🪅-progaming

[placid cape]

but i'll do everything

because they just don't know how to do it lol

[hoary sluice]

yea luckily i got to do software by myself

[placid cape]

i'm on a gymnasium and there's not a lot of people interested in this

[hoary sluice]

i thought u were in a technical high school

[placid cape]

nah i don't have reason for it tbh

[hoary sluice]

Well my reason was gymnasium is boring

[placid cape]

i have some friends on technical high schools

[hoary sluice]

Like biology and stuff

[placid cape]

and i know everything

[hoary sluice]

Gender studies

[placid cape]

i wouldn't learn anything and i would just waste time traveling every day 1/1.5 hours

[hoary sluice]

Oh yeah commuting is not nice I have to go 40 minutes one way

[placid cape]

yeah that's boring but for example in biology we have a teacher that just doesnt care

[hoary sluice]

But I think it's worth it because the school actually isn't that boring

[placid cape]

and if the school is good and you actually learn something that's perfect

[hoary sluice]

Like in a gymnasium I would have learned nothing here at least I learned how hardware works

[placid cape]

because in my case i would waste 4 years

[hoary sluice]

And I can also get a good software job right after matura because it's a technical school

[placid cape]

yeah that's true

[hoary sluice]

Only really matters for 2 years tho because I'm doing a bachelor anyways

[placid cape]

i had an opportunity to work at dell

but well... i didnt have time to submit the application because i was at a competition in the national round :d

(i won)

[hoary sluice]

thats one hell of an excuse

working at dell sounds really boring tho

[placid cape]

probably idk

I'll try to find something after the voice assistant

it's always good to have some income

now I have money from mods I'm making for creators, modrinth ko-fi etc...

[hoary sluice]

youre already set up in life bro

your portfolio is amazing and you have another 1-2 years to work on it

[placid cape]

thank you

anyways I'm gonna sleep so good night and good luck tomorrow :)

you'll tell us if everything went okay

[hoary sluice]

gn

[valid jetty]

sometimes i wonder how youre 16 lmfao

[formal belfry]

so much red in chat

[hoary sluice]

sometimes i wonder how youre 16 lmfao

ok actually hyro has a better portfolio

doesnt change the fact that you have way too much stuff on yours for a 16 year old

[valid jetty]

i guess the "there will always be someone better than you at everything you do" is true lol

[hoary sluice]

well its more that hyro has a lot of recruiter friendly stuff on it

like all his competitions

[valid jetty]

fair enough

[hoary sluice]

you have elle and ur discord stuff which is less impressive for a recruiter

[valid jetty]

maybe i should put my aoc achievements on my gh profile idk

[hoary sluice]

maybe i should put the winner of the kotlin lb on my actual profile not just the aoc readme

[valid jetty]

oh right the people who beat you were disqualified for using ai lol

[hoary sluice]

yea i was like #4 with 2 ai users and 1 guy who was already on another leaderboard ahead of me

[deep mulch]

@hoary sluice disqualified

[hoary sluice]

alex steele ai

andrex stratman also winner

roman elizarov is a kotlinc dev

[formal belfry]

krill issue

[valid jetty]

iirc i was slightly ahead in the 1v1 lb right

[hoary sluice]

ex project lead for kotlin

[hoary sluice]

ye

[placid cape]

well and I have a lot of open source shit

And contributing to open source

[hoary sluice]

ol yeah that too

i have 0 open source contributions

[placid cape]

Yea do it

And feel free to put it into CV

[valid jetty]

eagely how nervous were you during aoc

[placid cape]

it's still some sort of a competition

[valid jetty]

like during the solve

[deep mulch]

I wanted to kill

@valid jetty

[hoary sluice]

really nervous on the easy days (especially day 1 and 16) and kinda a little during the hard days like an hour and a half in

esp when the leaderboard wasnt filled yet an hour an and i was rly close

[valid jetty]

that’s so real

[placid cape]

if you have CV make something like this

[hoary sluice]

like i almost got the registers on lb

[formal belfry]

how obvious was it

[hoary sluice]

very

he had like 40 second solves i think

[placid cape]

if this was about you and me i totally disagree because we both focus on a different stuff (if I'm not counting a programming language)

[hoary sluice]

they wouldnt disqualify him if it wasnt really obvious

[placid cape]

lmao

definitely ai

[hoary sluice]

yea ur a lot more focused on resume

[placid cape]

I started really focusing on portfolio only few months ago

[hoary sluice]

Like using AI in aoc is generally ok and allowed but not for 40 second solves

[hoary sluice]

Hes #5 global lb

overall

[deep mulch]

me being unable to solve in 4+ hours and having to resort to AI

[valid jetty]

I am logical and dedicated to the work I do. I primarily spend my time programming, but I have dabbled in various skills, programming and more. I can program, which means I can write code in any language given a little bit of exposure, as the core skill of programming can be expressed in any environment. I have experience in Rust, TypeScript, Python, C, Objective-C, C#, etc. but my knowledge lies deeper, as I can think logically and solve the problem, no matter the situation. I also love working with teams, and I have contributed to open-source software in the past. I can also draw, write music, animate, make 3D models, and I'm studying Japanese.

a draft i wrote recently but i have yet to actually fill the cv with all my experience

[placid cape]

but before I just really enjoyed contributing to open source and doing everything open source because I think it's the best thing - collaboration

