🪅-progaming

[tepid grotto]

thanks! seems like it makes a decent dyslexia monospaced font?

[valid jetty]

@solid gazelle one day your day of reckoning will arrive and you should not be surprised at the occasion as you are aware of your devious sins

[solid gazelle]

oh-

[valid jetty]

yes!!!! i used to use maple mono but imo this font is nicer to read text with

[tepid grotto]

lmao

[valid jetty]

at least to read code with

[tepid grotto]

excellent! I work in accessibility but don't have dyslexia myself, so very much apprecieate the response — will be helpful to suggest to people

[valid jetty]

i thought i should make it clear that i am not clinically dyslexic, it is just easier to read code in my opinion having used both fonts for several months now

[tepid grotto]

also I love this:

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty roieeee

@rosie.pie @rosie.pie @rosie.pie

[winged mantle]

I just tried to hand edit dotnet il to get something to work properly in wine

this did not go to plan

(I was just trying to remove a line)

oh, managed to do it with dnSpy's recompilation feature

[deep mulch]

kose tode

kode tode

[winged mantle]

nope still doesn't work

i guess i should use a real game engine like unity

[valid jetty]

dont ignore my atan4

what do you think

[deep mulch]

what's the params

@valid jetty what if you added named params

[valid jetty]

oh my goodness gracious you dont know the atan lore

atan(v) was the original function, but for quadrants they wanted to make one that takes in x and y individually, since you would usually do atan(y / x), so they made atan2, but to make refactoring easy, they make it take in the args in reverse order, as in atan2(y, x). people always get confused on this so as a joke i made atan3, which basicaly does atan3(x, y) = atan2(y, x). i thought it would be really funny to make atan4 take in a direction so you can do both with a single function, and then i came up with the most cursed possible way to achieve that

[deep mulch]

who is they

???

ro ie crazy

[solid gazelle]

satan(v)

elle so pretty..

[deep mulch]

nop

I will fix

[valid jetty]

like the c working group idk

[winged mantle]

imagine people working on enterprise elle code not finding this joke funny

[valid jetty]

whoever is in charge of the c standard library specification

[deep mulch]

John C

[winged mantle]

c standard committee

[valid jetty]

yeah that

[deep mulch]

no it's John C

[winged mantle]

the c standard librarians

[valid jetty]

you can omit the parenthesis btw

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty # ulgy

[valid jetty]

isnt it wonderful

[winged mantle]

what really gets me is how tuple is 2 and triple is 3

evil

[deep mulch]

rosie will never add explicit return types

[valid jetty]

i would rather #cast than cast

[winged mantle]

just make it longer so it doesn't conflict with var names

static_cast

[deep mulch]

no one would know what this method returns without prior knowledge of the stdlib

[valid jetty]

__internal_builtin_elle_cast_this_variable_to_another_type(f32, x)

[winged mantle]

seriously though can't you just make it ⁨⁨as i64 *⁩⁩

[deep mulch]

okay but do it from discord

you cant

[winged mantle]

or (i64 *)

[deep mulch]

or github

[valid jetty]

parsing ambiguities

[valid jetty]

parsing ambiguities

[deep mulch]

it's very bad for readability

[valid jetty]

how

[winged mantle]

true i guess

[lucid trail]

honestly doesn’t #cast<T>(x) make more sense

[valid jetty]

just read #cast(T, x) as "cast to T the value x"

no because #cast isnt a function

[deep mulch]

no one can infer the type without knowing the stslib or using an editor

[deep mulch]

yes

[winged mantle]

why have a hashtag

it's not twitter

[valid jetty]

# is for compiler builtins
a

[fleet cedar]

Think that's for macros or something

[deep mulch]

twitter

[fleet cedar]

Or for shouting real loud yeah

[deep mulch]

Elle is twitter lang

[valid jetty]

weve talked about this before

[deep mulch]

minklang will be Elle with oop and better syntax

i@valid jetty @valid jetty

what if

minklang and Elle interop

@young flicker go play with your abacus

[valid jetty]

if you can figure out how to do that sure

[deep mulch]

your abacus

[winged mantle]

the majority of languages do just fine without this

[valid jetty]

yes but it now doesnt pollute the namespace for other bindings

in clang/gcc compiler builtins are __builtin_name

which is stupid

would you rather #cast(T, x) or __builtin_cast(T, x)

[deep mulch]

I'd rather #cast(x, T) if anything

[tepid grotto]

we should all use ⁨m4⁩ on our c files

[fleet cedar]

I'd rather have no "the" namespace

[tepid grotto]

ignore the fact that m4 is for asm and c has its own preprocessor

[valid jetty]

i polled this a while ago and #cast(T, x) won over #cast(x, T) 😭

[deep mulch]

how

that's insane

[valid jetty]

i love m4 its like lost media

[winged mantle]

cast is common enough that it makes most sense as a keyword to me

[deep mulch]

yop

[fleet cedar]

We all know what the best macro processor is ||tex||

[winged mantle]

as opposed to a member of a special builtin namespace

[valid jetty]

@deep mulch

[deep mulch]

not enough votes imo

[valid jetty]

well since casting is a builtin it would be weird if it was the only one without a #

[fleet cedar]

Why is it a function anyway

[valid jetty]

its. not

[fleet cedar]

Except first arg is a type instead of a value which is cursed

[winged mantle]

also in c plenty of things are built into the language without being prefixed with ⁨__builtin_⁩ aren't those just compiler specific

well sizeof... OK now I think about it i can't think of anything else

[valid jetty]

its a builtin, it can take anything

#size takes an expr or type

[fleet cedar]

In c sizeof isn't a function at all, it's an operator

[deep mulch]

x as T

[fleet cedar]

Just everyone always uses it with parens

[winged mantle]

indeed

[winged mantle]

i only use them for types (where you need them)

I might be strange

my argument might not have been very well constructed when I used the phrase "things"

plenty of things certainly are built into the language

[valid jetty]

in any case i think its useful to have a generalized, unambiguous-to-parse way of using builtins

they all follow the same format

[winged mantle]

I guess I find it hard to identify what counts as your criteria of being a builtin is

I mean ⁨if⁩ is another built in thing which applies to an expression

seems like an implementation detail leaking to the user of the language

whatever there are no jobs in elle anyway

I'll use zig instead

[valid jetty]

there are always jobs in elle for those with braincells to lose

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542264318465671170/1467390420609663039/Screen_Recording_2026-02-01_at_5.23.54.mov?ex=69822f93&is=6980de13&hm=4c94309653b16dc3b9af4d8cba9b6bd752ff3828ab066ef5522d4452769b54a3&

[winged mantle]

elle needs to innovate

compete with llvm

[valid jetty]

yeah lemme go write 1 million lines of code

[valid jetty]

made with elle and raylib btw !!!!

