🪅-progaming

[crude star]

all i know is the onion bought enron

[hoary sluice]

i dont think anyone bought enron

[crude star]

https://enron.com/pages/the-egg

[ivory heath]

Unironically an amazing website to use.

Who knew a meme could out compete all of Silicon Valley

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice i made a rhythm game in elle

the music is also original

i cant wait to chart this one

i made a pretty basic charting format

0 1136 0
0 1429 1
0 1768 2
0 2136 3
1 2588 0 500
1 2588 3 500
0 3460 1
0 3460 2
0 3884 0
0 4202 3
0 4606 1
0 4969 2
0 5298 0
0 5636 2
0 5995 1
0 5995 2
0 6363 0
0 6363 3
0 6742 1
0 6976 3
0 7354 3
1 7767 0 240
1 7767 1 240
1 8121 2 240
1 8121 3 240
0 8494 0
0 8818 1
0 9166 0
1 9485 3 240
0 9893 1
0 10247 2
0 10565 1
1 10954 0 240
0 11317 2
0 11651 3
0 12089 2
1 12427 3 240
0 12667 0
0 13075 3
0 13443 0
1 13772 1 800
1 13772 2 800

the first int is the note type: 0 = single, 1 = hold
the second int is the absolute offset in ms from the start of the song
the third int is the lane index (0-3)
the fourth int is the duration of a hold note (if it is a hold note)

i also have this song but idk if i wanna chart this one aswell

[delicate grove]

@young flicker, <t:1754281469:R>: make penis daemon

[hoary sluice]

wrong

[hoary sluice]

is this auto parsed

[valid jetty]

wdym

[valid jetty]

