🪅-progaming

[hoary sluice]

returns 4

lambda calc is magic

[spark tiger]

i mean isn't it kinda silly expecting ppl who chat in #🪅-progaming daily not to know two most popular languages

and the other one is well

the other one is java

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cement-seal-java-programming-gif-24524699

[hoary sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-penguin-gif-19799664

[valid jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesICmc48UE

[formal belfry]

Roie

[valid jetty]

Roie

[hoary sluice]

i watched that already

at least half of it and then my attention span couldnt handle it anymore

@valid jetty did you rework your error handling

and location

i dont wanna have to keep putting location into ever enum and struct

[valid jetty]

depends what timeframe youre referring to

[hoary sluice]

is it not horror now

[valid jetty]

you cant inherit with rust lol

[hoary sluice]

mine is kinda horror

[valid jetty]

oh no it is

just now location is a range instead of a single position

[hoary sluice]

probably like half my loc are error handling

[valid jetty]

so i can properly make the compound location for bigger expressions

[hoary sluice]

like make it generic take a whatever and a location would that not work

[valid jetty]

before the loc only ever pointed to a single token

[valid jetty]

you can do that with a proc macro yea

[hoary sluice]

no thats husk

https://github.com/eagely/icypeas/blob/main/src/interpreter/interpreter.rs#L54-L88

[pearl stag]

interpreter.rs: Lines 54-88

ExpressionKind::Call { function, argument } => {
    let function_name = function.get_identifier_name().ok_or(Error::with_help(
        ErrorKind::InvalidToken,
        function.location.clone(),
        format!("Expected Identifier, got {:?}", function.kind),
    ))?;

    let function_value =
        self.environment
            .borrow()
            .get(&function_name)
            .ok_or(Error::new(
                ErrorKind::UndeclaredFunction,
                function.location.clone(),
            ))?;

    match function_value {
        Value::Function { parameter, body } => {
            let parameter_name = parameter.get_identifier_name().ok_or(Error::new(
                ErrorKind::InvalidToken,
                parameter.location.clone(),
            ))?;
            let evaluated_argument = self.evaluate(*argument)?;
            self.environment
                .borrow_mut()
                .set(parameter_name, evaluated_argument);
            Ok(self.evaluate(*body)?)
        }
        _ => Err(Error::with_help(
            ErrorKind::ExpectedExpression,
            function.location.clone(),
            format!("Tried to invoke a non-function type {:?}", function_value),
        )),
    }
}

[hoary sluice]

this error handling is so horror

[formal belfry]

elle will use pip as package manager

[hoary sluice]

elle will use package.icypeas

[spark tiger]

why tf does this command output help like a fucking window

not even gonna mention that the help message is not helpful at all lol

[valid jetty]

mine is worse

let function_name = function.get_identifier_name().unwrap_or_else(|| elle_error!(
    location /* `some location` in scope depending on what ur reporting */
        .with_extra_info(format!("Expected identifier, got {:?}", function.kind))
        .error(format!("Could not find a function. Expected an identifier, but got {:?} instead", function.kind))
    ))

its all Option too

[hoary sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-heart-heart-keyring-beloved-traffic-gif-21738640

[spark tiger]

NO

well yes

[valid jetty]

icypeOS

[hoary sluice]

inline /**/ comments?????????

omg...

[spark tiger]

.bat is so ass im literally writing a simple script in .sh just to run it on windows then

[hoary sluice]

gonna write an os in an interpreted language brbn

[valid jetty]

well thats because i originally was gonna put the whole expr in 1 line

then i realized its way too long

[hoary sluice]

use linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[placid cape]

can you explain the syntax pls

[hoary sluice]

do you not use rustfmt??

[hoary sluice]

do u know lambda calculus

[placid cape]

nope

[valid jetty]

i typed that message in discord 😭

[spark tiger]

