🪅-progaming

[elder yarrow]

The Vencord Chrome Extension is up to date! (v1.12.4)

[lavish cloud]

Using Compose for things it was never supposed to be used for

[shrewd canopy]

minepose soon?

[ornate quiver]

HOW

[lavish cloud]

Way too much effort lol

Currently only text but I'll look into implementing modifiers and layouts later, maybe even animations

[shrewd canopy]

https://youtu.be/RnLWLQsh9mw this might be relevant

[lavish cloud]

I did that before that guy
(Though I didn't implement model loading, only hardcoded models)

[supple whale]

real OG's remember this being done with armor stands in 2014

where you'd make an invis nograv armorstand with an always visible name and color that with shit like squares

and servers would make massive floating pixel art like that for banners for shit

[lavish cloud]

That shit was obnoxious as hell lmao

[ivory heath]

a word is a byte.

dword is double byte

qword is quad word, or 32 bits

unless "for some god forsaken reason" the isa you use does not have 8bit words, theyre all just byte

FUCK

no a word is 2 bytes

idk WHY i thought it was 8 bits

so just double all my math

this is unreadable as hell

type script with a borrow checker?

In pratice its fine.

whatever is linking to your translation unit itself must know the size of the class to allocate in memory

this is the only way shared libs can even work

[ivory heath]

If you want to hide private state you do what i did in this class where the class simply holds a pointer to a struct that you hint in the header but only implement within your source file

This also simplifies the class header itself a lot

its kinda over kill in this case because all it hides is the pointer but oh well

[ivory heath]

rust does not give a shit about this because everything is static in rust land unles you use the unstable ABI for rust or make..... c headers

C/C++ are the way they are because they have to be

theyre systems languages

idk how to explain it except just read it https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/modules.html

[ivory heath]

this also allows the lib to update private state of the class. EX add new members or rename them without the end user having to worry about it

[ornate quiver]

idk ive never used websys and it's pretty self explanatory
except for Closure i dont get that

[ivory heath]

I can make sense of it but the recursive brackets makes it hard to tell what level of recursion were on

[strange matrix]

yeah for a second i was like
QWORD is 64 bit on windows

[crude star]

it can be 4

[fleet cedar]

A word is a poorly defined concept which has different meaning in different contexts

[crude star]

32bit cpu word is 32bit and 64bit cpu word is 64bit

[lavish frigate]

It is readable it just sucks to use

[lavish frigate]

Sure imo it’s still ugly though

[hoary sluice]

A word as defined as exactly 1 word.

[crude star]

🥹

this will generate 20 javascript bindings

you're literally writing more js like that

[lavish frigate]

We will bind you to a tree and let you rot in the rain

[crude star]

bro

thats what you get for writing rust like javascript

websys is malware

4kb of compiled js vs this ```js
let element = document.getElementById("coolElem");
if (!element) throw Error("Could not find element");

element.onclick = e => e.preventDefault();

at least its memory safe tho ig snackstare

[lavish frigate]

so true like any sane person i also write the 10 lines that could be js in rust and dont only use it for larger projects where the overhead is relatively tiny

[crude star]

cope

i have seen this in the wild

[lavish frigate]

right

[crude star]

and like so many fucking rust web frameworks

that all use websys like this

[lavish frigate]

you do know that it all gets bundled together and that overhead is per project and not per file... right..? like if i use web_sys in dioxus and have 20 components it doesnt include that overhead 20 times and while i could then port my app to desktop with electron and mobile with react native or whatever i could also have the exact same code and just do dx build --platform android
besides performance critical components (which do not need the DOM) this is the benefit of writing it in rust

[crude star]

the overhead is per js function

also per call because you're switching contexts so often

there is exactly zero advantage to using rust web frameworks

they're slower than js

[severe python]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-crunchycat-judgy-gif-10816385895034373873

[crude star]

my pnpm store is 12gb

horror

[severe python]

[shrewd canopy]

I think the advantage of Rust web frameworks is better DX

[winged mantle]

triyng to build chip 8 emu and i think the timings are wrong

it seems hard to time both 700 clock cycles per second and 60 screen refreshes a second

i was just imagining a timeline where with marks for both things and the program sleeps until the soonest mark

i should just do ticker

(because, of course, it's in go)

i politely ask go programemers to stop

[spark tiger]

im building one too, what language is urs in

im tryna make it without any guides just like following the reference, docs, wikipedia n all dat stuff

tho im so clueless 😭

[winged mantle]

go

[winged mantle]

there's a good guide that doesn't spoonfeed...

i'm finding it pretty easy

well... maybe i shouldn't say that yet

still need sound

and input

but i was surprised how i managed to actually get the ibm logo to work

[winged mantle]

horror

[native spruce]

@woven mesa

[woven mesa]

LOVE

[spark tiger]

whats in opcodes.go

[woven mesa]

so good

[spark tiger]

i mean obv opcodes but like

how did u like make it

[native spruce]

@woven mesa I finished the clipboard storage and monitor yesterday

[native spruce]

its just about ui now really

[winged mantle]

names are bad

[spark tiger]

oh thats kinda smart ngl

though how do u get such pattern from two bytes

i mean

like how does it look in code

[native spruce]

@woven mesa I gotta port over some of your code for previews so we can have an easier time writing them

after porting I'm maybe gonna put it on github (private)

im more happy with this rn since its super tidy

[winged mantle]

convert the two bytes to padded hex
(so 224 would become 00E0)
then compare chars between the hex string and pattern for each opcode, treating - as always equal to the input
00E0 would match directly to the 00E0 pattern, and 8AA4 would match to 8--4 (8 == 8, skip A, skip A, 4 == 4)
if you added ---- to the bottom it would act like the default case in a switch, if you added it to the top it would catch everything so it's pretty flexible but i don't think that's really needed lol

it's a linear search but i don't think that really matters

[spark tiger]

i see, thank you!

[winged mantle]

your're welcome

[spark tiger]

i might try to rewrite mine after i saw that if you don't mind me using your solution (and if i manage to adapt it to zig)

[winged mantle]

no its copyright! /s

[spark tiger]

thankkk

[winged mantle]

currently i'm still facing timing issues

everything runs slooow

[spark tiger]

would be so much easier to implement that if zig had inheritance

or like ifaces or something

[winged mantle]

i don't even have any interfaces in my code

[spark tiger]

yeah but idk if u can do that in zig

[winged mantle]

pretty sure this approach would work just fine in c

[spark tiger]

well i think i might have seen something like that

[winged mantle]

would be surprised if zig was more limiting than c

[spark tiger]

but that probably look like c func or something

though i'm kinda afraid that it would be much slower if, say, i chose to use just switch (bytes)

[winged mantle]

/run

// i'm just including everything just in case
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdint.h>
#include <stddef.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdbool.h>

typedef struct {
    char *pattern;
    void (*interpret)();
} Opcode;

void starts_with_ab() {
    printf("Opcode starts with AB");
}

void starts_with_01() {
    printf("Opcode starts with 01");
}

Opcode opcodes[] = {
    {"AB--", starts_with_ab},
    {"01--", starts_with_01}
};

