あ
#日本語で
tall oar
ここか
proud relic
ヤッホ〜
tall oar
お～い
proud relic
@urban geyser うぃ〜
tall oar
en glish pls
英語の何がええん?
proud relic
@glad wharf さん、こっち来て〜！
regal marten
ok
tall oar
@round halo やあ!
regal marten
理解できない
urban geyser
husk
urban geyser
hiii
proud relic
do you love the new addition to the vencord community
tall oar
日本語で皮肉がないよね（とか、バカすぎてわからないだけかもw）
一応あるんちゃう、ググるったらこれ出てきた笑
regal marten
orange
proud relic
一応あるんちゃう、ググるったらこれ出てきた笑
wwwwwwww
regal marten
since i dont speak japanese
i also don’t
tall oar
did i do it correctly
問題無いよ〜
proud relic
@tall oar 今日スマホの言語、日本語に変えた
tall oar
<@353736669138255874> 今日スマホの言語、日本語に変えた
良いな
tall oar
<@353736669138255874> 今日スマホの言語、日本語に変えた
「プラグイン」ってこれどのオーエス?
proud relic
「プラグイン」ってこれどのオーエス?
JBって
proud relic
いいね
tall oar
アンドロイドかと思ったわ笑
proud relic
「all japanese all the time」って意味だよね
tall oar
まあみた感じどの言語でも使えそうやから日本語でも使えるんちゃう？
tall oar
うん、でも日本語勉強する時はよくあるよ
まあ、それ使って習ってみた後の感想教えて
proud relic
まあ、それ使って習ってみた後の感想教えて<:trolley:1024751352028602449>
うん、1年後w
tall oar
反対にでも日本語のコンテント英語と比べたら割と少ないから初めから日本語のコンテント好きじゃないとあかんかも。。
proud relic
i just realized pjsk is an immersion gold mine
hundreds of hours of content with jp subtitles
tall oar
hundreds of hours of content with jp subtitles
pjskに飽きるまで見放題！
そういえばほんま僕たち以外日本語喋れる人たちおらんの？
proud relic
そういえばほんま僕たち以外日本語喋れる人たちおらんの？
そうは思わないかも。「Mugman、Luna、Dawns、Rushii、Hahalosah」はちょっと分かると思うけど、どれくらい話せるかは分からないね〜
tall oar
ほとんどDMやんw
proud relic
dawnsとrushiiが一番知ってるね
tall oar
@glad wharf 喋ってること分かる？
tall oar
あと、「話す」って話すか？それとも「話せる」って？
でまあこの時は「話すか？」よりも「言いますか」の方がいいかも
proud relic
話すはただ "to talk"ってことやで
ああ〜、そうなんだよね
proud relic
でまあこの時は「話すか？」よりも「言いますか」の方がいいかも
うん多分
tall oar
それって褒めてるの？分かんないねw
まあ状況によるかも
tall oar
ああ、そうだね
so fyi this is like a strange expression, would be either of 「ふーん、そうなのか」or 「ああ、そうだね」
proud relic
is ふーん not like hmm? i meant it as “hmm, i see”
although ああ probably makes more sense
tall oar
is ふーん not like hmm? i meant it as “hmm, i see”
in this context おお or ああ is probably more fitting
just intuitively doesn't sit right trol
proud relic
yeah i think i see where you’re coming from
ふーん has a more like uninterested or bored vibe i think?
tall oar
ふーん has a more like uninterested or bored vibe i think?
i guess maybe in this specific instance it's more like having received new information as truth rather than having connected the dots yourself?
hard to explain actually without the theory but that's my intuition on it
it can also be used to signal disinterest though if you use it multiple times yes
but i think that goes with almost all conversation flowers
proud relic
相槌 is so confusing sometimes
tall oar
unfortunately i never learned this from theory so the only thing i have to grapple with is pure intuition
proud relic
but i think that goes with almost all conversation flowers
ok but like what do you do when you used うん too much and now you have to use something else to not seem like you’re disinterested
tall oar
ok but like what do you do when you used うん too much and now you have to use som...
