🪅-progaming

[supple whale]

6MB is just WASM....

[jade stone]

Love

How big is it with the electron runtime

[supple whale]

well...

0MB

its not bundled with the electron runtime

so your question is kinda.... poorly worded XD

[jade stone]

Well it uses electron doesn't it

[supple whale]

on desktop, sure

my electron code is 6MB, 2MB of which is NAPI aka native code, rest is JS compiled to bytecode, then electron itself is like 270MB?

the browser code is inside chromium's code cache in %appdata%, as i load it from a http endpoint like a website, then cache using service workers

this.mainWindow.loadURL(BASE_URL + this.protocol.navigateTarget()).catch(err => {
  log.error(err)
  if (this.hasDOH) return
  this.setDOH('https://cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query')
  queueMicrotask(() => this.mainWindow.loadURL(BASE_URL + this.protocol.navigateTarget()))
})

is my code for electron loading xd

[lyric latch]

Make it work, no mistakes.

[fallen nebula]

we used to code full games in that

[night sphinx]

4k hd materials pack

[fallen nebula]

me when Nintendo DS game be like 8MiB

[fierce pendant]

i should make a native markdown editor app

[jade stone]

i edited the pnpm lockfile by hand and got no errors and pnpm didnt update it either

[ivory heath]

I’m sure you know but meme like this piss me off cause there is a reason it’s so big

[fallen nebula]

there are no reasons to be so big

genuinely

it could be smaller

[supple whale]

tbf most of it is C/C++ code

the actual JS is so small its unfunny

i could reduce that WASM code by 80% if i didn't have to support non-SIMD CPUs, and iOS

and one of the assets is a 1MB font

its already .woff2, cant compress it much more....

[cedar tulip]

German main was here

how can you tell?

smoke

[cedar tulip]

its actually fun to smoke whole map with 103-0

[fierce pendant]

i should make a programming language

[lyric latch]

parse english

[cedar tulip]

binary is all u need

[fallen nebula]

i need to do one too

[fierce pendant]

true

[unkempt ember]

Why binary ? Just manually flip the CPU's logic gate.

[fallen nebula]

OOF @elder yarrow

donor gets hacked

[jade stone]

LMFAO

thanks rspack

[supple whale]

so not much of a drop in replacement for webpack after all?

[jade stone]

i'm not replcing webpack??

i'm replacing vite

[supple whale]

sir

read what rspack advertises itself as

I hit man with the sir (derogatory)

[jade stone]

i'm not replacing webpack. *?raw isn't a webpack feature

this is something i wrote myself

nothing here is relevant to rspack being a webpack replacement

[patent vortex]

@young flicker

[pearl parrot]

sadan having the shittiest web stack ever made while forgetting vanilla js works

oh and wasm

[jade stone]

yeah but now i get 2.2s production builds

compared to 14s with vite + rolldown

and thats on my desktop

[lucid forge]

i get production builds in 0s

cp -r src/ dist/

[frosty obsidian]

yeah but all the time you save is offset by how long you take to make anything that isn't a theme toggle

[jade stone]

@supple whale rspack transforms import.meta.resolve to return a webpack chunk id so i have to do this

[queen jasper]

is there any proxy or mirror for github that's close to asia or is in asia

my cloning and downloading speed for github is averaging 100kb/s

kilobytes

[dense sand]

why taking so long omg

[ivory heath]

Easily vectorized

[lyric latch]

its using claude to check ykyk

[dense sand]

its apparently downloading the whole 2gb database or something

[lyric latch]

doesnt IDEA have a better checker or something

[dense sand]

idk i just wanted it in CI

[ivory heath]

Should have just used c++

[fierce pendant]

what

[ivory heath]

If you make a language it should be easily vectorizable

[winged mantle]

easy just make the only data type vector

[woven mesa]

omg soda hii

[solid gazelle]

cream sodas

[fleet cedar]

Hello lisp

[royal nymph]

wait holy shit go binaries dont use glibc

i didnt even know

or maybe it does but my flags prevent it

peak

[fleet cedar]

Yeah golang is statically linked

One of the few things they've got going for them

[royal nymph]

go please

[fierce pendant]

go pls

why use go if you can use rust tho

[jade stone]

true

[ivory heath]

Haiii

[ivory heath]

Creamy

[ivory heath]

It’s the default when linking to other go code but itself isn’t inherently static… you can write shared libs with it even

[ivory heath]

If you link to any C library then you will almost certainly link to GLIBC

Static GLIBC is even more cursed

[fierce pendant]

i need to create rust style algebraic enums for typescript

[fierce pendant]

muslove?

[jade stone]

@supple whale least insane bundler trick

[jade stone]

not cursed at all

[fierce pendant]

haskell seems cool

[fierce pendant]

what

[lucid forge]

Rust + Haskell = Huskell ❤️

[ivory heath]

Fine I guess?

Musl is made to be static

GLIBC is intended to be dynamically linked

Else you end up with massive binaries that are not cross platform in some cases

Only time you willingly link any std c/c++ lib is when you compile for windows or want max performance

Cause then you can optimize the binary’s in memory layout/function calls

Bolt can optimize shared objects but it will never be as fast as static

[ivory heath]

Why do any of the scripting languages let you do dynamic imports like that, or lets you limit scope to A function

[jade stone]

what

[ivory heath]

Your import of promises is within a if statement instead of the files scope

Or the translation unit if you wanna be technical

[lucid forge]

why not?

[jade stone]

yeah? it's not available on all platforms, so i can't do it at the top level

[ivory heath]

Several reasons.

1. does that import within a if limit scope of the import to the if or the whole file
2. functions will just randomly be slow if they have to import something not done at launch/hasnt been imported by another function
3. makes tracking depends harder

[jade stone]

this makes no sense, this isn't c, there is no such concept

[jade stone]

all of this makes no sense

[ivory heath]

This is all JS pilled nonsense I don’t get ig.

[jade stone]

import is just a builtin function, it has the same semantics as a regular funciton call

[ivory heath]

I never said otherwise?

[ivory heath]

yeah? it's not available on all platforms
Promises not being cross platform is crazy.

[lucid forge]

1. its literally a variable assignment of course its lexically scoped
2. yeah dont keep re-importing things
3. actually true but doesnt really matter

[jade stone]

2 doesnt make sense

es modules are cached

the same import a second time does nothing

also 3 isn't really true either

import is a reserved keyword in es modules, so you can easily do static analysis on it

[ivory heath]

No. The first call of a function will be wildly slower than the second if it locally imports something that hasn’t been yet. Instead of just doing it as soon as the script starts

[lucid forge]

fs/promises is just a different version of the fs module. a nodejs thing

[ivory heath]

Once it’s cached it’s fine ofc

[ivory heath]

Ah

[ivory heath]

Okay yeah the first one makes sense. I didn’t know if it was just some bodge or not

[ivory heath]

Basically

[jade stone]

how the fuck is this a syntax error

[lucid forge]

just import at top level if it matters

[lucid forge]

no top level await?

[jade stone]

oh yeah, weird error for no top level await

[ivory heath]

I cannot think of a world where top level isn’t preferable besides something like targeting separate platforms.

And I would assume whatever JS transpiler you’re using would have support for a “compile time” post processor for stuff like that

[lucid forge]

if you have a large feature not everyone uses, importing it dynamically is better

[jade stone]

I cannot think of a world where top level isn’t preferable besides something like targeting separate platforms.
it often is when doing web development, you only want to load what's needed to reduce network traffic, so you use a dynamic import to load code when it's needed

[ivory heath]

That makes some sense

I still don’t know why python for example allows it

[pseudo sierra]

cuz it's python and everything is fair game in python

[lucid forge]

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/dlopen.3.html why does C allow this?