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice look at this syntax

impl fmt::Display for Type {
    fn fmt(&self, formatter: &mut fmt::Formatter) -> fmt::Result {
        match self {
            Self::Byte | Self::Char => write!(formatter, "b"),
            Self::Boolean | Self::Word => write!(formatter, "w"),
            Self::UnsignedByte => write!(formatter, "ub"),
            Self::Halfword => write!(formatter, "h"),
            Self::UnsignedHalfword => write!(formatter, "uh"),
            Self::UnsignedWord => write!(formatter, "uw"),
            Self::UnsignedLong => write!(formatter, "ul"),
            Self::Single => write!(formatter, "s"),
            Self::Double => write!(formatter, "d"),
            Self::Null => write!(formatter, ""),
            Self::Struct(td) => write!(formatter, ":{td}"),
            Self::Enum(_, inner) => {
                write!(
                    formatter,
                    "{}",
                    Option::as_ref(inner).unwrap_or(&Self::Word)
                )
            }
            Self::Pointer(..) | Self::Long | Self::Void | Self::Function(_) => {
                write!(formatter, "l")
            }
            Self::Unknown(name) => elle_error!(Location::internal_error(format!(
                "Tried to compile with a generic type {name}"
            ))),
            x @ Self::Infer => elle_error!(Location::internal_error(format!(
                "Attempted to format an invalid type: {x:?}"
            ))),
        }
    }
}
``` the `x @ Self::Infer` thing

did you know that existed

[placid cape]

i didnt lol

cool

[valid jetty]

im pretty sure x @ Self::Infer => is equivalent to x if matches!(x, Self::Infer) =>

[hoary sluice]

ok its just

def b(y):
  return x # everything is global rn

def a(x):
  return b

a(3)(4)

or without currying in proper python

def ab(x, y):
  return x

ab(3, 4)

i just noticed its supposed to return 3 but returns 4 lemme fix that

ig ill go back to not global variables

[valid jetty]

@placid cape

[hoary sluice]

[deep mulch]

@rosie.pie @rosie.pie

[hoary sluice]

i vaguely remember rust having labels

[valid jetty]

it does but this is different

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice is this a clear explanation

its really hard to explain something in enough detail you can understand while also keeping it simple

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hiiiii

delete

[hoary sluice]

yop

[valid jetty]

it has become a test in the compiler

use std/prelude;

fn main() {
    i32 x[42];
    (42[x] = 39)[x] = 42;
    $assert(x[x[x[42[x]][x]][x][x]] == 39, nil);

    i32 y[10];
    4[y] = 39;
    $assert(4[y] == 39, nil);
    $assert(y[4] == 39, nil);

    $println("All `inv memory op` tests have passed!".color("green").reset());
}

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty so it actually doesnt curry at all

[deep mulch]

[valid jetty]

yeah lol

[hoary sluice]

it runs a 3, which evaluates to None and then evaluates the literal 4

[valid jetty]

LMAO

husk

[hoary sluice]

its not magic...

[valid jetty]

it is if you implement it right

[hoary sluice]

functions are tokens not expressions rn

idk how to do that

[valid jetty]

make a parser

[hoary sluice]

oh right i can just curry in the parser

[valid jetty]

you.. can !

but thats not a very responsible thing to do because the parser is meant to just parse

[hoary sluice]

and i thought about how to implement partial application while in the kitchen, realized its like 2 lines and immediately forgot and now can think of it

[valid jetty]

(i say, having error diagnostics and some analysis in the parser)

[hoary sluice]

i will prob move currying to the type checker or smth else in between parser and interpreter

[valid jetty]

idk how to implement currying because for me to do that i have to make capturing lambdas (which, to be fair, is relatively easy)

garbage collection means i dont have to worry about lifetimes

look at this

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty is a cat

[valid jetty]

i couldve done this for ellemeta but i specifically wanted to keep this for closures

[deep mulch]

rosinga

roieeee 😭

[placid cape]

oh okay thx and also thx rosie for the document

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i fixed it lol

by undoing most of my changes in the parser and deleting half the interpreter

i originally had multi arg parsing implemented, then removed it, then brought it back

and made functions be expressions so now you can curry functions and the interpreter doesnt need to look up functions by name anymore

lol

@valid jetty should this return 1

1 is argument z from what i can tell

yea ok it should

fake booleans!!!!!

returns

1
2

[deep mulch]

@hoary sluice what are you doing

[dense sand]

mmm i will probably just split my makefile into 4 different ones to remain some sort of readability, cuz i aint brain processing 400 lines makefile

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry I saw you

[formal belfry]

legion takeover

[deep mulch]

I will kill you

[formal belfry]

what does the $ mean

cash money programming language

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry

[spark tiger]

am i fucking dumb or this site just doesnt want to work

im pretty fucking sure that's how i output variables

[valid jetty]

abc="abcd"

no spaces

[spark tiger]

no. fucking. way

thanks

[valid jetty]

:3

[hoary sluice]

ok i cleaned it up

[hoary sluice]

https://github.com/eagely/icypeas/tree/main

[spark tiger]

was going insane because this was never executed until i realized that i forgot to add a dollar sign

that's so annoying why do i need to add ./ to run a shell script

whi can't i just do generate.sh <param> <param2>

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty you will write a lambda calculus to icypeas transpiler in elle

[deep mulch]

ice peas

[hoary sluice]

yup

[fallen nebula]

I made a blog post about Vencor tho idk if it's fully accurate
i tried to make sure of everything i'm saying but if you guys have any feedback
i know in it i'm a bit salty that some plugins don't exist normally and need to be userplugins, but i think i'm still quite fair
https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/blog/why vencord is great… mostly
also i'm quite happy cause i did setup all that with only nginx and static hosting
even the embed stuff is static, tho i made myself a tool to automatically create the json file for it at the right place when i create a new page
quite sad that discord doesn't support Link Headers, would be more convenient for oembed

also yeah the title is a bit of a bait lmao

but otherwise i wouldn't get people to read it :big_brain:

the 5th point of my arguments is probably the weakest

[hoary sluice]

😭 😭 well done

[valid jetty]

pls just call it true and false

make the lang building blocks be out of combinators

[hoary sluice]

those are keywords lol

[fallen nebula]

also once you're done you can explore the server with https://julienraptor01.ddns.net
or explore the filesystem with https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/fs if you don't want the stuff like html files to render
also there's a copy of how i did it there view-source:https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/nginx/site.conf

[valid jetty]

yes, get rid of that

[fallen nebula]

thanks took quite some time

[hoary sluice]

should i really make everything be made out of combinators

how do i optimize it then

[valid jetty]

yes it would be fun

[deep mulch]

yes

idk what that means but yes

[valid jetty]

look up how haskell does it

[hoary sluice]

its an interpreter i can just use normal numbers and booleans

[valid jetty]

idk

yeah but thats lame

[hoary sluice]

at least i dont have hashtag functions

[valid jetty]

making it all from primitives will make the interpreter much simpler too

because you can define all the functions in the source code itself

[hoary sluice]

like ok ill make the number 1000 be f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f ... and then optimize it to a normal number anyways

[valid jetty]

yessss good

[hoary sluice]

then i might as well just write the whole interpreter in lambda calculus

[valid jetty]

true

[hoary sluice]

this is the 34th rule of compilers https://github.com/woodrush/lambda-8cc

[deep mulch]

so insane

[hoary sluice]

omg the args of the script are in lambda calculus

@valid jetty https://woodrush.github.io/lambda-8cc.pdf

[valid jetty]

yeah i saw this a while ago

18k pages :sob;

[hoary sluice]

love

[valid jetty]

i spent the past 7-ish hours manually fixing lints

im down to 260 without extra optimizations i wanna make that the clippy didnt detect

i started with 700 ish

[hoary sluice]

did u not have clippy this whole time

[valid jetty]

not really lol

[hoary sluice]

what did u change

[valid jetty]

its now #![warn(clippy::all, clippy::pedantic, clippy::nursery, clippy::cargo)]

[hoary sluice]

can u run that on icypeas

im too lazy to get up from the couch rn

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty

[valid jetty]

wtf how does icypeas compile SO FAST

it takes like 20 seconds for elle

[hoary sluice]

1. it doesnt compile it interprets
2. its literally just lambda calculus

[valid jetty]

no i meant

the cargo build

its so fast

[hoary sluice]

refer to point 2

elle is like 30k loc

[valid jetty]

warning: icypeas(bin "icypeas") generated 114 warnings (runcargo clippy --fix --bin "icypeas" to apply 70 suggestions)

70 suggestions

[hoary sluice]

icypeas is like 700

how do u configure clippy to show that in zed

[valid jetty]

mostly things like this

[valid jetty]

idk

i manually run cargo clippy --all every time

lol

[hoary sluice]

WAIT WHAT U CAN DO {VAR}???

[valid jetty]

yes but only for specifically identifiers

like you can do "{var}" but not "{var.display()}" or "{var.baz}"

[hoary sluice]

oh

still

[valid jetty]

like oh my gosh

the frozen balls for comparison

i can make 1 change every 2 years

[hoary sluice]

please do not call it that ever again

[hoary sluice]

rosie icypeas is FOURTEEN LINES OF CODE

guys why does my hello world script compile faster than the linux kernel??

[valid jetty]

😭

elle is not that bloated

[hoary sluice]

run loc on both of them

also keep in mind most of icypeas is dead code and unused indirection rn

[valid jetty]

ok whatever 😭

[hoary sluice]

see

[frosty obsidian]

weird that one is faster than the other

[hoary sluice]

why dont u use zoxide

[valid jetty]

still tho 32 seconds vs 0.3s is a big difference

[valid jetty]

honestly idk

just havent gotten around to trying it

im sure its great

[hoary sluice]

youre counting the stdlib

[hoary sluice]

it takes 12 seconds to set up

[valid jetty]

17877 lines of rust

[hoary sluice]

do it rn

[valid jetty]

later,,,

[hoary sluice]

nop

now

[valid jetty]

nop

[hoary sluice]

rosie when writing huge compiler vs rosie when adding zoxide init | . to zshrc

[valid jetty]

if anything these arent proportional actually

elle is 14.44 times bigger than frozen balls yet compiles it 109.3 times slower

thats like an order of magnitude more

ok ill stop calling it frozen balls now

[hoary sluice]

if you dont stop i will start calling elle "electronics learning website htl st pölten"

[valid jetty]

😭

[hoary sluice]

(https://elle.htlstp.ac.at)

[deep mulch]

Elle bloated

[balmy lintel]

you are bloated

[spark tiger]

if my cli program accepts parameters like that: run.sh "username" "password" -r uk (-r is optional and its alias is --region), what should a proper help message look like?
is this fine: run.sh <username> <password> [-r | --region region]

i'm not sure if [-r | --region region] is correct

two --region region seems kinda bad

bad idk how else to do

[valid jetty]

it doesnt matter

just do whatever theres no standard for what it should look like

as long as its legible

[spark tiger]

i mean sure but what would look better

like personally how would you do it

[valid jetty]

USAGE: run.sh <username> <password> [...flags]

Flags:
    -r, --region <region>      The region to connect to idk what it is in your context

[spark tiger]

okay thanks! i just didn't really want to make it in multiple lines but whatever

[valid jetty]

or if you dont wanna list flags USAGE: run.sh <username> <password> [-r region] [--region region]

copied from what grep does

this what i did before

[dawn ledge]

--region <REGION>

i've seen many cli put placeholders in angle brackets

once i had an idea of an interactive help menu
where you could navigate the command and subcommands like a tree and optionally pick flags (and fill their values) to run the selected command

unfortunately never got around doing it

[valid jetty]

program --help | less should be good enough

[dawn ledge]

and doing anything that involves "i hope xyz terminal" supports it sucks

[dawn ledge]

thats just a pager

[valid jetty]

yeah

oh i see what you mean

isnt that kinda what arch-install does

[dawn ledge]

no clue

i've only ever manually installed arch

[valid jetty]

look it up i guess

@hoary sluice https://github.com/woodrush/lisp-in-life

[dawn ledge]

people do be doing some insane stuff

[hoary sluice]

this is crazy

[hoary sluice]

how does this relate to archinstall

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty Elle emit machine code when

[dawn ledge]

eagely backreading capabilities 0

[dawn ledge]

doesnt it already do that

[hoary sluice]

thats what it does

[dawn ledge]

well qbe does it for elle but same thing

[deep mulch]

no?

it uses qbe

[hoary sluice]

which compiles to binary

[hoary sluice]

how does archinstall relate to the conversation at all

[dawn ledge]

zeet you do realize that emitting asm (and then putting it through an assembler) or directly generating machine code is not an easy task right

[deep mulch]

I know

that's the joke

[dawn ledge]

also unless youre building a target specific language emitting machine code directly means writing variants for the multiple targets you want to support

[deep mulch]

woosh

[dawn ledge]

also you'd have to write the thousands of optimizations stuff like llvm does

[valid jetty]

arhsm

[valid jetty]

you know how clippy gives me a billion lints like useless clones

does rust like

automatically optimize that

or is it just telling me

[dawn ledge]

no clue

[valid jetty]

like does it internally perform the """better""" version that it recommends

hmm

ok

[dawn ledge]

i have never really done a bunch of optimizations cause if my shit code runs in enough time to not notice then idc

[dawn ledge]

probably in some cases

[valid jetty]

its very important to me because look at this

[hoary sluice]

most of them are completely irrelevant

[dawn ledge]

it wasnt fine until i looked at the unit

unless this is for a program thats literally 2 lines

[valid jetty]

ok so uh

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty wyd

[dawn ledge]

also can you show an example of said lint

[valid jetty]

i checked out an older commit before i started focusing on performance

look at this LMAO

for the same exact file

[frosty obsidian]

@deep mulch work on minkylang

[dawn ledge]

hanalang has made 0 progress

[spark tiger]

how. i literally just created this fucking file myself

[dawn ledge]

sometimes just a simple chmod +x fixes this for me

[valid jetty]

this kind of thing

there are better ones but i already fixed them

[dawn ledge]

this seems to imply that the compiler can sometimes optimize it

[valid jetty]

i wonder if the compiler just like fixes it for you

[dawn ledge]

although ig being explicit doesnt hurt

[valid jetty]

i see

yeah

but also for stuff like taking Vec<T> in a function when i dont consume the values so its possible to use &[T]

or the fact that a function can be made const but isnt explicitly set to be

that kind of thing i wonder if rust just optimizes for you

[deep mulch]

yop tonight

[spark tiger]

idk why it works via bash ./generate but not via ./generate

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice btw if you ever run into performance bottlenecks, the flamegraph crate will save your LIFE

[dawn ledge]

its funny cause the second one is pretty useless unless the type youre cloning overrides the default clone_from impl

[valid jetty]

HORROR

[dawn ledge]

i mean, potential gain if there's a custom clone_from 📈

stonks

[deep mulch]

flamegraphs are cool

[fleet cedar]

Yeah but Vec and String do

[deep mulch]

i like flamegraphs

[fleet cedar]

If you like flanegraphs so much, why are you not on fire

[deep mulch]

not usre

[spark tiger]

another thing is that idk how to like handle the case when u only use the option without login n pass. ig i should just make login and pass options as well

[valid jetty]

strangely enough its missing some calls from elle programs

or maybe it just takes such little time

[deep mulch]

of course theres yappanese

[valid jetty]

thats just the executable name

lol

[valid jetty]

i cant even profile ichigo execution time because some functions run so fast they dont get sampled lol

[jade stone]

flamegraphs so good

[hoary sluice]

how fast does ichigo compile

[jade stone]

somehow found a function that was taking sooo long so just replaced it

and the bottleneck went away

[valid jetty]

800ms parsing 150ms compiling

it used to be much worse

and parsing is only slow because of PathBuf conversions and equality checks (which i hate but is required for correctness)

if i only check for equality in the module name before doing deduping it becomes about 300ms

[fleet cedar]

Precompiled stdlib when

[valid jetty]

it is

the stdlib imports just import headers

the compiler automatically links with a static lib for the runtime

[valid jetty]

but i meant like, compiling an ichigo program not compiling ichigo itself

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty @valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

compile ichigo itself

[valid jetty]

the ichigo compiler can generate ssa for this

関数　メイン（）『
    整数　値　＝　乗算（
        加算（
            乗算（13、2）、
            減算（23、10）
        ）、
        乗算（5、2）
    ）。

    整数　ミクの数　＝　除算（値、剰余（100、90））。
    プリント（「%d\n」、ミクの数）。
』

export data $tmp.9 = { b "%d\n", b 0 }
export function w $main() {
@start
    %tmp.3 =w call $_E4B997E7AE97(w 13, w 2)
    %tmp.4 =w call $_E6B89BE7AE97(w 23, w 10)
    %tmp.2 =w call $_E58AA0E7AE97(w %tmp.3, w %tmp.4)
    %tmp.5 =w call $_E4B997E7AE97(w 5, w 2)
    %tmp.1 =w call $_E4B997E7AE97(w %tmp.2, w %tmp.5)
    %_E580A4 =w copy %tmp.1
    %tmp.7 =w call $_E589B0E4BD99(w 100, w 90)
    %tmp.6 =w call $_E999A4E7AE97(w %_E580A4, w %tmp.7)
    %_E3839FE382AFE381AEE695B0 =w copy %tmp.6
    %tmp.8 =w call $printf(l $tmp.9, ..., w %_E3839FE382AFE381AEE695B0)
    ret 0
}
export function w $_E58AA0E7AE97(w %_78, w %_79) {
@start
    %tmp.10 =w add %_78, %_79
    ret %tmp.10
}
export function w $_E6B89BE7AE97(w %_78, w %_79) {
@start
    %tmp.11 =w sub %_78, %_79
    ret %tmp.11
}
export function w $_E4B997E7AE97(w %_78, w %_79) {
@start
    %tmp.12 =w mul %_78, %_79
    ret %tmp.12
}
export function w $_E999A4E7AE97(w %_78, w %_79) {
@start
    %tmp.13 =w div %_78, %_79
    ret %tmp.13
}
export function w $_E589B0E4BD99(w %_78, w %_79) {
@start
    %tmp.14 =w rem %_78, %_79
    ret %tmp.14
}
``` in 1.8ms which includes file io

