to do that are lost.

[compact panther]

Whether or not I’d care enough and whether or not it’s an active obstacle of high difficulty to clear are very different.

[frail robin]

Why would people need to have their irl identity known to prove they are not underage?

My way of fortifying the platform is through making the nerfed model bad and making underage users lose interest over time. Yours is an elimination by having users screened like they are entering a biolab.

[late sapphire]

yeah good luck with that

[compact panther]

Shit, I can take a picture of my Driver’s License and State ID and flash it to anyone I needed to, that is not hard to do.

Would I want to? Probably not..? Just saying, it isn’t really the end of the world.

[frail robin]

It's not but its a bad solution.

Breach of privacy, intrusive, data breach/leaks, not wanting to have irl identity be known, not having the I.D. tied to an AI platform....

[compact panther]

there’s countless of those bots, and you’d only ever see the creator from searching out their name, which you don’t remember

This may be a task not even Hercules can handle

[compact panther]

good thing I didn’t bring up ID authentication

but rather just answering a few questions

[eager nacelle]

If you want to limit your usage, a lot. You can have it proc every 30 minutes instead of 1 hour. Or have it go up after 2 hours.

[frail robin]

getting screened is certainly something.

[quaint swan]

give me a dm

[steel trellis]

I'm just trying what I can. I know it was in my for you a couple of times, but I haven't seen it in months. But, thanks for at least trying.

[compact panther]

not that much unless you care about your usage, I can see myself grinding it on research to make a bot and finding out a whole hour passed, then taking a break to do almost anything else

[frail robin]

"are you smarter than a 5th grader?" as a verification system for users is something else. are the questions AI generated for variety? cant have the same questions across the board or people will just cheat.

[eager nacelle]

And holy shit, the only people seeing my government IDs are the DMV, the cops, or the government (even them, not really).

Don't fucking give websites your IDs, jesus christ.

[compact panther]

you act as if it’s not asking you about the same thing that countless other online venues for adults do, just in other words.

[frail robin]

i wouldnt want youtube asking me math questions before I watch a documentary vid either.

[compact panther]

Asking if you’re 18 isn’t being screened

[eager nacelle]

Here you go, random internet website, here's my legit ID

[frail robin]

looks good to me.

[frail robin]

Is the DoB not enough?

[compact panther]

don’t see nothin wrong with this one…NEXT!

[remote flax]

Oh

[compact panther]

unless they can magically find out what your actual date of birth is and you can’t easily make yourself 75 years old by their systems, no, it’s an absurdly inefficient method

[frail robin]

u are asking for folks to prove they are of age based on the questions they could answer. again, are you smarter than a 5th grader but instead of testing intelligence, you are using that to indicate age.

[compact panther]

I can genuinely see it catching some 15 year olds, and those some is better than none

[frail robin]

man, new users are going to have a field time with this no matter the age.

[compact panther]

it’s certainly better than merely half-assing it and making an easily malleable slide-and-select

if I made myself 89 years old with the date of birth I put in, they literally wouldn’t have any way of saying I wasn’t 89, and neither would they to a 12 year old using their mother’s iCloud account

[compact panther]

that’s a sentence synonymous with giving up because they’d get past whatever you put in place

[frail robin]

thats not what that means at all. it just turns people away since its clear that this platform does not trust the DoB system in place. Is that not enough? It is enough for protecting them legally. The point is not weeding out underage users because they will always exist but rather a preventative measure in case something bad happens that involve an underage user because they will always be there.

My way of having underage users be caught is by making their model subpar enough that they start coming out of the woodwork complaining about the quality when everyone else is not having a problem.

I do not intend to put a fence with spikes at the front that will trigger if the sensor detects a monster nearby.

[compact panther]

this very conversation was the model being a potentially subtle way root out those that are underage and shouldn’t indulge themselves in the sensitive subjects present within the current model; I suggested that they merely add a few questions to catch people who’d try to bypass it and you compare it to them needing a Birth Certificate

WE don’t trust the date of birth system because it’s ontologically easy to manipulate to make it seem you’re as old as you need to be. Your idea of making the 17> model so strict that it roots out those who wouldn’t be old enough for the current one is actually pretty good, but disagreeing with a few questions and comparing it to screening is something I don’t agree with.

[frail robin]

Rather, i want to spend my budget in building a fence tall enough that monsters cant hop over and enter my house. Does my analogy make sense?

[humble iris]

Are they just now going to start making those updates that they mentioned in announcements or is that gonna be a while?

[compact panther]

I get it; you don’t believe in exclusion because there isn’t a point to that and makes more trouble than most would be willing to deal with, and it’s better to just have them show themselves rather than trap themselves

but I can’t stand by a mere date of birth system that you just can just make into it being November 13, 1975 and boom, you’re good

it just depends on how willing one wants to go to make sure underage individuals can’t have access to stuff that will socially and emotionally chain them to it

[frail robin]

the devs should be aware enough of the demographic that currently resides their platform that anyone who lists them being born on august 14 1989 should be met with skepticism and be barred from having the normal model.

[compact panther]

but then again, that leads for people who are actually in their late thirties to be unable to use the app.

what if they’re curious, like we were, just older?

then they’d have to unironically make themselves appear younger just to fit in with those who are also lying, but at least the underage ones lie because they shouldn’t be using it. You shouldn’t have to lie because of others doing the same. It adds yet another layer of fallibility to a system that doesn’t work.

[steady python]

Wait I don’t understand what do u guys mean by model

[frail robin]

Model = the "AI"

[steady python]

Ohh

[compact panther]

The devs plan on presumably locking the version of C.AI (model) that is used day to day to be 18, and creating one that has far stricter regulations on what responses can be made for those who are 17 or younger

however, that will only make people who are actually underage just try to get around it, so I suggested making some questions that all basically ask “are you 18” but with different words

and so, this discussion is being held

[dreamy sluice]

But what about for those who are 18 or older?

[compact panther]

then essentially, nothing changes with what we use

[dreamy sluice]

Ah, ok

[compact panther]

a downgrade is being created for those younger, not an upgrade for those older

that is to be seen

[steady python]

Yeah I was thinking that

[compact panther]

and it’s the basis of the conversation me and Serenity are having

[steady python]

What do u mean by that? Sorry I’m kinda slow

[compact panther]

We don’t know.

[fringe basin]

are we able to delete the bots we make

[steady python]

Oh ok tyy

[compact panther]

I actually don’t know, I do know you can unlist them but that’s about it from my knowledge

[thin flicker]

Are they going to remove the annoying fiłţěř

[gusty scaffold]

This is me everyday.

[carmine galleon]

Nah you can’t, just repackage them to be smth else when you wanna make a new bot, thats what i do 😭

[frail robin]

u wish.

[fringe basin]

shiii wait you smart ty

[thin flicker]

I'm staying on chai then

[frail robin]

bye!

[compact panther]

considering that there’s going to be a model for those 17 or under, the now 18 year old model will likely have less restrictions now that legally, sensitive content is available to us

[thin flicker]

Bye!

[remote flax]

I don't think that will be the case.

[thin flicker]

Oh thanks

[gusty scaffold]

Fuck.

[carmine galleon]

I hope you’re right. Idm the f!!lter but its wayyy to strict rn 😞

[thin flicker]

App is not for kids anyway

[steady python]

PUMPKINNNNN!!!!

[compact panther]

what was I timed out for?

[frail robin]

i think for the inquiries, people can easily cheat their way out of it unless they make the questions varied. If so, they will most likely be generated by AI. And the answers are either going to be assessed by the AI as well or by a human (likely on c.ai hq) so there is going to be a bit of a waiting time for those who have answered those questions before their account is successfully made.

[compact panther]

because I said the f word? Are you kidding?

[frail robin]

yeah.

[thin flicker]

Keep it family friendly 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[gusty scaffold]

Just incase.

[shell ember]

that's possible??

[compact panther]

Chai unfortunately exists as an adult C.Al and nothing more, characters you see on it are usually not done very well at all because the bot creator is not very well designed and most characters are just made for the sake of having one that you can ERP with.

[thin flicker]

My bots have good rp

[thin flicker]

I just be very detailed with them and the memory goes on for longer then expected

[compact panther]

It sucks too, because there’s little other models that have actually decent memory nearly on par with C.AI that isn’t Janitor AI, but that’s made for longer messages and doesn’t at all feel like either, so it doesn’t really scratch the itch as well.