[jade stone]

why is this file freezing vscode-neovim

[royal nymph]

import { lazy } from 'react';

const MarkdownPreview = lazy(() => import('./MarkdownPreview.js'));

<Suspense fallback={<Loading />}>
  <h2>Preview</h2>
  <MarkdownPreview />
</Suspense>

[jade stone]

yop

[ivory heath]

Well ofc c does. its a basic feature of any natively ran program. I was specifically asking about scripting languages which almost always assumes you already have the necessary packages.

[lucid forge]

whag

[royal nymph]

circular dependency hell: am I a joke to you

[ivory heath]

What I said isn’t true. I deleted it

[royal nymph]

:JellyCool: https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/2fbe267499205d0854a1d0b7079f39db1d5dbc40/src/components/settings/tabs/patchHelper/PatchPreview.tsx#L14-L17

[pearl stag]

PatchPreview.tsx: Lines 14-17

// Do not include diff in non dev builds (side effects import)
if (IS_DEV) {
    var differ = require("diff") as typeof import("diff");
}

[ivory heath]

You know c has an elegant way to solve that

[royal nymph]

do you mean headers?

i think we have a different idea of "elegant"

[ivory heath]

Jokingly yes

[royal nymph]

[jade stone]

i love vendoring everything when using c

it isn't a pita at all

[royal nymph]

these are all because of circular dependencies

[jade stone]

does esbuild support import defer now

[ivory heath]

That’s why you target windows.

[royal nymph]

wtf is import defer

[lucid forge]

https://bsky.app/profile/c-official.bsky.social/post/3mhkm6rdifk2s

The C Programming Language (@c-official.bsky.social)

The great thing about C is that if your code compiles, it's correct

Likes

231

Bluesky · Mar 21, 2026, 8:24 AM

[royal nymph]

scary https://github.com/tc39/proposal-defer-import-eval

[jade stone]

load code but don't execute

[royal nymph]

seems mid tbh idk

[jade stone]

yeah let me target an os that loves to corrupt my EFI partition

[ivory heath]

Please tell me this is a satire account ran by some edgy kid

[ivory heath]

Never said you had to use windows

[royal nymph]

idk the bio says "Official account of the C Programming Language, invented by Immanuel Kant in 1799 at Bell Labs Königsberg"

seems to be the official account

[ivory heath]

You can never hate JS enough

[jade stone]

You can never hate lua enough

[ivory heath]

Balatro is written in lua

So it gets a pass

So are Factorio mods

[jade stone]

cookie clicker is written in JS

@ivory heath did you know cookie clicker on steam is just an electron app

[ivory heath]

I do know. It’s why it runs like shit

[lucid forge]

how can bro not run cookie clicker

[ivory heath]

It runs but why is it micro stuttering/freezing on a 2k usd computer (mine and 5k with modern ram prices)

And the cpu util is crazy for a png

[royal nymph]

my router website uses lua do u love

they have like index.lua

its insane

bros think its php

[jade stone]

[royal nymph]

love?

sorry.lua

[lucid forge]

FRITZ!Box

[jade stone]

HOW DOES THIS CAUSE AN ASYNC BUILD ERROR

HOW

HOW DOES THAT CAUSE THISs

[lucid forge]

/index.lua?page=0
index error

[royal nymph]

goated router company

[jade stone]

why would they call it that
yeah my router is always on the fritz

[ivory heath]

Cause German

[jade stone]

lc.tr frtiz -from de

[signal oak]

DE

Fritz

[royal nymph]

Fritz is a name

[ivory heath]

Of a German guy cause it’s a German company

[royal nymph]

well its not named after its founder no xD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz!

[ivory heath]

It’s like askjeeves

[jade stone]

moved from vite to rsbuild and now my dev server time is only 5s

compared to like 30s with vite

blazingly buggy and fast 🔥

[lucid forge]

im honestly scared at what made vite take 30s

[jade stone]

[lucid forge]

what the fuck

[jade stone]

dep pre-bundling also takes 3s on a cold build

and vite takes 5s just to show the banner

[winged mantle]

it's not linked on the official C website

[jade stone]

@lucid forge now the fun part will be using it on my laptop because rspack just segfaults for me on windows on arm

[royal nymph]

bro did you really need to check the website to know that "invented by Immanuel Kant in 1799 at Bell Labs Königsberg" is not a real account

[winged mantle]

nah I've been following this account for a while assuming it was a parody but I thought I should jsut tell you in case

I guess I know for sure now...

[lucid forge]

the C programming language is 227 years old

[winged mantle]

oh wait I never really paid attention to that year LMAO

or the fact it said Immanuel Kant rather than Dennis Richie or whatever

[winged mantle]

you know when things just sound natural

C being invented in the 18th century sounds about right

[fallen nebula]

#hotTake AI is just an attempt at ultra compressed database

[jade stone]

why is zod shipping localized errors by default 😭

[pearl parrot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rgull1t-1E1KTW3JUswgpfJ9rX

[fierce pendant]

ever considered that youre the problem, not the bundler?

[jade stone]

They advertise faster dev server time compared to vite lol

[pseudo sierra]

with the bullshit salad keeps pulling it's always his fault but this time yes the new bundler is just faster (it's still slop)

[jade stone]

Might go back to vite tho because hmr is like 10x slower

[dense sand]

this is so horribly stupid like give me schema for the .optional in zod

[lyric latch]

you could call this CX

get it?

because JSX

🤣

[lyric latch]

this kind of search never works 😭

[patent vortex]

@young flicker 😂

[ivory heath]

wtf is this shit

[fallen nebula]

https://fxtwitter.com/OrenMe/status/2052365276763640241

Oren Melamed (@OrenMe)

POV: your org disabled premium IDE agents to “control AI costs”
︀︀so now the entire engineering department is building React apps through PowerPoint Copilot using Office licenses 👀
︀︀
︀︀“Shift left” was misunderstood.
︀︀
︀︀⸻
︀︀
︀︀New stack just dropped:
︀︀
︀︀- PowerPoint as IDE
︀︀- Slides as file system
︀︀- Copilot as senior engineer
︀︀- Export to PDF as deployment pipeline
︀︀
︀︀⸻
︀︀
︀︀When AI costs surge, engineers don’t stop prompting.
︀︀They just start discovering which enterprise licenses still include tokens 😂

**💬 2 🔁 1 ❤️ 7 👁️ 400 **

FxTwitter · May 7, 2026, 12:29 PM

[fierce pendant]

https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-rolldown-1-0 yoo

@jade stone switch back <3

[jade stone]

This means nothing

[fierce pendant]

you should still switch back

[solid gazelle]

it's pointless.

[fallen nebula]

vite use rolldown now

[lyric latch]

rolling down in the deep

[brittle mango]

trus

[fierce pendant]

what is the new modern fancy ui library?

react?

[indigo yew]

react is a framework

bootstrap ig

[unkempt ember]

Material I guess ?