[winged mantle]

I made something which converted C arithmetic expressions (only with integers) to the most innefficient x86 assembly

i think it used push a ton

even just for constants

[deep mulch]

you can do it probably

you're an ai after all

[winged mantle]

I then discovered QBE just determines the result at compile time

compiler backends are magic

[winged mantle]

what if somebody made a gamemaker language runtime that runs without the rest of the engine

and then raylib bindings

wait i think gamemaker does allow plugins

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty is the worlds smartest person

[winged mantle]

so maybe you could make a plugin that allows using raylib

but then you would have multiple windows which is bad

just wondering because gml is the best language ever created but raylib is the best game engine

[deep mulch]

@winged mantle loves unity

[winged mantle]

unity ishorrible

unironically i am torn between gamemaker and godot and idk if i'm weird for that

godot seems kind of difficult to use

also gdscript seems limited

C# feels too oop (you can't just have a function somewhere)

[tepid grotto]

python (/j)

[winged mantle]

at first i thought i liked C# but i might even prefer to write kotlin

[tepid grotto]

electron? (/j don't do this please)

[winged mantle]

a game in electron feels like the dumbest thing

[tepid grotto]

yeah

[winged mantle]

surely you could just have a headless js runtime with a canvas compatibility layer

[tepid grotto]

no stop

[winged mantle]

which renders to a native window

[tepid grotto]

don't

no

bad

stop

[winged mantle]

better than electron

[tepid grotto]

don't use electron either

[winged mantle]

it's like what tsoding was trying to make

hate2d

like love2d but with javascript

[winged mantle]

flutter

[tepid grotto]

no

google's gross

[winged mantle]

imagine if there was a framework based on an actionscript like language using a port of flash apis with backends such as web and x11

https://haxeflixel.com/

[tepid grotto]

wth

[winged mantle]

presumably supports windows too

launched as an x11 app on my machine though

said language is also designed to transpile into other languages

like javascript

letting it run on web without wasm

[tepid grotto]

on an entirely unrelated note, how does one get the fun language roles?

[winged mantle]

are you a member of anti vencord aktion

[tepid grotto]

no

[austere idol]

one even exists?

[tepid grotto]

ah that makes sense

[jade stone]

@lyric latch @supple whale you love tailwind

isnt that just also tailwind

but different

you can do that in tailwind too

you can make custom rules in both js and css iirc

what are those attributes

i use tailwind for the final styles

and scss for styles on components that will be reused

yeah, but scss still has some nice things

my site is 15mb across all routes, but i have a lot of heavy deps

the main page loads 223kb over network, 630kb decompressed

[deep mulch]

huge

saladdd

saladd make me a blog with svelte

or astro

[jade stone]

2 copies of typescript, handful of textmate grammars and themes, monaco editor, regex engine (wasm), demangler (wasm)

That's most of it

[deep mulch]

@jade stone add game engine

make a multiplayer game on your website

[deep mulch]

true

[jade stone]

true

[boreal minnow]

hallo #🧩-plugin-development is read only so imma ask here

is there a way to do an http request without actually using fetch?

I wanna fetch some data from a website that doesn't have CORS headers

i mean yes this won't work for browser vencord but I wasn't planning to use it on the browser version anyways

[jade stone]

Native.ts, also #📖-info

Other plugins do native fetches for cors

[boreal minnow]

Thanks, also I don't think they'll approve if I ask for plugin dev role🥺

All I'm planning to do is make an unofficial plugin that will automatically do quests for me

Now that I think about it, I don't think that even requires native fetch holy moly

[jade stone]

That's already a thing lol

Check out aamiaas script and questify from equicord

[boreal minnow]

Yeah, what I thought was I would fetch the latest script from the gist and then eval the script

Because a bunch of my friends have zero knowledge of webdev and it's kinda annoying having to tell them what to do every single time

[boreal minnow]

I'll take a look at questify

[pearl parrot]

https://plugins.nin0.dev/questCompleter.desktop

[patent vortex]

oh you fixed that?

[pearl parrot]

it broke?

[patent vortex]

some broken patch idk

[pearl parrot]

true

[patent vortex]

i'll check again tomorrow

[pearl parrot]

Vencord WebpackPatcher Patch by QuestCompleter had no effect (Module id is 409389): /className:\i.headingControls,children:[/

okay i fixed @patent vortex

[patent vortex]

T420

[boreal minnow]

that is exactly what I needed thanks!!!