this is how i parse it

state := State {
    notes = io::read_to_string("charts/{}.pom".format(song_name))
        .split("\n")
        .iter()
        .map(fn(x) x.split(" ").map(i32::parse))
        .map(Note::from_i32s)
        .collect(),
    music = rl::load_music_stream("music/{}.wav".format(song_name)),
    combo = 0,
    time = 0,
};
``` idk what you mean

[dense sand]

guys 2k requests to overpass api isnt very healthy right

[austere idol]

⚠️ bruteforcing

[dense sand]

i just need to rerequest these places for latitude and longtitude

if theres a better way lmk

[austere idol]

io::read_to_string("charts/{}.pom".format(song_name))
        .split("\n")
        .iter()
        .map(fn(x) x.split(" ").map(i32::parse))
        .map(Note::from_i32s)
        .collect()

how that beautiful piping stuff is done in rust

internally

[dense sand]

mm java

[valid jetty]

not rust !!

[austere idol]

the same thing is present in rust too

that code was too convincing

[valid jetty]

yeah i know lol

[broken sierra]

I swear to lord discord

STOP MESSING AROUND MA FUCKIN ACCOUNT

[jade stone]

@deep mulch How do I do a tooltip on hover in compose

[deep mulch]

sadan blind

@jade stone https://developer.android.com/develop/ui/compose/components/tooltip#display-plain

[placid cape]

yeey

[deep mulch]

@jade stone SALAD

[jade stone]

Zooter

[jade stone]

./run

int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
int i = 0;
foo[++i] = ++i;
System.out.println(foo);

[rugged berry]

Here is your java(15.0.2) output @jade stone

[I@376b4233

[jade stone]

./run

int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
int i = 0;
foo[++i] = ++i;
for (int i = 0; i < foo.length; i++)
  System.out.println("foo@%d = %d", i, foo[i]);

[rugged berry]

@jade stone I only received java(15.0.2) error output

file0.code.java:5: error: variable i is already defined in method main(String[])
for (int i = 0; i < foo.length; i++)
         ^
file0.code.java:6: error: no suitable method found for println(String,int,int)
  System.out.println("foo@%d = %d", i, foo[i]);
            ^
    method PrintStream.println() is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(boolean) is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(char) is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(int) is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(long) is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(float) is not applicable
      (actual and formal argument lists differ in length)
    method PrintStream.println(double) is not applicable

[jade stone]

./run

int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
int i = 0;
foo[++i] = ++i;
for (int i = 0; i < foo.length; i++)
  System.out.println(String.format("foo@%d = %d", i, foo[i]));

[rugged berry]

@jade stone I only received java(15.0.2) error output

file0.code.java:5: error: variable i is already defined in method main(String[])
for (int i = 0; i < foo.length; i++)
         ^
1 error
error: compilation failed

[jade stone]

./run

int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
int i = 0;
foo[++i] = ++i;
for (int j = 0; j < foo.length; j++)
  System.out.println(String.format("foo@%d = %d", i, foo[i]));

[rugged berry]

Here is your java(15.0.2) output @jade stone

foo@2 = 3
foo@2 = 3
foo@2 = 3
foo@2 = 3
foo@2 = 3

[jade stone]

./run

int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
int i = 0;
foo[++i] = ++i;
for (int j = 0; j < foo.length; j++)
  System.out.println(String.format("foo@%d = %d", j, foo[j]));

[rugged berry]

Here is your java(15.0.2) output @jade stone

foo@0 = 1
foo@1 = 2
foo@2 = 3
foo@3 = 4
foo@4 = 5

[royal nymph]

never

[ornate quiver]

https://youtu.be/CwfKlX3rA6E

oh god

[alpine pecan]

back off

[deep mulch]

back off

[deep mulch]

why does he speak so fast then slows to normal speed

[ornate quiver]

explode

i have enough things to endlessly tinker with

[austere idol]

im about to install home-manager

[austere idol]

installed

[winged mantle]

/run

import javax.script.*;

public class Main {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws Throwable {
        ScriptEngine engine = new ScriptEngineManager().getEngineByName("nashorn");
        engine.eval(
            "var System = Java.type('java.lang.System');\n" +
            "var foo = Array(5).keys().map(k => k + 1);\n" +
            "System.out.println(foo);"
        );
    }
}

[rugged berry]

@winged mantle I only received java(15.0.2) error output

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "javax.script.ScriptEngine.eval(String)" because "<local1>" is null
	at Main.main(file0.code.java:6)

[still jolt]

you gotta love java don't you ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[lucid trail]

vibe coding hell yeah

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty when are you gonna try nixos

[frail turtle]

just spent 5 hours having to host a website locally to get access to the API in order to integrate it into a discord bot and finally got it working on the GET requests, only to have another look at the documentation, there's only one (1) POST and it doesn't do what I need it to do

[royal nymph]

okay but nix is gonna make everything else you're tinkering with more manageable

you could configure your bitwarden and such via nix and nix is just so great you should hop on

[alpine pecan]

back off

[nimble bone]

WHY would you configure your selfhostedslop with NixOs just backup the configs

ykyk

[lavish frigate]

nixos is the only good linux distro

[shrewd canopy]

BSD is the only good OS family, change my mind

[austere idol]

are you tired of waiting 2 hours while your openbsd install updates?

[nimble bone]

@torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder @torn thunder

[lavish frigate]

its true

[austere idol]

evaluation warning: `mesa.drivers` is deprecated, use `mesa` instead
evaluation warning: `mesa.drivers` is deprecated, use `mesa` instead

[hoary sluice]

i didnt know you were based

i thought anything you say is ragebait

[lavish frigate]

[hoary sluice]

use neovim @young flicker @[e-mail]@[e-mail]@[e-mail]

@young flicker @young flicker @young flicker @young flicker @young flicker @young flicker @young flicker

how did you insta 5husk me

[valid jetty]

when i decide im too happy and wanna enter my next major depressive episode

[hoary sluice]

who told you nix makes you depressed

[lucid trail]

are you using nix on mac rn?

[hoary sluice]

its all propaganda by windows users

[valid jetty]

i know someone irl who uses nixos and their config is so fucked it was honestly kinda funny

[hoary sluice]

same

he redid it recently

[lavish frigate]

the illusion of free choice
nixos ---------------------->
---------------------- a fucked up system
literally any other system ->

[shrewd canopy]

mobile moment

[alpine pecan]

not really

[runic sundial]

What

I haven't fucked up my system in like a year

[lavish frigate]

clueless

[runic sundial]

Even longer

I'm not reading the remaining context

[jade stone]

my horrorcode native node.js module worked in electron the first time

[nimble bone]

macOS ---------- |
|
|
|
v
happiness

[lavish frigate]

sorry i fucked up your macbook

[nimble bone]

which

[lavish frigate]

all of them

[ornate quiver]

why would i want to setup bitwarden on nix

[royal nymph]

i was just joking

[jade stone]

even i use docker for my vaultwarden instance

[deep mulch]

im proud of you son

[jade stone]

@deep mulch do you take backups of your vaultwarden

[deep mulch]

nop
don't know how

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/dotfiles/blob/main/common/users/docker/vw/docker_compose.yaml

so easy

[royal nymph]

1. turn it off
2. copy the data folder somewhere else
3. turn it back on

[jade stone]

insane

hop on automated backups

[royal nymph]

i only use the main db so I only need the sqlite db

i haven't backed it up since forever

cause havent changed anything

[winged mantle]

why is there barely any notable software written in smalltalk

[jade stone]

written in what

[winged mantle]

smalltalk

programming language

inspiration for objective c

hello world in squeak/smalltalk

Transcript show: 'hello world'.

[winged mantle]

FizzBuzz

1 to: 100 do: [ :x | | d3 d5 res |
    d3 := (x rem: 3) = 0.
    d5 := (x rem: 5) = 0.
    res := ''.
    
    d3 ifTrue: [res := res , 'Fizz'].
    d5 ifTrue: [res := res , 'Buzz'].
    
    res isEmpty
        ifTrue: [Transcript showln: x]
        ifFalse: [Transcript showln: res].
]

this took so long

idk haskell is probably easier

smalltalk is so object oriented that it doesn't have if statements

ifTrue is a method on booleans

[cinder egret]

vban dumb plugin request spammed everywhere

[elder yarrow]

Done!

banned @steady gale

[ornate quiver]

yeah I do too

[delicate grove]

@jade stone, <t:1754272566:R>: https://canary.discord.com/channels/@me/1124544746262634606/1401745195292299325

[dense sand]

Does anyone know how can i capture network traffic to my phone

[deep mulch]

I like to use httptoolkit

but just know apps tend to only trust their own certificate authority, so it won't work with those unless you do some work around

[dense sand]

I only want to see the packets not edit them

[deep mulch]

yes

this is viewing only

[dense sand]

Also i suppose i wont be able to see https packets?

[deep mulch]

you can

well

it'll be encrypted

I've never looked at https traffic using http toolkit