[queen jasper]

qt

[pseudo sierra]

[winged mantle]

rate

[lyric latch]

so many interns

[fierce pendant]

import * as R from "ramda"

const log = R.curryN(4, console.log)

log("he")("llo")("wor")("ld")

why did i immediantly get husked

@royal nymph why

[royal nymph]

because ramda is slop

[fierce pendant]

why

[fierce pendant]

i understand now

[supple whale]

WHAT THE FUCK

[jade stone]

@supple whale
https://justfuckingusereact.com/

read it

[supple whale]

XDDDD

[jade stone]

it's not about react

[supple whale]

XDDDDD

XDDDDDDD

[fallen nebula]

their dark mode toggle is a joke

they don't even use light-dark

[royal nymph]

this site reads a lot like AI

reactslop lover also loving ai, checks out

[fallen nebula]

also some people made funni websites in reaction
https://dagelf.github.io/justreacttoreact/index.html

[winged mantle]

it never works the first time for some reason 😭

[solid gazelle]

loo i thought the same thing halfway through

but genuinely in case ur not ykyk

[fallen nebula]

it's not even hard to do a proper theme selector these days anymore
<view-source:https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/Modern Theming.html >

[fierce pendant]

i fucking love functional programming

[lyric latch]

https://github.com/Kotlin/kotlinx.html

(TSRX without 10000 compiler issues)

[valid jetty]

this blog article sounds ai generated

as a consequence i will not be reading it

[royal nymph]

I said this

it's definitely ai

big ai wants to convince you that react is not slop

[lucid forge]

import kotlinx.html.a
import kotlinx.html.div
import kotlinx.html.p

import every html tag so good

[frosty obsidian]

you can wildcard import

just more work for the compiler iirc

[unkempt ember]

Why note just : import * from * no more import related issues.

[frosty obsidian]

hes an astro guy

[royal nymph]

React is fine but react devs love writing slop and most react frameworks (e.g. Next) are giga slop

[fierce pendant]

is there something like this for vlang

[ornate quiver]

hop off vlang

[fierce pendant]

why

[pseudo sierra]

it's insane

in all the wrong ways

[fierce pendant]

why

[fierce pendant]

https://fixupx.com/wesbos/status/2052934976170037558?s=20 either peak or verclop

Wes Bos (@wesbos)

Electron / Tauri but in zig 👀

Citându-l pe Chris Tate (@ctatedev)
︀
Introducing zero-native
︀︀
︀︀Build native desktop + mobile apps with web UI and Zig
︀︀
︀︀→ Tiny binaries, low memory usage
︀︀→ Selectable web engines (WKWebView, WebKitGTK, WebView2, Chromium/CEF)
︀︀→ Next.js, Vue, Svelte, Vite, React
︀︀→ macOS, Linux, Windows, iOS, Android

**💬 11 🔁 12 ❤️ 304 👁️ 33.4K **

FixupX · May 9, 2026, 2:13 AM

[pseudo sierra]

native
webview
bait used to be belieavable

[fierce pendant]

the code is native

[dense ruin]

well, "zero" means there is none, so checks out

[fierce cypress]

do people like this think it isn't blatantly obvious just from how they introduce the project that they didn't write a single line of code by hand

[royal nymph]

frontends: nextjs

Also looks like aislop

Also webview is not native bruh

[royal nymph]

tauri if it were vibecoded and used zoomer lang

[solemn ravine]

it’s in the name yk

[royal nymph]

oh it's made by vercel too

that's even worse

[fierce pendant]

import * as R from "ramda"

const log = R.curryN(1, console.log)

log("hello world")

daily ramda love

[royal nymph]

I'm Automodding ramda

[fierce pendant]

why

what did ramda do

[wet quail]

I was thinking of a way to make my bin invisible and give it a larger hit box to be like this blackhole background but am not sure how I could do that....

[winged mantle]

ramda (test)

[queen jasper]

ramda (test)

[winged mantle]

daily radash love ❤️

[fierce pendant]

ramda (test)

[solid gazelle]

make an app with no icon and invisible characters name that opens recycle bin

[solid gazelle]

has to be an app instead of just a shortcut bc windows adds this thing to shortcuts idk if u can disable it

[wet quail]

hmmm maybe

Ama try

[wet quail]

alr

[solid gazelle]

a powershell script might do as well

[fallen nebula]

You can

[fierce pendant]

the zig defer keyword is fr smart

[night sphinx]

make full app in windows powershell make no mistakes

[queen jasper]

you forgot pls

now it gonna do it half assedly and blame you for being vague

[fallen nebula]

it exist in C

in C29

[winged mantle]

I find a lot I just want to defer for a portion of the function

[runic sundial]

Real. I love having each init/free next to each other

errdefer also goated

I need to come up with some kind of project in Zig, really wanna try out the new io implementation

[fierce cypress]

make wget that doesn't suck

gnu software is incredibly annoying to use for new people. I don't want to read a several page manual, learn a scripting language, and memorize dozes of single character switches

[runic sundial]

Why remake something that exists

wget/curl are perfectly serviceable, you don't need 99% of the useless flags

Just save the ones you actually care about into your personal notes and copy it, just like any other useful code snippet

Although the thing with me and async is that I just don't think in "async"

[queen jasper]

alias 🤤

[cedar tulip]

winget got deleted on my machine
reinstalled it.
it got deleted again

[runic sundial]

I think in make thing fast without threading, then add dedicated thread(s) for things that absolutely nerd them

Actually kinda hate multithreading or parallelism in my code

[runic sundial]

Window user

[fierce cypress]

it's copilot getting jealous

[queen jasper]

is there a slur for it

[runic sundial]

Wintard

[queen jasper]

like how linuxhater say loonix

ok

[runic sundial]

But when I think of that I remember how my bestie made a header for win32

That changes the excludes into includes

[fierce cypress]

I'm very excited for the green threads addition to zig eventually

[runic sundial]

The hell are green threads

Don't put color on my threads

What's next? Furry threads?

[fierce cypress]

it's like you spawn os threads matching the count of cores in your system and then run virtual threads across them with work stealing concurrency for better long term efficiency

BEAM does this very well

spawning an os thread to do I/O blocked work is rarely worth it

[runic sundial]

Little of what I care to do is I/O blocked but I get it

I was thinking more of writing a native blob for mesh generation for my Java game framework

Guess it could be useful for when I do asset management properly

[fierce cypress]

jvm does have decent green threads from what I've heard

[fierce pendant]

WHEN DID C2Y GET RENAMED TO C29

[fierce cypress]

I've never heard c2y

[fallen nebula]

it's not yet renamed it's still C2Y for the compiler flag

[fierce pendant]

oh

[fallen nebula]

but it's gonna be C29 once stable

[fierce pendant]

so we have to wait till 2029?

[winged mantle]

tree walk interpreter or chip8 emulator maybe

i guess not that io heavy..

[fierce pendant]

main.v:

module main

fn main() {
    println(h1("Hello World"))
}

stuff.v:

module main

fn h1(children ...string) string { return "<h1>${children.join("")}</h1>"} 

output is 8265 lines, last line:

// THE END.

this language is peak 🥹

[supple whale]

@jade stone

imn a rfucking idiot

moron

like holy

this is what AI does to ur brain

await Promise.all([...this.pool].map(nntp => nntp.quit().catch(() => {})))

how did i not see this...

like....

[jade stone]

dw ik

[supple whale]

ily too

[fallen nebula]

i mean you can already use C2Y

[fallen nebula]

https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-15/changes.html#:~:text=Some new,gnu2y.
https://clang.llvm.org/c_status.html#c2y:~:text=You,later).

[jade stone]

https://tldr.sh/

[fierce cypress]

oh my fucking god this is huge

thank you hussein

[fierce cypress]

you were the kotlin person I think?

