🪅-progaming

[frosty skiff]

getting around it wasnt difficult

looking at a player then simulating a click via glfw isnt difficult

[supple whale]

yeah

its just a nice low-effort way of filtering out most doggy cheats

[frosty skiff]

yea

[supple whale]

you wont be detecting vape's hit sync anyways

so might as well jsut go for the low hanging fruit

[frosty skiff]

I mean vapes clicker & a lot more are still detected

noting how their randomisation works is quite basic

best way to avoid getting banned is to introduce click recording

[supple whale]

with a good enough config? not really? kinda but its VERY hit/miss

[frosty skiff]

its how a lot of old clickers did it cuz servers like elevate and similar had actual good anticheats

[supple whale]

you need a LOT of VERY long term herustics for it

like what uuuuh

[frosty skiff]

I mean vapes clicker isnt that configurable lol

[supple whale]

minemen was doing

[frosty skiff]

yea servers like mmc/elevate have those

[shrewd canopy]

maybe i should go few steps ahead and make kernel-level anticheat for minecraft

[frosty skiff]

i made dma cheats for mc

💀

[supple whale]

my fav is banning with resourcepacks

[frosty skiff]

I've done a lot of stuff with dma

[supple whale]

b4 ban give a cheater a server resourcepack

have them dl it

ban them

[frosty skiff]

why 😭

[supple whale]

on each user join ask "do you have X resourcepack", if they reply with yes [automatically done when u have the resourcepack hash downloaded], you instaban for alint

[shrewd canopy]

whats the point of that

[supple whale]

alting detection

across VPNs, accounts etc

[frosty skiff]

theres easier & better ways to detect alts

[supple whale]

sure, but this was way more fun XD

[frosty skiff]

I guess

[shrewd canopy]

whar

what would resourcepack do here

[frosty skiff]

mc resource packs work weirdly

i know on lunarclient they do atleast

[supple whale]

server resourcepacks download to your pc, so if you get a unique resourcepack that's unique to people that cheated, then on each user join ask them "hey do you have this rp hash downloaded" they say yes, that means they got banned before and are alting

[shrewd canopy]

oh

that seems easy to bypass (clean cache)

[supple whale]

dude it took sooooooo long for people to catch on

[supple whale]

sure, if u know it exists

almost no servers do this

afaik its unique to the one brazilian server i sold this to XD

[frosty skiff]

eh

I know a server or 2 that does similar but even better

[supple whale]

this was for 1.8

[frosty skiff]

when you switch alts on a lot of alt switchers, when you dwnld the rp from the server, it still uses the same uuid that you launched the game with

[supple whale]

so it was quite novel for its days

[frosty skiff]

so if you changed ur acc after u got banned, it'd send the banned uuid to the server on an unbanned acc when u dwnld the pack

[supple whale]

but

the UUID is the resource pack hash

which is dumped on disconnect

or did the network protocol change

[frosty skiff]

on later versions atleast, when u send a request to the server to get the resource pack

it sends your MC uuid

[supple whale]

oh yeah i see

thats new

man that'd make my life a lot easier.... ;-;

[supple whale]

nvm i dont see

the resourcepack add packet is clientbound

not serverbound

the serverbound is the response of the status

so it hasnt changed

it must be something else, not resource pack related

god this page got LONG

also a LOT of cheats dont send the statistics packets when doing a lot of interactions

so tracking those is fun

shit like fake jumps, fake attacks, fake sprinting etc

[lavish frigate]

how would you guys implement a self-updating exe

[supple whale]

god i do not miss minecraft client and server modding

[rustic turret]

same, and as time goes on it seems to get harder and harder to do

[limpid mica]

rename and create

most filesystems can do this

1. download update as program.exe.new
2. delete program.exe.old if it already exists
3. rename program.exe to program.exe.old
4. rename program.exe.new to program.exe
5. restart program

[lavish frigate]

i know of one quite popular operating system that doesnt let applications rename themselves

[frosty skiff]

wh

why

[lavish frigate]

windows locks the file while its running, disallowing modifications (including rename)

[frosty skiff]

why dont u just close the handle

u should be able to then

[pseudo sierra]

spawn a child process from a different exe, kill the main program and then update?

[supple whale]

oh shit, AI bubble is bursting rapidly this week

[lavish frigate]

right, im thinking of just embedding a script into the exe that gets run to update

[ionic lake]

ya

cant wait for all those "ai will replace programmers" sheeps to go hide

[lavish frigate]

was more so asking in case there is a better way to do this

[limpid mica]

having a stub launcher that launches the latest numbered exe is an option

[frosty skiff]

yea launcher is a good idea

[lavish frigate]

i dont think so, its a cli tool so yeah just has a built in function to self-update
ill embed a script

[deft pollen]

yo culd u check dm plsss

[nimble bone]

yo culd u b pacient plsss

[deft pollen]

yee np

[supple whale]

holy

if some1 ever shows me an UML diagriam

first thing i'm doing is kicking them in the nuts

then leaving the room and not coming back

[valid jetty]

oh i may be stupid

[frosty obsidian]

i would personally still classify a contractor as an employee for simplicity

would just be one type of employee

[valid jetty]

thank you zoot

now the code is all fixed

[frosty obsidian]

im real

[royal nymph]

countries:
    - de
    - us
    - uk
    - no
    - au

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1402368441410912296/uncaption.gif

[jade stone]

why does the color not update when scrolling
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335058334335893604/1409690191387430992/2025-08-25_20-04-39.mp4?ex=68ae4bcc&is=68acfa4c&hm=8463513f984d0fc9fbc15f4e652bbcf7aba18a1de534dc6bf38dd61f808e7804&

[nimble bone]

you need to unbreak your dreams and leave that goddamn boulevard for it to work

[unkempt ember]

I don't know but I love the vibe of the music.

[jade stone]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0U87auHx1iZTEFcq9KVdmO?si=5895a3dd15674982

[unkempt ember]

Oh, I'm gonna steal that in my local music files.

Too late.

