🪅-progaming

[supple whale]

cuz fuck, even mpv is bloated to shit

[royal nymph]

web apps aren't inherently bloated

[ivory heath]

> 50MB of ram is bloat

[royal nymph]

electronslop sure

[supple whale]

sir mpv uses minimum 300+MB of RAM

[royal nymph]

but Unknown is talking about PWAs

they use what's already available on your system and if you already have your browser open anyway (who doesnt), they probably use fairly little resources

[supple whale]

yep

[supple whale]

this is on a <1 minute, 16MB video file btw

[ivory heath]

That’s just required to decode a video unfortunately

[supple whale]

you should see what happens what happens to blurays

[supple whale]

well shit would you look at that, that seems in no way a true statement!

[ivory heath]

I assume you’re using a hardware video decoder

[supple whale]

on both mpv and web yes

trust me, you're not winning this argument

[ivory heath]

Default mpv does not use one

[supple whale]

i spent a year researching and writing a paper on this

[supple whale]

i never said i'm using stock mpv

i'm using community recommended configs for optimal video playback

aka a functional video player

[ivory heath]

I assume also caching because mpv prides itself on it

[supple whale]

so do browsers

and again, thats a 16MB <1 minute video

[ivory heath]

The video file size does not matter

To an extent

[supple whale]

oh it dooooooes

90gig blurays make mpv use >1GB of RAM

[ivory heath]

cause it’s a blue ray and it caches the source file

But we have a high min ram usage due to multiple factors

[supple whale]

yes

mpv being a native app

simply that

[ivory heath]

No?

[supple whale]

you're not going to win with theoreticals

native apps will ALWAYS use way more resources than a halfway decent PWA

[ivory heath]

Why the fuck we’re you arguing in favor for them earlier

[supple whale]

and the outliers are so rare that they might as well be non-existent

[supple whale]

me?

[ivory heath]

This is simply false idk what copium you’re huffing. Mpv is sound a lot you don’t know about

[supple whale]

i'm giving u hard screenshots

hard numbers

[supple whale]

sure, but its not lighter than a PWA

[ivory heath]

Web browsers are not MAGICALLY more efficient

[supple whale]

your proof

[supple whale]

is right here

[ivory heath]

Because mpv is doing more than your app.

[lavish frigate]

idk bro but the image viewer takes double the amount of ram as the bloated as shit native windows photo viewer and all im opening is a short gif

[supple whale]

nope

it trully is not

they are both playing back a video

i could give less of a fuck about what kind of ass licking MPV is doing, all i care about is very fast, and correct video playback

[ivory heath]

Cool, you don’t implement the amount of features mpv is using

[supple whale]

like?

opening a video file and rendering subtitles?

because that's all that mpv does, it doesnt even fucking have a ui

it just uses subtitles to render shit

color mapping? browser does it. HDR? browser does it. hw accell? browser does it.

subtitles admittedly i had to do myself

[ivory heath]

mpv keeps all streams in the file cached, it keeps a decode cache for fast and accurate seeking, complex filter chains it applies on most peoples configs, multiple other thing i dont care to explain

[supple whale]

and... you think browsers dont?

shit browser's http streaming is better than mpvs brother

i mean go figure

[ivory heath]

mpv has a larger default cache for better seeking for starters

[supple whale]

great, and the browsers simply solve that by seeking to multiple places at once and finding which one is more accurate

and the latency on that is ~20ms

again

i'm not going to dig into what mpv does

long story short is that native apps will not use less resources than pwas

ever

like ever ever

and the outliers to that is microsoft's old notepad

imageglass, qbit or libtorrent, etc etc

[ivory heath]

this does not work always for multiple reasons mpv solves

MPV does a LOT more than you think it does

[supple whale]

and yet it works functionally the same, and uses more resources

wooooo!

again i dont care

its not delivering anything extra with those extra resources, which is also not my point

[ivory heath]

then you dont have feature parity and its a unfair comparison

[supple whale]

and fuck me

man is complaining about feature parity without an interface

which is for the 5th time

not the point of the conversation

[lavish frigate]

@ivory heath as a web dev im sorry that you have to deal with people like this

[ivory heath]

its fine

pure derangement

[supple whale]

pyra you're the 2nd most braindead person here

[royal nymph]

keep it civil guys

[supple whale]

mf goes "um akshtually mpv keeps a 300MB cache of each subpxiel of the each video frame in this 16MB file, so you can seek in 0.0001ns"

like brotha what

its a fucking 16MB file

you could lay out each frame as a PNG and that'd still be less than 300MB

no matter what it does it doesnt warrant that kind of memory usage on that tiny of a file, no matter what

its a SINGLE file

and i'm not saying mpv is shit, even the other way around, no matter how good your native app is, because even native apps as good as mpv, will will use more resources than web apps, BECAUSE THEY NEED THEIR OWN CONTEXTS TO WORK IN, they cant just go "oh yeah browser do this gpu stuff for me, and use the gpu process the 12 other tabs/pwas are using so you dont need to spawn the 12th GPU process"

so even in a BEST case scenario it will use more resources for that reason alone

ignoring all the OS specific bullshit you'd need to load and deal with as a native app

which PWAs do as a shared base entry cost, which is made more and more negligible the more PWAs you run

and this mf goes "nu-uh, i'd know more about this, as a person who doesnt do web dev, doesnt touch web apps, and hasnt spent any time researching it"

[supple whale]

and you want me to keep it civil against that

like brotha man hold me pls

im bout to use the derogatory "sir" again

[ivory heath]

Each decoded frame of a 1080 video is 4MB in size.
Like i said the source files sizes does not matter and its actually pretty impressive MPV uses as little as it does with the performance it has.
You are overstating the cost of having a gpu stream unless youre too browser brained as the shared constant state is all gpu driver side.
even if creating a gpu stream was expensive (it isnt) EVERYTHING about a PWA is less efficient than native.

[supple whale]

except ofc, actual resource usage like memory, cpu, gpu and ofc filesize, as that entire video player is <1MB

[ivory heath]

You are conflating facts and details to suck off browsers when they suck ass and 99% of things could be ran in a terminal with less than 1mb

[supple whale]

sure if you use browsers for things a text editor can

but then just use firefox, since that's all its good for

i'm not doing that

i'm using it as a video player, as an image viewer, as an IDE

and i'm not saying mpv is shit

on the contrary i'm saying how good it is

and it simply cant beat what a pwa based env offers when it comes to resource utilization

[shrewd canopy]

is resource utilization the only argument you gonna use?