[fierce cypress]

https://gitlab.com/gnuwget/wget2

not really a rewrite but

[jade stone]

What

[fierce cypress]

the person in vencord who writes kotlin a lot

either you or nin0

elite vencordians SHOCKED when whitename speaks perfect regular-oomf

[frosty obsidian]

theres multiple kotlin people

im one of them

[winged mantle]

zt

palm

[fierce cypress]

oh yeah no i mixed you up somehow

woops

[pearl parrot]

im a swiftie i don't do kotlin

[fierce cypress]

i have brain damage

[jade stone]

so does @pearl parrot

[fierce cypress]

where is summertime hatchback

[queen jasper]

anyone got a flatter character for hiding url?

i have this
\u115f ᅟ

it hide the url well but it kinda fat i want one that is as thin as nothing

i use it mainly to embed video more than 10mb without showing the carbox or sm link

i tried some 0 width space stuff but the it just show the link in plaintext

️

[night sphinx]

https://unicode-explorer.com/c/FE0F would this work?

it gets merged with the [ too its weird lol

[fierce pendant]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen jasper]

holly sh*t

it worked

i can't even clcik the link if i try

thank u hugefish

[fierce pendant]

i love build.zig

[fierce cypress]

zig object notation

[fierce pendant]

zon

[lyric latch]

i love build.gradle.kts

[dense sand]

friendship ended with Groovy DSL, Kotler DSL is now my best friend

[winged mantle]

build.zig.zon

[worldly sigil]

.flakerc.json.zig

[fallen nebula]

i'm sorry to inflict you guys this pain

[fierce cypress]

jetpack compose or swift

[fallen nebula]

jetpack compose and not mine

[lyric latch]

whoops teehee

[jade stone]

is that react native

[lyric latch]

nop

web

i actually need a DialogProvider so bad

but too lazy

@jade stone you like this code?

[lyric latch]

this used to be more nested until i extracted it into its own component

[jade stone]

is this solid?

[lyric latch]

the suspense and groupName() signal, yes

others are my own string system and utilities

[jade stone]

evil solid dev: what if we didn't make every property require a function call

[lyric latch]

that'd be svelte

[jade stone]

[lyric latch]

but as we all know, svelte is evil

[lyric latch]

nop, react no autoreactivity

[fierce pendant]

@supple whale

[supple whale]

dont care

monkeys are auto-ignored

[fierce pendant]

dam

[lyric latch]

im assuming this is replying to an image with me blocked

iirc we had an argument about how svelte's reactivity is blackboxed and hidden to you as the consumer which makes it more complex

[winged mantle]

whgar

[lyric latch]

autoreactivity is such a footgun sometimes, super hard to debug what's going on because the compiler is doing the work for you, i like that solid v2 is making everything more explicit

i'll probably never use svelte because of some of its weird design choices
runes was an ok change but its still meh

[fierce pendant]

are you both 12?
thats such a stupid argument

[frosty obsidian]

guh separate out components

[lyric latch]

i just blocked after i get harassed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce pendant]

damn

[lyric latch]

its slowly growing...

[fierce pendant]

this couldve been a markdown file

[lucid forge]

this could have been a 5000 line html file

[fallen nebula]

Not mine

[fallen nebula]

https://nesbitt.io/2026/02/03/incident-report-cve-2024-yikes.html
Wtf

Summary

A compromised dependency in the JavaScript ecosystem led to credential theft, which enabled a supply chain attack on a Rust compression library, which was vendored into a Python build tool, which shipped malware to approximately 4 million developers before being inadvertently patched by an unrelated cryptocurrency mining worm.

[fleet cedar]

Hilarious

[inland palm]

domino effect

[fleet cedar]

||In case you didn't notice, it's satire||

[astral sand]

grows MANUALLY

[lyric latch]

go back to your CS match bro

https://tenor.com/view/cs2-csgo-premier-elo-rank-gif-3897451146292878124

[astral sand]

why

[queen jasper]

roblus

[fierce pendant]

const std = @import("std");

export fn hello() void {
    std.debug.print("Hello, {s}!\n", .{"world"});
}

package main

/*
extern void hello();
*/
import "C"

func main() {
    C.hello()
}

nothing stopping me from doing this :evil:

[winged mantle]

using zig from go does have the advantage of being able to access zig's rich ecosystem

oh... wait a second

[fierce pendant]

rich as in working at anthropic or something

wait nvm

bun is getting rewritten in rust

[fierce pendant]

is this fucking reverse indentation

[lyric latch]

😭

[fierce pendant]

this is from the original 1995 javascript source code btw

[queen jasper]

mrbeast?

[fierce pendant]

mr beasg

[winged mantle]

maybe mixing spaces and tabs

sometimes i do that by accident and it looks totally broken with a different tab width

[fallen nebula]

Lmao
https://youtu.be/DgfiqGPmGWY

[winged mantle]

[runic sundial]

https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/31120

[fierce pendant]

@pearl parrot remake your website in c with raygui

[dense sand]

broo i did 3 prompts

[solid gazelle]

you did 3 more prompts than you should've

[fierce cypress]

isn't cgo like awful

[fierce cypress]

wait source?
is it because LLMs suck at zig?

[winged mantle]

if you think about it it's great advertisement for claude

[fierce cypress]

their blog post said bun wouldn't change :(

[ivory heath]

you incur a small amount of overhead that's near constant per c call from go as go has to create a new stack for C.
Go does not use real threads and uses only green/virtual threads as well as virtual stacks. Only growing them as required.
If c tries to write to memory larger than the stack go allocated for itself within a call, it can end up overwriting memory of other goroutines stacks.

this defaults to 32KB

if you dont make often c calls (like less than 1 million times a second) the overhead is negligible. You can also tell go to basically ignore this using nasty tricks

[fierce cypress]

I hate the jank you need to deal with to optimize go

[ivory heath]

this isn't unique to go. rust has identical issues when using stuff like tokio

[fierce cypress]

async rust is a nightmare and I don't want to think about it

[ivory heath]

and .net (c#).. c++ itself...

[fierce cypress]

async in systems programming is an unsolved issue

[ivory heath]

go "solves" at least function coloring

[fierce cypress]

yeah definitely

[ivory heath]

and this isnt a go issue nor is it rust. its using c as the universal ABI

[fierce cypress]

erlang and elixir still do it better though

[fierce cypress]

solution: add async to c29

this would solve everything

[ivory heath]

why is this in c29.

[fierce cypress]

golang has this

idk it's a a somewhat common pattern to do like

if (!function_with_side_effects_that_returns_err()) {
  // handle error
}

[ivory heath]

I thought if was for, im having a stroke

[fierce cypress]

drop it..

[ivory heath]

?

[fierce cypress]

I will not be typed at with one hand

[ivory heath]

.....

[ivory heath]

yeah something like this

if err := funcall(); err != nil {
    return err
}

[fierce cypress]

yeah

[lucid forge]

https://tanstack.com/blog/npm-supply-chain-compromise-postmortem

lol

[fallen nebula]

Me when people don't read the docs 🤣

Workflows will not run on pull_request activity if the pull request has a merge conflict. The merge conflict must be resolved first. Conversely, workflows with the pull_request_target event will run even if the pull request has a merge conflict. Before using the pull_request_target trigger, you should be aware of the security risks. For more information, see pull_request_target.

Running untrusted code on the pull_request_target trigger may lead to security vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities include cache poisoning and granting unintended access to write privileges or secrets. For more information, see Secure use reference in the GitHub Enterprise Cloud documentation, and Preventing pwn requests on the GitHub Security Lab website.

