🪅-progaming

[median root]

ill use pascal case if i dont feel like reaching to the corners of my keyboard for the goddam underscore

[spark tiger]

lmao is it real

[hoary sluice]

yes

[spark tiger]

insane

[hoary sluice]

he actually shills linux now

might actually make a pretty big impact

110M subs

and the video is really good

its an r-a bug i think

ive had those and they usually just go away

or more likely you dont have option imported or something like 98 said

this isnt about casing

rust has an enum variant called None and rust-analyzer gets confused because its not snake case

but None is correct

[median root]

yeah i know

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

macro_rules! err {
    ($kind:expr, $location:expr) => {
        Err($crate::error::Error::new($kind, $location))
    };
    ($kind:expr, $location:expr, $help:expr) => {
        Err($crate::error::Error::with_help($kind, $location, $help))
    };
}

[valid jetty]

most necessary macro

[hoary sluice]

useful

[spark tiger]

why are errors such a pita in rust. like if during my method it can throw two different error types, how the hell do i even type it

like -> Result<T, ???>

[hoary sluice]

now im too incompetent to write a regex to replace all my non macro errors

[hoary sluice]

Result<T, Box<dyn Error>>

[spark tiger]

what's the magic here

like i get what dyn error is

but

why box

[hoary sluice]

idk

[spark tiger]

isnt box something related to heap/stack

[hoary sluice]

rustc: the size for values of type (dyn std::error::Error + 'static) cannot be known at compilation time
the trait Sized is not implemented for (dyn std::error::Error + 'static)

[fleet cedar]

enum ErrorsForThisFunc {
  Error1 { source: Error1, what: String }
  OpenFile { source: io::Error, path: PathBuf }
}

Or, yes, you can use a catchall error if you don't care

[spark tiger]

why does it say Ts instead of TypeScript lol

ts

[placid cape]

file extension

i'll fix it

https://github.com/xhyrom/zed-discord-presence/blob/b3135b7b88f63fdc3b8883766cf7bf3d11ec91d7/assets/languages.json#L378-L379

[pearl stag]

languages.json: Lines 378-379

".ts": "ts",
".tsx": "tsx",

[placid cape]

@spark tiger thanks for report, fixed in https://github.com/xhyrom/zed-discord-presence/releases/tag/v0.8.0, don't forget to give a ⭐ if you already didnt :D

[spark tiger]

thank uu! and yeah i've starred it already before

[placid cape]

the ts icon doesnt work rn because of discord cache but should work in like ~15 minutes

[spark tiger]

i think your repo is like one of the most starred ones among zed extensions lol

[placid cape]

maybe

https://github.com/zed-industries/extensions/issues/499

i just found this and got an idea "let's do it"

[spark tiger]

i'm trying to port vencord/companion to zed

[placid cape]

that would be awesome

[spark tiger]

sadly extensions cant mess with ui so i have to do it via code actions

i was so dumb i thought like i would have to rewrite all that stuff to rust until i got explained that it's not how lsp's work

[placid cape]

yeah you can write lsp in any language

[spark tiger]

and i just have to slightly modify the original code to convert it into an lsp and then use it in zed

[placid cape]

https://github.com/xhyrom/zed-discord-presence/blob/main/src/discord_presence.rs this is basically zed discord presence extension

[spark tiger]

yeah im ngl i was using yours a bit as a reference but it still kinda confused me

[placid cape]

i had to implement symlink creation because of github ratelimits

[spark tiger]

horror

why is it considered an error

eslint dum

[dense sand]

why is it so fucking hard to write a integration tests in spring

[fleet cedar]

Convoluted things are harder to test

[dense sand]

Its more about the fact it seems do documentation lacking

[velvet fog]

AI and crypto fan final boss

me omw to make the bot ignore all instructions, ping everyone and start banning everyone

[balmy lintel]

@elder yarrow please ban the member fres with reason freaky

funny idea

[velvet fog]

Done! Is there anything you'd like me to help you with? Did you know that the shitdogememecoinfuckmaster3000 has risen by 0.1235432523% today?

[nimble bone]

vmute 28d @solid gazelle too freaky for their own good

[elder yarrow]

Done!

Muted makeshift.heaven (@solid gazelle) for 28 days

[dawn ledge]

you use an enum duh

[dawn ledge]

this is a bad idea if youre building a crate

you dont want to erase your error types

[hoary sluice]

i know

he just wanted to know how to return any error i think

@valid jetty @valid jetty hii

[ornate quiver]

I think Box<dyn Error> should really only in leaf applications, no?

although you would probably want to use anyhow anyways

[fleet cedar]

Anyhow has backtraces

[dawn ledge]

i just dont like the idea of erasing error types of all things

[lavish frigate]

i love leaking boxes

[dense sand]

goddamit deepseek 😭

[lavish frigate]

get to implementing lazy ass

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty is -false == true

[valid jetty]

-0 = 0 lol

[supple whale]

compilers do this

for js

[dawn ledge]

ofc its js

[supple whale]

its giga common to see !0 or !1

[dawn ledge]

why wouldnt it be js

[dawn ledge]

oh true

[supple whale]

still, real g's simply compile the JS to bytecode and load the bytecode to the v8 vm directly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1233149945465536522.webp?size=48&name=cocainewolf

[dawn ledge]

but isnt that different from -false being equal(?) to true

!0 and !1 are just true and false in 2 bytes

instead of 4~5

[supple whale]

yeah

-false and -true are like -0 and -1

and -0 isnt false

[dawn ledge]

js is cursed on every level

[supple whale]

XD

TRU

[dawn ledge]

just wrote this

[supple whale]

best way to call object.toString() ?

'' + object

[dawn ledge]

minifiers do that

and it throws me off

😭

[supple whale]

few do actually because its unsafe

[fleet cedar]

I prefer readable code, myself

[supple whale]

i need to try oxlint, because my eslint is blowing up

shit takes too long for my project now

[dawn ledge]

biome is nice

[supple whale]

not strict enough doe

[dawn ledge]

if you ignore some bullshit default lints

[supple whale]

it doesnt have many of the rules i want

i have like 1050 lines of eslint rules in my project

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[dawn ledge]

i rarely use the sequence expression myself, i too prefer readability
its just that, do i want to write an entire if statement for this?