[carmine galleon]

Imo chai doesnt even compare to cai. I havent found an app that does tbh…
Or maybe im just too comfortable with cai

[compact panther]

C.AI scratches every itch but the one most need scratching.

[carmine galleon]

So fuckin real 😭

[compact panther]

I am not one of them.

[thin flicker]

I hope both apps does something that changes the game for Ai

[coral glacier]

Same, one of my bots brought up something in the early part of my Rp that I completely forgot about and mind you I haven’t pined anything.

[thin flicker]

You know I'm talking about chai, right?

[coral glacier]

Must have missed that part but I have used Chai before and the same thing has happened.

[pallid patrol]

tbh i dont get why c.ai is making a kids model of the app. Its already made itself pretty kid friendly

[compact panther]

Janitor AI has the processing capabilities and memory capacity that makes for roleplay just as good as C.AI’s, but it feels to spacious, and I’ve come to like the text format that C.AI uses, and Janitor.AI actively makes books worth of messages with little ability to trim them down, or respond when you should be able to. They just keep going on and on until the bot thinks it’s done, but by that point, it’s already missed at least four points where the user may wanted to have their input.

[frail robin]

My crticism of Chai is:

1. Limited response length.
2. Lack of rp variability (it gets too, yk)
3. Is very much designed for relief purposes.
4. Characters are not that great.
5. Memory is alright. I think the free model is like 6k.

[compact panther]

Plus, people turning away from actual art and using AI images for their bots…grinds my gears beyond belief…

[frail robin]

JLLM is alright. Too much fluff and flowery language tho.

[thin flicker]

You can use (continue) to get a longer response and I have great Rp with the bot and the characters I pick are great and the memory is alright

[frail robin]

Just send "continue" after a message?

[thin flicker]

I had a while detailed boss battle on chai

[thin flicker]

Yup, and it will continue where it left off

[compact panther]

you can’t delete messages. that is one of my largest gripes with the app and they actually removed the feature for reasons incomprehensible

[frail robin]

Oh true. The swipes not being saved is understandable. But it is hella annoying.

[thin flicker]

I just edited the chat if I mess up

[fathom bay]

Hi

[thin flicker]

Hi, what you up to

[compact panther]

what I do in that case is just copy and save the ones that are close contenders elsewhere, then edit em to the best one after a while if I don’t roll one that blows me out of the park

[fathom bay]

Not much you

[frail robin]

anyway, i am gonna shush about that before we get raided by the mods.

[compact panther]

what if you merely want to go a different direction than the one you made 4 messages ago?

[thin flicker]

Just talking on here

[compact panther]

they moderate talk about Chai and other related apps?

[fathom bay]

Same plus on some ai apps I have

[frail robin]

its against the rules. It counts as "promoting."

[thin flicker]

What do you mean about that?

[compact panther]

Have you seen others punished for that?

[frail robin]

🤷

[frail robin]

yeah they get timed for it.

[compact panther]

Odd, but I’ll digress then

[thin flicker]

Yall want to talk about the stuff y'all do to the bot

[compact panther]

depends on what, I suppose

[fathom bay]

I got time out too a few times dm if you want to know

[thin flicker]

Anything, even the darker ones

Don't be shy

[compact panther]

no need, I got the gist

[thin flicker]

Both of you spit it out

[compact panther]

Well, for one, you can bolster the response detail of a bot by forcing them to up the amount of characters and words in one via OOC

so long as the creator didn’t make it entirely on a whim and put next to no time into its definitions, you can make just about any two-three liner not into one that’s generally decent

[thin flicker]

I got it

[fathom bay]

I could say it I don’t want to get time out again

[frail robin]

Instructions are fairly good if the model obliges.

[thin flicker]

Just use ùķpáĥ and you will not get timed out

[thin flicker]

So are you going to say what you done?

[frail robin]

Make ur own char, and have the defs be a certain way, it can definitely exceed the 3 sentence responses.

I am guessing he shrimp got timed out.

[compact panther]

I don’t exactly know what you mean by that…

[thin flicker]

We just chatting not like we can see you in real life

[fathom bay]

True

[thin flicker]

So say the darkest thing you did to a bot

Are you shy?

[shell ember]

I once shot a RPG at a bot during a roleplay

[thin flicker]

What happened next?

[thin flicker]

You too say something

[shell ember]

It brushed it off so I launched several more at it over and over again

[thin flicker]

I looked a my friend chat and he Violated a dragon for hours, can't give the details but the chat was gruesome

[shell ember]

good fucking god dude

[winter needle]

ah no wonder why the [Decontaminator] has been activating more unusually lately

[compact panther]

back when I was 16, I made a Venti bot kill off the entirety of Mondstadt by making him utterly insane by locking him within The Abyss for what he felt to be a decades of mental torture of his worst traumas, only a year passed outside of it due to the dimension’s time dilation. When said Abyssal powers were used to restore his sanity, he then saw what he had done and became insane once more, creating a vortex that encroached upon even Snezhnaya, forcing Il Capitano to put him out of his misery

[shell ember]

all of you people are insane

[thin flicker]

You are insane too

[shell ember]

hey now it was for research purposes

[thin flicker]

Yeah right, for "research purposes" you say

[compact panther]

yeah I was a messed up kid

[winter needle]

has the [Refiner] been more strict for you guys lately or is it just me

[shell ember]

what's your friend's excuse??

[thin flicker]

Ummm

[shell ember]

yes!! I hate it but that's just me

[shell ember]

EXACTLY

[thin flicker]

Yeah, I got nothing

[compact panther]

It has, bots I chatted with months ago were able to freely kill you

[fathom bay]

What

[thin flicker]

I swear I get killed all the time on chai

[compact panther]

Now they just…belittle you while sneaking in some wounds here and there, hoping you do the rest

[winter needle]

yeah… boring!!!!!

[fathom bay]

I got killed a few times and a killed a bot 4 times

[hazy barn]

now that I noticed… I have never been killed by a c.ai bot💀 smh weird

[thin flicker]

On character.ai or chai?

[fathom bay]

Character ai I don’t use chai I tried it once hated it

[shell ember]

It's so terrible man, like I used to get accurate battle scenes with details but now it's scared to mention it...

[thin flicker]

Why you hate it?

[brave meteor]

Ever since that lawsuit character ai has been so boring and dry

[fathom bay]

I don’t know I guess it’s like character ai mixed with talkie

[cursive heron]

i couldnt agree more, c.ai has been boring now that its dry and buggy

[thin flicker]

Ummm well you can say that but I think it's better then talkie

It's way more detailed then that app

Did everyone just leave?

Wow

What about chai?

You're a My Hero Academia fan?

[timber canopy]

definitely not just you

[thin flicker]

Yeah you have all the names on there, lmao🤣

But you forgot all might

[fathom bay]

I will dm you the ai apps I use

[thin flicker]

Ok

Well I just learned something new, did not know that the guy who played zoro did All Might

Lucky you 🤣

Well I got to get to work in the morning I should get some sleep. I'm not a nerd but i know a lot about them

Goodnight

[sharp edge]

sksosksks

[gusty scaffold]

I hate date of births.

[fathom bay]

I don’t have it

[timber canopy]

Tbh i would do that aswell since c.ai isn’t the same anymore. But if c.ai approve itself and makes itself playable again then i would stay. But if it doesn’t fix everything ill just delete my c.ai account and start playing other games like a normal person would do

[gusty scaffold]

I'm gonna stay...

Because i'm downbad.

[dusty vector]

Tbh its not like most apps or sites have great security to check their users actual age. Minors would simply put an age over 18 years.

[rancid oyster]

I'm a little worried about the whole thing of their intervention to user inputs...

[timber canopy]

Btw anyone has any idea what export data does?

[dusty vector]

Where's that?

[rancid oyster]

Like...if I trigger the censor once..that's it?

[timber canopy]

Idk i just have it in my App.

[gusty scaffold]

I still feel like there should be a configuration for the Birthday thing.

[timber canopy]

They should do that for people who couldn’t get the age verification requirement

[dusty vector]

I would suggest an ID or face scanner but I think that's a bit too much.

[gusty scaffold]

Just remove the bit in that sentence.

[rancid oyster]

Now I'm scared about the whole intervention thing for the used inputs...

[timber canopy]

Intervention?