[jade stone]

safe load

[royal nymph]

idk i asked chatgpt how to parse yaml

[unkempt ember]

According to the documentation :

safe_load(stream) parses the given stream and returns a Python object constructed from for the first document in the stream. If there are no documents in the stream, it returns None. safe_load recognizes only standard YAML tags and cannot construct an arbitrary Python object.

source : https://pyyaml.org/wiki/PyYAMLDocumentation

[fleet cedar]

Yes, schemaless yaml is broken, we all know that

[abstract fulcrum]

im thinging
https://git.swirly.architectenterprises.net/server/edpcm

[nimble bone]

^ called Green Day slop

paige will call anyone who ever charted on hot100 slop

[deep mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1402368441410912296/uncaption.gif?ex=68ae06e3&is=68acb563&hm=ff0dbd5d6efdd9aafbe880bf803d6b89bf5cd7d4b65bdaecc155d290b513fe17&

[tired vigil]

That's just how browsers work

Iirc discord shows a transparent layer for trapping mouse events when scrolling, so even if the mouse position on page doesn't update it can hide the hover effects

[jade stone]

but it works on firefox

haven't tested webkit

[tired vigil]

are you sure about that

[jade stone]

yeah

with my mouse off the desk

[tired vigil]

It still keeps the old color, it just updates when you stop scrolling

[jade stone]

well yeah that part is fine

but with chromium it doesn't update until the next time the mouse is moved

[jade stone]

how would this even work

[tired vigil]

The container listens for scroll events, and after a specific threshold it shows a div with position:absolute;inset:0;z-index:999; (or something like that) until you stop scrolling

Or just pointer-events:none on the children

[jade stone]

time to steal discord code

[tired vigil]

[jade stone]

oh hey, i wonder what this class does

[tired vigil]

[jade stone]

turns out, nothing

it's unused

[tired vigil]

Lmao

[jade stone]

this is the one that's used

[tired vigil]

It could be a lazy module that hasn't loaded yet maybe idk

[jade stone]

i loaded lazy chunks

[tired vigil]

Better performance for initial chunk indexing in dev companion when

[jade stone]

in my worktree rn

i didn't know people actually used it 😭

[tired vigil]

Stealing ur worktree rn

[tired vigil]

Literally best feature

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/tree/dev if you want to have fun™

i'm also working on an explorer for flux events

[jade stone]

oh it's almost instant now

i cache the indexing in a 2mb json file

[tired vigil]

How does that feature work?

[tired vigil]

Love
Also can i specify the .modules location

[jade stone]

haven't figured that part out yet (or worked this in a few weeks)

[jade stone]

the functionality is in the code, but i haven't implemented a setting for it yet

i want to seperate this from the vscode extension so i can use it in other projects

(making discord code explorer web interface)

[jade stone]

the whole module system is a clusterfuck tbh

[tired vigil]

that would be so epic

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/blob/dev/src/modules/cache.ts for some of the worst code of all time

[weak charm]

Just started coded for the first time on an actual python program. is it good?

[weak charm]

Not finished btw

-# PS "Clear" does not work for some reason

[ionic lake]

dont build seperate functions for every digit

take params

[weak charm]

I don't know what that is, I'm new to coding

[ionic lake]

you are learning from somewhere?

[shrewd canopy]

Thats fine, but i recommend reading pep8 and adding typehints, and maybe looking into using functools.partial like said above

[weak charm]

No

[ionic lake]

learn about taking parameters in a function

then you don't repeat yourself by making functions for each digit, you make one function and then give it the digit you want

[weak charm]

I just asked chat GPT I don't really understand

[lavish frigate]

😭😭😭😭

[neon tartan]

how exactly do I use gateway logging to see what's being sent

[shrewd canopy]

enable verbose logs if you have gw logging enabled in developer settings

[neon tartan]

yea uh

I have these enabled, what is verbose logging tho?

where do I enable it I mean

been looking for it

[neon tartan]

oh thanks

[neon tartan]

oh uh also how do I copy a certain payload

like I'm trying to get the op 2 payload

to see what discord sends for identify

[shrewd canopy]

right click the object

[neon tartan]

then?

[shrewd canopy]

the object specifically

[neon tartan]

OH

I'm dumb lmao

thanks so much!!!

[tulip warren]

https://www.broadcom.com/support/security-center/protection-bulletin/gayfemboy-malware-campaign

[lament bay]

lmao

[frosty obsidian]

its all documented btw ;)
https://docs.discord.food/topics/gateway-events#identify

[neon tartan]

I know it's documented there

but I wanted to see the exact identify payload the client sends

thanks regardless ^^

[deep mulch]

you are scary

[lavish frigate]

love

[dense sand]

wyndows

[lavish frigate]

windows cuz i cant stop winning

[jade stone]

this feels cursed

export type OutgoingMessage = Base<Report | DiffModule | ExtractModule | ModuleList | RawId | I18nValue | VersionResponse>;
export type FullOutgoingMessage = OutgoingMessage & Nonce;

export type Base<T> = ({
    ok: true;
} & T) | ({
    ok: false;
    data: null;
    error: string;
} & Omit<T, "data">);

[deep mulch]

evil

[jade stone]

how does typescript not infer this as a never return type

[supple whale]

TS lang server doesnt handle errors

like at all

[supple whale]

typescript!

mfw people struggling with this: https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/1959827658763591960

Dillon Mulroy λ (@dillon_mulroy)

without cheating, what order do these log in?

poll below

X · Aug 25, 2025, 3:58 AM

meanwhile me: https://x.com/ThaUnknown_/status/1960102465820410358

ThaUnknown_ (@ThaUnknown_)

@dillon_mulroy If some1 is interested in the "horrendously difficult" version of this :)))

X · Aug 25, 2025, 10:10 PM

.

there's so much high quality fuckery in this one

[jade stone]

AEBCD?
if it's not that then it's AECBD

[supple whale]

... jesus bro seriously?

is that an unironic statement?

[winged mantle]

i'm not that knowledgable on how the event loop works but i'd guess a, c, d, e, b

[fleet cedar]

Is that even defined in the spec?

I thought the order of such things was implementation defined

[winged mantle]

this isn't c..

