🪅-progaming

[deep mulch]

TEnded so ulgy

[valid jetty]

zip

[valid jetty]

youre gonna love zip then

[deep mulch]

rosie will choose better naming

[valid jetty]

WHY DO YOU HUSK EVERYTHING

[valid jetty]

whats wrong with this

[deep mulch]

it is so husk worthy

UEnv Tended

[valid jetty]

chain

what else was there

oh yeah flatten

i think thats the last one

ok it think flatten will take a while

ill do it tomorrow

ok this is what i have now

i moved peekable to adapters

i think thats a nice collection

might add max min find any all position sum product???

but these consume the iterator so theyre not adapters

now i wanna quickly make x..y call Iterator::range

alright that was pretty easy

?remind 12h foreach should turn the iterable expr into an iterator first

[delicate grove]

Alright @valid jetty, in 12 hours: foreach should turn the iterable expr into an iterator first

[valid jetty]

good night im exhausted

[deep mulch]

rosie sleeping at a semi decent time? impossible

@valid jetty nini

[valid jetty]

i dont sleep for 2 hours every night

[deep mulch]

3 hours might as well be 2

and 4 hours might as well be 3

rosinga

oh rosie my rosie

[royal nymph]

true

Josh would be a better name

[solemn ravine]

annoyin

swift unable to type check

sometimes I need to test my changes then I get hit with something unknown

how yummy

[native spruce]

@formal belfry it’s so fire

[formal belfry]

Protokorn

[native spruce]

korn

[hoary sluice]

1:39 is not a semi decent time

[hoary sluice]

bogos binted

[deep mulch]

bogos binted

[deep mulch]

relative to rosies normal eep time it is

[winged mantle]

https://bsky.app/profile/tsoding.bsky.social/post/3lpssqdheh22k

Тsфdiиg (@tsoding.bsky.social)

My Global Variables Rant

▶ Play video

Bluesky · May 23, 2025, 4:38 AM

[fleet cedar]

Much better

[spark tiger]

https://x.com/onehappyfellow/status/1925844868326150418

One Happy Fellow (@onehappyfellow)

wow the linux kernel dev rust hate is getting out of hand unbelievable

X · May 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

ngl i wanna pr something like that so badly

[spark tiger]

yes lmao 😭

struct Config {
    retries: u8,
    username: String,
    silent_mode: bool,
    timeout_secs: u64,

    ssl_enabled: bool,
    update_interval: u32,
    cache_path: String,
    kill_switch: bool,
    startup_script: Option<String>,
}```

[valid jetty]

struct Config<'a> {
    clock: u64,

    pid_state: u8,
    list_path: &'a str,
    unlocked: bool,
    stream: &'a [&'a str],
    
    pull_state: u8,
    literal_secs: u64,
    user_path: &'a str,
    synced: bool,

    sys_path: &'a str,
    unlatched: bool,
    con_async: bool,
    key: &'a str,
    single_stream: bool   
}

[formal belfry]

mods are asleep quick post structs

[nimble bone]

good

death to rust

long live memory unsafe programming languages such as C

[spark tiger]

indeed

[ionic lake]

hes just a crab what did he do to yall 😭

[valid jetty]

wtf thats cool

WHATT THIS IS SO COOL

[delicate grove]

@valid jetty, <t:1747960748:R>: foreach should turn the iterable expr into an iterator first

[valid jetty]

yeah

[formal belfry]

rosie installing macos slop

[valid jetty]

im on ventura

the spotlight search is so unreliable

i wanted to try something else

and raycast also gives you clipboard history

[valid jetty]

slay??

and if you make it match it works

[winged mantle]

why in typescript can you assign number to {} and {} to object, but not number to object
this has an odd effect

    const a: {} = 5;
    const b: object = a;
    if (typeof b === "number") {
        // b is narrowed to never
    }

[formal belfry]

y

https://tenor.com/view/hyacine-honkai-star-rail-cinny-gif-12658881591786825316

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/issues/56205

[formal belfry]

the world if typescript had decent optional chaining

[winged mantle]

Allowing {} to be used as object is an intentional compatibility hole since object didn't always exist, so people used {} as the next-best thing.

why no option

[formal belfry]

the world if typescript wasn’t just missing a shitton of things in general

I used swift and realized how terrible ts can be sometimes

[valid jetty]

{} is essentially almost any

[winged mantle]

not really though

it's more like unknown

it doesn't assume properties exist like any

[valid jetty]

true

[winged mantle]

and you also can't assign it to whatever type you want

it just has a loophole for object

[formal belfry]

I’ll make my own typescript

call it @solid gazelle Script

[winged mantle]

horror

makes sense

[formal belfry]

fres as! Freslet

[winged mantle]

the object type is just evil

[formal belfry]

boolean Boolean string String

[winged mantle]

i like t he way unknown and {} | undefined | null are distinct

i realised typescript is not the ultimate language for type safety anyway but maybe i should try using go for things i abuse typescript for instead sometimes

[valid jetty]

@formal belfry implement this when

[jade stone]

where is __func__

[valid jetty]

maybe in the _wassert?