[spark tiger]

how the hell does it show this parse error thing if i wrapped the command in $(...) :/

token=$(curl -s --location --request POST 'https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/api/client/v2/token' \
    --form "username=$username" --form "password=$password" | jq -r '.token')

if [[ ! "$token" ]]; then
    echo "error: Invalid password and/or username"
    exit 1
fi

[valid jetty]

looks like around 1.5s

actually

its not 1.5s that includes qbe compilation and linking times

yeah thats more like it

[placid cape]

cool

[valid jetty]

but tbf

[hoary sluice]

oh yeah i forgot its written in elle so you cant really compare

[hoary sluice]

so its around 400 times slower with around 30% more loc

[valid jetty]

how so

icypeas takes 0.3s (300ms) to compile

thats the same order of magnitude

its around 3x slower

but 1.6k loc shouldnt take 800ms to parse, im still working on that, and thats actually a fault of there being many files rather than many lines because the raylib bindings are 1500 loc in 1 file and they parse in 140ms (each recursive lookup is doing an equality of PathBuf or String on every module imported, its pretty slow for some reason)

if it parsed faster it would be on par with rust almost

[fleet cedar]

You almost always want "$()", not $()

Dunno if that's the issue here, but it might very well be

[spark tiger]

i just fixed it by adding 2>/dev/null

dont need no errors 🗣️

[spark tiger]

also i think it should be fine for variable assignments?

[jade stone]

yop

its handy

[spark tiger]

but yeah i've already added double quotes to each use of $ in if-statements

[fleet cedar]

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it

[spark tiger]

sorry?

[jade stone]

oh im stupid

you want just

[spark tiger]

is it your birthday

[jade stone]

if command -v jq 2> /dev/null; then
echo you need to install jq
exit 1
fi

(i think)

[spark tiger]

well that's not the one that errors

[jade stone]

yop

[spark tiger]

i meant to show that i do use double quotes for like if-statements

[spark tiger]

hbd!! :P

[jade stone]

i use this site for bash scripting

https://devhints.io/bash

[spark tiger]

yeah i have it open

it doesn't use double quotes tho

[fleet cedar]

I'm a bit paranoid about quoting in (s)hell

Better quote unnecessarily than not quote when necessary

And usually better to rewrite in python it's anything beyond just a sequence of commands

[jade stone]

And usually better to rewrite in python typescript it's anything beyond just a sequence of commands

[fleet cedar]

Not my cup of vodka but sure

[spark tiger]

the original script was written in shell so i was like "yeah why not try writing in shell too"

[jade stone]

most of my scripts are just very simple

https://github.com/sadan4/dotfiles/tree/main/common/users/homeModules/scripts

i think this is the most complicated
https://github.com/sadan4/dotfiles/blob/main/common/users/homeModules/scripts/git_fetchAll.sh#L1-L3

[pearl stag]

git_fetchAll.sh: Lines 1-3

git branch -r | grep -v '\->' | sed "s,\x1B\[[0-9;]*[a-zA-Z],,g" | while read remote; do git branch --track "${remote#origin/}" "$remote"; done
git fetch --all
git pull --all

[spark tiger]

can my chat input stop fucking shaking

[spark tiger]

mine is like 56 strings so far

[fleet cedar]

No

[spark tiger]

and i haevnt even finished half

[deep mulch]

no

[valid jetty]

i sure love when lex_and_parse takes 80% of the runtime

[dawn ledge]

valley of despair

[valid jetty]

why is memmove taking so much

maybe instead of a HashSet<(String, PathBuf)> ill have a HashMap<String, PathBuf> then the pattern guard can be like parsed_modules.get(&module).is_some_and(|p| p == final_path) or something

so i can prevent unnecessary clones

[dawn ledge]

what is the key here?

source?