[fast trout]

anyone here know how vencord fetches updates and applies them?

does it check the github repo for newer commits than what the client is on?

and then it just builds off of the latest available commit or does it work differently than that

[jade stone]

Something like that

Just read the source

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/tree/main/src%2Fmain%2Fupdater

[jade stone]

@deep mulch help my tests take five years to run

[supple whale]

run them concurrently

all at once

simply

[jade stone]

they are

[supple whale]

28s for tests isnt bad

or split the long tests into sub tests

or write good code :))))

XD

[jade stone]

this project is very small, the issue is that it takes a bit to parse 850k lines of js

[deep mulch]

rewrite in Rust

so it's blazingly fast

[jade stone]

ehh

maybe

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[royal nymph]

purchase

[deep mulch]

okay

[jade stone]

concurrently wouldnt help me, this is cpu-bound. Vitest does not support parallel tests, only test files

[valid jetty]

wow the lights make a big difference

[deep mulch]

rosie discovered the electric light bulb

[jade stone]

who needs rollup when you have shell scripts

works on windows too

[tepid grotto]

I'm not even gonna ask

[pseudo sierra]

anything salad does is fucking insane

at some point you just stop questioning his work and start questioning where it all went wrong

[deep mulch]

yop

salad is deranged

[deep mulch]

ZSH SCRIPT

[jade stone]

cygwin

[solemn ravine]

made my zed theme a bit more readable in my eyes

changed a few colors aroudn

[winged mantle]

how come this swift code looks like zig

[solemn ravine]

it is zig lmao

my theme just makes it look that way probably

[jade stone]

@supple whale i think i've reached peak insanity

couldn't get vite to minify ssr output, so ran rspack over the generated vite output

[supple whale]

we love vite

[deep mulch]

insane

[jade stone]

press don't save
saves
what did they mean by this

that freeze isn't the video, thats zed being very fast

[placid igloo]

idk i tried zed but nothing can beat vs code

i tried it in a very early stage before windows was even officially supported tho so

[jade stone]

i think zed could get there, but it would take a few years at the very least

vscode is very polished, ive never found a bug nearly as bad as this

[tepid grotto]

I just use nano

lately though I've had to use windows so I'm using textedit which isn't as nice as nano

[deep mulch]

sadan doesnt know how to remove input from obs

[jade stone]

@deep mulch I'm using roll-up now

[deep mulch]

@jade stone saladd

[dense sand]

no just use bun and nextjs

[jade stone]

Least obvious rage bait

[dense sand]

yall just not ready for Bun

[dense sand]

Guys i need to generate mock data for my database, theres like 12 tables each referencing each other with some relationship. any ideas how to "duplicate" these entries and generate like 100 of them?

[ornate quiver]

do you not have a seed script to populate the db with test data?

[dense sand]

No

I have tried using Bun for this for my nextjs project but ot seems like bun cant do that

[ornate quiver]

well maybe look into that
if you're using an ORM they might have documented support for standalone seeding

[royal nymph]

what do you mean by ssr output? the server side code or the html sent to the client?

i assume the former because rspack can't minify html, can it?

[royal nymph]

INSANE

[pearl parrot]

get a better pc

but at the same time you should just kill sadan.zip and rewrite

[deep mulch]

teach salad how to remove input sources from obs

[tepid grotto]

@royal nymph

GNU tag
gang do I /ignore them?

[royal nymph]

wha?

[royal nymph]

yop

he doesn't know

FAKE OBS

[tepid grotto]

rms

[royal nymph]

@jade stone next time u record, press here

good things will happen

[shrewd canopy]

Depends

[tepid grotto]

I agree honestly

[tepid grotto]

depends on what though?

[tepid grotto]

nvm that question was answered

[royal nymph]

i thought he was holding a Wii

[royal nymph]

how

[deep mulch]

make venbot auto mute satan videos @royal nymph

[royal nymph]

i did

but i disabled it

[tepid grotto]

what does that mean and how do I do that?

[royal nymph]

dw about it

[shrewd canopy]

Apparently rms on new year 🎣
Didnt though he changed that much

[deep mulch]

enable

[royal nymph]

that pic is ancient

he looks way older now

he looks like a samurai now

like actually

uh oh...

[jade stone]

Server side code

[royal nymph]

why care about that

it's server side it doesn't have to be minified

[jade stone]

:clueless:

Cf workers has a limit of 3mb for code after gzip compression

[royal nymph]

how is ur code >3mb 😭

what the bloat

is that the thing where u bundle typescript etc

[jade stone]

Well, be default vites SSR output doesn't do any minification you have full variable names, etc...

[jade stone]

3mb after gzip

[royal nymph]

yeah for better stacktraces

minifying on server is pointless

yeah but u need so much code to get 3mb 😭

[jade stone]

Idk why it's so large

There are no good bundle size analyzers for vite

[royal nymph]

Vencord source is 1.5mb with inline sourcemaps and it's 50k lines of code

so you need to have like 100k lines of code to get to 3mb, and like 200k if you don't use inline maps

[royal nymph]

?

[jade stone]

I don't think so

The SSR bundle is a lot smaller than the client bundle

[royal nymph]

horror

10mb client bundle

[jade stone]

15

[royal nymph]

poor pakistani child loading your website on a 3G connection waiting 50 seconds for it to load

[jade stone]

Nop

All main pages have ssr

Plus most only actually load 200kb or smth

[royal nymph]

how does that change the fact that it's 15mb

[jade stone]

Most of the chunks aren't used by the main page

[royal nymph]

btw off topic but have u tried using typescript v7 for your thing

speed 🚀

[jade stone]

You mean like for the API? Or in the editor

[royal nymph]

for ur project where u use it to parse stuff or whatever

[jade stone]

Haven't really but I don't think it will be worth it

I'm only doing parsing, not type checking

Typescript parser has always been very fast in js

I don't think the ffi overhead will be worth it

[royal nymph]

i dont think there's much overhead in nodejs if any at all

[jade stone]

Also I don't think they have a wasm output so it's a non-starter anyway lol

[royal nymph]

https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/458

it's pretty trivial to compile go to wasm iirc

[royal nymph]

but yeah from my experience there's quite an overhead from copying data to wasm

[deep mulch]

bloatt

[royal nymph]

I tried loading SWC wasm into Discord and using it to parse Discord code but it was terribly slow

[deep mulch]

salad loves bloat

[jade stone]

Also I feel like using wasm would make the bundle size balloon

[deep mulch]

Salad adding thousands of deps

[jade stone]

Not sure tho

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[jade stone]

That's like the worst option

[royal nymph]

which I assume was due to copying large string to wasm and large json back

[jade stone]