[winged mantle]

this doesn't work with unknown

[jade stone]

not a macro

[valid jetty]

export function isEmpty<T extends {}>(obj: T) {
    for (const key in obj) return false;
    return true;
}
``` surely

[winged mantle]

oh wait

got it back to front

but Object.hasOwn is still necessary

[jade stone]

yeah, unknown be undefined and key in void 0 errors

[winged mantle]

at least... i would find it weird for it to behave differently from Object.keys(...).length

[winged mantle]

it doesn't

also it has a compile error with unknown but not with {} | undefined | null

[formal belfry]

@valid jetty how do i make a programming language and a transpiler for that language

it will be called Languagemasu

transpiles to javascript

[valid jetty]

dream up syntax and then go from there

[formal belfry]

written in blazingly fast Python

[winged mantle]

[valid jetty]

you forgot a curly brace

wait

NO DONT MIX THEM

[formal belfry]

just swift but with a different name

[winged mantle]

nop

[valid jetty]

omg no thats so cursed

[winged mantle]

how is that cursed

[valid jetty]

if (x) {} else y
``` NO

[winged mantle]

so good

[valid jetty]

it has to be if (x) y else z

or if (x) {} else {}

[winged mantle]

i use brace when multiple lines

though ig that is weird because the else also has multiple lines

[valid jetty]

that foreach is multiple lines

[jade stone]

oops, for some reason i just did the in operator, not the for..in

[winged mantle]

if (typeof obj === "object")
for (const key in obj)
if (Object.hasOwn(obj, key))
return false;
else
for (const _ in obj)
return false;

i find this confusing to look at

[jade stone]

GUHH

[winged mantle]

the lore behind me not using braces is i was working on a codebase which didn't use them

and at the time i wanted to use a better code style for my own projects

so i adopted something more convensional

and also stopped doing braces when unneccessary

[valid jetty]

so put both in curly 😭

[fleet cedar]

This doesn't parse like it looks like

[winged mantle]

ohh

yeah

that's the issue

that'll be why i instinctively do it

i have been doing brace warcrimes for a few years

[valid jetty]