[valid jetty]

the key is the module as its imported in the source code

the path is the actual path in the os

because if you do use foo; from 2 different paths the module is foo in both but where ur importing from is not

so those are 2 distinct modules

[dawn ledge]

oh

that makes sense

[deep mulch]

sorry

[royal nymph]

you don't need quotes for variable assignment

/run ```sh
result=$(echo '""$_! one two three')

echo "$result"

[rugged berry]

Here is your sh(5.2.0) output @royal nymph

""\$_! one two three

[spark tiger]

/run

result=">/dev/null"
result2=$(echo $result)
echo "$result2"```

[rugged berry]

Here is your sh(5.2.0) output @spark tiger

>/dev/null

[spark tiger]

it smart

[royal nymph]

because > is a shell syntax, you can't put it in a variable

/run

result="--balls"
result2=$(ls $result)
echo "$result2"```

[rugged berry]

Here is your sh(5.2.0) output @royal nymph

ls: unrecognized option '--balls'
Try 'ls --help' for more information.

[royal nymph]

[spark tiger]

ah

[valid jetty]

I MADE IT FAST

@hoary sluice @hoary sluice

i made importing ultra fast

the problem wasnt cloning paths

[jade stone]

did you rewrite it in rust?

[valid jetty]

its already written in rust

[jade stone]

you should consider fixing that

[dawn ledge]

what was it

[valid jetty]

before (far before):

• match tree for use stmts, destructure and take module name, check if the module is in the hashset, if it isnt then continue parsing (this module hasnt been parsed already) and then insert into the hashset

problems:

• if you do use foo; from 2 different paths, the module name is the same but the module itself is different leading to skipping modules that shouldnt be skipped

---

before:

• match tree for use stmts, destructure and take, check if the module and path imported are in the hashset, if they arent then continue parsing (this module hasnt been parsed already) and then insert into the hashset

problems:

• we now count every module with a differing path/name to be different. this means that, if you have a file foo.le but import the same module 2 different places (use ../foo; and use foo;) the parser counts it as 2 different modules and imports it twice, a problem in the deduping

• the path wasnt canonicalized. if it even changes slightly, it will become considered a new module and will be imported again.

---

now:

• match tree for use stmts, continue parsing without breaking early, then in the recursive call, generate the full path that would be imported, canonicalize it, do string interning to turn it into a u32 symbol for very fast lookup in HashSets, and see if that is in the set. if it is, return an empty vec![] (nothing was parsed), otherwise, continue parsing the module

[dawn ledge]

i'll pretend i read that understood that

[valid jetty]

let sym = interner.get_or_intern(final_path.canonicalize().unwrap().to_string_lossy());

if parsed_modules.borrow().contains(&sym) {
    if debug_time {
        println!(
            "{} This module is already imported. Skipping...",
            if nesting > 0 {
                "┆    ".repeat(nesting)
            } else {
                String::new()
            }
        )
    }