Have you heard of acorn

[royal nymph]

ofc

I was just experimenting

[jade stone]

Ah

@royal nymph unofficial tsgo wasm build

[royal nymph]

lmao

43mb

[shrewd canopy]

One of my python projects is like 64698 lines (56197 actual lines of code) and is 5 megabytes total lol

[royal nymph]

[jade stone]

How long are those lines

[royal nymph]

average python line is 300 characters tbf

well

3.5MB unminified

663kb minified (not compressed)

240kb gzipped

[deep mulch]

sadancord

sadantify will be 500 gb

[royal nymph]

196kb brotlid

satan loves brotli

brotli makes me hungry because brot is german for bread so brotli is like breadly

oh it literally is bread (roll)

While Google's zopfli implementation of the deflate compression algorithm is named after Zöpfli, the Swiss German word for a snack-sized braided buttery bread, brotli is named after Brötli, the Swiss German word for a bread roll.[3]

[jade stone]

Nop

[royal nymph]

the brotli authors have funny names

[jade stone]

Might move to rspack because it has so much better minification

[shrewd canopy]

nvm its 2.8 mb
half is real code, other half is pycache

[royal nymph]

tbh minification doesn't even matter that much anymore

brotli is incredible

[jade stone]

Yop but I think it's funny to try and get my output as small as possible given the insanity of what I'm bundling

[royal nymph]

see how small the difference is between completely unminified and minified considering the input is 2.5x as big

if u have a minor minification difference of maybe 50kb, the brotli difference will be tiny

50kb is already very generous

I assume the diff will be more like 10kb at most

so brotli difference maybe 2kb

[jade stone]

Guhhhhh

Zed extension api so bad

It's useless

All you can really do is give an LSP server to load

Nop

Can't even close a file

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/48308

I use zed for large files because it has a bit better UI than kate

So auto save would lag zed so much

[royal nymph]

https://code.visualstudio.com

[jade stone]

Tbh vscode extension api isn't great either

Jetbrains extension api is really good

[royal nymph]

[royal nymph]

u love java

hop on webstorm

idk how people use webstorm it's slow and clunky

[jade stone]

Me when it takes five minutes to open my editor

[royal nymph]

the people who complain about vscode being slow (it's really not) would love webstorm

[royal nymph]

yeah lmao it's so slow

i really don't get why jetbrains ides are so slow

how is ur jvm app so much slower than electronware

[jade stone]

Does more

[royal nymph]

i guess? but doesn't it just use the ts lsp like vscode

i get it with java, gradle is a chonky boy

but not with typescript

does jb have their own ts lsp

[jade stone]

No

They use tsserver

(iirc, could be wrong)

[deep mulch]

salad has PC from 2006

webstorm loads fast for me

it's idea that's slow especially with new projects

has to index and download dependencies

[royal nymph]

HOP OFF WEBSTORM

zt uses webstorm then wonders why he hates web dev

[deep mulch]

I dont use webstorm

vscode more annoying web dev

I love opening it and 400 extensions load up

[royal nymph]

dont install 400 extensions easy

[royal nymph]

good, my son

[deep mulch]

impossible

too many frameworks

[jade stone]

Nop

[deep mulch]

yopp

@jade stone send me your extra graphics card

[jade stone]

Soon

[royal nymph]

i will send u my 6700xt

[lucid trail]

67

[ornate quiver]

familiarity
it is a bit slower but it works completely fine

[jade stone]

How does one get familiar with it in the first place

[royal nymph]

by using other jetbrains IDEs

[jade stone]

Oh

Yeah

[royal nymph]

idk sounds like stockholm syndrome to me

[ornate quiver]

trolleyzoom

[deep mulch]

dooo

my card is 6 years old @royal nymph

it's older than fres

[shrewd canopy]

My gpu is 14 years old 🎣

[jade stone]

turns out i was accidently bundling typescript, i removed it from the ssr bundle and it went from 6mb /1.7mb gzip to 3.5mb/800k gzip

[supple whale]

classic sadan behavior

jassub sitting at 4k weekly downloads

[swift grove]

is a server copier plugin possible

[tepid grotto]

what specifically do you mean by copy

[shrewd canopy]

Its called Templates

[swift grove]

like i want a plugin that basically copies servers even if i dont own the server like channels and stuff

[swift grove]

thats not what a template is

[tepid grotto]

okay what specifically do you mean by copy

[swift grove]

what do you mean i mean like copy the channels and stuff

[shrewd canopy]

Theyre certainly are
Just ask admin for a template link

[swift grove]

i explained

[tepid grotto]

like you just want to create channels with the same name, you want roles and permissions to be the same, you want everybody to be invited...

[swift grove]

no every admin gonna do that

[swift grove]

i dont care about anyone being invited is it possible to a pluggin to copy a server i dont own by coppying the channels and possible the roles and permitions

[patent vortex]

there's not a plugin for it

you'd need perms to see every channel anyway

[tepid grotto]

I'm not sure about plugins specifically, but it would certainly be possible to create a script of some kind that makes channels with the same name

roles and perms would be harder because you can't see all of them if you don't have perms anyway

[swift grove]

ik thats why im asking if its possible

[shrewd canopy]

No you dont lol
Theyre still returned in the API

[shrewd canopy]

All of roles are visible in the api

[swift grove]

thanks becuase i was wondering and i didnt want to get a virus from a fake pluggin

[tepid grotto]

true but are the associated perms?

[shrewd canopy]

Same thing

[tepid grotto]

wait what plugin are you talking about?