no braces also just straight up can be confusing

if (x)
    do_thing_a();
    do_thing_b();
``` b will run unconditionally

[winged mantle]

i only use when they're not confusing

[valid jetty]

its just kinda really confusing

[winged mantle]

when you press ctrl+s (hopefully) the formatter corrects it

[valid jetty]

logic errors like that shouldnt be left up to tooling lol

[winged mantle]

i mean you are always gonna run your code through tooling or it's not gonna be very useful

you're gonna have to type check your typescript if you actually want to take advantage of the language and you should probably also run eslint whenever you do that

there's probably an eslint rule ffor this

also if you're doing single line it's kinda ugly to do

if (thing) { return true; }

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice @deep mulch i did it

lazy iterators in foreach !!!

[hoary sluice]

for 2 minutes and 41 seconds i was excitedly waiting to see a demonstration of lazy iterators and i did not get one

or i am stupid

but where do i see theyre lazy

also arent all iterators lazy

or is ur point that iterators work at all not that theyre lazy

[valid jetty]

no they are lazy

[valid jetty]

no

beforehand, foreach loops literally created indexed for loops internally

this can yield unindexable things

[valid jetty]

the whole foreach construct here is showcasing that

before, foreach loops used to be

for x in y {
    $dbg(x);
}

// desugars to:
{
    __idx_x := 0;
    __iter_x := y;
    for ; __idx_x < __iter_x.__len__(); __idx_x += 1 {
        x := __iter_x[__idx_x];
        $dbg(x);
    }
}
``` now they are
```rs
for x in y {
    $dbg(x);
}

// desugars to:
{
    __iter_x := y.__iter__();
    while _, __value_x := __iter_x.next() {
        x := __value_x;
        $dbg(x);
    }
}

[deep mulch]

insane

[valid jetty]

ok cool it works with iterators now

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty they made claude 4

now you can vibe code elle even better

[valid jetty]

true

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty bestie

[valid jetty]

hii

[deep mulch]

hii

@valid jetty you love Android runtime

https://source.android.com/docs/core/runtime

ART

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice THIS MAKES SEMANTIC SENSE NOW

lexer := Lexer::new(args[0]);
tokens := [Token;];

for token in lexer {
    tokens.push(token);
}

for token in lexer

or heck even this

this is beautiful

[deep mulch]

what's collect do

[valid jetty]

look at this iter method

fn Lexer::__iter__(Lexer self) -> Iterator<Token, Lexer, SingleEnded> {
    return Iterator {
        env = Box::new(self),
        next = Lexer::next_token,
        next_back = nil
    };
}

[deep mulch]

to list?

[valid jetty]

yea

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty does Elle have immutable arrays

[valid jetty]

no

everything is mutable

mut is a reserved keyword but not used for anything yet

[deep mulch]

do

also add visibility keywords whenn

[valid jetty]

after i rewrite modules

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty make Elle gitbook wiki

[valid jetty]

you have a md document

look its pretty short

[deep mulch]

Rosie insane

[frosty obsidian]

starlight docs for elle soon

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian teach me all of astro instantly

[frosty obsidian]

its not hard man

[deep mulch]

I don't like html or css

[frosty obsidian]

well unfortunately thats what websites are

[deep mulch]

wing memorized every single css rule

[valid jetty]

zoot

minklang

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty how

[valid jetty]

fuck around and find out

[deep mulch]

bweh

accidentally unplugged os drive while PC was running

oop

oh the fans are getting extremely loud

[valid jetty]

lmfao

[deep mulch]

help now it won't boot

i can't ssh

[valid jetty]

[deep mulch]

hiii @valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

no

[valid jetty]

for each token in the lexer, do this

this is such an unnecessarily complex function signature

maybe i named these wrong

instead of into_iter and iter like rust, i will name them iter and iter_ref

because i dont put as much of an emphasis on borrowing

idk thats probably a neater signature

slightly

i just realized all of this is gonna take like 12 years to write tests for

at least i have next week off school 😭

[deep mulch]

i think i accidentally corrupted the drive @valid jetty

fsck from util-linux 2.41
e2fsck 1.47.2 (1-Jan-2025)
ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb

The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4
filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2/ext3/ext4
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
or
e2fsck -b 32768 <device>

/dev/sdb contains `DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xee, start-CHS (0x0,0,2), end-CHS (0x3ff,255,63), startsector 1, 1953525167 sectors, extended partition table (last)' data

thats probably not good

[winged mantle]

type safety

it's so you can do export default defineProvider and get a clear error if you pass the wrong type

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty youre playing https://youtu.be/hiNoTmsrT2s

[winged mantle]

made better

[deep mulch]

Debian devs so smart

the live boot USB doesn't even have the boot repair pre installed

it requires internet access to add the repos and stuff

[winged mantle]

wdym the image contains many packages which you can install without internet

at least if you use DVD iso

[blazing haven]

is that even an official debian package

[severe python]

yes because you used the netinst iso

[severe python]

the cat listening to port 69

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-8915831303111826392

[jade stone]

google, i dont think these are bitwise operations

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hikii

[fleet cedar]

I think the article worked you

[hoary sluice]

Yes they are. Deal with it

@valid jetty @valid jetty

[winged mantle]

this article is going to work you...

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty how am i supposed to learn a language when bala means child and baka means frog

😭 😭

this is so unfair you get this

and i get this

[south moon]

@native spruce how can i make a systemImage next to a text

[native spruce]

context?

[formal belfry]

do you mean label

Label("ball", systemImage: "water")

[native spruce]

yeah that's usually what I do if I want an image

[south moon]

i'll try

[formal belfry]

how did i even learn swiftui

[native spruce]

I learned it by trial and error and constantly starring at it

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry explain

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty find whats wrong

[deep mulch]

what is my big ball

[native spruce]

Rust, thats whats wrong

[hoary sluice]

singular

[native spruce]

also what font is that

[hoary sluice]

nop

im gonna gatekeep it until you accept rust as objectively the only programming language

(its maple mono)

[formal belfry]

maybe i did the same

i know i struggled a bunch

u can tell by my first apps having titan sized contentview

[formal belfry]

goood font

tiramistheme

i should make a colour palette like catppuccin

[south moon]

@formal belfry are you darwin

[formal belfry]

idk

[south moon]

oh yes

[formal belfry]

not in my connections or anything

[deep mulch]

@venbot

[south moon]

@native spruce how the fuck do i do it

[native spruce]

?

[south moon]

the thing with the icon

[native spruce]

do what

[south moon]

with a Text

[native spruce]

Please explain

[south moon]

i want to make like

Start organizing your files by pressing (systemImage next to it)

[formal belfry]

like an inline button?

or

[south moon]

nono

[formal belfry]

a button with a label inside

[south moon]

the plus above is the button

wait actually

you gave me an idea

a button with a label would be nice honestly

[native spruce]

this isnt the most ideal way to do it

it gets super complicated

[south moon]

yeah

[south moon]

how do i do this

[formal belfry]

u should experiment maybe lol

you put an image in a button, so

therefore a label can also go in there

so Button {

} label: {
Label("ball", systemImage: "water")
}

[south moon]

oh dang it works

anyways

how can i fill in this empty

what should i add

i'm making an app where you have everything organized

to organize your files in an efficient way

https://github.com/dxamima/Syne

[native spruce]

brainstorm it

[south moon]

explain

[native spruce]

get an idea on what you want it to look like

[south moon]

i want it to look cool

and comfortable

[native spruce]

for example I made a console app recently, and i wanted to show a list of logs

[south moon]

i want my app to have folders, which you can customize the icon and do what you want with them and also a folder created in your mac called "Syne" where you have all your folders in finder

someone suggested me to do this

@real badger

[native spruce]

Maybe you should try to implement that functionality first before diving into the ui

[south moon]

that's what i thought about

what do you recommend to learn

[native spruce]

because the ui will take up most your time

[south moon]

true

[valid jetty]

LMAO self.next(1)

[native spruce]

I made this ui after I figured out how to do logging

[south moon]

^

[valid jetty]

btw we get sooo much more than just this

[south moon]

@real badger is this what you suggested

[native spruce]

learn how to replace icons

[south moon]

hmm

true

[valid jetty]

there are tools to automatically hover over a word in japanese and insert it into an anki set with the sentence and website it came from aswell as audio and a dictionary definitions

100% efficiency jp learning is insane

sentence mining is insane

AJATT is insane

[hoary sluice]

nop

whats wrong with that

i want next(2) sometimes

[valid jetty]

i don’t get it

[hoary sluice]

look at the return type

[valid jetty]

again what’s wrong with the return type, doesn’t that just hold the Ok type?

[hoary sluice]

yeah well theres 70 million people learning japanese and im the only person learning kazakh

[south moon]

the "how you want them" was funny @native spruce

[hoary sluice]

it returns (TokenKind, TokenValue) instead of Token

[valid jetty]

..that’s the issue ?? 😭

[hoary sluice]

yes

[valid jetty]

i literally do that for mine and then construct a token later with location

insane

[hoary sluice]

probably because i copied it from you

[valid jetty]

lmao

[hoary sluice]

but doesnt ur token have location in the struct

[valid jetty]

yes

[native spruce]

yeah it supports markdown

[south moon]

cool

if you want can you help me sometime

like tomorrow

[valid jetty]

consume functions just return kind val and then that’s used along with location to construct the final token

[hoary sluice]

it used to make sense when i wanted tokenkind and value without location, but now Token doesnt have location and i use Located<Token> for it

so Token is equivalent to the tuple

[valid jetty]

look at this

jaw DROPPED

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty how to make use statements not execute everything thats in the other file

probably cant right

just gotta not have global expressions

[valid jetty]

well that’s a problem with the way you evaluate things

[south moon]

@native spruce

[fleet cedar]

All that's in the other file is declarations anyway

There's nothing to execute

[native spruce]

you should try it on your own, figure out how it works by googling and such or reading how mac icon replacements work

[south moon]

alright

[valid jetty]

well i mean depending on how eagely set it up there are things to execute

[hoary sluice]

HELS ALGELS

HELS ALGELS

LMAO

[valid jetty]

what 😭

[formal belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/neko-catgirl-peek-anime-gif-25075622

[hoary sluice]

yes i just need a main function

anyway this works now

[valid jetty]

btw if you wanna allow recursive imports

set the current dir to the parent dir of the file being imported

and then set it back after

that way when you import tests.foo.functions, it will see ./ as tests.foo and not the original main file

[hoary sluice]

isnt that gonna throw an error

[valid jetty]

why would it throw an error

[hoary sluice]

cause it couldnt find the original file

[valid jetty]

hm?

no i meant, when you know the path and have the file

[native spruce]

@valid jetty hows elle

[valid jetty]

make that file import things relative to it

[hoary sluice]

when tests.foo imports tests.bar ./ will be tests and not tests/..

or what

[valid jetty]

it’s good !!! i just recently implemented lazy iterators

[native spruce]

woew

[hoary sluice]

are you calling them lazy iterators cause i asked if iterators can be non lazy

or because there are non lazy iterators

[valid jetty]

there are non lazy iterators i guess

[valid jetty]

oh wtf thats not what i expected

i just realized youre in tests/use.icy

[hoary sluice]

imports are relative to Cargo.toml

[valid jetty]

is that because the import is relative to where you invoke the interpreter from

[hoary sluice]

i think

lol

[valid jetty]

it should be relative to the parent dir of the file being imported/ran

[hoary sluice]

yea ik

[valid jetty]

i remember getting so confused over this lol

not the concept itself

but the implementation

i do this before "importing"

[hoary sluice]

im gonna vibe code this

[valid jetty]

then fixup

[valid jetty]

why 😭

[hoary sluice]

because

its just refusing to do it

ok

[valid jetty]

oh great

ok i figured out why/fixed it

[hoary sluice]

ok i vibe coded it

it works

[valid jetty]

this is actually a really bad problem because you need this to work sometimes but not other times

$assert(~a == ~65535, "~a should equal ~65535 but it is {}".format(~a));

[hoary sluice]

im guessing everything is gonna implode in 2 weeks

[valid jetty]

lmao

[hoary sluice]

~a should be 65535 on tuesdays or what

[valid jetty]

assert takes a bool as its 0th arg, which means the expr passed to assert has bool as its param that literals should be interpreted as

that cascades down the ast to the 65535

and makes it believe it should be a bool literal

sometimes you want this behavior though

so what i did i guess, is just, compile lhs with the ty from the funcall, then compile the rhs with the lhs type

which means it still breaks if i do ~65535 == ~a 😭

but idk how to account for this because there are times when you want the cascading behavior of the type, and others when you dont

maybe i just ignore bool as a possible type for the literal if its not 0 or 1

[hoary sluice]

what does this mean

[valid jetty]

(bools are encoded with numbers)

[hoary sluice]

why

or like why is bool 65535

[valid jetty]

if i have

fn foo(u8 x) {}

fn main() {
    foo(34);
}
``` the compiler knows to interpret 34 as a u8 literal and not the standard i32