https://httptoolkit.com/blog/frida-certificate-pinning/

[dense sand]

Yea i want to see the json body primarily

[deep mulch]

should be able to

[dense sand]

Oh i need rooted device

For the frida i mean

[deep mulch]

or you can patch the app

is it your own app?

[dense sand]

Nope

Yea i know i can use revanced

[deep mulch]

try httptoolkit without root stuff and see if the requests are intercepted

[dense sand]

If it is ill decompile the app

[frosty obsidian]

its way easier to do this on an emulator

[dense sand]

my pc would explode

but yea i can maybe try

[dense sand]

@deep mulch so apparently i cant connect to internet with httptoolkit

[deep mulch]

the cert is being blocked

[glacial walrus]

zootie zoot code

[deep mulch]

@glacial walrus bwa

[pulsar marten]

thats cause True and False are objects themselves
Even better, you can overwrite ifTrue to resolve true only randomly with a 50% chance and watch as funny things begin to happen

[austere idol]

safe der mirrors?

[hoary sluice]

why are you downloading monkeytype

[austere idol]

why not

[lavish frigate]

rust is taking these guys over like the symbiote

https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk

[spark tiger]

what is going on

this is so fucking weird like it doesn't work the first time and then all other ones it does

like huh

[hoary sluice]

this looks like my github languages

[frosty obsidian]

geometry dash script

[lavish frigate]

Not sure what tools the cool kids use these days

[deep mulch]

you are trying to make geometry dash script work in gloom

[jade stone]

How do you generate this

[lavish frigate]

I used https://github-user-language-breakdown.vercel.app/

[valid jetty]

cozy

why is c++ there 😭

where is python 😭

i guess i don’t really have any python projects public most of that is private

oh and my aoc solutions aren’t in my own repo they’re in my friends repo lol

that makes sense

[valid jetty]

why do you need to generate it it will just be 100% nix

hiii

[deep mulch]

roieeee

[nimble bone]

first is ts

[hoary sluice]

BN

rntearntearntdearntdearntdearntdear

[jade stone]

typescript, ?, ?

[deep mulch]

nop

[jade stone]

based font

[winged mantle]

i wrote != nil in javascript...

[supple whale]

[winged mantle]

then i thought it would be funny to #define nil null

then i remembered js doesn't have #define

const nil = null;
const NULL = null;
const nullptr = null;
const None = null;
const Option = { None: null };
const Optional = { empty() { return null; }, of(v) { return v; } };

[royal nymph]

INSANE

[winged mantle]

tbf it was inside a string

[tired vigil]

fun fact "undefined" exists as a property on the global object... and its value is the undefined literal
you could theoretically overwrite it in a custom js environment

[royal nymph]

only in sloppy mode which no one should use in 2025

/run ```js
"use strict";

undefined = "hi";

[rugged berry]

@royal nymph I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/7e22c732-eab3-47b1-ab22-69d39b0bf261/file0.code:3
undefined = "hi";
          ^

TypeError: Cannot assign to read only property 'undefined' of object '#<Object>'
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/7e22c732-eab3-47b1-ab22-69d39b0bf261/file0.code:3:11)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[winged mantle]

so fire

[royal nymph]

why is there #

[winged mantle]

starts section

only displays if user.guild != null

[tired vigil]

I think it's a getter in browsers 😭

[winged mantle]

const undefined = null;

[tired vigil]

/run

undefined = {};
console.log(undefined, globalThis.undefined)

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @tired vigil

undefined undefined

[royal nymph]

it's just sloppy vs strict mode like I said

[winged mantle]

in sloppy mode it still seem writes are ignored

[royal nymph]

yes you can't overwrite the global

[jade stone]

yes, but void 0 always returns undefined, no matter what it's set to

[royal nymph]

but you can shadow it

/run ```js
function lol(undefined) {
console.log(undefined);
}

lol("hi");

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @royal nymph

hi

[jade stone]

you should be allowed to proxy the window in javascript

[tired vigil]

https://github.com/tc39/proposal-shadowrealm

[winged mantle]

/run

function usingNamespace(ns) {
    for (const key in ns) {
        // avoid polluting with object/array methods
        if (ns[key] === Object.prototype[key] || ns[key] === Array.prototype[key])
            continue;
        global[key] = ns[key];
    }
}

usingNamespace(Math);

console.log(max(5, 10));

[rugged berry]

@winged mantle I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/321b7a42-49e0-4ec4-a58f-cde568fc5655/file0.code:12
console.log(max(5, 10));
        ^

ReferenceError: max is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/321b7a42-49e0-4ec4-a58f-cde568fc5655/file0.code:12:9)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[winged mantle]

why...

[royal nymph]

because they are non enumerable

[winged mantle]

i wish you could do const { * } = Math;

[jade stone]

is this not just crappy with

[tired vigil]

/run

with (Math) {
  console.log(max(1, 2));
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @tired vigil

2

[winged mantle]

it's c++ style

[valid jetty]

/run

function rosieWith<T>(arg: T, callback: Function) {
    const descriptors = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(Object.getPrototypeOf(arg));

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && ((globalThis as any)[key] = descriptor.value.bind(arg));
    }

    callback();

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && delete (globalThis as any)[key];
    }
}


rosieWith([1, 2, 3], () => {
  console.log(map(x => x * 2));
}); 

console.log(map(x => x * 2));

[rugged berry]

Here is your ts(5.0.3) output @valid jetty

file0.code.ts(2,32): error TS2550: Property 'getOwnPropertyDescriptors' does not exist on type 'ObjectConstructor'. Do you need to change your target library? Try changing the 'lib' compiler option to 'es2017' or later.
file0.code.ts(4,44): error TS2550: Property 'entries' does not exist on type 'ObjectConstructor'. Do you need to change your target library? Try changing the 'lib' compiler option to 'es2017' or later.
file0.code.ts(10,44): error TS2550: Property 'entries' does not exist on type 'ObjectConstructor'. Do you need to change your target library? Try changing the 'lib' compiler option to 'es2017' or later.
file0.code.ts(17,15): error TS2304: Cannot find name 'map'.
file0.code.ts(20,13): error TS2304: Cannot find name 'map'.

[royal nymph]

you cant use with in strict mode

[valid jetty]

oh

[royal nymph]

insane code

[winged mantle]

why did you do in typescript instead of js

[valid jetty]

because i originally wrote it in typescript

/run

function rosieWith<T>(arg, callback) {
    const descriptors = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(Object.getPrototypeOf(arg));

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && (globalThis[key] = descriptor.value.bind(arg));
    }

    callback();

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && delete globalThis[key];
    }
}


rosieWith([1, 2, 3], () => {
  console.log(map(x => x * 2));
}); 

console.log(map(x => x * 2));

[rugged berry]

@valid jetty I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/8d821cd7-65d1-4fe5-b986-ff5936024388/file0.code:1
function rosieWith<T>(arg, callback) {
                  ^

SyntaxError: Unexpected token '<'
    at internalCompileFunction (node:internal/vm:73:18)
    at wrapSafe (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1176:20)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1218:27)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[valid jetty]

oh

/run

function rosieWith(arg, callback) {
    const descriptors = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(Object.getPrototypeOf(arg));

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && (globalThis[key] = descriptor.value.bind(arg));
    }

    callback();

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && delete globalThis[key];
    }
}


rosieWith([1, 2, 3], () => {
  console.log(map(x => x * 2));
}); 

console.log(map(x => x * 2));

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @valid jetty

[ 2, 4, 6 ]
/piston/jobs/33160626-898b-4cf2-b501-2552989a7245/file0.code:20
console.log(map(x => x * 2));
        ^

ReferenceError: map is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/33160626-898b-4cf2-b501-2552989a7245/file0.code:20:9)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[valid jetty]

yeah it works

see

[jade stone]

this feels incorrect

[valid jetty]

/run

function rosieWith(arg, callback) {
    const descriptors = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(Object.getPrototypeOf(arg));

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && (globalThis[key] = descriptor.value.bind(arg));
    }

    callback();

    for (const [key, descriptor] of Object.entries(descriptors)) {
        typeof descriptor.value === "function" && delete globalThis[key];
    }
}


rosieWith([1, 2, 3], () => {
  console.log("--- IN rosieWith ---");
  console.log(map(x => x * 2));
  console.log("--------------------");
}); 

console.log(map(x => x * 2));

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @valid jetty

--- IN rosieWith ---
[ 2, 4, 6 ]
--------------------
