🪅-progaming

[winged mantle]

values have to have a size to exist in memory

[valid jetty]

it works just like you can define an empty vec without a type annotation and then push some T into it and the vec is inferred to be T

rust doesn’t know what type the integer is when you first define it, it infers it later from context

[winged mantle]

horror

that should be explicit

[valid jetty]

well if rust can’t determine what type it is, it will usually guess i32, however like 九八 said, if you’re passing it to a trait object you need to specify because rust might guess wrong and break stuff

[winged mantle]

IMO types should only be infered from the initial declaration of a variable

[tired vigil]

that would be kinda annoying tho
imagine having to explicitly define the type in .into::<T> or .collect::<T>, just to pass the variable to a function that expects this type anyway
(since the type of the variable can't be inferred on its own, unless there is only a single trait that accepts this specific T)

honestly typescript should add rust's type inference

[winged mantle]

horror

i find it weird for a language all about safety to have advanced inference like this where IMO being explicit wouldn't hurt as well as macros
i doubt rust's implementations of either reduce safety in practice, but I think they can hurt readability
it feels weird because a lot of stuff is more verbose so it feels like it mainly serves to balance this issue xD

[valid jetty]

rust is a very verbose language, having heavy inference helps combat that

like for example elle’s inference isn’t as good but it’s a managed language so the verbosity isn’t as much there

there’s a balance

[fleet cedar]

I have never seen any evicence for the claim that rust us verbose

[lavish cloud]

You need to stop having your eyes closed when it's presented to you in that case

[astral swallow]

how i can easy edit discord color pallete?
early (before discord theme update) i can edit "hsl" values to these result
But in new versions it not working

--theme-h: 0;
--theme-s: 0%;
--theme-l: 19%;

I`m tried edit this values but it dont work too..

[lavish frigate]

JavaScript really is the most advanced programming language

[spark tiger]

how does it work

[lucid trail]

https://jsdate.wtf/ its pretty insane

[spark tiger]

yuh i got 9/28

[dawn ledge]

only cares about the september 11 part

[spark tiger]

how

is it cuz im on firefox

[dawn ledge]

works in chrome

[spark tiger]

[dawn ledge]

i guess firefox handles date parsing PROPERLY

[spark tiger]

i mean

[dawn ledge]

nvm then

js fucking sucks

[lavish frigate]

i think there is another much better solution here that you can use if you clear your mind of the whole needing to have everything be a giant "array" of any type thing
(like structs.... crazy concept i know!)

tbh as a javascript developer idk i only know objects they seem similar tho idk

this is why new projects always have a million deps

[ionic lake]

firefox handles it differently

[supple whale]

what doesnt firefox handle differently

[frosty skiff]

https://fixvx.com/tolly_xyz/status/1937579120176533880?s=46

ᴛᴏʟʟʏ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (@tolly_xyz)

i dont get why people say C is so fast. when i use ffmpeg to convert a video from 4k to 1080p it takes minutes, but when i click the button on youtube, javascript converts it in less than a second?

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 24, 2025, 6:30 PM

[lavish frigate]

😭

[blazing haven]

😭

[tired vigil]

Why do you need a whole ass library for a conditional

[lavish frigate]

why do you even need a conditional when round()

[crude star]

dude so fucking true

[crude star]

this is why you use julia because it ships all the numpy bloat you need in the stdlib

[dawn ledge]

yeah let me just have a 5000 bit long integer

[supple whale]

least insane permission system

[dawn ledge]

🥰

just use a language that has packed structs and variable lengths integers
and have a packed struct with u1 fields, way easier to work with

[shrewd canopy]

625 bytes

[winged mantle]

is there a js lib for packed structs

[supple whale]

import v8 from 'v8'

const binary = v8.serialize(object)

[winged mantle]

what if there was like a bigint backed proxy

[spice token]

gaming

[winged mantle]

const myStruct = packedStruct({
    hp: 5,    
    alive: 1,
});

console.log(myStruct.hp); // 0
console.log(myStruct.alive); // false

myStruct.alive = true;

console.log(myStruct.bits().toString(2)); // 100000

/run

function packedStruct(def) {
    let bits = 0n;
    const result = {
        getBits() {
            return bits;
        }
    };

    let offset = 0n;
    for (const [key, size] of Object.entries(def)) {
        const mask = BigInt(parseInt("1".repeat(size), 2)) << offset;
        const thisOffset = offset;

        Object.defineProperty(result, key, {
            enumerable: true,
            get() {
                const masked = (bits & mask) >> thisOffset;
                
                if (size === 1)
                    return masked !== 0;
                else
                    return masked;
            },
            set(value) {
                value = BigInt(value);
                value <<= thisOffset;
                value &= mask;
                bits |= value;
            }
        });

        offset += BigInt(size);
    }

    return result;
}
const myStruct = packedStruct({
    hp: 5,    
    alive: 1,
});

console.log("HP: " + myStruct.hp);
console.log("Alive: " + myStruct.alive);

myStruct.alive = true;

console.log("Alive after update: " + myStruct.alive);

console.log("Raw bits: " + myStruct.getBits().toString(2));

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @winged mantle

HP: 0
Alive: true
Alive after update: true
Raw bits: 100000

[dawn ledge]

this has no perf benefits a real packed struct has btw

if anything its worse

[winged mantle]

yeah but it's funny

[supple whale]

/run

const v8 = require('v8')

class Packeted {
  constructor(bits) {
    if (bits) {
      for (const [key, value] of Object.entries(v8.deserialize(bits))) {
        this[key] = value
      }
    }
  }
  get bits () {
    return v8.serialize(this)
  }
}
const x = new Packeted()
x.test = 12
console.log(x.bits)
console.log(new Packeted(x.bits))

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @supple whale

<Buffer ff 0f 6f 22 04 74 65 73 74 49 18 7b 01>
Packeted { test: 12 }

[supple whale]

eh

[winged mantle]

lame

implementation depednent

[valid jetty]

..why

[winged mantle]

IT WORKS

[valid jetty]

thats not even packed

use Uint8Array

[winged mantle]

it's so good

what if i store hp

[valid jetty]

fyi it doesnt work

oh wait

[winged mantle]

/run

function packedStruct(e){let t=0n,r={getBits:()=>t},n=0n;for(let[l,u]of Object.entries(e)){let f=BigInt(parseInt("1".repeat(u),2))<<n,i=n;Object.defineProperty(r,l,{enumerable:!0,get(){let e=(t&f)>>i;return 1===u?0!==e:e},set(e){e=BigInt(e),e<<=i,e&=f,t|=e}}),n+=BigInt(u)}return r}
const myStruct = packedStruct({
    hp: 5,    
    alive: 1,
});
console.log("HP: " + myStruct.hp);
console.log("Alive: " + myStruct.alive);
myStruct.alive = true;
myStruct.hp = 7;
console.log("HP after update: " + myStruct.hp);
console.log("Raw bits: " + myStruct.getBits().toString(2));

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @winged mantle

HP: 0
Alive: true
HP after update: 7
Raw bits: 100111

[valid jetty]

no it was 0 from the start

the hp doesnt work from the original object

[supple whale]

i hate writing code in discord

bu hey it works

[winged mantle]

wdym

[supple whale]

and likely will be the fastest solution you'll be able to ever produce

[winged mantle]

in object you specify field width

hp is 5 bits

[valid jetty]

why is that useful in any way

also why 5 bits 😭

[winged mantle]

enough to store hp

[valid jetty]

no packed struct has 5 bit fields unless theyre other structs

[crude star]

you're wrong assuming this in the first place

[valid jetty]

???? how much hp are you storing

[winged mantle]

maybe we're storing boss hp

[valid jetty]

why would i want an upper limit of 31 hp

[crude star]

ur trolling her too much 😭

[winged mantle]

i just realised this is wrong

oh wait no it's right

for a mo i thought 1 + 2 + 4 (and therefore 0b111) was eight

[lavish frigate]

video game addict

[winged mantle]

player has 20 hp

boss has 30 hp

[supple whale]

sir just v8 serialize and deserialize

[winged mantle]

megaboss has 31 hp

[supple whale]

its so so so much safer and faster

[winged mantle]

but you don't get to specify bit width

lameee

i will publish this to npm

[crude star]

its impossible to decode the object without also using v8

not network safe

[winged mantle]

this aim here was to have c style structs

where you specify with : syntax

[crude star]

what if format changes in versions

[winged mantle]

hmm maybe i could support parsing a c struct

[crude star]

true

[lavish frigate]

id say this is the least useful npm package but i forgot stuff like is-even exists

[supple whale]

are you suggesting not using javascript?