[supple whale]

yes

[ivory heath]

you are over estimating the ammount of resources chrome can share between "apps"
chrome itself has a heavy start up cost (thats actually mostly cache files)

[ivory heath]

yeah ignoring speed or anything lese

[supple whale]

because as long as you're real-time it doesnt matter what kind of perf you get, so i will

[ivory heath]

YES IT DOES WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON

BATTERY LIFE HELLO?

[supple whale]

because if you're running at 200fps, 1ms and 5ms is no difference

[ivory heath]

ANY OPTIMIZATION

[supple whale]

yes, which directly corelates to resource usage

smh

[ivory heath]

CPU USAGE ONLY

and gpu cough

[supple whale]

nope, you're underestimating it, chrome maxes out at roughly 2TB of RAM, and roughly 4GB of VRAM, and doesnt restrict cpu usage in any way, but yeah initial chromium cost is high, which is why:

you're just not reading

[supple whale]

yep

and shit

who would have thought

browsers run native code

SHOCKER

OH MY GOD

but you're running it once

not 12 times

^^

[ivory heath]

cant wait till 2028 when UE7 is just a js lib

perfect future for the web dev

[supple whale]

i never talked about video games

so far i only mentioned video playback, a torrent client and an image viewer

you're just derailing because you're running out of things to argue

[ivory heath]

you just dont get it

[supple whale]

that said, running video games in web isnt impossible, thanks to webgpu's vulkan, but.... the translation layers we have so far arent... good in any way tbf, so i wouldnt attempt it

[supple whale]

nah you just dont get it, you're comparing 1 native app vs 1 pwa, i'm comparing 12 native apps vs 12 pwas

[lavish frigate]

if in the future i turn on my pc and its entirely made out of pwas, i open explorer and it takes 5 minutes to load my files because it was made in react or some other dumbass framework im becoming an eco terrorist

[supple whale]

well... yes, but see this is why i said

react doesnt qualify as that

as discord so kindly proved that

[shrewd canopy]

I don't think PWA can't be decent lol

[supple whale]

that just means u cant do it

i've been running almost everything i can, in a reasonable amount, as a PWA

youtube music, discord, image viewers, music players

vscode doesnt rly work great as a PWA, and steam is closed down too tightly to allow to be ran as a PWA, there's no way to do file explorers as PWAs due to security sandboxing in browsers, and for a torrent client i need to run nodejs in electron, which is unfortunately not a PWA :/

[lavish cloud]

PWAs my behated

Why must everything be JS

[supple whale]

honestly, yeah, there are very few good PWAs out there, like very few, its also a love hate relationship for me, but the potential is crazy for me

[supple whale]

low time to product costs, low implementation cost, low simplicity

is what'd i'd boil it down to from personal experience

[lavish cloud]

Honestly that's why I do everything in Kotlin

Whether I need native or JVM or WASM, it just works

[supple whale]

yeah.... i kiiinda get that

[royal nymph]

please just don't make websites with compose web 😭

[supple whale]

java promised, what js actually delivered

java promised full cross platform code

[lavish cloud]

Too late, I already have multiple that are live

[royal nymph]

i will shoot...

[supple whale]

but then never actually implemented any native API's around that

[royal nymph]

[lavish cloud]

Lemme DM you one

[royal nymph]

i mean it is, it's just that the ui libraries for it kinda suck

[supple whale]

and it ends up that your core codebase is in java, and cross platform, but then you have 3 libraries for calling native, one for linux, one for windows and one for mac

[royal nymph]

no one likes Swing

[supple whale]

its not even that

[lavish cloud]

Compose Desktop tho

[supple whale]

its just... the language itself

[royal nymph]

thats kotlin not java

[supple whale]

like the standards of the lanaguage

or lack there of

W3C is trully carrying JS

with the cross platform standards for everything

shit, we even got standards for raw GPU access now

i could trully see myself using kotlin more, if only it was trully cross platform with anything you do

like fuck, i love the threading implementations in kotlin

that shit's honestly great

well the IDE kinda sucks too, but oh well

[ivory heath]

im sure youll prefer any other languages threading model lol

[supple whale]

over kotlins? probably only Go tbf, C++ is decent, but its C++, i'd rather kill myself than touch that, i shake when i see makefiles

[ivory heath]

make files are easy

kolins is the same as javas, c is similar to go if youre using pthreads, c++ is very simple as well.

[supple whale]

until there are 4 of them, you're trying to compile for non x86 and you're trying to touch any flags

because fuck sane defaults right?

you know what's easy?

no makefiles

[lavish cloud]

I don't really like the JVM's thread system myself but I do love kotlinx.coroutines

[supple whale]

oh yeah

i mean how the developer writes it

not how it itself is implemented

[lavish cloud]

fair

[ivory heath]

oh you mean green threads?

[supple whale]

C++'s ways are nice for it, but C++ itself is hell to work with, so I wouldnt consider using it

kotlin is really nice to work with, nice and friendly, no footguns every quarter step

go even more so

[lavish cloud]

There's a funky trick you can do

1. Grab Kotlin Native
2. Set up targets in Gradle
3. Add an empty Kotlin file (might need an entrypoint if executable)
4. Set up the compile task to -Xextra-compile file.cpp for each cpp file
5. ???
6. Profit

[supple whale]

honestly, at that point i'd just do rust or go bindings

[lavish cloud]

That's how I used xsimd for all native build targets for https://github.com/Martmists-GH/ndarray.simd

[supple whale]

but the problem is, if you're say importing harfbuzz

[ivory heath]

-Xextra-compile file.cpp
kotlins not gonna resolve libs for you lol

[supple whale]

you still need makefiles to compile harfbuzz itself, and then hook it in go

which is just... the same cancer, but with extra steps

[lavish cloud]

It's minimal effort with the klib format (or specifying manually)

Though honestly

Gradle might be the best build system ever created

[supple whale]

thats only really true when its your own C++ ur workign with

which is not the growing pains of C++

[lavish cloud]

Fair

[supple whale]

the cancer of C++ is trying to import 3rd party libs

[lavish cloud]

I remember trying to import mbedtls

I ended up writing my own TLS impl for Nintendo Switch

And then my own http/ws clients...

[ivory heath]

i assume youre on windows?