bool is not

0 is false, anything that isnt 0 is true

[hoary sluice]

if you do foo(true) will it say 255

[valid jetty]

no it will say 1

[hoary sluice]

then how do you get 65535

[valid jetty]

because this is the test

let a = 0xffff;

$assert(~a == a ^ -1, "~a should equal xor a, -1 but it is {}".format(~a));
$assert(~a == -a - 1, "~a should equal -a - 1 but it is {}".format(~a));
$assert(~a == ~65535, "~a should equal ~65535 but it is {}".format(~a));
$assert(~a == ~0xffff, "~a should equal ~0xffff but it is {}".format(~a));
$assert(~a == -65536, "~a should equal -65536 but it is {}".format(~a));

$println("All `bitwise not` tests have passed!".color("green").reset());

the compiler is not supposed to think its a bool

but it does because the type from the assert's 0th arg cascades down

to the literal

this only happens for literals

[hoary sluice]

what is a 0th arg

[valid jetty]

because they inherit their types from the parent type

[valid jetty]

fn io::assert(ElleMeta meta, bool condition, string message) {
    if !condition {
        let parsed = message ?: "No additional information was specified.";

        io::eprintln(
            meta.caller, ": Assertion '", meta.exprs[0], "' failed.\n",
            parsed.color("italic").reset()
        );

        libc::abort();
    }
}

to the caller, the bool condition is the 0th arg

so any literals passed to that parameter at the call-site will be interpreted as a bool if none of the ast nodes broke the ties with the arg

[hoary sluice]

are you 0 indexing args

[valid jetty]

and as binary ops preserve the parent type to the inner type, the bool carries all the way down

[valid jetty]

..well its a Vec

[hoary sluice]

its a lot less confusing to say first arg

[valid jetty]

oh

well then yeah first arg

[hoary sluice]

i still dont understand this

assert takes a bool as its first arg, which means the ?????????????????????????????????

[valid jetty]