[hoary sluice]

wait maybe they didnt disqualify him cause of ai

he has no kotlin on has github let alone aoc in kotlin lol

[deep mulch]

oh Rosie my Rosie

[valid jetty]

i was literally sobbing when i didn’t get lb on the robot keypad one which ended up not even being close i spent like 1h 56m on it

[placid cape]

I think this should be in a motivation letter instead of CV

[hoary sluice]

im stealing this

[valid jetty]

it’s meant to be the top of the cv

like very quick info about what i can do

[placid cape]

yea okay

[deep mulch]

😭

[hoary sluice]

zoot remember when u beat me on i think day 25

[valid jetty]

i’m not kidding i was crying and shaking so bad it was horrible

that’s why im scared to do more competitive programming stuff

the robot one SUCKED

[hoary sluice]

i didnt care that much this time because i knew it was full of ai, and i didnt care that much last time because i knew i wasnt good at hard problems yet

[hoary sluice]

yup

[deep mulch]

I had to ask AI for ideas or something

[valid jetty]

iirc eagely beat me because i said something about dp but didn’t implement it yet and eagely implemented the dp before me

that was quite unfortunate

[hoary sluice]

nah that was like 2 mins

[placid cape]

I should also adjust my CV and add short quick info

[deep mulch]

h

[hoary sluice]

pretty sure u beat me

[deep mulch]

idk

[valid jetty]

i took 1h 56m on that day iirc

[deep mulch]

I sucked compared to everyone else here

[placid cape]

rn I only have experience, projects, skills, education, certifications

[valid jetty]

yeah

1h 56m 51s

[valid jetty]

yeah it’s a good idea i think

[hoary sluice]

oh

i have 1h50

[placid cape]

I'll do that and then write the motivation letter

[hoary sluice]

1h53 p2

[valid jetty]

YOU BEAT ME BY 3 MINS??

[hoary sluice]

i need a resume like 3 weeks ago but still havent done it

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hi

[hoary sluice]

doesnt rly matter u still won overall lol

[valid jetty]

what was the one when i accidentally revealed what i wanted to do and you did it faster than me by like 10 mins because i didn’t implement it yet

i don’t think it was d21 because i don’t remember it being that close

[deep mulch]

aoc 2025 gonna actually kill me from a panic attack or something

[valid jetty]

hi

[hoary sluice]

3 bit one maybe?

[placid cape]

btw I think you're just taking AoC really seriously. honestly, the fact that you can even solve it on your own in a reasonable time is awesome. i mean, keep pushing and improving, but don’t feel bad when something happens :D

[deep mulch]

building a device to harvest rosies intelligence for myself

[hoary sluice]

i did d17 in 1h22

[deep mulch]

why is my channel list vibrating

[valid jetty]

i did it in 1h 06m

[hoary sluice]

the end is near

[hoary sluice]

i think it was d21 then

was ur p2 1h56?

[valid jetty]

lol yeah the problem isn’t that it’s that i get really nervous under pressure

[valid jetty]

yes

[hoary sluice]

then dont

[valid jetty]

both were 1h56 with a 9 sec difference

[hoary sluice]

oh yea that was the one where skye leaked p2

[valid jetty]

because i think by that point somebody else already solved it so i knew what p2 was

yeah

[hoary sluice]

and i messed up the delta cause of u32 - u64

[placid cape]

but there's no reason to be under pressure - yeah, you want to be fast, but sometimes this can be your disadvantage

[hoary sluice]

its so nervous cause of u

[valid jetty]

it’s coming

[hoary sluice]

u beat me on day 19

[valid jetty]

yeah but i can’t tell myself to just not be under pressure when there definitely is pressure

[hoary sluice]

that d1 is still so sad

[valid jetty]

omg wait @hoary sluice i remember d17 it was the one i brute forced and got rank 292 anyway lmfao

[hoary sluice]

yes u can thats what i do

[valid jetty]

i did it without a real solution in code

[deep mulch]

rosie solving before i can even finish input parsing

[hoary sluice]

that wasnt brute force

[valid jetty]

i remember i was trying to explain to zoot how i did it

[hoary sluice]

that was the intended solution

[valid jetty]

whattt

how

[deep mulch]

rosie is an alien

[placid cape]

my d1 is 2 hours :d

[hoary sluice]

this year i just told myself idc abt lb but itd be nice to get on it

[valid jetty]

beat me by a lot i spent 6 mins on the whole d1

which seems like a lot but i was completely unprepared lmfao

[hoary sluice]

well i had everything configured and i think i predicted input parsing for day 1

[valid jetty]

i had to setup my aoc environment

[placid cape]

this year I want to wake up early to actually have normal times lol

[hoary sluice]

wait no i didn't thats what took the longest

[valid jetty]

(make a python file and write code)

[deep mulch]

i love immeditly being overwhelmed by the problem and getting stressed and unable to think at all

[hoary sluice]

next year global lb is out of the question unless its a really hard day

[deep mulch]

a good bit of the days just gave me straight up migraines

[valid jetty]

even then it’s out of the question

[placid cape]

I'm curious how they'll solve the AI problem

[valid jetty]

we had plenty of those this year and we couldn’t get lb on them xd

[deep mulch]

no headache 15 minutes and i have a migraine

[placid cape]

but it's probably unsolvable

[valid jetty]

make the problem so hard that even with an llm you can’t solve it

[hoary sluice]

and if its a hard day then people like jonathan, nthistle, ecnerwala, neil wu, and 67 other chinese people will solve it first

[valid jetty]

like the twisted wires one

[valid jetty]

yeah exactly what i was saying

[hoary sluice]

that is word for word what i wanted to say before i elaborated

[valid jetty]

lmao

[hoary sluice]

however next year i have no school

🙂

[placid cape]

yeah.. we'll see I guess

[valid jetty]

as much as i got a ton of dopamine when i got global lb on a day, i think this year i have more important things to worry about lol

[hoary sluice]

i lost a little bit of time this year by having school

not as much as last year tho

[valid jetty]

it was a nice christmas present to get points on day 25 tho lol

[hoary sluice]

i wanna get another top 5 on kotlin lb

[placid cape]

yeah that was my first day on global lb :D

[hoary sluice]

also they promised merch and it still hast arrived and its almost may

[valid jetty]

do u think the ai problem will be worse this year

[placid cape]

merch??

