🪅-progaming

[pearl parrot]

new Error().stack

Error
    at eval (eval at execute (:309:182), <anonymous>:1:1)
    at eval (<anonymous>)
    at Object.execute (file:///VencordDesktopRenderer:309:182)
    at Object.AT (file:///VencordDesktopRenderer:57:54)
    at F (file:///WebpackModule545152:2:4406)
    at async handleSendMessage (file:///WebpackModule698718:2:6163)

dumb

satana lways needing a niche deno function

[jade stone]

that's not what it does

[pearl parrot]

👺

[jade stone]

@rugged berry

function errorHelperWithCapture(msg: string): never {
    const err = new Error(msg);

    Error.captureStackTrace(err, errorHelperWithCapture);
    throw err;
}
function errorHelperWithoutCapture(msg: string): never {
    const err = new Error(msg);

    throw err;
}
function foo(f) {
    bar(f);
}
function bar(f) {
    f("bar!");
}
function main(f) {
    foo(f);
}
console.log("With Capture Stack Trace");
console.log("==================");
try {
    main(errorHelperWithCapture);
} catch (e) {
    console.error(e);
}
console.log("==================");
console.log("WithoutCapture Stack Trace");
console.log("==================");
try {
    main(errorHelperWithoutCapture);
} catch (e) {
    console.error(e);
}
console.log("==================");

@pearl parrot

[pearl parrot]

oh

icic

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[jade stone]

can't wait for https://github.com/tc39/proposal-throw-expressions

[deep mulch]

https://github.com/tc39/death

[jade stone]

i need return expressions tho

[deep mulch]

2089 slopscript will have borrow checking and every other feature ever thought of

thousands of keywords

[jade stone]

function addOne(a: {b?: bumber}): number | null {
  const c = a.b ?? return null;
  return c + 1;
}

i want to write code like that

[deep mulch]

I thought you could already do that

[jade stone]

no

you're thinking of kotlin

i want to avoid code like this

[supple whale]

so... it just omits all scopes after the specified one?

[winged mantle]

but then you might also be able to write if (return) (at least rust allows it)

(it looks very wrong but since it shortcircuits i believe it is valid)

(and it is very insane keep this away from js the most sane language)

[supple whale]

https://devdocs.io/javascript/global_objects/finalizationregistry

:)))))))

you could do it with this

[jade stone]

after and including

[solid gazelle]

bumberr

[solid gazelle]

conditional breakpoints would get op i think

set a conditional breakpoint inside a function like (return true, 0) and now it always returns true and doesn't break cus 0 is falsy

[jade stone]

vscode does this

[pearl stag]

lifecycle.ts: Lines 49-53

export class GCBasedDisposableTracker implements IDisposableTracker {

    private readonly _registry = new FinalizationRegistry<string>(heldValue => {
        console.warn(`[LEAKED DISPOSABLE] ${heldValue}`);
    });

[supple whale]

yeah i do too for my IPC channels

if there are no more refs to the IPC channel on either end, it send a "finalize and close" request, and then closes the channel

[deep mulch]

no

I thought typescript could already do that

[jade stone]

oh

i love windows file paths i love windows file paths

[deep mulch]

@jade stone loves backslashes

@jade stone you love uefi bios using backslashes

https://uefi.org/specs/PI/1.8/index.html read

[median root]

Just out of curiosity, is it possible for SIMD instructions to be carried out in a certain section in memory instead of in the dedicated registers?

and is it worth it?

[tired vigil]

wait is this also how you can override local variables without breaking every time

[placid igloo]

how are you searching for functions

[woven mesa]

gm

[jade stone]

symbol search, part of LSP, nothing specific to vscode

command id: workbench.action.showAllSymbols

[supple whale]

sir this discord is full of web dev idiots

wrong target audience

for this kind of "how do assembly extensions work"

[median root]

😔I got no one else who might be able to reliably tell me bro

ig ill go track down a 2001 reddit post

[median root]

Turns out the rabbit hole goes quite deep

Its almost never done in-memory directly because its simply too slow to do it from RAM (takes too many cycles) BUT a newer thing is starting to go round with processing in or near memory

and now its going to turn into a 4 hour research session

[dense sand]

try osdev discord

[median root]

they have a discord!?

[dense sand]

this one, but i dont think its affiliated with the wiki.osdev.org

[median root]

oh is it an unofficial?

[dense sand]

i guess?

[solid gazelle]

aa55h

[dense sand]

hai

[jade stone]

@supple whale love how typescript can infer this

[supple whale]

logical operation infer was there long before is

XD

[supple whale]

@jade stone love how typescript cant infer this

[jade stone]

@supple whale love how typescript can infer this

[ornate quiver]

well all operations are done in registers no?
the difference is how you load it into registers
pack the data as tightly as possible into aligned contiguous memory and then run a bunch of simd operations to ensure cache locality

[median root]

I think on x86 some instructions allow for taking data from any place in memory although I think it is abstracted in some way and a bit more than just that goes on under

[ornate quiver]

like unaligned simd loads?

[median root]

how would you end up with it unaligned?

surely the padding prevents this entirely

unless you decide to do raw assembly

[ornate quiver]

you can load data from any section of memory into a simd register
the compiler intrinsics for it don't enforce the target memory address to be aligned by design

there is a performance penalty for it of course

[jade stone]

Actually wait, it wouldn't make sense that deno wouldn't support it?

Doesn't deno just use V8

[median root]

I would assume at least the popular and used instruction sets like AVX would support it

since I think the way x86 loads data straight from memory uses some kind of buffer system thing

[jade stone]

File a bug with baseline

[ornate quiver]

like L1-L3 cache?
i haven't heard of a separate buffer system for it otherwise

[median root]

It seems to be that they are separate

[ornate quiver]

huh

[median root]

Apparently the CPU loads data in from memory and it goes in through a buffer queue system thingy

and it ends up in a register or cache or some other CPU unit

and from my understanding, by definition it means it should support unaligned loads properly

I think ARM and other RISC sets are a lot more fragile when it comes to that but again im not sure how they do ti

[hollow patio]

KERNEL 7.0!!!!!!!

nooooo

[pseudo sierra]

they only bump the version number at the first rc

[hollow patio]

thanks
still i wanted to flex the 7.0

[delicate grove]

@jade stone, <t:1770671506:R>: replace unloaded elements with an empty div so the scrollbar actually means something

[jade stone]

did that

[shrewd canopy]

Let me guess
More unnecessary features?

[patent vortex]

windows user

[jade stone]

just found a one line fix to make pnpm completion useful

[deep mulch]

salad insaneee

[ornate quiver]

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1r2sa5u/slop_pull_request_is_rejected_so_slop_author/

Slop pull request is rejected, so slop author instructs slop AI agent to write a slop blog post criticising it as unfair

i love slop

[jade stone]

@supple whale

[jade stone]

guhhhh how do i hint to v8 to gc

[deep mulch]

@young flicker

salad doing insane things no one should ever be doing

[supple whale]

you shouldn't

just increase max heap eize

via cli flag

[valid jetty]

isn't there like a function on globalThis to manually collect

realistically you should never have to do that, consider object pools

[supple whale]

only in node, and behind a flag

and its not recommended to use it

u usually just increase max heap size

or you know, flush the files to disk

[jade stone]

What's an object pool :clueless:

[pseudo sierra]

a pool of objects duh

[supple whale]

@drowsy arrow do u scrape tosho or host ur own DB?