[fallen nebula]

JEP go brrr

They should rename it to __SECRET_INTERNALS_DO_NOT_USE_OR_YOU_WILL_BE_FIRED_pull_request_target

[fierce pendant]

nah its to reduce segfaults

[lucid forge]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226

Jarred

I work on Bun and this is my branchThis whole thread is an overreaction. 302 comments about code that does not work. We haven’t committed to rewriting. There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely.I’m curious to see what a working version of this looks, what it feels like, how it performs and if/how hard it’d be to...

Hacker News · May 5, 2026, 7:36 AM

https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/2053808438644445230

Jarred Sumner (@jarredsumner)

Bun v1.3.14 releases tomorrow.

If we do merge the Rust rewrite, this would be the last version in Zig

X · May 11, 2026, 12:04 PM

what is bro smoking

[queen jasper]

ascii with edging hyprland shader
the "ascii" is just bitmap sadge

[fierce cypress]

huh I never had one when I used bun

that was all before the anslopic acquisition though

[fierce cypress]

who deleted their message

I saw you

[lyric latch]

mr beast

[dense sand]

https://github.com/TanStack/router/security/advisories/GHSA-g7cv-rxg3-hmpx

uh oh

oh it was just posted up here

[dense sand]

why???

why are they rewriting it???

[fierce cypress]

^

[fallen nebula]

repost smh
#🪅-progaming message

[fallen nebula]

i'm not even 24 and i think i have carpal tunnel on my left hand :pain: 😭

[ionic lake]

My theory for the bun rust rewrite is that, now that all the contributor copyrights are gone with it, so they can relicense

[fleet cedar]

I don't think that's how copyright works?

[dense sand]

can you elaborate that

put me into context

[fleet cedar]

If I translate a book to spanish, the original copyright still applies

[winged mantle]

seems to be how people think copyright works

[ionic lake]

I am not a lawyer but fair enough, I don't think that holds for code though

[winged mantle]

i think there have been a number of efforts to rewrite things using AI to avoid licensing

just realised I have bun starred

😭

[ionic lake]

jarred started a branch on the repo with some claude code swarms idk to "test" how a rustified codebase would look like for bun, everyone started wondering what and then he says we are all having an overreaction, fastforward 2 days and claude has started to pass 98% something tests for linux x86 glibc and wants to go forward with it, saying zig is cool but he wants it more like rust with a borrow checker and all that

then there was some whiny baby drama before all this, https://fixupx.com/bunjavascript/status/2048428104893542781 where they added some sloppy compilation on their old ass zig fork (like 2 versions behind, the latest zig already uses their own selfhosted compiler backend for dev by default and incremental compilation is a flag), boiling the frog and now all this, leading people to well, rightfully believe many things like zig hates ai and anthropic doesn't like ai haters!!! blah blah blah

Bun (@bunjavascript)

↩ (@bunjavascript)
We do not currently plan to upstream this, as Zig has a strict ban on LLM-authored contributions.

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FixupX · Apr 26, 2026, 3:44 PM

[fallen nebula]

It's just zig didn't want AI

[fallen nebula]

Well technically if contributions under the original license aren't used then it can be relicensed

[fallen nebula]

If you translate it yes
If you rewrite it in another language and don't follow the exact same pattern, it's more complex

[ionic lake]

I don't buy it but well then

Their zig fork version is 2 versions behind and with many breaking changes probably

[lyric latch]

rust has more language features to prevent the oopsies that would happen in zig

though the port right now is literally 1-to-1

it's the same exact logic, so there's like 13k unsafes

[lyric latch]

i think it's kinda weird that zig doesn't accept any LLM-assisted contributions at all

maybe that's changed since i last viewed

[ionic lake]

strictly no llms from what I've seen but if anything, there's definitely code slipping through the cracks but they of course know what theyre doing sooo shrug

[fierce cypress]

how so? it aligns with their idea of making the best thing possible and sacrificing velocity and investor interest or whatever for quality

[lyric latch]

i like linux's stance a lot more, being you attribute you used LLMs

if it's obvious slop, you can deny the PR of course

[fierce cypress]

i don't really feel like there's a decent middle ground for LLM usage? either you don't review it and it's slop or you review everything but you might as well just do it yourself at that point

[lyric latch]

yeah but realistically the language would never grow, think a good ol' farm vs farming corporation with thousands of machines

[royal nymph]

that's not weird

if you can tell the code is written by ai then it's slop and should be rejected

if you can't tell it's ai then there's no problem

[lyric latch]

i said assisted, not fully AI

[fierce cypress]

grow how? they don't have to be sustainable like farming, they can just slowly mature their codebase over time

[lyric latch]

they're strictly no-AI, of course, some commits may slip through, but that's besides the point

[fierce cypress]

they have zero shareholders to please and competing short-term is mostly irrelevant for programming languages

[lyric latch]

grow as in community

zig hasn't even reached stable yet, and there's a lot of breaking changes from time-to-time

the less adoption, the smaller the community, and smaller community -> less contributions

people lose interest over time, that's just how open source is

if you can't grow your community, there'll be less contributors over time

[fierce cypress]

i don't think people who let LLMs write code for significant projects are valuable to the zig community

[ionic lake]

depends if you can moderate yourself but fair enough

[lyric latch]

LLMs are a tool, you use it right, it benefits, you use it wrong, shoot yourself in the foot

[patent vortex]

I guess I’m doing my vencord contributions properly then

[lyric latch]

ah did you use claude max 20x?

[ionic lake]

I see the no-llm policy as just some blanket policy to point at if some slopper decides to think about slopping but otherwise most contributors should know what they are doing

[patent vortex]

yeah

[fierce cypress]

i think learning LLMs is a waste of time since they are inherently non deterministic and (at least as of right now) require you to use expensive products by large corporations to get decent results

unless you can afford a mac studio cluster or whatever

[lyric latch]

that's what people said before the internet went big, i'm not saying ai would go big (companies are literally in debt for it :P), but being to use tools at your disposal is a great skill

[ionic lake]

you don't need to buy a mac studio cluster, you can just, buy cloud compute as well and run local models, their output qualities may vary, but if that's all youre ok with then you should be ok

[lyric latch]

i'll continue using LLMs as long as they are provided for free

[fierce cypress]

i use them for researching highly specific things that search engines are just inferior at but from my experience with google's current models, they are still morons at complex problem solving

[ionic lake]

there's the people just write a prompt and slop it up and then hit the green merge because it passed ci and looked ok in the eyes, but didn't test it out at all, just dont be them basically

[fierce cypress]

if i need to write a detailed implementation plan i'd rather do it myself because i enjoy it

[lyric latch]

gemini is insanely retarded on web/app, i have no idea why

[fierce cypress]

gemini cli hits limits often before finishing one prompt for me lol

i mostly use it through ai studio

[lyric latch]

i just use 3 flash with thinking and prompt it very specifically, works 80% of the time

[ionic lake]

because gemini cli is dogshit and their apis are dogshit even on vertex enterprise

models are subpar for coding

[lyric latch]

my average prompt is like 1kb

then i polish the results

[patent vortex]

dm veisyla for ai help she's our local expert

[fierce cypress]

my entire reason for getting into software is because i was interested in computer and it like let me speak to them in a fully deterministic and logical way and then see the results of my work in ways i could use every day. it's also accessible to anyone with a computer who can read and use a keyboard

[fierce cypress]

yeah i only tried it twice before just deciding to resort to copy paste into web ui for the things i couldn't easily do myself

[lyric latch]

i'm lucky i enjoy the process more than the results

i love architecture design

[fierce cypress]

idk i like both

LLMs take away from the process for me

[uneven gate]