Opcode match_opcode(uint16_t insn) {
    char hex[5];
    sprintf(hex, "%04X", insn);

    for (size_t i = 0; i < sizeof(opcodes) / sizeof(*opcodes); ++i) {
      Opcode opcode = opcodes[i];

      bool match = true;
      char *hexTmp = hex;

      
    printf("cmp: %s / %s\n", hexTmp, opcode.pattern);

      while (*hexTmp != '\0') {
          if (*hexTmp != '-' && *opcode.pattern != *hexTmp) {
              match = false;
              break;
          }
          ++opcode.pattern;
          ++hexTmp;
      }
      
      if (match)
          return opcode;
    }

    return (Opcode) { NULL, NULL };
}

int main() {
    uint16_t insn = 0xAB00;
    Opcode opcode = match_opcode(insn);

    if (opcode.interpret == NULL) {
        fputs("agh!", stderr);
        return EXIT_FAILURE;
    }

    opcode.interpret();
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your c(10.2.0) output @winged mantle

agh!cmp: AB00 / AB--
cmp: AB00 / 01--

[winged mantle]

aerkhjer

i would find this easier in c++

but it's definitely possible and zig is way more modern

[spark tiger]

yep im gonna give it a try ty

[winged mantle]

i spent so long trying to fix this pointless c code

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa save view btw

[woven mesa]

so cool

love

[frosty obsidian]

you can stop making the app now, its finished

[supple whale]

its incredible how incompetent some developers are

fucking made it x3 smaller and x100 more readable

[royal nymph]

declaring variables like this is just horror

[supple whale]

that entire thing is pure horror

fucking

"return false"

at the VERY end of the code

💀

[royal nymph]

also wtf zero newlines

im gonna kill myself

[supple whale]

it was trully horrid

[crude star]

i thought this was go

[supple whale]

JS

[winged mantle]

my chip 8 interpreter now seeems to work pretty well

[lavish frigate]

dioxus found in the wild #👾-core-development message

honestly kinda crazy

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/TheKodeToad/fish8 rate

i feel like it's a bit messy

but i also feel like i made some smart choices

[ornate quiver]

i had a prof that did this
he was using C formatting in C#
it was fucking atrocious

[winged mantle]

you don't even need to do that in modern c

[ornate quiver]

lol yeah

[supple whale]

it gets worse

there was a

while (!this.someState) {
 // wait for state to change
}

in there

mf just full blocked the main thread permanently

[shrewd canopy]

Bro never heard of "events"

[supple whale]

i mean

admittedly i hate the situation with events in js as of now

nodejs events are amazing, but dont exist outside of node/deno

w3c events suck dick, but support abort controllers unlike nodejs events

nodejs has

const res = await once(emitter, 'statechange')

which is UTTER PEAK

but for some reason u cant do

emitter.on('statechange', update, { signal: ctrl.signal })

like

.

then nodejs events dont suport event maps

[shrewd canopy]

Events in hikari-py is best event system ive saw in python lol

Its typesafe and provides support for custom events

[supple whale]

i legit need to override types for nodejs events

and worst part is i cant even use all the methods, because no polyfill for nodejs events implements everything

it got to the point where i just considered copying nodejs's code for it and adding types from deno and publishing it as a package

which seemed fairly simple

[winged mantle]

how is this meant to work

[supple whale]

thats the funny thing!

it doesnt

because its not C

[winged mantle]

procrastinated something so long sdl 3 is out

[winged mantle]

help i tried to see how much intel asm i remembered and i couldn't remember hello world

[lavish cloud]

I may have gone a little overboard with how much of compose I've implemented

[frosty obsidian]

insane

very cool to see how people play with just the runtime

[ivory heath]

okay so maybe the return false at the end can be excused because in school or some fucking reason they teach to only have one return statment at the end.
however why didnt they even do

if (['tcpIncoming', 'tcpOutGoing'].includes(this.type)) {
    // Impl here
} else {
    return false;
} 

or actually why is there a return false here at all?
WHO MADE THIS

isnt JS suppsoed to be easy? why is it then a pain to look at

[ornate quiver]

holy shit wow

fucking wild

https://blog.kowalczyk.info/article/d-2025-06-26/go-is-8020-language.html

go isn't 80/20 is more like 50/20
another garbage article defending golang

The entire philosophy behind Go is “developers are dumb so they can’t have nice things, but we’ll make them think it’s a nice thing by having fast compile times”. The amount of time it took to add generics is just inexcusable, I remember when Andrew Garrand came to my uni when Go first came out and being asked about it. But, they already had generics, but you’re too dumb to be allowed to use them.

Also, every fucking second line being error handling is absolute insanity. It’s a testament to just how poor the ability to build abstractions are (give me a monad for f’s sake).

There’s no language that makes me more angry than Go, there are other languages which have their own quirks, but they often have the benefit of “we don’t know better”. Go’s developers did know better, and decided “we do know better” - the arrogance and assumption that all developers are dumb AF is just insulting. I would say that Go just feels like a Google product, but it actually feels like an Apple product, you have to use it their way because you’re too dumb - ironic given that Swift seems to actually be a pretty nice language.

Defer is nice though.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1lm3hlw/zeroiniteverything/n086kbm/

[lavish frigate]

?

Practically unlimited budget sure but that doesn’t mean they have to waste budget on stuff the company doesn’t need, especially cross platform support

This feels like it was written by someone who thinks all languages except go suck

They might actually think that

[ivory heath]

people who complain about go, or praise it are insane

its just a tool to be used, it does it how it likes to

you can argue if its a pro or con

[lavish frigate]

I don’t mind go I just see no good use for it so I won’t ever see myself care for it

[royal nymph]

lol no

he's right

go is piss easy / simple and that's why it's good

lmfao

crystal moment

crystal is impossible to make a good LSP for

[ivory heath]

packaging sucked in go v1

golang is a lot better than it was.

[lavish frigate]

Not sure why you are pointing out that swift part here, compiler speed is mostly irrelevant, especially with incremental compilation, crashy? As in if I search for either both have their issues and crashes? and for the cross platform one… you are talking about swift… cross platform is absolutely not a priority and Apple mostly doesn’t care about cross platform…

[ivory heath]

swift will try and smartly resolve some characteristics at compile time and if it fails to do it within a reasonable time, will fail to compile

why swift does not have deterministic behavior built into the language ie beyond me

[solemn ravine]

The compiler imo is fast enough but the failing because its unable to typecheck at a reasonable time error is super annoying. Though, it would take llvm like 20 minutes to even try to even optimize that code because of its unneedlessly complexity so maybe it isn't too bad after all.