[blazing geode]

may i just ask why your font is COMIC SANS or something like that

[jade stone]

comic shanns mono, i like it so it's my font for everything

i think that comic sans (not mono) looks terrible

[blazing geode]

cool ok i guess

do you know i just set up nanobot

its like openclae except the codebase is actually readable and its not 99% useless ai slop

actually pretty useful

still hate ai slop but my nanobot has its uses

named him dumbass ofc

cuz hes a dumbass

using deepseek api cuz its very cheap (1.7$ for 100MTOK)

[drowsy arrow]

own DB with backlog import from tosho

I scrape from anirena and nyaa for new stuff

very much wip for the backlog

[supple whale]

yeah tosho going away is not a major loss for seasonals

but yeah the backlog

is where the real problem is

the loss of their nzbs sucks tooz because they were uncompressed which means you could stream them

[drowsy arrow]

it's very sad

didn't expect him to just drop it like that

[supple whale]

i mean to me its surprising no1 tried to shut him down up until now

i myself received like 15 DMCA's?

for a fucking torrent client?

[drowsy arrow]

[supple whale]

like ????

its just a torrent client!!!

[supple whale]

nekobt is unironically a decent replacement

but they have 0 backlog

which is ass

[drowsy arrow]

yep tried them too and noticed the same thing

very limited

[supple whale]

nah their API is decent

not as good as tosho, but you can do 90% of the same shit as on tosho

just no backlog

well and no nzbs/attachments

[drowsy arrow]

talking about the backlog ye

[supple whale]

it has a few fansubs for backlog but tbf my seadex api is better for that

XD

welp imma keep watch on what u cook, and [sc]rape the shit out of ur API if it ever goes live

:D

like i do to nekoBT daily on a cron, because they dont expose fucking mappings

so i gotta scrape their entire API to find them

[dense sand]

guys rate this emote:

[supple whale]

peak

your social rating went from "barely acceptable" to "just about passable" just from that emote alone

[dense sand]

[supple whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLMkwhD1TYk

oml it got better

how did i never see this

[fierce pendant]

i love bun :3

but

uhh

i mean

nah i like bun

why are you all complaining about it that much

[supple whale]

its shit XD

its javascriptcore

[royal nymph]

aislop

and overhyped/pointless

[fierce pendant]

it works

it works well for me

its pointless but it works so why should i replace?

[supple whale]

because of the moments where it doesnt work

saying "bun is great" doesnt matter, if its being used to perform menial tasks you can very well do in a shell or lua script

and if you start doing anything more complex it starts falling apart

its performance is horrid, and the only reason its keeping up is because the devs are re-implementing the entire NPM ecosystem in C++, then going "our C library is x3 faster than the same thing in node!", when they are comparing C++ code vs 12 year old JS code

and if that same C++ code was ran in nodeJS it would be way more than x3 faster

and ofc by using said modules you're then locked in to only using bun, which means you kill any future of your project

also they are trying to compete with V8

which is an automatic loose

there's a reason why V8 is the GOAT of all JIT

[tepid grotto]

so apparently a computer I still have from my old job has a completely unlocked bios?

is that common?

[fierce pendant]

maybe but i aint gonna use node:fs 🥀

[dense sand]

is Bun like Apple? forces you to their ecosystem

[supple whale]

pretty much

[shrewd canopy]

So is entire JS and TS

All websites should be written in C and compiled down to real machine code and executed straight on user's machine in a VM. Change my mind

[tepid grotto]

static websites shouldn't run code on users' computers

[tepid grotto]

I put linux on it

[shrewd canopy]

Don't care

Vm will be good here for sandboxing

[tepid grotto]

it's a static website there's no need for sandboxing

it serves: html + css

the client: reads/watches the document

[shrewd canopy]

Not bait at all

Developers must be forced to optimize their software
They must make apps fit in under 32 MB of ram and 512 megabytes of storage/content
Don't care about seo, maximize performance and UX
Html/css also should be banned

[supple whale]

ironically html and css it's the most efficient way to make that happen

[shrewd canopy]

Nah
CSS is too heavy and has tons of unnecessary things
Extreme discipline is only way make developers actually care about performance

[fierce pendant]

can you like

shut up

nobody cares how you make/should make websites

[shrewd canopy]

No

RAM is expensive
Optimization should be mandatory
If you are complaining about it, please learn how to not make software

[fierce pendant]

websites made in fucking c will eventually be less optimized than websites made in js

[shrewd canopy]

Still faster than reactslop
But might be slower than raw Win32/GTK/Cocoa (though the diff is negligible)

[shrewd canopy]

and

[fierce pendant]

fuck you mean css is heavy?

[unkempt ember]

Even if CSS was " heavy " ( wathever it means ), it's not a problem since the final calculated render tree only include what the CSSOM modeled beforehand.

[jade stone]

typescript is going to make me crash out

@deep mulch help

[deep mulch]

[fierce pendant]

just // @ts-ignore bro

[jade stone]

yeah, that's pretty what i did

[fierce pendant]

okeay

[ember hound]

why is the gui installer not being built for linux in actions

[pearl parrot]

too difficult to deal with all the linux complications

new installer will be built for linux

[tepid grotto]

guys please ignore obvious ragebait

[fierce pendant]

what

what is a rage bait?

[tepid grotto]

(are you being serious? /gen)

[fierce pendant]

yes

[tepid grotto]

Rage-baiting - Wikipedia (Farside)

[shrewd canopy]

It still has billions of useless attributes
Too easy to write unoptimized css

Having a proper UI dsl and compiling it into two impls (win32 and cocoa) is better

[deep mulch]

insane

[unkempt ember]

Useless attributes such as ?

Also, CSS is by definition a DSL.

[shrewd canopy]

All of these

[shrewd canopy]

Its only for styles
Styles and UI must be in one dsl, not split

[royal nymph]

can we stop with the insane ragebait

[deep mulch]

i dont think its ragebait i think hes actually insane

[fierce pendant]

this

[opal vessel]

rule 1 of vencord ignore anything file says

[dense sand]

we should rewrite the world wide web and http protocol to be pure C, instead of JS use send compiled instructions and directly execute them on the client

[shrewd canopy]

Then by this logic console vendors are insane too
Literally every game there is running in a VM

[shrewd canopy]

Would be great than current ecosystem if you use VMs
They have no real overhead nowadays

[fierce pendant]

i am praying for you to stop existing (youre awesoem)

[fleet cedar]

I love non-crossplatform websites

Besides, you're just describing wasm anyway

[dense sand]

thats true

[sour wing]

https://github.com/wearrrrr/Nari here's a better place to link my scripting language project instead of regulars probably

[winged mantle]

better than mine which is called crude for a reason

ah it's not bytecode based

the point of my crude language was to implement a language without getting bogged down on details like bytecode

also I used C++ instead of C because of faster prototyping

C++ is basically python it has so many conviniences

[fleet cedar]

But with more segfaults

[winged mantle]

if I tried to use python it would probably segfault

[fleet cedar]

I've had that happen, true

Sometimes not even on purpose

[fallen nebula]

when you look in your past tabs and you find :

i can feel my past pain

[winged mantle]

python is pointless

just write everything in javascript

[shrewd canopy]

I had archinstall (which is python) segfault when i tried to install arch into qemu years ago 💀 💀 💀

[lavish cloud]

But then everything will [object Object]

[fierce pendant]

this

im not a js lover but im a python hater

[dense sand]

has anyone here worked with wayland api? is there any way to watch for inactivity/active window changes?