[supple whale]

see, you just answered your own question

^^

[lavish cloud]

It's a problem on every platform

[lavish cloud]

Where

[supple whale]

nope, because harfbuzz doesnt even compile correctly on windows!

so i have to use WSL and linux to compile it

WOOOO C++

HELL YEAH BAYBE

[ivory heath]

yeah compiling c/c++ is super easy on linux

[lavish cloud]

Ah yes because I can easily use JS on the fucking Nintendo Switch

[supple whale]

hasnt stopped me yet

shit i put nodejs on android

[lavish cloud]

I'd love to see you try

It's genuinely make modding quite a bit easier I think

Except for the part where you've got essentially no heap and BSS is very limited

malloc has a 90% chance of breaking so you'll need to use fakeheap

[supple whale]

yeah i saw, switch is insanely cancer to work with

[lavish cloud]

There's essentially no libc methods either like socket/select/close/clock/etc

Or are those considered musl

I forget

Either way

You gotta use their dedicated APIs

Which, depending on the game, you might not even have access to

[ivory heath]

what is this? just a alloca?

[lavish cloud]

if you malloc() from a separate nss file at the wrong time, nn::mem::Allocator will throw a fit and hard crash

And often that happens on the rendering thread for some reason so you can't even debug it

[ivory heath]

yes so im asking what youre using as a fake heap. my first assumption is just using your own stack space as a pseudo self managed heap

[lavish cloud]

Uhhh

Whatever exlaunch does

I believe it's just a BSS-based heap

Of like 16MB?

Probably less actually

Oh but no global ctors that use classes of course

Because those don't malloc but instead operator.new

Which doesn't use the fakeheap and has all of the aforementioned malloc issues

[supple whale]

im so happy i just use my android phone as a steam deck and dont have any of these problems

[lavish cloud]

I like to think everything I've posted here before is enough proof of me being a psychopath

[ivory heath]

you are a certified one and i respect it

[lavish cloud]

And I haven't even shown my code for interacting with cpython from pure python without need for ctypes or anything wacky

The easiest one just uses /proc/self/mem but on windows we actually use EX_ARG 255 times to overflow the argument handler and get access to the entire memory by abusing a memoryview on an object that technically doesn't exist

But I believe that has since been patched so we're SOL on modern python on windows

But the bytecode modification tools should still work more or less

[supple whale]

i think i've posted all the unhinged code i've written over the years here

the libass wasm wrapper is probably the craziest one tho

webtorrent client stuff is up there too i guess

i fucking decided that the easiest way to do color space conversion for subtitles is to pre-compute all combinations of colorspaces into a color matrix

and use svg filters in the browser to have the browser convert the color spaces for me

[lavish cloud]

https://github.com/AndroidAudioMods/ViPERFX_RE is probably the only somewhat sane project I ever did

[supple whale]

most of my shit is fairly sane considering its meant to be used in production, and most of the time i'm just writing drop-in replacements for dogshit libraries other people wrote

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/video-deband/blob/main/src/shaders.js

this one is fun tho

@royal nymph look, these guys have you beat in how long it takes them to merge shit https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/44947

8 months

XDDDDDDDDDD

2 loc per month

lines of docs actually not loc

[royal nymph]

no one can beat gnome tho

cough cough gtk file picker cough thumbnails cough 18 years

[supple whale]

[lavish cloud]

I mean I also have some code for production like my GraphQL server impl that actually uses kx.coroutines and has a nice DSL, and a GraphQL client where you actually write gql: kotlin gql.query { me { name friends(limit=10) { // : is invalid kotlin name } } }

[royal nymph]

why is this better than just writing it as string

[lavish cloud]

Because strings can have syntax errors or target fields that some objects might not have since they're not checked

This just uses the type system directly

[supple whale]

string? syntax error? what?

[royal nymph]

in typescript you can use the typesystem to check this

gql.query`
  me {
    name
    friends(limit=10) {
      name
    }
  }
`;

[royal nymph]

like invalid queries

[supple whale]

yeah, but he's not doing that, so he doesnt have them

i dont think he means gql errors

but language errors???

[lavish cloud]

Like if I do quert{ ... } that's not valid but the compiler doesn't know and it'll error at runtime
Also since it's a string the compiler won't know the return type and you have to do ugly casts

[supple whale]

ah so you dont have tooling for checking the queries in strings

ic

yeah

for js we need to have ts lang server plugins to verify string queries

[lavish cloud]

I mean I probably could write a Kotlin compiler plugin for it but this was much simpler

plus it does typed returns

[supple whale]

yeah we have that too

[lavish cloud]

Oh god I forgot TS has string literal types

[supple whale]

but again, requires a plugin

[supple whale]

nah it doesnt

its a custom plugin

[lavish cloud]

Oh

[supple whale]

it can parse any string like that

ya simply do A

and you're set

[lavish cloud]

But yeah I'm just happy that this entire thing works entirely ootb and is also usable from Java where we don't have compiler plugins or C/C++ if you really hate yourself

[supple whale]

yeah no

implementing that kind of shit is insane

your solution is simpler, but isnt 1:1 gql syntax

[lavish cloud]

It's as close as can be while being valid kotlin syntax

[supple whale]

yeh

[lavish cloud]

I have to substitute : for = and that's it

Also can I just say

[supple whale]

well i imagine shit like this

[lavish cloud]

Fuck whoever decided GQL should have introspection

[supple whale]

or this

[lavish cloud]

That shit took me a solid 3 weeks to implement on my server

[supple whale]

would be hard

[royal nymph]

technically you could implement it in purely the type system but that's unhinged

usually you just make an extension xD

[supple whale]

sir thats the only good thing about gql

XD

[royal nymph]

the type system is turing complete so if you're dedicated enough you can make ANYTHING in purely the type system

[supple whale]

well that and entity normalization

[lavish cloud]

Oh there I just did kotlin me { fragment on User { name } } iirc
I also supported expansion of fragments specified elsewhere in the thingy using some syntax but I forgot what it was

[supple whale]

not bad then

[lavish cloud]

I believe the only thing I don't support is the @skip modifier

I do support custom scalars tho

[supple whale]

you can also enjoy this if u want to https://github.com/ThaUnknown/matroska-metadata/blob/main/src/index.js

metadata provider for mkv/webm files, based on my custom pure js ebml parser

XDDDD

[lavish cloud]