[patent vortex]

yea i realised sorry i'm dumb ignore

[tepid grotto]

you're not dumb

[swift grove]

one like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBoh6mlGA5M

[tepid grotto]

oh god it's a youtube video

hang on don't install it yet

[swift grove]

i wasnt planning on it

until i know for a fact its ok

[patent vortex]

i mean you can read the code, it's there

[swift grove]

ik that but idk what the python part is

[patent vortex]

i see no python

oh wait

the video

[swift grove]

nvm powershell

[tepid grotto]

I skimmed the code and I didn't see anything off

[swift grove]

thats what i was thinking but the vid just felt of including his others yk

so i was just being safe

[tepid grotto]

fair

did very much feel off

personally I wouldn't update without checking the repo again, but right now it looks totally legit

[placid igloo]

does vencord really have 215 roles

[patent vortex]

donors

[royal nymph]

you love donor roles

[supple whale]

yesnt

[tired vigil]

I LOVE SLOP

[fallen nebula]

When the channel also has that, i wouldn't trust it to not eat your token
https://youtu.be/kamhyCvhylw

[tepid grotto]

I mean it looks fine now though

(definately don't update though — roughly the first half of the code is dedicated to checking for updates and prompting you)

[fallen nebula]

I mean idk i didn't read the code

There's enough red flags for me not check the code at all

[supple whale]

day 1300 of AI not understanding flexbox and grid

[night sphinx]

div padding 20
div margin 10

[jade stone]

TIL tuples can have optional members

type MyTuple = [foo: number, bar?: string];
declare function doThing(param: MyTuple): void;
doThing([1]); // valid
doThing([1, undefined]); // valid
doThing([1, "myString"]); // valid

[dense sand]

congratulations, you just invented array

[valid jetty]

because thats not a tuple thats a const array

[woven mesa]

@valid jetty hiii

[valid jetty]

hiii

[tired vigil]

this is kinda useful if you want to represent alternative function signatures without using overloads
cuz u can then do something like ```ts
function asdf<T>(...args: T extends something ? [first: number, second?: number] : [value?: string]) {}

[dense sand]

have you ran this in Bun environment though for blazingly fast performance?

[valid jetty]

can we ban this individual

[supple whale]

bun trully is the firefox of js runtimes

[dense sand]

thats a good way of thinking about it

bun is like deno with superiority complex

[placid igloo]

ok but can your deno compile typescript to a .exe

[tepid grotto]

that sounds like the epitome of performance

[supple whale]

yes....

it could before bun existed iirc

[placid igloo]

oh

hmm yes good idea maybe i should open a second PR

oh it just lets me open another PR

[swift grove]

yea thats why i said there vids seem sketchy

[fallen nebula]

Big thing for Vencor
https://github.blog/changelog/2026-02-05-pinned-comments-on-github-issues/

[frosty obsidian]

feature will be useless bc no one reads

[tepid grotto]

lmao

[shrewd canopy]

Bros image is corrupted

[solemn ravine]

this might be amazing

[fallen nebula]

Oh yes forgor that

[royal nymph]

omg

so close to goodness

they should have blocked +1 comments instead

[fallen nebula]

No

+1 useful just like LGTM

[patent vortex]

microsoft wins yet again

[placid igloo]

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
It is also possible that a host key has just been changed.
The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
SHA256:
Please contact your system administrator.
Add correct host key in C:\Users\nexpid/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Offending RSA key in C:\Users\nexpid/.ssh/known_hosts:1
Host key for github.com has changed and you have requested strict checking.
Host key verification failed.
fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

love

[patent vortex]

oh sorry

[placid igloo]

stop eavesdropping

[patent vortex]

no

[tepid grotto]

are you saying you love this or calling borb your love?

[jade stone]

it grows

[jade stone]

How

[tired vigil]

MASSIVE

[pseudo sierra]

malware

[deep mulch]

salad bloat

[placid igloo]

salad.io

earn free Discord nitro right now now now

oh they pivoted https://salad.com/

lame

ugly ass cat wow

[deep mulch]

love

[placid igloo]

how do iii make the elements draggable

[tepid grotto]

i once saw a project that advertised "crypto" as one of its features, and for the details on that they said 'our code is tracked with cryptographically secure hashing mechanisms and stored on the blobchain'

[tepid grotto]

HTML draggable global attribute - HTML | MDN (archive)

[night sphinx]

Github but it uses a blockchain to store everyones repos

[tepid grotto]

horrible

just why

[royal nymph]

you have to implement drag and drop urself

if you want the easier route just use arrow buttons to move up/down one at a time

[jade stone]

doesnt discord use react dnd

[placid igloo]

it does yea

i dont wanna mess around with that

[placid igloo]

smile

[jade stone]

@lyric latch you mentioned you made m3 in solid, right

how did you end up doing the slider

when i did the m3 slider a while ago it just ended up being really cursed

[jade stone]

oh i already wrote it a while ago

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[jade stone]

cursed css if anyway wants to have a look

https://github.com/sadan4/sadan.zip/blob/web/src/components/Slider/styles.module.scss

[pseudo sierra]

salad will be banned from writing code

[jade stone]

everyone writes bad css, theres no other way to write css

[pseudo sierra]

oh no that css isn't even that bad for css I mean all of your other bs

[jade stone]

😭

[tepid grotto]

https://lavenderrelay.neocities.org/style.css

[royal nymph]

this is also bad css

you're proving his point!!

[tepid grotto]

what is bad about that?

[lucid trail]

could at least use nesting

[royal nymph]

• hardcoded colours instead of using variables
• nav * doesn't do what you mean to do, you want at least nav > *
• ch isn't really a great unit to use
• *:not(figure) the * is redundant

[tepid grotto]

fair

[ornate quiver]

css has so many funny units

[lucid trail]

TIL Hz and kHz are in css

[ornate quiver]

what the hell

what for

[lucid trail]

nothing, its in the spec tho?

of course we also have Q for quarter millimeters

finally, did you know px is 1/96 of 1 inch?

pc and pt are 1/6 and 1/72

[tepid grotto]

i did actually

[placid igloo]

bad for performance

trol

[deep mulch]

why

???