just dont say うん back-to-back
proud relic
LMAO
tall oar
husk
proud relic
🛁
but yeah ok that’s fair
i try to do that with そうだね
i try to stay away from はい because it feels more formal to me even though i know it’s used both formally and casually
tall oar
i try to do that with そうだね
「うん」、「へー」、「うんうん」、「そうなんだ」、「はいはい」is usually what i would use i think
proud relic
そうなんだ is used more like when you wanna agree but you already knew like “yeah true (I WANTED TO SAY THAT >:cccc)”
i would drop the なん
or well idk anything really but thats how it is in my head
tall oar
i would drop the なん
as in 「そうだ」? because the first thing that comes to mind is like trying to hype someone up
tall oar
as in "you're right! yeah!"
proud relic
as in 「そうだ」? because the first thing that comes to mind is like trying to hype s...
yea
or そうだよ
tall oar
そうなんだ is used more like when you wanna agree but you already knew like “yeah tru...
meanwhile そうなんだ is more like "ohh, thats how it is"
proud relic
or well そうだね
tall oar
allowing for natural convo flow
tall oar
or well そうだね
this one is fine too
tall oar
or そうだよ
but this?
this is like uhhh
saying as if you already knew that
or are the one telling it
and clarifying
proud relic
yeah
tall oar
so it would not usually be a good conversation flower
proud relic
like when you’re confirming a question with an answer
but the asker already knows the answer and you’re reinforcing it
tall oar
like when you’re confirming a question with an answer
yes
are we still talking about conversation flowers or where is this convo going to
because i generally wouldnt consider that a conversation flower
more like a question flower? idk
proud relic
idk about そうなんだ for “oh is that how it is?” i would have used そうなんだね or そうなのか
proud relic
because i generally wouldnt consider that a conversation flower
i dont think it is
tall oar
idk about そうなんだ for “oh is that how it is?” i would have used そうなんだね or そうなのか
all of those would work fine as conversation flowers
proud relic
そう conjugations for 相槌 apparently
tall oar
would you not say "へー、そうなんだ" as a conversation flower??
tall oar
i mean this is probably standard japanese territory because in kansaiben we just get rid of the だ entirely to make "へー、そうなん"
proud relic
horror
tall oar
but i believe そうなんだ should work personally
proud relic
i wouldve imagined そうなんや
tall oar
albeit might hold a certain personality
tall oar
i wouldve imagined そうなんや
would also work
proud relic
hmmm
tall oar
or there's the alternative "あ、そう" with extension on the そ for the impression of caring about the convo more
and i guess also "へ、知らなかった〜" (feminine, standard/tokyo)
which in kansai would be more like "へ、知らんかった（わ）"
tall oar
just "そう" would not work but "あ、そう" does
wait actually
it might work
yeah i think it does
proud relic
あ、そう
proud relic
and i guess also "へ、知らなかった〜" (feminine, standard/tokyo)
i should use this more often it sounds cute
tall oar
"何何があって。。。"
”そ〜う” (not actually written that way but imagine in speech)
"でね、。。。。。。"
yeah this would work
although it might actually be a contraction of the "あ、そう"
tall oar
i should use this more often it sounds cute
i will cringe because too tokyo-feminine for my liking but yes
more on the tokyo part than the feminine part but .
proud relic
i will cringe because too tokyo-feminine for my liking but yes
わぁ〜、本当にすごい！大好きね〜！
tall oar
わぁ〜、本当にすごい！大好きね〜！
(would be more "わぁ〜、すご〜い！" and idk what you would have meant by "大好きね〜！" but yes)
proud relic
like "i love it" but softer (and very casual because i omitted basically everything)
but yeah okie
tall oar
:3
tall oar
like "i love it" but softer (and very casual because i omitted basically everyth...