[royal nymph]

I never really used swift but that does sound like bad design

[solemn ravine]

It is yeah

[royal nymph]

if it can't type check in a reasonable time it means your type system is too complex / overengineered

[solemn ravine]

can't say I disagree with that

[royal nymph]

crystal has this same problem

its type system is duck typed (you can write code without any types and the compiler recursively analyses your code to figure out all types)

as you can imagine that process is super slow and that's why there will probably never be a good LSP

[ivory heath]

no langauge should fail because "code too complicated lol"

generics can easily do that with recursion

part of why go dodged it for so long

[solemn ravine]

Uh no, it fails because it can't find the mistake in the code

[royal nymph]

how 😭

[solemn ravine]

If you fix it even if its unneedlessly complex it would compile it

[ivory heath]

thats not what you just said

but the failing because its unable to typecheck at a reasonable time error is super annoying.

[solemn ravine]

but if its too complex and theres an error, it would just end up erroring with some "unable to typecheck at a reasonable time"

[ivory heath]

so it fails without telling you anything

amazing

[solemn ravine]

ye

[royal nymph]

what even is the point

who would prefer it failing over it just taking longer

[solemn ravine]

I dunno really, it's super annoying especially when your project is large (for example feather) where this is prone to happen everywhere

[royal nymph]

that sounds terrible

how do people develop like that

does that mean your ci could just randomly fail??

[solemn ravine]

nah

just make sure it compiles

[royal nymph]

can't believe Apple managed to add gambling to their compiler

they should make a betting site where you can bet if your code will compile fine or error with that

[ivory heath]

the devs played too much blue archive

[solemn ravine]

only gamblies when u write stupid code dw..

[royal nymph]

are u saying feather is stupid code galore

[solemn ravine]

nope

because it compiles

surprised it doesnt even break though because of the amount of bullshit in it

@royal nymph one of the github actions for a project I maintain has a race condition and its for compiling c code

now thats insane..

[royal nymph]

😭

[solemn ravine]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GhOVmNWXEAAdkQR.gif

[royal nymph]

I love race conditions

[solemn ravine]

like

its so awful

[ivory heath]

sounds like someone simply forgot to check if a object exists before another file requires it which is easy to fix with cmake

[solemn ravine]

because I have to rerun the action and wait another 10 minutes

[royal nymph]

this is why I love typescript and go

they compile instantly

[royal nymph]

this is an insane take, compiler speed matters so much

slow compile time makes me not want to use a language

especially if even building debug build is slow

[solemn ravine]

the action is 906 lines long

wanna fix it

[ivory heath]

sure

[royal nymph]

at that point why is it even an action

torture

[ivory heath]

what c lib is it?

[solemn ravine]

https://github.com/palera1n/palera1n/blob/main/.github/workflows/build.yml

[royal nymph]

I would make it a script at that point

I hate having to write actions so much

[ivory heath]

WHY IS IT A YAML FILE

JUST USE CMAKE LIKE A NORAML FUCKING C DEV

HOLY SHIT

im not fucking fixing this

[royal nymph]

have you never seen github actions

[solemn ravine]

[ivory heath]

nop, never used them

oh

wait

[royal nymph]

damn you're lucky

I'm jealous

[solemn ravine]

I hate actions too

[royal nymph]

vencord installer ci is only a few hundred lines and I already wanted to end myself while writing it

the fact that it's essentially just trial and error because you can't really test it locally 😭

[solemn ravine]

I can usually just a ci unless its for a platform I don't use

[wheat kernel]

i hate this so much

[royal nymph]

I remember when I was writing some ci that specifically triggered on prs

so to test my changes I had to push to the main branch, then create a new pr and see if it works

almost drove me crazy

[solemn ravine]

hahahaha

honestly I hate that I can't properly test actions with different branches

unless I have a manual trigger for the action (present in main branch)

like whyyy

[royal nymph]

naturally I can't push testing junk to the main branch so I had to make a dummy repository for it

[nimble bone]

you actually can just keep a clean commit history and force push it when ur done

[solemn ravine]

rosie so real for that tho I do that

I squash everything.

[royal nymph]

force pushing to main branch is insane

[nimble bone]

I always do that girll

[solemn ravine]

I do that everyday

[royal nymph]

yeah but no one uses your software so it doesn't matter 😭

[solemn ravine]

okay bitch

[royal nymph]

I meant nino it's your own fault you typed

[royal nymph]

imagine if I ever force pushed vencord main branch

[nimble bone]

what would even happen

[royal nymph]

probably break updater

Also many people would kill me

[nimble bone]

reported

[royal nymph]

anyone who's building from source

[nimble bone]

it’s an unsupported installation method

[royal nymph]

I mean yeah but doesn't mean you have to break their setup by force pushing

[solemn ravine]

vencord is one of those projects where everything relies on a single git repo existing

[nimble bone]

every time shit goes wrong in my git history or whatever i delete the local repo delete the fork and remake everything from scratch

(vencord)

[royal nymph]

how else would it work

[nimble bone]

updater api

[solemn ravine]

not sure but im not judging it

[royal nymph]

what's the point

same thing

[solemn ravine]

if vencord relies on a git repo then thats okay

as long as it doesnt break

[royal nymph]

vencord still works without the repo it's just that you can't update

[solemn ravine]

ye

[royal nymph]

exactly the same is true for external update servers and github is definitely more reliable than something I would host xD

I mean vencloud has been more reliable than github technically but still

[nimble bone]

https://github.com/VendroidEnhanced/web/blob/main/src/index.ts fork and make for

[solemn ravine]

@royal nymph make vencord installer override discord update url

vencord updater 2

[nimble bone]

sheltupdate

[solemn ravine]

inb4 vencord vps goes down

guys why cant my discord run

[royal nymph]

I think discord is a worse example of depending on some service

[nimble bone]

actually it can do @solemn ravine

[royal nymph]

if discord fails to update you literally can't use it

if vencord fails to update you can still use it just fine

[solemn ravine]

vencupdate soon

[nimble bone]

discontinue discord desktop patching and exclusively support vesktop

& web ofc

[ornate quiver]

go is simple
go is not easy
two very different things

it's simplicity does not make it "good"

[royal nymph]

it is very easy lol

it is objectively easier than rust, C or C++

[solemn ravine]

you know what else is objective

[royal nymph]

nuh uh...

[royal nymph]

much much easier even

anyone fluent in another language can learn Go in a week

[solemn ravine]

finished writing the functionality for copying the data back to ur clipboard

[royal nymph]

I hate the sorted syntax

[solemn ravine]

seems okay

to me at least

[royal nymph]

itemsSet.sortBy { $0.item }

[solemn ravine]

is that uhm

what is it

ts pmo

[royal nymph]

no 😭

js sort is even worse

js sort makes you return 1, 0 or -1 and I can never remember which order it goes

[solemn ravine]

i cant tell what that is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1387795090197577799/caption.gif

[royal nymph]

whaaaa

[royal nymph]

you were asking if it's ts, no?

[solemn ravine]

yeah but what language is it

that could be anything

[royal nymph]

none

[solemn ravine]

girl made up a language as an example

im crying

[royal nymph]

I showed how it should look in swift with ur example

[solemn ravine]

u didnt tell mee!!