[supple whale]

Promise.resolve() is not synchronous :^)

[jade stone]

well the poll says i'm correct

wait do i not understand how twitter polls work

[supple whale]

X D

[supple whale]

yep

its all in the spec

but its so horrendously complex no1 actually knows it

[winged mantle]

i suspected Promise.resolve would return some kind of dummy promise tbh

[supple whale]

it returns an actual promise

people dont understand microtasks, and promise chainign is turbo funky

because it actually does promise, microtask, promise

since the 2nd promise .then is only scheduled after the first microtask

[jade stone]

doesnt make much sense

iirc promise.resolve unwraps promises so Promise<Promise<Promise<Type>>> becomes Promise<Type>

[supple whale]

yep, which is not correct

because Promise<Promise<Type>> !== Promise<Type>

which is an unhinged statement

[jade stone]

wdym yep, which is not correct

[supple whale]

because Promise<Promise<Type>> takes 2 microtasks to resolve, and Promise<Type> only takes 1 microtask to resolve

which is why

Promise.resolve()
    .then(() => {
        console.log("Promise 1")
    })
    .then(() => {
        console.log("Promise 2");
    })


queueMicrotask(() => {
    console.log("microtask")
})

resolves as Promise1, microtask, Promise2

JAVASCRIPT!

yes I've ran into this problem, yes i wasted MANY hours

and setTimeout(cb) without a number is even more crazy

[winged mantle]

i usually don't rely on obscure promise behaviours

[jade stone]

doesnt a 0 === undefined for setTimeout

[supple whale]

because most of the time its 0

but there are cases when its 4

[winged mantle]

0 === undefined

[jade stone]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/setTimeout#delay

If this parameter is omitted, a value of 0 is used, meaning execute "immediately", or more accurately, the next event cycle.

[supple whale]

or was 0 === 4ms

hm i'd need to check

i remember this was a massive problem around chrome60

[winged mantle]

been working on designing syntax again
do not let me cook

[supple whale]

which is what tvOS is using

[winged mantle]

(I still haven't finished my parser)

[supple whale]

and where i found that problem originally

[jade stone]

wtf is the hex one

insane

just use 0x, 0o and 0b like a normal person

[winged mantle]

i took inspiration from asm

[jade stone]

hop off

[winged mantle]

the idea with arrow function is for anonymous functions instead of needing to do func () { return 0 } you can just do func () -> 0

is that genius

but not allowed for non anonymous functions because then code will look like kotlin

[supple whale]

yeah on chrome this is false

https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/renderer/core/scheduler/dom_timer.cc;l=68;drc=e7c5ae7ea3380cd3dcb7cde4d784b7bd96fdabee?q=DOMTimer

its 4ms

but there was a bug now fixed, where not defiend was treated as 1

instead of 4

which is also why the most popular process.nextTick polyfill nukes performance in browsers

because instead of being a microtask

aka microseconds

its 4ms...

so a few thousand times slower

:)))))

oh shit they changed it!

only for deeply nested timers it happens, damn my info outdated

[supple whale]

see, when networked data comes in you dont have much of a choice

it comes when it wants 🙂

[valid jetty]

why the ->

i had that in elle for a little bit

then i moved to just getting rid of it

func () 0

func (int x, int y) x + y

[frosty skiff]

rendering spotify album covers in minecraft

without using spotify api

or lastfm api

or similar

[deep mulch]

how

[jade stone]

FEAR

[frosty skiff]

its terrible like

[frosty skiff]

i hate windows

basically

doing it through the windows media control api

which is like

[deep mulch]

HORROR

[frosty skiff]

__x_ABI_CWindows_CMedia_CControl_CIGlobalSystemMediaTransportControlsSessionManagerStatics

🤑

[nimble bone]

interesting

i wanted to do this in vencord but can i call c apis in js

@jade stone

[frosty skiff]

bun ffi

$$

[nimble bone]

do i look like a buntard

[crude star]

yes

[nimble bone]

okay yes i do

[frosty skiff]

they should cosnider making stuff shorter maybe

[crude star]

on nodejs side

[jade stone]

idk how loading native .node modules works on discord desktop vs vesktop

have fun w/ that

FINALLY https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/pull/62170

[deep mulch]

@jade stone SALADDD 😭

[jade stone]

hi

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/awesomekling/status/1960338241141325966

Andreas Kling (@awesomekling)

mfw reading @ladybirdbrowser commit messages

"Atlassian login gets the base URL for its module scripts by throwing an error and pulling out the current script's URL from error.stack with regex."

X · Aug 26, 2025, 1:47 PM

[jade stone]

isnt that what vencord does as well

[jade stone]

@tired vigil soon™
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335058334335893604/1410076303834480781/4Eb6FXE.mp4?ex=68afb364&is=68ae61e4&hm=667110164cbec4e8e1920a45cc638ddbdbae18e3fe3edcc0fdd2003c5c416f76&

[royal nymph]

nop

[jade stone]

guh close enough
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/src/webpack/patchWebpack.ts#L103-L108

[pearl stag]

patchWebpack.ts: Lines 103-108

const { stack } = new Error();
if (!stack?.includes("http") || stack.match(/at \d+? \(/) || !String(this).includes("exports:{}")) {
    return;
}

const fileName = stack.match(/\/assets\/(.+?\.js)/)?.[1];

[jade stone]

@nimble bone

[frosty obsidian]

kys

[jade stone]

that's not very nice

[deep mulch]

wing has gotten mean and grumpy in his old age

[jade stone]

@deep mulch publish typescript as esm so it can be tree-shaken

[deep mulch]

never

[tired vigil]

Yooo

[jade stone]

guess what

https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/releases/tag/v1.0.1

[tired vigil]

Ill check it out once I'm home

[deep mulch]

release release

[jade stone]

how has nobody ran into this lol

it does ignore normal typescript syntax

[tired vigil]

Why are you passing this as an argument 💀

Wait is that just the type def for a method

[stark timber]

why does the top one work but the bottom one doesn't

[valid jetty]

because you cant pass an object like that

consider:

children.push(React.createElement(Route, { key, path: route, element: <Component /> }));

[stark timber]

ohh

[valid jetty]

you cannot pass state by just calling the function

[stark timber]

no that's why I'm saying

the top one works

[crude star]

other way rosie

[valid jetty]

oh hmm

wait thats freaky

[stark timber]

it's probably a problem with how I do lazy components

but I can't figure it out

[valid jetty]

is Route a lazy component

[stark timber]

and I confirmed it's loaded by the time it's called there

I'm 99% sure

[valid jetty]

is children being passed to the Routes component? (im assuming this is a react router thing?)