Map<any, {...}>
I forgot TS can just have objects as types rather than specific classes, that shit was a nightmare when I had to work with prismjs and nestjs when their types were minimally different

Because some devs where I worked would just try to transform the object

Whereas I used proper database/response classes

[supple whale]

prismjs and nestjs
see this is where ur problem lies

[lavish cloud]

https://github.com/Martmists-GH/multiplatform-everything/blob/master/src/commonMain/kotlin/com/martmists/multiplatform/validation/Email.kt
Full RFC 5322 email validation

[supple whale]

hell yeah, new line feed based protocols

i did a loooooooot of that

ftp, tftp, and most notably nntp

[lavish cloud]

In that same repo you'll also find a BigNum implementation that can go up to 10{1000}10

[supple whale]

X D

WHY

[lavish cloud]

where 10{0}10 = 10+10, 10{1}10 = 10*10, 10{2}10 = 10^10, etc
Implementing tetration was fun

[supple whale]

i did this https://github.com/ThaUnknown/nzb-file/blob/main/src/index.ts

a File implementation on top of the nntp protocol

[lavish cloud]

Oooh NZB my behated

[supple whale]

which TLDR means u interact witha File object, as if it was a local file

but in practice it streams data real-time over nttp

which means, you can stream NNTP files

1st one in the world btw

idk why no1 else has done it, it was so simple to do

and so you can just hook that File into a video player

[lavish cloud]

Oh man I wish I still had my minimal lua ext-like filesystem implementation somewhere

[supple whale]

and stream nntp directly into a video player

without needing to download anything fully

pure streaming WOOO

XD

i also did the same for normal HTTP files too https://github.com/ThaUnknown/url-file

[lavish cloud]

Nice

[supple whale]

but thats boring cuz its easy

the NNTP one was sick

[lavish cloud]

Tho for that one you can just use ffmpeg

[supple whale]

well

it returns a file object

you wouldnt necessairly use it for playback

it could be anything

[lavish cloud]

ic

Fair enough

[supple whale]

it could be a zip

which are also streamable, as long as its not compressed

[lavish cloud]

Oh speaking of zips

Fucking nightmare that format is

[supple whale]

so you could stream a zip, over nntp and extrractt a single file from it

[lavish cloud]

I tried writing an impl for reading zips and gave uo

[supple whale]

https://github.com/jimmywarting/zip-go/blob/main/lib/read.js surprisingly easy to do in browsers, zip streaming that is

[lavish cloud]

It's clearly designed for spreading files across multiple floppies

(or is it floppys)

[supple whale]

is it now?

never noticed that

[lavish cloud]

I don't know what the plural of floppy (n) is

[lavish cloud]

The footer specifies which chunk it is and for each file it tracks which chunks are on what parts of which parts

[supple whale]

i cant wait till i implement nzb streaming into my client

but its so much work i cba for now

[lavish cloud]

I still need to fix my dungeon generation code 😭

[supple whale]

hah

i caught up on backlog this week

i'm now only 3 years behind

i got to the shit i wanted to do 3 years ago

aka PE/MSE

which i... kinda did

[lavish cloud]

It'll probably just be a DFS but rotating rooms and making sure they fit and that if they fit they don't obstruct other rooms is not fun

[supple whale]

so i'm actually running out of things to work on

which i never thought would come

[supple whale]

oh yeah i saw plenty of this

its not actually insanely hard to do

[lavish cloud]

Try making your own game engine using nothing but OpenGL

[supple whale]

if anything i'd do webgpu

since opengl alr exists via unity

[lavish cloud]

It's just annoying with how I tried to be efficient in memory because now rotating a room is something I need to think about for 6 hours to figure out what happens

Because I support variable shape rooms with doors in any position

[supple whale]

btw since you clearly like cool toys

look up android 16 terminal display server

and start thinking of all the unhinged shit you'll be able to do

I'll be doing proton

[runic sundial]

Do a deep dive into OpenGL 1.0

And use only that to make a video game

[brittle frigate]

i recently started working on something that uses TS language service plugins
i love it

i can just take the ast and go wild

[ornate quiver]

https://pornbiz.com/post/17/the_scam_of_age_verification

good article
god i hate id age verification

[spark aspen]

hi can you look at to my dms pls

[royal nymph]

seems slightly biased

so true tho all this legislation is horrid

[ornate quiver]

yeah no doubt but all the points are pretty valid

[spark aspen]

[austere idol]

i explictly support piracy

[ornate quiver]

?
I agree but how is this related

[austere idol]

idk

av is some kind of drm, and i dont like drm

[ornate quiver]

i guess if you stretch the definition yes
drm is for the IP owner though

[calm terrace]

finish manager

[shrewd canopy]

No thanks I'm not changing my beloved C++ to terrible JS

[placid cape]

C++ 😭

[supple whale]

DW you can stay writing C++, we need people to implement W3C standards into JS, which is almost always native code

it's the only reason good JS isn't actually any slower than native code, unlike what many synthetic benchmarks will lead you to believe

since you're still just simply calling native code from js

[supple whale]

native dom 3d rendering

wikkid

[winged mantle]

css is turing complete

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty how to remove ads from youtube on ios

[fleet cedar]

Sledgehammer always works

[nimble bone]

@ornate quiver when is manager dropping

[shrewd canopy]

Does 'Get Android phone and Revanced on it" work? Or nah

[lavish cloud]

Finally got my dungeon generation code to work

[lavish frigate]

love how insane web dev is sometimes, thought id have to get in a depedency to resize images on the client... nope!

[supple whale]

so much for custom shapes and door placements

xD

[crude star]

web is the future

[lavish frigate]

not if i eat the internet cables

[crude star]

good luck finding them

we forgot where they are

[lavish frigate]

nom

[crude star]

doesn't x,y start from top left

[lavish frigate]

yea?