[lavish frigate]

js devs are sooo insane

[supple whale]

why not, its just binary data you'd send over network

[crude star]

^

[supple whale]

hasnt changed in a decade

wont change now

anyays if ur dependencies do : "nodejs": "*"

[winged mantle]

const myStruct = cValue(`
#include <stdbool.h>

struct MyStruct {
    unsigned int hp: 5;
    bool alive : 1;
}

export MyStruct struct;
`)

[supple whale]

then u have a different problem

[winged mantle]

this is a superset of c that has thee export keyword

the export keyword is used to export the value which is translated into js land

[crude star]

erm

extern...

[lavish frigate]

https://bun.com/docs/api/ffi

[valid jetty]

have you seen my type-safe enums

it might be useful

[winged mantle]

it's a more simple implementation

it's only implements this syntax

for anything more complex, it just uses ai to translate to js on the fly which is less reliable but allows anything

but it's only intended to be used with this syntax

[valid jetty]

type EnumToObject<Keys extends string[], Acc extends string[] = []> =
    Keys extends [infer First extends string, ...infer Rest extends string[]]
        ? { [K in First]: Acc["length"] } & EnumToObject<Rest, [...Acc, First]>
        : {};

type Split<T extends string, D extends string, Acc extends string[] = []> =
    Trim<T> extends `${infer First}${D}${infer Rest}`
        ? Split<Trim<Rest>, D, [...Acc, Trim<First>]>
        : [...Acc, Trim<T>]
        
type Whitespace = " " | "\n" | "\t";
type Trim<T extends string> = 
    T extends `${Whitespace}${infer R}` 
        ? Trim<R> 
        : T extends `${infer R}${Whitespace}` ? Trim<R> : T;

function enu_m<T extends string>(x: T) {
    return x.split('\n').filter(Boolean).reduce(
        (acc, cur, i) => ({ ...acc, [cur.trim()]: i }), 
        {} as EnumToObject<Split<T, '\n'>>
    );
}

const x = enu_m(`
    First
    Second
    Third
    Fourth
    Fifth
`);