[valid jetty]

[placid cape]

hmm

[hoary sluice]

u beat my overall global score on the last day

[valid jetty]

i got points on d16 too but tbh this was my first year where i was anywhere near close enough to competing

[hoary sluice]

wdym

[valid jetty]

like

harder problems will become solvable by ai

[hoary sluice]

oh

meh

a little maybe

theyve been lobotomizing ai and faking stats lately

[valid jetty]

ai is way better now for coding than it was in december 2024

oh hm

interesting

[placid cape]

Yes

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty is an ai

[hoary sluice]

not for problem solving

not that much

[deep mulch]

rosie is the perfect ai

[hoary sluice]

it can do problems its seen before

really really well

[valid jetty]

did we even have a reasoning model available in dec2024

[placid cape]

reasoning models are way better now

[hoary sluice]

yes o1

[placid cape]

but o1 is shit

[hoary sluice]

i used o1 in october in the cloudflight coding contest

[placid cape]

and if you provide enough context and even communicate with them... we'll see?

[cinder egret]

programmers when entry level jobs are completely swept up by ai and harvard graduates in two years:

[hoary sluice]

did 4 levels in 9 mins first in the world to lvl 4 and then failed level 5 over the next 3h51m

[cinder egret]

[valid jetty]

it probably will fail, but i still think it’ll be more likely to solve problems

[placid cape]

Do you need to have some specific kotlin template or is it enough to just write solutions in kotlin?

[hoary sluice]

it wont solve day 17

[cinder egret]

at least in 40 years they might have a chance at a senior dev position

[hoary sluice]

just solutions in kotlin but anyone who wins the leaderboard has a template and extensive utils

nvm i lied andrej stratman doesn't have utils and still won

[valid jetty]

this is exactly why when someone says “should i learn to code in 2025” i always say “YES ABSOLUTELY”

people will become so brainrotted by ai and vibe coding that software engineers will be unable to think for themselves and actually write code which develops society

at which point companies will start hiring devs without ai experience and you, the person who actually put time and effort into learning instead of cheating, will get hired instead of the vibe coders

at least that’s my hypothesis but it seems likely in my head

[placid cape]

vibe coding is a joke

[valid jetty]

vibe coding may be a joke but people using ai to code for them is not a joke

[cinder egret]

except companies want to go full in on ai because it can only benefit them

[hoary sluice]

it works for school projects nothing more

[hoary sluice]

thats what they think

[cinder egret]

fails? back to normal. doesn’t fail? profits up even higher

[hoary sluice]

its becoming pretty obvious that there is are no real advancements in ml other than longer reasoning and more gpus

[valid jetty]

until the software breaks horribly in a dumpster fire and nobody has any idea how to fix it because the code was all generated by ai

[cinder egret]

there will come a point in time where there’s no future for any programmer in a programming field except the ones that got in 20 years ago

[valid jetty]

at which point actual software engineers come in

[hoary sluice]

theres still sysadmin and making ur own thing and neither of those will ever disappear no matter what

and cybersecurity

[supple whale]

@xhayper/discord-rpc is so fucking bloated its insane, but its the only discord rpc lib i could find that's remotely stable

[valid jetty]

and being a developer on a team who makes ais

[hoary sluice]

i can imagine slave react coder jobs will disappear

[supple whale]

i wish there was an export that didnt have all this garbage opted-in

[cinder egret]

the future seems like ai with the assistant of senior devs. ai will someday completely replace entry level devs and it’ll be like normal: the ai does most of the work and the senior devs check that work

[valid jetty]

you’re not gonna be able to vibe code vibe coding

[hoary sluice]

so math researcher

[cinder egret]

this seems like the best career option for a programmer tbh

at least in the current climate

it’ll only get harder and harder

[placid cape]

i think that using ai at all isn't bad if you want to work faster and just boost your effectivity but prompting without understanding a.k.a vibe coding is pointless

[low fable]

While I don't mind AI being used for ideas n shit but christ... I don't like how its being used to replace actual people in jobs.