essentially, at the call site

fn foo(u8 x) {}

fn main() {
    foo(34);
}
``` the compiler sees 34, and its normal instinct is to think "oh, an i32 literal" but because its smart enough to see that its being passed to an argument of type u8, it thinks "oh, this is actually a u8 literal instead" and doesnt do any conversions, just interprets 34 as a u8

similarly, assert takes a bool, which is considered a numeric type

[hoary sluice]

yes ok

and whats the problem

[hoary sluice]

????

[valid jetty]

essentially

when compiling the binary operation

you can have a "known type"

or a type that the expression should turn out to be

that is passed down recursively through any binary operations that occur

so, as the "known type" is bool,

when compiling the right hand side, ~65535, it passes the bool down further

and the bitwise not does the same

so it ends up seeing "65535, the known type is a bool, ok so this is a bool literal"

[hoary sluice]

oh

so it thinks its ~a as bool == ~65535 as bool?

[valid jetty]

yeah basically, but this only applies to literals

to literal numbers to be specific

[hoary sluice]

and whats the problem

like ok 42 == 37

but ~a and ~65535 should be equal either way

no?

[valid jetty]

no because ~a is interpreted as i32 as thats the type of a

because a isnt a literal

its a variable

the final equality becomes a bool

[hoary sluice]

ur checking 0xffff == true?

[valid jetty]

im checking 0xffff == ~true

[hoary sluice]

that will cause so many issues

oh

[valid jetty]

it will not

[hoary sluice]

why does type inference precede over unary ops

[valid jetty]

it doesnt, it only does for literals lol

[valid jetty]

it will just ignore bool as a possibility for what type the literal should be interpreted as, and probably end up interpreting it as i32 which then can be casted up or down to the correct type

simply

it does all kinds of other inferences for literals

like for example if a function returns u64 and you do return 39; it will interpret 39 as a u64

[hoary sluice]

oh

[valid jetty]

works

cool

[valid jetty]

realistically this is not true

[hoary sluice]

why is use like the biggest commit i did in months

[valid jetty]

bool is not a 1 bit type its 1 byte type

so its more like doing 0xffff == ~(0xffff & 255)

[valid jetty]

lmao horror

io soon™️

[hoary sluice]

if i execute smth in the repl it should take the working dir as the reference dir right

[hoary sluice]

now i can actually do io

well not now

on monday

[valid jetty]

why monday

[hoary sluice]

maybe sunday

i have to get my diploma thesis running

before monday

(it works (not on nixos tho) but it needs to run on a raspi)

[valid jetty]

😭

what is wrong with macos

why does it start my recording 4 seconds late

[hoary sluice]

rosie when she finds out she can send a screenshot instead of a 1 second video

smh

oh

[valid jetty]

it still started late

whatever

stupid macos

[hoary sluice]

why did it put a use statement inside a function

thats so cursed

never vibe coding again

[valid jetty]

LMAO

whats the point of vibe coding anyway

like yeah you save time but you lose the satisfaction

[hoary sluice]

you should be splitting it up into multiple commits

[hoary sluice]

there is no satisfaction at 11 pm

[valid jetty]

i will lol

i do that all the time

i manually verify each hunk

[hoary sluice]

thats cursed

[valid jetty]

nop

i have caught bugs and things i forgot to do doing this

[hoary sluice]

i need to fix my error messages soon

i have . sometimes and no . sometimes

[valid jetty]

oh husk

i do that

[hoary sluice]

and first letter uppercase which is 💀

i dont have a way of differentiating parser errors and interpreter errors other than interpreter doesnt put . at the end of the error lol

[valid jetty]

i added this error recently

(it used to be a todo!())

this one also used to be a todo

[valid jetty]

you should enable a thing with debug_assertions that puts "this error was generated in x"

at the bottom of the error

or something

[hoary sluice]

probably

[valid jetty]

what is claude 4 about

[fleet cedar]

4% less compile errors when vibe coding probably

(Runtime errors are unaffected)

[valid jetty]

lmaoo

[hoary sluice]

there are no compiler errors in javascript

and i dont think a lot of vibe coding is done outside of javascript

[fleet cedar]

/run ```js
(

[rugged berry]

@fleet cedar I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/43c43bb0-2d71-483c-9dde-28b5dfbce7c9/file0.code:2



SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
    at internalCompileFunction (node:internal/vm:73:18)
    at wrapSafe (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1176:20)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1218:27)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[hoary sluice]

ok but i dont think claude does that

realistically there will be very few syntax errors in js when using claude

itll hallucinate a lot but javascript allows a lot

@valid jetty life lesson never do anything just because its better for your grades than the thing u want to do

i made a voice assistant which i hated every minute of making just so i wouldnt get a guaranteed B cause you get teamwork F if you do it alone

[valid jetty]

🫵 You're ✨ leading ⬇️ in 🚀 blazingly 🐇 fast 😎 vibe 💻 coding ⏬ in 🚄 Rust 😀 , ▶️ that 🤪 is ❌ NOT 🗑️ JavaScript

[hoary sluice]

ok but thats not actual vibe coding

i verified and corrected every line that it wrote

[valid jetty]

horror

[hoary sluice]

ok my voice assistant is like 20% non verified (other than testing it) vibe coded

and the frontend like 90%

[valid jetty]

[hoary sluice]

(got an A on the frontend he didnt even look at the code other than the snippets i put in the paper

[valid jetty]

you say this every video dude

[hoary sluice]

i literally just yapped about it for an hour and he didnt look at the project

[valid jetty]

😭

[hoary sluice]

it was kinda sad

[valid jetty]

this is why you dont vibe code it you just dont do it at all

[hoary sluice]

every time theres a new model it beats all the old ones by an insane margin and then it ends up being worse than 4o

[valid jetty]

is 4o good or

who is that one made by

[hoary sluice]

no lol

chatgpt

its gpt 4 but faster i thikn

smth like that

[valid jetty]

oh

[hoary sluice]

no reasoning

[valid jetty]

i sure hope the ai overlords take us humans as pets soon

cats live a great life, rent-free with free food and sleeping all day

[hoary sluice]

added lines 😲 🤯

[valid jetty]

i want that

[valid jetty]

THATS IT??

THAT WAS YOUR USE COMMIT???

[hoary sluice]

yea what about it

[valid jetty]

what the fuck 😭

youre gonna be done with icypeas within 4kloc at this rate