[tepid grotto]

animations probably

[fierce pendant]

i just use matcha.css or daisyui

i dont get yall

[placid igloo]

why is that just the songspotlight logo

[deep mulch]

soah

paige sharing coolest thing ever but no link

horrifying

wing would charge $500 to do that

we need to put wing out of business

[placid igloo]

oh i forgot

[ornate quiver]

woah I love

[frosty obsidian]

useful

was just thinking about this

[deep mulch]

you were trying to scam paige

showw gif

paige you're so smart and cool
wing you're evil

wing be like: give me $5000

I should unsponsor wing he's taken like $200 from me at least

[deep mulch]

yop

@young flicker lets finish gloom

[lucid trail]

a wavelength is a measure of length 😭😭😭😭😭😭

you’re looking for frequency

[patent vortex]

palm moment LOL

?

[placid igloo]

color: wavelength(3inches)

[deep mulch]

insane

that's only 3 ghz

light is in terahertz

like 483 THz for red light

[torpid solar]

tera? like terraria?

LOL

[deep mulch]

die koda die

[royal nymph]

write by hand

[lavish cloud]

Don't forget amplitude and excitation or whatever it's called in English

[fierce pendant]

haxe is a good language

[lavish cloud]

Yeah but what about the thing corresponding to saturation

[dense sand]

so ive got this PDF or XLSX worksheet, which i need to fill data with, and then convert to PDF. how should i effectively approach this in typescript? currently, i have this flow: fill data using exceljs -> convert to pdf using libreoffice-convert, but this takes 6s to process a single one

[jade stone]

I mean, how many do you have where six seconds will be a major issue

[dense sand]

250

BUT

i have discovered a fix

in the meantime

i can just convert it to PDF one time and use pdf input fields and fill them with pdf-lib

didnt know libreoffice supported these

[jade stone]

I mean you could probably just eat the second cost and multi-thread it or something

[fierce pendant]

asincjrobous

[fallow token]

opinion on token gens

yay or nay

[fallen nebula]

Why does youtube keep telling me to learn haskell...
https://youtu.be/gK0hMxJhqwM

[unkempt ember]

Because Haskell is intriguing.

[pearl dawn]

i like that

[solid gazelle]

@pearl dawn @pearl dawn

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[solid gazelle]

oh lol i had to do exactly this but in like web

[dense sand]

yea i solved this using acroforms

its much faster now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372978041286033601/1469788962410463271/NPpQZIZ.webm?ex=6988ef23&is=69879da3&hm=cec9ef0061f62368351fd78b7f30a70f817c7a4a52a4639efe24cafb4d42743f&

Can even generate in bulk

[solid gazelle]

very awesome

[dense sand]

i do it on server so i can cache it, altough pdf-lib supports browser as well, so ondemand would work too - not sure about its efficiency

[supple whale]

watch some 9-5 mfr try to export 200+ PDFs and you OOM

XD

[dense sand]

that will hopefully not happen

[supple whale]

just stream it

instead of doing that.

[dense sand]

would you say its better to do it on client?

[supple whale]

100% better do it it on the client, but you defo shouldnt be doing all in memory on a single block

zip is a streamable format

[dense sand]

yea but you need to generate the contents of the zip

[supple whale]

yeah, then cache them in OPFS/IDB

preferably OPFS because then u can have file references to zip, rather than raw memory

and u could do shit like zip-go stream it to a fsa handle

[dense sand]

so do i just scrap the worker approach, send the data required to generate the json and generate it purely on client

[supple whale]

idk

idk what ur requirements are

[dense sand]

whats opfs

[supple whale]

origin private file system

[dense sand]

the thing is the cache can be invalidated on server

idk if opfs is a client or server thing

[supple whale]

client

[dense sand]

yea so i couldnt really cache it on client

[supple whale]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File_System_API/Origin_private_file_system

[dense sand]

wait let my try to generate all 200 applications

my system runs on 30gb of free memory rn

lets see

[supple whale]

doesnt matter

browers have their own memory limit per page

which is anywhere between 400MB to 4GB

it depends on a lot of factors

[dense sand]

i see

i will be doing edits to the generation system anyways

so plenty of time to rethink this

doing it on server didnt even take much time

only about 5 seconds

and my memory wasnt even touched

atleast task manager didnt show that

[inland osprey]

hey

[placid igloo]

🐴

[dense sand]

jarred summer should get a nobel prize

[mental peak]

@pearl parrot how did you get that?

[dense sand]

nobel peace prize

[pearl parrot]

can we ban you again

Jarred summer should be imprisoned

should be a crime to make such garbage software

[dense sand]

look how fast nextjs is! blazingly fast

[fierce pendant]

Rewrite oxfmt in Zig. Make no mistakes.

[fierce pendant]

true

[tepid grotto]

did the whole ai conversations get deleted or am in just in the completely wrong chat?

[opal vessel]

you were in #🎨-theme-development during that

[royal nymph]

we don't delete conversations unless they are very against the rules

[fallen nebula]

Imagine discord users not getting side tracked

[tepid grotto]

lmao

[woven mesa]

i pushed the branch but basically skip is having issues

might make an issue on their repo

one problem is OptionSet cant be bridged

[deep mulch]

blobcatcozy~2 blobcatcozy~2 blobcatcozy~2

[dense sand]

today was a normal day like any other, I have decided to finally deploy my web application to the school server, yet my sysadmin told me I cant use Bun because "its not mature yet". I have tried to overargue him, but to no success. any ideas what to do? We dont use docker either :p

[tired vigil]

based sysadmin

[dense sand]

Ai slop?

[supple whale]

which is crazy considering its an actual drop-in replacement for nodejs

unlike bun, which promises that, but lies

and you end up with "firefox type fixes" in libraries just so they run on bun

i mean its biggest thing is the rust bindings vs the C bindings

and the TS ""support""

other than that its just fancier nodejs

that said its webgpu support is kinda goated with the sauce

well there's no deno for android i guess

thats the big diff between it and nodejs

[solid python]

testin smt dw

[patent vortex]

if only there was a channel to use bot commands and test shit in

[solid python]

mb 😭

[solid python]

[dense sand]

They said that docker isnt production ready and we will stick to lxc

multiple people tried to convince him

[pseudo sierra]

LOVE

[dense sand]

My teacher said its impossible because he can talk to you in monologue on why ur statement is wrong for literally 1.5hr

[supple whale]

yay or nay for this?