I feel like banning all use of ai should cause a growth in community

[fierce cypress]

in a way yeah, it's currently the only software project with significance guaranteed to be a safe haven from slop

[lyric latch]

yeah, it'll kill off the sloppers, but banning ALL AI assistance means slower development, and slower development = yadee-yada

i'm speaking strictly

[fierce cypress]

slower development is irrelevant to them

[lyric latch]

i know zig is probably loose about AI assistance; as long as it doesn't look like AI generated code

[lyric latch]

that's how a project dies if i'm being honest

users want results
maintainers want users

[fierce cypress]

they have enough users and maintainers who are very opposed to ai to be sustainable as-is

[lyric latch]

that's good

[fierce cypress]

i lost interest in javascript because they were so willing to transition to ai stuff

definitely a minority opinion there though

[ionic lake]

????

we should draw the line between acceptable ai usage and what is just, "claude add this feature make no mistakes" type shittt, and i think some ai assistance is OK

[fierce cypress]

i do not

[ionic lake]

seperate message

I shouldve sent that one first

[lyric latch]

@ionic lake run my life, make no mistakes

[fierce cypress]

if any of the code is directly written by ai, i will be hesitant to use the thing at all

[lyric latch]

do you have the same stance for living items, such as food

eg. if it's from a corporation, i'm not buying it

[royal nymph]

what does this mean

only bun is aislop

[fierce cypress]

a lot of the ecosystem is fine with ai code

[fierce cypress]

depends on how good alternatives are

[royal nymph]

that same part of the ecosystem has always been gigaslop

[fierce cypress]

i'm definitely more hesitant though

[royal nymph]

even before ai

[lyric latch]

vencord gigaslop yk

[ionic lake]

I agree 100 percent but does it still hold in practice

[fierce cypress]

js didn't seem to have much else going for it idk

[uneven gate]

bun was a great js thing by people who treated it as a systems programming problem. that made me love it. I dont like it becoming gigaslop because it was bought by anthropic

[uneven gate]

thats equicord

[fierce cypress]

i guess my only exception i'm aware of right now is using pnpm to build my equicord dev instance after an update?

[ionic lake]

sorry but js has a LOT going for it and just blanket hating the entire lang is crazy to me

[lyric latch]

it's too late, i've already moved to kotlin

all my web apps will be jetpack compose wasm

[fierce cypress]

i don't hate javascript, i actively like it. i just don't know when it'd be nicer to use it than something else and like not needing dependencies for it to be tolerable

[ionic lake]

i dont get it

[uneven gate]

I pay like 3x as much for food that has reasonable ingredient lists instead of corn syrup, but I dont hesitate to buy stuff like coffee grounds from amazon when I know it wont make a difference to my health

[lyric latch]

yeah, i agree with that

[fierce cypress]

pnpm is the only exception i made to software where ai has significant presence

[glacial walrus]

i exclusively use vibe coded apps

[fierce cypress]

is this a way to call my opinion stupid or am i reading into nothing

[royal nymph]

are u calling pnpm ai or equicord

[fierce cypress]

pnpm

[lyric latch]

@tired vigil lurk

[glacial walrus]

?

[uneven gate]

I have a suspicion one of my favorite apps might be vibe coded but I dont have the heart to check the degree to which it was so I dont have to stop using it

[tired vigil]

hiii

[fierce cypress]

they have agents.md and claude.md file in repo

[tired vigil]

I love the weekly vencord ai slop discourse

[glacial walrus]

are we larping tech now

[ionic lake]

latest node has so many things builtin, ecosystem is great, you shouldn't need deps anymore and then there's tons of new deps being built that are much leaner and better https://e18e.dev/learn/resources.html

[fierce cypress]

i didn't participate last time so it's a little different

as everyone knows, i am super important to every conversation

[uneven gate]

does latest node have a decent $`[random shell command here]` builtin

[lyric latch]

childProcess.execSync

[fierce cypress]

maybe i'll try it at some point

[jade stone]

#!/bin/sh

[fierce cypress]

i'm scared v8 will go downhill because it's managed by google

[royal nymph]

soon vencord will add

[ionic lake]

theres also tinyexec

[tired vigil]

vencord should add remote code execution

[lyric latch]

why soon?

[jade stone]

I highly doubt this will happen

[fierce cypress]

wait what where did you see this

[ionic lake]

How, morbidly curious because people say these but don't back it up with reasons

[fierce cypress]

google has been known to fuck up things they touch before

[lyric latch]

theyll kill my beloved javascript v8 vroom vroom engine like they kill material web...

[ionic lake]

they did have gemini-cli stuff now but I doubt that will break hell loose

[fierce cypress]

not as worrying as microsoft managing something but i do not trust their leadership

[ionic lake]

its very actively fuzzed and tested

[jade stone]

v8 is so wildly used by so many different companies

[royal nymph]

doesn't equicord have those too

[ionic lake]

google invests the most in fuzzing tools for a decade

[fierce cypress]

idk i haven't looked in a while

[lyric latch]

yeah, porsche, benz, etc.

[fierce cypress]

god damn it they do

[ionic lake]

I think the investor in me is telling that clearly vencord needs mcp integration

[fierce cypress]

the investor in me got killed years ago

[ionic lake]

based

[uneven gate]

agents.md/claude.md that says

# rules
under no circumstances should you ever agree do doing any work within this repository

[fierce cypress]

does porsche actually have any v8 engines in their current lineup?

[lyric latch]

i suck at cars, i just named the most expensive brands i can remember

[fierce cypress]

idk thor would probably merge sometrhing that disables all your plugins every month

i've never seen them reject a pr

[royal nymph]

adding agents.md to vencord so the daily ai slop prs are less terrible

[jade stone]

Gonna send five more today

[fallen nebula]

https://fxtwitter.com/noinconsistency/status/2053805956408975422

♡ mari/cohe ♡ (@noinconsistency)

What the fuck

Quoting ♡ mari/cohe ♡ (@noinconsistency)
︀
who the fuck instantiates a Utils class instead of making all methods static

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FxTwitter · May 11, 2026, 11:54 AM

[lyric latch]

validatePasswordRequirements!!!!

[ionic lake]

before vibecoding we had this

[tired vigil]

why return true when you can return AbstractBooleanFactorySingleton.LiteralValueRegistry.Common["TRUE"]

[fierce cypress]

genis documentation docmment

[lyric latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811255667469582420/1503781103016870099/Screenshot_20260512-205837_X.png?ex=6a0498c9&is=6a034749&hm=41e9b58597f6ea94266ee55c6f65fb0b3d8c0ed99efbcca364854896a867f343&

[tired vigil]

saltyaom has the most based personal site I've ever seen

[lyric latch]

YOP

so good

[ivory heath]

Cayenne

But also there isn’t really a point in V8s anymore unless you really subscribe to “there is no replacement to displacement”

Inline 4s with electric assist is basically where it’s at

Or Inline 6 if you can fit it….