[stark timber]

yeah it's a patch that just injects extra stuff into the children array

[stark timber]

and it's not that either bc when I push it like that 1st one it loads the page too

so it should work

[stark timber]

and I know this is what jsx compiles to but I tried it anyway but it didn't work of course

[valid jetty]

im so confused on why the first one works

if Route has any hooks that will totally fucking fail

[stark timber]

right?? 😭

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/api/page.tsx#L36
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/webpack/module.tsx#L199

here are links if u want to see more

[valid jetty]

i wonder

if you pass () => <Route {...} /> would that work

just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks

[stark timber]

let me try

it doesn't crash anymore

but it doesn't register the page correctly

[valid jetty]

hmmmmmmm

[stark timber]

just empty

[valid jetty]

hold on how do i register routes in my extensions

[stark timber]

this is pre-rewrite btw

same patch location

and this works

[valid jetty]

ummm this is what i do ```ts
const React = await lazyDefine(
() => modules.common.React,
r => typeof r.useContext === 'function' && typeof r.createElement === 'function'
);

const unpatch = patcher.after('useContext', React, (_, res: typeof azalea.navigation) => {
if (res && res.router && res.navigator) {
logger.info('Assigning azalea.navigation...');
azalea.navigation = res;

    const routeItems = Object.values(items)
        .filter(item => item.Route)
        .map(item => new item.Route()) satisfies RouteItem[];

    // Add each route to the routes if it hasn't been added already
    for (const route of routeItems) {
        if (!res.router.routes[0].children.find(x => x.path === route.path)) {
            res.router.routes[0].children.push({
                path: route.path,
                element: (
                    // eslint-disable-next-line react/no-children-prop
                    React.createElement('div', {
                        style: {
                            background: 'var(--palette-light-grey)',
                            height: '100%',
                            overflowY: 'auto'
                        },
                        children: React.createElement(route.component)
                    })
                ),
                hasErrorBoundary: false,
                children: undefined,
                id: `0-${res.router.routes[0].children.length}`
            });
        }
    }

    res.router._internalSetRoutes(res.router.routes);
    logger.info('Successfully configured Azalea\'s Routes!');
    unpatch();
}

});

[stark timber]

yea that code is rly bad

lol

[valid jetty]

maybe it doesnt actually want a reactnode

maybe it wants an object

[stark timber]

it gets one

[valid jetty]

well

[valid jetty]