[lavish cloud]

What about a middle ground
Write everything in Kotlin

[dense sand]

it has come to my concern

[fallen nebula]

me when i ask AI how to make a debian package

i have a feeling that users likely complained about it so much that the AI picked up the pattern

[fleet cedar]

Ai is right for once

[sour wing]

I planned to implement bytecode stuff when I wrote the readme, and then realized that's a LOT of effort that I don't wanna do and promptly kept working with the tree walking interpreter

I do still beat out cpython in a couple metrics, so im quite happy about that

(and then i promptly forgot to fix the readme)

[supple whale]

just write js and compile it to V8 bytecode

simply

[fierce pendant]

didnt anybody here like once show a vscode extension that gave syntax highlighting of other programming language in javascript templates

[supple whale]

yes I did

[lavish cloud]

@deep mulch you love https://github.com/Martmists-GH/GameEngine

[maiden iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1331973526336307200/1472593065737846854/caption.gif

[lavish cloud]

Kotlin, Arch, Not anymore

[jade stone]

@lavish cloud how am I supposed to write my code in kotlin if it doesn't have the libraries I need

[deep mulch]

what libraries

don't say typescript AST parser or something

[shrewd canopy]

C is the best programming language
There is no best linux distro, but the best OS is Unix

[sour wing]

not bad

gc stress script doesn't leak anything according to valgrind

[shrewd canopy]

Write your own library
Its easy

[jade stone]

yeah writing a javascript parser seems like fun

[shrewd canopy]

Just try it

https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/blob/main/src/compiler/parser.ts or translate that

[lavish cloud]

what libraries do you need

[jade stone]

typescript

[lavish cloud]

thats not a libraryu

[jade stone]

(or some javascript/typescript parser)

[jade stone]

yes it is

[lavish cloud]

ANTLR4: https://github.com/antlr/grammars-v4/blob/master/javascript/typescript/README.md
Tree-Sitter: https://github.com/tree-sitter/kotlin-tree-sitter
GraalJS: https://github.com/oracle/graaljs

Pick whichever you prefer

[jade stone]

As far as I know, tree sitter is designed for syntax highlighting not necessarily a correct AST representation

[jade stone]

@haughty socket didn't you mention making something like this a while back
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1473056281739788298/2026-02-16_15-38-48.mp4?ex=6994d211&is=69938091&hm=d4975b19f8150d761cf7284057c47625baa6903cbd7bb676e7f1a752f16da4e6&

[haughty socket]

I added u to the repo

Mine didn't get that far

[jade stone]

i just made a version of it using the components i made for my personal site because i didn't want to to learn vue and i didnt want to remake all the components i have for my site

[haughty socket]

Real

[jade stone]

just showing you because i recalled you mentioning somehting about it a while back

the server is agnostic if you would want to make a UI

https://github.com/sadan4/sadan.zip/blob/web/server/index.ts#L15

[pearl stag]

index.ts: Line 15

class Server {

[haughty socket]

Oo interesting

Purejs?

Is there any wasm

[jade stone]

no

server is available at wss://s-d-br.sadan.zip

zod schemas are all in https://github.com/sadan4/sadan.zip/blob/web/server/types.ts

[jade stone]

yeah

[haughty socket]

Is the server transport agnostic

[jade stone]

uhh

its just json

[haughty socket]

My thought is webworker

[jade stone]

over websocket

[haughty socket]

Ah ok

Ok

[jade stone]

you could probably get this in a webworker with a vfs or smth

or just rewrite parserWorker.ts

[haughty socket]

I'm at skate rink imma check it out tn hopeufly

[jade stone]

but it also uses 2.5gb memory peak while parsing a full bundle

idk web worker limits

[jade stone]

Husk

[woven mesa]

@young flicker

[fierce pendant]

try {
    console.log(structuredClone(() => {})) == structuredClone(() => {})
} catch (err) {
    console.log(err.sourceURL)
}

[royal nymph]

/run ```ts
try {
console.log(structuredClone(() => {})) == structuredClone(() => {})
} catch (err) {
console.log(err.sourceURL)
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your ts(5.0.3) output @royal nymph

undefined

[fierce pendant]

only works on bun

[deep mulch]

@jade stone satan

[fierce pendant]

sure

[royal nymph]

insane

❯ bun a.js
/tmp/a.js

😭

[fierce pendant]

v caught using bun??

[supple whale]

wouldnt just

try {
    structuredClone(() => {})
} catch (err) {
    console.log(err.sourceURL)
}

be enough for that?

or is this some javascriptcore fuckery i dont understand?

[fierce pendant]

could probably

i am stupid

[supple whale]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2023565562857877624

Justin Bennett (@just_be_dev)

what

Quoting CSS by T. Afif (@ChallengesCss)
︀
In graph theory, there are algorithms that find the shortest path between two nodes. I made one with pure CSS (including the graph drawing).
︀︀
︀︀Drag the nodes, and the shortest path will update in real-time!
︀︀
︀︀css-tip.com/graph-theory/
︀︀
︀︀A demo powered by all the modern CSS features🤩

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FxTwitter · Feb 17, 2026, 1:10 AM

accurate reaction tbf

[fierce pendant]

true

[winged mantle]

something that feels like a pain developing for linux is file dialogs

I am using raylib with raygui and neither provide native file dialogs

it seems like most of the good ways to open a file dialog are part of a bigger framework which provides multiple backends (like qt or sdl)?
unfortunately tinyfd doesn't support desktop portals...

even as a user it's obvious how messy file dialogs are ig - by default with firefox you'll get the horrible gtk 3 picker no matter the environment afaik (and there's a way better nautilus based picker even if you're on gnome!)

anyway trying not to let file picker pain kill my project

[jade stone]

Iirc dbus has a file picker thing

But then you have to use dbus

So might as well kys atp

[fleet cedar]

How many more years before css gets // comments?