[hoary sluice]

way less

other than stdlib

https://github.com/eagely/icypeas/commit/b106e0ddcda4888230538b3c9384cbf416787b96

[valid jetty]

not if you have an stdlib

lmao

i guess you can attribute the interpreter for making it so much less code?

like im here and about to write 1k lines of tests

[valid jetty]

maybe not

[hoary sluice]

i just lex use as an ident (1 line), anything after it as identifier { "." identifier } (0 loc) (the lexer needed 1 loc of change other than an unrelated error msg), parse it (just make sure its actually ident . ident . ident (41 loc) and the actual logic is read the file and lex parse and interpret it in place (60 loc)

[valid jetty]

nvm an svg is 500 loc

😭

[hoary sluice]

its not counting icy

idk why

[valid jetty]

does this allow for recursive imports???

[hoary sluice]

how to make it count icy

[valid jetty]

you have to add it

https://github.com/XAMPPRocky/tokei/pull/1255

[hoary sluice]

if your stack is infinite and you have a lot of time (infinite) it does

[valid jetty]

what about nested imports

oh wait do you read imports from the right place or

is it still the working dir of the interpreter

[hoary sluice]

dir of the file

[valid jetty]

good

[hoary sluice]

i told you 5 minutes ago that i vibe coded that

[valid jetty]

oh yeah

lol

did you confirm if it does actually import nested things tho

[hoary sluice]

so relatable

[hoary sluice]

no

lol

yes i did

i had tests.prelude originally

back when it was using shell wd

[valid jetty]

i meant this

// ./foo/a.icy
use bar.b

// ./foo/bar/b.icy
add x y = x + y

// ./test.icy
use foo.a

[valid jetty]

lc.ocrtr

[visual shell]

-# <:i:1363558878872080414> ​ 🇷🇺  Russian   ​ ​ ​​<:i:1363556471303831552> ​ ​ ​ ​🇺🇸  English  

Life of Vasya Pechkin
Telegram life of Vasya Pechkin
Today I learned a funny fact:
Tatarstan lives on Moscow time, and neighboring Bashkortostan
with a 2-hour shift. And the men
in the border village on the Bashkir side, if they run out of booze after 22:00,
they send a messenger on a bicycle to the Tatar village, which is 3 km away, and
replenish their supplies, because
it's still 20:00 there. And Tatar
drunkards have a hangover in the morning,
if their own is closed, then from the
Bashkir store, it opens two
hours earlier
Travel
In time, they
are real```

Google Lens • labsCore

[valid jetty]

what 😭

that doesnt help in any way

[hoary sluice]

im not gonna test it rn but i dont see any way for it not to do that

[valid jetty]

thats what i said and then it broke

[hoary sluice]

ik path resolving works and it just lexes, parses and interprets in place

so its the same as pasting the file in there

ok ill test it

[hoary sluice]

works

[valid jetty]

good

[deep mulch]

icee peass

[hoary sluice]

noo

[deep mulch]

yes

[hoary sluice]

tatarstan is using moscow time (utc+3) and bashkortostan (on the border of tatarstan) has utc+5 so when bashkirs run out of alcohol at 22:00 they cycle to tatarstan where its 20:00 and buy more; tatars with a hangover in the morning go to bashkortostan because shops open 2h earlier there

russia seems to mostly skip even numbered time zones for some reason

[deep mulch]

so many zones

[south moon]

i don't know swift so now how do i put the action

@native spruce

[native spruce]

between here (also please refer to this as swiftui and not swift)

[south moon]

okk

[native spruce]

for example:

Button {
  print("help me")
} label: {
  Text("le button")
}

[south moon]

can't i just put add

[native spruce]

theres multple ways of making a button

[south moon]

i will try this

[native spruce]

yes that works since its a function

the button accepts any escaping action

[south moon]

@native spruce i should start coding functions

fuck

@native spruce what should i do now

aaaaa

[native spruce]

not my decision

[south moon]

no i mean

what should i code

what do you recommend to code now

[native spruce]

you wanted an icon changer, why not do that..?

[south moon]

i first need to make a page where it lists all the folders

but idk how to make seperate pages

[native spruce]

use google

[south moon]

@native spruce if i use tabview, can i also make like buttons that redirect to that tab and if i have that button i make the tab normal switcher invisible?

[native spruce]

why invisible

[south moon]

wait

can i customize the position of them

[nimble bone]

just Grok it ✨

(don't)

[valid jetty]

https://youtu.be/HXBIr719tZg?si=ARUBrO8IN_lqKF1d

anime girl in the thumbnail

instant watch

[shrewd canopy]

Is there swiftui for windows yet or nah

[native spruce]

@woven mesa 2 more things until protokolle release

gonna obfuscate these

I love obfuscation

[deep mulch]

I suppose I will try to ask probably won't get a reply

[deep mulch]

what is protokolle

[royal nymph]

german for protocols

love?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1029315212521771020/1375603516923445328/attachment.gif

[solemn ravine]

making exportable structs is surprisingly easy

[formal belfry]

nerd

[spark tiger]

Open in Protokorn

[formal belfry]

who said korn

[pseudo sierra]

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry hii

[dense sand]

Peak pr https://github.com/LWJGL/lwjgl3/pull/1067 😭

[south moon]

@native spruce how can i embed a gif image in swift

[ionic lake]

grok how can i embed a gif image in swift

[south moon]

why did it automod my message

[signal oak]

Use UIImageView with UIImage.animatedImage(with:duration:).

Message URL

#🪅-progaming message

[native spruce]

Google.com

[south moon]

i did

[spark tiger]

tf did i do to trigger automod 😭

was it grok

[native spruce]

yes

[spark tiger]

insane

[spark tiger]

open in notes my beloved

[woven mesa]

omg

[spark tiger]

#warning is kinda cool

like that you can that easily mark stuff

and it will show as if it was a regular language error or whatever

[native spruce]

I did those

[native spruce]

you can also fatalerror with a custom message and xcode will yell it out to you

[spark tiger]

so like just panic!()?

[native spruce]

yeah

[spark tiger]

oh ic

swift seems like a very neat language

like a very straightforward one but at the same time powerful

[runic sundial]

Yooo

Personally don't care for the "security" but I am curious if it's faster than stbi at decoding 8k pngs

My friend Raven semi-recenly got her PR merged with SDL3 bindings

Hoping to ditch GLFW for that eventually

[winged mantle]

oold video

[dense sand]

But like 20k lines 😭😭

[woven mesa]

hi oomfies

[native spruce]

hello llsc

[hoary sluice]

well most of it is generated java or copied c from what i can tell

[valid jetty]

omg i forgot about this test

[hoary sluice]