[supple whale]

but thats mainly because i use eslint as linting, safety checking, call checking, type checking, and formatting

since i simply dont like 10 tools doing 1 thing

[fleet cedar]

Yes

[dawn ledge]

alright fine

js is the only language i codegolf in

[fleet cedar]

Python is great for golfing

[hazy pine]

..what

[dawn ledge]

whats the best way to yeet a directory out of existence in nodejs

rmdir?

rimraf?

fs-extra?

[hazy pine]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/rmdir (/j)

[shrewd canopy]

rmdir

[shrewd canopy]

Last publish: 9 years ago

[hazy pine]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/removedir, 6 years ago

i dont even know how you're supposed to use this, it doesnt export anything lmao

[placid cape]

what

doesnt make any sense

[hazy pine]

hold on wouldnt like

1-false = true

[royal nymph]

no 😭

[placid cape]

this makes sense

false is 0

[hazy pine]

!!(1-false)

reverse minify

[placid cape]

if we interpreter booleans as 0 and 1

[royal nymph]

fs.rm(path, { recursive: true, force: true })```

please do not use insane libraries for this 😭

[placid cape]

no npm?????????

[hazy pine]

i am now realizing i did not make it obvious enough that it was a joke

[spark tiger]

after a month i finally made wakatime in zed work...

this is so fucking annoying

[placid cape]

there's an extension for it

[spark tiger]

ikk but it was broken on windows

[placid cape]

you can make pr

[spark tiger]

yeah im going to

[placid cape]

i'm happy that discord presence works on windows though :D

[spark tiger]

argh https://github.com/bytecodealliance/wasmtime/issues/10415

[placid cape]

oh it's this shit

[spark tiger]

yeah

[hoary sluice]

wtf does any of that mean

[spark tiger]

one of the zed maints opened this issue but doesn't seem to have changed anything so

[hoary sluice]

or should -false be valid at all

[dawn ledge]

thanks
finally something that sint npm brainrot

[hoary sluice]

as all things should be

[spark tiger]

tell it to ms

[hoary sluice]

just dont use windows

even pewdiepie uses linux

[spark tiger]

I SAID IT ALREADY IM BROKE I CANT AFFORD A MAC

[hoary sluice]

you dont need a mac to use linux

[spark tiger]

i need a mac to use macos. i had bad times with linux

[hoary sluice]

nop you didnt

!

[hazy pine]

when was the last time you've tried linux

[placid cape]

if you choose correct distribution

then everything is okay

i have void linux for more than a year

and it's amazing

[spark tiger]

a bit less than a year ago

[hoary sluice]

linux was meh to use for someone who isnt dedicate to it back in like 2020

[spark tiger]

it was mint

[hoary sluice]

gets better every year

[placid cape]

yeah

[hoary sluice]

mint works

[placid cape]

linux > windows

[spark tiger]

also i tried booting into an ubuntu usb flash a month ago and my wifi just didnt work lol

[hazy pine]

try again

[hoary sluice]

well you need to set it up

[placid cape]

i also started reinstalling my friends' computers to have linux instead of windows :P

[spark tiger]

my classmate decided to move to linux and chose ||kali||

[hoary sluice]

me and my friends are bandwagoning each other

[hazy pine]

linux isnt perfect by any mean and it has so many flaws but i would never go back to windows

[spark tiger]

but what about gaming

valoranto

genshin impacto

[placid cape]

i remember that bluetooth just stopped working on windows and after booting into ubuntu and back to windows it worked again

[hazy pine]

havent had an issues

[placid cape]

windows skill issue

[placid cape]

easyanticheat - spyware

[hoary sluice]

in ~2021 we were all on windows, then i installed ubuntu, they installed ubuntu/mint, i installed arch, they installed arch, then my friend got nixos and we all switched to nixos

[placid cape]

:D

we have void linux

[hoary sluice]

dual boot kernel ac games

[hazy pine]

if you play good games then you wont have gaming issues on linux

[hoary sluice]

or dont play furry games

[placid cape]

but nixos is amazing because of their configuration

[hoary sluice]

exactl

y

[spark tiger]

okay okay then what distro do i choose

[hoary sluice]

i used void linux for a bit but missed the aur

[placid cape]

the fact you can just easily reproduce the machine state is amazing

[hoary sluice]

its like completely irrelevant for a beginner

[spark tiger]

i can probably just like use linux for coding and windows for everything else

[placid cape]

yeah i solved that by creating my own package repo, it's a bit of work, but it was worth it

[hoary sluice]

yop

its kinda hard to use at first

[placid cape]

everything is hard if you're working with it for the first time

[hoary sluice]

2 second boot times are awesome but the only reason i used arch over anything else was because of the aur and the reason i even considered using nix is because it has nixpkgs

[placid cape]

yeah aur is really good

[hoary sluice]

nixpkgs is better 😄

[spark tiger]

WHY

[placid cape]

on arch you can install things easier than on windows lol

[hazy pine]

actually like just today i was watching pewdiepies video and i saw him do systemd-analyze and instantly went to see if i could improve my boot times

[spark tiger]

how do i do it then

[hoary sluice]

this is why all software needs to be written only for linux and maybe for mac

[hazy pine]

went from like 1:30 to 17s

[placid cape]

cool

void uses runit

[hoary sluice]

and if its server software for bsd too

[placid cape]

systemd has a lot of unnecessary stuff

[spark tiger]

no fr like how do i do that

[hoary sluice]

1:30 boot????

do you have an hdd from 1843

[spark tiger]

how do i use cfg with expression

[hazy pine]

yes.

[hoary sluice]

idk

[placid cape]

you dont unless you have nightly rust

just create function

[hazy pine]

i had a bunch of services that shouldnt have been enabled but were so it was running at boot

[placid cape]

like i did in zed discord presence

[hoary sluice]

i explicitly stated in the requirements of my diploma thesis that windows support was not planned

[spark tiger]

ah k

[placid cape]

https://github.com/xhyrom/zed-discord-presence/blob/200ae73131a098516025e4fd5269d8c8cb6144f6/src/discord_presence.rs#L27-L43

[pearl stag]

discord_presence.rs: Lines 27-43

#[cfg(unix)]
fn create_symlink(src: &str, dst: &str) -> std::io::Result<()> {
    std::os::unix::fs::symlink(src, dst)
}

#[cfg(windows)]
fn create_symlink(src: &str, dst: &str) -> std::io::Result<()> {
    std::os::windows::fs::symlink_file(src, dst).or_else(|_| {
        fs::copy(src, dst)?;
        Ok(())
    })
}

#[cfg(not(any(unix, windows)))]
fn create_symlink(_src: &str, _dst: &str) -> std::io::Result<()> {
    fs::soft_link(_src, _dst)
}

[hazy pine]

and systemd had some issues with journal that was horrible with my hdd from 1843

[placid cape]

hi rosieee

[valid jetty]

if cfg!()

[hoary sluice]

lol

[hazy pine]

explode.