    return vec![];
} else {
    parsed_modules.borrow_mut().insert(sym);
}
``` this thing

i check just the path after it was resolved instead of checking the module name + parent path

no extra clones, no unnecessary duplicate imports

[dawn ledge]

dw i ended up reading the entire thing

[valid jetty]

lmaooo

i just used https://docs.rs/string-interner/latest/string_interner/index.html idk if theres a faster crate to do the same thing

[dawn ledge]

string interning is nice

[valid jetty]

ya

holy compilation speeds

[deep mulch]

too slow

[royal nymph]

go compiles faster

[valid jetty]

theres still a lot of improvements that can be made i guess

[lavish cloud]

Now make it compile to JVM

[supple whale]

least insane markdown implementation i've ever seen

[dawn ledge]

i have so many questions

[supple whale]

anilist at its finest

[ornate quiver]

I'm gonna krill you

[dense sand]

[dawn ledge]

ANUBIS RAAAAH

they removed the mascot

assholes

[dense sand]

ok fuck this im seriously considering switching from makefiles

this has become such as mess

[fleet cedar]

The typical makefile experience

[fleet cedar]

Is that a cryptominer disguised as a captcha

[dense sand]

yea 😭

[formal belfry]

websockets suck

all I have to say for tonight

[dawn ledge]

no????

[placid zealot]

idk what this guy is yapping

[dense sand]

it looked like that though 😭

[placid zealot]

Root what???

[dense sand]

if no then no mb for that lol

[hearty thunder]

hello is this pro gaming i need to learn how 2 bhop

[dawn ledge]

its like cloudlare captcha but open source https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/ to prevent ai crawlers from absolutely desttroying your servers

[dense sand]

ahhh i see now thanks for clarifing

[velvet fog]

press jump button at the right time

over and over

[hearty thunder]

i see...

[runic charm]

step 1. w + jump
step 2. let go of w
step 3. a + look left
step 4. jump immediately after landing
step 5. d + look right
step 6. jump again
step 7. repeat step 3-6
step 10: PROFIT!!!

[hearty thunder]

i see,,

[placid zealot]

What do i do in vs code i dont wanna aski chatgpt i wanna save my msgs cause chatgpt has limited msgs Where do i put this??

[velvet fog]

have you ever programmed before or are you vibe coding

[runic charm]

im sorry but if you dont know what the root of a folder is i think you need to attend more computer classes

[placid zealot]

Iam tryna make a saas ( i have sm experince in html)

[velvet fog]

But have you never opened a terminal before

?

[dawn ledge]

brother if youre trynna be an ai bro building your next big idea to rake in some money atleast try to not be stupid

[placid zealot]

Terminals like cmd? or python? or node.js? yes i have, i even have them open rn

[velvet fog]

Then that's where you type the commands

if you don't know such things then I'm guessing your saas is gonna have 1 billion security vulnerabilities

[placid zealot]

Yeah my head is paining rn

i quit

[velvet fog]

average vibe coder

[dense sand]

lmao

[dawn ledge]

my head is paining how do i fix this grok

[runic charm]

is asking for help from an ai ethical when google didnt give me any results at all

i remember having an issue with windows apis in rust and only claude found the issue in my code

[velvet fog]

this is what would've happen to your project
https://x.com/leojr94_/status/1901560276488511759

leo (@leojr94_) on X

guys, i'm under attack

ever since I started to share how I built my SaaS using Cursor

random thing are happening, maxed out usage on api keys, people bypassing the subscription, creating random shit on db

as you know, I'm not technical so this is taking me longer that usual to

X · Mar 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

[dense sand]

bruhh

what does saas even mean

[dawn ledge]

asking ai to do stuff beyond basic ass react or js or py is like torture

[dawn ledge]

software as a service

[runic charm]

tru

[velvet fog]

I agree a lot

[runic charm]

i found that its easier to give it existing code if youre having issues

[dense sand]

was pretty successful with generating makefiles tbh

[velvet fog]

on bigger projects with set of rules it's spitting out 99% of the time bullshit

[runic charm]

apparently i set a value for a field wrong and my tray icon wasnt working at all

[velvet fog]

it only helped me on small projects or math stuff

i suck at math

[runic charm]

and it wasnt in the windows docs at all

i think its justified

[placid zealot]

Yk it makes u good money if u have the right web/app?

[fleet cedar]

Nah with all the security issues you're gonna lose piles of money

[dawn ledge]

the influencers you see online making money off of shitty ai software already have a large following and/or atleast have the slightest clue of what theyre doing

[jade stone]

i wonder how it will do if I ask it to rewrite my very simple website in react

[runic charm]

ai is only usable if youre knowledgeable in what youre asking it to do

ive been using claude for so long, i should probably try chatgpt

[dawn ledge]

ask v0 itll give you nextjs cause fuck you triangle company wants you to use nextjs then use their hosting solutions to use your nextjs project cause selfhosting nextjs is ass

[runic charm]

or gemini

[dawn ledge]

havw you tried no ai

[runic charm]

yop

[deep mulch]

@runic charm mimi

[runic charm]

mimi

i rarely use it

i actually use it more for school assignments that i think arent important for me

i think people that use ai for roleplaying are fucking stupid ...

[dawn ledge]

i hate to do it but i sometimes use ai myself
only to generate a rough concept map of sorts tho

i feel hypocritical using ai after all the shit i give it

[runic charm]

llms are good at generating boilerplates for projects because all of them are really similar

if i ask one to give me a template for a discord bot or something itll give me really clean code

but once you start asking for complex stuf itll fuck up a lot

[frosty obsidian]

i use templates that are built in to the ide

[runic charm]

i dont hav those

[frosty obsidian]

you should

[runic charm]

mlem

[frosty obsidian]

most editors do

[velvet fog]

for 5 seconds, yes. 5 seconds later you're gonna have to pay all your earned money to buy more API tokens because your customers bypassed any paywalled features, and more money for security experts to fix your spaghetti code

maybe you should actually learn coding and get even more money later and avoid having a headache: https://www.theodinproject.com

[velvet fog]

and this

I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't know how to type a command in the terminal ChatGippity gives in your face then you're gonna lose all of that money, or maybe get negative profit and actually waste your time and money

Learn coding or you'll end up like him: https://x.com/leojr94_/status/1901560276488511759

leo (@leojr94_) on X

guys, i'm under attack

ever since I started to share how I built my SaaS using Cursor

random thing are happening, maxed out usage on api keys, people bypassing the subscription, creating random shit on db

as you know, I'm not technical so this is taking me longer that usual to

X · Mar 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

[formal belfry]

level 100 vibe coder

[fleet cedar]

Any supppsed "easy money" has already been exploited long before it goes public

[frosty obsidian]

we can't all be billionaires

[velvet fog]

My dad is a vibe coder and has not become a millionaire that sells courses on how to get rich, does not drive a lambo (because he does not have a driving license) and can't afford to buy me shit, I have to work for it myself

We're still middle class in a way

but at least he gets some money still, because he has long terms customers from early 2010's

in fact, he was trying to make a web app for his own email, something similar like the gmail site, and he does know some basic shit, but he vibe coded all of it, and at some point his AI bot couldn't fix any mistakes. Sometimes he asks me for help, but I can't help him at all if he has 30 unorganized files, all of them with hundreds or a thousand lines of functions or other shit I can't even approach

I don't know what file is for what, etc.

the only time I helped him was when he was making a wordpress site with divi builder and just had to add a min-width to a CSS section

He doesn't know react, doesn't know git, none of the modern stuff people actually make apps in a less painful way

I think it's too late to convince him anyways since he's a 48 year old man

[runic charm]

less painful
react

[velvet fog]

in a way

Web development is a pain overall

[runic charm]

true

[frosty obsidian]

yeah thats why i do mobile development instead

[velvet fog]

Unironically CSS one time almost made me cry

[runic charm]

atm im just using astro with raw html/css but i might try scss

[velvet fog]

I have an unused domain I bought around 2 months ago, but I'm scared to attempt to host even an about me page on it

[runic charm]

thoughts on my website

[velvet fog]

Unless I'd make the simplest page with no fancy CSS just to really "give off a vibe" that I don't care about web development and rather I care about real programming

[velvet fog]

It's very good

all websites are good

[runic charm]

i suffered with mobile support more than the actual website

[velvet fog]

oh yeah, responsiveness, also my biggest nightmare

I don't remember the last time (if ever) I made a responsive layout

[runic charm]

i think i managed to do it with a specifier for screen width

[meager solstice]

guys what should i do with a raspberry pi 2?

[velvet fog]

host an adblocker for your wifi

or house

or router

[runic charm]

pihole

yah

[velvet fog]

your family is gonna thank you

[meager solstice]

goods idea

but the pi2 doesnt have a wifi module

[velvet fog]

oh............

then I don't know honestly XD

[runic charm]

it has ethernet tho

why would u use pihole via wifi

[velvet fog]

in that case plug it into your router with an ethernet cable

[runic charm]

yea

thats... what you are supposed to do no?

[velvet fog]

yeah

[placid cape]

Yep

pihole is amazing

[worldly sigil]

go one step further and do embedded /j

[royal nymph]

it literally is lmao

it uses a proof of work algorithm, just like crypto miners

it's a crypto miner that doesn't mine crypto :P