/piston/jobs/6d88160c-cbd4-4328-8828-f3b6ac451a5a/file0.code:22
console.log(map(x => x * 2));
        ^

ReferenceError: map is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/6d88160c-cbd4-4328-8828-f3b6ac451a5a/file0.code:22:9)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[valid jetty]

why are you censoring nix

[winged mantle]

/run

function usingNamespace(ns) {
    while (ns !== Object.prototype && ns !== Array.prototype && ns != null) {
        for (const desc of Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(ns))
            global[key] = desc.value;

        ns = Object.getPrototypeOf(ns);
    }
}

usingNamespace(Math);

console.log(max(5, 10));

[rugged berry]

@winged mantle I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/30146f0f-2f34-4e43-9a31-fa9ddc41c2b5/file0.code:3
        for (const desc of Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors(ns))
                                  ^

TypeError: Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptors is not a function or its return value is not iterable
    at usingNamespace (/piston/jobs/30146f0f-2f34-4e43-9a31-fa9ddc41c2b5/file0.code:3:35)
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/30146f0f-2f34-4e43-9a31-fa9ddc41c2b5/file0.code:10:1)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/antiTessie

[royal nymph]

/run ```js
function using(namespace, callback) {
const keys = Reflect.ownKeys(namespace);
const added = [];

for (const key of keys) if (!(key in globalThis)) {
    const v = namespace[key];
    globalThis[key] = typeof v === "function" ? v.bind(namespace) : v;
    added.push(key);
}

try {
    callback();
} finally {
    added.forEach(k => { delete globalThis[k]; });
}

}

using(Math, () => console.log(random()));

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @royal nymph

0.07681129048413027

[royal nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1402368441410912296/uncaption.gif

you can even do it without polluting the global by instead using eval

[valid jetty]

oh true i forgot eval exists

[winged mantle]

is there a library to do eval in rust

why are you husking... rust has a crate for garbage collection

[valid jetty]

include!(...)

[winged mantle]

rust devs are insane

[jade stone]

i think spidermonkey is written rust iirc

[royal nymph]

write to a new file in a template folder

put the code in a method marked not to mangle

compile it to an object, dlopen it, run the method

I did that in my rust discord bot

[valid jetty]

girl this is a proc macro

[winged mantle]

HORROR

[royal nymph]

how

[valid jetty]

thats what proc macros are

[royal nymph]

how do you use a macro at runtime

[winged mantle]

pretty sure no

[valid jetty]

oh

[royal nymph]

this is for runtime

[valid jetty]

i see

rust compiles proc macros to dlls and simply dlopens and runs your functions at compiler's runtime

[winged mantle]

veval
#include <stdio.h>
puts("Hello world");

[royal nymph]

use libloading::{Library, Symbol};

let clean_code = format!(
    r#"
use std::fmt::Display;

#[no_mangle]
#[allow(dead_code)]
fn eval() -> impl Display + Send {{
    format!("{{}}", {{
        {}
    }})
}}
"#,
    code
);

fs::write("code.rs", clean_code).expect("bad");
let res = Command::new("rustc")
    .args(["code.rs", "--crate-type", "dylib", "-o", "eval.so"])
    .output()?;

let res = unsafe {
    let lib = Library::new("eval.so").expect("Failed to dlopen eval.so");
    let func: Symbol<unsafe extern "C" fn() -> String> =
        lib.get(b"eval").expect("Failed to dlsym eval");
    func()
};

rate

[winged mantle]

how are you meant to access discord stuff through eval

[royal nymph]

you don't

import all of it in the boilerplate then you can access it directly

[valid jetty]

i wonder how hard it would be to make proc macros for elle

[winged mantle]

add flash player build target to elle

[tired vigil]

whar website is this

[jade stone]

https://github-user-language-breakdown.vercel.app/

[winged mantle]

i assume it just counts own repos

[royal nymph]

API responded with non-success status code: 403

[winged mantle]

so innacurate

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/TheKodeToad/squeakvm-mirror-kind-of

this repo is ruining it

i just copied an svn repo to github

[valid jetty]

use std/prelude;

fn fmt(TokenStream stream) @proc_macro {
    stream.advance(); // struct keyword
    name := stream.current_token().get_identifier().unwrap();
    
    while stream.current_token().kind != TokenKind::LeftCurly {
        stream.advance();
    }

    stream.advance(); // { punct
    
    fields := [string;];
    
    for ;; {
        if [TokenKind::Comma, TokenKind::RightCurly].contains(stream.current_token().kind) {
            stream.backward();
            fields.push(stream.current_token().get_identifier().unwrap());
            stream.advance();

            if stream.current_token().kind == TokenKind::RightCurly {
                break;
            }
        }

        stream.advance();
    }

    res := fields
        .map(fn(x, i, self) "self.{}{}".format(x, i + 1 >= self.len() ? "" : ","))
        .join("");
    fmts := (0..fields.len()).map(fn() "{{}").collect();
    
    return TokenStream::from("
        fn {}::__fmt__({} self, u64 _) {{
            $println(\"{} {}\", {});
        }
    ".format(name, name, name, fmts, res);
}

then you use it like

struct Foo @fmt {
    i32 a,
    i32[] b
}

its probably not this easy

[winged mantle]

my code working so well

unfortunately the joined at thing doesn't show on leave unless the member is cached :(

generates this code

let result = "";
if (view?.["user"]?.["guild"] != null) {
        result += view?.["user"]?.["joinedAt"] ?? "";
        result += " (stayed for ";
        result += view?.["user"]?.["membershipDuration"] ?? "";
        result += ")";
}
return result;

and code like this can be generated from user input

nothing could go wrong

i love using function constructor for microoptimisation

zod uses it too for parsing

[jade stone]

wdym

[frail turtle]

I forgot my github repo with like 90 hours of python in the past month isnt public right now lol

[ivory heath]

Why isn’t golang #1

[jade stone]

rate

[austere idol]

dynamic code modification in rust?

[placid cape]

datamining

[winged mantle]

https://www.colincornaby.me/2025/08/in-the-future-all-food-will-be-cooked-in-a-microwave-and-if-you-cant-deal-with-that-then-you-need-to-get-out-of-the-kitchen/

[cinder egret]

and they were mostly right about the fact most restaurants will use

but not a good thing…

[lavish frigate]

thats a long way to say "i cant cook and i cant appreciate the things my cooks do for me and so i want to spread more shit about how microwaves will replace cooks so i can pay my employees less"

this is the equavalent of a ceo saying "in the future all apps will be made with ai and if you cant deal with that then you need to stop using computers"

[deep mulch]

@cinder egret nerd

[frosty skiff]

writiing blog post

🤤

soontm

[ornate quiver]

love
ping me when you're done i will read

[winged mantle]

why do i do pretty nicely organised code whilst the best developers just dump every source file in the same folder and write swear words + words i'm pretty sure were banned in the 20th century in their comments

[nimble bone]

properly organised @winged mantle

[frosty skiff]

https://aprl.cat/articles/jni-reversing-part-1/

Lemme know if you like my site too

I'm working on part 2 soon, if you want me to go over anything specific lmk

I'm mainly gonna go over actually reversing JNI libraries, reversing a minecraft cheat that uses JNI for protection/drm, how the VM's classloader works, how JVMTI works etc

Also how transpilers like JNIC work and how to fight against transpilation

Same with people who proxy calls (like JNIC lol)

[gilded surge]

finally free

rust horror

[frosty skiff]

What are you compiling 😭

[gilded surge]

servo

https://github.com/servo/servo

[frosty skiff]

I seeee

[gilded surge]

im also running a 12yr old cpu with 2 cores

a friend of mine with a decent cpu compiled it to release target in 5mins

[lavish frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369311392141807726/1401642237066215515/rust_deltarune.gif

[winged mantle]

is it true most senior developers spend all day aligning things and adding comments like this

/*************************/
/* Color enum            */
/* Enumeration of Colors */
/*************************/
enum Color {
    RED   (255, 0,   0),
    GREEN (0,   255, 0),
    BLUE  (0,   0,   255),
    ORANGE(255, 120, 0),
    // ...

[crude star]

yes

this is why golang was invented mainly

[winged mantle]

cool...

[deep mulch]

so cool

"If you create more without cleaning up, crash the VM." I think you forgot "you'll" @frosty skiff

[frosty skiff]

truie

ty

[frosty skiff]

fixed

[deep mulch]

are you gonna cover local frames in the next part

your website is cool

[winged mantle]

c so good

[royal nymph]

evil

[winged mantle]

i used stringer in go

i guess it wouldn't be that hard to implement stringer for c

[winged mantle]

for some reason i got confused and just wrote struct three times

and then i wrote try inside the function...

in c

i love c

[crude star]

#define try
#define catch if (0)

[ivory heath]

C macros exist for stuff like this YK

you dont even need a tool to generate code like stringer the c compiler preprocessor can

[frosty skiff]

in the next part i plan to cover so much