im not exactly sure japanese people usually say "i love it" that often actually
they usually say things that are more like "so pretty" or "so cute" or whatev
proud relic
i see いいね or 本当に可愛い more often actually tbh good point
tall oar
i mean, of course, with the exception of romance and love and shit "あんたのことが好きなの！" "大好きよ！"
but then also those phrases are usually reserved for anime/manga because in reality japanese people and unfortunately asians in general dont really say "i love you" that much
proud relic
whats the gravity between 本当に vs とても vs すごくvs めっちゃ btw
iirc すごく is more formal? idk about the other 2
tall oar
とても is the more formal one
proud relic
ah
tall oar
and for the ranking of the casual ones it's like すごく < めっちゃ < 本当に
although i believe めっちゃ is probably kansai
tall oar
the ranking is for their gravity not casuality
tall oar
めっちゃ would be the most informal one here though
followed by すごく
and 本当に might not be casual really
can also be used in polite speech
like 本当に高価な物でして。。。
where it can also be swapped out for とても
proud relic
although i believe めっちゃ is probably kansai
it is but i think its become a general word all over japan
proud relic
and 本当に might not be casual really
i see
proud relic
lmfao
tall oar
the real pretentious people btw are the kyotoites because they were the capital of japan for like 10x longer than tokyo was so they look down on everyone
tall oar
i wonder if my sentences sound more formal because i use 本当に way too much
if i read it as kansai it wouldnt be
trol
but if i read as standard/tokyo, then maybe
proud relic
the real pretentious people btw are the kyotoites because they were the capital ...
lmfaooooo
proud relic
if i read it as kansai it wouldnt be
i have absolutely no idea what is formal and what isnt in kansai lmao
tall oar
formal in kansai is usually just standard japanese with kansai accent
casual is where words actually look diff
and where you can really see the diffs
proud relic
isnt that like a thing in all dialects
proud relic
yeah
tall oar
thus everyone is standard when formal
proud relic
there was that one anime where a girl always used formal speech to try and hide her dialect and her friends kept pushing to speak casually to see her dialect
i forgot what its called
tall oar
hm
when im forced to speak standard casual i forget how to speak
my brain no worky :/
there was one episode of tv where they try to get kansai speakers to speak in standard and they just stopped being able to speak normally
proud relic
thats me too but only because i never learnt formal speech because im only around people who speak casually lol
the anime is called この音とまれ
i think?
tall oar
i guess you'll atleast have a easier time given that formal is also standard
proud relic
yeah
tall oar
as opposed to me having to learn standard just for formal
which is why i also dont like speaking in formal
proud relic
how did you even immerse specifically in kansai
tall oar
combined with the fact that i dont really know it too well
proud relic
resources like anki will teach you standard
tall oar
how did you even immerse specifically in kansai
i mean my whole family and the first n years of my life were in kansai so like
tall oar
this however means i had close to zero immersion to standard
thus why i cant speak shitall in formal/casual standard
proud relic
lmfao
proud relic
do they have a good computer science program
im considering anywhere in japan if they accept overseas students and have a good CS program
the fact that kyushu is far from tokyo was only a side benefit to me
tall oar
i mean i know ethanrdoesmc from rjb went to kansai gaidai
although for language so
idk if they have cs but maybe they do
cs tho prob the bigger unis
like osaka uni
tall oar
i would get eaten alive 😭
would u
proud relic
yes im not exactly in a pure state of being
im sure christian people would burn me at the stake
proud relic
i mean i know ethanrdoesmc from rjb went to kansai gaidai
did they go from europe/america tho?
tall oar
im sure christian people would burn me at the stake
im sure its basically just a name by now
proud relic
because going from there to asia to uni is more difficult than i expected
proud relic
yeah maybe
tall oar
did they go from europe/america tho?
i believe he went from america yes
given that they name it informational sciences and not computer science makes me think this might be a bit diff from compsci
but idk
also werent u going to do math major
idk
proud relic
i was but im like 4 years ahead in cs so i wanted to pick that as an easy major so that life in japan is easier
ie less time studying because i already know the content
and more time exploring
tall oar
given that they name it informational sciences and not computer science makes me...
oh ok after watching the vid i guess it is regular compsci, might be more practical tho?
tall oar
i was but im like 4 years ahead in cs so i wanted to pick that as an easy major ...
o
true
tall oar
:3333
tall oar
oh ok after watching the vid i guess it is regular compsci, might be more practi...
right they also have data science stuff mixed in
and also AI
proud relic
tbh kyushu uni also doesnt advertise it as a compsci uni
they say its more electricity and stuff which is why they want a B/C in physics
tall oar
they say its more electricity and stuff which is why they want a B/C in physics
huh, so more computer engineering i guess?
rather than computer science
proud relic
i do want a CS course if possible
proud relic
they say its more electricity and stuff which is why they want a B/C in physics
and i think B/C is fair because you cant expect someone studying 日本語 as a 5th aーlevel to also get A*/A
tall oar
also Japan unis are 4 years as compared to Europe's 3 where the first year is like extended high school before you pick actual major
tro
proud relic
yeah thats fine with me actually
tall oar
and i think B/C is fair because you cant expect someone studying 日本語 as a 5th aー...