specifically this object

{
    path: route.path,
    element: (
        // eslint-disable-next-line react/no-children-prop
        React.createElement('div', {
            style: {
                background: 'var(--palette-light-grey)',
                height: '100%',
                overflowY: 'auto'
            },
            children: React.createElement(route.component)
        })
    ),
    hasErrorBoundary: false,
    children: undefined,
    id: `0-${res.router.routes[0].children.length}`
}
``` this

[stark timber]

I will show u children array

this is with the thing that crashes

at 2 is a legit one and at 3 is an injected one

ok

[valid jetty]

youre creating Component not Route for the 3rd one btw

[stark timber]

oh

my bad

[valid jetty]

that makes sense though

because of js lexical scopes and whatnot

[stark timber]

it's the same

[valid jetty]

arrow function this passthrough etc

[valid jetty]

yeah that makes more sense

SymboL ??????

[stark timber]

but no way react router checks if it's the correct function right

😭

hmm

I will try to find that

[daring badge]

the l is bipolar dw about it

[stark timber]

wtf is this

like it just goes to this

[stark timber]

this is a legit route and it calls that

OMG I FOUND IT

[valid jetty]

and im assuming thats a reference equality blehhhh

[royal nymph]

looks like https://www.npmjs.com/package/invariant

actually not specifically invariant because it would have different code I believe

maybe discord's own invariant for whatever reason

[stark timber]

wait I think it's a react router thing

[royal nymph]

well it's some kind of invariant checking

[stark timber]

it has this stuff

[royal nymph]

like

invariant(someCondition, "condition failed");

[stark timber]

that is just assert 💀

js devs rly need a library for everything

[royal nymph]

why wouldn't you use a library for this?

it's well designed and a common convention

[stark timber]

bc it's a single function

[serene elk]

yes

it's already an issue with context menu components

but there's a solution either way

[stark timber]

here I am gonna write that function

[serene elk]

right now https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/src/webpack/common/menu.ts

I haven't thought about that for new api yet

[stark timber]

type Condition = (() => boolean) | boolean;

function assert(condition: Condition, message: string) {
  if (typeof condition === "function") {
    assert(condition());
    return;
  }

  if (condition) {
    return;
  }

  throw new Error(message);
}

need whole library for this

dang

wtf

lol

[royal nymph]

this literally misses the entire point of the invariant module congrats

[stark timber]

what?

how is it different

I guess

[royal nymph]

A way to provide descriptive errors in development but generic errors in production

[serene elk]

wait til you found out that their bundler adds code to polyfill spread operator on every single module it's needed

the same functions

[royal nymph]

[serene elk]

thousands of times

[royal nymph]

the world if discord stopped trying to support IE11 (they don't even succeed in that) and instead targeted modern javascript

at least they don't polyfill async await anymore

remember when they did that

[stark timber]

why would they even want to do this if it runs in its own electron

[royal nymph]

how is their bundler config even so cooked

how do you manage to polyfill spread but not async await

[serene elk]

I genuinely dont know

[royal nymph]

they're both es6

[serene elk]

and it's insane how no dev notices it

we gotta message brandon

im tired of my app being so big!

[royal nymph]

gonna start working on discord then on day 1 I fix their bundler config and immediately quit again

[serene elk]

why dont we actually try

u messaged him in the past regarding bundler config

[royal nymph]

meh

[serene elk]

it's ironic😭

i dont really care but it's kinda dumb still

[royal nymph]

imagine if discord was sane and targeted something like ES2020

modern but still 5 years old so it has very good compatibility

[serene elk]

ngl ill try messaging him

[royal nymph]

what do u wanna send him

[serene elk]

just a heads up about the bundler config

mention it's doing polyfil on spread operator while async is still used

it shouldnt be doing that polyfil

[royal nymph]

they will fix by polyfilling async again

[serene elk]

LOOOL

[royal nymph]

[serene elk]

what is that lib called

that does polyfil with generators

[royal nymph]

honestly discord should just analyse what browsers users still use (almost no one even uses the browser version, most use the electron app) and I can guarantee you >99% of the users will be using a semi up to date browser that definitely supports ES2020

[serene elk]

remember when they merged modules together @royal nymph

[royal nymph]

regenerator runtime

[serene elk]

that was probably their smallest bundle size ever

[stark timber]

also ven the copyright infringement will be gone soon from my repo

sorry it has been there for so long

I think I violated your license like 20 times

[royal nymph]

what repo

[royal nymph]

well technically it's two polyfills

[stark timber]

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify this repo master branch

[royal nymph]

regenerator-runtime is a polyfill for generator functions

and then regenerator-transform transforms async functions to generators to regenerator runtime

[stark timber]

it's basically a copy of vencord

[royal nymph]

sadantify

[serene elk]

we need this to be continued

[stark timber]

it's being actively worked on

switch branch

[serene elk]

spicetify sucks and spotx got cooked by cef signature checking

[stark timber]

yes

I agree with that

[serene elk]

https://github.com/SpotX-Official/SpotX/issues/760#issuecomment-3217945288

[stark timber]

spicetify is so AHH

[serene elk]

this person is just crazy tho

[royal nymph]

now I'm curious

I wanna analyse discord's code and see how recent of es spec you need to use discord

do they use regex lookaround

and do they use promise.finally

those two are es2018

[stark timber]

spot x has binary patches?

[serene elk]

idk how it worked

and why it doesn't do js patches already

[stark timber]

u can do this in frontend too

idk what gabo is tho

[royal nymph]

probably patching cef

Spotify uses cef not electron

cef equivalent of electron main process is C++

so if you wanna have main process you need to write C++

that's probably what the binary patches are for

[stark timber]

ven is right

[stark timber]

but it looks like they patch the exe

😭

true

I forgot about hermes

[shrewd canopy]

I would support IE11 tbh

[royal nymph]

discord hasn't worked on IE11 for years

and the only people still using Ie11 are random government infrastructure and retro kids

[hoary sluice]

https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/Nf2J3w thoughts?

[supple whale]

seems like there's no upper price limit

[hoary sluice]

on the psu/mobo/case, etc

[hoary sluice]

not talking abt the specs

i mean like if i picked a terrible version of a part somewhere

[shrewd canopy]

I still would support IE11 for people who are using Windows 7/8.1 and aren't aware of browsers like Supermium

It wouldn't hurt me to do so

[supple whale]

https://www.lttlabs.com/products/power-supplies/corsair-rm1000x-shift

PSU is passable, mobo is bad since its asrock

which was known to kill zen5 cpus

[stark timber]

I have asrock should I be scared

[supple whale]

i'd recommend browning ur pants right now

[stark timber]

😭😭😭

[supple whale]

they'll probs refund u if it dies

but its annoying since its a week or two without a PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzDlR4omF4

[stark timber]

it’s- it’s- it’s a… p- p- prebuilt 😅😅

[supple whale]

.

[supple whale]

also i personally wouldnt go for a liquid cooler, i have a personal vendetta on them

air a good air cooler is way more than enough most of the time

[hoary sluice]

passable or good? should i get a different one?

[stark timber]

vandetta mentioned

[hoary sluice]

im gonna do more research first whether liquid is good decision for 9950x

[supple whale]

it wont fail you, and if you dont live in a great brittian-level electricity home

then you're fine

since

[hoary sluice]

whats britain level

[supple whale]

1980's wiring

[hoary sluice]

nah i live in vienna

[supple whale]

so 1960's wiring?

[hoary sluice]

lemme check

[supple whale]

anyways read the site i linked u for the psu review

[hoary sluice]