//          x.Fourth: 3
console.log(x.Fourth); // 3
``` look !!!!!!!!!

[crude star]

just add an error handler that asks the ai to fix it

[valid jetty]

type safety

[crude star]

if it doesn't error its working perfectly

[winged mantle]

what why would you use this it's useless

you're a garbage programmer

[valid jetty]

it is useless

[winged mantle]

you made me lose faith in humanity

[valid jetty]

i wrote it because vee dared me to

[winged mantle]

you made me quit my software engineering job

now i'm cooking burgers

[valid jetty]

ok but on a real note, C structs are not packed lol

the fields are all aligned to the highest aligned field

[winged mantle]

OK this is out of my depth with typescript

[crude star]

ermmm struct __attribute__((packed))

[valid jetty]

so if you have a u64 in the struct everything else will be aligned to fit within a multiple of u64

[winged mantle]

what if you made a javascript to typescript transpiler

[valid jetty]

ok but 99% of structs arent

[winged mantle]

not like automatically fixing types

[valid jetty]

its pretty simple

[crude star]

but we're making packed structs specifically

[valid jetty]

the typescript type system is a functional programming language

[winged mantle]

converting the js function code into typescript types

[valid jetty]

and its turing complete, you can have loops through recursion and conditions via extends :)

[winged mantle]

function helloWorld() {
    console.log("hello world");
}

would get transpiled to

import { Console } from "tcts";

type HelloWorld = Console.Log<"hello world">;

[valid jetty]

😭

[winged mantle]

and HelloWorld would compute to the string type "hello world"

[valid jetty]

i mean yeah

you can do that

[winged mantle]

wait that would be kinda dumb to simulate the console

instead just do return "hello world";

[crude star]

Console.Log returns an Environment type which has a stdout field

[winged mantle]

what if npm library to use go inside of js

const fmt = {
    Println: console.log
}

that sorta thing

or is that just called deno

[crude star]

deenuts

[frosty skiff]

true

[valid jetty]

look typescript is easy

fuck i didnt show the hover

in haskell

rosieRange :: Int -> [Int]
rosieRange n = f 0 []
  where
    f :: Int -> [Int] -> [Int]
    f accLen acc
      | accLen == n = acc
      | otherwise   = f (accLen + 1) (acc ++ [accLen])

main :: IO ()
main = do
  let foo = rosieRange 10
  print foo

its very similar

in a procedural language

well i got carried away with making the array concatenation inline but you get the point

or rather the more efficient way is ```rs
acc.iter().single().chain(Iterator::once(acc.len())).collect()

actually

you can make it look like ts

[ionic lake]

can we make this even worse

[spark tiger]

literally nothing worked

thank you zed

i hate that the extensions in zed use github

cuz my shit is always ratelimited

[frosty skiff]

don't use zed use micro

[spark tiger]

❌

[frosty skiff]

✅

I wrote os for parsing regex in micro

[dawn ledge]

me when i have a protocol header that takes 3 bits for a tag and 5 bits for version

[valid jetty]

true

[jade stone]

What flavor

[frosty skiff]

pcre2 was my goal although i didn't choose a specific flavour mostly because i was writing it in mainly asm 😭

I wanted to parse regex as fast as possible

i thought the idea of a kernelmode regex parser would be silly so i started with that and then I eventually just ended up writing a tiny os for it

[jade stone]

Doesn't pcre2 have an insane amount of features

[frosty skiff]

yes and it was a lot easier to implement stuff when i was doing it in c because im kinda used to it + their lib has a lot of stuff i could steal from

so it's why i just decided not todo a specific flavour and just decided to implement regex in a way that's very basic, just so it'd work while i was writing it in asm

[jade stone]

this looks like fun

i love pcre because i can do things like this horror for cannonicalizing regex for vencord patches

[winged mantle]

I didn't want to manually update mc server constantly for my friends so i'm now writing a whole minecraft server launcher that automatically downloads the latest version

and instead of using shell script i used go

because i don't like shell scripting

and i feel like it will end up being high quality code because i cannot bare hacking things together any more like i used to

when i hacked things together it would just be so horrible adding features to it

screw it, i'm making this properly modular

splitting into packages

[balmy lintel]

love

[ornate quiver]

you aren't using fabric and/or mods?

[winged mantle]

no it's just a vanilla server

[ornate quiver]

huh

[winged mantle]

i'm already refactoring

it's just something to keep our vanilla smp up to date

tbf i might want to add a discord bridge

based on reading stdout

don't think there's an existing bridge solution like that (which will not break between updates!!)

[frosty skiff]

it's cool i made smth similar a while back & you're able to use /say in-game & stuff so it's 2way

[lavish frigate]

i forgot stuff like echo, cd, etc. are implemented by the shell not by the system and in my state of being tired i tried to debug why "echo test" in my shell would fail to run the command

[supple whale]

if only this actually worked

[austere idol]

hahahahahahawhfwaeuhfawiouhfoai8wuhfiouwaiouawhfoiuah

where

[ornate quiver]

probably doable somehow with some native hooks

assuming the webview is run in the same process

and that would only work if the webview is chromium anyways

[jade stone]

aren't most of of those implemented by both

the shell built-in just shadows

[median root]

ok I dont get it. nothing is throwing errors in lsp or building, ive literally copy pasted the const Native line from a plugin which works, so why does it refuse to work?

[jade stone]

why are you importing from tesseract.js

that's not a vencord dep

[median root]

its in native.ts

[jade stone]

i have tesseract working in a vencord plugin

checkout https://github.com/sadan4/antitessie

[median root]

the let worker line was cuz I couldnt find the return type of the worker

[valid jetty]

???

[jade stone]

yeah

idk why i thought that

[median root]

i mean u were partly right to be fair

[jade stone]

but check this out as an example for tesseract in vencord

[median root]

its been a long while since ive touched any typescript

[median root]

jesus christ holdon lemme fix my resolution to read this

[jade stone]

tldr

if (!window?.Tesseract) {
    fetch(
        "https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/tesseract.js@6.0.0/dist/tesseract.min.js"
    )
        .then(async r => void (0, eval)(await r.text()))
        .then(async () => {
            worker = await Tesseract.createWorker("eng", Tesseract.OEM.TESSERACT_LSTM_COMBINED, {
                corePath: "https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/tesseract.js-core@6.0.0/tesseract-core-simd-lstm.wasm.js",
                workerPath: "https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/tesseract.js@6.0.0/dist/worker.min.js",
            });
        })
        .then(() => {
            worker.setParameters({
                tessedit_pageseg_mode: Tesseract.PSM.AUTO
            });
        });
}

[median root]

cuz ive added it pnpm add tesseract.js. I saw on the github it was on npm and I thought to myself it must then be on pnpm

[jade stone]

no

it's not a fork

[median root]

So the solution is to handle this in the index.tsx instead of the native.ts?

[jade stone]

yes

you can do tesseract without native

[median root]

I was importing the dependency...

[austere idol]

if pnpm were actually a npm fork, it would be MUCH slower

[ornate quiver]

nop

[supple whale]

nah it's not I checked

giga sad

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty im prob gonna go to a different uni

and do technical math instead of ict

[valid jetty]

technical math meaning??

complex analysis and stuff?

[lavish frigate]

How would the system implement cd, the program itself keeps track of its working directory and the shell just passes that on when you run a command

[lavish frigate]

command is also implemented by the shell

Part of zshbuiltins

I wouldn’t be surprised if command treats real commands and builtins very similarly

Just swapping how they are ran at execution

[supple whale]

I love androidTV

[spark tiger]

no fuck android tv

this shit is laggy as fuck

i cant use my tv its so fucking slow

finna get an apple tv

[jade stone]

See where I said most

[lavish frigate]

Which ones do you mean then 😭

[jade stone]

😭 the whole point of command is going over your head

[jade stone]

cd?????

[supple whale]

well yeah, but its not androidTV's fault

its the TV manufacturers

they release TVs with 2 cores and 2GB of RAM

so kinda what do you expect

get an urgos

or a shield

and you'll see what it means to have a good androidTV

most shitty androidTVs built into the TVs themselves run in 32 bit

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Wf_jy5WqOPShczFKQB28cCetBgAGcnA0mNOG-ePwDc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

good list of "what android TV devices arent shit"

the ugoos is laughably cheap

especially for its hardware capabilities

i have a gen2 chromecast, which is laughably slow, and it outperforms my TCL x10

[spark tiger]

apple tv seems good enough

[supple whale]

1/2 the capabilities at x3 the price of the ugoos

;-;

[spark tiger]

and it’s only like $120 or so

[supple whale]

it starts at $200 with the ethernet version costing $260

[spark tiger]

?

[supple whale]

mmm, europe prices

[spark tiger]

even here i can buy it for $130 im kinda surprised tbh

[supple whale]

lmao ugos is more expensive in us than here

ah right tarifs

its china made

anyways, androidTV is great, cuz u can pirate on it

sideloading apps or patching apps to remove ads or paid features is peak

or shit, even just building ur own via cast recievers

[spark tiger]

i just tried to install spotify on it from play market but i never figured out how to change region

on app store it was as simple as just changing it in the settings

but with android i have nfi how

i tried a vpn

tried changing account

but nothing worked

i just want to install spotify and like crunchyroll

[supple whale]

lmao are they banned in ur country on play store?

[spark tiger]

yes

[supple whale]

LOL WTF

[spark tiger]

do yk a way tho

[supple whale]

yeah just download the apk from a mirror