[spark tiger]

tysm

[placid cape]

how did you get that?

[hoary sluice]

ok so basically i need to remove my screen

[placid cape]

this is from 2014 lol

[hoary sluice]

and my firewall and my internet

[hoary sluice]

idk on runit

i did systemd-analyze

[placid cape]

oh okay

[hoary sluice]

but you dont need it anyways

void has almost instant boot

like it boots before you can sit down

[placid cape]

yea

[dawn ledge]

you can turn this into an if i guess

[placid cape]

i wonder if i should use alpine or void for rpi

what do you think?

[dawn ledge]

is wakatime_cli variable only available on windows?

[hazy pine]

uhmm

[placid cape]

alpine is probably more lightweight with busybox and musl

[hoary sluice]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bootchart#Bootchart2

[spark tiger]

ended up using it like that. also no, i just need to use trim_start_matches only if it's on windows

[hoary sluice]

or you can make a service that calls uptime

[hoary sluice]

alpine is the docker os idk if its actually that good for desktop use

[spark tiger]

what wrong

[placid cape]

i want it for raspberry for the voice assistant

[dawn ledge]

how does that compile without let being mut ?_?

[hoary sluice]

i put it on my raspberry too

how are you accidentally copying everything i do

[placid cape]

i read your diploma

and alpine is lightweight

[spark tiger]

oh it doesn't ur right

[placid cape]

and probably easier to install on rpi than void

[hoary sluice]

did u actually lol

[placid cape]

yea

[spark tiger]

13s long build for a 300loc file

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice opinions on

for i in [1, 2, 3] {
    $dbg(i);
}

for [1, 2, 3] {
    $dbg(it);
}
```???

[hoary sluice]

it has a welcome message that shows the install script and running the install script doesn't remove the welcome msg so i was confused for a while

[placid cape]

oh xdd

[hoary sluice]

https://kotlinlang.org

[placid cape]

first one is good second one pls no

kotlin has it everywhere, you dont

[valid jetty]

it would be funny tho

[placid cape]

yea but you dont want to end up like javascript

implement with 😍😍

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/with

[dawn ledge]

with is a cursed feature in js

[hoary sluice]

i did that in the original icps and it only caused horror

[placid cape]

with ([1, 2, 3]) {
  console.log(toString()); // 1,2,3
}

[hoary sluice]

for 0..10
log i

[placid cape]

🔥

[hoary sluice]

guess what kotlin has this too

[placid cape]

what????

[hazy pine]

wtf i hate this

[placid cape]

yeah it's horrible

[hoary sluice]

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/scope-functions.html#with

[valid jetty]

jai has this feature its cool

[placid cape]

with (Math) {
  console.log(PI)
}

[valid jetty]

or well not quite like that

[placid cape]

cool?

[placid cape]

i would never use it

[valid jetty]

its more like

struct Foo { i32 x; };

fn Foo::bar(@scope Foo self) {
    return x;
}
``` this

this isnt jai syntax

but you get the idea

[placid cape]

yea

[placid cape]

in this case it's like in java

[spark tiger]

[placid cape]

you can use this. but you dont have to

[spark tiger]

C:/C:/

[placid cape]

but JS took it into another level

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty is this or https://github.com/eagely/icypeas/commit/31f3885ca58a159cf6a4c6fad76934eb86221870

[placid cape]

i know you didnt ask me but i like it more

[hoary sluice]

it just reduces the amount of code i need to write

[placid cape]

yea

[hoary sluice]

and i think its more readable

[dawn ledge]

ellefication of icypeas

[hoary sluice]

tho maybe not very idiomatic

[hoary sluice]

sheafification of g

[placid cape]

start using crust

[dawn ledge]

you could totally do this without a macro

[hoary sluice]

why did i read that as c-rust and not as crust i feel like i shouldve read it as crust first

[placid cape]

well it tries to be like c

so

[hoary sluice]

i want there to be no difference between Error::new and Error::with_help because i frequently change between them

maybe i realize i need to add help or i realize the help is useless

also @fleet cedar @valid jetty is there a way to make trailing commas work in macros

[dawn ledge]

yes

you add a $(,)?

[hoary sluice]

ty

[dawn ledge]

($kind:expr, $location:expr $(,)?) => {

etc

[hoary sluice]

($kind:expr, $location:expr $(,)?) => {

ok

how did you do that faster than me when i have it open in zed

[spark tiger]

wakatime site is so random cuz like why does it have a fucking twitter follow button

[hoary sluice]

oh this is so husk

i wanna make the trailing comma forced but a trailing comma on a single line is husk

[runic charm]

this works well w/ claude too

[hoary sluice]

(y $ (x $ y)) 1 2

boolean false with my lambdas

i think

or no thats true

[solemn ravine]

using rust in my swift project 💪

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice @placid cape hii

i dont like that you have to do --

but i see no other way

[hoary sluice]

why the --

isnt that only needed when the args are prefixed with -- and u want them literally

[valid jetty]

because the command is parsed as /usr/bin/env ellec --hush --run ./examples/exec.le -- foo bar baz

[valid jetty]

no

in compilers you use -- when you wanna denote "these args should be passed to the executable, not the compiler" (at least when theres a --run mode like this)

lookie

[dawn ledge]

you finally got shebangs

[fleet cedar]

Add --husk flag

[dawn ledge]

you might need to update your treesitter grammar

[placid cape]

yey

elle for scripting? 🔥

[valid jetty]

true hmm

yeah

[valid jetty]

yeah i just made #! be treated as a comment lol

[valid jetty]

will add

but yeah with shebangs i also added the --run flag

you can now do ellec foo.le --run -- foo bar baz

it is the most BASIC run flag ever but whatever

if let EmitKind::Executable(path) = out {
    if run {
        let exec = Path::new(&path).to_path_buf();
        let with_slash = Path::new(".").join(&exec);