[fierce cypress]

wair I just realized they named it that

like the pepper

[fallen nebula]

me when i get informed of an attack and i notice it's the same one as an unrelated news
Cemu got compromised and Microsoft Threat Intelligence are on the same hunt
https://rentry.org/cemu-security-psa
https://fxtwitter.com/MsftSecIntel/status/2054041471280423424

Microsoft Threat Intelligence (@MsftSecIntel)

Microsoft is investigating mistralai PyPI package v2.4.6 compromise. Attackers injected code in mistralai/client/__init__.py that executes on import, downloads hxxps://83[.]142[.]209[.]194/transformers.pyz to /tmp/transformers.pyz, and launches a second-stage payload on Linux. The file name transformers.pyz appears deliberately chosen to mimic the widely used Hugging Face Transformers library and blend into ML/dev environments.
︀︀
︀︀The main payload is a credential stealer, but it also includes country-aware logic; it avoids Russian-language environments and contains a geo fenced destructive branch that has 1-in-6 chance of executing rm -rf / when the system appears to be in Israel or Iran.
︀︀
︀︀To mitigate this threat: isolate affected Linux hosts, block 83[.]142[.]209[.]194, hunt for /tmp/transformers.pyz, pgmonitor[.]py, and pgsql-monitor.service, and rotate exposed credentials.

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FxTwitter · May 12, 2026, 3:30 AM

[queen jasper]

russian this russian that

[solid gazelle]

making my malware blatantly not affect russian devices with a client side check on purpose so people don't figure out spanish person made it

[ornate quiver]

fresware

[fierce cypress]

ok so just run it with MINSTRAL_INIT=1 right

[lucid forge]

russial malware checking for russian locale is always so funny

[fierce cypress]

If the malware determines that your location is Israel (it does this via locale and timezone checks) then it has a 1:6 chance that it will play a loud siren sound and run rm -rf /, essentially attempting to wipe your filesystem.

this is really funny actually

[night sphinx]

https://fxtwitter.com/akramcodez/status/2054099010571645430

Sk Akram (@akramcodez)

Use whatever brace style you prefer.
︀︀
︀︀But not this.
︀︀
︀︀Don't do this.
︀︀
︀︀Seek help instead of this.

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FxTwitter · May 12, 2026, 7:19 AM

[lyric latch]

pythonava

[mystic talon]

Is this gaming or program ing

[opal vessel]

its projamming

[mystic talon]

no pro pooping?

[dense sand]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DYLpDFAINkg/?igsh=MWQ4aW4zdzA3MHkyMQ==

why even though claude models have 1M context window, the claude code can only hold 200K?

[frosty obsidian]

my brain holds infinity

[queen jasper]

really proud of the edging

[twin matrix]

what the fuck

i use mistral vibe

i dont see transformers.pyz, should be okay i guess?

[ionic lake]

yes

[pearl parrot]

it's not better than an AI model trained on every single piece of code ever written

[fierce cypress]

I think a brain with infinite memory would be better because it can also learn new things

[night sphinx]

ai has forgotten more than you can remember #true

[fierce cypress]

I'd trust my grandparents to remember something more than current ai using their context windows

[lyric latch]

thats because i dont remember anything

[pearl dawn]

the more you shove into a models context window the worse they perform

[lyric latch]

bignutty has experience because he loves shoving large things into

nvm

[pearl dawn]

:concerned:

[fierce pendant]

this is the real jython not that fake one

[fallen nebula]

Bruh wtf is that Jetbrains

[fallen nebula]

guys new Linux LPE just dropped
https://github.com/v12-security/pocs/tree/main/fragnesia
https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/d8cdf3ad-2874-4a92-9a2e-46ae6e9a6761

[royal nymph]

does this mean im safe

[fallen nebula]

i think if you have the mitigation for dirtyfrag you're safe if i understood correctly
but the patch is dfferent

[royal nymph]

did u even read the article

[signal wadi]

totally didnt brick it 5 times before getting it to work but uhh

pixel os on redmi 9 🥺🔥🔥

[pseudo sierra]

wtf

[fierce cypress]

why is your linjx user named vee lol

[fierce cypress]

is pixel experience still a thing or? I last used it on android 13

[signal wadi]

this is android 13 but yeah

it still exists

[signal wadi]

last version to support l..... god damn it whats the codename for the redmi 9 again

lancelot

[fierce cypress]

hotdogb

I miss that being the name of my phone... "blazer" sucks

[fierce cypress]

I think I'm bad at reading

[royal nymph]

what kind of question is that

should i have named it poopfart72

[fierce cypress]

like are you a huge fan or something

[royal nymph]

hä??

[fierce cypress]

idk ricardo probably

[royal nymph]

fan of whom

[fierce cypress]

vee?

[royal nymph]

häh

[fierce cypress]

wait oh

I forgot your profile changes that much sometiimes

I'm getting banned now

[pseudo sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-huh-confused-meme-gif-3282660700962977407

[fierce cypress]

pls don't laugh at me

[fierce pendant]

good bye

[fierce cypress]

byeee

[fierce cypress]

nobody significant I guess, I joined a few days ago

[opal vessel]

why have nearly all messages ive seen from you seemed so parasocial

[fierce cypress]

I've been terminally active though for some reason, usually I lost interest by now

[fierce cypress]

do I seem attached to everyone I talk to?

[opal vessel]

from what ive observed yes

[fierce cypress]

hm

idk I thought I talked here like everyone else but just more frequently

oh this is programming

were you like watching me the whole time??

[solid gazelle]

keep being yourself

[fierce cypress]

oh ok thank you

[supple whale]

oh god instaban

[fierce cypress]

images didn't eevn load before they were banned

[royal nymph]

scammer?

venapp handles those

[fierce cypress]

4 images with no caption

[solid gazelle]

Dealt with.

[late scroll]

GUYS! RATE! custom discord tauri app of course cutest discord mod added!

[fierce cypress]

but why

is this not just vesktop

also are you on a 720p monitor?

[late scroll]

nah imma do like tweaks

its mainly a project for fun

[late scroll]

im sure its not 720p its 1080p/1440p

1440p

[fierce cypress]

your text looks very pixelated (the one in discord, i know your vs code font just looks like that)

[late scroll]

nah its like some performance windows settings

[fierce cypress]

what tweaks could you be doing that warrants a full tauri thing instead of writing native userplugins

[late scroll]

idk but i prefer it that wayt and also im trying to make discord use not more than 250mb of ram

[fierce cypress]

please for the love of god turn them back on, the difference is miniscule on any system from within the last 5 years. your text looks like ass

[late scroll]

got used tbh but yeah if it helps your eyes imma turn it back on

but if i rember where

[fierce cypress]

sysdm.cpl in win+r

[late scroll]

nah it was i think

[fierce cypress]

yeah but that's how you get there

[late scroll]

i typed SystemPropertiesPerformance.exe

[fierce cypress]

that works too i guess

[late scroll]

better?

[fierce cypress]

very

you should try a squint test

[late scroll]

i dont see the diffrence tbh

squint test?

give a link pls

[fierce cypress]

sorry wrong word uh

turn it on and off and get real close to your monitor

or just zoom in on the screenshots you took

[late scroll]

still i dont see the diffrence..

[fierce cypress]

i'd screenshot it but my screenshotter is broken or something rn

[late scroll]

oh

[fierce cypress]

also wait how did you post an image

[late scroll]

wdym

[fierce cypress]

do you have image perms by default in this channel?

[late scroll]

idk

also why is discord banning for nothing

i got banned for fck child safety

LIKE WDYM CHILD SAFETY

I DIDNT DO ANYTHING

[fierce cypress]

ai probably

[late scroll]

prob

[patent vortex]

yes

[signal wadi]

harmonyos on redmi 9 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[fierce cypress]

didn't you just install pixel experience 13

real quote from emacs lisp manual:

You, the person reading this manual, are thought of as the programmer and are addressed as “you”.

sometimes I wonder if the person writing manuals for gnu software is just trolling

[signal wadi]

yes

and in between harmonyos and pixelos i also installed coloros 15

also im very very thankful to the 4pda developers

[fierce cypress]

do you just enjoy the process of running the fastboot commands and seeing the things happen on the phone screen

[signal wadi]

yes

[fierce cypress]

fair

[signal wadi]

ive also bricked it like

3 times already

[fierce cypress]

I thought bricked means unrecoverable

[patent vortex]

emacs mentioned https://9p.io/magic/man2html/1/emacs

[signal wadi]

hardbrick

this is softbrick

[fierce cypress]

wait what

[patent vortex]

actual plan9 man page for emacs

[fierce cypress]

oh that's what 9p means

is the joke that all the necessary information is stored inside emacs

[patent vortex]

no it’s that emacs is shit

Bugs

Yes.