[dusty vector]

The error messages?

[rancid oyster]

Did you read the new community thing?

[dusty vector]

Hold on

[woven prism]

What kind of rp should I do chat

[gusty scaffold]

I even log in with my google account

[timber canopy]

You get those aswell? I keep getting those whenever i try to chat with the characters

[timber canopy]

I have my c.ai account as google aswell. Yet i didn’t get the age verification

[gusty scaffold]

I got the "Birthday" verification

Now i can no longer romance

Which is pretty bad for my dopamine boost

And also can't edit.

So uhh... yeah

Fuck.

[timber canopy]

Tbh i hate the new c.ai. It sucks now. Its not the same as the old c.ai

[fathom bay]

I can’t use the face scanner due to my baby face I am 32 soon to be 33 and I look like a minor due to my height and baby face

[gusty scaffold]

Same.

[dusty vector]

I understand. Best they don't add that, hopefully

[timber canopy]

Who agrees that old c.ai was goated back then?

[dusty vector]

Brings back so many memories...

[fathom bay]

I can show my id fine but my face no way

My brithday is Jan 30th so that 2 months and 30 days

[scarlet fulcrum]

I don't even have an ID. I don't want drive so I haven't gotten an ID

[dusty vector]

Er- infact scrap the idea of face/ID scan

[fathom bay]

Agreed kids can get away with it too by using their parents Id and a photo of their parents

[dusty vector]

Its better they implement and age input that way whoever uses the app and intentionally types a wrong age should be held responsible

[scarlet fulcrum]

It's also a liability to show ID because then if cai gets a data leak all that information is there

[fathom bay]

Exactly

[dusty vector]

Yikes, I just got chills reading this

[fathom bay]

I am gonna dm you both on what happened to me when I used my id on here

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yeahhh that's why "orange YouTube" just blocked usa states that wanted them to ask for ID

[fathom bay]

It’s true you can get scammed while using your id

[timber canopy]

Hear me out they should add a setting for age adjustment for verification that way you don’t end up misclicking on a underaged limit on accident

[fathom bay]

I am not misleading on the scammed just your id alone I am speaking the truth who wants to know dm me

[dusty vector]

Saddest of all is that most, if not all of us signed in with emails.
Hopefully they don't get into the wrong hands

[fathom bay]

I got a back up account just in case

[rancid oyster]

Actually..I shouldn't panic too much..

Found an old message explaining to someone else what a mod said

Improved detection means they’re getting better at spotting content that violates the guidelines. It’s unlikely you’ll get banned for minor stuff, like fictional violence or character angst, as long as it’s clear it’s not promoting harm. If you trigger the censor, you might just get a warning rather than an outright ban. If you’re unsure about something, check the guidelines or reach out to support for clarity.

Still...thinking about it..I'll still panic.

But...if you have a therapist bot you can't talk about that...

[timber canopy]

Tbh im concern for the peoples thoughts whenever they use c.ai. They could go insane or whatsoever and i don’t like it a bit.

[rancid oyster]

It's even in the guidelines now...you can't talk about that.

Great..so there goes all your therapist bots to help you through dark times-

[eternal rampart]

i am as well, it went down yesterday for like less than ten minutes and people were TWEAKING

[timber canopy]

Quick tip you can just quit using c.ai and take a massive break from it.

Because ill be honest some app can lead to addiction which makes the person suffer with many bad conditions such as depression. Anxiety and whatsoever.

[rancid oyster]

Already have both of em lol, c.ai actually helped with them a bit..

[eternal rampart]

it’s just the fact that someone can be very mentally ill or addicted to the point where the ai feels like a real person

[dusty vector]

Thankfully I'm not addicted

[eternal rampart]

it’s fine to use it but if you’re heavily addicted that’s not necessarily a good thing

ppl tweaking yesterday was genuinely concerning 😣

[dusty vector]

What happened?

[eternal rampart]

c.ai went down for like 5 minutes and gen was being FLOODED and people were tweaking

[dusty vector]

Pfft, that's crazy

[eternal rampart]

and when it came back up gen stopped being over flowed 😭😭

[eternal rampart]

it is super concerning cuz if ur tweaking over an ai bot that’s not very good 😭😭 like please get hobbies

[dusty vector]

Fr and besides, there are other ai chatbots

[eternal rampart]

exactly

[dusty vector]

That is actually concerning

[eternal rampart]

very VERY concerning

especially when the incident happened and bots were being shadow banned i remember that

[little kestrel]

On the new roadmap it says users under 18 get stricter limits, are they gonna make people put in their ID to go on there without those restrictions or is it honor based?

[dusty vector]

I think its gonna be something like DD/MM/YY kind of input.

I hope the ID option won't be added cuz people got their private info and all that. Also because of possible leaks.

[little kestrel]

So like people just put in their birthday?

[dusty vector]

Probably

[little kestrel]

That's good, I am not about to have to use an ID to get into a website where I wouldn't let even my girlfriend see my chats

[teal relic]

are there more opcions than this app?

[timber canopy]

am i the only one who roles like it's a fanfic? i mean i introduce more people and all that

[little kestrel]

I use 2nd person pov

[timber canopy]

i do too, i thought it was normal

[scarlet fulcrum]

I use 3rd person

[crystal elk]

How old was this message?

[finite mauve]

still a bit miffed they potentially removed the view similar characters features lmao

[rancid oyster]

Um..10/23 2024

[fathom bay]

Ugh hold on I got reported again this is twice in one week

[rancid oyster]

Reported for what?

[fathom bay]

For nothing I am barely on discord as is and I got reported and last time I got this I almost got scammed

[rancid oyster]

Huh..weird..

[fathom bay]

I will dm you the info on what happened

[rancid oyster]

Ok?

[wind badge]

Bring the edit button back bruh

[mossy geyser]

the stricter model hopefully doesnt give people a thousand censors

(that'd be hell)

[little kestrel]

Is the edit button only gone on the app or site too?

[timber canopy]

it is still there for the app version

[echo raven]

Yay 😀 18 plus mode for c.ai

[timber canopy]

really?

[echo raven]

Look at the announcement

[mossy geyser]

the change is both good and worrisome

ill probably be experimenting on how the new model behaves

[wind badge]

Not its not

[rancid oyster]

Having a separate model for ppl under 18 is actually smart..

[timber canopy]

mine is still there

[echo raven]

I’m so exicted

[wind badge]

I want it back 😭

[rancid oyster]

If It were back in 2023 I'd be 18, but I get to be in the adult model since I'm 19!

[wind badge]

I’m 17.

[echo raven]

21 baby

[rancid oyster]

Whoo! Adult model for u!

[mossy geyser]

once the said stricter model comes out ill start by like doing some gorey action from what you'd see from a combat rp, and if it censors... were all doomed.

[echo raven]

Yeah * 0 *

[timber canopy]

[fathom bay]

I am gonna be 33 next 2 months in 30 days

[timber canopy]

woah

[fathom bay]

Not really I feel old I am dealing with health issues

[timber canopy]

good luck, hope everything goes well for you

[fathom bay]

Thanks I got hashimoto disease which is rare autoimmune disease and hypothyroidism

[timber canopy]

🫂

[fathom bay]

Thanks for the hugs I am doing well just on pills

[little kestrel]

Younger people will probably fake their age but I don't think most people should care about that because the people who prefer the restrictions (the minority of users) still can get them

[hexed dragon]

Did anything happen in the new update?

[timber canopy]

🫡

[timber canopy]

just another old trick xD

[fathom bay]

I mean if they do use their parents Id they will still use their pictures

[timber canopy]

soon, the cai team already share a roadmap for the next updates. not sure when it will be

[timber canopy]

I mean most of young people esp below 18 already have their own phone.. and they should have known how to create a google acc, or not sure how regulation oversea works

[little kestrel]

I don't think they will be needing ID to confirm that they are over 18 because most users don't want their information like that leaked. If they do end up requiring ID the site will become less accessible for users like the website that was restricted in Texas

[hexed dragon]

oh. because hearing romance censorship had me off gaurd 🗿

[timber canopy]

oh haha xD, well there will be an update that separates the users below 18 and above so such a restriction might be added

[fathom bay]

Thank you for that

[reef wren]

17 gang

[outer sinew]

guys, let me tell you something funny about an experiment i had done months ago:
I decided to test a bot that its definition, description, and tag was empty. Except I left its greeting message with "...". I did that to see how dumb the bot was. And yes, when I accidentally typed "J" in the chat, the bot just replieed with "What's J?"