[crude star]

why are you drawing in the middle

[lavish frigate]

i am not

you do not have to find bugs in my code

because im already using it and it works

😭

[austere idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1024286218801926184/1270946760914894879/togif.gif

[crude star]

wāw

[lavish frigate]

this sped up the speed of the page by like 500% because before id just load 4k images into those 50x50 pixel divs

before using actual objecturls id also just convert the blobs into base64 urls and put them into the attributes which mightve caused devtools to crash on multiple occasions

[crude star]

that's interesting I wouldn't expect that to be too much of a problem

[lavish frigate]

well

i also had 10 images there

and its a start page so you really do feel any slow down

[crude star]

ok base64 url is kinda ass

[lavish frigate]

uhhm

let me check

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=DominicVonk.parameter-hints

this should be it

[lavish frigate]

really is, i didnt know about objecturls before tbh cuz i never needed them

but i have no backend here so i cant just get the images from cdn i have to store them in object storage of indexeddb

[crude star]

they're a way to get an easy memory leak

[lavish frigate]

npnp

[lavish frigate]

also true

but i mean i just do this

[crude star]

??= now

[lavish frigate]

nope

[supple whale]

https://tenor.com/view/catgirl-true-fact-checked-fact-checked-by-real-catgirls-real-catgirls-gif-6150500953193565843

[austere idol]

CATGIRLS!!!!!

[winged mantle]

is there an extension which makes youir code look like scratch blocks

[jade stone]

guhhh what does this mean

[jade stone]

oh i'm blind

my cargo is outdated

[solemn ravine]

it never ends

[solemn ravine]

@young flicker fix my constraints

wthhh

[spark aspen]

l

[jade stone]

what does the bang mean before a trait impl

[supple whale]

non nullable?

[jade stone]

that makes no sense

[crude star]

it means it doesnt implement it

its not unwindable, sendable, or synchronized

but those traits are usually implemented automatically

[royal nymph]

I'll unwind, send and synchronise you @crude star

🧙‍♂️

[lavish frigate]

rude

[crude star]

wtf

thats unsafe

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/panic/trait.UnwindSafe.html is funny

[lavish cloud]

made it work with unusual section shapes too :3

[supple whale]

now add verticality

like stairase rooms and shit

[lavish cloud]

should be fairly doable

atm its hardcoded at y 100

[supple whale]

and then you'll be almost caught up to that one wynncraft clone server

ventrella?

[lavish cloud]

only downside is that there's a limit to verticality

[supple whale]

300 blocks

so not rly

[lavish cloud]

but something it could run into

other problem: it currently never creates loops

no clue how to check for those tbh

especially when at least 1 terminal node must exist

[supple whale]

you dont need to check if its a loop, since your entrances and exists are aligned

loops will just create themselves sometimes

especially if your process is substraction from a world of stone, rather than addition to empty world

if its a dead end its simply stone

if its a loop it will simply connect

[lavish cloud]

right so

[supple whale]

you can be giga lazy about it

[lavish cloud]

this is for void worlds

so dead ends are a big no no

[supple whale]

ah you want it infinite

[lavish cloud]

other issue:

if its free to create loops

it could create a P shape

and have nowhere to place the exit

[supple whale]

it wouldnt see itself as creating a loop

it will be a loop to the player, but not the algo itself

[lavish cloud]

right but

how do I ensure there can be an exit

[supple whale]

you have a matcher for where an exit is for a given node no?

simply check if there's already a node in the direction of an exit, there is that means its "blocked" and you try the next shape

until you can solve

if u cant, you go back to the previous node and try changing that one

no?

or am i overcomplicating this

[lavish cloud]

so how its currently done

it marks all terminal nodes (not including start)

and picks a random one to become the exit

[supple whale]

right so you simply need to go back a step if you cant generate a valid exit for a given terminal node

or pick a different terminal node, and if none match undo 1 generation step

simply brute-force a solution

its not very efficient, but it doesnt need to be

its not like its of high compute

realistically i'd personally do it with a bounding box system, rather than an exit node based grid

since it allows for WAY better room generation, since rooms wont feel so "same-y" to the player

[lavish cloud]

I have no way to undo generation

[supple whale]

get coding then

[lavish cloud]

Got any reference impls? Here's the current code for reference

whoops that one TODO is no longer needed

[supple whale]

play.mysticrunes.net implemented this kidn of system

maybe they wrote a blog

you could investigate

[lavish cloud]

dont see one

but also how can you make sure rooms line up with each other without using an exit node grid

[supple whale]

check their discord or ask their staff, im sure they will be quite enthusiastic to talk about it

they definetly implemented the best procedurally generated dungeon system i've ever seen

it was amazing

[supple whale]

you dont need to, you only define the exit points in a given shape

then you pre-calculate the bounding for each room, and fit them like puzzles making sure they dont collide

[lavish cloud]

[supple whale]

ofc this makes it way more common for dungeons to randomly end since well the more complex the shapes the more likely you'll be to run yourself into a dead end, which is why they had an undo system

i remember seeing a video on it

yeah they have a yt channel but i guess its not here https://www.youtube.com/@mysticrunesyt/videos

i probs saw it in their discord

this was almost a decade ago at this point tho lol

[lavish cloud]

[supple whale]

I'm old, leave me alone

[lavish cloud]

asked in their discord, here's to hoping they respond

[supple whale]

haha

[lavish cloud]

if you ever find the video or know a rough key term to search for lmk

[supple whale]

I mean it was ages ago

it was possible it was some exclusive showcase given to a wynncraft youtuber for promotion

it was that long ago

I remember it was a view from outside of the dungeon of it generating

kinda like yours but with fully built rooms

[lavish cloud]

tfw going through message history and seeing this
I was on the overtale dev team way back then

[supple whale]

oh yeah I remember jabberdrake

don't really remember where from

[lavish cloud]

probably from that server

[supple whale]

nah from wynn

[lavish cloud]

ic

idk what wynn is tbh

[solemn ravine]

asiuhdxgsaxndasx asx if xied the constraints im so smart

[solemn ravine]

trying to fix this for horizontal now

[lucid trail]

are you still supposed to use thin/thick/etc materials in tahoe

[solemn ravine]

why shouldnt you?

but what does that relate to here

[lucid trail]

it kinda looked like you those materials, i was wondering if they did anything like encourgaging you to use liquid glass or something

[solemn ravine]

their guidelines show that liquid ass should only be used for navigation elements or items that need to hover

regardless thats (publicly) not out so its none of my concerns

@woven mesa should it be a grid or a stack (with slight rotation like in finder)

[jade stone]

does anyone have experience with native c++ interop from java/kotlin

i have no idea where to start

google yields nothing useful

[frosty obsidian]

try asking zeet

[jade stone]

i did in dms

[frosty obsidian]

he made ffmpeg wrapper in kotlin

[jade stone]

also from what i can tell that's just wrapping java bindings for ffmpeg

i want to make the java bindings

guh

[frosty obsidian]

https://github.com/bytedeco/javacpp-presets

[civic vector]

misclick

💀

[frosty obsidian]

https://github.com/bytedeco/javacpp/wiki/Mapping-Recipes

https://github.com/bytedeco/javacpp?tab=readme-ov-file#getting-started

[jade stone]

yeah, i saw all that

the docs suck

[ornate quiver]

look for jni libs and copy what they do

[lavish cloud]

Hi yes me

JNI is the easiest one to do

[jade stone]

do you have a good example you can point me to

[lavish cloud]

Erm

A bad one but yes

[jade stone]

that's fine

[lavish cloud]

I did JNI with knative in https://github.com/Martmists-GH/ndarray.simd (i believe in desktopNativeMain source set?)