and install the apk manually

no cap

[spark tiger]

uhhhh

is there really no way to get it off google app store

[supple whale]

shit, you dont even need to get off ur ass from ur pc to do it

if its banned its banned, and if you couldnt figure out how to get a vpn running then this is probs ur best bet?

[spark tiger]

cuz im too paranoid to trust a random apk from the internet

[spark tiger]

well its not really banned

[supple whale]

they are signed

[spark tiger]

its just spotify left this country and they removed their app from russian app stores

but it does work fine without a vpn

(kinda)

[supple whale]

simply https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/spotify-ab/spotify-music-for-android-tv-android-tv/

[spark tiger]

yeah so see that's why i dont like android tv

on apple tv i would just install it off app store

[supple whale]

then you can even do adb connect 192.168.1.yourTVaddress, and adb install -r ./path/to/apk/on/your/pc.apk

or copy the apk to the tv and install it on there directly

shit, you can even control ur androidTV remotely from ur PC

because why not XD

[ornate quiver]

i know hexadecimal

someone teach octal to me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/927592413663461447.gif?quality=lossless&name=trolleyzoom&size=64

[hazy pine]

i believe in octodecimal supremacy

[crude star]

so 100 in octal is 800

because 1 means 8

[jade stone]

isnt it 64?

lc.wa 0o100

[visual shell]

Input interpretation

100_8

Wolfram|Alpha • labsCore • Page 1/4

[jade stone]

[crude star]

lmao

yeah its 8x8

[hoary sluice]

its 512

@spark tiger how to translate dolboeb to english

im a dolboeb

its 64

[spark tiger]

idk maybe “dumbass”

[hoary sluice]

i think braindead is the translation

[jade stone]

no???

[hoary sluice]

i just said im a dolboeb

[balmy lintel]

whats a dolboeb

Dummkopf

okay

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice i love typst

i love programming my pdf

#page(
  align(center + horizon)[
    #align(center, text(2.25em)[*#title*])
    #align(center, text(1.25em, description))

    #v(4em)

    #align(center)[
      #text(1.25em)[Rosie Mewmewmew] \
      Catgirl Academy Germany
    ]

    #v(4em)

    = Abstract
    #align(center, block(width: 80%,
        align(left, par(justify: true)[
            This project presents the design and implementation of a compiled programming language featuring exclusively Japanese syntax, intended to improve accessibility for native Japanese speakers with potentially limited English proficiency. Traditional programming languages often rely heavily on English-based keywords and constructs, creating barriers for non-English speakers. By replacing these with natural Japanese equivalents, this language seeks to make programming more approachable and intuitive for native Japanese speakers. The goal is to produce a compiler frontend capable of compiling basic functions and control flow structures utilizing Japanese syntax for the source code.
        ])
    ))
  ]
)

i can even embed all of my source code straight into typst

its kinda silly

i wrote a script to do this

#!/usr/bin/env -S ellec --silent --run
use std/prelude;

namespace DIR;

enum DirentType @repr(u8) {
    Dir = 0b00000100,
    Reg = 0b00001000,
}

struct Dirent {
    u64        ino,
    u64        seekoff,
    u16        reclen,
    u16        namlen,
    DirentType type,
    char       name // opaque static array
}

external fn opendir(string path) -> DIR *;
external fn readdir(DIR *dir) -> Dirent *;
external fn closedir(DIR *dir);

fn collect_files(string path, string[] out) {
    dir := opendir(path) ?: $die();
    defer closedir(dir);

    while dirent := readdir(dir) {
        if [".", ".."].contains(&dirent.name) { continue; }
        out_path := "{}/{}".format(path, &dirent.name);

        if dirent.type == DirentType::Dir {
            collect_files(out_path, out);
        } else if dirent.type == DirentType::Reg {
            out.push(out_path);
        }
    }
}

fn main() {
    path := "src";
    $printf("Generated files at {}...", path.color("green").reset());
    collect_files(path, files := [string;]);
    io::write_to_file("docs/srcs.txt", files.join("\n"));
    $printf(
        "Generated {} files at {}!",
        "{}".format(files.len()).color("green").reset(),
        path.color("green").reset()
    );

    path := "docs/main.typ";
    $printf("Compiling typst at {}...", path.color("green").reset());
    libc::system("typst c {} --root ..".format(path));
    $printf("Compiled typst document!");
}

and then in typst

#let embed_code(path, lang) = {
  let data = read(path);
  [
    === File: #" " #raw(path.split("/").last())
    #raw(data, lang: lang, block: true)
  ]
}

its kinda awesome actually

[fallen nebula]

am i the only one where discord development try to do this request with TLS1.0 and fail with anything higher
it's been quite a while i didn't launch it because it didn't work and so i quickly investigated by using mitmproxy and proxying discord to it

[ornate quiver]

how secure is your network

[eternal wigeon]

What's better dbeaver or pgadmin

[nimble bone]

psql

[native spruce]

@young flicker honestly not sure what to do with the ux/ui with clipper

I have 2 variations but if I add too many customization options its just gonna burn me out

or what if I wanted to do that notification center design

its just more redundent code

idk what to do really

not knowing is driving my demotivation

[fallen nebula]

it's secure

what's weird is that it's only that first request

and that canary doesn't have that issue

[ornate quiver]

and vesktop?

[fallen nebula]

and that if i do the request using firefox or curl TLS1.2 works

[fallen nebula]

didn't try

but since stable, PTB work normally, i'd expect it to work

i'm more surprised by the difference between canary and dev

[native spruce]

i may abandon the panel idea

[fallen nebula]

because for the most part they are basically the same

[native spruce]

update to sonoma and itll automatically do it

I don’t think it’s anything special

Looking at clipper code there’s nothing in significance

[dense sand]

im playing with this app idea, but it requires to run arbitrary js from the user, is using web workers a good enough isolation?

[crude star]

uhh

use an iframe

and set srcdoc

hm thats sorta awkward to communicate with though

[hoary sluice]

the intro sounds chatgpt

[valid jetty]

husk

[shrewd canopy]

I have used only pgadmin in past, adding new users is somewhat annoying, cannot say anything about dbeaver

[valid jetty]

how about this

also look at this diagram made in typst

#align(center)[
  #let args = (inset: 1em, corner-radius: 0.25em);
  #diagram(
    node-stroke: .1em,
    spacing: 4em,
    node((0, 0), "Source Code", ..args, name: <src>),
    edge(label: "Lexer", "-|>"),
    node((1, 0), "Token Stream", ..args, name: <tokens>),
    edge(label: "Parser", "-|>"),
    node((2, 0), "Abstract Syntax Tree", ..args, name: <ast>),
    edge(label: "IR Generation", "-|>"),
    node((2, 1), "Intermediate Representation", ..args, extrude: (-2.5, 0), name: <ir>),
    edge(label: "Optimization", "-|>"),
    node((2, 2), "Optimized IR", ..args, name: <opt>),
    edge(label: "Codegen", "-|>"),
    node((1, 2), "Assembly", ..args, name: <asm>),
    edge(label: "Assembler", "-|>"),
    node((0, 2), "Object", ..args, name: <obj>),
    edge(label: "Linker", "-|>",),
    node((0, 1), "Executable", ..args, extrude: (-2.5, 0), name: <exe>),

    node(
      enclose: (<src>, <tokens>, <ast>, <ir>),
      corner-radius: 0.25em,
      name: <frontend>,
      shape: shapes.bracket.with(dir: top, label: [Frontend])
    ),

    node(
      enclose: (<opt>, <asm>),
      corner-radius: 0.25em,
      name: <backend>,
      shape: shapes.bracket.with(dir: bottom, label: [Backend])
    ),
  )
]

[hoary sluice]

still chatgpt

[fleet cedar]

Do you have a source that english keywords affect learning speed? I'd be more inclined to believe that's caused by english docs

[valid jetty]

well it’s pretty hard to get into when the entire source code is in english

i’ll look for a source

[valid jetty]

you’re chatgpt

[hoary sluice]

no she doesnt

the reasoning is a lie

she wanted to make a japanese lang cause shes addicted to anime and thinks japan is perfect

not to "help japanese people who dont speak english"

what softward are u gonna build with just ichigo and no english

[valid jetty]

i literally dont watch anime

the real reason i made the lang is because i thought it would be funny

but i need an actual reason to put on the document for school

how would i write it without it sounding like ai

This project presents the design and implementation of a compiled programming language with exclusively Japanese syntax, which is designed to improve accessibility for native Japanese speakers who have potentially limited English proficiency. Traditional programming languages rely heavily on English-based keywords and constructs, which creates a steep learning curve for non-English speakers. This language aims to replace these with their Japanese equivalents, which would make programming more enjoyable and intuitive for native Japanese speakers. The goal is to produce a compiler frontend capable of compiling basic functions and control flow structures utilizing Japanese syntax for the source code.

[hoary sluice]

sorry i wanted to answer a question not order a yappacino

[hoary sluice]

that was my point, the other stuff i made up for dramatic effect

[valid jetty]

dramatic effect 😭

[valid jetty]

^^

[hoary sluice]

well are you using ai to write it

[valid jetty]

no

[hoary sluice]

put it into gptzero

[hoary sluice]

this sounds human

i think

it doesnt matter as long as u wrote it urself

[fleet cedar]

Just be honest and say you did it to evaluate the capabilities of your other compiler, and/or to explore whether taking inspiration from a different language gives any interesting syntax

[valid jetty]

well no because they want a """"client"""" for the project

i would do that if i could lol

[hoary sluice]

Just be honest and say you did it because you're unemployed

[valid jetty]

thank you

[hoary sluice]

np ❤️

plesae actually leave that

[valid jetty]

how about this lmao

fuck

"for a Japanese students"

[lucid trail]

why is that so verbose

[hoary sluice]

its written in yappanese

[valid jetty]

its an abstract

[hoary sluice]

reminds me of my thesis

and of java

unnecessarily verbose to havd more pages

[lucid trail]