[royal nymph]

many languages have sortBy

[solemn ravine]

ye but I just couldnt recognize what your example was xD

[ivory heath]

GO is easy and does not have the overhead that systems languages or.... "opinionated" languages have.

there are no fancy complex types you have to know

does it make some things more verbose to do? yes

its not the fucking nightmare that is js, rust, c++, java, kotlin

If you try and make a shared lib with go tho so help me god he strikes you down from the sky

[royal nymph]

lmao

it wasn't really made for that

how does that even work with gc

you wouldn't want your shared lib to come with its own gc

[ivory heath]

It wasn’t

[ivory heath]

Multiple c/c++ libs have internal memory management but usually relies on call backs or destroyer functions in some capacity

I would be genuine impressed if someone made a shared lib with go

[lavish cloud]

I'd use it for more but Modifier is a nightmare

[valid jetty]

it’s not -1, 0, or 1, it’s negative, 0, or positive

(a, b) => a - b will give you a negative result

the thing calling your function will do if (res < 0) so you can think of a - b as less than because of < 0

that’s how i remember it, essentially you can replace the - with < in your head

that’s not just js, any sorting function will want to return a positive, negative, or 0 result to indicate whether it’s less than, greater than, or equal

this is done the same way in just about every language i can think of except rust which has its Ordering trait

if it was an equation,

comparator(a, b) < 0
res < 0
a - b < 0

bring the b to the other side

a < b

but the reason why js sorts negative numbers weirdly

is because it converts the numbers to strings and compares them lexicographically

which is kinda bad but if you never pass a comparator fn you can’t expect too much

[fleet cedar]

Haskell has an Ordering type too

Common property among languages with proper type systems

[valid jetty]

ok fair enough yeah

[placid cape]

Wtf

Just why

[lucid trail]

js arrays are not typed

[valid jetty]

it can’t assert that every value in it is a specific type yeah

so it just converts them to a string to get a common representation

[lavish frigate]

okay smart people, what would be the easiest way to just proxy video streams in js?
i have to proxy cdn links for an embed site (like fixvx or whatever) since the original site blocks all discord requests (which leads to the client spamming requests and banning itself from discordapp.com )

just passing along the response seems to cause issues, causing either a complete fail to load or weirdness with video seeking

[frosty obsidian]

we have Comparable in kotlin/java

[fleet cedar]

Yep, which returns int

In both rust and haskell, the Ord trait returns Ordering

[winged mantle]

https://editor.graphite.rs/ why is this also slower in chrome

why is everything using rust slower in chrome

google wants you to write in go

[lavish frigate]

i mean its true, google doesnt care as much about wasm as mozilla

[crude star]

haskell lets you implement >= instead of cmp

[tired vigil]

that's also just integers

[fleet cedar]

No, that's an enum

[tired vigil]

🙄

[crude star]

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-prim-0.13.0/docs/src/GHC.Classes.html#compare

<= but still

[shrewd canopy]

Python used to have __cmp__ dunder method before 3.x but it was removed in 3.x

[lavish frigate]

nothing compares to the starship operator in php

https://www.php.net/manual/en/migration70.new-features.php#migration70.new-features.spaceship-op

[crude star]

we're literally talking about the same thing

[lavish frigate]

No

[crude star]

and ermm it comes from C++

[lavish frigate]

Spaceship is a much cooler name which instantly signals to you that this id the worst feature ever

[crude star]

wait it might've been perl

of course perl

@young flicker

[nimble bone]

@pearl dawn protobuf

[pearl dawn]

love

[winged mantle]

this is more than just an empty c++ project... this is the canvas for my vision

[valid jetty]

i can even "see out" my vision

get it

[frosty obsidian]

clion

[nimble bone]

@valid jetty

[winged mantle]

every time i rename a file in clion it crashes my whole desktop session

the good news is the file does manage to be renamed after a re start

[ivory heath]

man i love using C in go, its so fucking easy

[royal nymph]

[ivory heath]

the only issue really is that you have to force the end user to do manual "free"

ex: im writing a wrapper for the ffms lib which itself is a wrapper around the ffmpeg library.
You can get a track which is a member of the index of a container file (ex: mkv).
However said index is owned by the index struct and as soon as the user frees it, well then the track is undefined behavior

if the index itself leaves scope without the user freeing it, then it is leaked memory.

you can use the go runtime finalizer to add it as a function that runs when it leaves sope, but that is up to the GC and not the end user

[native spruce]

@woven mesa I forgot how goated we were

rtf is kinda laggy though honestly

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

im vibe coding a gedcom viewer

i havent written a single line yet

or paid a cent

when is the project gonna implode

im waiting

[winged mantle]

using c++ is making me miss go

[supple whale]

using c++ is making me miss being homeless

[ivory heath]

I love c/c++ but I don’t need it half the time

[slate reef]

cpp is basically only for competitive programming i think

[ionic lake]

News flash: you're wrong

[ivory heath]

What?

C++ is a lot safer than c and gives a lot of modern language features

[slate reef]

not exactly a news flash

im wrong most of the time

[ionic lake]

thats ok

you have time to correct yourself and thats a good thing

[winged mantle]

method pointers

ignore the fact that it has multiple names i decided louis is a nicer name

[winged mantle]

c feels less messy but also less practical

idk c++ is overhated it can be fun

[lavish frigate]

fym overhated

valid criticism is far from hate, its still one of the like most used languages and a very widely liked language 😭

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#2-programming-scripting-and-markup-languages

[ivory heath]

why the hell are you doing this

[ivory heath]

C you can about guess the exactly what the compiler will compile, but at the cost of basically all feature

[winged mantle]

funny

[winged mantle]

it's inherently subjective

[winged mantle]

https://medium.com/@optimzationking2/our-cto-bet-on-rust-i-secretly-rewrote-everything-in-go-and-won-2e8ca1418f8d rage bait

[royal nymph]

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love https://archive.is/ZCTOW

TRUE

[lavish frigate]

kys

[royal nymph]

...

[lavish frigate]

reading more of this guys other articles

[royal nymph]

😭
"beat c performance with Go by using... checks notes... assembly"

[lavish frigate]

how did go crash cuz of db and rust didnt

100% of this guys articles are "GO ABSOLUTELY FUCKING SUCKS AND IT EXPLODES YOUR ENTIRE INFRA but the code was made in 1 hour instead of 2 months in rust and thats why its better"

[royal nymph]

that's the point

yes Rust is better in raw performance but Go is pretty close (more than good enough) and way easier and faster to write

[lavish frigate]

idk bro in one article he goes "The code… let’s just say, junior devs cried", "Build time tripled" and "Logging was a pain
" for rust then posted the source code and they are 50 line scripts where he completely left out said "logging" and comments (which are present in the go code) from the rust code like i think this guy might just be playing into what people are already saying without actual first hand knowledge
https://archive.ph/32zKo

especially funny with the logging when axum already comes with tracing layer support... i guess error!("DB error: {err:?}") (equivalent of his go logging log.Println("DB error:", err)) is too difficult...?

like sure what he says can be true but this very much seems like written by someone who is farming for clicks with rust instead of someone who actually uses rust (even if it would just be for these tests)

[spark tiger]