Ignore Gradle because that's a mess

The important part is to have a function named e.g. Java_com_martmists_ndarray_simd_NativeSpeedup_vecAddVec and then in Java/Kotlin have a class com.martmists.ndarray.simd.NativeSpeedup with native/external (for Java/Kotlin respectively) method vecAddVec

[jade stone]

yeah

i got that part

i just need to figure out how to integrate the native build to gradle

[lavish cloud]

right so that's the part that sucks

I hijack the kotlin native compiler tasks and just add my C++ sources to that so it compiles the JNI for each architecture/OS. Downside is needing each library and setting up linking through Kotlin cinterops

[jade stone]

im looking to comple java

[lavish cloud]

You will need C++ for the JNI code

[jade stone]

yeah

[lavish cloud]

Alternatively you could try JNA but I've got zero experience there

Supposedly it's less painful to work with and doesn't need C++, but idk how it works

[jade stone]

does it matter if it doesnt need c++ if im writing c++

[lavish cloud]

wdym

If you want to just write bindings for an existing library, JNA is likely easier

If you're writing your own, probably JNI but god help you

Also if you're targeting macos I suggest you give up before you try

[jade stone]

i'll build for mac when apple provides an easy way for me to make a macos vm

(on windows or linux)

[lavish cloud]

True

Or if it becomes actually doable to compile for macos in GitHub actions

[jade stone]

until then, mac users can cry or buy me a mac device

[lavish cloud]

But as long as math.h doesn't exist I can't do shit

[lavish cloud]

Same

[jade stone]

tbh it's not even that

if i cant build and test my software on the platfrom it will be running on, i can't support it

[ornate quiver]

@jade stone I forgot I did this

https://github.com/unbound-app/libunbound-android

basic setup

[jade stone]

yeah, i found the android guide for adding cmake to your build

but that's android only

and i need desktop

[ornate quiver]

ive never seen someone do it for desktop

husk

[solemn ravine]

wtf rushii unbound dev

[jade stone]

i need to interface with libappindicator

the java.awt class for it is just broken

[frosty obsidian]

huge indents

[lavish cloud]

You can probably just add a simple stub task that invokes cmake, no?

[jade stone]

my experience with gradle is copy and pasting blindly from the internet

copilot time

[lavish cloud]

val cmakeBuild by tasks.registering {
    doFirst {
        exec("cmake", "--build", "dir")
    }
    outputs.file(...)
}

val processResources by tasks.existing(Copy::class) {
    from(cmakeBuild)
}

[jade stone]

does that make it a build dependency

[lavish cloud]

Something along those lines

On mobile at 4am so don't trust it 100% but I believe that's more or less what it should be

[jade stone]

yeah

ty

[ornate quiver]

its just one tab

github isnt consistent in its rendering

[frosty obsidian]

8 spaces

[lavish cloud]

This is why people always say spaces are better than tabs

Tabs are not consistent

[ornate quiver]

no github just renders them wrong

theyre better

looks like i didnt use tabs for cpp for some reason

idk why

continuation indent is 8 spaces guh

[lavish cloud]

You are stupid I know more than you

[frosty obsidian]

the github app renders them as 8 spaces and gloom uses 1

should fix that but idk how

[solemn ravine]

people looking at my code on github and wondering why my tabs are absurd

[jade stone]

you can change how tabs are renedered in github in your settings

same with the github app

bottom of

https://github.com/settings/appearance

[frosty obsidian]

can't change it in the app

[jade stone]

guh?

am i going insane

yeah, i am

[ornate quiver]

the default for rendering tabs in a repo is extracted from editorconfig btw

but not for direct links to commits in a repo (bug)

[jade stone]

does editorconfig provide tab size

i thought it only provided number of spaces

[ornate quiver]

both

[jade stone]

neat

GUH

oh

neat

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa look how epic this is

[woven mesa]

is it performant

[solemn ravine]

i'd say so

[woven mesa]

yay

what odes it look like if you temporarily remove label color

[solemn ravine]

well there is a lag spike when first showing it

[woven mesa]

i will profile and find where its from

[solemn ravine]

its probably just from trying to first create the collectionview

you dont normally see this when opening a window but when using an animation at the same time you can

not really a problem though

[woven mesa]

ill still try to see if the hang can be avoided

is this new repo or new branch

[solemn ravine]

new repo

also it has support for vertical

[woven mesa]

add

[solemn ravine]

it shows blank because newlines

moment

[woven mesa]

true

[solemn ravine]

https://github.com/khcrysalis/Copyboard

[solemn ravine]

the text preview is so hard to see with it being small

so I made the title just be the data

[woven mesa]

fair

[solemn ravine]

its so strange

theres a bit of funny quirks rn

[winged mantle]

what the freak

[fleet cedar]

Nice line spacing

[winged mantle]

ok nvm i hate c++

[ionic lake]

you're not the first

[winged mantle]

what is [:e:] meant to be

idk i think this syntax might be invalid

fever dream

[winged mantle]

everybody likes c++ until the first version that comes out after they begin learning

[crude star]

i think its some special syntax highlighting failing bad

sometimes that website has like inline urls in code but idk why its one letter

[winged mantle]

ah

i was horrified

is this the basket operator or something

[crude star]

brisket operator

[winged mantle]

oh no it does seem to be real

seems like a proposal though

[crude star]

wtf

they ran out of syntax 😭

[winged mantle]

from now on i just code rust

would rather learn borrowing, stealing, burglary and pointer alchemy than this

[crude star]

IT IS REAL

horror

https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2023/p2996r0.html#splicers

[austere idol]

rini

[valid jetty]

you can now write

typename[:^char:] c = '*';
``` instead of
```cpp
char c = '*';

^T gives you a type info struct for reflection at compile time

[austere idol]

yay ugly syntax

[valid jetty]

[:T:] turns that type info struct back into the type

[winged mantle]

rust errors are like

Susan is currently using this memory. Please ask her nicely for it back using the `please` keyword.
 please i += 1;
   ^
   |
   |
add here

[lavish frigate]

And it’s great because you almost never not understand what went wrong unlike with other languages which would just say shit like You were not polite enough.