        Command::new(&if exec.components().count() > 1 {
            exec
        } else {
            with_slash
        })
        .args(exec_args)
        .stdin(Stdio::inherit())
        .stdout(Stdio::inherit())
        .stderr(Stdio::inherit())
        .output()
        .unwrap_or_else(|err| {
            panic!(
                "{}Failed to execute {path}: {err}{}",
                get_RED!(),
                get_RESET!()
            )
        });

        remove_file(&path).unwrap_or_else(|err| {
            panic!(
                "{}Failed to delete file {path}: {err}{}",
                get_RED!(),
                get_RESET!()
            )
        })
    }
}

[dawn ledge]

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge which way should it be

--release, -R
--run, -r

--release, -r
--run, -x

--release, -r
--run, -u

[dawn ledge]

-e

[valid jetty]

for what

[dawn ledge]

run

[valid jetty]

hmmmm ok

[hoary sluice]

"I have a proof, but it is too large to fit in the margin, so it is left as an excercise to the reader." - Pierre de Fermat, 1637

[dawn ledge]

i say that because stuff like terminal emulators do this https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/blob/a0c4dfe962fdb0ee00b85de1cd2af16a0e8e2e9e/alacritty/src/cli.rs#L167-L168

[pearl stag]

cli.rs: Lines 167-168

#[clap(short = 'e', long, allow_hyphen_values = true, num_args = 1..)]
command: Vec<String>,

[dawn ledge]

athough its completely irrelevant to elle

[valid jetty]

i added this too

[dawn ledge]

you can also just force it to be --run <path> <args...> and avoid the --

ellec --hush --run ./main.le foo bar

:3

[valid jetty]

hmmm not a bad idea

[hoary sluice]

shouldnt ellec be only the compiler

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780597317355044865/1365781219890954272/chicken_jockey.mp4?ex=680fdfe1&is=680e8e61&hm=90e3d188c256b506602752c4eead03d7990cfa61e81361767eb8019feed99082&

[valid jetty]

it already has lsp functionality built in

whats a 40 line flag gonna do

[hoary sluice]

what

i mean make ellec only compile and elle do stuff like running

[valid jetty]

i know yeah, but ellec just does everything all at once atm including lsp stuff

[frosty obsidian]

elle sp

[valid jetty]

elle stack pointer

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice does kotlin have x ?: y

equivalent to x ? x : y

[hoary sluice]

elvis operator

oh its called that everywhere

yes it has an elvis operator

[valid jetty]

ok cool

[hoary sluice]

specifically ?:

but no ternaries lol

[valid jetty]

.......................what

thats

horrible

[hoary sluice]

if (x) x else y

[valid jetty]

wait but ?: is a token?

[hoary sluice]

yes

[valid jetty]

reminds me of php doing casts HORROR

[hoary sluice]

nvm its if (x != null) x else y because kotlin doesnt cast

[valid jetty]

in (int)xin php, (int) is a whole token, and int is not actually a type

adding partial implementations of operators is so cursed imo

[hoary sluice]

why

?: is the elvis operator, it is not an empty ternary

they couldve picked ζ as the token

[valid jetty]

it is semantically tho

[hoary sluice]

no

well idk

semantically it means
x?

no?

ok do:

y

[valid jetty]

i see it was a shorthand for x ? x : y

its a common pattern to just want if x is truthy { x } else { y }

i made shebangs think theyre comments

[hoary sluice]

its only for x == null i think

[hoary sluice]

lool

just use # for comments

oh wait

[valid jetty]

i mean to be completely fair lol

[hoary sluice]

im prob gonna use -- for comments in order to allow # and // to be used in the lang

[valid jetty]

shebangs are also lexed as comments

in the compiler

[hoary sluice]

only on line 1?

[valid jetty]

but it’s specifically #! that’s interpreted as a comment not #

no i thought it would be funnier if i allow it everywhere

#! is a new comment now

[hoary sluice]

just say you were too lazy to make it first line only

can u make an lsp execute code inline

i think the haskell one does that right

u can call a function with a hotkey

since its pure functional

[valid jetty]

making it first line only is like 1 line of code

i just didn’t want to

“!” if row == 1 => instead of “!” => or whatever for matching it

[hoary sluice]

whats --hush

[valid jetty]

doesn’t print whether the file was compiled successfully or not

[hoary sluice]

thats 7 charachters of effort

[valid jetty]

basically like —quiet or —silent

[hoary sluice]

why hush and not quiet

[valid jetty]

i made it both —silent and —hush

i just got used to —hush

[spark tiger]

unbelievable. wireguard devs confused l10n with i18n 💔

[hoary sluice]

those acronyms are stupid just call it internationalization

[valid jetty]

😭😭😭😭

[hoary sluice]

or smth like intnat

not fucking i18n

[valid jetty]

a11y and i18n my beloved

[hoary sluice]

a11y is so husk

[valid jetty]

LMAO

[hoary sluice]

i love doing accessibility but if someone asks me to improve the a11y i am not doing it

[valid jetty]

my fav form of a11y is when the code works on my machine with my preferred configuration

and that’s the whole a11y

[hoary sluice]

yop

when elle on nixos

[valid jetty]

never

n*xos

[hoary sluice]

just you wait

[spark tiger]

just tried cloning a repo with like 20-30 submodules. spent 20 minutes trying to fix it

[hoary sluice]

in ~4 months you will be shilling and glazing nixos

[valid jetty]

the neferious —recursive flag

[spark tiger]

yeah that didnt work either

[valid jetty]

wha

[spark tiger]

i think the devs just broke it

can yall check it if its just me

[valid jetty]

are they like vendor sub modules cloned by the build script instead of git submodules or something lmfaooo

[valid jetty]

idkkk i kinda doubt it

[spark tiger]

do git clone https://github.com/pia-foss/desktop-dep-build && git submodule update --init --recursive (yes ik u can just --recursive in git clone but i think it doesnt show errors the same way git submodule does)

[lucid trail]

what am i supposed to be seeing, i cloned it

got a .git is not a submodule but nothing other than that

[spark tiger]

did it update all submodules

[lucid trail]

No url found for submodule path 'components/hnsd/openssl', is that what you got?