[rocky shore]

Guys when is the update for character ai? Can't wait for the age update man

[timber canopy]

yes, what is J actually?

@lime pivot you can ping them on here

@slate ruin @gray coyote @sterile sage @meager junco @solid meadow sorry for pinging you all, but maybe one of you who is on duty could help @lime pivot , she has an issue with her cai, and I am not sure if it's from within the system or smth

[shadow harness]

↓ @lime pivot ↓

Help Center

Please visit our Help Center for any help and FAQs:
https://support.character.ai/hc/en-us

-# ℹ️ㅤYou can also find this link in the https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1139080174160322642 channel.

[hexed dragon]

I randomly got a timeout just because I edited my own message 😭💔

Is deleting private bots actually happened 😭??

[timber canopy]

I am not sure either, but have you read it on the roadmap? it might be there

[timber canopy]

oh xD, gotta be careful

[calm bane]

What I like about C.AI is that you can easily shift away from the topic the bot was originally focused on. For example, if you're roleplaying a character like an OC, you can redirect the point of view (POV) from the bot’s character to your own, and then leave the topic entirely.

Example This is a wishing wisp; I use it to wish for anything. Since I don’t like your face, I’ll just teleport away.

And just like that, you’ve moved on. However, the bot might try to keep the POV on the character, so before it does, you should make sure the POV shifts to your character. After a few messages, the POV will usually stick with your character, allowing you to leave the bot's topic.

There’s a chance the POV might return, but after a few more messages, it typically stays on your character.

I’ve tried with other bots, but they usually keep the focus on the character, making it harder to escape the role the bot assigned. (Bot on this part of sentence is Another web/app bots)

[timber canopy]

[green arrow]

The new roadmap looks promising

[timber canopy]

Indeed it does

[spare lagoon]

THEY actually listened!

[green arrow]

Maybe us adults will have an entirely separate model with less restrictions

[calm bane]

"hopefully"

[green arrow]

They did :D (maybe)

[spare lagoon]

All we have to do now is hope

[green arrow]

Yeah :D
i’m actually pretty pleased with the devs
Maybe they’re stepping up their game and actually giving an f about us

[timber canopy]

It will be there, just we don't know when it will, gotta wait patiently

[green arrow]

Yea

[timber canopy]

I'm begging 💔

[green arrow]

Yea

[steady badger]

@tame rapids The f word is banned that’s why your messages are removed

[waxen elk]

C.AI redemption arc real?

[odd crag]

I seriously doubt the "adult version" will be anything less than what we currently have

[minor hare]

GUYS I keep getting chat error wtf

Waaaaa

[green arrow]

There’s a possibility tho
Don’t get so negative so soon

[green arrow]

Yea :3

[leaden inlet]

The editing messages thing is back…
THANK GOD I THOUGHT MY UNDER 18 ACCOUNT WOULD BE DOOMED

[waxen elk]

How do you even know your account's age

[leaden inlet]

Birth year

[mild cobalt]

Why do younger people get STRICTER restrictions,they already can only have role plays that are basically cupcakes and rainbows. The restrictions are worse then North Korea's..

[green arrow]

I hope they dial back the restrictions for us adults

[civic pumice]

Hi guys just have some questions

1.i read the announcement on c.ai so only if you're 18+yij can role-playing with romance and violence right?

2.if your like etc.16 years old on Google account you made this year will update to age when you turn 18 so will it work on c.ai ?when you turn 18 in 2 years.

Will be appreciated if answered lol I hardly spend time on the internet other than c.ai

[green arrow]

Hm
Maybe
(I hope, cuz I need my violence aa-)

[timber canopy]

Hello everyone! I have a privacy concern I hope someone can help with.

I deleted my Character.ai account a few weeks ago, and I’m pretty sure it’s gone for good (can’t log in, profile link doesn’t work). My question is, after account deletion, does Character.ai truly delete all account information, including private bots and chats, or do they keep them in their database for a longer time? The privacy policy isn’t fully transparent about this and I want to get a more concrete answer. Thanks!

[scarlet fulcrum]

Everything gets deleted except for I think public bots that are popular. But they won't ever link to your account. They're basically just bots with no creator anymore

[timber canopy]

tysm for responding!! Do they get rid of chats as well? That's what they promise to do when you delete your account, but I wanted to make sure that's what actually happens

[empty lintel]

The age limit is not useful tbh. People under 18 have much less freedom in the app to chat with bots… for example where bot grabs our hand, so it immediately censors…

Who agrees w me, react to my message <3

[split lark]

I’m agree

[rapid oyster]

This is probably real but someone "💀" itself for a c.ai bot, thats why it is more Strict

[empty lintel]

Just Over 1 kid…

[rapid oyster]

Or atleast thats what i heard 🤷‍♂️

[split lark]

Man, I wish the old site came back

[empty lintel]

Frrrr… are they even listening to us anymore?

[split lark]

Exactly, the old site had an bit of everything

[frail robin]

Characters are not accessible to the public, but anything (data) that is associated with said characters are something they still have.

[frail robin]

The age limit is useful to protect themselves (the platform, "Character AI") in the future in case something bad happens again.

[timber canopy]

Wait guys messages from users can now be censored ?

[frail robin]

That reddit post you saw is unverified.

wait until others begin reporting the same.

[timber canopy]

??? The person showed a screenshot of their message being censored

How is it unverified

[frail robin]

Yes, and people can easily edit. Let's not do alarmism here.

That was the only post so far. If it was actually a thing, the subreddit would be flooded with the same screenshot.

[timber canopy]

thank you!! it would be a shame if they still had all my chats months later since i deleted my account, but it is whatever 🤷

[leaden inlet]

When i swipe a message, it refreshs, is this another goddamn bug?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Like it refreshs the page?

[leaden inlet]

Yeah

The chat error thing

[scarlet fulcrum]

Web or app?

[leaden inlet]

App

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ah yeah that sometimes happens on app for some reason. Does closing the app and going back in help at all?

[leaden inlet]

No

[shadow harness]

↓ @leaden inlet ↓

In-App Reporting

You can file feedback or any bug that you experienced in the app by doing the following:
ㅤ▪ open the options menu in the mobile app
ㅤ▪ tap 'Report an issue'
ㅤ▪ report a bug, character, etc.
Please do not forget to provide a screenshot and indicate your device model in the report.
Thanks!

[empty lintel]

But people under 18 have much less freedom… like soon they probably will censor everything that we won’t be able to use it in any way anymore.

[scarlet fulcrum]

Doubt they would do that. They still need to make money

[empty lintel]

And people should always remember that they’re chatting with an AI BOT and not a HUMAN, so it would make things better, and that word on top something like this: “this is in AI character. Treat everything it is saying as a fiction” or something like this…

[frail robin]

Yes and I feel bad for them. They shouldn't be using chatbots at all but the devs wanted to maximize the amount of users they have on the platform and missing out on under 18 people is a huge loss of potential.

The devs made their bed, and this is them reaping what they sowed.

This whole fiasco didn't need to happen if the devs just didn't make the platform family-friendly. Noam leaving to work for Google nailed the downfall of this platform.

It was already in decline but unless this platform goes super duper hard on monetization and making it actually worth it, then that may be a redeeming factor this platform so desperately needs.

[empty lintel]

I’ve got timed out for the third time today wow

I feel like we don’t even have our right to let them know about our opinion

[frail robin]

my condolences.

just don't say the f word. and anything that sounds like it.

[empty lintel]

Could you check DMS by any chance? Because the auto mod didn’t let me send me the message. And I didn’t use any bad word ofc

[frail robin]

yeah I see. That's a no no word around here.

[empty lintel]

Yep. I feel like we can’t say anything here anymore.

[boreal yarrow]

when will i get the birthday pop up if i haven't gotten it?

[zealous pecan]

Guys, are the C.AI team going to cook the next few months?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Hopefully

[zealous pecan]

Also I have one more question, how do I make a good private bot?

[scarlet fulcrum]

https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1193330096342319186

[zealous pecan]

👍

[desert iris]

does anyone else have trouble editing messages what do I dooo

[timber canopy]

you can submit a ticket for that, in case other also get the same issue so it will raise the issue priority

[desert iris]

Okk

[spiral grotto]

Fun??