[winged mantle]

horror

[lavish cloud]

@supple whale was it something like this one? https://vazgriz.com/119/procedurally-generated-dungeons/

[supple whale]

nope not even close

this one uses corridors to connect rooms

[lavish cloud]

because all info they gave me was this

[supple whale]

yeah sounds roughly like what i described

[lavish cloud]

so it sorta sounds like what I do but instead of doing chunk-aligned it's completely variable based on the structure and it just has offsets to doors?

except mine doesn't do loops

[supple whale]

yep

and bounding boxes for collisions

[lavish cloud]

pain

[supple whale]

so u can have variable shapes

as i said, that server probs has the best procedurally generated dungeons ive seen

and they made them a decade ago

[lavish cloud]

well bounding boxes are easy thats just the structure size if im lazy or some funky optimalizations if im willing to do some ugly mixins

not being chunk-aligned is annoying tho

[supple whale]

yes, but its MUCH better for players

chunk aligned dungeons get boring after the 3rd room

[lavish cloud]

but performance... this already takes 4-5 seconds to generate

[lavish cloud]

fair

[supple whale]

skill issue ig

xD

[lavish cloud]

then you implement it smh

you have the easy part of the code already from what I shared earlier

[supple whale]

i'd never use java for it

but yeah i could

[ornate quiver]

https://cadence.moe/blog/2025-07-02-the-most-mysterious-bug-i-solved-at-work

[lavish frigate]

php

[winged mantle]

PusH Processor status

[worthy sun]

was TSX transfer stack ptr to X ?

no

was it one of those undocumented ones

wait

oh i was right the first time

[worthy sun]

oh im removing my vote in that case

[solemn ravine]

@young flicker tabview

sonoma where

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i lost half my wpm 🥀 💔 🚡

(on qwerty)

this guy broke so i have to use a normal kb now

[frail turtle]

that keyboard is so cool !

[winged mantle]

oh yeah there's also a jsr instruction

https://jsr.io/

jump to subroutine

[dense sand]

jsr is jvm instruction, isnt it?

[winged mantle]

i thought it was invoke virtual or something

[fleet cedar]

No invoke virtual is INVOKEVIRTUAL

[winged mantle]

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING

[fleet cedar]

That's how bytecode instructions are typically written

[winged mantle]

i don't think i've ever seen a project using raw bytecode

*unless through an api

[fleet cedar]

Yeah nobody touches raw bytecode

That's what ow2 is for

[royal nymph]

what does overwatch 2 have to do with this??

[fleet cedar]

Working with javabytecode, duh

Get with the times

[winged mantle]

i don't think there's a standard string representation

don't asm languages tend to be case insensitive with instructions

or are there just some which use upper and some which use lower

[crude star]

/run nasm ```asm
BITS 64
GLOBAL _start
_start:
MOV RAX, 4
MOV RDI, 1
MOV RSI, hello
MOV RDX, 3
SYSCALL
MOV RAX, 1
MOV RDI, 0
SYSCALL

SECTION .data
hello db "hi\n"

[rugged berry]

@crude star I received nasm(2.15.5) compile errors

file0.code:6: warning: 64-bit unsigned relocation zero-extended from 32 bits [-w+zext-reloc]
/piston/packages/nasm/2.15.5/run: line 5: 1698552 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) ./binary "$@"

[crude star]

virus

i think most assembly languages are case insensitive

for the same reason sql is

no syntax highlighting

[shrewd canopy]

There is, its x86asm

xor rdi, rdi
mov rsi, 4
syscall
ret

[crude star]

historically

asm existed way before fancy editors

horror why cant i remember x86-64 linux abi

[lavish cloud]

ow2 my beloved (except it doesn't split function bodies over 64kb automatically)

[fleet cedar]

Can't say that's ever bothered me

[winged mantle]

use asm to rename all functions in jar to PascalCase

[fleet cedar]

Rename all functions in jar to snowman emoji

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/onehappyfellow/status/1941063342778663069

https://x.com/traits_reality/status/1941178773635989690

One Happy Fellow (@onehappyfellow)

I'm not a fan of the C programming language but I give credit where credits due:

The "tends towards" operator --> is a programming language design masterpiece.

X · Jul 4, 2025, 9:15 AM

sin-ack (@traits_reality)

not many people know this, but you can also glide down to a value

X · Jul 4, 2025, 4:54 PM

[supple whale]

??????????????

[lavish frigate]

for x in (1..=5).rev() {
  println!("{x}");
}

[royal nymph]

@crude star

[crude star]

true.....

[valid jetty]

this is almost valid elle code..