but power outages happen never and ive never had any problems with inadequate power in austria

[supple whale]

LTT is the only one that actually does competent PSU reviews

if they said its good, its good

[hoary sluice]

ok

[supple whale]

GPU is a GPU, market is fucked so do w/e u want, you're getting fucked either way

[stark timber]

get what u can afford and run away as fast as possible

[supple whale]

memroy good since 6k, i'd go for a CL28 if money was no object, but fuck cares

and ssd is an ssd for sure, you could probably snipe it for half price on amazon if you're patient

[hoary sluice]

94

[supple whale]

they have sales on M.2 SSDs quite often

and u can get them like 40% off if you're lucky

and get some 4TB

[stark timber]

ssds are cheap af on amazon

[supple whale]

""""yes""""

in america maybe

not here

.

[stark timber]

I am not in america

[hoary sluice]

how much more is cl28

[supple whale]

probably quite a bit

thats why i said "if money is no object"

[hoary sluice]

do i wait for cyber monday

[supple whale]

i dont care its your money XD

[hoary sluice]

i mean do prices drop significantly

for pc parts

[supple whale]

dont know i dont use amazon

since its not cheap here

[hoary sluice]

alr

are u in uk

[supple whale]

no

god i'd fucking kms

[hoary sluice]

what country

[hoary sluice]

understandable

[stark timber]

(censored)

[hoary sluice]

i want the best amd gpu not a good value

i watched a review it seems like xfx mercury and sapphire nitro+ and one other are the best ones but maybe you know better

[supple whale]

amd and best is not synonymous

amd is good and cheap

[stark timber]

intel too tho

I saw it on youtube shorts

so

pretty good source

[supple whale]

intel is best value for money by far

but not insanely powerful

[stark timber]

I wonder why they suddenly started making cheap gpu’s…

[supple whale]

because gpus arent expensive

nvidia and amd are simply milking people for all its worth

[stark timber]

yum

[stark timber]

this fixed it btw

thx @lyric latch @valid jetty

u are the best

doing this was never the problem

[valid jetty]

HORROR

[serene elk]

what is that 😭

that is not how you fix it

[stark timber]

yea it is

[serene elk]

adjust the way you find, not patching it to not check

[stark timber]

I just skipped the check!

[stark timber]

I will do that if there are more instances of this

[fleet cedar]

You don't skip the check, you delete the check

[valid jetty]

@stark timber find the Route component exported in webpack by spotify and then patch that to return your custom thing if a special prop is passed, then use that component instead

dont just delete the check 😭

[serene elk]

just fix the find 😭

there are multiple ways of finding a component without the api wrapping it

[valid jetty]

well no because i assume the component passed into .push is a custom Route component

when react router expects their one

[serene elk]

you are doing something wrong if you need to delete the check

[valid jetty]

yeah ^^^

[stark timber]

it's just a wrapper component for lazy

[serene elk]

then use a find that doesn't add the wrapper

show me the find

[ivory heath]

AMD is the best in a lot hardware wise they just lack good software.

Is an important distinction

[valid jetty]

patcher.after(findByName("Route"), "Route", (props, res) => {
    if (props.__extendify) return <LazyComponent />;
    return res;
});

then when pushing your children <Route __extendify /> @stark timber @stark timber PLEASE

and then just use the official Route component

[serene elk]

what is this

that has nothing to do with the issue, no offense

[stark timber]

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/api/page.tsx#L50 into
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/components/spotify.ts#L87 into
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/webpack/module.tsx#L199 and then into
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/webpack/module.tsx#L126

[valid jetty]

i assume react router expects the children routes to be the ""official"" route component

so if you patch it to return something custom and then use that official component instead of passing a custom one, you can just pass the check instead of needing to bypass it

like, the Route component elia is passing is not the one exported by spotify i assume

[shrewd canopy]

This is why I will always use only Intel CPUs

I want virtualization and hypervisors to just work

[serene elk]

nooooo why does it create promises

[stark timber]

bc it's lazy

[serene elk]

you are gonna put yourself into a place you really dont want to be

[pseudo sierra]

the 7900xtx is still faster than the 9070xt in most cases

[serene elk]

do not use promises to webpack find things

[valid jetty]

i love monads but i dont want monads in my discord filter code pls

[serene elk]

trust me you dont wanna have to deal with async

[shrewd canopy]

Why not

[valid jetty]

mildly painful

[stark timber]

I can understand that with vencord

but this is a different system

[serene elk]

it's webpack

[stark timber]

yes

[serene elk]

same thing

[shrewd canopy]

I like monads and I think it looks beautiful

[serene elk]

webpack does not use async to require modules

that itself already makes it obvious you dont wanna use async either

how do you plan to use async inside functions that are not async

just dont use promises

use proxies with sync code

[valid jetty]

is this searching for a module that passes all 3 filters???

or is it returning 3 modules that each pass their respective filter in an array

[stark timber]

level 1 proxy crook
level 999 promise boss

[valid jetty]

hmm ok

i suppose thats fine

[serene elk]

I havent looked a lot but if your api has no way of finding or waiting for things without wrapping or giving access to the plain value then it's flawed

[serene elk]

the whole code execution is sync, adding asynchronous webpack finds makes no sense

[stark timber]

I know lol

[serene elk]

you are digging a hole you dont wanna be in

[stark timber]

you're making sense

I do use proxy

for another thing

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/api/platform.ts#L12 into
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/api/platform.ts#L35 into
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/shared/lazy.ts
@serene elk

[serene elk]

yeah that's better

but if you wanna make it work for functions too you need target to be a function

not an object

[stark timber]

I don't understand proxy at all

[supple whale]

yes sure, but with all ai features off AMD will still perform worse than nvidia

[serene elk]

I have been working in an improved proxy wrapper for the new find api

I got it done already but haven't tested

[stark timber]

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/src/examplePlugin.ts
btw nookies off topic but what do u think of this

[serene elk]

you also need to redirect more of the proxy traps to the lazy found value

[serene elk]

hmmm

seems verbose

but I cant say much because I dont have a better idea

[ivory heath]

Yeah.

[stark timber]

I think you misspelled "sexy"

[serene elk]

😭

[ivory heath]

Oh wait

You said with ai features off?

Like game performance?

lol, no AMDs road house is compute

And what I was trying to imply

They make the fastest general purpose hardware in the world period

Nvidia is only worth… like 4 trillion rn because of tensor cores and the AI bubble

Wanna literally do anything fucking useful for society like weather patterns? AMD

Fastest super computers in the world? AMD

[ivory heath]

It was bad on earlier am4 but works basically flawlessly since ryzen 5000

They still push their hardware raid tho for some FUCKING reason

Any sane person would use ZFS or unraid

[shrewd canopy]

Some AMD users told me qemu-system-x86_64 -accel whpx doesn't work for them idk why

[ivory heath]

Hardware bug but fixed just update.

https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/916

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2022-03/msg05768.html

https://gitlab.com/victortoso/qemu/-/commit/fc3ccde9583b083e00ed45f930b8010ef8aaff93

[stark timber]

@lyric latch does revenge build css or naw

idk how it works

[jade stone]

is that react-router?

@deep mulch

[stark timber]

yes

[jade stone]

oh god

i have to worry about that now for native

[ivory heath]

Discord moment.

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice

[crude star]

cfg!(not(target_os = "macos"))

[valid jetty]

that's what i told them (this isn't my screenshot)

[jade stone]

soon™

[serene elk]