inlcuding local frames & stuff

[deep mulch]

love

:blobcatcozy:

[frosty skiff]

I'm gonna write another post at some point on JVM obfuscation and I'll probably go more indepth into like

how people break ASM & stuff

same with how stuff like the stackmap works etc

[deep mulch]

ooo

will you ping me when you do

[frosty skiff]

sure

[frosty skiff]

seperate note

if you wanna know something cool im working on

full emulation of jni

I'm planning on making it run with the real vm so it doesn't need to use mock data

[jade stone]

I AM GOING TO GO FUCKING ISNANE

CHROMIUM HAS IT'S OWN FUCKIGN WINDOW FOR CLIPBAORD

X11 HURTS MY HEAD

[royal nymph]

love?

[jade stone]

the window is an orphan so i can't tell which chromiumslop app created it

i think i can get around it

the window id of the selection owner seems to be very close to the real window id

i can probably manage with some shitty heuristics

[jade stone]

@solemn ravine i want metadata for each clipboard entry (window that copied it, timestamp, icon, ...)

but each program uses it's own window as an "owner" for the selection

so it's impossible to know what window copied what

[solemn ravine]

wow

My clipboard manager just gets the current active window lol

[jade stone]

it's not just chromium lol

[jade stone]

i might do that tbh, but still

[solemn ravine]

when it comes to timestamp, its just when its saved to the sqlite db

[royal nymph]

can't you get the pid or smth

[solemn ravine]

I handle a lot of useless data like that on the apps side

[jade stone]

that's stored with the atom _NET_WM_PID which is not on every window

it is also not on any of the selection owner windows

[solemn ravine]

https://github.com/khcrysalis/Copyboard/blob/main/ClipKit/Sources/ClipKit/Storage/StorageManager%2BhistoryApplication.swift#L24-L40

[pearl stag]

StorageManager+historyApplication.swift: Lines 24-40

/// Creates an application for the current frontmost application if needed.
/// - Returns: Application object
public func createApplication(for bundle: URL? = nil) -> CBApplication? {
    guard let applicationBundleUrl = bundle ?? NSWorkspace.shared.frontmostApplication?.bundleURL else {
        return nil
    }
    
    if let existingApp = getApplication(for: applicationBundleUrl) {
        print("already exists skiping!")
        return existingApp
    }
    
    let newObject = CBApplication(context: context)
    newObject.uuid = UUID().uuidString
    newObject.bundleUrl = applicationBundleUrl
    return newObject
}

[solemn ravine]

silly

macos giving us an api just to get the frontmostApplication is kinda crazy

it gives us the path, and using that path you can just retrieve the icon with another api

[jade stone]

i think i will just use focused window until i find something that is incorrect

oh

[royal nymph]

lmao

[jade stone]

it would be fucked by things like bitwarden which clear it maybe

hmmmmm

[royal nymph]

pretty sure venmic has a similar issue with some apps just not setting basic metadata

[solemn ravine]

Focussed window just seems reasonable

[royal nymph]

[jade stone]

@royal nymph what if i hooked libx for all processes to add the pid to every window

[solemn ravine]

I dont really consider apps that arbitrarily modify the clipboard like i do

If it happens it happens the user can just copy it from my app again

[jade stone]

ok

gtk is sane and doesn't do this window bullshit

[pearl stag]

ClipboardMonitorManager.swift: Lines 79-84

private func _didChange() {
    let current = _pasteboard.changeCount
    guard current != _lastChangeCount else { return }
    _lastChangeCount = current
    _checkClipboardItems()
}

[solemn ravine]

is this considered an event

checking NSPasteboard.general.changeCount

[jade stone]

i consider events things where your thread is sleeping

that is def polling

[royal nymph]

event would be your app is suspended and waiting for the os to notify it

[solemn ravine]

when the clipboard changes that value is increased by 1

starts from 0 when you first use it

when the clipboard changes that value changes so it checks if it has changed and does what it needs to do

idk why they do this in particular

[jade stone]

i can't wait to start windows support on this

[solemn ravine]

windows got one

[jade stone]

with a good ui?

[royal nymph]

yes

native Windows feature

it's decent

[jade stone]

(i'm not talking about the native one)

that has a okish ui

[solemn ravine]

the native one is like one of the only clipboard managers with sane ui

It works as intended but as a mac user i accidentally trigger it because i use win+v for pasting and windows uses that to open the clipboard manager

[jade stone]

mac issue

insane modifier setup

[solemn ravine]

no its just win+v on mac and I accidentally trigger it bc im too used to it

switching between them is annoying because of that..

what more do you need from this..

[jade stone]

searching, longer history saved to disk, timestamps

[solemn ravine]

oh it has no searching

kind of cringe

[jade stone]

also ocr for images

idk if yours has that, but i'm adding to mine

[solemn ravine]

bro needs ocr for clipboard

Even i didnt add that

[jade stone]

ocr is soooo nice tho

[jade stone]

also i dont think it renders RTF or HTML

[solemn ravine]

criiiinge

well mine "doesnt" but it has functionality for it

Incorporating html/rtf rendering in such small cells just causing me a lot of trouble

[jade stone]

make some popout window / quick preview for it

[solemn ravine]

I was thinking of just making the user press space to show a proper preview of the clipboard contents with all the rendering, or have a config where all the cells are large and incorporate them there

[jade stone]

i like the idea of the first

maybe have some side view that shows the currently hovered item

in a bigger preview

[solemn ravine]

I will probably do both

honestly ive been holding it off lately because making UI for this sucks

ironically

[jade stone]

thats party why i came to electron

react my beloved

[solemn ravine]

all the backend work is just done but making ui just for displaying a million types of content in a good way is annoying

[jade stone]

(+ i don't have to deal with intellij and gradle)

[solemn ravine]

I wouldnt have this problem in a mobile app

[nimble bone]

are you making react clipbaord manager @jade stone

[jade stone]

yeah

react is what i know

[nimble bone]

I LOVE DOWNLOADING CHROME TO RUN A CLIPBOARD MANAGER

just vibe code UI

[jade stone]

if i make it in CEF would you be happy

jcef

[nimble bone]

yea

[jade stone]

@nimble bone you love embedding jcef in things like idea and minecraft

[ornate quiver]

i need a windows style clipboard manager for wayland
how is there no actual clipboard manager

i can't find one

[gilded surge]

isnt the wayland clipboard manager wayclip or something

or no thats clipboard provider

[spark tiger]

for some reason on mobile all codeblocks are literally different sizes

like first code block i saw had big text, than mixed text, than small text

[frosty skiff]

wat

[frosty skiff]

yeah idek doesnt happen on my phone lol

[spark tiger]

😭

[ornate quiver]

looove nice
pretty website and good writeup

a few things

• static name resolution actually looks for 3 different names I believe: one with name+parameters, one with just the name, and I can't remember the last one
• about local references; might be worth mentioning PushLocalFrame together with EnsureLocalCapacity?
• also might be worth mentioning that for jni on android: starting with Android 8, there's an unlimited amount of local references available. before android 8, it was capped at 512 without requesting extra

[frosty skiff]

uhh

ive never touched android lol

like ever

[ornate quiver]

husk
well it has jni too just thought id let you know

[frosty skiff]

ya

idk people keep telling me to get into android stuff

since i already know a lot about jni stuff

[frosty skiff]

iirc there isn't 3

there's only the short name and the long name

[ornate quiver]

ah okay

[frosty skiff]

actually looking at openjdk src they have 4?

hat

what

[ornate quiver]

tf

[frosty skiff]

lol

the jni spec only mentions 2

[deep mulch]

hop on kde

[ornate quiver]

guhh I don't wanna hop off hyprland

[deep mulch]

guhh

@ornate quiver make

you will have fun doing Wayland protocol stuff

:blobcatcozy: :blobcatcozy:

[ornate quiver]

i don't think I will

idk how to work with wayland development

[deep mulch]

it's horrid from what I heard

would be good blog post

you can write how you gone insane

[jade stone]

I am making

You will use

Wayland support will come after x11 but before windows

[ornate quiver]

oh okay good

token lagget

[jade stone]

It’s electron

So much faster than compose

(Also has built in clipboard api so I only have to handle watching it for changes)

[ornate quiver]

nvm

[jade stone]

(But that is a pain in the ass)

[jade stone]

They say while using discord

[ornate quiver]

aliucord

[jade stone]

Do you not use discord on pc at all ?

[ornate quiver]

no I do

anyways ill try and if electron is too laggy for me i might try making my own idk

[deep mulch]

800 mb memory usage for clipboard manager

insane

[ornate quiver]

and then kill myself trying to get Wayland protocol working

[jade stone]

I want to keep it lightweight

[ornate quiver]

what about just using cef

[jade stone]

No native api for reading/writing clipboard I think.