[spark tiger]

yep

[lavish cloud]

is there something similar to pgvector that can run locally on an android device?

[winged mantle]

i have become a monster

[valid jetty]

yay

@hoary sluice best rust feature

[spark tiger]

wait what feature

also what is @

[valid jetty]

that is the feature

you can match something while also capturing the thing you matched as a variable

[spark tiger]

isn’t it like if let Err(e) = something

[valid jetty]

slays

[valid jetty]

yeah wtf

thats just cursed

[valid jetty]

no its not equivalent

e@Err(_) captures the whole Err while Err(e) will capture just the inner part

[spark tiger]

ah ic

yeah this is useful sometimes

[dawn ledge]

its called an identifier pattern

[spark tiger]

thanks but i don’t think i’ll remember it lol

i still don’t know what |v| pattern is called

[dawn ledge]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/patterns.html#identifier-patterns

[dawn ledge]

?

are you referring to closures?

[spark tiger]

like that thing you use in map

[dawn ledge]

yeah its called a closure, its bascially like an arrow function in js

or a lambda in python

[valid jetty]

|v| v * 2 ===== (v) => v * 2

[spark tiger]

yeah ik i just never knew what its name was

like in python it’s lambda, in csharp it’s.. something else

[valid jetty]

its just (x) => x*2

[spark tiger]

no i mean the naming

my discord on phone is literally dying 😭

[dawn ledge]

when does discord not

literally slopware

[valid jetty]

theyre all called lambdas

the general word for it is a lambda

its all called lambdas

[dawn ledge]

yeah but in rust terminology its a closure :^)

[valid jetty]

well its still a lambda lol

[dawn ledge]

math lovers and their obsession with greek

[valid jetty]

yessss

[spark tiger]

yeah but i haven’t really seen any rustacean calling it lambda
they are different

[dawn ledge]

rewrite the bible in greek

[valid jetty]

i guess so

technically lambdas are closures tho

otherwise you wouldnt be able to do currying

[dawn ledge]

technically you are not human

[valid jetty]

husk

[dawn ledge]

give me 500 reasons why youre human

[leaden crater]

rosieeeee

[valid jetty]

if lambdas didnt capture then you could not do |x| |y| x + y

[spark tiger]

i wonder how many other patterns rust has i didn’t know about

[leaden crater]

today's color is durian husk

[dawn ledge]

rust reference is a great place to explore https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/

they have ast definitions

[valid jetty]

[dawn ledge]

currying is only pretty when your language doesnt use () for calls

[spark tiger]

i don’t wanna spoil it yet cuz i haven’t read the rust book yet 😊

[royal nymph]

how do you find something in your own code without knowing what it does

did bro vibecode

[formal belfry]

level 5 vibe coder

[formal belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96qx7cucOg

the year of the linux desktop

[lavish cloud]

@royal nymph how to andoot pls

[ornate quiver]

lol i still find async closures vs async blocks confusing
async move || async move || async move || async move { }

[formal belfry]

@nimble bone @ornate quiver rate

[dawn ledge]

damn

goes hard

love it

no light mode tho: (

really like the 88x31 effect

[formal belfry]

i'll implement it soon, dw :3

tyy

[formal belfry]

light mode

[hoary sluice]

late!!

[spark tiger]

wdym 😭

[shell crag]

woah

very nice

[spark tiger]

how do they want me to do it
or does #[cfg(…)] support being uh inside a method call

[formal belfry]

tyy

[meager solstice]

I just made a random picture and noticed a logo on a car. This logo looks extremely familiar to the colored Git logo.. 😭

[placid cape]

Microsoft

[hoary sluice]

what does this do

is x IntegerLiteral?

[dawn ledge]

TokenKind::IntegerLiteral

[hoary sluice]

x is the value of the thing that got matched right

[dawn ledge]

yes

[hoary sluice]

why is it useful here

[dawn ledge]

because you want to use it???

duh

[hoary sluice]

is this a new rust feature or why am i seeing so much @ lately

[dawn ledge]

its not new

[hoary sluice]

ok no its at least 3.5 years old

[ornate quiver]

love

[formal belfry]

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty someone solved the 5th busy beaver??????

i thought it was only known until 4

https://youtu.be/rmx3FBPzDuk

[formal belfry]

wtf is a busy beaver

[hoary sluice]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver

[signal oak]

The busy beaver problem asks, for a Turing machine with a given number of states, what is the maximum number of 1s it can write on an initially blank tape before halting, and what is the maximum number of steps it can take before halting.

[hoary sluice]

basically just the halting problem

@valid jetty solve 6th bb in elle

(the collatz conjecture is a 6 rule turing machine so you have to solve that first)

[dense sand]

Unknown words

[dawn ledge]

eagely and rosie are math nerds

[valid jetty]

i’m done

1 sec let me upload the source code but it might take a second

[fleet cedar]

It's 4, right?

[valid jetty]

i was typing at 192210 wpm for the last 23 mins soo

might take a sec

[valid jetty]

close !!

[hoary sluice]

considering you can have empty rules or unused rules, it has to be at least BB(5) which is ~47 million

[dawn ledge]

been more than a second

[jade stone]

@hoary sluice what’s bb 64

[dawn ledge]

man do i wish i could embed images and do syntax highlighting in plaintext
i dont wanna write my readmes in markdown

because plaintext ones are displayed in monospace

[hoary sluice]

anything above 5 can probably never be solved unless P=NP

you have to solve the collatz conjecture for 6

[valid jetty]

i’ve seen something that does that before

i don’t remember where

[hoary sluice]

and probably a lot of others

[valid jetty]

they run a github ci which automatically compiles the typst document into a pdf, and you can embed pdfs in readmes

[jade stone]

Is that the funny looping one

[hoary sluice]

yop

[jade stone]

Insane

You will do it in a weekend

[hoary sluice]

and every other conjecture that fits in a 6 rule turing machine

[hoary sluice]

solving Riemann hypothesis using lambda calculus first

[dawn ledge]

this busy beaver and collatz conjecture you speak of is interesting but unfortunately im math illiterate

[hoary sluice]

theres an infinitely recursive lambda calculus function that finds all fixed points of the riemann zeta function