😭😭😭 this fucking guy on youtube shorts is talking about how vscode is good because it’s very lightweight and literally shows a footage where it’s using 1gb of ram 😭

[royal nymph]

that's not much

[spark tiger]

right but definitely not as little as he makes it seem

zed is much better performance-wise

[lavish frigate]

hard to recommend something on any social media platform when there are no official downloads

unless you as the creator want "where is windows download!?!??!?!?!" spammed in your comments

[spark tiger]

that CREATOR had a video “why every developer uses linux”

he definitely uses linux doesn’t he

[lavish frigate]

they are on windows in the screenshot you sent

[spark tiger]

exactly

that’s what i’m saying

[ivory heath]

this is compared to a jetbrains IDE or Visual Studio

[ivory heath]

this is possibly, misleading as hell

[ivory heath]

Its not "click bait" the way they explained it

altho who hand writes asm

better off just linking to a C lib that go supports

there are some... quirks

like _test.go cannot import "C" and c stubs are generated per file to avoid name space colision so its not safe to share raw c types between packages

you have to share a unsafe.pointer and then type cast it

i wish unsafe made more sense. i have a wrapper around it just so i dont lose my fucking mind

package unsafer

import "unsafe"

func CArrayToSlice[T any](ptr unsafe.Pointer, count int) []T {
    if ptr == nil || count <= 0 {
        return nil
    }
    return unsafe.Slice((*T)(ptr), count)
}

[lavish frigate]

whelp you cant know

and this is an official google presentation

[ivory heath]

google lies out their fucking ass to push whatever agenda they want

at google, to move up you have to make a product or a study even if

1. its bullshit
2. will die off in 2-5 years

this is why the google graveyard is massive

[spark tiger]

well not really they were comparing it to any other code editor or an ide

the video is literally why vscode is the best code editor

[ivory heath]

jetbrains and VS will easily eat 5-7GB on a large project

most of the features you need from either VScode has

theyre a normie

they dont think youre gonna be editing source files in the terminal with neovim

[spark tiger]

yeah idk just kinda annoys me how they probably never even heard of anything other than vim vscode vs & jetbrains

[lavish frigate]

they have, they just know their audience and you dont

[spark tiger]

one day zed will become mainstream

[ivory heath]

#🪅-progaming message or theyre targeting normies

[lavish frigate]

remembering the time i had to request more ram from my manager because phpstorm kept OOM'ing on some projects

[lavish frigate]

yep thats their audience

[ivory heath]

the solution is simple, just dont use php

[spark tiger]

just kinda annoys me how they all force that publicly accepted opinions like “all developers hate windows”, “all developers like linux”, “all developers love macbooks”, “all developers prefer laptops over pcs”

[lavish frigate]

i think almost everyone who watches programming youtube shorts is a "normie"

[spark tiger]

it was the first short i saw opening the app

[lavish frigate]

solution is very shrimple

so basically

you take your phone

right

and you just

quit youtube shorts

works every time

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[ivory heath]

excluding mac os which is its own... thing

“all developers hate windows”, “all developers like linux”
I am willing to make arguments that windows is a fucking nightmare to develop for and for some reasons does not have agnostic binary performance

[spark tiger]

it works most of the time but yt shorts is fucking insane it makes me scroll it even though i understand that literally all the shorts i get no matter what my algorithm is is like funny moments from simpsons or family guy, dumb tech videos or… yeah that’s it

[spark tiger]

was meant as a reply to this ^

[spark tiger]

idk i don’t think it’s that much bad that as they all make it seem. also he still uses windows in his every video despite saying that ALL REAL DEVELOPERS USE LINUX

[ivory heath]

Like lets compile something for linux and windows.

linux)
Compile with clang... and youre done

windows)
for some reason depending on the project MSVC is much faster or slower than clang, neither reaching the speed linux does
Also for some reason fat lto is faster than thin lto. Why? Who knows, because thin is always better on linux.
Oh you wanna build something for windows without msys? use this fucked up ass script that builds everything one by one and manually sets up the linker and compiler includes and just fucking hope it works

and i could go ON and ON

because ive had entire fucking arguments with people about which is the better compiler arg just to learn they use windows where everything is cursed as shit

glibc malloc has its own issues and bugs that are effectively never gonna get fixed but no developer is gonna encounter

windows... now windows

depending on the compiler malloc is just fucked for certian projects like libsvt

so i know people that go through the pain that is aliasing minmalloc to malloc to get it working at all or acceptable performance

[spark tiger]

solution is just use rust
though idk maybe it also somehow relies on msys like the compiler or whatever

[ivory heath]

msys is an enviroment to compile c/c++ on windows

rust cargo handles all of that

[spark tiger]

okay good

[ivory heath]

except when one of your crates relies on c code and then msys becomes a requirement again or face linker hell

[spark tiger]

this is kinda like that pic where everything stands and relies on one small brick

[ivory heath]

which is c but windows hasnt moved in a direction at all to fix the hell that was created

everything is statically compiled on windows because of the hell that is this or uses its own folder with its own versions/dependencies

[spark tiger]

wait i’m a bit confused why do we need msys if there is already msvc

most likely i’m misunderstanding something but well i haven’t really had much experience compiling any c/c++

[ivory heath]

MSVC C/C++ is a compiler and nothing more. it does not manage where for example libav.h is if your project links to compiled ffmpeg libs.
MSYS is a enviroment that has everything in standardized locations and structure with multiple compilers to make it easier

on linux, if i wanna use for example zimg i just tell clang++ -lzimg and im done because the zimg.h header is stored globally on my system at /usr/include

if youre weird and on ubuntu its probably in /usr/local/include
i can then just tell the linker to use -L/usr/lib -lzimg becase the shared object is located within /usr/lib

windows does not have this standard.

[ivory heath]

i wish people cared about real issues like what i just ranted about and this

not EWWWWWWWW you do switch statments like THAT?

[spark tiger]

why are there so many languages it pisses me off 💔

[ivory heath]

cause god hates you

[spark tiger]

no like fr how do i even choose with that many languages nowadays

i want to learn something new but i just can’t choose what

either rust or c or go or zig

[ivory heath]

What do you want to make

I wouldn’t use c to make a web server for example

I wouldn’t use JS to make a high performance json parser

[spark tiger]

uhh idrk but i guess something like emulators or binary parsers or stuff like that

dunno how to explain it with out one phrase

[ivory heath]

C family or rust would would give you fine easy low level control

You can do the same in go but its more of a pain in the ass.

Rust is opinionated and i personally don’t like it. I’d recommend trying it and c++ both

Zig is a more “modern” c you could say

[spark tiger]

my opinion to c++ is kinda biased but i just don’t really like it. like i guess you can call it a preference but i just don’t really find it that fun to write. the only c++ code i’ve seen made me wanna cry

[ivory heath]

I don’t think you will like rust then

[ornate quiver]

i despise c++ but I love rust

[spark tiger]

iunno i do. even though it has more syntax sugar it’s definitely much more readable and just better and more fun to write

[wheat kernel]

fuck ass guild icon

[wheat kernel]

i've made a single rust commit

it scared me

[jade stone]

GUHHHH QT INSANE

how does ts work

[frosty obsidian]

no idea how qt works but my guess is you need a parent of some sort

[austere idol]

i dont know any of qt but try to pass a into pushbuttons as parent or something like that

[valid jetty]

zig is a pain in the ass to read and write

more so than rust

[runic sundial]

???????