But the plus is that native code is really easy

I might port to cef if electron is too heavy

@ornate quiver i will write in jcef and get the worst of both worlds

[deep mulch]

saladddddd 😭 will do anything but use gtk or qt

[ornate quiver]

what would i even use for ui
I don't want to use qt but gtk kinda sucks

[jade stone]

Yeah

I tried compose but it sucked so hard

Idk how zt manages

[ornate quiver]

compose is amazing but compose desktop isn't really that good

[jade stone]

Yeah, I’m sure it’s great to work with on android

[ornate quiver]

and compose web sucks too @deep mulch hop off

[deep mulch]

I know

I just haven't had motivation to

[deep mulch]

native UI even non standard beats a web engine on the desktop

[frosty skiff]

Wayland stuff is fun

I was writing my own desktop widget system in rust a while ago

mainly using tinyskia for rendering

[winged mantle]

they make code unreadable

[dense sand]

why the fuck is this saying removed more lines than the original file has

the file has 30k lines and it says removed 2 million

[winged mantle]

why are you reading the file twice

why are you parrellising the filtering

it doesn't matter what language yyou use

[winged mantle]

I would personally only use macros for stuff that's different between compilers or well documented stuff which is more like a function call than cdodegen

or constants ig

as constexpr was only added in recent c

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty

@valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty

@valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

reminds me of that time i was generating aoc inputs and didnt clear the array in between so insted of generating 100k lines it tried generating 1.666716667e14 lines

[dense sand]

im running this on gh actions

so not my pc which is exploding

[spark tiger]

BRO WHAT THE FUCK

I UPDATED AND IT BROKE MY FONTS

WHAT IS THIS?????

[dense sand]

Windows moment

[placid cape]

windows

[lavish frigate]

Get scoop‘d

[nimble bone]

@lavish frigate uses Cursor

[lavish frigate]

yea

yesterday i installed https://cursor.com/cli and then i did chsh cursor or whatever the command was so im ai'd in

[spark tiger]

also they're doing a zed windows alpha test u can apply here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScSalXiYB6HO_tQeHU2U2EiezWz5fCQSftkdwD-rH8CaTWhdQ/viewform

[lavish frigate]

Alpha test…? git clone …/zed cd zed cargo build

[spark tiger]

well not everyone is willing to build a big project themselves or use unofficial builds

[lavish frigate]

Bro is too lazy to type 3 commands 😭

It’s so over

AI and TikTok has rotten everyone and everything 😭😭😭😭

[winged mantle]

i mean it would probably take at least an hour..

no?

[lavish frigate]

no

[gilded surge]

im gonna build on my craptop

terrible idea

[lavish frigate]

It takes maybe 30 minutes at most and it’s not like u have to sit here and watch you do the commands and you go OUTSIDE

[gilded surge]

if you're like me it takes more than 2 hours

[spark tiger]

what if you have a weak pc

[gilded surge]

if my craptop can compile this then anyone can compile it

[pseudo sierra]

krill issue then go touch grass while it builds

[spark tiger]

and i mean this alpha test is more for the developers to get feedback me thinks

[winged mantle]

my pc does not like compiling zed

[pseudo sierra]

ngl the compiler would be doing a bad job if it wasn't at 100% cpu usage

[winged mantle]

true

[gilded surge]

thats the rust compiler for you

very optimized for cpu usage

[pseudo sierra]

you paid for the whole cpu you will use the whole cpu

[winged mantle]

unless you want to use other apps while it's compiling

[gilded surge]

you can still mostly do that

[pseudo sierra]

just slap a -j6 or smth on it

[winged mantle]

doesn't it default to less than your cores

also -j6 would be more than my cores

[pseudo sierra]

oops

[winged mantle]

[pseudo sierra]

also I think it defaults to nproc

[royal nymph]

use -j100

for faster compile

[pseudo sierra]

real

[winged mantle]

i got a laptop with more cores but tbh i regret it because it just seems like a waste of money

4 is all you need

proceeds to complain about compile times

[pseudo sierra]

[winged mantle]

but i rarely use this laptop

soo

i refuse to believe that more powerful cpus are needed for any reason other than modern software being bloat

[gilded surge]

zed

[winged mantle]

Compiling ai_onboarding v0.1.0

[gilded surge]

estimates say this will take about 260m to compile

[winged mantle]

husk

touch grass...

[gilded surge]

im not actually using zed im just curious how long thisll take to compile...

[pseudo sierra]

I wanna say yes but also not really

[winged mantle]

yea yea i know we have really cool stuff now

but it's bloat

[pseudo sierra]

no you still do have a point

kind of

like most of the time my cpu is at less than 5% usage

and discord still lags 💔

[winged mantle]

i've been listening to old people yelling at clouds a lot lately

[placid cape]

When I compile zed, I can only have the terminal open lol

[winged mantle]

it's amazing how many crimes web developers commit

ok it only took 20m to compile zed

impressive

time to delete it now

[gilded surge]

release or dev

[winged mantle]

probably dev

[spark tiger]

yeah m4 is all you need

[frosty skiff]

true

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/dexterleng/status/1833164622733467659

Dexter Leng (@dexterleng)

@ChShersh Functional programming was created so mid devs who can’t reason about state can still make programs

X · Sep 9, 2024, 3:24 PM

[blazing haven]

true!

[ivory heath]

Weird take…. If anything functional is gonna be hard than nilly Willy state management

[royal nymph]

it's a joke 😭

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice look at this lmao

not my images

but its funny

"The function is a bit too long"

rewrites it into an even longer class

[frosty obsidian]

i hate both of these

[valid jetty]

true

or fuck even

[winged mantle]

who even writes java like this

[hoary sluice]

FUCK YOU

MY MONTH LONG VACATION JUST STARTED AND YOU IMMEDIATELY REMIND ME OF ENTERPRISE JAVA

[fleet cedar]

Is this thay Clean Code book?

All those nonsense instance fields are sooo clean

[blazing haven]

https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html

old but gold

[supple whale]

both of these are fucking awful wtf

[paper ermine]

Yooo how do I clear vencords themes that its looks for, when I enable and disable any theme I get errors that it's trying to look for old theme files I no longer have and Im trying to clear up my console.

Make sure discord is fully closed first

AppData\Roaming\Vencord\settings\settings.json

CTRL+F: enabledThemes

Remove the old ones.

[deep mulch]

terrible

[paper ermine]

I needed to clear it cause Im trying to debug a theme rn and I had those errors distracting me. No context was provided that's my b

[spark tiger]

why is react lowkey so much bloat 😭

also how tf did ppl build sites before react & svelte

[alpine pecan]

lowk

[gilded surge]

its not that difficult

[paper ermine]

I have a whole site thats ran og

[gilded surge]

all frameworks are bloat

[paper ermine]

^^

[alpine pecan]

lowk

[gilded surge]

you can make a good site with html and css

99% of the time you do not need some crazy js

[paper ermine]

I have one thats all PHP only hard coded, its my current project ^

[alpine pecan]

lowk

[spark tiger]

yeah but with frameworks like svelte you can do some like conditions easier

[spark tiger]

instead of manually adding elements and shi

[alpine pecan]

thanks for telling me

[spark tiger]

oomf is using an android 💔

[gilded surge]

what do you use???

[spark tiger]

iphone???

[gilded surge]

explod

[alpine pecan]

give me $3m @spark tiger

[spark tiger]

u can buy a new iphone for like $400 istg

[alpine pecan]

give me $400

[shrewd canopy]

Everyone should use Android

[alpine pecan]

i wouldn't buy an iphone if it was $50

[shrewd canopy]

The only sane phone

[spark tiger]

never

im not using anything nonapple anymore

[shrewd canopy]

Why

[alpine pecan]

he's special needs

[spark tiger]

cuz apple is the company of the future

[alpine pecan]

as you can see

[gilded surge]

apple is the company of several year old android hardware

[spark tiger]

okay thats just wrong

is any android as powerful as m4

[gilded surge]

yes

best android and best iphone are evenly matched computingwise basically

[spark tiger]

iphones are just perfect i dont see a reason not to use it

[shrewd canopy]

heavily locked down ecosystem

hostile to being ran on non-apple hardware

[spark tiger]

how is that a con

im buying an iphone

not some temu hardware phone and installing ios there

[shrewd canopy]

thats a con of apple itself

you can't install android on iphone either (without breaking eula of course)

[valid jetty]

its kinda intuitive once you learn it

[spark tiger]

iunno it seems much more needlessly complicated than svelte

[jade stone]

@nimble bone

[nimble bone]

who cares

sideloading is useless

also Apple locking down their operating systems to Apple devices allows for a more polished experience

bugdroid is on many different phones which gives you an ass overall experience

iOS meanwhile only runs on Apple silicon

[jade stone]

Oh

Checks out

[royal nymph]

jquery

or php

low quality ragebait @nimble bone