[hoary sluice]

from what ive tried to do its way faster to just write it urself or with copilot than vibe code and check it

[low fable]

^^^^

[hoary sluice]

and way less boring

[cinder egret]

in the current state? absolutely

[hoary sluice]

and it wont improve much

[cinder egret]

but companies are developing specific AIs for their specific products

[hoary sluice]

theres no advancement in ml

only more gpu longer reasoning

more beautiful ui

[valid jetty]

yeah, because the problem is that while junior engineers may be less experienced they have the brain capacity to comprehend a codebase with 30 years of technical debt in 6 languages with 400,000 lines of code, which an ai cannot do

that’s my main point

ai is good on paper, humans are able to actually handle big codebases though

[hoary sluice]

yop try putting ai in our java backend with like a million loc and see it fail miserably

[deep mulch]

rosie is brainrotted

[frosty obsidian]

i care about how the training data is obtained

[deep mulch]

wing secretly vibe coded gloom

[hoary sluice]

zoot is an ai

[valid jetty]

i wonder

[hoary sluice]

hey chatgpt send the most random shit in discord

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian i give ai gloom as training data

[cinder egret]

i just think it’s only a matter of time at this point until it’s all almost completely replaced. i know a few different senior software engineers that also think this. professors all over are also thinking this. it’s hard to really say that there will be much of a future for the entry level developer in the near future. which is exactly why i stacked up on other skills that will never be replaced by ai, at least not within a few decades. working as a programmer for an ai company seems like the most likely future position, or working for just about any company helping them build their business specific AIs

[deep mulch]

YAP

[valid jetty]

@valid jetty do you think it’s possible to train an llm purely on a specific document and then create an ultra mega quality autocomplete tool

WHY DID IT PING ME

@hoary sluice

[low fable]

pretty much yeah

[hoary sluice]

yea obv but whats the point

[cinder egret]

the future seems rather… gloomy

[valid jetty]

that’s why i’m also studying textiles

[placid cape]

and junior engineers will have to adapt - using ai to boost their productivity, but not to let ai think instead of them

[valid jetty]

if i can’t get a job as a programmer i can get one making cute clothes

which ai will never replace

[hoary sluice]

like i said, ai can only replace js react devs

[deep mulch]

true

[hoary sluice]

try vibe coding cpu architecture

[valid jetty]

it’s true

[hoary sluice]

or a compiler

[cinder egret]

you’re in a great position because you deeply care about learning new things and don’t dive into only broad topics. this is how anyone in programming should be rn

[deep mulch]

ai would leave in so many vulnerabilities in a low level program

[low fable]

honestly I was thinking of a job somewhere there, but later I lost interest in it, rather not lose my job to AI tbh

[cinder egret]

you absolutely need that backup plan for something that’s only going downhill recently

[deep mulch]

@cinder egret

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty will make a vibe coded saas

[cinder egret]

because if not someday you’ll literally just be stuck and have to start from square one again

[valid jetty]

i tried to ask an ai how to do a thing i was too lazy to google and it gave me a crate 3 major versions outdated with 15 lines of very incorrect rust code

[frosty obsidian]

im about 50% sure its a bubble

[valid jetty]

it was honestly quite funny how miserably it failed on non-js output

[hoary sluice]

my plan A is sysadmin i think thats good enough of a backup plan

[cinder egret]

companies will do anything to save on some money

[deep mulch]

rosie will be replaced by ai

[low fable]

was it smth like deepseek or openai's models

[frosty obsidian]

only to a point

[valid jetty]

what’s your point

so would humans

[placid cape]

nowadays the problem is that new programmers don't actually learn, they just prompt because they can and that's the problem

[low fable]

ive seen ppl test o3-mini's code and its scaringly good .-.

[hoary sluice]

nop

not as many

[dawn ledge]

mae your own company

[deep mulch]

i was just proving your point 😭

[valid jetty]

yeah this is true

[deep mulch]

rosie insane

[hoary sluice]

its garbage ive been using o3 mini high for a long time

[valid jetty]

that’s why i try to use ai as little as possible

[cinder egret]

cutting down on devs and using ai for more entry level stuff with senior developers checking that work is very beneficial to any company (at least someday when ai gets better)

[low fable]

ah

[dawn ledge]

anyone who thinks ai written code is "scarily good" doesnt write anythign beyond basic shit

[valid jetty]

the more i give into ai the more it becomes a commodity and i lose valuable knowledge in programming

[placid cape]

yeah, beyond react app and frontend

[low fable]

not just that, ai images are getting ultra realistic too.

[hoary sluice]

i downgraded like a year of learning with ai

[supple whale]

hmmmm, few too many connections

[hoary sluice]

so what

[dawn ledge]

dont get me started on ai images

as an art lover along side a programmer i absolutely despise ai image generation

[low fable]

I dont mind it, but I can see it being used for misleading stuff

[frosty obsidian]

agreed

[deep mulch]

ai images only good for some funny stuff

[frosty obsidian]

nop

[dawn ledge]

speaking as if its not happening already

[cinder egret]

could be a bubble like wing says and it may pop within a few years but even so, there’s so many people jumping into programming and more and more every year so the field has been decreasing even without ai being taken into account

[low fable]

I mainly just used ai images for visuals and some ideas tbh

[frosty obsidian]

trained on stolen images

[hoary sluice]

u can use photoshop for misleading stuff

[deep mulch]

wing insane

[low fable]

well duh

[placid cape]

i use ai for name ideas 😅

[cinder egret]

what if my pfp was ai @frosty obsidian

[low fable]

saaame xd

[hoary sluice]

it will pop before 2026

[cinder egret]

i use ai for very niche issues that i stumble upon that only has one single post from two decades ago

[frosty obsidian]

people when i tell them that image generation ais are trained on stolen works (they care more about unfunny jokes)

[low fable]

exactly

[deep mulch]

wing sees a funny ai image and throws his phone as hard as possible and has a temper tantrum

[low fable]

real

[dawn ledge]

steal my very sophisticated technique of ||looking up a word that best describes the program and using an obsure synonym||

[frosty obsidian]

i think artists shouldn't have shit stolen

[valid jetty]

my ai prompting in question:

[cinder egret]

unlikely considering all of the money being poured in rn but maybe a couple more years