[hoary sluice]

do u know what a turing machine is

[dawn ledge]

and now those are random words

[valid jetty]

😭😭

[jade stone]

These are all words I’ve only ever heard on YouTube videos

[valid jetty]

how do you do computer science and don’t know what a turing machine is

plsss watch like 3 youtube videos on it from the big educational channels

[dawn ledge]

yes and no
i have never looked up the formal definition
but i know that if x is turing complete i can do evrything i want with it

[dawn ledge]

how do you live without knowing the meaning of life

[valid jetty]

something that’s turing complete has memory, iteration, and condition

typically

it’s not the formal definition

but 99% of the time something which has variables loops and conditionals is turing complete

[dawn ledge]

as i said i dont know the formal definition
i just know a turing machine outlines some sets of operations that a modern computational device should be able to perform or something

i dont know a suprising amout of things
i dont have a formal cs education

[hoary sluice]

• infinitely long 1d array "tape" of 0s
• a cursor on position 0
• a set of rules, each rule stating what to do if the current cursor position is 0 and what to do if its 1
• rules say the value to write, the direction to move and the next rule to choose
• rules can just say HALT
• everything thats computable can be computed by a turing machine
• the busy beaver is the turing machine with N rules that writes the most 1s before halting, an infinite loop cant be a busy beaver
• busy beaver up to and including 5 rules is solved
• the collatz conjecture is an unsolved NP-hard hypothesis that can be represented as a 6 rule turing machine, therefore busy beaver of 6 requires solving it

[valid jetty]

neither do i

[dawn ledge]

i get the gist of it now ig

[valid jetty]

basically if you know brainfuck, that’s a direct representation of a turing machine as a programming language

[dawn ledge]

i do know brainfuck yes

at one point i was about to write a bf compiler in rust

[valid jetty]

i wrote an interpreter in elle in like 70 lines xd

[hoary sluice]

thats actually like 10 lines

all tokens are exactly 1 char long

so theres no lexes

lexer

and the language is fully imperative so you can just follow what it does

[valid jetty]

^^^ other than loops

[hoary sluice]

loops are just while in rust

ig thats a few lines extra

[valid jetty]

also they said compiler

you have to generate ir or asm

[hoary sluice]

then its even easier

you can just .replace with asm instructions

[valid jetty]

i mean yeah but you also need to add the prologue and epilogue right

[hoary sluice]

still 1 line of string concatenation

and manipulation

no logic

[valid jetty]

true

write it !!

[hoary sluice]

if i get my sway to work

ok it works

should i write it in icypeas

i have no io and no string manip so id have to represent it with function calls

[valid jetty]

..can you

oh

[hoary sluice]

well its turing complete

its lambda cald

calc

and binops

[valid jetty]

true but i didn’t realize you finished it lol

or not finished, but finished enough to make it turing complete

[hoary sluice]

well its not even close to finished but i have a working lambda calculus, binary operators, unary operators, and literals

[valid jetty]

monads when

[hoary sluice]

selectFirst s = f
churchTrue f = selectFirst

selectSecond s = s
churchFalse f = selectSecond

churchTrue 1 2
churchFalse 1 2

addTwice1 s = f + s + s
addTwice f = addTwice1

addTwice 1 10

1 == 1
3 + 4
10 - 5
2 * 3
20 / 4
20 % 3
2 ** 3
5 & 3
5 | 3
5 ^ 3
7 == 7
7 != 8
3 < 10
10 <= 10
15 > 5
15 >= 15

(y $ (x $ y)) 1 2
(x $ x+2) 1 

last 2 lines dont work yet

theyre inline lambdas

and i didnt add test cases for unary ops

but they work

even --7 is valid as long as you do -(-7)

[valid jetty]

if you implement functors you can implement applicative and alternative and so much more

[valid jetty]

yeah elle has the same actually xd

[hoary sluice]

priority list rn is:
inline lambdas
clean up the codebase (identifiers should use a string + location struct, rn they use Token which is an enum of all token kinds and values, error handling should be improved and i need to set up clippy with max checks)
basic io
either type system or lists

[valid jetty]

but that’s only because i interpret -- as the decrement op and throw a lex error

[hoary sluice]

nope i interpret --7 as (-(-)) 7

and (-(-)) is only a function in real lambda calc

- isnt a function for me

[valid jetty]

imo idents are fine as tokens as long as you make a function to extract the string value easily

[hoary sluice]

i did that

but its still meh

let name: String = name.get_identifier_name().ok_or(Error::with_help(
    ErrorKind::InvalidToken,
    expression.location.clone(),
    "Function name must be an identifier",
))?;

instead of just using the name right away

or at least name.name

cause it also has location

[valid jetty]

maybe one that just gives you the string with no context and panics if there’s no string

[hoary sluice]

why is it annotated lol

i think thats copilot slop

[valid jetty]

what

oh

[hoary sluice]

name: String

[hoary sluice]

i dont wanna ever panic even if its never a panic

[valid jetty]

lmao i thought you made get_identifier_name return an impl Into<String> or something and set : String so it calls into automatically 😭

[hoary sluice]

pub fn get_identifier_name(&self) -> Option<String> {
    if let TokenValue::Identifier(name) = &self.value {
        Some(name.to_string())
    } else {
        None
    }
}

returning impl into string is husk afaik

[valid jetty]

someone should make an option! macro which takes a pattern like in matches! but takes the value out and creates an option out of it

[hoary sluice]

what

[valid jetty]

i can make that actually

[hoary sluice]

you mean if it matches its some if it doesnt its none?

[fleet cedar]

I often make a cooler_matches!(&self.value, TokenValue::Identifier(name) => name.to_string()) that does that

[hoary sluice]

you mean just if let in a macro?

if let with matches! syntax?