do better

[nimble bone]

minus "bugdroid" i meant every word

[urban isle]

That's misleading as fuck

Apple hardware is miles ahead

The software on the other hand....

[nimble bone]

it's great

[urban isle]

shit's so locked down it pmo

[nimble bone]

if you're a nerd and have 50 sideloaded apps

every OS has a target userbase ykyk

[urban isle]

Yeah

Funny that privacy-wise, iOS is better for normies than your average Android device

unless you flash a custom ROM

Google 👎

[nimble bone]

trueee

[spark tiger]

oh php right

how did i forget ts

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty my fav vibecoder

gpt 5 is out

[valid jetty]

yeah i saw

[winged mantle]

so good

[hoary sluice]

this is the most convincing part of the presentation

and then they proceed to show a github screenshot

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[ivory heath]

I think i got lost in the sause

my body convulses at the idea of writing any more HTML or HTML templates so... this was created

i dont think a similar lib exists in go..... its also somewhat slow so i implemented my own templating to avoid recompiling a page for small reasons

i guess templ does something similar

[winged mantle]

gox

[deep mulch]

what

[ivory heath]

its a joke about jsx i think

[ivory heath]

i was interested in what GROK would do with the code and... is it supposed to think this long?

[lucid trail]

the graph crimes are the funniest I've ever seen

[ivory heath]

I will be going to jail after this for my crimes

[frosty skiff]

graph crimes

cfg crimes

🤤

[lucid trail]

that looks like a celeste map

[frosty skiff]

obfuscated_data

[deep mulch]

insnaity

[frosty skiff]

this one isnt as bad

[spark tiger]

why

[hoary sluice]

is it good tho

id absolutely pay for a haskell lsp

for a good one

[spark tiger]

is there no good and free one?

[hoary sluice]

there is one but its not as great as r-a or the jetbrains jvm ones

id pay for an lsp thats as good as r-a or a good package management system like cargo

[spark tiger]

you can give me $10 and i'll lyk if it's any good 😊

sorry $9

[hoary sluice]

is that macos store

or what

[spark tiger]

yeah

[hoary sluice]

nah i want an nvim lsp not a macos ide

[spark tiger]

i randomly found it in awesome-mac with an expired domain lol

[hoary sluice]

also can u even pay in the mac store

[spark tiger]

...wdym?

[hoary sluice]

sanctions and stuff

[spark tiger]

ah u mean for me

[hoary sluice]

ye

[spark tiger]

yeah well apple is really one of the few companies that didn't really fully block shit

[hoary sluice]

oh cool

i remember kazakhstan used to rely heavily on russian infrastructure until "the incident"

now we have our own banks and everything

[spark tiger]

like you can either buy gift cards or top up your balance with like MTS (ig yk what that is?)

[hoary sluice]

i dont know

[spark tiger]

its like uh

idk what's the proper name for it but it's mobilniy operator

mobile operator?

idk

like tmobile or whatever

[hoary sluice]

isp

[spark tiger]

and like the best thing it's not some 3rd-party app, you can literally do it inside app store or settings or

or just switch your app store region

fortunately it's VERY easy to do on apple

[hoary sluice]

does russie have beeline

yes they do

can u use beeline as well

[spark tiger]

iunno tbh

i personally never used it

i just bought gift cards

and then switched to turkey

[ornate quiver]

https://www.ohyaml.wtf/

terrible

[fleet cedar]

90% of those aren't due to yaml, they're due to schemaless yaml

[hoary sluice]

philosophical question: which hdd is bigger?

[winged mantle]

this tests your kubernetes knowledge

[fleet cedar]

And of course, the latter half of the questions are random tools that use yaml, not yaml itself

[winged mantle]

i have no kubernetes knowledge but a fair bit of yaml knowledge

like what

[fleet cedar]

That one's a bad schema question, and also a "what's k18s got to do with this" question

Should've just asked what json this parses as

Which of course is a fallacious question as well, since yaml is a different tree than json, with yaml having tag? × {map, list, string, unquoted string} as opposed to json's {object, array, string, float, bool, null}

[winged mantle]

ah yes the false file format equivilence fallacy

[fleet cedar]

The 14 kinds of multiline strings are indeed cringe though

[winged mantle]

what json this parses as is fine

just imagine JSON.stringify(yaml.parse("..."))

{ "geoblock_regions": ["us", "fr", false, "sf", "in", "uk"] }

[fleet cedar]

Specifically, what json does this equate to using the json-like schema

Yaml-the-syntax just says {unquoted string "us", ..., unquoted string "no", ...}

[winged mantle]

i think that's overcomplicating it...

[fleet cedar]

The json-like schema chooses that unquoted string "no" means false and most other unquoted strings are strings

[winged mantle]

this specific yaml has an obvious json mapping and if you know about the norway problem you will be able to answer it fine

[fleet cedar]

People conflating yaml-the-syntax with yaml-with-json-schema annoys me to no end

[crude star]

aka 90% of yaml you don't have a point

[alpine pecan]

90% of those aren't due to javascript, they're due to badly written javascript

[hoary sluice]

100% of those are due to the jews

[winged mantle]

what the husk

[dense sand]

@nimble bone

[spark tiger]

if i see webpack in webtools does this mean this site sends all the source maps to the client...?

[crude star]

yes

[spark tiger]

wow sounds fun!

idk what it gets me yet

[crude star]

isnt this the 10th time you ask

[spark tiger]

well not really

i did ask about .js.map's before yeah

but it was outside devtools

so even after getting an aswer i still had no idea what it looks like in devtools

[lavish frigate]

not necessarily but usually yeah

[spark tiger]

sounds weird to me for a big airline site to do so but okay

[lavish frigate]

who gaf

you cant do a lot without the actual source code

[spark tiger]

but it makes it much much easier to get understanding of how things work

[lavish frigate]

ok

[spark tiger]

oh neat i just found a big list of all endpoints

[spark tiger]

this "ok" be evil asf

[lavish frigate]

i mean yeah what else should we answer when nobody really cares about having sourcemaps like the downside is that already experienced people can use them to maybe make it easier to understand the code (not really though).. i guess might speed up reverse engineering..? (who even does that??!) and the benefit is that if prod breaks you can debug it easier and get the site working again easier

[crude star]

nobody hire chloe

[lavish frigate]

sorry you are too late i was already hired

[supple whale]

wait...

webpack devtools....?

what?

[spark tiger]

?

[crude star]

yeah that's how it shows up when you have sourcemaps

[supple whale]

huh they added an icon?

didnt know thats possible

cool

[crude star]

i think its literally webpack specific

[supple whale]

but "sends source maps" isnt quite rigtht

if you're using inline-sourcemap, then its send together with the JS, since its inline

but if you're not using inline, then its requested by the devtools when you open devtools

and not loaded otherwise

which is why u usually want source maps enabled on prod if you're publishing source available code

since it helps, and doesnt imapct user performance

[crude star]

on one of my client mods i set the sourceurl of some eval'ed code to webpack://ModuleXXX and it showed up under the webpack section with the icon

[supple whale]

i need sourcemaps for jsc code

as counter intuitive as that is

no1 made that yet doe

[royal nymph]

don't listen to chloe she's insane, yes exposing sourcemaps is kinda bad and probably a mistake

[supple whale]

is it doe?

if ur code is source available

it doesnt matter

as long as u dont use inline sourcemaps

[royal nymph]

yes duh

do you really think airline makes their code available

[supple whale]

.

[supple whale]

airline???

who?

[royal nymph]

did you even read chat

[supple whale]

oh

eh

[spark tiger]

idk i just feel like she hates me lowkey

[supple whale]

nah

just generic unhinged behavior

[placid cape]

-10k lines 🔥

[ornate quiver]

https://blog.hyperknot.com/p/openfreemap-survived-100000-requests

[lavish frigate]

stop ruining my troll 😡 as a fellow modder we have to strive for more people putting source maps in their sites 😊

[royal nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1400108677251338353/you_cannot_huskbait_me.gif

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-those-who-know-corvid-stillwater-phonk-gif-3624124372213078304

[supple whale]

i mean really thats all it was

XD

[fleet cedar]

I managed to extract almost all of nintendo online's source code from the source maps a while ago, do yeah probably avoid that

Everything except the files only containing ts definitions, since those didn't produce any output code to put the sourcemap on

[shrewd canopy]

Nintendo will sue you soon

[lavish frigate]

Im telling Nintendo

[ionic lake]

Cope

[supple whale]

https://github.com/yarrick/iodine

wicked

[ivory heath]

I don't agree that it should be inline if a lot of casting and bit manipulation is used. Especially if its used as crap ton.

The function name makes no sense however.

[lavish frigate]