[valid jetty]

english is hard ok

[cinder egret]

it’s 2025

[deep mulch]

theres a difference between trying to pass off an image as art and just messing around

[hoary sluice]

look at the stock market

[frosty obsidian]

nop

[deep mulch]

yop

[dawn ledge]

?remind me in 1 year eagley prediction

[delicate grove]

Alright @dawn ledge, in 1 year: eagley prediction

[frosty obsidian]

the ai still stole the images

[placid cape]

combining elements from periodic table is also a nice technique :Dd

[hoary sluice]

s&p 500 down over 20%

[frosty obsidian]

doesn't matter what the use is

[valid jetty]

or ask me for names ❤️

[low fable]

to be fair the ai was like trained on a ton of images

[hoary sluice]

ai isnt helping it

[cinder egret]

what does that have to do with ai 😭

[valid jetty]

i will pick like 8 good flowers you can call your project

[cinder egret]

investors want to see ai

[frosty obsidian]

a company stole the works of tons of artists

[cinder egret]

it’s the investors that are the reason it’s become so popular

[deep mulch]

if its an image of an actual artwork that sucks

[frosty obsidian]

no matter what the end user does with it

[cinder egret]

it might be a bubble but investors won’t let go anytime soon

[dawn ledge]

investers want to see whatever the new hostness in the market is

[frosty obsidian]

its ethically wrong

[dawn ledge]

you invent catgirls and all investors will want catgirls in your producy

[hoary sluice]

the growth has stagnated,it should be recovering cause of ai, it isnt

[cinder egret]

joe biden invented cat girls

[deep mulch]

we need to go back to when the black plague was around

[low fable]

to be fair, it steals basically everything off of the internet

[placid cape]

it's almost 1am and I have to wake up at 6 so yeah good night #3

[low fable]

cya

[hoary sluice]

they will once they realize its all slop and no advancements are being made other than ui changes and model renaming

[cinder egret]

what if cat girls became the next big thing and they were in your phone @deep mulch

[frosty obsidian]

i hate that too

[hoary sluice]

same gn

[low fable]

fair

[frosty obsidian]

im against chat ais for the same reasons

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian theres a good chance ai has gloom in its training data

do you love

[frosty obsidian]

its just stealing from writers instead of artists

[deep mulch]

wing cant sleep at night cause of ai

[cinder egret]

100% does

[hoary sluice]

and now stackexchange is slop

[dawn ledge]

the "ai is gonna take your job" only applies to the programming tier consisting of repetitive and deterministic tasks
there's a reason why you have xyz ai software that generates websites or writes discord bots instead of an ai tool that writes stuff like libavformat or libavcodec

[low fable]

generally I don't mind AI itself. I use it sometimes for ideas and visuals, but mostly to fuck around lol

[valid jetty]

i cant wait for the ai slop to finally go away and for ai to just become a glorified search engine and thats when i think society has won

[deep mulch]

stackexchange has always been kinda slop

[low fable]

who hasn't used stack exchange for programming help

[cinder egret]

i use ai often for niche things like i said and i think it’s not a bad thing when used as a tool for assistance and not as a tool to do everything for you

[hoary sluice]

yup

[deep mulch]

i try to avoid it

[hoary sluice]

ai will never take my job

[valid jetty]

lol yeah exactly

[hoary sluice]

tell an ai to configure a firewall on openbsd

[valid jetty]

thats why i try to go into topics that arent easily covered by ai

[formal belfry]

opens programming channel and immediately see ai discussion

[frosty obsidian]

i would be fine with ai if it was trained ethically and wasn't rotting people's brains

[deep mulch]

ai knows everything about wing

[dawn ledge]

ai spam so bad anubis had to be invented
linux kernel got anime chibi loading screen before gta 6

[valid jetty]

how do you train an ai to do reverse engineering work

like

[cinder egret]

you rot my brain

[placid cape]

stackexchange wants perfect questions and perfect answers. that's all.

[low fable]

yeah basically it started off with ai and programming and then moved onto AI as a whole xd

[valid jetty]

i can understand it, an ai couldnt do it

[dawn ledge]

ai reverse engineering? more like ai hallucination

[valid jetty]

yeah exactly

[placid cape]

that's real

[deep mulch]

i hate the reputation thing

[valid jetty]

ok lets end the ai talk and start discussing rust compiler internals instead

who wants to start

[deep mulch]

NO

[formal belfry]

or rust in general

i love rust

i wanna use it more but idk what to use it for

[valid jetty]

make a language

[low fable]

tbh ive always wondered how programming languages are made

[formal belfry]

aside from creating shitty appkit thing with unfinished bindings

[placid cape]

time to sleep rosie

[dawn ledge]

lets discuss rewriting ffmpeg internals in pure rust cause im sick of whatever this c-pilled api is

[valid jetty]

you should learn !!!

its fun !!!!!