for x in (1..=5).rev() {
  $println(x);
}
``` silly

[crude star]

@royal nymph u love nix syntax

-> boolean operator

!a || b

[lavish frigate]

php...

/run

<?php
$println = "print";
$println(1);

[rugged berry]

Here is your php(8.2.3) output @lavish frigate

Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function print() in /piston/jobs/e1f3f509-aff3-4255-bf2d-b59f99187d2b/file0.code:3
Stack trace:
#0 {main}
  thrown in /piston/jobs/e1f3f509-aff3-4255-bf2d-b59f99187d2b/file0.code on line 3

[lavish frigate]

oh right

print isnt a function in php

its a "language construct"

[hollow blaze]

So basically i cannot find anything revelant to it or i'm bit restarted, where i can find something that would allow me to change another user local volume or mute him? (in vencord)

maybe someone has it

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice its happening

im FINALLY writing a real academic document on this stupid language

in typst ofc

[hollow blaze]

(mods don't banish me into the shadow realm, this is only question i ask )

[valid jetty]

look at these sources..

[valid jetty]

i swear this is a stock feature

you can just right click on them while theyre in the vc and theres a slider

or maybe im remembering wrong

[hollow blaze]

yes but i want to do the funnies, basically I have rpi2040 with rotary encoder

[valid jetty]

but i remember that

[lavish frigate]

why would you ask this here is the question

[hollow blaze]

and i want to bind it to change volume of specific user

[lavish frigate]

and not in vencord support

[hollow blaze]

i bound it to F13/F14/F15 keys

I got all the events and custom plugin stuff but for god's sake i cannot find volume change in vencord

and im digging in the code for 2 hours already

[hollow blaze]

in vencord support is support related to vencord built in stuff, not custom built

i don't have access to vencord development channels either

nor i need access to them for more than 15 minutes

so i asked it here with the hope someone will know maybe

[jade stone]

shamelessly copying SO posts

[jade stone]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/1015060230222131221/1220547379657314454

[hollow blaze]

I know, but

1. There are 3 options to select and all of them are related to creating public stuff, and I'm making custom plugin for private use cuz it's for rpi2040 integration
2. Even if, do I really need to request access for 15 minutes as I said above?

[jade stone]

yes, the channels are gated because people will just ask for normal support in them if they aren't

[hollow blaze]

Ok, i thought you can only request access if you want to contribute lmao

[hollow blaze]

And ye, quite reasonable in this kind of server

[woven mesa]

i love combine

combine is so cool

i wanna explode i cant motivate myself to do programming anymore

[jade stone]

what if IOS was built on java

[jade stone]

@young flicker

[woven mesa]

its kinda sad, ppl used to say my constant work would motivate them to work too

now i cant do anything anymor

i just doomscroll twitter or play games these days

very unproductive

[frosty obsidian]

for (i in 5 downTo 1) {
    println(i)
}

[spark tiger]

til huawei the phone company had their own programming language
https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-preps-to-rival-java-swift-with-it-open-source-programming-language/amp/

[spark tiger]

same bestie…

[spark tiger]

i gotta actually see if it works

/run ```c
#include <stdio.h>

int main() {
int x = 5;
while (x




--> 0)
printf("%d ", x);
}

[lavish frigate]

"rival java and swift" bro trying to rival 2 languages at the end of the spectrum at once

[rugged berry]

Here is your c(10.2.0) output @spark tiger

4 3 2 1 0 ```

[lavish frigate]

dead on arrival language

[spark tiger]

HOW IS THIS REAL

[lavish frigate]

@spark tiger ?

[spark tiger]

wha

[spark tiger]

i just use as a reaction for no reason it looks silly

[lavish frigate]

☹️

[spark tiger]

my bad 😔💔

[lavish frigate]

the language is like a weird mix

of fucking

swift

rust and python

even got the unsafe keyword in there

disgusting bro

add some parenthesis in there

also no semicolons

[spark tiger]

where’d ya find that cuz like i can’t find anything about that fucking language lmao

[frosty obsidian]

no semicolons is good

[lavish frigate]

https://www.harmony-developers.com/p/hello-world-i-am-cangjie-programming

[spark tiger]

ty

[lavish frigate]

https://cangjie-lang.cn/en/docs?url=%2F0.53.13%2Fuser_manual%2Fsource_en%2Ffirst_understanding%2Fhello_world.html

[spark tiger]

i’ll never remember that fucking name i stg

cangjie

i think it means something in chinese idk

[lavish frigate]

idgi is func optional

cuz they leave it out omsetimes

[lavish frigate]

of swift, rust, python and js **

[frosty obsidian]

i saw a bit of kotlin in there

[lavish frigate]

they mightve just taken a bit of every language

but yeah this language has 0 use

[spark tiger]

their site is literally unusable on mobile 😔

[lavish frigate]

they took options from rust https://cangjie-lang.cn/en/docs?url=%2F0.53.13%2Fwhite_paper%2Fsource_en%2Fcj-wp-nullsafety.html

and there is also no null

like rust

[spark tiger]

are they using mdbook for the docs

[frosty obsidian]

it has named parameters but you have to declare that a parameter can be named???

why???

[lavish frigate]

?

??

[frosty obsidian]

this is kotlin

they're just saying classes are final by default

[lavish frigate]

w-whats the point of of classes if there is no inheritance

like the one thing classes excel at is that you can just

inherit some class

define other behaviour

and use it like the original class

[native spruce]

this makes sense

[frosty obsidian]

you can inherit one that wants to be inherited

you just have to add the open keyword

[native spruce]

yus

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin does this exact same thing

[lavish frigate]

what if i want to inherit something and its in a library and the author forgot to add the open keyword

[native spruce]

fork it

[lavish frigate]

idgi what problem does not allowing inheritance by default solve

[frosty obsidian]

depending on the circumstance that would just be bad api design

ideally there would just be an interface or abstract class you can use

[spark tiger]

oh god it’s using that chinese github

[frosty obsidian]

no way

the Chinese company is using a chinese service?

why am i being mean

[native spruce]

in swift its a bit complicated (depending on the type of project, xcodeproj/swiftpm), you can inheret classes from your own scope without explicitly needing an open keyword (theyre open by default) but when it comes to using them outside of your defining module theyll need to be explicitly marked as open

[frosty obsidian]

in kotlin we have sealed classes for that

the module can inherit but outsiders can't

[spark tiger]

i mean just use github i’m pretty sure it’s not banned there

[native spruce]

nachoStickyHakoHD

[spark tiger]

in c# sealed means nobody can inherit it even from the same namespace

[frosty obsidian]

i think they're borrowing a lot from kotlin regarding classes and inheritance

[lavish frigate]

crazy

now the chinese dont even have to put in any effort into obfuscating their spyware

[frosty obsidian]

this is likely only gonna be used on Huawei phones

Harmony OS specifically

since they ditched android

[spark tiger]

wouldn’t be like really easy to decipher considering this all language is open-source?

[lavish frigate]

borrowing from:
kotlin for classes and inheritance
python and swift for language semantics
rust for safety

[lavish frigate]

no

[frosty obsidian]

its definitely a mashup of popular programming languages

[lavish frigate]

even has the build.cj

CJ

https://tenor.com/view/alejandro9ix-gif-13711685647150536594

[native spruce]

@lavish frigate

[lavish frigate]

ASJNF ASDOJNIKGFASDNJOKFJOAKNSD NO WAY

[lavish frigate]

no you dont understand i have a different character per server

[lavish frigate]

THEY HAVE RUST MACROS

https://cangjie-lang.cn/en/docs?url=%2F0.53.13%2Fwhite_paper%2Fsource_en%2Fcj-wp-macro.html

at least they are mostly copying the good parts of the languages

[jade stone]

python2