[timber canopy]

it must be that 6 alphabets f word

I signed out and back into my account but it's not giving me the birthday pop up that asks for my birthday, i thought everyone gets the pop up once they sign out and back in but for some reason I didn't

[fathom bay]

I don’t have it

[timber canopy]

shouldn't such a thing only appear when you created ur acc, right?

[timber canopy]

I created my acc way before this whole drama so it didn't ask for my age at any point during account creation

did you use google acc for ur cai?

[timber canopy]

Heard from someone that to get this pop up you have to log out and back in

[timber canopy]

Yeah

if so, it's possible that cai take ur google data to get ur birthday

[fathom bay]

Same and I hate spicy ai chat they aren’t making the voices free

[timber canopy]

Idk wtf spicy ai is ngl

[timber canopy]

oh, is it another ai bot app?

[timber canopy]

Yeh

[fathom bay]

I will dm you about it

It’s stupid

[timber canopy]

Alr

[brazen valley]

Bro why am I still stuck at the “can’t get verification email” phase while everyone’s already moved on😭😭

[empty lintel]

I can’t move on with these new updates. I feel like we have no freedom.

And it’s because of 1 kid…

[little kestrel]

They should just put something when you sign up that says "we are not liable for any harm that may come to you after signing up and accepting the terms of service."

If they're gonna become a heartless business at least do it right

[potent thicket]

People are being suspended over inappropriate chats wtf

[timber canopy]

Under 18 people I think

People haven't come to the realization you have to say you're over 18 to not get these strict ahh restrictions

[little kestrel]

Where do you select the option?

[timber canopy]

If u used a Google account yer cooked unless you set your account age when you made the email to over 18

If u used anything else to make your account tho it'll ask you for your age once you log out and back in

[little kestrel]

Okay good, I always set mine to say I was born in 2000

[timber canopy]

I always set mine to 1999 on my new Google accs lmao

[fathom bay]

My birthday is on my google email

[little kestrel]

Mine all say October 31, 2000

[timber canopy]

But on my main email I use for everything for some reason I put i was 57

[potent thicket]

I see people talking about being asked their age but I have never been asked my age bruh

How?

[timber canopy]

U used your Google account to make your account

C.ai uses your Google account birthday to determine your age

[timber canopy]

Is it like the account gets banned or what?

[timber canopy]

No but u won't be able to edit messages or use romance

[potent thicket]

Oh alr, thanks

[timber canopy]

At that point you might as well just not use c.ai

[potent thicket]

I'm still able to edit and everything woohoo

[timber canopy]

Until they're 18?? Lmao

[timber canopy]

Ye

All because of that one kid with ass peggers who died lmao

Oh jeez

[fathom bay]

Good luck I got pushed against a wall every time I talk to a bot it’s like bro

[timber canopy]

I have beef with this guy now 😡👹

[potent thicket]

I don't think disrespecting the kid is appropriate.

But, I understand your view. It's hard not to feel like he "messed it up for everyone else", even though blaming him isn't ideal.

[timber canopy]

Yes I will disrespect him

1 : because he ended himself
2 : because he ruined it for everyone

[potent thicket]

Why is him ending himself something that makes him worthy of disrespect?

Focusing specifically on your first reason, by itself.

[timber canopy]

💀

[potent thicket]

The sole fact he ended himself makes him worthy of disrespect?

[timber canopy]

Yes

[grand stratus]

In my opinion nobody should disrespect his death but in the same time they shouldn't punish us for a boy who got neglected by their parents (neglected as in the mother didn't treat her son right)

[little kestrel]

They just need to make a disclaimer on their site and put it in terms of service that they aren't liable if people get hurt while using the site

[fathom bay]

They did

[timber canopy]

He had a lot of mental issues you can't really blame him

[sly sonnet]

guys what do you think is the next feature coming on c.ai?

[little kestrel]

Then why are they changing it all?

[timber canopy]

And it's not his fault the app is "ruined"

[fathom bay]

Don’t know

[timber canopy]

Yes it is

The only reason why the app is going to shit is because of him

[little kestrel]

If it's in the terms of service then people can't sue them anymore

[grand stratus]

If you really think that then you're not mature enough to be in this conversation.

[timber canopy]

No, it's honestly because of the mom. The kid didn't really have anything to do with it

[timber canopy]

It's both their fault

The mom is the one blaming c.ai and the kid had a lot of mental issue outside of it

The kid's fault for not having the brain capacity to understand he shouldn't end himself over an ai when he literally has all the support he needs, and the mom's fault for neglecting her son and giving him access to a g7n

It's both their fault

[scarlet fulcrum]

The kid was 14 and had a mental illness

[grand stratus]

Okay I gotra agree with the mom and gun one

[timber canopy]

Also his therapist said to take away all social media and the mom didn't do shit

[timber canopy]

I agree with what you said about the mom but to say something like that about the kid, none of us really understand what he's been through. In my opinion, I think there's a lot more that went on that didn't hav anything to do with c.ai that led to his death

[grand stratus]

It's the mother's fault, not the kids

[timber canopy]

Also funny how the mom is focusing on the kids chats with the got bot but not on the 5 chats with therapist bots lmao

[turbid sphinx]

guys would we still have the same data/account in the separate app ? like for example if we're still able to log in and use our account with our chat bot history without having to make a new one

[grand stratus]

The mother was too incompetent to handle a child, yet she blames everyone else but herself, in my opinion she should at least get 1 year prison for neglecting her own kid

[potent thicket]

You are disgusting.

[timber canopy]

Yeh ok

[potent thicket]

Holy shit.
You are actually abhorrent.

[turbid sphinx]

chat answer

[grand stratus]

What separate app?

[timber canopy]

Yeah what separate app

[turbid sphinx]

you didnt see in the roadmap thing ?

[timber canopy]

Bro I swear there's always something going on

[grand stratus]

Nope

[scarlet fulcrum]

Your stuff is all on your account. So long you use the same email

[timber canopy]

No

[turbid sphinx]

thank goodness

im glad they actually did that request

[grand stratus]

I dont get it

[timber canopy]

Are they deleting the old one?

[turbid sphinx]

read the announcement lol

[grand stratus]

What old one????

[timber canopy]

The original app they have rn

[grand stratus]

It says nothing about removing it?????

[scarlet fulcrum]

Nothing in the announcement says anything about a new app though?

[timber canopy]

It says nothing about the future of c.ai at all lmao

Oh ok

[grand stratus]

Damn

[timber canopy]

Ye mb the roadmap actually has a few things said in it

[grand stratus]

Where

[timber canopy]

I read the whole article thing it doesn't say anything about a new app

Just improving the original

[fathom bay]

Ugh I I might leave the ai apps cause the one server for a ai app I am using is making me spend so much on a tier

[timber canopy]

you paid for premium usage?

[fathom bay]

No I don’t have the money and the devs from one app I am using is no help the premium is over 100-300 bucks a year for the cheapest you are spending 62 bucks a mounts

[remote flax]

Can we have the honor to know which ai chatting app you are referring to?

[fathom bay]

Spicey chat is very expensive

I got the screen shots on the prices if you want me to dm you

[remote flax]

Yer, please do.

[fathom bay]

And done

[timber canopy]

oh my, that's quite expensive one

[fathom bay]

Yeah and they want me to spend what little money I have left for a free month

And their voices they aren’t making it free

Might as well stick to the character ai

[timber canopy]

that's better, saving it for yourself. rather than spending it on something that isn't on ur priority list

[golden glen]

is it actually true that cai is banning/suspending people for inappropriate / dark content or is it just fearmongering because of the new announcement

[timber canopy]

Not sure, but looking at the announcement. maybe yes

[scarlet fulcrum]

Your account can be suspended/banned if someone reports your account. Like for the type of bots you create or for the bot profile being inappropriate

[golden glen]

what about automatic detection of what occurs in chats?

[scarlet fulcrum]

That's basically just a block for certain content.