[valid jetty]

1 billion casts

interfaces are painful to read

generics are comptime functions and not part of the type system hence generic inference isn’t a thing

there’s more that i can’t think of right now

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty you know those gambling sites where you can bet on world events

like who will be elected

if taylon swift will get married this year

we need that but for which year i will push my next commit on github

[valid jetty]

can i bet on your downfall

[hoary sluice]

what do you define as downfall

[valid jetty]

idk lol

[hoary sluice]

i dont have far to fall

if i lost all my assets and job it would be a minor inconvenience because i dont own a lot

[valid jetty]

your assets include all the projects you’ve worked on in the past

[hoary sluice]

point still stands

[valid jetty]

lmao whatever

[hoary sluice]

ok my aoc would take a while to get back and i wouldnt redo it but it also isnt very valuable

[valid jetty]

i’m willing to bet a solid €0.39 on 2027

[hoary sluice]

deal

gonna commit in 30 minutes and claim my 39 cents of profit

[valid jetty]

wow smh..

[hoary sluice]

you can pay with google play gift cards or monero

do not redeem it

[valid jetty]

what is your nationality

asking for a friend

[hoary sluice]

i am american sir

from new york

my name is rebecca

[valid jetty]

ok! i see

sending gift cards now (by post)

you should receive within 17 working days

[hoary sluice]

thanks

[winged mantle]

doesn't google want to push go, not rust

[native spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997066995843473518/1389515765325238292/image.png?ex=6864e6e6&is=68639566&hm=293e6980035a7cbb1409093a4f5c16972030468b75b5e5fce703ed440c7f2581& @woven mesa

1.2k lines of code.

[woven mesa]

horror

[native spruce]

WDYM HORROR

that’s how many the entire project in total has

that’s like

[woven mesa]

horror

[native spruce]

nothing

Smhhhh

[woven mesa]

so much code

needs optimising

[native spruce]

ITS SO LITTLE

compared to feather at least

[woven mesa]

true

[woven mesa]

the icons look nice tho

[ivory heath]

Depends on who you ask at google

[austere idol]

what?

[royal nymph]

[supple whale]

yes!!!!

legit main use for revanced is completly nuking shorts from the app

welp now that piholes dont rly work for youtube i guess ad blocking too

[valid jetty]

google wants to push everything all at once lol

it’s organized chaos

[spark tiger]

hey i think using modded clients goes against yt tos

[nimble bone]

you go against TOS @spark tiger

[austere idol]

yt tos prohibits downloading videos so who cares

[spark tiger]

nop

[nimble bone]

I care

[spark tiger]

tsss i was just trying to find a reason why i wont use revanced

[shrewd canopy]

So cringe

[lavish cloud]

but what if you use innertube 👀

[austere idol]

as far as i know innertube is not a video downloader, it is an api wrapper

[lavish cloud]

oh i meant the innertube api itself, not the api wrapper

because for that one you don't need to mess with breaking DRM for a key, the URL already has the key if you pretend to be an android client

[austere idol]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[lavish cloud]

oh I have a solution for that one

pacman -Rns nodejs pnpm npm yarn

[austere idol]

based, but i am currently on void

[lavish cloud]

oh in that case uhh

fuck what was the command

xbps-remove or whatever

[austere idol]

xbps-remove -Ro nodejs pnpm npm yarn or whatever

[lavish cloud]

xbps-remove nodejs pnpm npm yarn

yeah that

solves all your issues

then start using a real language

[austere idol]

i want to build my variation of iosevka

i cant just "use a real language"

[lavish cloud]

https://typeof.net/Iosevka/customizer

[austere idol]

oh there is docker image

[lavish cloud]

surely that has a download button somewhere

[austere idol]

cursomizer only gives you a custom config which you can use to compile your own variation of the font

[lavish cloud]

smh

[austere idol]

and you have to because it will not compile it for you

i love this kind of guides

[supple whale]

i fucking swear typescript i'm about to loose my shit

[jade stone]

Insane

[jade stone]

yeah, that checks out, it explicitly wants an array buffer you have something that's like an array buffer but not guaranteed to be an array buffer

[lavish cloud]

nah just real

[jade stone]

What should vencord be written in then, if typescript and javascript aren't real languages?

[spark tiger]

coffeescript

[jade stone]

Isn't that just JavaScript anyway?

[lavish cloud]

wasm obv /s

for vencord its fine since it's a webapp, but for generating a font there's no excuse to use something more stable than JS

[spark tiger]

uhhh kinda i guess

[supple whale]

yeah except that doesnt exist

all underlying data for uint8 is always arraybuffer

[jade stone]

I don't think wasm works because of the asynchronous nature of it. Can you load, execute and send messages to Wasm synchronously?

[jade stone]

TS insane then

[supple whale]

yes you can

[jade stone]

Huh, I thought wasm had to be loaded asynchronously.

[lavish cloud]

yes

loaded asynchronously yes (I believe)

but then any other communication can be done sync

[crude star]

you can compile wasm synchronously even

[jade stone]

If you wanted to do vencord in wasm, I believe it would have to be loaded synchronously.

[supple whale]

nah

[crude star]

inline it

[jade stone]

Also, can you modify object prototypes from WebAssembly?

[crude star]

(husk)

no

[lavish cloud]

why would you ever need to

[supple whale]

those dont exist, you need to construct those objects when passing data

which is where a fuckload of overhead comes from

since you're essentially implementing your own v8::serialize and v8::deserialize in JS

[jade stone]

Patching object prototypes is how vencord grabs webpack

[crude star]

why would you ever rewrite that in wasm

[jade stone]

That's the point, you can't.

[shrewd canopy]

rust obviously 🦀

[jade stone]

Let me know when Rust can compile down to JavaScript.

[lavish frigate]

already possible

[austere idol]

rust -> compile to wasm -> decompile to js

[lavish frigate]

ya

https://github.com/thlorenz/wasm2js

wait is that the wrong one

[crude star]

9mb of javascript

[lavish frigate]

one of the a million "wasm2js"s can do it i forgot which one exactly

[crude star]

emscripten

[lavish frigate]

is that so different to the js frameworks adding 2000 gb of polyfills and whatever other shit

[jade stone]

neat

[crude star]

husk

it's 2025

ocaml can compile to javascript directly we should just use it

[shrewd canopy]

or use Go

gopherjs exists

[lavish frigate]

the only use ocaml has in current day is compiling the old rust compiler

[crude star]

sadly true

[supple whale]

you can simply compile asm/wasm to js via asm2js

[ivory heath]

How does one translate a call to the win32.h header/shared DLL to JS

[crude star]

easy just use a 0day in v8

[worldly sigil]

new web framework utilizing state of the art undisclosed 0days to create blazing fast reactjs

[dense sand]

Ffi or bun ffi

[nimble bone]

bun

[dense sand]

You know how much do i love bun

[nimble bone]

if i could ban you for that i would

[spark tiger]

if i could bun you

[ivory heath]

In a browser.