[valid jetty]

yeah its pretty easy

#![allow(dead_code)]
enum Foo {
    A(String),
    B(i32)
}

macro_rules! option_map {
    ($enum:expr, $variant:pat => $map:expr) => {
        if let $variant = $enum {
            Some($map)
        } else {
            None
        }
    }
}

fn main() {
    let x = Foo::A("hello world".into());
    dbg!(option_map!(x, Foo::A(x) => x.len()));
}

[hoary sluice]

oh thats cool

[valid jetty]

in your case its what 九八 sent

[valid jetty]

i mean they are chinese characters technically

they just mean 98 tho

theyre read kyuu hachi

in jp

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i vibe coded a bf compiler

[valid jetty]

vibe coding compilers

[hoary sluice]

idk why it did i386

idk the asm lore

apparently bf types are 30kB

tapes**

[valid jetty]

yeah they are

whenever i see a bf interpreter in C they just have a static array of 30,000 chars

[placid cape]

sad

[hoary sluice]

this is a compiler tho

[valid jetty]

doesnt matter its just allocating 30000 bytes in the assembly, a bf compiler is just a program that generates a bf interpreter

[hoary sluice]

oh yeah

like i said i vibe coded this so i didnt actually check

println!("section .bss\ntape resb 30000\n");

[valid jetty]

lmaooo

[spark tiger]

what do i do

do i use like gh actions or is there some other stuff for building

[formal belfry]

whats that

[spark tiger]

a c++ app

that i want to build for all targets

but i can’t

[formal belfry]

wheyre

[spark tiger]

https://github.com/pia-foss/desktop

[formal belfry]

https://github.com/pia-foss/desktop/releases/tag/3.6.1

[hoary sluice]

whats wrong with cross compilation

[spark tiger]

i need to build it myself

[spark tiger]

?

me when dependencies are exes

[fleet cedar]

Only that some toolchains (such as c++) make it really hard

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty fucking kill me

i spent so much time thinking about how to implement lambdas in interpreter

yesterday

[formal belfry]

why

[hoary sluice]

ok it was like 5 minutes

but i couldnt figure it out

ExpressionKind::Lambda { parameter, body } => Ok(Value::Function { parameter, body }),

its literally this

[spark tiger]

wdym why
because i’m making a fork and want it to have executables for all targets

[hoary sluice]

idk why i even made lambda its own type

i guess i planned to put the name of the function inside the Value value

[placid cape]

gh actions

easiest

[spark tiger]

yeah but i’m afraid i’m gonna hit the limit

[placid cape]

its free for public repos

[hoary sluice]

oh yea functions do have their name included but in expressionkind not in value

[spark tiger]

yeah but i think it has time limit or something

like if an action takes too long it just stops

[placid cape]

💀

[placid cape]

it doesnt

or maybe it has

but im sure that running it for 12h is still fine

[formal belfry]

lmao

idk why they added that

so stupid

[placid cape]

but im fine :D

discount

[formal belfry]

microslop

aids

[hoary sluice]

ok now if you have lambda calculus with parentheses instead of λ and $ instead of . its valid icypeas

untyped single arg

[spark tiger]

i have a great idea. what if lambda functions used λ syntax instead of whatever they use now

[formal belfry]

what did they do to reactions

this shit does not look normal

[spark tiger]

vec.map(convert(λ))

[hoary sluice]

boy do i have a surprise for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus

python is the closest it gets to lambda functions

lambda x: x * x
λx.x*x

[spark tiger]

oh i thought functions were called lambda for no reason

or like a half life reference

how could i know its some math thing

[ionic lake]

how do u think of lambda calc as a half life reference

[hoary sluice]

its one of the foundations of computer science

[ionic lake]

you are too valve-pilled just like me

[runic charm]

the logo

[hoary sluice]

[ionic lake]

yes but they dont know lambda calc

[hoary sluice]

Theres the Turing Machine by Alan Turing, Lambda Calculus by Alonzo Church, and Combinatory Logic by Moses Schönfinkel and Haskell Curry, all 3 of which are complete systems that can compute any computable function

its not really math

[fleet cedar]

It is very much math

[ionic lake]

i love me some haskell curry

favorite meal

[hoary sluice]

id say it split off from math and became computer science

altho lambda calc is literally just algebra

[valid jetty]

but are they capturing

[spark tiger]

okay i was jk but at one point i did in fact thing all lambda uses were a half life reference 😭

[valid jetty]

i think im finally ready to make capturing lambdas in elle

[spark tiger]

wtf is any of that

[fleet cedar]

The greek alphabet is a hl reference

[signal oak]

They're different ways to describe any possible computer program. Think of them as different programming languages with the same fundamental power.

Message URL

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Question

eli5

[hoary sluice]

everything is global

[valid jetty]

in elle what i can do is like

[spark tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296432043265232990/1359869420633194586/True_GIFs_-_1909609242518302839.gif

[valid jetty]

when you create a lambda

it generates a struct

where the fields are all like scoped variables

itll capture everything by value because then i can return the lambda

[spark tiger]

Ghostth

[valid jetty]

for a second i thought you said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_optimization

💔

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem 💔

oh! wtf

is it truncating or something

supposedly it fails here

i think i know why

[hoary sluice]

was boolean algebra "combinatorics" invented after combinatory logic?

[valid jetty]

no idea

[valid jetty]

stupid linked list

..........what???????????

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty how do u use clippy

[formal belfry]

cargo clippy

it keeps going up

it was at 600 7 days ago

😭

[valid jetty]

you just cargo clippy

or well i do cargo clippy --all

[spark tiger]

isn’t it in rust analyzer already

[ionic lake]

cargo check also

[valid jetty]

i got qbe to fail here https://c9x.me/git/qbe.git/tree/rega.c#n304

but i have NO idea what this function is doing

its do pm whatever pm is

parallel move??

[hoary sluice]

my aoc utils mentioned???

pm == positive modulo

[valid jetty]

I FOUND THE ISSUE

its this

how??? idk

oh i see

lmfao

for things that are sub-word but signed, like i16 and i8

theyre gonna be into_base'd aka turned into word

so the offset is wrong

so the pointer becomes wrong

ok

cool

YAY

ITS FASTER ON MY THJNKPAD

insane....

[ionic lake]

jinkpad

[valid jetty]

every single test in the auto test suite in 1.7s is kinda insane

[formal belfry]

new colorscheme : o

666 mem

sus

[hoary sluice]

~/Desktop/Code??????????????????????????????????????????????