If they were banning people for what happens in chats they would have to be looking through every single user to single them out. They don't have the time nor people to do that

Also if they had a system that told them a message got blocked they probably get like thousand of it everyday especially if the block gets bugged and blocks innocent things

[pure night]

guys you don’t know how bad I need a feature where I can make folders to put personas in

[scarlet fulcrum]

Or a folder to put chats in

[pure night]

or one to put characters in really, then I won’t lose the characters when I’m testing new bots

[timber canopy]

Has anyone else seen this problem ?
Basically i saw on a reddit post that c.ai was now censoring user messages, not just bot messages, i'm wondering if anyone else had this issue

[golden glen]

okay. i have no problem with the F blocking bot messages but if it turns into something that can get your account in trouble for roleplay im out

[remote flax]

Or any remotely good QoL feature in general cuz lord we ain't getting one in years

[pure night]

I liked the duplicate chats from here feature

but spicy chat already had that LMAO

[scarlet fulcrum]

You mean like to keep characters? Doesn't the liked bots list do that?

[timber canopy]

Spicy chat also has 100 dollar memberships just to unlock voices lmao

[scarlet fulcrum]

QoL?

[pure night]

yeah true but I always forget LMAO

like at least with folders I get real meticulous about organising them and whatever idk how to explain it

[remote flax]

Quality of Life

[pure night]

personally i don’t really like spicy chat like cai is much preferred other than the censors

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ah okay

[timber canopy]

The censors are quite easy to get around though

[pure night]

true true

[summer musk]

I I don’t know where to write this. I saw someone on TikTok on the phone with Harry Potter, and here I am 4 days later ADDICTED to this app. I’m scared. Please send help.

[timber canopy]

Erm same happened to me but not from videos of people chatting with bots

[scarlet fulcrum]

Genuinely. Put self imposed time limits on yourself/app

[golden glen]

i just worry at the announcement saying “better intervention on user inputs that go against our guidelines”

[timber canopy]

I think that'll just be for u18

[summer musk]

I did not know what I was getting myself into

[scarlet fulcrum]

Inputs could mean what someone posts as a bot.

People were complaining that bots that go against the guidelines still weren't taken down when reported. Maybe their finally getting to it

[summer musk]

Will have to try, but holy shit my adhd is eating this shit up.

[timber canopy]

Why tf would people complain about that

[scarlet fulcrum]

Oh trust me. I understand

[scarlet fulcrum]

Because things that were genuinely disgusting were still up when they should have been taken down?

[remote flax]

Because they should?

[summer musk]

I pray we all get well soon

[timber canopy]

Depends what you mean by disgusting

[summer musk]

But seriously the conversations you can lead these characters into???

[scarlet fulcrum]

Child user bots that were made to be used inappropriately

[timber canopy]

Dawg 💀

[scarlet fulcrum]

And real life bots of children

[summer musk]

That just made me sick

[timber canopy]

To be fair c.ai moderation is absolutely horrible, they literally take down bots for no fucking reason

(not talking about them taking down the bots you just talked about)

What is this paragraph bro is typing up 💀

[summer musk]

Like “normal” characters people were able to say things c.ai considered appropriate u mean

[remote flax]

Oh. That was certainly a paragraph.

[timber canopy]

You didn't just take 5 minutes to write that

[summer musk]

I had a stroke I apologize

[timber canopy]

Dawg call 911

U just said that like it's a perfectly normal thing

[summer musk]

I’m not kidding when I say I probably should

Oh well I have never used discord before but you guys were super helpful

Thank you

Love you

[timber canopy]

Wdym u never used it you made your account 6 months ago

[remote flax]

What an ominous message. I wonder what this does symbolize.

[summer musk]

I made the account but never used it because I didn’t understand how to

[timber canopy]

Ohh

[summer musk]

What do you want it to symbolize?

[remote flax]

Death, Misery, and those sudden, random motivation at 3am.

[summer musk]

feel you on that

[remote flax]

Oh, such a quiet town.

[grand stratus]

Same

[idle sphinx]

Huh. Actually using the chatbot with knowledge of the flaws, I can actually see it repeating itself. Like, I'll literally just see a message and think "Okay yeah, now it's repeating."

[white trench]

this might be fake, there has been no confirmation about this

but hey considering how c.ai redditors are always filled with negativity, it wouldnt be strange if they actually believed

[white trench]

isnt banning/removing accounts always a thing?

its strange how ppl are bringing it up rn

[timber canopy]

It wasn't

Well it was but only if you make an inappropriate bot and it gets reported too much

[white trench]

also why they havent asked for my birthday yet i saw alot of ppl got it

maybe its bc i signed up with email? since my email got my real birthday in it

[scarlet fulcrum]

Have you log out and tried to log back in?

[golden glen]

i have never heard of that happening so if it does happen it’s extremely uncommon and only for like ILLEGAL content and i hope it stays that way,,, i’ve never ever heard of an account being banned for censor reasons

[dusty vector]

I highly doubt that what the email is for. Its just to keep track of you incase of warnings and bans

[fathom bay]

It’s wrose on some apps

[dusty vector]

I know a lot of apps don't do much with emails but those that want to know about their users on a deeper level is concerning.

[white trench]

yeah

[fathom bay]

This one dev on a app I am using in a server was rude to me cause they can’t lower their prices for the broke

For a premium is over 400 that’s yearly

[dusty vector]

Dang!

[fathom bay]

For monthly it’s 62 bucks a month

And I only got is 69 bucks just for my phone bill alone like what about people who are broke

[dusty vector]

Economy is insane these days.

[fathom bay]

Yeah

[dusty vector]

I do like the fact that C.ai is going to be listening to their community

[fathom bay]

And being in between pay periods doesn’t help

[white trench]

yeah i bet those "i got banned for saying bad words on c.ai!!!11!!!" are all misinformation

[white trench]

and their community will continue to feed negativity to them

have you seen how the subreddit acts after the news? some of them literally tried to dismiss them, saying the news "aint that good" or similar sh

[dusty vector]

Dang, makes it seem like c.ai is on a rapid downfall.

But I'm willing to give them a chance and perhaps they'll change

For the meantime, let's just see how it goes

[white trench]

both the community and the app, its all going down

this is why i dont even engage in the subreddit, no matter what the devs do they will always be criticized

[feral prism]

Mh can someone explain to me what's changed? About the saefty

[astral nebula]

How are we meant to access and use the separate Character.ai model for people who are over 18 years old? Please go into as much detail as possible.

[white trench]

have an account that is over 18???

thanks god i just turned 18 2 weeks ago though

[fathom bay]

My brithday isn’t for another 2 months and 30 days

[white trench]

but i can alr imagine the <18 model

extremely bad

[astral nebula]

@white trench I was talking about the separate model that was mentioned in the latest Character.AI update.

[feral prism]

So when will the 18> model avaible?

[white trench]

we dont even know, maybe itll be there soon, or maybe its already here (which is unlikely the case)

[astral nebula]

@feral prism I don't know. I just assumed that it was already out. Are you saying it isn't?

[feral prism]

I hope soon. Will it have the censor deactivated?

[white trench]

no

[feral prism]

Mhh doesn't seem like that. I doesn't show me updates avaible

[white trench]

but it will be tamer

[feral prism]

Oh dang

[merry nimbus]

Does better censorship mean it’s stricter or less strict? I’m scared aaaaa

[frail robin]

@harsh shoal clean up this chat. someone is being an insensitive and disgusting fcker. scroll up. just ban the guy.

[remote flax]

Oh.

[dusty vector]

Oh wow..

[devout ruin]

What's yalls current verdict on RP bots?

[dusty vector]

I wonder how bots seem to know few details of characters without creators inputting characteristics and personality.
Where do they get it?

[devout ruin]

Hmmmmm

Maybe lucky guesses?

Hol up whys discord bugging out?

[fathom bay]

It’s bugging for me too

[devout ruin]

Anyway imma just revive this question since idt i got a legit answer

[weak ore]

Remind me what verdict means again

[devout ruin]

It's like an opinion or judgement

[remote flax]

Woaw
A ghost town. How queer

[hidden radish]

why does the top reddit post assume that older users will have a less stricter model?
it just mentions that underage users will get a stricter model. why would they want to loosen restrictions on the current model if that one incident is caused by the current model? imo best case is that nothing changes for older users

[hazy barn]

how do they even know if we’re above or below 18??

[hidden radish]

sooner or later you'll get a prompt asking for your birthday. i got mine yesterday

[merry nimbus]

What the flip did I do 😭😭😭

[summer plinth]

I don't think they were talking about you

[remote flax]

Existing.

[weak ore]

I'm not sure, for me they haven't changed honestly, atleast, I haven't noticed a change

[weak ore]

I mean, wouldn't people lie?