lmaooo

rosie what were ur wordle words today

[valid jetty]

does that asterisk mean its in hard mode

[hoary sluice]

yes

going ||seeds|| is crazy

[spark ridge]

its time to update windows 10 to 11
id like to move to ubuntu, but i cant because i use unity

[dense sand]

any dart/flutter users here?

[dense sand]

would you eat biscord as a cake 😭

[median root]

"Prolly means the dart libraries are not avaliable on this platform"

[dense sand]

Thats bs, i ran the project yesterday fine and changed nothing

And it even builds fine on my friends machine

[median root]

Oh yeah I love when that happen to me

[median root]

Tried it via docker yet?

There's also always good old "flutter upgrade"

Making sure u got the right branch

[ionic lake]

yeah this is why i hated flutter

[median root]

I've only ever used it for Linux desktop apps

[ionic lake]

just deps that suddenly become incompatible from one version update

[median root]

I've always found gradle and flutter mobile to be a huge headache

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty japanese is the easiest language to learn behind english

difficulty of languages depends on the amount of material not difficulty of language

[median root]

I swear difficulty of language comes from what languages you know before?

[valid jetty]

it is completely different grammatically to english

[supple whale]

what do i do here guys

some guy came complaining that my app doesnt work for him

[shrewd canopy]

Windows 19

[spark ridge]

the Japanese language is very difficult because of the endless number of words

[valid jetty]

that too yeah

i forget the reading of words all the time

[hoary sluice]

so is like every other language

[hoary sluice]

so is like every other language

the difference is you can learn those words in japanese

have fun learning kazakh vocab without living there

[hoary sluice]

this is not the hard part of languages

I know the grammatical order of like 10 languages

like 50 if you count all turkic languages

[valid jetty]

good luck learning formal kanji without living there

[hoary sluice]

with japanese if you want to learn grammar you can:

1. use duolingo
2. take an in person course
3. take an online course (eg youtube)
4. read a book
5. use any of the thousands of language learning apps that offer japanese
6. move to japan

with kazakh if you want to learn grammar you can:

1. learn russian first, then move to kazakhstan and take an in person course

same goes for vocab

you can use an anki deck for kazakh which has just the word and the translation with no explanation and no audio (!!)

[valid jetty]

use duolingo

[hoary sluice]

duolingo is very good for grammar

not for tenses

[fleet cedar]

Duolingo is great for preset sentences

[hoary sluice]

but for constructing sentences correctly if you know the vocab

[cinder egret]

i mean yeah because every weeb wants to learn japanese lol

it is up there as one of the most desired to learn languages i would say

or the people who watch the million japan food channels on youtube and all of a sudden wanna move there because they think it's perfect

[hoary sluice]

if you have the exact same learning material for japanese and for some random language that 20000 people speak then maybe japanese is harder but in reality you never have close to enough material to learn the rare language

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

[winged mantle]

rosie

[cinder egret]

there is so much learning material for japanese yeah

[cinder egret]

hiiii

[winged mantle]

i meanan other rosie

[hoary sluice]

even something like romanian is so much easier to learn than kazakh

[winged mantle]

wants to move to japan because of japan food channels

I should learn japanese to play games which only released for famicom

[hoary sluice]

Romanian grammar is pretty similar in difficulty to kazakh id say

both have a lot of extremely stupid rules

[cinder egret]

japanese just has such a large presence online that it is almost impossible to not at one point stumble upon the language in one way or another

[deep mulch]

rosie is ultra weeb

[hoary sluice]

have fun learning Kazakh without having gone to a kazakh school

[south moon]

amazing pr i made https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/3438

[hoary sluice]

wrong ❌

[valid jetty]

i dont watch food channels

[hoary sluice]

only duckduckgo

[valid jetty]

nor do i watch anime

[south moon]

startpage is great

[hoary sluice]

yet you know all the anime charactens

[valid jetty]

i couldnt name 99% of them lol

[hoary sluice]

i can name literally none

[valid jetty]

idk why you guys have this concept that i wanna go there because its some magical place, its just like anywhere else but safer, physically

[deep mulch]

nop

normal people dont switch every system and app language to yappanese

[hoary sluice]

safety cant be your only reason cause japan isnt the safest place

[valid jetty]

the best way to learn is to immerse, which means having it everywhere around you

[deep mulch]

everything ive seen theyre hostile to foreigners

[valid jetty]

it is safer than the uk

[hoary sluice]

so is literally everywhere else

[valid jetty]

idk what youve seen but that hasnt been true for a while lol

[hoary sluice]

besides maybe johannesburg

or something

[deep mulch]

Japan is overrated anyways

[valid jetty]

unless youre like, an idiot who blasts music on the train

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty go somewhere cool like Australia

[valid jetty]

bugs

[deep mulch]

eat

[valid jetty]

the uk, america, and most slavic countries are out of question

i dont wanna go to france because its france

[hoary sluice]

why slavic countries

[valid jetty]

idk about all slavic countries but at least in romania a lot of the people are orthodox christians so i assume its a similar thing in other countries

[hoary sluice]

so what

[deep mulch]

rosie thinks youll get shot anywhere in america

[valid jetty]

uhhhhhh

no

[hoary sluice]

hollywood blvd https://fixupx.com/rebootjays/status/1925545661874798957

‏۟ (@rebootjays)

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[valid jetty]

let me live with my decision

[hoary sluice]

whats the embed twitter

[valid jetty]

fxtwitter

[deep mulch]

twitter so bad

[hoary sluice]

whats wrong with orthodox christians

theyre not gonna kill you because youre not christian

[valid jetty]

they wont like my.. kind

[spark ridge]

❌ twitter
⭕ X

[valid jetty]

i have my motives

[hoary sluice]

??

[valid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/434113367938957315/1286443496118554686/caption.gif

[deep mulch]