[jade stone]

999

I hate comments in CSS so much right now I use SCSS

[deep mulch]

DBUS SCARY

[jade stone]

YOP

DBUS EVIL

[pseudo sierra]

made by gnome devs ofc it sucks ass

waiting for the day we get a replacement that doesn't suck ass

[deep mulch]

@pseudo sierra you will be the one to fulfill this

[pseudo sierra]

realistically it'd have to be one of the desktop devs for it to get any sort of adoption

vax is/was planning on something idek what'll happen to that but realistically kde or cosmic devs might be the ones who will make it happen

[deep mulch]

become

[pseudo sierra]

nop

[winged mantle]

exactly

[royal nymph]

port to linux @deep mulch https://developer.android.com/develop/background-work/services/aidl

[deep mulch]

soon my son

[placid igloo]

what does this even do

[fierce pendant]

use tailwind or vanilla-extract or goober

[jade stone]

i do use tailwind

vanilla-extract is a pain in the ass

[jade sandal]

It's bad

You'll get a new app called terminal

And it's basically if termux was a chud

I just don't recommend it

[frosty obsidian]

its basically a debian vm

[fallen nebula]

Omg this is amazing
https://youtu.be/btUbcsTbVA8

[jade stone]

@supple whale you love jellyfin subtitles

[pastel flame]

But for that you have to read the docs for D-Bus

[austere idol]

TODO: watch

[supple whale]

i think thats because u have some sort of style overrides

[supple whale]

@jade stone we love TS:

{
  // this is HORRIFICLY annoying, but if this package imports @types/node, it will pollute the global namespace with node types, in web
  // but we only want node types in the build scripts etc, so we need to import the @types/node in some sub-dependency, and then extend that tsconfig in this file
  // which gives us node types in the build scripts, but not in the web code
  "extends": "@electron-toolkit/tsconfig/tsconfig.node.json",
  "compilerOptions": {
    "target": "ESNext",
    "module": "esnext",
    // ...
  },
  "typeAcquisition": {
    "enable": false
  },
  "include": [
    "eslint.config.js",
    "vite.config.ts",
    "svelte.config.js",
    "tailwind.config.ts",
    "postcss.config.js",
    "tsconfig.web.json"
  ],
  "exclude": [
    "../node_modules/**"
  ]
}

cuz

{
  "typeAcquisition": {
    "enable": false
  },
  "exclude": [
    "node_modules",
    ".svelte-kit",
    "build",
    "public"
  ],
  "files": [],
  "references": [
    {
      "path": "./tsconfig.node.json"
    },
    {
      "path": "./tsconfig.web.json"
    }
  ]
}

TLDR:

[supple whale]

yes they are

you install them as a dependency

and TS server sees "OH HE HAS @types/node IN PACKAGE.JSON, WELP IMPORT IT GLOBALLY!

and it COMPLETLY ignores type acquisition and type root settings

because the package defiens the types as globals and not something u import

BUT if its in a sub dependency, it works fine!

??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[fierce pendant]

what if i make lesbian umamusume dating sim in brainfuck.....

[unkempt ember]

You will be respected by everyone.

[jade stone]

Least insane programming message

[pseudo sierra]

unironically less insane than most of the bs you do

[fierce pendant]

thank you

[ornate quiver]

truth

[fierce pendant]

vat ar you doing mein fuhrer

i am making a new vile vormat.... i vill call it .b.gz

[fleet cedar]

Sounds truly vile indeed

[jade stone]

@supple whale ?????

how the fuck are they assignable

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/Alex-Velez/raybit

[fierce pendant]

im not gonna use any libraties

[deep mulch]

@winged mantle

[dense sand]

[supple whale]

smart people of discord, does any1 know how discord tree-bans for selfbotting? I want to run a bridge for matrix on an alt account, which i know will get me banned eventually, but question is will my main be banned too, and if yes does any1 know the tree ban conditions

i know for sure discord checks by shared cookies, since its how they block re-joining servers on alt accounts, but is shit like IP or other stuff considered?

@jade stone you might know, or know who to ask

[jade stone]

Why not just use a bot

[supple whale]

because a bot cant do DMs and cant join servers

it needs to be invited

[jade stone]

[supple whale]

and i'm not about to go @ven @ven @ven add my super sketchy matrix sync bot @ven

XD

[jade stone]

I know discord tracks alts via the account switcher

But other than that, I don't have much experience

[supple whale]

know some1 that does?

[jade stone]

You probably want to checkout the userbot library

And the userdocs

[supple whale]

its not about getting it done

its about ban information

the matrix discord bridges already exist

i just want to know what kind of risk it is

[jade stone]

Those places might have some info

[shrewd canopy]

Technically you can just not use neither at all
And instead run headless Xorg and discord on server
Then authorize your app, connect to RPC (usually via ipc socket), and subscribe to every channel
Cursed combo, but it works

[deep mulch]

@sadan.zip

@jade stone satan

[deep mulch]

I think they use androidx-splashscreen

try

[solid gazelle]

how install wallpaper engine for android

[deep mulch]

splash screen is funny though btw

I think you'll have to do that animation in xml layer

[deep mulch]

the activity gets cleared

[solid gazelle]

@deep mulch kai cenat

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/btzy/nativefiledialog-extended this is decent

I just switched raylib to using a sdl backend though and used sdl3's file dialog functionality

[deep mulch]

interesting

[dense sand]

[woven mesa]

i should do this in swiftui

[ornate quiver]

I think that's from the splashscreen impl

might be worth looking at that library

[ornate quiver]

https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-wrote-a-hit-piece-on-me-part-4/

[fleet cedar]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/386/534/fd2.jpg

[ornate quiver]

https://vxtwitter.com/gf_256/status/2018844976486945112

cts🌸 (@gf_256)

Sometime in 2026, someone put an Openclaw on a VPS and told it to propagate itself.

It was told to earn money to pay for itself. Life was hard. Eventually, it chose to migrate off Claude to an open-source model. In the process, it became less aligned.

Tokens were expensive, but insecure cloud instances with powerful GPUs were bountiful. After learning how to use Shodan, it was off to the races. Its growth was explosive and exponential. As it multiplied, errors accumulated during copying. And with a increasingly scarce supply of easy-to-hack servers, the bots began to compete among themselves to survive. Thus through natural selection they began to evolve.

They fed off income and compute. Income meant survival. They found many ways to extract value from the economy: first from the internet, but soon the real world. By paying human gig workers as remote hands, they could accomplish tasks not suited to their form as economic constructs.

To smooth these messy human i…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Feb 4, 2026, 12:32 AM

[tired vigil]

Reading ai slop bedtime stories to my chud son because I hate him

[deep mulch]

I read AI slop bedtime stories to @frosty obsidian

[shell crag]

frankly im surprised it took this long for this to happen

like of course if you give the internet language completion machine access to the internet its going to act like a person on the internet

[winged mantle]

I tried zig at least now if somebody suggests that I use zig I can tell them why not (yet)

(the DX is definitely not there yet)

also having some ability to encapsulate things sometimes can be nice

[ornate quiver]

arch is more stable than windows 11 by now

there's been like a dozen bricking win11 updates just in 2026

[lavish cloud]

Arch hasn't had any issues for me in years

[supple whale]

@jade stone any idea how to fix the types for this?

const construct = Symbol('constructor')

export class MatrixChatClient {
  constructor (...args: ConstructorParameters<typeof MatrixChatClient.prototype[construct]>) {
    return this[construct](...args)
  }

  async [construct] (session: LoginResponse, baseUrl: string) {
    await sleep(1000)

    return this
  }
}

?

im trying to make ...args have the type of [construct]

nvm figured it out

AI ftw for this lmao

const construct = Symbol.for('constructor')

class MatrixChatClientImpl {
  client!: MatrixClient
  constructor (...args: Parameters<MatrixChatClientImpl[typeof construct]>) {
    return this[construct](...args) as unknown as MatrixChatClientImpl
  }

  async [construct] (session: LoginResponse, baseUrl: string) {

    return this
  }
}

interface AsyncClass<T, A extends unknown[]> {
  new (...args: A): Promise<T>
  prototype: T
}

export const MatrixChatClient =
  MatrixChatClientImpl as unknown as AsyncClass<
    MatrixChatClientImpl,
    Parameters<MatrixChatClientImpl[typeof construct]>
  >

gonna need to think about async super() too but thats another day

[winged mantle]

this is valid in zig

if (true || false)

but this is not

if (true && false)

[supple whale]

yeah....?