My brain is so cooked that anything which isnt prose sounds excessive to me

[valid jetty]

i want to score full marks on this thing soooo ofc im gonna yap a lot

[valid jetty]

good

[valid jetty]

Roi e

[hoary sluice]

wrong

[wild coral]

mraow

[ornate quiver]

unbeliveably funny how students now have to pass their writing through ai detection tools even if they didnt use ai

last quarter i was writing a paper and using wikipedia as my primary source (it didnt rly matter), but then it seems like that style of writing leaked into my own paper
and it was detected as like 80% ai
spent an hour reorganizing and rewriting words until it was down to 5%

[valid jetty]

well not really

we moved from plagiarism checkers to ai checkers

it’s the same thing but the slopmeter turned up to 100%

[ornate quiver]

yeah but the slopdetector is 100% unreliable now too

[valid jetty]

that’s fair

[supple whale]

i love android TV

7s to load a 0.5kb svg

TCL is dogshit

[ornate quiver]

yop

[valid jetty]

i love diagramming

[valid jetty]

slay

oh hmmm

[shrewd canopy]

"C is dead. Javascript will replace it."

[lavish frigate]

C is dead. Rust will replace it.

[shrewd canopy]

That already became real

(Says someone who can't figure out borrowing issues for few days)

[lavish frigate]

its okay

sometimes i just turn my brain off and when i run into issues with the borrow checker i just throw shit against the wall to see what sticks

[blazing haven]

😭😭😭😭

hilfe

[nimble bone]

wrong

[lavish frigate]

right

[nimble bone]

how

tbh i don’t see why rust got big as The memory safe language

when you have swift ykyk

[blazing haven]

https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-slops/

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i applied here https://www.fernuni-hagen.de/studium/studienangebot/bachelor-matse.shtml

literally bachelor in advent of code

and its fully remote except for some exams

and some seminars

[shrewd canopy]

Swift still doesn't have inline assembly lol

[valid jetty]

insane

[jade stone]

how would this be resolved with List<List<T>>

external fun <T> List<T>.foo(other: List<T>): Unit
external fun <T> List<T>.foo(other: T): Unit

@nimble bone

[native spruce]

NSIMAGEVIEW SUCKS

[supple whale]

yes!

[nimble bone]

but it's  how could it suck ykyk

[jade stone]

@nimble bone i still know what you sent

[nimble bone]

i didn't delete this?

your be on crack

[jade stone]

nin0 stupid

[nimble bone]

yea i realised

[crude star]

peak

[spark tiger]

rust existed way before swift

[lavish frigate]

😭

😭

[nimble bone]

lc.@grok is this true

[visual shell]

is this true

Yes, if "existed" means inception: Rust's development started in 2006 (personal project by Graydon Hoare, Mozilla-backed by 2009), while Swift began in 2010 (by Chris Lattner at Apple). That's four years earlier—not eons, but "way before" in fast-paced tech. Stable releases flipped it: Swift 1.0 (2014) beat Rust 1.0 (2015).

@grok

[spark tiger]

i thought rust was like 2007 💔

istg i read it somewhere it was as old as that

well not 2007 but

[lavish frigate]

im reading the rust wikipedia page and am shocked by the horrors it grew out of

[crude star]

https://hachyderm.io/@evanw/109859384302551859

[crude star]

this is why

[torn thunder]

Just don't use an IDE

Use ed...

[spark tiger]

you missed one letter

[torn thunder]

👎

[spark tiger]

👍

https://x.com/kai_fall/status/1945180203472375966

Kai Fall (@kai_fall)

why is Rust so unnecessarily verbose?

X · Jul 15, 2025, 5:54 PM

[crude star]

fr.......

[native spruce]

this embed is kinda fire but I dont like where the pfp is put 💔

[frosty obsidian]

insane

they should fix that

[native spruce]

update bro

[austere idol]

i think this is parody of that previous message

[austere idol]

#include <stdlib.h>

struct Node { struct Node* next; int data; };
struct Array { struct Node* root; long long length; };

void Array_init(struct Array* target) {
    target->length = 0;
    target->root = NULL;
}

void Array_push(struct Array* target, int val) {
    struct Node* n = malloc(sizeof(struct Node));
    n->data = val; n->next = NULL;
    if (!target->root)
        target->root = n;
    else {
        struct Node* p = target->root;
        while (p->next)
            p = p->next;
        p->next = n;
    }
    target->length++;
}

void Array_free(struct Array* target) {
    for (struct Node* p = target->root; target->root; target->root = p) {
        p = p->next;
        free(target->root);
    }
}

int main() {
    struct Array arr; Array_init(&arr);
    Array_push(&arr, 1);
    Array_push(&arr, 2);
    Array_push(&arr, 3);
    /* ... */
    Array_free(&arr);
}

[ornate quiver]

HUSK

[austere idol]

wheres my

[shrewd canopy]

💔

[winged mantle]

rust so bad !!

v := []int{1, 2, 3}

"why do you need built in syntax for such a trivial thing lol"

different languages can have different philosophies and that's ok!!

rust allows the developer to have more syntactic control

[austere idol]

println macro is compiler' builtin

[hoary sluice]

no its not, rust is right and go is wrong

[austere idol]

c is right and rust is wrong

[hoary sluice]

crust is correct

[austere idol]

imagine rust with exact c syntax

[hoary sluice]

you can do that as long as you wrap it in a macro

[lavish frigate]

Imagine c with actual nice syntax

[austere idol]

c is actual nice syntax

[hoary sluice]

imagine candy but healthy

[hoary sluice]

wrong ❌

[shrewd canopy]

real

[austere idol]

void main() {
    println("hello");
}

or

fn main() {
    println!("hewwo");
}

?

[lavish frigate]

C gets sucked off so much just for being old and used often it’s old design choices suck in current day free yourself from the shackles of internet brownie points and start being real ❤️

[austere idol]

i dont know why discord mobile has syntax highlight for rust but not c

c looks nice if you know it (i dont)

[lavish frigate]

C gets sucked off so much just for being old and used often it’s old design choices suck in current day free yourself from the shackles of internet brownie points and start being real ❤️

[austere idol]

struct Thing thing; enum Enum e;

I LUV EXPLICTNESS!!!!!

typedef struct { ... } thing_t; is a gimmick invented by c++ users to omit that struct in every decl

i only wish we had turing complete macro system and automatic type resolution for variable types (e.g.

notDeclared = "eeee";
/* in pre-ansi c it means that you declare an int, and this sucks
 * i want it to automatically determine the type (e.g. char*)
 */

[austere idol]

i know nothing but c

[lavish frigate]

you know nothing*

Escape the matrix

[austere idol]

learn lisp

[lavish frigate]

You are a sheep of old programming language we must get you out immediately.

[austere idol]

zig is good enough?

[lavish frigate]

We must also get you a job.

[austere idol]

or i need to learn elle to count?

[austere idol]

no no no no plz no

[lavish frigate]

Zig isn’t good because I have yet to find a single job opening searching for zig devs

In my eyes this makes it not a real language

[shrewd canopy]

sure if you're ready to spam allocators everywhere

[austere idol]

and i dont

i hate memory safety

[shrewd canopy]

learn cpp

[austere idol]

[austere idol]

already know (basics)

[austere idol]

typical corporate ...

[lavish frigate]

dude no way lmfao ??? https://vxtwitter.com/siriusblack9999/status/1945433558341886094

sirius black (@siriusblack9999)

↪️ Replying to @LukasHozda

@LukasHozda No there are integers, but floats(reals) are "infectious" and will turn anything they're used with into reals
Booleans are just implemented as floats though https://t.co/9oNZbxo0gm

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 16, 2025, 10:41 AM

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty duckduckgo is down i think

[valid jetty]

works for me

[dawn ledge]

well yeah in this case you can just Vec::from([1, 2, 3]) but the macro does much more than just that

[winged mantle]

vec! is kinda cool though

less typing

[lavish frigate]

well technically its

let a = [1, 2, 3];
or if you wanna add a type
let a: [i32; 3] = [1, 2, 3];

unless go arrays are dynamic ofc

[valid jetty]

the macro essentially boxes the static array [1, 2, 3] and then creates a vec from raw parts (from that boxed value)

yea go arrays are mutable and dynamic

[lavish frigate]

or returns Vec::new() if empty

[valid jetty]

yeah ^

[lavish frigate]

hm?

[dawn ledge]

go arrays are ass

yes please i asked for arr = append(arr, foo)

lc.g go docs array append

[visual shell]

go.dev

A Tour of Go

Appending to a slice ... It is common to append new elements to a slice, and so Go provides a built-in append function. The documentation of the built-in package ...

Google Search • labsCore • Page 1/30

[lavish frigate]

i dislike languages which dont have accessible functions on primitives like i LOVE doing stuff like [].len() or 1.to_string() give me more pls

[dawn ledge]

It is common to append new elements to a slice, and so Go provides a built-in append function. The documentation of the built-in package describes append.

func append(s []T, vs ...T) []T
The first parameter s of append is a slice of type T, and the rest are T values to append to the slice.

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty loan me 2000£

at -1% apr

[valid jetty]

i don’t even have that much money

can you loan me £2000 and i’ll loan you it

[hoary sluice]

you can finance it

youll pay me in 20£ installments for 100 months

+1% per year for the amount alreado paid

[valid jetty]

hmmmm

[hoary sluice]

in exchange ill pay it back in 12 years

[lavish frigate]

part of the reason why i dislike c i dont want like the
MyStruct *s = new_struct();
struct_do_something(s);
struct_do_something_else(s, 2);
struct_bar(s, "abc");
i like the
let s = Struct::new().do_something().do_something_else(2).bar("abc");

[hoary sluice]

are you still talking about c

that creep

[lavish frigate]

im not still talking im just starting

[hoary sluice]

we have texas going on and youre still talking about c?

how is int - bool a float

[lavish frigate]

do you not have your bools actually be floats?

[valid jetty]

oh my god

[valid jetty]

yeah i like this more too

[lucid trail]

i dislike c because it doesn’t have much

[valid jetty]

that’s not a reason to dislike it

less is more in programming languages

[hoary sluice]