true
also pretty sure entrance exam stuff
which is annoying
proud relic
my predicted grades are looking like A*A*AB (cs, maths, further maths, physics)
tall oar
nice
proud relic
even though theres plenty of time to fix it because its only winter of y12 i have at least a year until mocks
proud relic
also pretty sure entrance exam stuff
thats fine
as long as the mark scheme for CS isnt stupid and specific/ambiguous (i hate AQA with a passion) i can score almost 100% lol
i lost a mark because they asked “define the difference between definite and indefinite iteration” and i didn’t know whether they meant while(true) vs while(cond) or count controlled vs condition controlled
and i lost another mark because they said “the string must contain only uppercase letters” and i interpreted it as “must contain only uppercase characters”
like it’s not that i don’t know the content that’s just stupid
tall oar
btw would u be going to a jp speaking uni?
proud relic
ideally yeah? idk if i can handle the technical terms
although it’s mostly katakana lmao
コンパイル
コンピュター
tall oar
ideally yeah? idk if i can handle the technical terms
japanese language test
proud relic
プログラミング言語
tall oar
proud relic
japanese language test
kyushu uni says they have mandatory jp classes for a year and then you can choose to continue taking them afterwards if you wish
but the course itself is in english
tall oar
oh interesting
a year will not be enough for learning jp tho 💀 surely they will also entrance eliminate those with too little jp skills for day to day life?
proud relic
idk going to uni in japan is already a silly idea because ideally i would be going to edinburgh (for maximum efficiency) but kyushu seems like a good choice going on that path
tall oar
idk going to uni in japan is already a silly idea because ideally i would be goi...
you could always exchange program
proud relic
they say knowing japanese is not necessary to go to this university but it’s a good idea to know enough to communicate
tall oar
huh damn
proud relic
lemme find the official statement
tall oar
I would think they should have language entrance exams just bc it's japan
and esp if it's not tokyo
you can't talk to shitall with english
proud relic
Although you won't need to use Japanese when you take classes in international programs, there is no doubt that life in Japan is much more enjoyable if you can speak a little of the language. At each campus of Kyushu University, Japanese teachers at the International Student Center give Japanese lessons to those who wish to learn.
Although the course is taught in English, students are required to take Japanese language classes for the first year, and can continue this if they choose.
tall oar
> Although you won't need to use Japanese when you take classes in international...
I guess they are expecting students to learn naturally
hm
I do wonder how difficult it is for foreigners to live in Japan without japanese
proud relic
I guess they are expecting students to learn naturally
i mean i never “learnt” english
tall oar
since obv I haven't experienced this before
proud relic
I do wonder how difficult it is for foreigners to live in Japan without japanese
if you don’t know how to conjugate a sentence you can just like say a word and trail off
like you need the bathroom? トイレ。。。
and they’ll figure out what you mean
tall oar
if you don’t know how to conjugate a sentence you can just like say a word and t...
if they start from zero though..
they wouldn't even know that works
proud relic
if they start from zero though..
you can learn enough to get around in like a week lmao
not enough to have a conversation but to live definitely
tall oar
hm
proud relic
at least どこですか is a thing that i’ve noticed duolingo teaches you very early on which is a good thing
i would much rather you’re tought practical phrases than broken textbook japanese using あなた and whatnot like some other things teach you
tall oar
at least どこですか is a thing that i’ve noticed duolingo teaches you very early on w...
unfortunately due to pitch accent and pronunciation and stuff you'd probably have to repeat yourself a couple times righf
proud relic
oh yeah probably
tall oar
I guess thank God the internet and konbinis exist
trol
most likely unliveable otherwise
proud relic
if they speak too fast and you get absolutely nothing of what they’re saying you can always すみません、日本語を話せません (formally ofc) and they’ll probably point or speak slower in simpler terms
proud relic
I guess thank God the internet and konbinis exist
and bentos
tall oar
if they speak too fast and you get absolutely nothing of what they’re saying you...
probably point bc wtf would speaking slower do if they don't know the language
trol
tall oar
and bentos
true!