[fierce cypress]

what would you use insteaf

[signal wadi]

what should I flash next

[fierce cypress]

try making an older version of android than the phone shipped with run

[signal wadi]

holdon

wait

ubuntu touch

[fierce cypress]

I've never even heard of sam

[fierce cypress]

or the kde one

[signal wadi]

yeah no

[patent vortex]

I thiiiiiink it’s p9’s own editor

[signal wadi]

coloros 16

[fierce cypress]

it seems like worse ed

[fierce cypress]

I'm gonna switch to emacs like really soon so I'm genuinely curious why you think this

[patent vortex]

I don’t think anything of emacs

haven’t used it

[fierce cypress]

oh I see

[patent vortex]

my uni library has a vi book from like 2001 I want to read

[signal wadi]

yayyyy

[fierce cypress]

my only complaint in my little time fiddling with it so faf is that it was too easy to make it slow and it doesn't support hdr

[signal wadi]

i havent done anything now it's bootlooping

fuhhhh

[patent vortex]

it also had The C Programming Language but it went missing

I had to do an interlibrary loan to get it

[fierce cypress]

like K&R?

[patent vortex]

yeah

second edition

[fierce cypress]

I tried reading it once before but it sucked having partly intact letters and no syntax highlighting because it's a pdf

idk if it was ever digitized into text instead of images

[patent vortex]

it was I think

[fierce cypress]

wtf it was published before we even got a standard

[patent vortex]

due back in 3 months

[lucid forge]

sam is a gui

[fierce cypress]

idk I think cppreference.com is a great resource but I wouldn't say no to reading K&R if I was stuck in a mountain cabin without internet for a few weeks

I guess that goes for most books really..

[patent vortex]

reading it is a nice way to pass time even if you don’t actually do anything

[fierce cypress]

yeah it's just that I'd rather just start writing code instead

reading about programming makes me want to

[signal wadi]

new rom time 🔥

[fierce cypress]

do you not have windows terminal

[signal wadi]

this is windows terminal

[fierce cypress]

i swear the micrisoft corporation all rights reserved thing was only there in cmd

i might as well be demented when it comes to windows stuff now i guess

[patent vortex]

it’s the actual interpreter thing that prints that iirc

[fierce cypress]

In other languages, an expression is text; it has no other form. In Lisp, an expression is primarily a Lisp object and only secondarily the text that is the object’s read syntax. Often there is no need to emphasize this distinction, but you must keep it in the back of your mind, or you will occasionally be very confused.

emacs lisp sounds very threatening

[royal nymph]

they merged it https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/commit/23427dbc12fdcff30c23a96a3d6a66d62fdc091d

bun now has 0% human written code

[supple whale]

slop

[fierce pendant]

theres still a lot of zig in the code i think

i took a look

[royal nymph]

look at the commit

1 million lines added, 4k lines removed

their clanker just forgot to remove the old code I think

every file is just duplicated in both languages now

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/blob/main/src/boringssl/boringssl.zig#L1-2

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/blob/main/src/boringssl/lib.rs#L1-L2

[pearl stag]

boringssl.zig: Lines 1-2

// TODO: move all custom functions from the translated file into this file, then
// the translated file can be provided by `zig translate-c`

lib.rs: Lines 1-2

// TODO: move all custom functions from the translated file into this file, then
// the translated file can be provided by `zig translate-c`

[royal nymph]

funny outdated comment

[fierce pendant]

oh lol

well im not gonna use node, am i?

[dense sand]

thats fuckign crazy

@supple whale

[supple whale]

yeah no

[supple whale]

fuck bun i've been saying it since day 2 of it releasing

meanwhile my eyesight has been getting better so my vscode now looks like this

XD

[runic sundial]

Crime

[jade stone]

Istg if they push this in a semver minor

[celest lodge]

they would do that

[fierce pendant]

nah bro this will be a semver patch

[fierce cypress]

honestly I feel like it might help their slop machines perform better to be able to refer to 2 things at once for correctness or something? they'll get desynced very soon and I also never researched optimizing clankers

[fierce cypress]

idk I think you were just a hater until the anslopic thing happened.. they were just measurably better for some things and whatnot

[supple whale]

no

i was simply a hater full stop

it was dogshit, got bought by dogshit, then they made it even more dogshit

conclusion, its still dogshit

and i could give less of a fuck as i'll never use it

because its dogshit

[royal nymph]

they just weren't better though

Bun turned from unstable alphaware to maybe stable but do you really want to find out in production aiware

Only benefits being speed (which hardly matters honestly) and the arguably bloated at this point stdlib which also leads to vendor lock in

[fierce cypress]

what would instability on their end even look like? they just used jsc for the runtime

[royal nymph]

it used to crash a lot

also no windows support even

[fierce cypress]

it never crashed for me on wsl way back other than when I tried the native exe thing

[ornate quiver]

i hated bun ever since it made its first public appearance

[royal nymph]

Also bun still has memory leaks and crashes to this day

[ornate quiver]

it was bad then and its still bad now

[royal nymph]

I just see no reason to use bun over nodejs

[fierce cypress]

I did hear about memory usage issues but idk how bad it was and stuff

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/i/status/2054903403483156909

SaltyAom (@saltyAom)

My opinion on Bun Rust rewrite is I trust Jarred

Most reports to Elysia I got are about memory leak on production when using Bun

Rust could fix that

It may not be smooth in the first few version but I think it would improve in a long run

But I will wait and see before comment

X · May 14, 2026, 12:35 PM

[ornate quiver]

yop

[fierce cypress]

I won't ever use it now but it was fun while it lasted I guess

never trust js ecosystem..

[royal nymph]

why do u only care now, it's been vibecoded for ages at this point

[fierce cypress]

"yeah we'll just have broken releases for a little while first"??

[fierce cypress]

I hadn't looked at it in a while and everyone's talking about it

I feel sad about I guess

I feel bad for ever doubting pnpm

[royal nymph]

pnpm is also vibecoded now

[fierce cypress]

yeahhh so is deno to the same degree

no one slopped as hard as bun and probably never will anymore though at least

I think the solution is to just not use dependencies

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30706

[royal nymph]

"now"

[indigo yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1278283111355908096/1289842054683299902/rust-1.gif

[lyric latch]

alii might die

[winged mantle]

make your own js runtime and package manager

just do this but with js https://craftinginterpreters.com/

[ionic lake]

it never did, majority of the zig codebase was being written by claude as well

[winged mantle]

wasn't bun a thing before claude

yeah it was

[ionic lake]

yeah it was originally a esbuild port

actually much of it has been ports

remember when you had to join the discord and type i want bun in a channel

[winged mantle]

so just esbuild without gc overhead?

[ionic lake]

sure enough and some slapsticks

[lyric latch]

i just use bun because it types faster than node yk

30ms save

[fierce cypress]

unironically was just considering that

i'd use node for the runtime probably but i think i could do a package manager