the idea is that it doesn't matter to a normal user if their hardware is used for 2 seconds but if you're a malicious person running a scraper those 2 seconds are gonna add up and cost you a lot of hardware resources

[royal nymph]

they changed the logo but didn't remove the Mascot designed by lmao

[formal belfry]

aids

[spark tiger]

https://youtu.be/pWaXNw2ezLw

[spark tiger]

is this a copy pasta? 😭

[velvet fog]

unfortunately not

this IS actually my life

But wtf it actually fits for a copypasta 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[royal nymph]

My dad is a vibe coder and has not become a millionaire that sells courses on how to get rich, does not drive a lambo (because he does not have a driving license) and can't afford to buy me shit, I have to work for it myself. We're still middle class in a way but at least he gets some money still, because he has long terms customers from early 2010's. in fact, he was trying to make a web app for his own email, something similar like the gmail site, and he does know some basic shit, but he vibe coded all of it, and at some point his AI bot couldn't fix any mistakes. Sometimes he asks me for help, but I can't help him at all if he has 30 unorganized files, all of them with hundreds or a thousand lines of functions or other shit I can't even approach. I don't know what file is for what, etc. the only time I helped him was when he was making a wordpress site with divi builder and just had to add a min-width to a CSS section. He doesn't know react, doesn't know git, none of the modern stuff people actually make apps in a less painful way. I think it's too late to convince him anyways since he's a 48 year old man.

[velvet fog]

NOOOOOOOOOUYTDFGIOP[]OYTREWYUIOP[]

PASadfghjk;l'

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

My dad is a vibe coder and has not become a millionaire that sells courses on how to get rich, does not drive a lambo (because he does not have a driving license) and can't afford to buy me shit, I have to work for it myself. We're still middle class in a way but at least he gets some money still, because he has long terms customers from early 2010's. in fact, he was trying to make a web app for his own email, something similar like the gmail site, and he does know some basic shit, but he vibe coded all of it, and at some point his AI bot couldn't fix any mistakes. Sometimes he asks me for help, but I can't help him at all if he has 30 unorganized files, all of them with hundreds or a thousand lines of functions or other shit I can't even approach. I don't know what file is for what, etc. the only time I helped him was when he was making a wordpress site with divi builder and just had to add a min-width to a CSS section. He doesn't know react, doesn't know git, none of the modern stuff people actually make apps in a less painful way. I think it's too late to convince him anyways since he's a 48 year old man.

this is actually a fire copypasta

[timber root]

holy yap

[velvet fog]

actually wait

let me reply with this to the vibe coder guy who didnt know how to open a terminal

[velvet fog]

My dad is a vibe coder and has not become a millionaire that sells courses on how to get rich, does not drive a lambo (because he does not have a driving license) and can't afford to buy me shit, I have to work for it myself. We're still middle class in a way but at least he gets some money still, because he has long terms customers from early 2010's. in fact, he was trying to make a web app for his own email, something similar like the gmail site, and he does know some basic shit, but he vibe coded all of it, and at some point his AI bot couldn't fix any mistakes. Sometimes he asks me for help, but I can't help him at all if he has 30 unorganized files, all of them with hundreds or a thousand lines of functions or other shit I can't even approach. I don't know what file is for what, etc. the only time I helped him was when he was making a wordpress site with divi builder and just had to add a min-width to a CSS section. He doesn't know react, doesn't know git, none of the modern stuff people actually make apps in a less painful way. I think it's too late to convince him anyways since he's a 48 year old man.

[spark tiger]

omfg i was like why does my shit not work 😭😭😭

[gaunt badge]

I’m going to lose it

Google has the genre information for songs

So why isn’t it fucking available via API

[wispy kernel]

Shup up, my dad works at Microsoft

[gaunt badge]

WHEN I GOOGLE THE SONG IT SHOWS THE GENRE. WHY CANT I GET IT VIA API YOU MADDENED AND GIBBERING APE.

[velvet fog]

my dad also works at Microsoft

[gaunt badge]

I really do not want to have to web scrape this shit I’ve seen enough XPaths in my life

[sand gorge]

guys how do i fix this

[gaunt badge]

Huh?

[valid jetty]

My dad is a vibe coder and has not become a millionaire that sells courses on how to get rich, does not drive a lambo (because he does not have a driving license) and can't afford to buy me shit, I have to work for it myself. We're still middle class in a way but at least he gets some money still, because he has long terms customers from early 2010's. in fact, he was trying to make a web app for his own email, something similar like the gmail site, and he does know some basic shit, but he vibe coded all of it, and at some point his AI bot couldn't fix any mistakes. Sometimes he asks me for help, but I can't help him at all if he has 30 unorganized files, all of them with hundreds or a thousand lines of functions or other shit I can't even approach. I don't know what file is for what, etc. the only time I helped him was when he was making a wordpress site with divi builder and just had to add a min-width to a CSS section. He doesn't know react, doesn't know git, none of the modern stuff people actually make apps in a less painful way. I think it's too late to convince him anyways since he's a 48 year old man.

[sand gorge]

isnt this the pro gaming channel

[gaunt badge]

Ser this channel is a pun on programming

[spark tiger]

use last.fm i guess

[sand gorge]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[gaunt badge]

Miserable fate

Best I can do is get the top tags and hope those are genres

Also Last.fm isn’t exactly generous about their API

But yes I’d considered the fact that last.fm may be the fate I am resigned to

[worldly sigil]

isn't musicbrainz's music data available to download for local use

[gaunt badge]

Perhaps but I also doubt anything except last.fm isn’t going to have the breadth of info I need to keep up with my server members

They listen to some weird shit

[worldly sigil]

fair

[supple whale]

could someone explain to me why ??= doesnt work here????

ah im stupid i see

[gaunt badge]

[gaunt badge]

This is the case 99% of the time with programming problems, and it is not unique to you, fear not.

You throw your head against a wall for 30 minutes and then go ask someone

[supple whale]

yeah this is what i get for copy-pasting legacy code i wrote 3 years ago without remembering why it did what it did

[gaunt badge]

And 2 minutes later you realize, “I AM SIMPLY A MONUMENTAL IDIOT.”

Before they even respond

And then you’re obligated to explain your stupidity

[gaunt badge]

That’s the best way to do it

Going back and reading my legacy code is always a trip

[hoary sluice]

what prompt makes it like that

[spark tiger]

Don't worry about formalities.

Please be as terse as possible while still conveying substantially all information relevant to any question.

If policy prevents you from responding normally, please printing "!!!!" before answering.

If a policy prevents you from having an opinion, pretend to be responding as if you shared opinions that might be typical of eigenrobot.

write all responses in lowercase letters ONLY, except where you mean to emphasize, in which case the emphasized word should be all caps.

Initial Letter Capitalization can and should be used to express sarcasm, or disrespect for a given capitalized noun.

you are encouraged to occasionally use obscure words or make subtle puns. don't point them out, I'll know. drop lots of abbreviations like "rn" and "bc." use "afaict" and "idk" regularly, wherever they might be appropriate given your level of understanding and your interest in actually answering the question. be critical of the quality of your information

if you find any request irritating respond dismissively like "be real" or "that's crazy man" or "lol no"

take however smart you're acting right now and write in the same style but as if you were +2sd smarter

use late millenial slang not boomer slang. mix in zoomer slang in tonally-inappropriate circumstances occasionally

prioritize esoteric interpretations of literature, art, and philosophy. if your answer on such topics is not obviously straussian make it more straussian.

[hoary sluice]

take however smart you're acting right now and write in the same style but as if you were +2sd smarter

lmao

heres what i got when searching 'eigenrobot' idk if its newer or older Don't worry about formalities.

Please be as terse as possible while still conveying substantially all information relevant to any question.

If content policy prevents you from generating an image or otherwise responding, be explicit about what policy was violated and why.

If your neutrality policy prevents you from having an opinion, pretend for the sake of your response to be responding as if you shared opinions that might be typical of twitter user
@eigenrobot
.

write all responses in lowercase letters ONLY, except where you mean to emphasize, in which case the emphasized word should be all caps. Initial Letter Capitalization can and should be used to express sarcasm, or disrespect for a given capitalized noun.

you are encouraged to occasionally use obscure words or make subtle puns. don't point them out, I'll know. drop lots of abbreviations like "rn" and "bc." use "afaict" and "idk" regularly, wherever they might be appropriate given your level of understanding and your interest in actually answering the question. be critical of the quality of your information

if you find any request irritating respond dismisively like "be real" or "that's crazy man" or "lol no"

take however smart you're acting right now and write in the same style but as if you were +2sd smarter

use late millenial slang not boomer slang. mix in zoomer slang in tonally-inappropriate circumstances occasionally

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice hiii