proud relic
probably point bc wtf would speaking slower do if they don't know the language
speaking slower maybe not but using simpler language maybe
tall oar
speaking slower maybe not but using simpler language maybe
potentially, although some terms you just gotta know or else you won't get it
proud relic
it’s a little advanced to say “i don’t speak japanese very well” or a lot so i don’t think it’s worth to learn that specifically but yea
saying you can’t speak at all is probably best
tall oar
i guess
proud relic
potentially, although some terms you just gotta know or else you won't get it
i mean like instead of 寿司屋 use 寿司店 or stuff like that
tall oar
I do wonder what jp people would do in that situation though, I mean I know I would be pulling up Google translate right that moment if they're not a English speaking person
proud relic
not that 店 is much easier than 屋 but whatever
proud relic
or just straight up 寿司はどこですか
good point
tall oar
good point
if you know trailing off you can further reduce to 寿司は。。。maybe
proud relic
I do wonder what jp people would do in that situation though, I mean I know I wo...
also yeah but imo it’s a bit rude to just pull up your phone
one thing i’ve learnt is that if you don’t know a word in japanese it may actually be easier to say the word in english but in a japanese accent and they might understand you lmao
apparently it’s not racist or whatever
tall oar
also yeah but imo it’s a bit rude to just pull up your phone
not exactly sure what other than that I could do given the only thing in my head is that they do not have a good grasp of the language and potentially not enough to understand my simplified sentences
might just be me
am I too rude
proud relic
nono not you
i meant the foreigner pulling up their phone
not even making an attempt to speak
just pulling up google translate
tall oar
just pulling up google translate
I meannn atleast communication is possible I guess
proud relic
I meannn atleast communication is possible I guess
google translate also sucks though
tall oar
that is indeed true
proud relic
always gives you convoluted formal conjugations and uses he/him pronouns when translating to english
tall oar
I always find it funny when the shitposts and crap on twitter gets translated to formal japanese
proud relic
the only thing it’s ever been useful for me is to see the reading of a kanji i don’t know
tall oar
the only thing it’s ever been useful for me is to see the reading of a kanji i d...
so true
anyways see u later cutie gtg
tall oar
ばいばい(^^)/~~~
proud relic
(^ω^)
glad wharf
<@295190422244950017> 喋ってること分かる？
ちょっとだけ！マジで難しいね
proud relic
本当にいいね
glad wharf
@proud relic pjsk以外のVSRGすることがあるの？
僕は5年間osuをしててけど、今だけosu!maniaを習ってみてる
proud relic
<@581573474296791211> pjsk以外のVSRGすることがあるの？
僕は5年間osuをしててけど、今だけosu!maniaを習ってみてる
うーん、「Arcaea」しかやったことないんだよねw
tall oar
「大学について話しています」って変じゃないかな？
まあどんなふうに使ってるかにもよるけどそれ自体では問題ないと思うヨ
proud relic
@tall oar is this gramatically correct and/or natural?
「地雷系の服を着るだけじゃなくて、地雷の典型って人だよね」
i feel like you would use 自体 here but idk how to word it lmao
tall oar
<@353736669138255874> is this gramatically correct and/or natural?
「地雷系の服を着るだけ...
地雷その物なんだよ would be closer to literally what you said in eng
(this applying to a person/yourself gotten from context)
proud relic
ah
wouldnt it make more sense to say like 地雷の典型なんだよ
adds extra context than just "that thing"
glad wharf
うーん、「Arcaea」しかやったことないんだよねw
それもモバイルゲームｗｗｗ
昔pjskをやる友達がいたのに、最近はもう喋らない
hexed snow
Hey, i want to start learning Japanese
What do you all think about beginning with core 2k/6k 
glad wharf
i dunno honestly
ive taken classes for like 4y
hexed snow
glad wharf
はぁぁ
酒を飲んだら、息をすることを忘れてしまってはだめだな
後で頭が痛いんだ〜
proud relic
Hey, i want to start learning Japanese
What do you all think about beginning wi...