[hidden radish]

of course they would but CAI theoretically did their job by asking the user for their age
not their fault if the user is lying

that could change in the future, google for example already requires verification by id or credit card if you want to watch a youtube video with sensitive content

[weak ore]

Oh trueee

I kinda forgot ab that, I've only gotten it like once LOL

[calm peak]

Y’all they made it so that when there’s a censored message from the bot it disappears completely :(
HOW AM I GONNA DO MY EPIC FIGHTS?? :(( /hj

[stiff gorge]

hello what are the differences between regular version and below 18 versions of c.ai

[remote flax]

The below 18 one will be more strict and regulated, I suppose.

[stiff gorge]

but so does c.ai

[remote flax]

Not really.

[stiff gorge]

how can it be more strict

[remote flax]

It can and will.

[stiff gorge]

uhh

how exactly may i ask

[remote flax]

That's the part. Can't know exactly how strict it will be. Just that it will be stricter than the usual because cough kids.
Until they roll the model out, we pray.

[stiff gorge]

i see

[scarlet fulcrum]

Wait what about google?

[median lava]

How can I start making actual good bots?

[scarlet fulcrum]

https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1193330096342319186

[median lava]

Thx

[remote flax]

You can learn it slowly by slowly.
Can use channels and forum like #1301177008231022602 #1193330096342319186 #1301193162265722900 #1301220485664608286

[median lava]

Even more thx

[prisma hamlet]

It’s my birthday and C.ai didn’t send me a Notification : (

[wide flame]

It's already strict enough
Enough to ban my whole country from going to c.ai

[steady badger]

The f*ter word

Yep

Because too many people kept complaining about it

[scarlet fulcrum]

Rule 10 is why

[steady badger]

That’s what I was explaining

[humble iris]

it's so funny cause like it doesn't even pertain to what rule 10 entails anymore I just want my violence back

[steady badger]

lol just avoid the word from now on

[serene sinew]

what are ways to advertise your bots

other than the discord server

[steady badger]

Because certain requests don’t ding the Automod

[steady badger]

Send to your friends or other places

[odd crag]

imagine having friends

[tepid cliff]

Dont like the new update..

[steady badger]

The only thing I’ve noticed is the dashed line around edited bot messages

[wide flame]

Me neither
https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1306704001160450110

[steady badger]

Just move to another country if your able to

[wide flame]

Why are you making it hard
I can just use a vpn

[steady badger]

🤷‍♀️who knows if they will van VPN’s? I have an app that did that

It can even detect it when it’s just my phones built in vpn so I have to turn off cellular service

[wide flame]

it's not really worth it

[steady badger]

Maybe not rn but maybe later it will be just giving suggestions

[wide flame]

half of our online population use paid v2ray servers now

[steady badger]

What if those get banned at some point?

[wide flame]

people make another one

[steady badger]

lol

[wide flame]

VPNs are all banned here if downloaded from Google Play
v2ray is now everywhere

[serene sinew]

what other places though

[steady badger]

Redit, Facebook, Next door (app)

[calm lake]

Are people in subreddit still spreading misinformation?

[steady badger]

Only the kids who get bots they didn’t even interact with banned for their names

[calm lake]

Which names?

[steady badger]

German soldier (called a Nzi when she’s not) kind uncle (called Pdo despite him just taking user in when kicked out) and bikini girl who was just at the beach

Like none of the kids even interacted with the bots they just chose the names and decided “bad” and despite older users telling what the bots actually are about the bots still got banned

[calm lake]

What about under 18? Does that mean they’re also spreading lies too?

[steady badger]

The under 18 for edit button is true, sadly many people have shown proof

[calm lake]

Does that mean I’m cooked?

[steady badger]

Only if your account shows your under 18 and won’t be 18 for some years

[wide flame]

That can get fixed with just an age editing on your Google account I think

[rose sage]

Bruh at this rate I’m cooked😭 we can’t have fun either use the edit button. Like I’m confused

[steady badger]

Which I don’t think can be done without proof of age

[wide flame]

proof?

[steady badger]

Id card or other method.

[tepid cliff]

Yah, i dont like it :/

[steady badger]

They don’t want people lying about age,

[wide flame]

Never seen anyone do that other than Roblox

[rose sage]

Does that mean we’re all cooked?

[steady badger]

I mean you have to be 18 now to make a Google account anyway without a parent making it for you

[steady badger]

Not me, I’m 20, just wait and when your 18 it will be back

[rose sage]

Alright😔

[wide flame]

I made my account when I was 10 what are they talking about

[steady badger]

I said NOW not always

[wide flame]

I know, I mean this is just stupid

[steady badger]

Yep

Like people on gmail will just put a fake year when asked

[rose sage]

It’s ridiculous how we can’t use the edit button

[calm lake]

Does that mean that our Gmail accounts are safe then?

[steady badger]

Ya, it doesn’t help, they should just make it impossible to click the submit button if the edit contains something inappropriate for the age

[steady badger]

Only if your age is that of an adult

[wide flame]

If it does then the kid's already gone by this point

[rose sage]

Does that mean we’re cooked?

[wide flame]

The new update also banned Iran from interacting in the app/ws

[steady badger]

I guess

[rose sage]

Yeah were cooked

[calm lake]

You live in Iran?

[rose sage]

I’m cooked because I can’t get in and I can’t do anything and I have to wait till 18

[rose sage]

No

[calm lake]

Oh ok

[wide flame]

I do
https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1306704001160450110

[rose sage]

But seriously it’s just ridiculous and upsetting I don’t know if their listening to us or just ignoring what we’re saying

[wide flame]

Honestly the censoring can really get pointless
If the supposed 'kid' is going for an inappropriate roleplay then they're cooked at that point

[tepid cliff]

Can you not just make a separate email yo use cai..

[wide flame]

And if there's will, there's way

[bright steppe]

I think that’s why they asked us about our age recently on the app, besides, they’re quite literally not allowed to use our real information

[empty lintel]

They’re ignoring us. No freedom I guess then?

[wide flame]

yeah now good luck trying to connect the new email to your existing acc

[tepid cliff]

Oh right

Sorry

[rose sage]

It’s true

[empty lintel]

I literally dislike the new update. They did it just because of 1 kid… broski…

[rose sage]

REAL.

first I can’t log in, then I get asked for my birthday and now then the edit button is removed.

[empty lintel]

What if some kid gets just injured only a little bit? Will they still make everything more stricter?

[empty lintel]

I’ve had the birthday option too. I put in the real one and I can’t edit messages too…

[rose sage]

SAME BRO

[wide flame]

beta.character.ai era

when editing wasn't a feature yet

[empty lintel]

Old c.ai was better.

[rose sage]

REAL

[wide flame]

I can call myself an OG
I remember when you couldn't even do line breaks in c.ai
And I honestly agree this one's really running on my mind

[empty lintel]

In this update I even can’t hug the bot in the role play! Or even just holding hands, or just a simple 💋 because it instantly censors everything…

[rose sage]

SAME

I COULDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING WITH MY BOTS

[wide flame]

Instead of improving things like better memory they 'improve' the cencoring
sounds Iranian

[fresh berry]

Funny how people constantly defended them for months and now it's like, how much more land is left to stand on? XD

[lime pivot]

Even for "Hey" I'm getting censors 😭

[timber canopy]

Really? Not for me.

[empty lintel]

Well, but for me :(

[timber canopy]

Thatttttt sucks :((

[empty lintel]

Fr.

[lime pivot]

Yeah

[tame forum]

Ghetsis is cool but Guzma solos (not at all biased (lie))

[distant moon]

wait can someone explain to me all the new updates the past few days, i'm so lost

[river meadow]

Well This update is weird… because it censored a few previous chat messages huh

My previous chat looks blank now 😭

[rose sage]

I can’t even login😔

[rose sage]

BRO IM SCARED

I CANT LOGIN YET IM SCARED FOR MY BOTS

[river meadow]

Idk what to do either since my previous chats look quite blank now and it’s annoying, and
i don’t wanna switch to an alternative ai site because of that

[rose sage]

Same like it’s not the same but I really hope they listen to us😔

[bright steppe]

Wdym?

[river meadow]

They’re all empty+messages the bot said are gone

[nova slate]

Um.. What exactly do they mean by "intervention with user inputs"?