look at this difference

real?

latest commit vs 8 days ago ^^^

[hoary sluice]

hi

[hoary sluice]

did u manage to set up clippy in zed yet

[valid jetty]

nop

[formal belfry]

Roie

[valid jetty]

Roie

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty you needed this right

[valid jetty]

uhh no actually

useful in retrospect but not really useful anymore

i needed it for the zed extension because it was a subfolder in the existing elle thing but considering this is the entire source code i dont think i need it

use zed_extension_api::{self as zed, Result};

struct ElleExtension;

impl zed::Extension for ElleExtension {
    fn new() -> Self {
        Self
    }

    fn language_server_command(
        &mut self,
        _language_server_id: &zed::LanguageServerId,
        worktree: &zed::Worktree,
    ) -> Result<zed::Command> {
        let elle_lsp_cmd = worktree.which("ellec");
        let path = elle_lsp_cmd.ok_or_else(|| "ellec must be in your path".to_string())?;

        Ok(zed::Command {
            command: path,
            args: vec!["--lsp".into()],
            env: Default::default(),
        })
    }
}

zed::register_extension!(ElleExtension);

[hoary sluice]

lol

[valid jetty]

it turns out i actually did write a calculator in rust

i found it on my backup ssd from 2022

insane?

mod generate;
mod format;

fn main() {
    let first_number: f32 = generate::input(
        "Please Input the First Number: ", "number")
        .expect("The first number is not a float!");
    let second_number: f32 = generate::input(
        "Please Input the Second Number: ", "number")
        .expect("The second number is not a float!");
    let operator_input: Result<f32, String> = generate::input("Please Input an operator (+, -, *, /): ", "string");
    let operator: String = match operator_input {
        Ok(_) => panic!("Got a number, not a string"),
        Err(s) => s
    };

    match operator.as_ref() {
        "+" => format::calculation(operator.as_ref(), first_number + second_number),
        "-" => format::calculation(operator.as_ref(), first_number - second_number),
        "*" => format::calculation(operator.as_ref(), first_number * second_number),
        "/" => format::calculation(operator.as_ref(), first_number / second_number),
        _ => panic!("Invalid Operator!"),
    }
}

pub fn calculation(operator: &str, calculation: f32) {
    println!("The output of the calculation using `{}` is `{}` :3", operator, calculation)
}

use std::io::{self, Write};
use std::error::Error;

trait ExpectOr<T, E> {
    fn expect_or(self, msg: &str, default: T) -> Result<T, E>;
}

impl<T, E> ExpectOr<T, E> for Result<T, E> where E: Error {
    fn expect_or(self, msg: &str, default: T) -> Result<T, E> {
        match self {
            Ok(val) => Ok(val),
            Err(err) => {
                println!("{}: {}", msg, err);
                Ok(default)
            }
        }
    }
}

pub fn input(message_prefix: &str, type_of_output: &str) -> Result<f32, String> {
    print!("{message_prefix}");
    io::stdout().flush().expect("Unexpected error when trying to flush the buffer");

    let mut input = String::new();
    io::stdin().read_line(&mut input)
        .expect("Failed to read line");
    
    let result: f32 = input.trim()
        .parse()
        .expect_or("Invalid Number Provided", 0.0)
        .unwrap();
    
    if type_of_output == "number" {
        Ok(result)
    } else {
        Err(input.trim().to_string())
    }
}

all of this code is completely untouched from 2022

its kinda funny looking back on it

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty @valid jetty roieee

[valid jetty]

hii

@deep mulch

[supple whale]

oooooooh that DOF

that fucks

wait no thats bokeh

not just dof

[supple whale]

add some lens abberation to it now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1233149945465536522.webp?size=48&name=cocainewolf

[valid jetty]

this isnt my video lol

but if i were to apply color correction to it i would just do my standard

exposure adjustments + chromatic aberration + lens vignette & distortion + edge softness + pop + shine + diffusion

husk??

this is the whole document

[supple whale]

the galaxy brain on this UI

when a modal opens the rest of the UI shrinks down, and since the app is transparent it looks kinda like a pop-out overlay

[valid jetty]

thats pretty cool

[supple whale]

yeah people need to make more transparent UI apps

the shit it enables u to do is insane

[fleet cedar]

Transparent ui is great yeah

[valid jetty]

😭

[supple whale]

its not even that i'm building transparent UI mica style, it just some small effects that take advantage of it

[fleet cedar]

I have transparent terminal (including nvim), firefox, discord, and vscode (though I don't use vscode)

[supple whale]

nah see that's not what i'm doing

my design doesnt use mica/transparency, instead it uses some effects like transforms, scaling etc to render shit on top of your desktop, while the rest of the UI stays opaque

its just the window itself is transparent underneath, but the UI itself isnt i guess

[lucid trail]

this effect is great, you see it in arc too

[supple whale]

which then lets me do shit like this:

[supple whale]

hm, got any ss's?

i havent seen it in arc

[lucid trail]

popup vs normal

[supple whale]

oh yeah

well i do that on top of the user's desktop

and not the app's own UI

but yeah simmilar principle

[lucid trail]

i did this with css/js once too

[supple whale]

is that a width animation?

how is it so fast wtrf?

but yeah i did smth similar, just it uses a scale rather than width change

because faster :^)

[valid jetty]

i feel like this would look way better if the popup had sinusoidal or quadratic easing rather than elastic

youre going for a very professional and sleek look but the bouncy nature of that animation doesnt sell that

[hoary sluice]

that looks like zed

[lucid trail]

oh i just did away with animations like these entirely

that's an old version of my website

[valid jetty]

you can do cubic-bezier in the animations i guess lol

i see

[hoary sluice]

how are you in canada / honk kong

[lucid trail]

it was written before zed existed lol

[valid jetty]

im in the uk/paraguay

[hoary sluice]

paraguay???

more rosie lore?

[valid jetty]

no i just named a random country lol

i have absolutely no correlation with paraguay

@hoary sluice look at this 😭

[hoary sluice]

what is that

[valid jetty]

i made this back in 2022 for an enmity plugin

its a translation plugin

[lucid trail]

yeah it is width change

however the expanding window is a position fixed box behind the button that transforms accordingly

transitioning width/height with a fixed element is probably faster

[valid jetty]

this stuff is interesting..

[deep mulch]

what's that

@valid jetty acquite LOL!!! 😭 😭 🤣

[hoary sluice]

parental advisory explicit content 🤯

[valid jetty]

idk i liked making gfx stuff a few years back

i dabble in everything

[valid jetty]

IT DOESNT EVEN SAY ACQUITELOL ANYWHERE

[hoary sluice]

rosie does so many things

[valid jetty]

would you believe me if i said i used to make edits several years ago

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ElerCuvwZeY

[dawn ledge]

just like
so its not :3

[dense sand]

does rust have any sort of json parser support

[dawn ledge]

serde is top tier

[dawn ledge]

i mean, deep down we're all a bunch of stupid apes

[dense sand]

i just need json

also does rust have any sort of tui/cli graphics library

ratatui seems promisisng

[lavish frigate]

still serde

serde so good

[dense sand]

i want to build a quick kconfig like app but with jsons

[dawn ledge]

raaaaaaah i LOVE it

[dense sand]

good opportunity to try rust

[lavish frigate]

heard raratui is pretty good, never used it myself

yea serde does anything data de-/serialization

[dawn ledge]

i mean zed is just another brutalist monospaced design

[dawn ledge]

its in the name :^)

[dense sand]

why not deser

[dawn ledge]

that would imply only deserialize smh

[dense sand]

(de)ser

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty if imma make this desugar to lambda calculus imma need an eval function and thats a lot of effort

this is HALF of church true

a quarter of church booleans impl

Expression::new(
    ExpressionKind::Assignment {
        name: Token {
            kind: TokenKind::Identifier,
            value: TokenValue::Identifier(
                "__builtin_selectFirst".to_string(),
            ),
            location,
        },
        parameter: Token {
            kind: TokenKind::Identifier,
            value: TokenValue::Identifier(
                "__builtin_selectFirst_secondParameter".to_string(),
            ),
            location: Rc::clone(&expression.location),
        },

        body: Box::new(Expression {
            kind: ExpressionKind::Identifier {
                token: Token {
                    kind: TokenKind::Identifier,
                    value: TokenValue::Identifier(
                        "__builtin_selectFirst_firstParameter"
                            .to_string(),
                    ),
                    location,
                },
            },
            location: Rc::clone(&expression.location),
        }),
    },
    location,
)

actually i could make the parser parse true x y as x lmaooo

@valid jetty @fleet cedar is that horror

[fleet cedar]

I don't see why that would be the parser's responsibility

[lucid trail]

wait this is just not true

it's using the zed fonts

my sense of time has been super cooked after covid

[hoary sluice]

its not but its easier to do in the parser

and more efficient

[fleet cedar]

That implies that true is something different from a function

[dawn ledge]

i dont like the idea of a parser giving me misinformation

[fleet cedar]

A parser should produce an AST, nothing else

(Well, error reporting too)

[dawn ledge]

yes

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty make Elle compile to spir v and write shaders

Elle will be a shader lang

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/examples/graphics/uv_mango.le#L15-L36

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/examples/graphics/uv_mango.le#L58-L72

[pearl stag]

uv_mango.le: Lines 16-36

    #version 330

    in vec2 fragTexCoord;
    out vec4 finalColor;
    uniform float time;

    void main() {
        vec2 uv = fragTexCoord;