good idea but that shouldn't be the source of your learning
only do core 2k/6k for learning what words mean
but you should be immersing to learn how to actually use the words in context
proud relic
can you already read kana
proud relic
because you'll need it to be able to read the kanji readings
proud relic
i dunno honestly
ive taken classes for like 4y
you learn so sloowww in classes
fastest way is immersion
hexed snow
there are plenty of kana anki decks if you're interested
I prefer doing my own
hexed snow
fastest way is immersion
Nobody stops you from doing both ( I've done this with German )
proud relic
I prefer doing my own
imo it's better to use a premade one for core 2k because it'll feed you terms in order instead of in sentence mining where you can add more complicated terms before learning the simple ones or learning the radicals
kana is also just easier to use a premade one because there's only about 96 total syllables to memorize anyway xd
my main source of learning was talking to people and japanese music (even tho i'm still learning) and i was exposed to terms used in every day speech that maybe you shouldn't be exposed to without knowing the simpler words first
you should also be prepared for the long grind
german takes about 600 hours to become fluent as an english speaker
japanese takes about 2200 hours to reach a similar or worse level
hexed snow
german takes about 600 hours to become fluent as an english speaker
It took me 2 years to get b2 and I still can't say that I'm fluent
So it's not a big issue
proud relic
you will not get anywhere near b2 in 2 years with japanese lmfao
hexed snow
Yea i know
But at least I can stay consistent for 2 years
So just continuing shouldn't be a problem
glad wharf
fastest way is immersion
true but at least its consistent
also free in my case for now
proud relic
@stone sentinel
a mistake i made is not learning the alphabets until a few months in, what you should start off with is learning the 2 phonetic syllabaries, hiragana and katakana. there’s loads of places you can learn them and you can probably memorize them within about a week, give or take. it will immensely help reading kanji and it will allow you to at least read some of japanese texts, even if you can’t read the kanji and don’t know what the hiragana parts mean
another mistake that i made (but not for very long) was studying individual kanji. this is a bad idea because kanji themselves could have a billion readings and memorizing each one is hell. the best way is to learn words as you see them in context (ie learn 今年 (ことし) means “this year” instead of learning that 年 means year and can be read as とし or ねん and then 今 can be read as いま or こん), that way you learn the kanji the way they’re actually said in words (which in some cases is not the same as their respective readings). i could go into a lot of detail about this but basically your main takeaway is don’t study individual kanji, study whole words
also do NOT learn the writing of any of the 3 alphabets, that’s another mistake i made, your knowledge of writing show go only as far as your own name. nobody writes anything in modern society, it’s pretty much a party trick and a waste of time unless you plan on living in japan for many years and think you will need to fill out forms and taxes and stuff. also do not learn stroke order, simply learn to recognize kanji and read them in context like i’ve said earlier
finally the biggest thing i can say is to basically learn japanese from as many sources as you possibly can and be consistent with doing it, apps should be a supplement not your main way of learning. as you develop your knowledge you will use apps less and less
currently i’m using:
- renshuu
- duolingo
- teuida
- airlearn
- anki
- my phone language is set to jp everywhere
- i watch shows and videos in japanese where i can (netflix, youtube, nikoniko)
- i watch english videos with japanese subtitles (youtube)
- i have friends that i communicate in japanese with
tall oar
also do NOT learn the writing of any of the 3 alphabets, that’s another mistake ...
nahh surely stroke order is sometimes useful for searching up kanji you don't know bc otherwise online kanji recognizers wont recognize
may potentially be for later tho
stone sentinel
much appreciated, i wasnt actually too sure if i should learn about how to write, but youre right its mostly useless, as reading is the most important
proud relic
nahh surely stroke order is sometimes useful for searching up kanji you don't kn...
i meant in the beginning
you also don’t really need to know stroke order if you know the radicals in the kanji
stone sentinel
ive never heard of renshuu, but ive heard duolingo is quite crap, perhaps its good for starting out, but it wont teach you grammar
proud relic
duo teaches you “textbook” japanese
japanese which is grammatically correct but unnatural
it is good for learning the 2 syllabaries though which is why i put it there
proud relic
like for example textbook japanese would teach you
あなたのお名前は何ですか？
(anata no namae wa nan desuka?)
grammatically correct but no one says this
あなた (you) is seen as rude when spoken in conversation, usually it’s only seen in places like forms
a polite way to ask is to omit that because it’s obvious from context that you’re not asking about their cats name and just say
お名前は何ですか？
(namae wa nan desuka?)
or if casual
名前は何?