part of the reason i dont like old plumbing is because theres new plumbing technology that nobody thought of when my original plumbing was installed, and the new plumbing is objectively better and nobody disagrees so i prefer the new plumbing

[lavish frigate]

this is still crazy to me what do you mean game maker language doesnt have bools instead has constants true and false defined as 1.0 and 0.0 and using them in if statements is dangerous because == doesnt reliably work on floating point numbers

[hoary sluice]

why are they called reals

this is progmanig not instagram

[lavish frigate]

idk 😭

only real type

[hoary sluice]

im gonna call my floats tiktoks

[valid jetty]

????

the thing from mathematics

the set of real numbers

[hoary sluice]

instagram reels

[lucid trail]

reels mentioned!!

[valid jetty]

i swear eagely is always ragebaiting

[lavish frigate]

i looked into it more apparently gms devs then do if (true > 0.5) ??????????????????????????????????????????

[valid jetty]

yeah looool

[hoary sluice]

my floats are called https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIMAMmpCqvu/?igsh=MTRtcHpzYXF1ZGJweQ==

bekanovirus

#вастане

Likes

45820

Instagram

[crude star]

there are fixed-size arrays ([n]T) and slices ([]T)

[lavish frigate]

crazy crazy

[crude star]

you can append to slices

[valid jetty]

it’s still no reason for pirate software to have a huge 1d array for the entire game state

[crude star]

well its not really fixed-size

[hoary sluice]

i would never ragebait

[valid jetty]

the poor implementation of gm is not a reason to excuse his poor code

[lavish frigate]

yea 😭

[lucid trail]

there’s no way that thing was serious

i’ve only seen screenshots

[valid jetty]

it is

[lavish frigate]

it very much is

[austere idol]

serialization goes brr

[valid jetty]

the storyline_game_array thing is real

[valid jetty]

ok but you can serialize structs

if the structs are made up of integers or structs or whatever, they can be serialized as long as they don’t hold pointers which things in gm wont

[lavish frigate]

as if fast serialization is that much more important than making sure you can actually continue reading the code 2 months later

""""fast serialization"""" as if seralizing structs isnt almost instant too

[hoary sluice]

too much progaming today now im gonna eat ice cream and spread misinformation on the interwebs

[valid jetty]

even if you can’t serialize structs you can convert the structs to an array when you need to serialize them

[austere idol]

and i exactly thought about that

[valid jetty]

at the VERY least the huge 1d array could have named constants for the values but it doesn’t even have that

[crude star]

vencord has been talking about the same code for 3 days

[lavish frigate]

and ?? can we not make fun of awful code?! !

[hoary sluice]

a 1d array is just an array

[lucid trail]

wow very cool

[valid jetty]

true

[austere idol]

we start forgetting about yanderedevs code

[lucid trail]

This feels like it would take more effort to have everything in one array

[valid jetty]

oh yeah eagely have you ever tried submitting an email patch before

[crude star]

guys i just found out sbrk(3) is just an array of bytes??

pirateslop

i cant believe my memory goes to an array of bytes

[hoary sluice]

i have never submitted a commit to a foss project in any way

[austere idol]

i tried to submit an email patch over fediverse, but the maintainer has silently ignored it until i made a proper pr

[crude star]

pirateslop is just being nice to the compiler and giving it less work to do 😊

[austere idol]

hop on tinycc

[crude star]

i always use tcc

[austere idol]

remind me of every time something is commited into dwl repo

[winged mantle]

i love

[valid jetty]

isn’t this like really bad for memory usage

[crude star]

why

slices do have a capacity higher than length usually

it doesnt always change the pointer

[spark tiger]

how would one apply a js source map

so basically im exploring an app that uses js for some stuff and

and there are .js.map files

how would one like idk apply it

so my js files make sense

[crude star]

is devtools not using the sourcemaps?

[spark tiger]

can i use it without devtools

like just with my code editor

or is it not how it works

[crude star]

uh there's probably an extension or something out there

but its meant for devtools

[spark tiger]

argh

i found an internal build of one app and i'm trying to see what i can do with it

[crude star]

why the hell do u have sourcemaps but not the actual source code

[spark tiger]

im not going to abuse it or anything

im just curious if there's any real impact

besides "haha i got all your internal builds"

or is it already bad enough?

[crude star]

i mean yeah it could be bad

[spark tiger]

im trying to see what they use for build distribution

so i know what endpoints i can use

im trying to see if i can upload a build

cuz if i can this would be really bad

[valid jetty]

considering you have to redeclare your variable it implies that append returns a slice, and since it returns something it does not modify the slice you pass in

each append call creates a new slice, copies the stuff into it, pushes your new values, then returns it (this is speculation, i’m really hoping they don’t actually do this)

[crude star]

it does modify

[valid jetty]

then why do you need to reassign the variable

[crude star]

unless the slice is full

idk golang isn't like rust where pointers are unpinned

[crude star]

just read docs girl https://pkg.go.dev/builtin#append

[lavish frigate]

https://go.googlesource.com/go/%2B/refs/tags/go1.12.1/src/runtime/slice.go

[valid jetty]

ITS A BUILTIN?????

[crude star]

what's the problem

[valid jetty]

needing a builtin for such a simple concept makes it sound like it’s hell to do anything low-level in go

[crude star]

yeah its a language meant for real operating systems

it has gc and threading builtin

[valid jetty]

ok but a lot of networking code is also low level code

[lavish frigate]

yeah its a language meant to be replaced and not meant to be used in real operating systems

[valid jetty]

considering you can’t even access the pointer of a slice that just means go is not useful as a language

[crude star]

ok girl

[valid jetty]

why would you even use go to begin with

[valid jetty]

well no

go prides itself for being peak in networking yet i can’t even access a pointer

[crude star]

java isnt useful as a language

[valid jetty]

ok but java does not pride itself for being peak in networking

[crude star]

js isnt useful as a language there are no pointers

[valid jetty]

ok whatever 😭 just feels like it’s gonna become a headache the second you try to do anything actually complicated in go

[lavish frigate]

go prides itself for looking simple trying to do complicated stuff while actually doing the complicated stuff in the worst way possible

[spark tiger]

[lavish frigate]

ive discovered this game where you have to write assembly code to control microprocessors and do different things

and the docs for this imaginary asm lang are a pdf file that ships with the game, its genius

[crude star]

get the printed version

actually i think only exapunks has a printed ver

[lavish frigate]

my favourite function

[crude star]

let x = 0.clone().clone().clone().clone();

[lavish frigate]

let _ = "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".clone().clone().clone().clone().clone().clone().clone().clone().clone().clone();

[crude star]

let x = Box::new(0).leak().into::<Box<u64>>().leak().into::<Box<u64>>().leak().into::<Box<u64>>().leak().into::<Box<u64>>().leak().into::<Box<u64>>().leak().into::<Box<u64>>()

[lavish frigate]

stop leaking my boxes.

[crude star]

mmmm yummy memory leak

[crimson sparrow]

Shenzhen IO is amazing

[winged mantle]

what if it's a person does rust prevent people from being cloned

personally i would have ethical concerns if that was allowed

[lavish frigate]

no

rust invented cloning people specifically for this

me & copying rust errors? no way!

[winged mantle]

kinda cool

[ivory heath]

If you intend to do something low level

package main

// #include <stdlib.h>
import "C"

var memory *C.uintptr

func init() {
    memory = C.malloc(C.size_t(9999))
}

[winged mantle]

unsafe...

[ivory heath]

you can do that as well.

unsafe lets you do anything

[winged mantle]

javascript doesn't let you though... it's a useless language...

[valid jetty]

that reminds me that go interop with C is so weird..

[ivory heath]

its really not

[valid jetty]

well in the traditional sense of interop at least

why is every C function namespaced under the C namespace

it should be global and allow you to namespace them yourself

you lose out on a lot of namespacing opportunities

[winged mantle]

because of how go packages work? lol

[valid jetty]

oh i guess that makes sense

[lavish frigate]

if im ever gonna write Go ill just import C and write C instead of go

useless language..

[ivory heath]

Because name spaces are useful.
if you dont want the C name space

import . "C"

wait

[valid jetty]

thats the kind of thing i would do

[ivory heath]

that might now work with C

lemme check

[valid jetty]

isnt C a pseudonamespace

[ivory heath]

depends on what you mean, there is a golang preprocessor that generates golang bindings to whatever c header youre using and then its linked later

[valid jetty]

idk i found this sorta weird

[ivory heath]

AWWW

cannot rename import "C"compilerImportCRenamed

[ivory heath]

the preamble is just a pseudo header file your file is compiled against.

[valid jetty]

yeah but all of this stuff feels like a superset of go rather than part of go

if you know what i mean

[ivory heath]

I dont get what you mean

but i dont know how else go would implement it with as much ease as it is now

[winged mantle]

i forgot you could do that

does anyone use that

[ivory heath]

Why would you dirty name spaces?

[lavish frigate]

Interesting
https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2025/07/15/call-for-testing-hint-mostly-unused/

Sadly useless for me cuz I don’t do dependencies 🔥

[ivory heath]

I wonder why they dont just do full tree shaking

[fleet cedar]

Skill issue

[lavish frigate]

i dont think so

[fleet cedar]

It does (or dead code removal as it's called outside the jsverse), but this hint prunes the tree a few pipeline steps earlier

[ivory heath]

Rust does unused function culling at link time.

It does not modify tree structure if cases cannot be reached or skip compiling some functions all together.

[fleet cedar]