[dense sand]

i like it

[supple whale]

i decided its overkill af and removed it XD

[solid gazelle]

anilist

[supple whale]

nah i meant the card transitions

[solid gazelle]

ye ik

are you anilist dev

[supple whale]

?????????

[dense sand]

😭

[fierce pendant]

f# may be a good programming language

[ornate quiver]

seriously

bruh

[jade stone]

help

where did all the other properties go

[supple whale]

welp re-introduced the animations

in real-world its not actually ever that big, and actually looks nice in most cases

[dense sand]

glad to hear that

[supple whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077038104755589151/1470429446518345923/2026-02-09_15-41-20.mp4?ex=698b43a3&is=6989f223&hm=4ceffc1c7e854414c0f39819b629c919d0b0afb6c489e88f8d1495c600ec5dac&

like when this happens

iz nice

i have a feeling that with this UI i could convince people that this isnt electron/web

[dense sand]

the app looks real nice

[supple whale]

i'd need to change the scrolling tho, the scroll animation is still very much "web"

but i tried making my own smooth scrolling many times and it was never good

always some compromise

chrome had its own impulse scrolling, but then they removed it for some reason......

even tho it was great

[jade stone]

i should really use a virtual scroller

[supple whale]

contain and intrisic height will do 60% of the work

with almost 0 effort

[content-visibility:auto] [contain-intrinsic-size:auto_152px_auto_290.4px]

and contain-strict

in parent

https://web.dev/articles/content-visibility

LEARN

LEARN NIBBA LEARN

[jade stone]

never heard of that lol

[supple whale]

it will greatly improve render times

but it wont unfuck react's bad managment of component lists

[supple whale]

i use it a lot in my discord custom css to try to unfuck perf a lil

[doesnt help much, react is ass]

[jade stone]

@supple whale

[supple whale]

ah yes

react

95% scripting 5% rendering

[jade stone]

this seems like a good sign

[supple whale]

svelte would never ^^

<script lang='ts'>
  const modules = Array.from({ length: 28175 }, (_, i) => i)
  let selectedModule = 0
</script>

<div style='width: 100vw; height: 100vh; overflow: auto; contain: strict'>
  {#each modules as module (module)}
    <div style='width: 100%; height: 20px; border-bottom: 1px solid #eee; contain-intrinsic-height: 20px;' style:color={module === selectedModule ? 'red' : 'black'} on:click={() => { selectedModule = module }}>
      Module {module}
    </div>
  {/each}
</div>

thats with me spamming click and scrolling around the list

[jade stone]

i made BufferedScroller a while ago

[supple whale]

most of the lag is from devtools tho

[supple whale]

we love react

solve bad code with more code

:)))))

[jade stone]

?remind 3d replace unloaded elements with an empty div so the scrollbar actually means something

[delicate grove]

Alright @jade stone, in 3 days: replace unloaded elements with an empty div so the scrollbar actually means something

[supple whale]

sveltekit salesman will keep trying

[jade stone]

BufferedScroller is perfect and has no bugs

[supple whale]

OH LMAO I FORGOT CONTENT VISIBLITY ON MINE XDDDD

[supple whale]

but yeah this is why you need to define intrinsic height

so that the browser knows what the "not rendered/processed" elements should be sized as

in your case you'd probably add margin on the top and bottom with the number of els hidden * height

[jade stone]

i'm just going to use the height of the first element

something like that

[supple whale]

or you know

you could just use 2 lines of css and a functional UI framework

eh?

eh???

:DDD

[jade stone]

[tepid grotto]

I can't wait until we all add this to our themes and then discord adds it to discord and all our themes break

[supple whale]

again, this doesnt work in react

because react is shite

so discord uses virtual scrollers

which is why u cant really style the channel and user lists

because they stop rendering

so this is already a problem for discord themes

[jade stone]

@supple whale i forgot to key my data

thats why it was so bad

[supple whale]

imagine not having a lint rule for that

smh my head

:)))))))))))))))))))

[jade stone]

impossible

you do get a console warning tho

wait nevermind

it's a thing

just don't have the plugin installed

https://www.eslint-react.xyz/docs/rules/no-missing-key

[supple whale]

and you were trying to out-flex my eslint config in vc

smh my head

[jade stone]

i wasn't 😭

[supple whale]

I SAID SMH MY HEAD

[supple whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvVdFXOFcjw

[jade stone]

tf2 my beloved

[supple whale]

rust my beloved

this is my teammate i played most of the time with

i've got the least hours of my entire 5 man team

yeah, we gamed hard

[royal nymph]

go better

[worldly sigil]

smh last played aug 31st 2025? wheres the 9-5 every week wipe grind... /s

[dense sand]

I thought rust is faster than this... Yet you spent this much time compiling ||/s||

[solemn ravine]

I’m on mobile

[fallen nebula]

there's so many things wrong here

[deep mulch]

null

[fallen nebula]

[object Object]

[fleet cedar]

No swearing in this christian minecraft server

[fleet cedar]

I object

[fallen nebula]

null

[winged mantle]

((void*)0)

[dense sand]

we are [object Object]

[jade stone]

isn't the literal 0 implicitly convertable to a pointer

[winged mantle]

iirc yeah

this is what NULL is defined as though

[fallen nebula]

This reminds me of smth...
https://fxtwitter.com/henrikkniberg/status/2021203016679059847

Henrik Kniberg (@henrikkniberg)

Our release manager agent has attitude

**💬 1 🔁 2 ❤️ 91 👁️ 4.0K **

FxTwitter · Feb 10, 2026, 12:42 PM

[royal nymph]

join the phase servers

[deep mulch]

DONT

[winged mantle]

https://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2015/08/21/html-in-java/

[fallen nebula]

holy fuck this is so cool

i'm gonna do this for a school assignement

[misty zealot]

hi i made a plugin for the Frosted Glass theme that makes the background what you are playing on spotify where could i put that?