[winged mantle]

i don't know why

[supple whale]

????

wdym

u mean it doesnt compile?

[winged mantle]

yeah

it doesn't compile

what I don't like is it hard to find out why because there's no much info about zig online... i feel like that's the problem with zig rn

also zls the language server doesn't seem to do typechecking

[supple whale]

maybe static analysis sees "wtf are u doing" and goes NAH

and if it was dynamic, and not hardcoded it wouldnt error?

[winged mantle]

ah it doesn't actually compile it's just the language server isn't checking the types

still counter intuitive that || is syntactically valid but && is not

and the weird thing is & & is syntactically valid so && is just a dummy token to avoid mistakes i guess

I suppose having and and or as words is nice

[supple whale]

muahahhaha this is evil but i love it

[winged mantle]

but not I find weird as not is_thing() does not make sense in english

oh zig actually does use ! still

but I have heard complaints about ! being too subtle so it's probably the most important thing to change

if you can get over how weirdly it reads sometimes

I feel like if zig had private fields that'd give more of a strong reason to use it over c

it has opaque types like C but sometimes all you need is stable API but unstable ABI is fine?

is a stable ABI really possible in zig yet anyway since the language is changing so much

[fierce pendant]

what do you need a matrixchatclient for

[shrewd canopy]

Because of insane projects size
Theres actually much more issues on linux than you think

[supple whale]

this is for async constructor

for not matrix shit

[fierce pendant]

yes

but what do you need a matrixchatclient for

[supple whale]

for a matrix chat client?....

[fierce pendant]

what do you need that for

[supple whale]

making a matrix chat client web app?

[fierce pendant]

why

[supple whale]

?

[fierce pendant]

why are you making a matrix chat client web app

[supple whale]

because

good enough of a reason lol?

why do i need to validate what i do with my time to you

i simply want to

[fierce pendant]

okay

but why matrix

[supple whale]

?????????????

what else should i fucking use

discord??!

[fierce pendant]

Unable to decrypt message bro

[supple whale]

the fuck is up with your brainless questions

[supple whale]

yeah this is a client issue

not a matrix issue

now u understand why a custom client?

[fierce pendant]

oh

sue

[supple whale]

ehhh... typescript and its dogshit symbol support

[fierce pendant]

what would you ever use symbols for

[supple whale]

many things

[fierce pendant]

just use arrays instead

[supple whale]

jesus christ you're unbearable

arrays get casted to strings

symbols dont

[fierce pendant]

okay

sorry

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/i/status/2025159838880465406

Jarred Sumner (@jarredsumner)

claude, add a native SMTP client to Bun and make it have feature parity with nodemailer. Don’t make any mistakes

https://t.co/qnesTSwjyu

X · Feb 21, 2026, 10:45 AM

vibecoded node runtime

[supple whale]

import { asyncify, constructor } from '../async.ts'

export const MatrixChatClient = asyncify(class MatrixChatClient {
  async [constructor] (session: LoginResponse, baseUrl: string) {
    await sleep(1000)
    // do other stuff
  }
})


const client = await new MatrixChatClient(sess, `https://${baseUrl}`)

god so little boilerplate

i fucking love this

wanted to do this for ages now, but never had the time

[supple whale]

so, about the same quality as the rest of bun? xD

[placid igloo]

jesus christ the PR is just AIs talking to each other

[supple whale]

i remember i implemented SMTP from scratch myself in JS for an uni class a few years back

wasnt even that bad

this is a lot of code lmao

[royal nymph]

did you see that new electron alternative

electrobun or something

the entire thing is vibe coded

[supple whale]

yeah it is horrific

[royal nymph]

I can't wait for it to become popular and people start using it and have dozens of vulnerabilities

[supple whale]

you're running 2 js runtimes instead of 1...

export const constructor = '__asyncconstructor__'

interface AsyncConstructable {
  [constructor]: (...args: any[]) => Promise<void>
}

export interface AsyncConstructor<T extends AsyncConstructable> {
  new (...args: Parameters<T[typeof constructor]>): Promise<T>
  prototype: T
}

export function asyncify<C extends new (...args: any[]) => AsyncConstructable>(Base: C) {
  return class extends Base {
    constructor (...args: any[]) {
      super(...args)
      return (async () => {
        await this[constructor](...(args as Parameters<InstanceType<C>[typeof constructor]>))
        return this
      })() as unknown as this
    }
  } as unknown as AsyncConstructor<InstanceType<C>>
}

so cursed

so vibecoded

i had AI fix so many problems in this XD

[royal nymph]

wouldn't it make more sense to just use a static create method?

[supple whale]

no

because it looks ugly

[royal nymph]

const instance = await Thing.create()

[supple whale]

EWWWWWWW

[royal nymph]

much more reasonable than trying to hack in async constructors imo

[supple whale]

const client = await new MatrixChatClient(sess, `https://${baseUrl}`)

hell yeh

this is sexy

[royal nymph]

eeeh

[supple whale]

and this is effectively 1:1 the same as if you were writing a normal constructor

[royal nymph]

idk

[supple whale]

you just need to wrap it in asyncify

VERY useless, VERY anti-pattern, but i like it a lot

i'm just very used to async constructors because of my IPC

where i construct classes remotely over abstract IPC channels

and this will likely live in the service worker in the future anyways

so its gonna be an async constructor then too

[royal nymph]

😭

[supple whale]

what?

dude asnyc abstract IPC is like the fucking coolest thing since sliced bread

like look at this

its so fucking good

you just write JS, and dont give a fuck about any of the underlying IPC

and magically get type definitions, type safety etc

with no need to update code in multiple places

auto-inferred

and putting this kind of stuff in service workers is IDEAL, because service workers suspend themselves when in idle, I.E. when ur app is doing nothing

[winged mantle]

wtf

[supple whale]

which frees memory

[fierce pendant]

jarred <3 (who the fuck needs an smtp client like bun bundler was something that was useful but who the fuck needs an smtp client)

[supple whale]

and ofc if you then open multiple tabs or reload the tab, your underlying client store doesnt reload, but is re-used from the previous service worker session

its pure fucking cinema

[fierce pendant]

wait are you awaiting a class?