It absolutely does prune unreachable branches from control flow

And skipping compiling some functions altogether is what this new hint does

[ivory heath]

It defers it till it’s required which is a step in the right direction.

[ivory heath]

It does if it can be guaranteed within a file

[fleet cedar]

Within a crate, rather

Optimizing such things across crates requires lto

[ivory heath]

A entire crate is treated more or less as a single file

Multiple languages do it

[ivory heath]

It requires a code preprocessor or optimization in IR.

LTO normal never modifies the structure outside of inlining

[fleet cedar]

Better say compilation unit if you mean compilation unit

[fleet cedar]

Inlining, constant propagation, and dead branch removal go hand in hand

[ivory heath]

One is significantly harder to do with compiled languages

[crude star]

whag

[ivory heath]

Idk why constants wouldn’t be done at compile time.
Removing unreachable cases post compile is harder to do, especially when the compiler restructures

[fleet cedar]

Why would optimizing post-link ir be harder than pre-link ir

Other than being much bigger so might be slow

[ivory heath]

I thought you meant post machine code which is where LTO works.

[fleet cedar]

No, lto works on ir

[ivory heath]

Is this a rust thing?

[fleet cedar]

https://llvm.org/docs/LinkTimeOptimization.html

[ivory heath]

I didn’t know LTO embedded IR in objects when using LTO

Actually bit code https://llvm.org/docs/BitCodeFormat.html

[fleet cedar]

Well yeah can't embed raw it, need to encode it as a data stream

[ivory heath]

anyways ignore me then

[lavish frigate]

„No global variables“ uh huh right

[hoary sluice]

he allocated that variable without allocating memory

teach me how thats done

[austere idol]

static variables are essentially hidden globals

[hoary sluice]

this is completely unrelated to my question

[austere idol]

he allocates memory, but statically

e.g. not on heap

[hoary sluice]

im ragebaiting

malloc stands for memory allocate

hes telling me he can use variables withuot allocating memory

@valid jetty i love languages where error handling is done using hopes and dreams

like ok thanks for putting 5 lines of comments saying (Required) and not actually making it required

[lavish frigate]

yep, globals with limited access/scope

[austere idol]

can you make public readonly variables?

[hoary sluice]

i dont see a red underline

[lavish frigate]

absolutely hate the final keyword

[hoary sluice]

absolutely hate most java keywords

[hoary sluice]

so not globals?

[lavish frigate]

global as in a lifetime equal to that of the programs remaining runtime
the hate on globals is two part:
one that they pollute the global scope (which static variables dont do)
and two that they can make code unpredictable as in you change how your program runs based on something other than input (thus breaking the same input same output philosophy) (static variables absolutely do this)

[fleet cedar]

Whether globals pollute the scope is a language issue
That they enable action at a distance is an inherent issue with global state

[lavish frigate]

yep

[winged mantle]

the biggest problem i have when developing things is getting stuck on implementing things that aren't inherently difficult, i just often avoid starting until i feel satisfied with my idea of how i should do it (which probably just wastes time because things are never going to be perfect the first time anyway)

i often completely step away from the code and try to work things out in my head

[warped rapids]

hi

[winged mantle]

but i feel like it just makes me a 0.1x engineer

maybe it's betteer to let yourself make mistakes because it gives you the context to improve things?

and it's impossible not to anyway

i think you need a balance

my approach limits my motivation

[lavish frigate]

i just start writing

and then iterate on stuff

[winged mantle]

i might not even do the thinking things through thing

i might procrastinate that

[lavish frigate]

cuz you always get better and youll always get new and better ideas so why wait until i have the better ideas why not just start now and change once i get them

[winged mantle]

i'm like the opposite of a vibe coder

i make my brain work way more than it needs to

[nimble bone]

the kode tode vibe codes

[winged mantle]

yea

i spent ages thinking about structure for my discord bot but it changed several times

and it still relies on loads of global state

well the real problem is highly scattered global state

😭

[lavish frigate]

i personally think ive already figured out a really good structure for (at least py-cord) discord bots

after

10 attempts at writing a bot!

[nimble bone]

write in rust you spend ages shilling rust

[nimble bone]

WE CALL THEM APPS NOW

[lavish frigate]

i am writing rust rn

that discord bot was before i started rust

[winged mantle]

global state isn't inherently bad but i way overdid it

though it's js/ts so i think that's normal practice

[lavish frigate]

i religiously avoid global state

[lavish frigate]

because . ^

[royal nymph]

global state is fire

and rust is cringe for making global state so painful

[winged mantle]

i mean you will almost always have a global state

even if you're just passing it down everywhere

[royal nymph]

global state is better than the crazy DI shenanigans you have to do otherwise

[lavish frigate]

https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2025/07/11/ai_code_tools_slow_down/

thats kinda funny

[winged mantle]

in a discord bot for example a bot token is needed for the entire lifetime of the program 😭

[lavish frigate]

nop

i log into the discord api every time i need the token

so many bot requests a new token for every request

[winged mantle]

horror...

[lavish frigate]

☹️

no love?

[winged mantle]

realistically every discord bot has a singleton of some libraries Client class

no matter how you're representing it

[royal nymph]

the moment you have an .env or config file, it's cbt to use it in a language like rust

it's so much nicer to have it as a global variable and just access it from anywhere

[winged mantle]

idk my code is probably fineish

[royal nymph]

yes you can use lazystatic or smth like that but that's ugly and once you have some more specific config logic you can't do that

in go or js you just make a module for it and export it as top level stuff

[lavish frigate]

..?

[winged mantle]

maybe even better than average (which i'm careful to say when on average most people think they're better than average)

[lavish frigate]

shows how 100% of the rust haters dont know anything about the language

[winged mantle]

i did really put a lot of thought

but i don't think it's complete perfection and i also do some things that would be better to be a separate library

[lavish frigate]

cuz its quite literally as easy as using dotenv or serde 😭

[winged mantle]

like roll my whole own complex prefix command parsing

[royal nymph]

^

i'm not talking about the parsing part

[winged mantle]

my biggest issue with rust would be async

[crude star]

pyra wants her imperative language to be like haskell

[winged mantle]

this video feels like it was aimed at me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiSl4vf40WU

Async Isn't Real & Cannot Hurt You

[lavish frigate]

Async Isn't Real & Cannot Hurt You

[lavish frigate]

async is an issue in an systems language, python and js and whatever hide a fuck ton of complexity and their solutions arent that great either
easy to use sure but its definitely not optimal, something you mostly dont and shouldnt care about in python/js
having to manage your memory already makes async 100000000 times more complicated thats why its also not great to use in c++ and similar either

[royal nymph]

it's super nice to use in go though

[lavish frigate]

and gos solution like python and js is easy to use but not optimal either

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged mantle]

rust has even more implications to async code than function colouring

(function colouring honestly isn't that bad but i'm sure go developers go on about it )

[crude star]

go async is the most optimal actually

[lavish frigate]

you just cant be by hiding so much complexity behind simple keywords
you have to pick a path, you have to pick well, but it wont work/be optimal in all situations

[lavish frigate]

please dont ragebait me today its my birthday

[crude star]

if u love simplicity or whatever why aren't you using zig

[lavish frigate]

..?

i dont think ive said i love simplicity here, im saying thats where system languages like rust & c++ are different to other languages

[winged mantle]

rust devs certainly don't love simplicity

[lavish frigate]

rust tries to be as simple as possible but that doesnt always mean simple in the eyes of a systems language, some things just cannot be simple

[winged mantle]

after all we are talking about the language where this is how you create a vector

let vec = {
     let tmp = Vec::new();
     tmp.append(5);
     tmp
};

[lavish frigate]

going to go route of hiding all the complexity, shooting you in the leg then screaming at you for asking why it did that isnt solving the complexity

[winged mantle]

[lavish frigate]

please wrap this in unsafe

for no reason

i just like the unsafe keyword

horror...

[winged mantle]

why is rust so verbose compared to go

for i := range 10 {
    fmt.Printf("Counting to 10: %d", i)
}

let mut i = 0;
loop {
    std::io::stdout::write(format!("Counting to 10: {}", i).as_bytes());
    if i < 10 {
        i += 1;
    } else {
        break;
    }
}

[woven mesa]

omg happy birbday oomfiee

[lavish frigate]

ty!!!

[crude star]

ummm this is a joke but vec! expands to exactly this...

[winged mantle]

happy reddit cake day

[lavish frigate]

i do not have reddit !! do not send me reddit memes

[crude star]

wait no it doesnt

[woven mesa]

for i in 0…10 {
  print(i)
}

[crude star]

rust is sane

[winged mantle]

taylor swift

[woven mesa]

why would they use let mut

[fleet cedar]

It expands to <[_]>::into_vec(::alloc::boxed::box_new([1, 2, 3, 4]))

[woven mesa]

have they heard of variable

[winged mantle]

i believe you can do this

for i in 0..10 {
    println!("{i}")
}

[lavish frigate]

technically the real rust solution for this is shorter than the go one

for i in 0..=10 {
  println!("Counting to 10: {i}");
}

[crude star]

let (mut a, mut b) = (0, 1)

[woven mesa]

true

for i in 0..<10 {
  print(i)
}
``` doesnt incl 10 in range