[spark tiger]

v

[dense sand]

You cant do that

[ivory heath]

Exactly

[lavish frigate]

i still dont get the bun hate

[dense sand]

It doesnt work when i try to use it with k8s js client

I had to switch to node

[lavish frigate]

i0 l5y d2t u1e k8s

[dense sand]

K8s is kubernetes

No one says the full word bruh

[lavish frigate]

i know, thats also why my message makes sense once you get to decode it in 5 years

[dense sand]

Im not spending thst much time

[lavish frigate]

whelp that sucks for us both i guess

[nimble bone]

lc.gem decode (as in; k8s is kumertentes and a11y is accessibility)

[visual shell]

decode (as in; k8s is kumertentes and a11y is acc…

That's an interesting challenge! It looks like you're asking to decode a series of numeronyms, where a number replaces the letters between the first and last letter of a word.

Let's break them down:

• i0: This one is a bit tricky as the "0" usually represents the number of omitted letters. With only one letter, "i", and a "0", it's likely a typo or a highly unconventional numeronym. It doesn't follow the standard pattern of having letters between the first and last replaced by a number.

• l5y: This decodes to lazy.

• d2t: This decodes to dot.

• u1e: This decodes to use.

• k8s: As you correctly identified, this decodes to Kubernetes.

---

Do you have any other numeronyms you'd like to decode, or perhaps some regular words you'd like to try converting into numeronyms?

Gemini • Gemini may display inaccurate info, so double-check its responses.

[lavish frigate]

so true

[ivory heath]

The more I look at bun vs node js the more I wanna kms

A fragmented as hell ecosystem within a language with questionable design decisions that already lacks basic features

[tired vigil]

Ur so stupid bot

[supple whale]

why?

deno legit implements nodejs code 1:1

they legit copy-pasted their code into deno

so if anything deno is a superset of nodejs

[ivory heath]

i never said anything about deno?

[supple whale]

fuck im retarded

sorry

im tired didnt read properly and assumed

brain mega fried, sry

[ivory heath]

average js dev

[supple whale]

yeah bun is doing giga questionable shit

[supple whale]

man, fuck you xD

i spent 14 hours yesterday implementing RC4 DH symmertic key based encryption

and then another 6 hours today

im so giga fried its unfunny

[ivory heath]

im gonna compute a shit ton of statistics for multiple video encoders to prove an assumption i had about quality speed optimizations

[supple whale]

unfortunately

264 is still the best codec out there for quality

265 is close behind

everything else is ass

and if u want size just do av1

[ivory heath]

everything about that was wrong but okay.

[supple whale]

legit every single encoder would agree with that

but ok

if you care about MAXIMUM quality, and nothing else 264 is still best

[ivory heath]

near lossless sure whatever x264.

for getting transparent or extremely high quality at a small file size x265 and svt-av1 are competitive.

[supple whale]

yeah, i can agree with that

at high qualities 265 and av1 are close to the same, and they'd likely trade blows

[ivory heath]

please speak in encoders not bitstream standard

[supple whale]

and if u want to just go size down while having mid to meh quality av1 will beat 265 by landslide

[ivory heath]

libaom cant hold shit to x265, but svt-av1 forks can compete with x265

[supple whale]

nah because encoders change day to day, and i'm speaking about max capabilities of the codec, rather than a specific encoding impl

[ivory heath]

if were talking about theory av1 beats HEVC by a land slide

[supple whale]

yup!

[ivory heath]

but libaom cant

[supple whale]

intels hardware av1 encoder is actually insanely good

[ivory heath]

vp9 theoretically is better than HEVC, but libvpx is dogshit compared to x265 so

[ivory heath]

its still horrible compared to faster svt-av1 presets.
it only make sense for real time recording

[supple whale]

its not very... performant, like its perf scales way worse with resolution than NVENC, but its size:quality ratio is nuts

[supple whale]

yep, 100% agreed

i kinda dislike hevc, it feels like its only popular because shit like nvidia kept pushing it, and not because it was actually needed

i mean, at least what he's yapping makes sense and is not some made up bullshiit

[jade stone]

@ivory heath ffmpreg

[supple whale]

;-;

[ivory heath]

HEVC was the first codec to properly support HDR in implementation.
VP9 also had poor support outside of web browsers for a long time

[supple whale]

ah, right hdr, i forgot

yeah vp9 was doggy

i mean it was used in youtube? that's about all i saw for its use

at least it was royalty free

but yeah not much going on for it

neither quality nor size

[ivory heath]

The only problem was google didnt make 10bit support required in the baseline profile.
Almost every single HEVC decoder supports bare minimum main 10 that requires it.

[supple whale]

overall google's interest in HDR was very minimal

both in codecs and how they treated it in their products, ie youtube, android, chromium etc

which was annoying

[ivory heath]

HDR is a fucking mess in of itself.
google simply made it worse.

[supple whale]

i meaaan

for a lot of software sure, but

now that chromium has hdr support its insanely good

like the software support for hdr in chromium is imho industry leading, at least as a developer that has created modules and implementations around chromium's hdr support

[ivory heath]

chrome does not support dolby vision, chrome also does not have the best tone mapping or scaling

[supple whale]

you can just.... take a bitmap/image "screenshot" of a HDR video, paint it to a canvas, boom that canvas has the HDR metadata, save it to png/jpeg? boom has hdr metadata

[supple whale]

it does support DV

but not in a way you can verify it

its a very touchy-feely topic because chromium supports almost every video and audio format in the world

even AC4

but they wont let u decode video with that metadata because they block it

and u need a lot of fuckery to make sure it doesnt block it

GIGA annoying as a dev who wants to ship electron apps with extra media codecs

i mean i get its because of licensing

still fucking annoying

[ivory heath]

I mean you can convert DV to HDR10+ and then display it which chrome does support

[supple whale]

chrome by default only does wia videwine content to my knowledge?\

tho last time i checked that was.... 2 years ago

so maybe that changed

but i rememeber tyring it on the cyberpunk anime with dv metadata and shit was just green XD

[ivory heath]

Widevine* and i hate that shit

[supple whale]

yeah

i hate it enough to not bother remembering the name

fuck widevine

fuck it

[ivory heath]

anyways if you didnt know about it you should try av1an

[supple whale]

i saw it, but the encoding times dont align with my ADHD

so i couldnt be bothered playing with it

shit takes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long

[ivory heath]

av1an makes encodes pausable and supposed to make them faster.

were you trying to use target quality or something?

if youre using like --preset 6 in svt with a <=8 core cpu guess it does not make that much sense

[supple whale]

ill consider it once they have hardware accel via intel gpus ngl

i'm running a 5800x3d and naaaah

just naaah

i'm a web dev, for me a compile time of 2s is a lot

[ivory heath]

what? thats never gonna happen. av1an is purely for software video encoders.
av1an cannot make hardware encoders faster

[supple whale]

when i see native compile times of 30 minutes i fucking shake

[supple whale]

not faster, but less shit quality

but yeah i assumed that too

[ivory heath]

target quality with hw encoders is cursed as shit and a waste of time

[supple whale]

yeah pretty much

[ivory heath]

yes?

this is the first time in months. would you like to know something about video or audio encoding?