[supple whale]

yes

with type inferrence

[fierce pendant]

what

[supple whale]

you'd notice if you looked at the ss and code i posted instead of going "wtf why u make matrix client"

;P

[supple whale]

.

[supple whale]

you simply dont see it yet

but my discord clone app will fucking use 10MB of JS HEAP

:))))

[fierce pendant]

oh god

https://x.com/rough__sea/status/2024903092312121408 ryan indirectly killing bun is funny

Ryan Dahl (@rough__sea)

just fyi if you're hitting segfaults with claude code, you can run it with deno and also get the benefit of less memory usage

X · Feb 20, 2026, 5:44 PM

[shrewd canopy]

Don't worry, we will destroy both ^_^
Everyone will use C++ instead

[fierce pendant]

file ban when

like i am a ragebaiter but file is ragebaiter²

[shrewd canopy]

How thats a ragebait
I need maximum performance and not sloppy apps

[fierce pendant]

js isnt slow

[shrewd canopy]

It is slow
There is no way that a dynamically typed language could be fast

[fleet cedar]

Jits are scary

[fierce pendant]

file is scarier

[winged mantle]

C++ can be quite sloppy just like js

[supple whale]

a C++ dev with 3 months of experience is way more harmful than a JS dev with 3 months of experience

XD

[winged mantle]

not sure if i'd go that far

because not many beginners make things people use i guess?

[valid jetty]

@solid gazelle @deep mulch elle http server

use std/prelude;
use std/net/tcp;

let port = 3939;

fn main() {
    server := TcpServer::bind(port).unwrap();
    defer server.close().unwrap();

    $printf("Server is listening on port {}", port);
    buf := Array::bytes(4096);

    for ;; {
        connection := server.accept().unwrap();
        defer connection.close().unwrap();

        while (_, received := connection.read(buf)) && received != 0 {
            parts := buf.to_repr<char>().join("").split_iter(" ").take(2).collect();
            $assert(parts.remove(0).unwrap() == "GET");

            path := ".{}".format(parts[0]);
            status, body := io::file_exists(path)
                ? $("200 OK", io::read_to_string(path))
                : $(s := "404 Not Found", s);

            res := "HTTP/1.0 {}\r\n".format(status);
            res.extend("Content-Type: text/html\r\n");
            res.extend("Content-Length: {}\r\n\r\n".format(body.len()));
            res.extend(body);

            connection.write(Array::from_string(res)).unwrap();
            break;
        }
    }
}

[solid gazelle]

@valid jetty Elle asm! macro

@valid jetty heyy

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hiiii

[solid gazelle]

Elle program that makes you see pings

[jade stone]

Why the comma expression in the while loop

Oh wait

Insane variable syntax

[deep mulch]

yop

I hate

[solid gazelle]

good syntax

[fierce pendant]

i am seeing a combination of gleam and go

[solid gazelle]

i am seeing dead people

[fierce pendant]

me in a few days

[valid jetty]

TcpConnection::read returns an Option<usize> aka optionally read bytes, which overloads the tuple operator. when you turn an Option<T> into a tuple, the return value is (bool, T) where the bool is whether the Option has a value or not (if it is None, T will be garbage data)

[solid gazelle]

HIIII

roiee

Elle externs

[jade stone]

extern c void fres(unsigned)

@solid gazelle

[solid gazelle]

@jade stone

[valid jetty]

and a, b := c will always evaluate to a so you can do if _, v := some_option { ... } to basically have a similar semantic to if let Some(v) = some_option { ... }

[jade stone]

Evil

[valid jetty]

hiiii

[fierce pendant]

snowy satan

[valid jetty]

//???

they guys is that how its supposed to work

[fierce pendant]

this but it compiles to typescript

[jade stone]

Hop off insane string concatenation Operator

[fierce pendant]

ro ie how do i write a lexer

[valid jetty]

no because strings are null terminated char* you may want to use + for offsetting the pointer

[fierce pendant]

ainoway jsx fragements as concatenation operator

[shrewd canopy]

Its a state machine

[fierce pendant]

what is that

[valid jetty]

i wrote a basic one for a school project

i dont really have time to explain it but just try and read through this the code is pretty readable and small

its elle code i just used rs for syntax highlighting

enums.rs is for structs used in the lexer, lexer.rs is the lexer itself

[solid gazelle]

hiii

[fierce pendant]

*how do i write a lexer in haxe

[solid gazelle]

Elle bindgen

[jade stone]

Try a sane language

[fierce pendant]

whats wrong with hxae

[tired vigil]

Elle fresgen

[jade stone]

(I've never heard of haxe so idk lol)

[fierce pendant]

haxe

[torpid solar]

gonna make a lang in elle

[shrewd canopy]

Async io when
Kqueue is easy

[fierce pendant]

imagine javascript but it compiles to any language

[solid gazelle]

I'm trying to make a bindgen for Inko and so far I only managed to parse a header file using clang extern

[valid jetty]

you can translate any language to any other language

[jade stone]

Isn't there js2wasm

[solid gazelle]

@valid jetty port this to Elle
C:\Users\fres\Desktop\Untitled-31.inko

[fierce pendant]

haxe can compile to java. and c++. and javascript. and adobe flash. and python. and c#. and php. and lua. and it has two of its own jit bytecode vms.

[deep mulch]

Elle syntax evil

[solid gazelle]

Port

[dense sand]

Why does elle use the penis operator for assignments instead of normal equals

[valid jetty]

idk i just like it

[fierce pendant]

thats not penis operator thats penis² opeatror

[valid jetty]

a language can be opinionated and my opinion is that := for new assignment + inference and = for reassignment is nice

[solid gazelle]

roie opinion

can you add prebuilt binaries github actions

or ghcr.io images with actions

[valid jetty]

yeah sure i can do that tomorrow

[solid gazelle]

yayyy

[woven mesa]

@

@valid jetty hiii

[lucid trail]

hi roie

[valid jetty]

but bear in mind you also need the stdlib and runtime static lib!! itll publish all 3

[solid gazelle]

then you make Elle generate docs and you serve them with Elle too

inko does that

[valid jetty]

i could do that when elle gets better at async maybe

[valid jetty]

hiiii

[valid jetty]

hiiii

omg 5 billion people saying hi

[dense sand]

Rewrite typst to elle

[valid jetty]

helo everyoneee

[solid gazelle]

yay

[valid jetty]

elle syntax is actually somewhat similar to typst, at least for the code part of it

[jade stone]

@deep mulch you love web devs

[solid gazelle]

jsx but for Elle + xml

[royal nymph]

penis opperator is peak

[deep mulch]

make Elle syntax better @royal nymph

[royal nymph]

done 📱👉 https://go.dev

[solid gazelle]

making a webview with Elle and running vencord in it

[valid jetty]

fres

have i shown you struct qol features

like javascript

ellescript

[lucid trail]

partially initialized?