[winged mantle]

isn't the go shorter because it's i := range 10

[lavish frigate]

..?

[winged mantle]

nvm

[lavish frigate]

• 2 for missing spaced i guess

[winged mantle]

i swear the loop line looked shorter

what the freak is 0..=10

we don't want to include 10

[spark tiger]

hbd

[lavish frigate]

ty!!

[crude star]

Array.from(Array(10), (_, i) => console.log(i))

[woven mesa]

true

[crude star]

js is beautiful ❤️

[lavish frigate]

then remove the =

[lavish frigate]

(0..=10).for_each(|i| println!("{i}"));

[winged mantle]

for (int i : Arrays.asList(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)) {
    System.out.println(String.format("Counting to 10: %d", i))
}

[winged mantle]

wait does this work

[fleet cedar]

You know System.out.printf exists, right?

[winged mantle]

long time since doing java

i know

it's meant to be making each language look bad

like that twitter person

that's my goal today

[crude star]

map(print, range(10))

[winged mantle]

(apart from go)

[fleet cedar]

Java doesn't need help looking bad

[winged mantle]

yes it does...

[fleet cedar]

That does exactly nothing

[crude star]

[*map(print,range(10))]

[woven mesa]

swift async is nice

[crude star]

forgot

[fleet cedar]

Can golf it as *map(print,range(10)),

[winged mantle]

what do you think the longest await in history was

the longest time an async task has taken before the rest of the function proceeds

[woven mesa]

Task { @MainActor in
  DispatchQueue.main.sync {
    print("meow")
  }
}

can anyone guess what is printed

[winged mantle]

imagine if you do await fetch("someurl") and it takes 30 years

[lavish frigate]

doesnt fetch timeout

[winged mantle]

set the timeout to Infinity

[woven mesa]

no one guessed

i cry

[fleet cedar]

Just sleep(Duration::MAX).await

[winged mantle]

which will happen first

the heat death of the universe or this finishes running

[fleet cedar]

Computer reboots

[crude star]

{p}10,/

[winged mantle]

foiled by windows update

[lavish frigate]

😭

[winged mantle]

ate is my favourite ios flag

why do you need to turn the string literal into std::string

oh wait

i guess otherwise you would need to do std::string("romfs:/")

but is there no string suffix operator

"romfs:/"_s or something

idk i admittedly never use that

[lavish frigate]

im watching this rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whs7Fy8lwzA

[winged mantle]

seems pretty fire

if they're a beginner that makes it even more impressive