[valid jetty]

WHERE ELSE DO I PUT IT

i dont think it really matters

[hoary sluice]

~/workspace

[fleet cedar]

I have most of my stuff in /home/fun/*

[pseudo sierra]

~/Documents/garbage for other ppls shit and ~/Documents/shit for my garbage

[fleet cedar]

Nah /home/src for "large read-only git cloned project"

/home/large for large things that aren't git repos, such as video game dumps and music collection

/home/data is where all application-specific data and config goes, unless they're evil and disobey the XDG spec

[runic charm]

i like my programs evil and disobediant

what do you MEAN

nvm it still works its just vvsc being Stupid

[formal belfry]

i put everything at ~/.local/src

[spark tiger]

i used to put repos in D:/Git on my laptop (D: was a partition of the SSD)

now i decided to use what microsoft intended ~/Documents for

so i'm storing it in ~/Documents/Projects

[hoary sluice]

.local is a dir i consider to be safely deletable lol

[hoary sluice]

why did it not reply

[formal belfry]

idk

[hazy pine]

yall dont do it in /etc/programming ??

[median root]

[hazy pine]

hear me out

/dev

[median root]

I can see the logic there at least

not in terms of practicality but in terms of naming

[hoary sluice]

ah yes, https://github.com/eagely/icypeas, my favorite block device

[median root]

the best one there

[fleet cedar]

Some of my colleagues like to put things in /var/src

[hoary sluice]

isnt var root protected

[median root]

tell them not to

[hoary sluice]

or do they chmod /var/src

[fleet cedar]

They do

On shared vms

[hoary sluice]

probably from /var/www

[fleet cedar]

It's kinda annoying

[median root]

I always do apache2 stuff in my home folder before cp -r to the /var/www dir

[formal belfry]

nop

[median root]

it would be chown no? cuz its owned by root (unless they have sudo)

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape since when is tsoding on void??

[hoary sluice]

you can use chmod to chown

[median root]

fr?

[placid cape]

He's using void??

[hoary sluice]

https://youtu.be/zkV8GKHGrRQ?t=3m43s

timestamp link

[median root]

yo WHAT since when bro. Ive always been using chown

[hoary sluice]

xbps-query

[hoary sluice]

chmod is short for chown and chgrp and the other perms

wait actually i think im stupid

i mixed it up

[valid jetty]

?????????

[hoary sluice]

chown is short for chgrp

chmod is only perms not own

[valid jetty]

chmod is to change the permissions for the owner of a file

[placid cape]

cool

[valid jetty]

chown chooses who the owner is

theyre different commands

???

[hoary sluice]

yes i havent chmodded anything besides +x and 777 in a long time i forgor

[valid jetty]

lmao horror

[median root]

yeah my thought would be to chown it or just not develop in /var

[hoary sluice]

you can still use chmod tho

[valid jetty]

why would you EVER need to develop in /var

[hoary sluice]

chmod it for other

scroll up

[valid jetty]

well fuck you because thats where elle installs as it doesnt require root permission

[median root]

ill read up on the man pages when im done testing this. never thought chmod could do that

[hoary sluice]

nixos incompatible i think

[valid jetty]

where do i put it then 😭

i used to put it in /usr/local but that doesnt work on some systems because make fails when i run with sudo as the $PATH is different and .cargo is not gonna be in there

[hoary sluice]

statically link it

[fleet cedar]

make && sudo make install

[valid jetty]

it is statically linked but i still need to put the file somewhere

[valid jetty]

i mean true i guess..

[hoary sluice]

u mean the elle binary?

[valid jetty]

no the runtime

because its not just the executable that goes into .local its the stdlib headers and runtime static lib too

[hoary sluice]

put it into a nix derivation

maintain a nix pkg 🙂

[valid jetty]

ellec is statically linked (mostly)

im not gonna link with libc and libm statically

[hoary sluice]

make an aur pkg

and a nix pkg

and every major version pr into into nixpkgs

idk how fedora pkgs work

but you shouldnt be using fedora anyways

[valid jetty]

whats wrong with fedora

lol

[valid jetty]

btw he has literally been using void for ages

[hoary sluice]

it doesnt have a big pkg system

[hoary sluice]

yea i vaguely remember now

[valid jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81MdyDYqB-A

this

watch

[hoary sluice]

the excuse is always distrobox but if youre gonan distrobox then why not just use arcn

arch

[stoic helm]

:3

[valid jetty]

i just use fedora because nix is unmaintainable as someone who is actually productive and arch needs me to update my packages every day

[hoary sluice]

what both of those are wrong

[valid jetty]

fedora just kinda works and is fast enough that i dont care enough to try anything else

[valid jetty]

i dont have the time to spend 6 hours configuring my OS 😭

its the same reason i dont have hyprland

[hoary sluice]

6 hours 😭 its literally 6 hours hello

ive spent weeks in total ricing

[hazy pine]

i wanna spend more hours configuring my os its so fun

[valid jetty]

horror

[hoary sluice]

same

main reason why idm nix being more work

[valid jetty]

imo nixos is only good as a server OS and for annoying veeeeee😭

[hoary sluice]

the server should run openbsd

actuallo nixos is good too

[valid jetty]

idk nixos is pretty cool for servers

[hoary sluice]

u can steal a security config from gh

[valid jetty]

but not for a standard user machine lol

[hoary sluice]

wryng

wrong

[formal belfry]

on an emotional level

[formal belfry]

REAL SHIT

NEVER THOUGHT I'D AGREE WITH YOU

[dawn ledge]

/dev actually means devices

[hazy pine]

shh

nerd

[dawn ledge]

well fuck nixos casue ~/.local/bin is in the spec

[dawn ledge]

riddle me this
do you care about nixos?

[dawn ledge]

she thinks spending some time designing a website is a waste eagely

[frosty obsidian]

i think its fine to not want to spend hours configuring things

[valid jetty]

its not a waste if you want to express yourself creatively

its just a waste for me because i dont have the time

[valid jetty]

not exactly but im pretty sure ~/.local/bin isnt in ur path by default anyway lol

[dawn ledge]

yeah

nixos packages are just a bunch of patches and bandages for nixos' design choices

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

😭

[hoary sluice]

it works on nixos just requires 5 minutes of effort to set up fhs symlinks

[hoary sluice]

i think its also fine to want to spend weeks configuring things

[hoary sluice]

what

this is literally just false

[frosty obsidian]

i would agree

to each their own

[hoary sluice]

theres home manager which is a big part and nh which is a cli beautifier basically but nixpkgs are literally just normal packages except theres a lot of them

[shrewd canopy]

Python
Compiling

[hoary sluice]

yop

[shrewd canopy]

well technically it compiles into bytecode lol