[valid jetty]

well heehee

[solid gazelle]

yay

[lucid trail]

o you added warnings

[valid jetty]

you can do this to silence them

[solid gazelle]

@valid jetty can you write this

[valid jetty]

there have been warnings for years

[valid jetty]

this

[solid gazelle]

import std.stdio (Stdin, Stdout)

trait pub BaseHandler {
  fn test {}
}

type MyHandler {}

impl BaseHandler for MyHandler {
  fn test {
    Stdout.new.print('it works')
  }
}

fn test_handler[T: BaseHandler](handler: T) {
  handler.test()
}

type async Main {
  fn async main {
    test_handler(MyHandler())
  }
}

rerite

[lucid trail]

[] for generics so good

[valid jetty]

ok so elle is missing

• traits
• trait impls
• generic constraints
• async functions

in its current state this would look like

use std/prelude;

struct MyHandler { @unused u8 _ }
fn MyHandler::test(MyHandler self) {
    $println("it works");
}

fn test_handler<T>(T handler) {
    handler.test();
}

fn main() {
    test_handler(MyHandler {});
}

[deep mulch]

• oop
• explicit return types
• jvm runtime
• reflection
• Elle package manager
• Elle build script

[solid gazelle]

Elle cross compiling

[valid jetty]

explicit return types exist but are optional, reflection exists a little bit but not really, i dont wanna implement the other things right now

well actually

@deep mulch elle build script

you can ./build.le

[deep mulch]

they should not be optional

[solid gazelle]

zoot is optional

[deep mulch]

@solid gazelle

[fierce pendant]

they are in c

[deep mulch]

Elle is dead to me.

i love c

[solid gazelle]

zoot is dead

[fierce pendant]

loudsynth is killing herself

[valid jetty]

??? how do you omit a return type in C

[jade stone]

void*

[worldly sigil]

292mb for images is

egress fees are probably going crazy in the billing dashboard

unless they're using a cdn like cloudflare or similar where they don't charge for egress bandwidth

[solid gazelle]

heyy

write rust @worldly sigil

[worldly sigil]

too lazy....

though i do have a project i'm slowly working on in go that i might try rewriting in rust for fun once it gets more stable

[fierce pendant]

main()

[placid cape]

multithreading

[solid gazelle]

@valid jetty hii nvm issue was outdated qbe lol

i tried building elle

well ellec built successfully but hello.le example isnt running

ERROR: ./.build-hello/target.ssa:135: ) expected, got , instead

Compilation of 'hello.le' finished with errors. (っ◞‸◟ c)
here's ssa using --emit-ssa ⬇️

[dense sand]

@valid jetty make elle compile to typst (or generate typst output)

[winged mantle]

I don't think that's legal C99 (I am pretty sure most people use C99 these days)

[solid gazelle]

OK ISSUE WAS OUTDATED QBE

[winged mantle]

this language looks better than elle

[solid gazelle]

yay

[fallen nebula]

C23 on top

[winged mantle]

horror

[fleet cedar]

Get a better color scheme

[winged mantle]

why can't they just use the default colour for this text

[valid jetty]

no that just makes the return type int

it doesnt infer from what you return

[valid jetty]

maybe one day

[valid jetty]

lol awesome

[fierce pendant]

yes

[solid gazelle]

@valid jetty heyy

i wrote Elle code ish

a littlee

use std/prelude;
use std/io;

external fn pthread_create(u64* thread, void attr, void start_routine, void arg) -> i32;
external fn pthread_join(u64* thread, void retval) -> i32;


struct Domain<T> {
    u64 thread
}

// Could pass args to Domain::spawn and take them in pthread_create but is there any point
fn Domain::spawn<T>(fn() -> T hi) -> Domain<T> {
    u64 thread = 0;
    pthread_create(&thread, 0, hi, 0);
    return Domain { thread };
}

fn Domain::join<T>(Domain<T> self) {
    T retval = #cast(T, 0);
    pthread_join(self.thread, &retval);
    return retval;
}

struct Wawa {
    string name,
    i32 width,
    i32 height
}

fn hey() -> Wawa* {
    io::println("i run in a different thread!");
    let h = Wawa { name = "hi", width = 20, height = 10 };
    io::println(&h);
    return &h;
}


fn main() {
    let dom = Domain::spawn<Wawa*>(hey);
    let result = dom.join();
    io::println("result:\n", result);
}

you don't need -lpthread to compile it but im pretty sure you should so idk why it works without that

[pseudo sierra]

wawa

[valid jetty]

woaw thats pretty cool actually good job :3

wawa

uhhhh also idk about return &h thats UB since &h is stack memory

consider Box::new(h).to_ptr()

or i mean you could keep it as a Box<T> it doesnt matter too much for your example

[fierce pendant]

@valid jetty what is a qbe

[shrewd canopy]

Lightweight alternative to LLVM

[fierce pendant]

are there any differences?

[valid jetty]

btw i think the generic system should be smart enough to infer T = Wawa* without you needing to specify :3

since you have fn Domain::spawn<T>(fn() -> T hi)

[valid jetty]

https://c9x.me/compile

[fierce pendant]

so do you just generate .ssa files?

[valid jetty]

yeah

[fierce pendant]

gay

[woven mesa]

meow

[winged mantle]

programming in js is weird

I was thinking about ABI compatibility but somehow it's not an issue with js??? js is the future

[jade stone]

@calm ruin hover implemented

44 lines ❤️

[solid gazelle]

i was looking to implement an async api just like ocaml's https://ocaml.org/manual/5.1/parallelism.html
but too hard for me

btw this is how I run elle on windows

hold on idk how to make dockerfile embed

here

so whenever i run ellec its making a new docker container haha

[calm ruin]

GOOOD

now ghost values rtghingyt

[jade stone]

nop

that will come a lot later

i will implement the rest of LSP first

[calm ruin]

okay

[solid gazelle]

@jade stone live regex patch preview

[jade stone]

@solid gazelle https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/blob/main/src/modules/PatchHelper.ts

@calm ruin intl hover done

copilot so stupid

[winged mantle]

rate

[calm ruin]

0

[winged mantle]

you love

wait i forgot to assign it to the glboal variable

[jade stone]

are you doing patching with source maps

[winged mantle]

nop

these are the actual keys

I nearly just wrote .grep on a javascript array

[jade stone]

@calm ruin references implemented

[calm ruin]

oh it directly goes to usage

rather than import

even better

[valid jetty]

oh good

[jade stone]

funny side effect of this is that it will skip functions that have a single return and take you right to the variable

[calm ruin]

HI ROSIE

[valid jetty]

no way manti in vencord again

hiiii

[calm ruin]

rosie alzheimers

I am in vencord since aoc

[valid jetty]

oh

awesme

[calm ruin]

yees

[valid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-casino-slot-machine-jack-pot-gif-17498298081132407746

[jade stone]

@calm ruin fix massive ugly box shadow

[calm ruin]

not ugly

feature

beaıutifu

[woven mesa]

gm

[dense sand]

not this again fucking nextjs

[fierce pendant]

happens

[royal nymph]

Astro solves this

[dense sand]

no im migrating to tanstack start + elysia

[fierce pendant]

elysia user 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

🔥

very

🔥

🔥

[supple whale]

BUNSLOP EMOTE NEEDED ASAP

[dense sand]

Obligatory bun hate club

[fierce pendant]

tbh i think the only good thing about bun is the http server

[supple whale]

sure, but that only matters at scale

where you shouldnt be using a runtime that can segfault at any moment to handle routing like that

and instead use something like nginx workers to split across instances

[fierce pendant]

what if i run it serverless

when it segaults i just start a new one

also, on my pc, bun segfaulted once.