[deep mulch]

do

[valid jetty]

its only midnight

i have a practical report to finish

[placid cape]

^^^^^

[dawn ledge]

you gotta help

[formal belfry]

I already make a swift interpreter for the web no thanks

[placid cape]

when do you wake up

[deep mulch]

rust make head hurt

[hoary sluice]

hi chatgpt please implement a maybe monad in icypeas

[valid jetty]

6:00am

[formal belfry]

rosie.sleep

[deep mulch]

im rosie pilled

[dawn ledge]

i can probably slave away and write parsers for the formats
but any real functionality that ffmpeg has (like remuxing, transcoding, transrating, filters, etc) will need intensive work

[cinder egret]

but then you remember how humans have dreamt of and also hated the future of robots taking over tedious tasks and then you remember that to companies, ai development is a step towards this. as an investor, you want this to happen because it’ll maximize your profits. investors in particular will never let go of this fantasy because they want to make money. the ai bubble may pop before then and that’s likely but it’ll be a very long time until investors give it up

[deep mulch]

yapp

[dawn ledge]

ffmpeg supports like 500 formats and 500 codecs (both are different)

[placid cape]

you'll really learn a lot by making a custom language

[formal belfry]

@deep mulch

[cinder egret]

especially when companies like tesla are showcasing fake robots

[deep mulch]

@formal belfry

[cinder egret]

investors wet dream

they want that to happen lol

[hoary sluice]

its actually suprisingly simple (at least a basic language)

[deep mulch]

rosie yaps too much

[valid jetty]

zoot likes wearing cute clothes while drinking monster and being mentally unstable while also spending an unhealthy amount of time programmjing

[low fable]

huh nice

[formal belfry]

@cinder egret wanna see this cool quantum computer i made its called majora's mask

[dawn ledge]

we've had robots since forever, if you want to talk about manually controlled or stupid ones

[valid jetty]

yep its true

i learnt so much of what i know today

[cinder egret]

but people want to see real true intelligent robots and will do anything for this even if most are scared of it

[placid cape]

yeah, it might seem hard and you'll probably end up rewriting it multiple times but it's worth it

[hoary sluice]

theyre gonna give up if noone can deliver anymore, same as the .com bubble, its a massive pyramid

[low fable]

huh!!!

[cinder egret]

especially investors who pour millions into companies

[low fable]

nice

[hoary sluice]

its literally just pets.com all over again

[low fable]

I mean to be honest, I don't mind re-learning some programming

[dawn ledge]

wrote this grabage today

ai will never replace rust devs cause rust so bad

[low fable]

I mean Im good with css and html writing, just bad at styling lmfao

[valid jetty]

it seems like really complicated at first but once you make a basic compiler and get a basic program to compile youll see how easy it is to extend it and add more things

like its surprisingly easy

[low fable]

Yeee

[placid cape]

tbh it's not really about writing the code itself but about structuring and problem solving

[valid jetty]

true

[low fable]

yeah lmfao

[valid jetty]

elle is full of hacks and im not ashamed to admit it because thats 99% of rust code

[deep mulch]

elle is rusty

[hoary sluice]

fuck you rosie and other rosie yall stealing my sleep

[deep mulch]

rosie feeding on your sleep

it makes sense now

[leaden crater]

so when some random guy thought about the first language -> Autocode happened -> then IPL -> someone screamed recursion and birthed LISP -> ??? -> ALGOLs appeared outta nowhere -> CPL -> BCPL -> yup yup this right here -> C -> then what are we even doing ??? -> corpo got involved -> C++

[valid jetty]

call me 絵希

[dawn ledge]

if you want to do language dev i personally recommend reading some resources on assembly
knowing assembly really helps
even if youre making an interpreted language you'll still have instructions regardless

[low fable]

wow

[placid cape]

like today I refactored whole blom structure because I think I finally came up with an idea how to correctly structure the code

[low fable]

yeah thats cool how shit evolves n shit

I just like it and find it fascinating

[leaden crater]

    1951 – Regional Assembly Language
    1952 – Autocode
    1954 – IPL (forerunner to LISP)
    1955 – FLOW-MATIC (led to COBOL)
    1957 – FORTRAN (first compiler)
    1957 – COMTRAN (precursor to COBOL)
    1958 – LISP
    1958 – ALGOL 58
    1959 – FACT (forerunner to COBOL)
    1959 – COBOL
    1959 – RPG
    1960 – ALGOL 60
    1962 – APL
    1962 – Simula
    1962 – SNOBOL
    1963 – CPL (forerunner to C)
    1964 – Speakeasy
    1964 – BASIC
    1964 – PL/I
    1966 – JOSS
    1966 – MUMPS
    1967 – BCPL (forerunner to C)
    1967 – Logo (an educational language that later influenced Smalltalk and Scratch).

i think this is the mostly full list before C

[valid jetty]

a few weeks ago i split up like 7k lines of code in 2 files into about 20 files

that was fun

[placid cape]

same same

[dawn ledge]

i am tired

[valid jetty]

ai generted

[hoary sluice]

manually flipping switches -> punchcards -> ipl / algol / fortran -> ????? -> reactjs

[valid jetty]

me too and now im also blind

[placid cape]

thanks for light mode

[cinder egret]

https://www.amazon.com/Programming-Lua-Fourth-Roberto-Ierusalimschy/dp/8590379868 read @deep mulch

[leaden crater]

a friend send me it when i asked him why tf he needs algol

[deep mulch]

thats it im makng a punchcard language

[cinder egret]

i bought the second edition book off of ebay for like $10 almost brand new years and years ago

[hoary sluice]

friendly reminder that there are millions of people who unironically use lua

[dawn ledge]

zooter is regressing

[deep mulch]

horrifying

@dawn ledge hiiii

[valid jetty]

2 files,

[low fable]

gmod addon and roblox devs

[valid jetty]

this used to be 2 files

[dawn ledge]

lua isnt really bad for what its meant for, which is basic scripting

[placid cape]

lua is amazing for scripting

[dawn ledge]

hello

[deep mulch]

i hate lua

[placid cape]

exactly

[cinder egret]

awesome book, the devs put a lot of care into it and actually tell people how to use lua (they tell them to ONLY use lua as embedded language as intended)

[low fable]

whats wrong with lua?