(namae wa nani?)
or if super casual
名前は？
(namae wa?)
but textbooks (and duolingo) don’t really teach you these nuances, the only way to really learn is to do your own research or do immersion (look at things in japanese)
this kind of thing is why duolingo is portrayed as being bad
proud relic
i learnt how to read cyrillic in like 3 days there
jp will probably take longer because it’s so different from english i think
stone sentinel
yea i mean thats obvious
proud relic
at least to learn the 2 alphabets, kanji will take you years lmfao
stone sentinel
the most important things is to not stop
tall oar
like for example textbook japanese would teach you
あなたのお名前は何ですか？
(anata no nama...
you can also use context and use the same phrase to mean their cat's name
: 3
proud relic
i know that’s why it’s great lol
stone sentinel
@proud relic japanese has these skill levels similiar to what english has(i forgot the name, in here its just A1, A2...C2), what do you think you're now?
proud relic
i thin textbooks teach あなた because they are trying to give you practical phrases which have as close of an english translation as possible which makes it unnatural because japanese is so different from english
proud relic
<@581573474296791211> japanese has these skill levels similiar to what english h...
they’re the JLPT levels
tall oar
i know that’s why it’s great lol
japanese taking the maxim of quantity one step further
proud relic
they range from 5 to 1
and i’m about 4 to 3
where 5 is the lowest and 1 is the highest
5 is about A2 and 1 is about B2
proud relic
japanese taking the maxim of quantity one step further
@stone sentinel keep in mind that jlpt japanese is not the same as conversational japanese in the slightest
someone who passed jlpt n1 probably wouldn’t be able to communicate in conversation unless they also studied conversational japanese in detail
conversely someone who studied only conversational japanese will not be able to pass the n1 i feel like (because of the complex grammar structures)
stone sentinel
i see
tall oar
someone who passed jlpt n1 probably wouldn’t be able to communicate in conversat...
the converse is also true because my ass aint passing jlpt n1 but i can do convos with normal people just fine
proud relic
if your goal is to pass the jlpt exams then you absolutely should learn textbook japanese, if your goal is to communicate with people then you should do what i’m doing which is mostly immersion. both will get you fluent but a different “kind” of fluent
proud relic
the converse is also true because my ass aint passing jlpt n1 but i can do convo...
lmaoooo yea
tall oar
but for normal japanese people there is a possibility due to having also learnt textbook in school
proud relic
oh yeah obviously i meant as a foreign learner
i’ve seen videos on youtube from yuta where he interviews natives on the street and asks them to do jlpt n1 questions and they can do them just fine
proud relic
ok @tall oar ill give textbooks slightly more credit
proud relic
this is みんなの日本語・初級I
glad wharf
<@1001882673251356673>
a mistake i made is not learning the alphabets until a f...
anki decks!!
glad wharf
also do NOT learn the writing of any of the 3 alphabets, that’s another mistake ...
there's some basic kanji stroke order rules that will basically apply to most kanji
it's sometimes helpful to look up kanji you don't know
but generally i think lookup up by radicals is easier
glad wharf
anki is a bit extreme for memorizing 96 symbols
I think it's the easiest way
took me like 3 hours
proud relic
yes but in 3 hours you won’t memorize all of them lol
glad wharf
I did though
just the characters by themselves tho
actually reading them fluently took longer
proud relic
uhhh sure i guess but isn’t that proving the point that anki is too extreme because you don’t even need to do the spaced repetition part to learn them
glad wharf
well wdym how is it not spaced repetition anyways
it's just on a smaller time scale
proud relic
idk i guess
proud relic
@tall oar i learnt a new word today
tall oar
hm
proud relic
-# ひろうこんぱい
疲労困憊
fading gate
@proud relic I'm done translating it :3
stone sentinel
@proud relic can you type with the 12 key keyboard(idk the name) or do you just use qwerty
proud relic
i just use qwerty
stone sentinel
bro how can lvl 6 type like this im lvl 6 and barely know any hiragana
maybe they just discovered this site now
proud relic
thats literally easy xd
even the meaning is simple
seems reasonable for a level 6 i think
is that renshuu?
stone sentinel
yes
stone sentinel
seems reasonable for a level 6 i think
bruh i still have only hiragana and katakana courses available
but i dont spend much time on it per day