u could help spot x devs maybe

[jade stone]

was planning on it

[serene elk]

or promote your own mod

and dont belp

[lavish frigate]

prepare for doing this in vencord soon ill apply at discord and rewrite the entire client in rust

[supple whale]

or use yt:m like a human being

takes 5s to mod

[hoary sluice]

so true

[dense sand]

Metrolist on phone + spicetify on pc is op

[supple whale]

revanced on phone + yt:m on pc is op

AND it doesnt break every month like spicetify!

[dense sand]

Metrolist on phone is basically yt music with downloads and all m3

Its actually good

Works with ur google acc

[supple whale]

ill look at it

[dense sand]

Like im actually very happy with ir

[serene elk]

spicetify just sucks

[supple whale]

yt:m just works perfect for me

i run like 3 userscripts on it on pc and thats it

[serene elk]

u can use spotx with blocked updates no issue

[dense sand]

Spicetify never broke for me, but i never bother with updating spotify

[supple whale]

mmmmmmmmm

[shrewd canopy]

Just use mp4s

Easy

[fleet cedar]

Probably means "download yo shit"

[valid jetty]

i use spicetify too

though i can't tell whether it's spicetify or spotify but it's a memory leaking machine

i have to restart the app every few hours otherwise my whole system slows to a halt

[fleet cedar]

Like discord then

[valid jetty]

yeah

[ionic lake]

3 of us!!!

[supple whale]

yt:m bae

yt:m PWA even more bae

oh premid broke?

[deep mulch]

do@jade stone

spot x death

they all contribute to yours instead

[spark tiger]

[jade stone]

lc.wa 0xff to dec

[visual shell]

0xff to dec

255

Wolfram|Alpha • labsCore • Page 1/6

[crude star]

wrong??

it's 256

[stark timber]

I think I’ll be able to build extendify for web too

I don’t see a reason as to why I wouldn’t be able to

actually nvm

it’s possible if they expose module cache on web version

[serene elk]

there are tricks to get the cache if it's not exposed

[royal nymph]

require.cache

[ivory heath]

What is this ?

[serene elk]

they dont, but again, it's trivial to get it

with just monkey patching

[wild coral]

hmmm
i think this looks nice

[jade stone]

python

[ivory heath]

Too many nested if statements

[wild coral]

sowy

[wild coral]

not sowy

[ivory heath]

Like the if extension == none should just return. The rest of the code shouldn’t be indented in a else

[ionic lake]

why do you need to do this

[wild coral]

i didnt think about that

[ionic lake]

if this is for a eval command use jishaku

[wild coral]

no

its not

[ionic lake]

hm

[ivory heath]

I highly recommend this video https://youtu.be/CFRhGnuXG-4?si=R1lIajlUQWngnrDQ

[wild coral]

bwa

[ionic lake]

bwawa

[wild coral]

mrrp

[ivory heath]

Bwaaaa

[ivory heath]

You should probably extract out the load and unload logic into their own functions

[wild coral]

i mean perhaps

im still garbage with programming lol

[ivory heath]

Good or not just giving my two cents

[wild coral]

:3

[hoary sluice]

7900 xtx is faster on lower settings/without fsr/without frame gen

[stark timber]

can’t reach that I think

[valid jetty]

consider giving your function a more descriptive name, like no one will have any idea wtf "manageExtension" means a year from now

[winged mantle]

i mean just use elif

though i guess extension == None is a sad path

[ivory heath]

Sad path?

[winged mantle]

:(

yeah i guess it does make sense to return because it's not happy path

[ivory heath]

No? My entire argument is we shouldn’t use it because it makes state hard to manage and required more line edits to change

[winged mantle]

i mean you could make it totally acceptable by doing that

having a whole pointless level of indentation because of using else: if: is the most glaring issue

[valid jetty]

return in the extension == None block

and unindent the entire else block (get rid of the else)

[ivory heath]

I already said that and linked a video with explication

[winged mantle]

i don't like the idea of never nesting

i prefer sometimes-not-nesting

but i guess that's not a very catchy title (everyone needs nesting sometimes)

[spark tiger]

iunno haven’t watched the video

[ivory heath]

Oh it’s bullshit about how to save them

Use enums.

[ivory heath]

Oh wait he advocated for not using them period?

I just skimmed the comments and they were talking about storing them

I thought to disk

Not using booleans is mentally ill

[valid jetty]

basically tldw: use date_at rather than has_happened, use enums rather than multiple bools to ensure they don't overlap

[winged mantle]

just keep things simple

[lavish frigate]

I think if you derive PartialEq on the enum the return of the expression should be „true“ 😁

But since you are comparing against a status enum it might make more sense to use a match statement, but this depends on your use case 😁

[winged mantle]

this is js

[lavish frigate]

No 😁😁

[ivory heath]

Some things are easy to represent as single bools and if we have complex state why use multiple bools

Theo3 posts the most clickbaity shit in the world and all the comments are just people complaining about it

[valid jetty]

according to theo most times you also want when something happened, not just whether it happened

which i guess is a fair point

[winged mantle]

i saw a video saying you should always do == true or something?

oh they said always use == false

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJOqVxutukk

[ivory heath]

This is too shitty web dev minded. Very few times is this the case for me.

[valid jetty]

well he was saying in the case of a db

so yeah

[ivory heath]

Why btw?

Because of multiple returns?

[winged mantle]

i realised in that case it was actually good because of sad path :(

[ivory heath]

Most of the time if we have a if statement it’s because we have a so called “sad path” or skip behavior if a condition is met

[winged mantle]

consider iterating a grid

for (int y = 0; y < height; ++y) {
    for (int x = 0; x < width; ++x) {
    
    }
}

[ivory heath]

ah yeah in this case you could abstract out the for loops into their own function

Compute_data()
Then
Compute_data_row()

But it depends on the complexity of the internal of the for loops for when one would do that

Modern languages like c++, rust, and golang have iterators or we can make our own to avoid the double for loops

[winged mantle]

i have mostly been writing c

recently

[ivory heath]

Then this if the indented code becomes more complex

Else there is cases where it makes no sense to never nest.

[winged mantle]

i think that's a little unnecessary

[ivory heath]

If you had 20 lines in the inter for loop or more I’d make it its own function

But like 3? No

[winged mantle]

oh right extract the thing in the loop

i'm a never extractor

premature extraction is the root of all evil

[ivory heath]

You should when it makes sense and you know what you’re doing.

I don’t agree with agile or “clean code” either.

[winged mantle]

ye

[valid jetty]

this is completely pointless imo

[winged mantle]

really i think there's a lot of stuff in programming that's like tomato/tomato

[ivory heath]

Depends

[winged mantle]

in a thing i have the whole loop is a function (yes this is tetris)

(i have taken my tetris implementation very seriously)

i should commision music ...

needs an ost

[dense sand]

smartest copilot autocomplete

[lavish cloud]

This is the type of stuff I've seen promptsitutes write

[lavish cloud]

What's the point of this if you only ever use compute_data

If you used compute_data_row in other functions I'd understand but creating additional functions introduces complexity for understanding behavior

[valid jetty]

imo you only introduce a new function if any of these:

• the code you would extract is over 100loc
• there are two or more places where the code can be reasonably reused
• you're making a library and you want to give the user particular information without calling the whole function, for example a function to create a struct holding info that could otherwise be created inline in the primary function

[lavish cloud]

#2 and #3 I agree with

#1 I'd violate in nearly every codebase

[valid jetty]

yeah i violate it too

[lavish cloud]

Compose is just much easier as a single bulky function

[valid jetty]

i only follow 1 if the part i'm extracting fits better into the code i'm writing as a seperate function, but it can be a pain if you have loads of local variables you now have to pass

it's like a puzzle

[lavish cloud]

Yeah

[fleet cedar]

I extract based on number of parameters, not length

[lavish cloud]