I wanna move to Greenland, Scandaniva, Canada, Northeast/Northwest US when I can

[hoary sluice]

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty GUHHH just go live in india or something

[hoary sluice]

india is arguably worse than uk

[deep mulch]

it would be funny

[hoary sluice]

what do u do thats so crazy that christians will point and laugh in the street

is suicide an option

[deep mulch]

yes

[valid jetty]

so why would i rather go to india than japan

both are asian countries and ive already been studying japanese for over a year

[deep mulch]

become telemarketer

[hoary sluice]

i think it was a joke

[valid jetty]

i could tell after 😭

[deep mulch]

if i were to ever get serious about another language id learn spanish

way more useful

especially in the US

[valid jetty]

doesnt matter

all you need to know is that im not a weeb or whatever lol

i am perfectly aware japan is a country just like any other

[deep mulch]

id learn Spanish, French or German

[valid jetty]

when somebody asks you where you live

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty you

[valid jetty]

do you really wanna say "yes i live in fr*nce"

[hoary sluice]

nop

[deep mulch]

yop

[hoary sluice]

but i wouldn't mind saying "yes i live in poland"

[valid jetty]

which side

[hoary sluice]

or "yes i live in montenegro"

[valid jetty]

the femboy side or the chad alpha male side

[hoary sluice]

what

[valid jetty]

you know

the usual

[hoary sluice]

no i dont

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty@valid jetty@valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

been to poland many times never seen a femboy

[hoary sluice]

never been to lublin, dont remember seeing femboys in wroclaw

theres nothing u can be except american for which poles will laugh at u

[valid jetty]

or french

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hii

[hoary sluice]

no thats only a uk/usa thing

[valid jetty]

im rewatching reacher

season 3 came out in february and i didnt even realize

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hii

[valid jetty]

the things js devs need to mimic a fraction of get_or_insert_with

[winged mantle]

i have so many utils that i've basically reimeplmented lodash

[royal nymph]

there's little point of this util in js

[formal belfry]

vee

unblock me

please

[winged mantle]

i don't like writing multiple lines instead of one for this

i am doing it in quite a few places

main purpose is this

[royal nymph]

also you will hop on

class JavaMap<K, V> extends Map<K, V> {
    computeIfAbsent(key: K, factory: (key: K) => V) {
    }
}

[winged mantle]

awful

wait

i swear i once made something like that

[royal nymph]

the main point of that method in java is threadsafety

[royal nymph]

cause ^ this code would be unsafe in java

in js you don't have that problem

[winged mantle]

yeah but do you wanna write this boilerplate everywhere

[royal nymph]

imo not a use case that comes up often

[winged mantle]

i already have it in three places

[royal nymph]

also ummm your implementation is wrong

[winged mantle]

[formal belfry]

vee

what theme are u using

[royal nymph]

const map = new Map();
map.set("balls", undefined);

computeIfAbsent(map, "balls", () => "FAAAAAAKE");
console.log(map.get("balls")); // FAAAAAAKE

🥶

[winged mantle]

eh

[royal nymph]

you should use map.has

[winged mantle]

who cares

[formal belfry]

vee prosze odblokuj mnie chce tylko wiedzieć jaki motyw discord posiadasz

[formal belfry]

lc.translate

[royal nymph]

function computeIfAbsent() {
    if (!map.has(key)) {
        map.set(key, factory(key));
    }
    return map.get(key);
}

[visual shell]

-# <:i:1323844562875187291> Translated from 🇵🇱 Polish to 🇺🇸 English • Google Translate
vee please unblock me i just want to know what discord theme you have

[royal nymph]

you love

[winged mantle]

you need !

deja vu...

[royal nymph]

it could have undefined

well the type would reflect that

vban @formal belfry annoying

[elder yarrow]

Done!

Banned ogzek2686 (@hollow otter)

[frosty obsidian]

vban @royal nymph annoying

[elder yarrow]

Failed to ban vending.machine (@royal nymph): You can't ban that person!

[frosty obsidian]

why

[winged mantle]

but even if type does not have undefined it's gonna add it

[royal nymph]

yop true

[frosty obsidian]

i think venbot is broken

[winged mantle]

as TValue

[royal nymph]

imagine if ts added contracts

[valid jetty]

dont call it TValue for fucks sake

just call it Value

[winged mantle]

what is that

[valid jetty]

generics dont need to start with T

[royal nymph]

microsoft recommends that

[winged mantle]

sometimes names conflict thtat's why i prefix it

[royal nymph]

you wouldn't break microsoft style guide

[valid jetty]

constraints or assertions when calling functions

like a contract that specifies the foo function's n parameter must not be null

or whatever

[winged mantle]

type static_assert<V extends true> = never;

[valid jetty]

that can only form very basic contracts

[winged mantle]

do it c++ style

[valid jetty]

languages like c3 can have much more complex ones

[royal nymph]

contracts are basically like if [foo] then [bar]

[winged mantle]

ohh like

[royal nymph]

like a basic contract would be

map.get(key) != undefined => map.has(key) == true

[winged mantle]

ohh

ohhhhhhh

[royal nymph]

or ```
!map.has(key) -> map.get(key) == undefined

that's contracts

[winged mantle]

get<Key>(key: Key): this is Map & { get(k: Key): V }

[royal nymph]

it's called contract because it's essentially a "promise" you make

[valid jetty]

what

[royal nymph]

yes type assertions are actually contracts

[valid jetty]

oh i see

[winged mantle]

[royal nymph]

isSomeSpecificSubtype(): this is Subtype {
    return someCondition;
}

here the contract is someCondition -> this is Subtype

yop

[royal nymph]

with contracts you could infer that the final map.get(key) is not undefined (assuming the map type does not contain undefined)

[winged mantle]

i wanted to have a contract which was "if this returns false, the passed value is definitely not null"

but if it's true the type should stay the same

i don't think that's possible

if i do : this is null that's incorrect - it's correct that if it returns false it's not null, but if it returns true it could be null or not null

(the function was isEmpty)

(I think it's the same as lodash's lol)

(it just checks if something has any keys - an object with values, a non-empty string and a non-empty array all have them)

i distinctly remember you suggesting i use === undefined instead of has

i will just do this not to need cast

so if it's undefined it's deffo not present

[deep mulch]

@winged mantle