[supple whale]

OH

ME

i want an in place ac3/eac3 to ANY audio transmuxer

needs to work with partial streams

all you have is the header/metadata of the file

[ivory heath]

ffmpeg?

[supple whale]

nope, libav

[ivory heath]

that is ffmpeg

[supple whale]

no

thats 10% of ffmpeg

[ivory heath]

its most of it

[ivory heath]

i can answer later but WHY?

[supple whale]

yes but u cant do libav -i input.mp4 -vf fps=1 out%d.png

thats an ffmpeg thing

libav is just a lib that helps with container decoding

[ivory heath]

libavformat and libavcodec are apart of libav and will help you with your cursed remuxing

[supple whale]

because browsers dont support ac3/eac3 outside widevine, so we wrote a lib which transmux video streams real time from say mkv to MSE, and now we're making the part which converts unsupported audio codecs into... most likely PCM

for shit like firefox, safari or android

[ivory heath]

why not opus and aac?

[supple whale]

why opus or aac?

its just extra work

this is on the client, there's 0 reason to re-encode the audio into another format

just... play it as is

[ivory heath]

opus is the most efficent audio codec and is stupidly fast, aac is most widely supported. both are faster and less datarate than fucking PCM

[supple whale]

yeah but... that doesnt matter

you're just adding extra steps

this is not on the server

this is on the client

the data is already there

why waste CPU encoding it, when the data is already there, you just need to play it

[ivory heath]

yeah and i can transcode opus at 300x real time with 1 thread

[supple whale]

cool

but why

[ivory heath]

so im sending 1/10 the data or less?

[supple whale]

yes but you're not sending any data at all?

so 1/10 of 0 is still 0?

[lavish frigate]

Means you know ffmpeg too right? Should I make a 30 dollar per month macos app that is just an ffmpeg wrapper

[ivory heath]

storing? what are you doing

[supple whale]

playing it back

[ivory heath]

someone did this for yt-dlp like a few days ago right?

[ivory heath]

ahhh

[supple whale]

this is a 1st in the world solution btw

[lavish frigate]

Yeah but I mean there is a new cli tool wrapper (mostly ffmpeg) coming out every few weeks

[supple whale]

its crazy no1 else in the world did this b4

[ivory heath]

i just use MPV

[supple whale]

all people did was "yeah lets compile all of ffmpeg into wasm, and take the ENTIRE video, load it ALL into memory, and then transcode the ENTIRE video"

just.... stream it pls

.

[supple whale]

really the ONLY thing mpv has going for it imho is proper codec support

[ivory heath]

yeah its just ffmpeg

[supple whale]

getting HDR working in it makes me want to kms, getting cropping in it makes me want to kms, getting subtitles to render correctly with hdr makes me want to kms

there's no fucking ui

just holy fuck

please

[ivory heath]

all of that works for me lol

[supple whale]

yeah after u spent 14 hours configuring it sure

and people are confused why there's so many VLC users, because normies just want shit that works, not shit that you need to spent all day setting up

// rant

[spark tiger]

wdym why are they confused vlc is great

[supple whale]

@ivory heath attack this man

[spark tiger]

like what else am i supposed to use

[supple whale]

i agree its great because its simple to use, and it just fucking works

[ivory heath]

im playing games with my wife. i will later

[supple whale]

but it has.... a lot of problems

with shit like color spaces, subtitle performance and a lot of other shit

[spark tiger]

not like i don't watch any videos other than my shadowplay gameplay

[supple whale]

pretty much yeah

[ivory heath]

used to av1 used like double or triple the cpu usage in vlc because they used a outdated as shit version of their own fucking software (dav1d)

[spark tiger]

i see

[ivory heath]

join the cult

[supple whale]

i have a growing pain with av1

because av1 could be used to greatly improve the video quality on the web

but instead, it will get worse because it will be used to cut costs, rather than improve the quality

and that fact pains me so much its unfunny :(((

[ivory heath]

discord supprots av1 embeds now

[supple whale]

for me it always did

PWAcore

:)))

[spark tiger]

lc.g av1

[visual shell]

en.wikipedia.org

AV1 - Wikipedia

AOMedia Video 1 (AV1) is an open, royalty-free video coding format initially designed for video transmissions over the Internet.

Meet AI Mode. • Google Search • Page 1/30

[supple whale]

that said, i'm yet to get DTS working in chromium at all

supposedly the chromecast version of embedded chromium has it, but i was never able to get it to run or decode outside of it

[ivory heath]

i will never understand web devs

[supple whale]

why?

[winged mantle]

my programming philosophy is DRY (do repeat yourself)

[supple whale]

for me webdev is exactly about not repeating myself

i dont need 10 native apps with 10 gpu contexts, with 10 system binding interfaces, with 10 file handlers, with 10 cache handlers

just have the browser interface all that for me

waaaaaay less resources used, as long as you keep as much possible in the browser

[lavish frigate]

😭

[supple whale]

EKHEM STEAM NUKING PERFORMANCE EKHEM

[lavish frigate]

insane people only in this channel

[royal nymph]

including you

[lavish frigate]

yeah

and you are part of it too

[supple whale]

that said, electron is a mistake, chrome is just sleeping on IWAs for some fucking reason

[ivory heath]

True. Web Dev mind set

[winged mantle]

web dev? more like web pain

pain.com

[supple whale]

whats so insane about me just having a video player that works

[royal nymph]

this site would oneshot soda https://haven.pages.dev/

[ivory heath]

Using web browser for everything

[supple whale]

yep

[ivory heath]

If it was up to me most things would be a TUI app

[supple whale]

man this shit is like... 5 years old at this point?

if not more

its so brokey its unfunny

[royal nymph]

update when??

[supple whale]

next year most likely?

[shrewd canopy]

Why would you prefer that over actual native OS apps

[royal nymph]

its over

[supple whale]

im finishing up hayase

then doing my paper

and then i'm free

[supple whale]

because you can open it regardless of what pc or device your on

it uses way less resources than native apps if you've already got a browser open

and... thats about it

actually you know what?

[supple whale]

here's why

[shrewd canopy]

no thanks I'm not opening 1.58 MB .pdf file

[supple whale]

mostly pictures tbf

only like 12-ish pages of text

[lavish frigate]

so insane

why would you use any of that

[ivory heath]

I’m just hearing pure cope rn

To be honest

[shrewd canopy]

I'd prefer using a native application over web app
they are actually much more speedy and less bloated than web

[lavish frigate]

(except manga reader i guess..?)

[ivory heath]

You’re assuming bloated as shit native apps

[lavish frigate]

operating systems notoriously dont come with image viewers, audio or video players

[supple whale]

list one non bloated native app