i mean if the function literally is just (a << 16) + b it doesnt make any sense its not like he says that helpers shouldnt be used just that that exact helper is stupid and sucks

even though i dislike this guy he does sum it up pretty nicely

[ivory heath]

linus was implying that b for some reason would have to be casted as well in some cases... and idk why unless it wasn't a literal uint16_t

oh yeah it isnt because they just bit shift one

so there is a little extra work its not just (a << 16) + b.
What arch tho is polluting the higher bits in a uint32 (i assume) and if were overflowing then we need to account for role over before merging.
Or why is this even rolling over... why is this code even needed...

[ivory heath]

Yes, and if it was just (a << 16) + b i would agree.

[lavish frigate]

Whelp I’m too lazy to find the patch somewhere in the mailing list so unless someone else wants to spend their time looking through that we might never know

[ornate quiver]

ngl epic response

[alpine pecan]

get bent

[alpine pecan]

but muh Clean Code...

i'm not taking advice from tim sweeny epic......

[jade stone]

@deep mulch rate

[hoary sluice]

i think he meant (a << 16) + (b & 0xffff)

but its still more understandable

[tired vigil]

classic rookie mistake

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice

[placid cape]

heh

how's it going with elle?

[ionic lake]

AI still can't file my taxes

Still can't design properly with good ux

Of course it's gonna take jobs

[fleet cedar]

I'm sure ai could file your taxes just fine

As could a proper automated system

But that wouldn't be beneficial for the taxes mafia

[winged mantle]

you love my helper

[placid cape]

shame on you

[winged mantle]

it was kinda annoying to duplicate lots of code

though tbf i did get confused by my own helper

and didn't properly use the return value\

[valid jetty]

i fixed like 5 bugs in it while making my rhythm game lol

the worst one was enums

enum type conversion specifically

when you try to cast an enum to a type of a higher weight, it reinterpret casts it to that type (which is fine for any integer)

however since floats have a different binary representation, if you have an enum with an int repr and cast it to a float (say Foo::A * 2.0) it would reinterpret cast the integer value from Foo::A into a float and break everything

so instead i made it so if there’s any floats involved, the type conversion is fully extended to do stuff like integer extension and float truncation

safe to say that was an impossible bug to debug in the rhythm game

i was making raylib rectangles and the widths and heights started being 0 when i switched to using enums for defining my layouts lmfaooooo

[hearty lintel]

is this true tho

[lavish frigate]

People like to imagine this as true but the reality is that we members of the rust cult have slowly started swapping out their existing infra with rust

[austere idol]

90% true

cloudflare uses some r*st things, but not anyone else

[hearty lintel]

not anyone else? idk if thats true

[gilded surge]

that's definitely not true

[hoary sluice]

filing tax return in Austria is pretty much just pressing a button

[lavish frigate]

okay for real now: cloudflare uses rust in "performance critical systems" citing QUIC/HTTP3 and firewall engine
AWS uses rust citing lambda, ec2 and bottlerocket os for containers
microsoft has introduced rust in windows kernel components, linux has introduced rust in hardware drivers
firefox rendering engine (specifically servo components) is written in rust, chrome has added rust support to their codebase (specifically security-critical code paths)
linux utilities are actively being made in rust, uutils coreutils strives to port the entirety of GNU coreutils to rust and together with sudo-rs is being adopted into ubuntu, along with newer tools like ripgrep or fd
asahi linux (linux for apple mac) is made almost entirely in rust
lets encrypt uses rust in its ACME protocol handling
databases like surrealdb and tikv are made almost entirely in rust

• many other day to day services are slowly converting to rust like the platform you are on right now, discord, using rust in the backend for very high usage server routes and rust in the frontend planning to speedup parts of the app
  dropbox moved to rust for critical syncing code, figma uses rust in image rendering and multi-user systems, 1password (and many more) use rust to make crossplatform core libraries
  (sadly?) a lot of web3 (crypto, blockchain) is made in rust

[hearty lintel]

very extensive list!

[lavish frigate]

there is probably a lot more but companies dont often have a reason to expose their rust usage, especially on server side

[hoary sluice]

i use rust in my voice assistant diploma thesis

[hearty lintel]

whats the most common reason why these companies are using rust

[lavish frigate]

i think one nice part of discord is that they (relatively rarely?) publish blogs on development https://discord.com/category/engineering
here is a discord blog article about rust! https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust

[lavish frigate]

rust is on the llvm so its very fast (among the fastest programming languages) meaning for, for examples, servers it can handle a lot of traffic
and it prioritizes explicitness and safety, the error handling and borrow checker catching a lot of bugs and vulnerabilities (especially on the memory side)

[austere idol]

i'm lagging behind a lot

my knowledge has already rotten

and i still dont want to touch rust

[valid jetty]

rust using llvm does not mean it is very fast

[shrewd canopy]

Rust has same speed as C or C++ if you compare rustc and clang

[austere idol]

we're talking about runtime speed or compile times?

rust is bad at compile times

[lavish frigate]

you know what i mean tho 😭 i did not want to write a paragraph on why its fast to someone who probably wouldnt understand most of it anyway

[valid jetty]

from testing

• rust is faster than C in most cases
• C can be faster than rust if you are aware of invariants you can uphold that the rust compiler can’t represent, meaning in particular cases you can beat rust

in most cases rust already has very fast general case implementations in the standard library so you’re not beating it even if you use C

but in some cases it can be faster

[lavish frigate]

its not as bad as people think, and while its annoying if you are building a project from scratch, incremental compilation make it very much bearable for developers and some lunatics (the dioxus development team) has even managed to add sub second rust hot module reloading using binary patching

[valid jetty]

my programming language with about 20k lines of rust takes like 30 seconds to compile

and that’s not a cold start that’s after all the deps compile

[valid jetty]

even runtime speeds, as i said in the paragraph under, C can be faster if you are aware of invariants the rust compiler isn’t

like particular unsafe memory operations

[hearty lintel]

yea i probably wont, but i love hearing people yap about stuff they know a lot about

[valid jetty]

that the rust compiler can’t guarantee safety for and a C compiler could optimize better

[valid jetty]

btw it’s not hard to do this with a traditional language model

compile your bulk code once, compile the hot module into a dylib, then dlopen and dlsym, when you need to reload you compile the small module very quickly and reload the dylib

unfortunately rust is rust

[royal nymph]

lc.gem tldr?

[visual shell]

tldr?

It's clear from your detailed list that Rust is rapidly gaining traction across a wide range of applications.

Here's the TL;DR:

Rust has become a go-to language for performance, reliability, and security. It's being adopted by major tech companies like Cloudflare, AWS, and Microsoft for core, mission-critical systems such as operating system kernels, infrastructure, and firewalls. In the open-source world, projects like the Linux kernel and various utilities are turning to Rust for better performance and safety. The language's strengths in handling memory and concurrency safely make it ideal for building everything from new web browsers to essential cloud services and cross-platform applications.

Gemini • Gemini may display inaccurate info, so double-check its responses.

[hearty lintel]

so why is rust fast? cuz of its standard library?

[valid jetty]

• fast implementations for common things in the stdlib like vectors and iterators (and on that note iterators are compiled to loops)
• memory safety adds extra optimizations the rust compiler can make because of assumptions about the memory
• loads of the stdlib are zero cost abstractions
• aggressive inlining
• the type system is powerful enough that you can prove more things at compile time rather than needing runtime assertions for it
• llvm (though they raise this down to llvm ir from their own mir on which they perform some basic optimizations)

i’m sure there’s more

[hearty lintel]

what is mir? this? https://llvm.org/docs/MIRLangRef.html#introduction

[lavish frigate]

i wonder what made the llvm devs choose this as their logo

fire?

wait what 😭

[hoary sluice]

hui

[royal nymph]

goes super hard

[lavish frigate]

so true

[valid jetty]

rust has their own intermediate representation called Mid-level IR (MIR) constructed from High-level IR (HIR) constructed from high level rust code

becomes lower and lower level until they pass it to llvm for the final optimizations and stuff