[dawn ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-everynyan-azu-manga-daioh-chiyo-chichi-gif-5687258741453617052

[hoary sluice]

lua is terrible for configuring neovim

[placid cape]

but using it outside scripting is a same mistake as using JavaScript on backend

[valid jetty]

it was 7k but i simplifed parts of it

[hoary sluice]

configuring nvim is the only real usecase of lua

[dawn ledge]

i like tokei

[low fable]

I mainly just know lua from gmod addons

[cinder egret]

the thing wrong with lua is that too many people think it's like python or something when it's literally only meant to be used embedded into C-based languages

[leaden crater]

(λx.λy.yx)

[valid jetty]

時計 ❤️

[dawn ledge]

https://github.com/XAMPPRocky/tokei

[low fable]

python is like easier to read and meant to be more simple i think

[leaden crater]

@deep mulch 緑緑

[dawn ledge]

one day i will double down and learn jp

[valid jetty]

oh hey look its clock in japanese

[placid cape]

?remind me rosie cloc in 14 hours

[delicate grove]

Alright @placid cape, in 14 hours: me rosie cloc

[valid jetty]

i usually dont do that because cloc only counts known extensions

[hoary sluice]

is this recursion

[deep mulch]

lambda calculus

[leaden crater]

idk what it is, its from lambda calc

[valid jetty]

i do git ls-files | grep -E '\.le' | xargs wc -l for elle

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty is (λx.λy.yx) recursion

[deep mulch]

watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVA8Nj6HEo

[dawn ledge]

currently reading resources on how to write a media player using libav

[valid jetty]

no recursion is λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x))

[low fable]

interesting thing: who watched animation vs coding

[placid cape]

I'm old school - wc -l $(git ls-files)

[valid jetty]

I DO THAT

[deep mulch]

of course you know this 😭

[valid jetty]

this

[placid cape]

Oh I see

nice

[valid jetty]

look closely at it bestie its literally just the same function applied to itself

[dawn ledge]

well wc -l will also count comments and blank lines

[hoary sluice]

ngl i completely forgot lambda calculus syntax

[hoary sluice]

gn

[valid jetty]

this is the furthest you can beta reduce that expression

[placid cape]

wc -l $(find . -name "*.ext")

[placid cape]

gn

[low fable]

gn

[dawn ledge]

wtf its the 23rd already

where did my april go

[valid jetty]

its the 0 already

[hoary sluice]

nop 1:03

[low fable]

its 6pm for me (or 18:00)

[hoary sluice]

1:04

[placid cape]

1:04

[dawn ledge]

its 8:04am for me

[deep mulch]

itsn ot as simple as you think to me

[dawn ledge]

havent slept yet

[low fable]

around 14 hours ahead of me

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty what does this mean

[placid cape]

2 months and I'll have summer holidays

[low fable]

AAA MATH JUMPSCARE

[leaden crater]

false + 5 や if 3 + 7 then 10 else false

[low fable]

IF AND ELSE STATEMENTS!!!

[valid jetty]

smh

[low fable]

elif and elseif.

[dawn ledge]

photopea jumpscare

[placid cape]

gamma function, tau - 2π, lambda

[valid jetty]

idk lol

[leaden crater]

.psd stands for powershelldebug

[valid jetty]

no more math today

[low fable]

havn't heard of photopea in like forever lmfao

[low fable]

yayy

[valid jetty]

photopea is actually so good

i dont need to install gimp or whatever

i can just quickly open it in my browser and do whatever

i love it

[low fable]

I know its like in your browser

honestly, how easy is it to use?

[valid jetty]

very

easier than photoshop

[low fable]

nicee

[placid cape]

it's good

[low fable]

all i know is

photoshop is overpriced or smth lmfao

[valid jetty]

its my goto editor for making like, any sort of quick draft image

[low fable]

and I also don't really wanna buy anything adobe related

xd

[placid cape]

Adobe product

[dawn ledge]

why buy when you can 🏴‍☠️

[low fable]

yeah..

y e s

but you gotta be careful so you dont download a virus

[deep mulch]

i just discoverd this last week i like it

[placid cape]

reminds me of duolingo

[low fable]

I found photopea from some youtube tutorials lmfao

[valid jetty]

to be fair

[low fable]

from like 3-4 years ago

[valid jetty]

i also work in after effects professionally

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty do you love photo editors with ai everywhere and premium plans and require account

[valid jetty]

soooooo part of my skills apply

[low fable]

noice :p

[low fable]

I do /j

I hate it whenever shit that used to be free just get paywalled

and you need premium thats overpriced per month for it, when you used to use it without paying a singular penny

fuckin hate that shit

[valid jetty]

i mad this for enmity a few years ago but i have a lot more things i made :3

https://imgur.com/pl1QzzB

[low fable]

HUH! nice

made in photopea im guessing?

[dawn ledge]

ae

[valid jetty]

no lol after effects

[low fable]

ahh oke

[valid jetty]

photopea is purely for photo editing

[low fable]

lmfao

[leaden crater]

huh is the icon change so long ago??