[deep mulch]

death of electron

[patent vortex]

i don't think this will happen unfortunately

[jade stone]

or just use kotlin

[safe oak]

sorry if this is the wrong channel to ask this in, but does anyone know if this works

idk if it's been fixed yet or wtv

[safe oak]

nvm it has

[tepid grotto]

guys I'm actually getting my friends to move to matrix

it's a miracle

prase be to the fsm and his noodly apendages

[winged mantle]

lmao tcc happily compiles *NULL = (void)0;

you just need to cast it to void otherwise the type doesn't match i guess

[jade stone]

Do you mean void* not void?

[winged mantle]

no I mean void

[jade stone]

I didn't know you could cast to void

[winged mantle]

you can

[jade stone]

Insane

That can't have any good uses, right

[winged mantle]

usually it's to ignore a [[nodiscard]] function's result (the cpp core guidelines prefer using std::ignore =) or unused variable (in cpp you can use [[maybe_unused]] obvs)

somehow tcc allows assigning it to a void *

[jade stone]

Oh yeah

Forgot about that

[winged mantle]

turns out this is legal in C++ but not C

void test() {
   return (void)0;
}

[tepid grotto]

ok actual question: at what point does it makes sense to use typescript instead of javascript?

beginner at programming in general or js specifically

(I was under the impression that ts is just js with types)

but also if you're just writing a short script js makes sense because you don't need to compile

like my bookmarklets (archive) are straight js because they're literally just bookmarklets

will look into this

[jade stone]

Use typescript for anything over 50 lines

[tepid grotto]

I made a very significant part of the largest script in entirely one line before properly structuring it lmao

it was like 2KB

in notepad

[winged mantle]

this sort of stuff i find very interesting

modern languages are not so ...interesting

what the odin is that

[sour wing]

Use typescript if you have to do anything with types in my opinion
if you have to ever write a comment like "this is what the object should look like" then you should be using typescript

[deep mulch]

same

[tepid grotto]

if you have to ever write a comment like "this is what the object should look like" then you should be using typescript
that's a very good line

does that include jsdoc in your opinion?

[sour wing]

Unless it's an already developed codebase and you're just adding jsdoc on top, I'd say so

typescript has replaced jsdoc in my eyes unless you really need to directly run the code without transpiling

[tepid grotto]

what are your thoughts on jsdoc in ts?

like I'm coming from a javadoc perspective where the point is really to generate documentation, not to say "this is what the types should be guys"

[sour wing]

https://typedoc.org/ you can use typedoc instead

It's basically jsdoc but with less repetition because it can take in info from the typescript types as well

[tepid grotto]

oh cool

thanks

[dense sand]

yes!

we got a DI integrated into a jvm language before gta6

[winged mantle]

gdscript bad I tried to do ++ and it just made the integer positive twice

actually no unary + just does nothing on an integer

why can't you do |i| in most programming languages :D

just make it whitespace significant

[jade stone]

@lyric latch least cursed react component i write

https://github.com/sadan4/sadan.zip/blob/web/src/components/layout/BufferedScroller/index.tsx

[deep mulch]

we have to ban sadan

[jade stone]

[royal nymph]

you love Astro not following semver

breaking change in minor

[jade stone]

Love

[royal nymph]

why

that's what the lock file is for

but that repo hasn't been worked on in so long that the pnpm lock file became incompatible with the pnpm version cloudflare uses so it got ignored

[jade stone]

Just use core pack, cloudflare uses the version defined in the packageManager field

[royal nymph]

corepack evil

[jade stone]

Nop

It's needed because pnpm loves backwards incompatible changes across minor versions

[ornate quiver]

corepack is so good

i hate that nodejs committe removed it from new nodejs

so fucking stupid

finally had a builtin way to manage different package managers

[jade stone]

I never got why they did that

[worldly sigil]

microsoft will introduce Microsoft Package Manager, which will combine the power of npm and nuget into one using Copilot AI 🔥 /j

[dense sand]

@lyric latch what do you think about moving my app from nextjs to kotler w/spring

I like the idea of data classes for entities, really love how it basically replaces lombok

• im already familiar with spring, just need to rewrite it. Not sure how can ktor handle mvc and stuff like that

Will take a look at it tho

[ornate quiver]

spring isn't really used with kotlin

ktor replaces it

[dense sand]

What about jpa?

[ornate quiver]

never heard of it

[jade stone]

Guhhhhhh

Firefox anchor support so bad

https://wpt.fyi/results/css/css-anchor-position/anchor-transition-name.html?label=experimental&label=master&aligned

[dense sand]

I havent started yet

I like jpa which i think doesnt exist in ktor

[lavish cloud]

Exposed my beloved

Only downside of Exposed is that it technically isn't async so I usually set up a threadpool worker with completablefuture

[pearl parrot]

anything away from nextjs is gonna be good

[dense sand]

Well yea im moving my midsize project to kotlin, because it's a bunch of mess in typescript

[supple whale]

simply sveltekit

:)

[winged mantle]

why would spring fix it

isn't spring kind of overengineered

[jade stone]

guhh

[winged mantle]

or maybe that's the wrong word... idk it's weird

[jade stone]

my discord is half broken

thats what i get for using a 3 month old build

[winged mantle]

spring always seemed to make things much more complex in my exper ience

like I was so confused I found it easier just to make a server using sockets directly

[jade stone]

Vencord: v1.13.7 • 7098f41c5 (Dev) - 9 Dec 2025
Client: stable ~ Vesktop v1.6.1
Platform: Win32
⚠️ Vencord DevBuild
⚠️ Has UserPlugins
⚠️ More than two weeks out of date

ignore

cant change channels

@pearl parrot @delicate root common deno W