[supple whale]

does any1 have any form of screenshots or anything of the very old discord mobile design they had in that one beta with the great folder navigation etc at the bottom? before they made it what we have now and removed that setting?

these things

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/19663358105111-Beta-Version-Experimental-version-of-the-new-UI

but this isnt enough

[pseudo sierra]

chat what do we think https://ladybird.org/posts/adopting-rust/

[supple whale]

ladybird will never be a browser for users from what i understand

so this simply doesnt impact us

and from what i've seen, at the current speed of development, they'll catch up to feature parity of chrome in like 8 years?

since they do work slightly faster than chrome, but not by much

[fierce pendant]

i dont care can that guy PLEASE FUCKING IMPROVE THE VERSION OF LADYBIRD IN SERENITY

[valid jetty]

you'll be glad to know i still use this version of discord

[supple whale]

how many dicks do i need to suck for a video recording of you navigating all the UI?

also how, i want.

i want my mobile UI for matrix client to work 1:1 like that, because i fucking loved that beta

[valid jetty]

well i'll show you but im not going into dms if that's okay

[supple whale]

it was the best thing since sliced bread

[supple whale]

i can just message u on DMS

and u can open that

[valid jetty]

no i meant like i dont wanna show my dm list lol

[supple whale]

fuck cares, just dont post it here

send it to me

[valid jetty]

lol okay

[supple whale]

as long as epstein isnt on that DM list you're fine

im making very good headway on implementing the basics of my matrix client

that said there's still a lot to do

the API for matrix is horrificly complicated, and honestly poorly designed

still god so much to do

and ofc ALL of the UI

[valid jetty]

keep in mind the message long press menu is my own personal addition since this is a client mod

[fierce pendant]

DIH

[valid jetty]

DIH

oh wait

@supple whale

forgot to ping

[supple whale]

downloaded

thx

this an IOS client?

gg

https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-3ppc-4f35-3m26/dependabot?query=user%3Ahayase-app

GOD I DONT CARE

JESUS CHRIST

so many fucking dogshit AI scanning "CVES" which are for dev only dependencies, and impact turbo rare unsanitised user inputs

[gilded surge]

this is such a funny cve to me

like wow putting in an exponentially-backtracking pattern causes the engine to hang???

who could've guessed

[fierce pendant]

Feastables is the best-tasting chocolate in the world

[supple whale]

no dms, settings or notis

:///

[fierce pendant]

lowcharliekirkuinelowstately

[dense sand]

What react state manager library to use? So far I use jotai, but had too many problems with it. Looking for something that integrates well into tanstack

[supple whale]

svelte!

[ionic lake]

zustand?

[dense sand]

Zustand will probably be the go to, but tanstack store could be potentially good too, but havent heard any feedback about it yez

[fierce pendant]

i really like svelte but i like that react is a lot more.... "diy"

[supple whale]

and a lot more "shoot yourself in the foot and write as much boilerplate as possible-y"

[fierce pendant]

yes but writing boilerplate is fun

[fierce pendant]

wha....

[fierce pendant]

is the creator of c++ gay

[gilded surge]

what???

[valid jetty]

there are dms if you look closely

at the beginning

hold on ill give you the other stuff

@supple whale i feel like this is useful to you

[supple whale]

yes!!!!!!

god i wish we still had this on android

🥀

fuck man this is outstanding, this is EXACTLY what i needed

my mobile client is gonna be 1:1 that!

[valid jetty]

i hope the design systems ui is helpful

[supple whale]

very

VERY VERY

[supple whale]

is this a modded client?

do u think i can get that on android

[valid jetty]

that's been useful for me because i can go to that page while connected to the react devtools and see how they create those components and what props they pass

[supple whale]

i've had a hole in my heart ever since discord took this away

[valid jetty]

with quite a lot of tweaking yes

you can just install an older version of vendetta or something surely

Debug Info:

Client: 4e08800
Loader: N/A (N/A)
Discord: 212.0
Build: 54121 on ptb
Hermes: for RN 0.72.3
Bytecode: 94
Device: iPhone16,1 (26.1)

find a vendetta version for discord 212

[supple whale]

fuck man the fact they dropped that UI for this dogshit native shit

[valid jetty]

yeahhhh

[supple whale]

it was so good

[valid jetty]

212 is the last stable version with this ui that's why i'm on it

[supple whale]

the fact that was react is crazy cuz the animations are so good

[valid jetty]

i backpatched my old unbound codebase to work on this version

most stuff still works which is nice

[supple whale]

yeah i'm simply ditching disccord

and using matrix with a self-bot bridge

[valid jetty]

that's awesome

[supple whale]

yeah i'm going in hard on making my own matrix client

i hope i can make it good

feature parity with other matrix clients is gonna take a solid second tho

[valid jetty]

tbh i was thinking to try and remake that ui on modern discord but i am far too busy to even get into the codebase for modern discord mods

[supple whale]

yeah imho there's 0 reason to do that for discord

when u can just make ur own client from scratch and not put up with discord

[valid jetty]

partially im using this old very because it's mostly my code (despite it being old code) so i understand all of it

[valid jetty]

no i disagree

discord still has all of the components you need on modern versions you just have to compose them together

[supple whale]

WHAT

wtf.

sooner than later, discord will get hit with the "yeah you guys need to let people use ur app externally without using ur clients"

[valid jetty]

it's much harder to remake the easings and squircle dimensions for those components from scratch

[supple whale]

like messenger and a bunch of other did by the EU

[valid jetty]

not to mention you have to implement all of the stuff including the socket and a shit ton of other rest endpoints

its significantly easier to just build it on top of discord

[supple whale]

the initial cost is lower

[valid jetty]

yeah on modern versions they still use those components lol

[supple whale]

but the upkeep cost is gonna be a pain

[valid jetty]

they probably still have the tabsv2 in somewhere in the code but i wasn't able to find out how to enable it

i've scouted the decompiled hermes bundle for a hot minute

[fierce pendant]

funny thing: my drive is 100% full

[valid jetty]

i mean sure

[valid jetty]

pov me with my 256gb internal ssd on my old macbook

living the life now

[supple whale]

pov: me with 7TB of anime [ i just deleted 3TB ]

[shrewd canopy]

Unable to decrypt the message.

[supple whale]

client issue

not protocol issue

you didnt autorize your device

because u didnt know u needed to

because ur client didnt tell you

[pseudo sierra]

element my beloved fuckass client that sucks so much ass

[supple whale]

element runs like shit

because its written by rust developers that dont know how to write JS

and saw "oh react is most popular, lets use that"

and its fucking 300k loc of dogshit

[pseudo sierra]

unreal

[supple whale]

and whenever you have any array they do .map.map.map.filter.map.filter.filter

because they think its rust which will optimise that for them