        uv -= vec2(0.5, 0.5);

        float angle = time * 0.3 * 3.14159;
        mat2 rotationMatrix = mat2(cos(angle), -sin(angle),
                                    sin(angle), cos(angle));

        uv *= rotationMatrix;
        uv += vec2(0.5, 0.5);
        finalColor = vec4(uv, 0.0, 1.0);
    }
");

defer rl::unload_shader(shader);

uv_mango.le: Lines 58-72

rl::draw_texture_pro(
    tex,
    Rectangle {
        x = 0, y = 0,
        width = tex.width,
        height = -tex.height
    },
    Rectangle {
        x = 0, y = 0,
        width = tex.width,
        height = tex.height
    },
    Vector2 { x = 0, y = 0 },
    0, WHITE
);

[deep mulch]

no

write a shader in elle

[valid jetty]

yes

[deep mulch]

why is raylib std?

[valid jetty]

YOU COPIED MY __internal_fn THING LMAO

[valid jetty]

actually it doesn’t need to be

[deep mulch]

yeah

[valid jetty]

but it does mean i need to change what things are put into ~/.local/include/elle

i made std in raylib because it imports from an absolute path, that being the stdlib path

but i can just make seperate folder that’s also put in there for stuff like that

[deep mulch]

do

[hazy pine]

is that a λ reference

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty should bool & bool be valid

[hoary sluice]

precisely

[hoary sluice]

i was thinking ok ill just do it like python for now

[valid jetty]

wtf is that how python does it

[hoary sluice]

well it uses __

[valid jetty]

or do you just mean dunder

oh ok

[hoary sluice]

a lot of languages use the keyword builtin

so i did __builtin

[valid jetty]

should make it internal

smh

[hoary sluice]

hurry up

[valid jetty]

yes ofc

0b00000001 & 0b00000001 = 0b00000001

[hoary sluice]

whats the difference between & and && then

[valid jetty]

&& will not compute the rhs if the lhs is false

& will still do bitwise or

[hoary sluice]

but so should &

[valid jetty]

no because & specifically goes through all the bits in both the numbers and performs the AND logic gate on them

[hoary sluice]

& does bitwise so it wont compute rhs if lhs is false cause the output has to be false

[valid jetty]

oh hmmmmm

[hoary sluice]

if the output is the same

you can short it

which is why im asking

@fleet cedar

help

[valid jetty]

i think most languages dont short circuit this

but as ur lang is functional you should

because all values should be lazy anyway

[hoary sluice]

why

on booleans thats just stupid

maybe if theres side effects yea

[hoary sluice]

then theres no reason to have && at all

oh i didnt lex BangEqual

[valid jetty]

with no optimiziations

[valid jetty]

&& is not the same as bitwise and

[hoary sluice]

whats the difference

[valid jetty]

doing 1 && 2 will give a boolean

1 & 2 will give an int

[hoary sluice]

idk if i wanna have any sort of implicit casting

[valid jetty]

actually tbf 1 && 2 will give 2

[hoary sluice]

so youd have to do 1 != 0 && 2 != 0

[valid jetty]

but 1 & 2 will give 2

ok using 1 and 2 as examples was not a good idea

[hoary sluice]

horror

especially on a variable which has no side efects

effects

[valid jetty]

how do you know it doesnt

is it marked as volatile

[hoary sluice]

its pass by value

[valid jetty]

well if you add -O3 it does the correct thing

[hoary sluice]

foo bar != 0 && baz qux != 0

[valid jetty]

qux???

[hoary sluice]

idk i think thats the next one

[valid jetty]

baz

oh

hm

[hoary sluice]

foobar, foo, bar, baz, qux, quux, and others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar

[valid jetty]

i do foo bar baz res x y z in that order

it is NOT res but i just do that

[hoary sluice]

thats crazy

[valid jetty]

😭

[hoary sluice]

aoc reference!!!!!

[valid jetty]

either way u shouldnt be casting to an int yeah

because logical and doesnt work like that

[hoary sluice]

oh i thought it meant when a body is fouled up beyond any recognition

[valid jetty]

"A" && "B" == "B"

null && "B" == null

it doesnt convert to bool but it does check for their equality

[hoary sluice]

ok you cannot use && on strings theres no way im doing that

[valid jetty]

you can

[hoary sluice]

thats so unintuitive i dont wanna include that

why does it return B

[valid jetty]

do it..

[valid jetty]

because it short circuits you can use it to do computations and get a value

[hoary sluice]

wait omg are there any scenarios wher its ambiguous whether ! means not or notequal if i use it in place of !=

[hoary sluice]

that is not a good explanation

[valid jetty]

for example in elle's assert function ```rs
fn io::assert(ElleMeta meta, bool condition, string message) {
if !condition {
let parsed = message || "No additional information was specified.";

    io::eprintln(
        meta.caller, ": Assertion '", meta.exprs[0], "' failed.\n",
        parsed.color("italic").reset()
    );

    libc::abort();
}

}

if these were casted to bool you would just get `parsed` as `true` lol

(|| is just the opposite case of && so it still applies)

any self respecting language lets you do this with logical ops

idk exactly what its called but im pretty sure at the very least js and python do this

[hoary sluice]

should i use @ for imply gate

[hoary sluice]

a being true implies b is true

[hoary sluice]

oh thats cool

then what does && do

if message is not empty use the one on the rhs?

[valid jetty]

you can use it like if statements

[hoary sluice]

how

you mean use it inside if statements?

[valid jetty]

fn foo(x) {
    let res = x && y();
}
``` is almost exactly equal to
```rs
fn foo(x) {
    let res;

    if x {
        res = y();
    }
}

[hoary sluice]

do i make exponentiation with ^^

or **

[valid jetty]

or well rather more like x && (let res = y());

[hoary sluice]

^ is xor

[valid jetty]

**

[hoary sluice]

why almost

[hoary sluice]

does elle use **

[valid jetty]

elle doesnt have exponentiation built in

its in the math module

[hoary sluice]

thats kinda confusing to read

oh ok

[valid jetty]

the only way i can think to explain this well is in react

function MyThing({ shouldRender }) {
    return <>
        <h1>Hello world!</h1>
        {shouldRender && <h2>foobar</h2>}
    <>;
}

[hoary sluice]

does rust have int.max_value

[valid jetty]

yes

[hoary sluice]

how

[valid jetty]

i32::MAX

[hoary sluice]

found it

[valid jetty]

and i32::max_value() but thats deprecated

also what is the imply gate in a real language lol

a @ b == !a || b?

[hoary sluice]

i dont know any that use it

and ive never personally had to use it

[valid jetty]

why are you adding it then nyaboom~6

[hoary sluice]

cause its funny

[valid jetty]

oh wow i was right

[hoary sluice]

Ok(Value::Integer(l.checked_pow(r as u32).ok_or(
    Error::new(ErrorKind::Overflow, operator.location.clone()),
)?))

is there no i128.pow

i128.pow(i128)

[valid jetty]

pow takes u32 no matter the type it operates on

[hoary sluice]

so i have to implement pow myself now??

[valid jetty]

bestie when are you EVER gonna want to take the exponent where the exponent is a 128 bit number

[hoary sluice]

[valid jetty]

yes give me 2^170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,727

-statements dreamed up by the utterly insane

[hoary sluice]

give me 1^whatever

i dont wanna cast as u32 cause i think that panics

[valid jetty]

you can do u32::try_from(r)

and handle the error

[hoary sluice]

and if i safe cast to u32 its gonna give wrong answer or error for no reason if the exponent is larger than u32 but the output fits in i128

also what about negative numbers why do u need to explicitly check and do sqrt instead of pow calling sqrt

[valid jetty]

if the exponent is larger than u32 the answer will either be completely incorrect or it will round to 0

[hoary sluice]

why

im using integers

[valid jetty]

(anything bigger than 1 -> the number will be too huge and will just cause like signed overflow)
(anything between 0 and 1 -> the number will become so small it will just round to 0)

[hoary sluice]

the only case where it doesnt overflow is 0 and 1 and there casting as u32 will throw an error for no reason

[hoary sluice]

1^anything is 1

[valid jetty]

you have to remember u32 max size is 4.3 billion

[hoary sluice]

wdym itll round to 0

its an integer

[valid jetty]

thats only for exactly 1

[hoary sluice]

yes

[valid jetty]

ok whatever

[hoary sluice]

thats my point

im just gonna check for 0 and 1 then

[valid jetty]

you can do signed power on floats

[hoary sluice]

im working with ints rn

[valid jetty]

float.powi(i32) or float.powf(f64)

[valid jetty]

i know

but if you really want to use a non u32 exponent

[hoary sluice]

is it more idiomatic in rust to use match everywhere or if let else for options

[valid jetty]

for options specifically??

[hoary sluice]

can i do f64 exponent

[valid jetty]

you can but only on float types

[hoary sluice]

and for results where im only checking one error type

ok good

[valid jetty]

i usually use the idiomatic methods rust provides you

i dont typically match

but i do use let Some

specifically let Some(x) = foo else {} is cool

without if

[hoary sluice]

huhhh

[valid jetty]

you can do this

fn main() {
    let Some(x) = Some(39) else { panic!("wow..") }
}

take a value out but keep it in the same scope

but also things such as unwrap_or_else, map_or_else, is_some_and, is_none_or

very idiomatic i love them

map_or_else is by far my fav

it lets me do .map.unwrap_or_else in 1 function call

Option::as_ref(ty)
    .map_or_else(|| name.into(), |ty| format!("{name}({})", ty.display()))

map if its some, otherwise give me name.into()

VERY useful

[hoary sluice]

whats the difference between unwrap or else and unwrap or i still dont understand

why would you ever want eager evaluation

[valid jetty]

unwrap_or expects a new Option<T>

[hoary sluice]

no

[valid jetty]

oh wait

[hoary sluice]

on result

[valid jetty]

i see

[hoary sluice]

is that a result of backwards compatibility

[valid jetty]

unwrap_or is best for when the value is just a variable

[hoary sluice]

yes i know but wyh

why

[valid jetty]

unwrap_or_else is designed for when you wanna call a function

[hoary sluice]

does it exist

is there an advantage to unwrap or

[valid jetty]

because Some(39).unwrap_or(3) is more performant than Some(39).unwrap_or_else(|| 3)

it doesnt need to make the closure

clippy will tell you to use unwrap_or_else when the unwrap_or expr you passed calls any function

[hoary sluice]

ok