Honestly even for #3 I often leave out some functions that'd be useful simply because it's not really intended as part of public API and there are ways to do the same thing in ways more readable for your code

[valid jetty]

that's also true

[valid jetty]

oh well yeah ofc

i'm talking like, you have some configuration that you wanna expose to the user that would otherwise be a struct literal in the primary function

[lavish cloud]

I've gotten into the habit of using custom data classes for a lot of those use-cases where you need similar args

Especially if they could be expensive to compute

[fleet cedar]

If I have 15 vars in scope and some sub-block only needs 3 of them, that would probably make sense as a separate function

[valid jetty]

real

[lavish cloud]

I only do that if I need the same sub-block elsewhere

[ivory heath]

Indentation.

I don’t think one should be doing it unless the body of the loop is extremely long like Rosie said or it makes sense for the code structure.

Having extremely long functions that does hundreds of things can make ex control flow confusing.

[ivory heath]

Both are a heavy consideration I feel for me personally.

I think absolutes are dumb

I have a internal weight of “what does this code snippet do, require, how long it is, how complex it is?” before I extract

[ivory heath]

For example if you follow this logic absolutely you can end up with 13k loc functions which are a headache.

And a real thing in multiple Google code bases.

[vapid narwhal]

idk what hes on about i dont code

but someone in a group chat with the only programmer being him asked this

[ivory heath]

Browsers do that idk how else to explain it.

They update in real time

[lavish frigate]

you put all the styles into a style tag, you continously edit the style tag to match the contents of the theme css file

[winged mantle]

i love raylib why is raylib the best engine

[lavish frigate]

as someone with a good pc i prefer the unreal engine 5, i dont want those brokies with their bad computers playing my games

[winged mantle]

why aren't triple a games made with raylib

[lavish frigate]

^

you dont think like a business man, will never get rich
its like with scammers and bad grammar, its a filter
people with good pcs = people with money = more likely to buy game and spend money on microtransactions
unreal engine 5 = performance hog = requires good pc = only people with money play = more money

[crude star]

if you make a big game with raylib itll perform worse than UE5

[lavish cloud]

It's better than most C codebases where I need to navigate through 20 or so function calls to find what's actually doing what the original function name suggests

13k LOC isn't that bad if it's for a good reason and has decent comments explaining sections where necessary

[ivory heath]

No. No comments

Arbitrary 2 letter variable names

Misleading function name

Barely any documentation

[lavish cloud]

Youre just describing my experience with codebases with functions that are very split to other functions

[ivory heath]

And I’m describing multiple source files in Google projects

[winged mantle]

you can do things without taking them to the extreme

[ivory heath]

That are 4-20k locs long functions

[winged mantle]

sometimes it's better not to create soapy clean code with single responsibilities for everything

[ivory heath]

I never argued for this.

I specifically said I hate agile and clean code

[winged mantle]

oh you did say
For example if you follow this logic absolutely

[crude star]

i hate code

[winged mantle]

nice thing with raylib is it feels way easier than an engine as a beginner...

creating basic games...

[lavish cloud]

I've got multiple 20k LOCs in a bunch of codebases and it makes it so much easier to maintain

[winged mantle]

but honestly i can only see myself moving to sdl if i do something less silly

i find raylib easier than pygame is this weird...

surely it takes a pretty complex game for an fully blown engine to pay off

most engines are also not Free Software

[winged mantle]

only if it's your code

[lavish cloud]

I really need to learn lwjgl at some point tbh, I can render stuff just fine but I can't think of a clean way to handle physics (especially joined bodies), animations and lighting/shadows

[winged mantle]

i never want 20k lines of code in a file let alone a function

[winged mantle]

low level graphics apis seem like pain

:(

writing a game in java is based though

[lavish cloud]

Kotlin but yes

[lavish cloud]

It could be worse
It could be vulkan

[winged mantle]

writing a game in java is the best troll

[lavish cloud]

Java needs to be more usable imo

[winged mantle]

idk kotlin is bloated

[lavish cloud]

It's not that bad tbh

Perf is generally the same

But it has a bunch of QOL stuff on top

[winged mantle]

i am against programming languages having useful features

[crude star]

ok golang dev

[lavish cloud]

ok rust dev

[winged mantle]

except c++ c++ is perfect

[lavish cloud]

c++ is just barely more readable than rust

[crude star]

i don't use rust

neither does toad

[winged mantle]

i do

for one project

i don't actually hate it i just troll people on the internet a lot

[lavish cloud]

this is what all modern C++ and rust code looks like to me

• unreadable as hell
• :::::::::::
  just write normal, readable and maintainable code smh

[winged mantle]

its just i think it's a language i'm more happy about other people writing than myself

[winged mantle]

c++ is definitely worse when abused

[lavish frigate]

rust definitely has a more modern syntax

[winged mantle]

wait no

rust is worse

because it allows this https://github.com/michidk/rost

[lavish cloud]

also a side note

[lavish cloud]

a really funny thing I've noticed about rust devs

is that they all seem to love certain features

and then someone else points out that its unsafe behavior

completely defeating the purpose of rust

[lavish frigate]

?

[lavish cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125227483518861312/1174328580881252422/rust.gif

[winged mantle]

i think simple c++ code can be pleasing

[lavish cloud]

the only good parts about C++ are the decent stdlib (especially compared to C), namespaces and inheritance imo

[winged mantle]

i change my opinions every 5 seconds

[lavish frigate]

my favourite rust feature is leaking boxes, i love leaking boxes

[limpid mica]

my favorite thing about C++ is that i have 15 years of experience using it

everything else is a bit meh

c++11 was amazing though (relative to c++03)

and c++23 is very usable

[winged mantle]

an opinion i've maintained for a long time is programming magic is generally bad

like qt's signals and slots

[ivory heath]

This is poorly written cpp to be fair. Why is everything getting aliased.

[winged mantle]

i have no idea how they work...

[fleet cedar]

C++? Decent stdlib?

Where?

[lavish cloud]

std::string, std::vector and std::map solve 99% of my problems with C

[supple whale]

see an important thing here is to define what is magic and what is abstraction

because for me, there's nothing better than abstraction

but most people confuse magic and abstraction

[fleet cedar]

Sure I'll accept that it's better than C

[ivory heath]

Web dev moment.

[supple whale]

yes, cope and stfu

[lavish cloud]

the only good magic is whatever the hell it is that the compose compiler plugin does

[winged mantle]

i mean like stuff that looks like it shouldn't work

[supple whale]

i do not give a single fuck how your File is implemented, what i care is reading metadata from the file

[lavish frigate]

im a python dev. i need abstraction. give me abstraction. i want so much abstraction i just have to import 1 package and execute a function to make my app work.

[supple whale]

i care about doing File.name or File.slice(0, 12)

and I could give less of a fuck whats under the file implementation

IE abstraction is bae

[lavish cloud]

you'll love APL

you can do just about anything in like 3 chars

[winged mantle]

or even stuff like reflection i've felt a bit iffy about

[lavish cloud]

2520 is the smallest number that can be divided by each of the numbers from 1 to 10 without any remainder. What is the smallest positive number that is evenly divisible by all of the numbers from 1 to 20?

  ∧/⍳20
232792560```

[supple whale]

see when something does shit without telling you its doing it, its not always that good, compilers are quite often a pain point for me, because of all the black magic they do

fuck, vite is dogshit because of how much black magic it does without telling you