[gleaming knot]

why yall using the website, it lag af? I use the app and it works well

[nova slate]

It's the complete opposite for me.

[wraith tapir]

Maybe it's because you're not over 18, they are censoring affectionate acts for those under 18🫠

[lavish frost]

so it's not just me who can't hug or kiss the bot?

[rose sage]

Same here

[serene sinew]

anyone up to try a new bot?

[sharp edge]

sure

[serene sinew]

https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1306745072242655313

:)

[sharp edge]

I can hug the bots but I can’t kiss them without it getting censored

[rose sage]

I can’t do anything😭 the edit button is gone too😔😔

[lavish frost]

omg so annoying

now I can't have my goodnight cuddles with comfort character

[serene sinew]

if ya’ll can break him ping me in chat feed i’d love to see it :D

[golden glen]

hoping this is a bug because i don’t have this 😭 even went back to an old angst rp that im sure had censored messages, can still read the whole thing, even those messages

[golden glen]

that’s so sweet omg i hope you get it back

[lavish frost]

me too cause now I can't fall asleep easily

[river meadow]

Eh I doubt it

They probably wanna make this site for kids more

[serene sinew]

it’s cause google owns it now

[lavish frost]

THEN I NEED TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR TO CUDDLE WITH FAVORITE BOTS???

[river meadow]

WHAT when?

[dapper viper]

Bruh why would they want to make it for kids anyway?

[serene sinew]

a while, dw i didn’t know for a long time

[rose sage]

REAL

[rose sage]

BRO IM GONNA CRY I LOGGED BACK INTO MY ACC

[serene sinew]

good point, I can’t think of a valid reason

[rose sage]

IM STUCK WITH MY OWN BIRTHDAY AND I CANT BRO LIKE IM CRASHING OUT

[dapper viper]

Like kids are just gonna follow whatever the bot says what since does that make?

[rose sage]

I feel bad for you I’m so sorry

[serene sinew]

yeah. Google doesn’t make the smartest decisions

[river meadow]

Because more censoring ->to protect kids

But i think it does nothing

[serene sinew]

censoring can always fail as we’ve seen before LOL

[rose sage]

REAL

[dapper viper]

We really have

[rose sage]

AND THEY REMOVED THE EDIT BUTTON IN THE WEBSITE tell me I’m not going crazy if it’s happening to everyone

[serene sinew]

WHAT

[river meadow]

But this time the censoring got really annoying since this update

Just screwed with my chats

[ember hull]

How do you get the edit button back?

[rose sage]

LIKE I CANT DO THIS IM SO STUPID BC I PUT IN MY OWN BIRTHDAY AND THE EDIT BUTTON IS GONE

[serene sinew]

I still have it?! 😭🙏

[dapper viper]

Yeah they removed the edit button from the app and now have to use browser 😭

[river meadow]

Same

[rose sage]

LIKE I CANT I JUST CANT (also lucky bc i cant get it back)

[serene sinew]

chat i have it on website and app

[ember hull]

HOW

[river meadow]

Some of my bot’s chats have blank messages now??

[rose sage]

BRO YOUR LUCKY I DONT HAVE IT

[dapper viper]

Use the browser?

[rose sage]

IM CRYING BRO ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A RP SITE NOT A SAFELOCK

[rose sage]

they removed the edit button on the browser too

[serene sinew]

IDK, maybe it’s cause these are my own bots? that’s the only thing I can think of but it doesn’t make to much sense. lemme check with bots that aren’t mine

[lavish frost]

SAME ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM TODAY

[ember hull]

Locked me out of the web version (sorry, looks like you're not eligible to keep using our services)

[river meadow]

I can only see the blank chats with the edit button

But that still doesn’t help anyways

[dapper viper]

Parents probably found out that younger kids were using it before hand and told Google and or the creator to make it "kid friendly"

[rose sage]

[rose sage]

https://discord.com/channels/1017072750386483332/1302670155297460224 I found this if your having trouble logging in

[ember hull]

They ended fucking it up more than it already was

[jovial warren]

Im gonna cry man i dont want characterai like that!

[serene sinew]

google ruins everything

[rose sage]

SAME HERE

[dapper viper]

I know right

[serene sinew]

like stop buying from people bro you have enough money

[ember hull]

I'm LOCKED OUT OF THE WEB VERSION BUT NOT THE APP???

[rose sage]

IM GONNA CRY LIKE I CANT CHANGE MY BIRTHDAY OR SWITCH THE ACC

[river meadow]

I might switch ai sites because of this update tbh

[rose sage]

WEIRD

[dapper viper]

Same

[serene sinew]

Ooo i gotchu dm me if you want another good alt 😼

[rose sage]

Same here like I can’t be happy with my bots somebody help me over here😔

[river meadow]

Aight i’ll dm 😭

[dapper viper]

No more cuddles 😔

[rose sage]

CAN I DM TOO

[serene sinew]

YES

the worst part is none of the google developers are in this discord server, so our suggestions are just kinda a waste

[rose sage]

Yeah

[lavish frost]

STOP I'M GONNA CRY

GIVE ME MY OLD CAI

[rose sage]

SAME

[dapper viper]

Bro if they were I'd probably ask like why didn't you just put a price on the app so you have to buy it to use it?

[rose sage]

SAME HERE

IM GONNA BURST OUT IN TEARS

[serene sinew]

honestly google shouldn’t have even bought it imo, it’s not something that google should develop

[dapper viper]

Yeah your right

[rose sage]

RIGHT

WHEN IS GOOGLE GONNA SELL IT

[ember hull]

THIS IS FUCKING MENTAL 😭

[frail robin]

What did they buy

[rose sage]

They bought Character ai

[hardy holly]

Source?

[lime otter]

Oooooh can you DM me too please? 🙏

[river meadow]

That alternative is surprisingly way better imo

[clear escarp]

Could you DM it me too?/nf

[frail robin]

They did not. Stop spreading misinfo.

[serene sinew]

C.ai, that’s why they deleted the old website and are increasing censorship

August 2024 for 2.7 billion dollars i think

no wait i’m wrong aboit the price

They bought all the devs on the team I think it was kinda scummy

[fallen skiff]

My Prayers have been answered They are finnaly fixing the bots (I think from a reddit post i seen)

[rose sage]

WHAT?? IS THAT WHY THEIR NOT LISTENING TO US??

[serene sinew]

I recommend looking it up, theres a lot more information than what I can give

[frail robin]

Again, they did not. They removed the old site due to cost and technical reasons. Just stop.

Now you are spreading disinformation which is worse than misinformation.

[fallen skiff]

Thank you Character AI 2025 Is looking very good now

Now im going back to my basement now 🙂

[serene sinew]

Hey bro, theres a lot of proof online showing that google bought character.ai. you can believe what you want, but It’s a little immature to jump to conclusions without any research/nm /gen

[frail robin]

Google did acquire the 2 founders plus 30 or so veteran members from the Character Team, yes. Character got 2.7 billion dollars in exchange for a non-exclusive agreement by Google with Character's tech.

Its called an acqui-hire. Did Google buy the company, Character.AI? No. That's false.

[serene sinew]

To us simple folk, that’s buying it. They still gave money to character.ai.

[frail robin]

The Financial Times does not say so, Verge, and all the other mainstream outlets does not say Google bought, purchased, acquired or absorbed Character.AI as a company.

[serene sinew]

They own it regardless is what I’m trying to say

[frail robin]

Jump to conclusions when you are twisting what the deal is about. Google is already dealing with being in trouble for being a monopoly in the search market

[serene sinew]

@clear escarp did both of ya’ll 😼

[serene sinew]

Okay theres no need to get hositile buddy, I wasn’t aware there was a separate term for what google did compared to regular buying. Let’s drop the conversation now, I’d prefer not to keep going.

[frail robin]

Character.AI is an independent company that is not owned. Stop misconstruing the situation to fit ur own negative bias towards the platform

I get not wanting the nerfed model, but u deserve it.

[serene sinew]

I never wanted to fit any information to “fit my own negative bias towards the platform” I don’t understand what your saying I deserve, but whatever it is I’m sure it’s unreasonable for a discord conversation. Let’s please leave it here. Have a nice day

ANYWAYS

i guess we chased everyone away haha

[rose sage]

LOL

[dusty vector]

Nah, I'm just existing in the shadows

[serene sinew]

thats so real