[low fable]

I wasn't sure if photopea had like some of those tools n stuff

[valid jetty]

yes

[dawn ledge]

i usually use krita and blender

[deep mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-cute-stare-cat-cat-stare-gif-123175587496084398 @valid jetty

[cinder egret]

rosie thinks a year ago was a few years ago

[dawn ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/caramelldansen-nge-severe-mental-health-issues-mental-health-gif-22228787

[deep mulch]

rosie has lived so few years

[valid jetty]

it was not a year

i think we reused the same one last year

[low fable]

finally i know what tf this is now from the gif's link

been trying to find out what tf it is

https://tenor.com/view/caramelldansen-dancing-anime-happy-gif-16765211

[cinder egret]

@valid jettyfinish enmity v3

[low fable]

wait when tf did i have embed perms

[deep mulch]

2 seconds ago

[valid jetty]

elle..........

[low fable]

oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty elle v3

[cinder egret]

eternal will make billions from this unbound he thinks will be profitable

[valid jetty]

i have the summer holiday purely to work on unbound and make a cute dress

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty i eat dresses

[cinder egret]

it will finish in three years

[valid jetty]

NO

you will not eat it

[cinder egret]

make eternal do the work @valid jetty

[spark tiger]

insane (it's 2am)

[valid jetty]

eternal is busy too lol

[valid jetty]

ai discussion

[cinder egret]

i be the vibe codes..

[valid jetty]

we are NOT vibe coding unbound

that is a sin

[cinder egret]

ai would finish faster

i will vibe code unbound

[valid jetty]

plus it would be very wrong because ai has no idea how to reverse engineer discord

[deep mulch]

do

unbound will fail in 1 year

[cinder egret]

unbound better have 0s loading times and immense plugin support

[deep mulch]

@cinder egret aliucord forever

[valid jetty]

i wonder if vee is able to live purely from gh sponsors

[cinder egret]

vee doesn't live alone so surely

[dawn ledge]

@valid jetty i wrote thsi today

[valid jetty]

WHY SO BRIGHT 😭

[dawn ledge]

i wish i had gh sponsors
but i also dont publish my projects cause i havea chronic problem of never finishing a project and starting another one

[dawn ledge]

sorry i am a light mdoe user!

[valid jetty]

what is this supposed to do

[valid jetty]

i have gh sponsors but no sponsors

[dawn ledge]

a websocket server for my glorified webrtc media plater

[valid jetty]

im fine with that though

[dawn ledge]

its in rust

[cinder egret]

this is enmity and it still has sponsors so you'll be fine

[valid jetty]

interesting

is it supposed to be synced playback then?

[dawn ledge]

yes

[valid jetty]

pretty cool

hello every nyan

[dawn ledge]

had to stop working on my language for this one

[spark tiger]

almost readable

[deep mulch]

BRIGHT

[spark tiger]

oh nvm it loaded finally

[dawn ledge]

yeah thats supposed to be the instance id filled from the discord activity

the frontend rn is jsut for debugging purposes

[deep mulch]

Rosie last name Acquite

I just sponsored acquitelol. Go sponsor your open source dependencies!

[valid jetty]

somebody someday will realize how cool this is

[valid jetty]

what insane

[deep mulch]

[valid jetty]

nyaboom~6

[deep mulch]

it is all i can spare

minky food will have to wait

[dawn ledge]

zeet gathered has last savings

[valid jetty]

zoot about to starve for 2 months

[dawn ledge]

you can starve but minky cant!

[valid jetty]

true !!!

[dawn ledge]

i have probably implemented all the op codes

now i eep

and then later i will cry about implementing the actual media playback

websocket was easy, webrtc will be relatively easy the hard part is hooking stuff up to ffmpeg and dealing with transcoding etc etc

zooter you have worked with ffmpeg bindings

[deep mulch]

i wanna make language @valid jetty

yes

[valid jetty]

make !!

[cinder egret]

zt will learn sysadmin instead

[deep mulch]

ffmpeg api humongus

[dawn ledge]

okay then i will annoy you about this later

[cinder egret]

zt doesn't know how to use grep

[deep mulch]

nopp

[spark tiger]

yippie i got my first c# commission done in just five hours!!

[dawn ledge]

i wanted to write libav in pure rust but its rather impossible for my attention span

[cinder egret]

3,000 pebbles

i can get that at the beach

[valid jetty]

literally just open a project and start writing syntax for your language then open a file in another language and try to tokenize the file @deep mulch

go from there

[dawn ledge]

mink language

cat speak

[deep mulch]

the issue is i really really wanna bootstrap

[valid jetty]

bootstrap later lol

you cant bootstrap with no legacy compiler

[deep mulch]

id probably implement in kotlin though cause its what im best at

[dawn ledge]

[valid jetty]

thats fine lol

[deep mulch]

oh

okay

[spark tiger]

7000 more and i can finally get the shoes i want!

[dawn ledge]

you dont necessarily have to make a compiled language

[valid jetty]

but you have to figure out how to compile that which may prove to be more of a challenge because kt has interesting lambda stuff

[dawn ledge]

you can do an interpreted one

[valid jetty]

yeah that too

[dawn ledge]

crafting interpreters is a good read

lc.g crafting interpreters

[valid jetty]

should i read it

[visual shell]

Crafting Interpreters

-# Book by Robert Nystrom

Earth Day 2025 (images via Google Earth) • Google Search • Page 1/31

[valid jetty]

ive heard of it

[dawn ledge]

you already know so much ;-;

[valid jetty]

people have recommended it

could i learn something from it :3

[deep mulch]

id have to write qbe bindings

i think

[dawn ledge]

anyway gn

[valid jetty]

its pretty easy to write basic ones

[deep mulch]

nini

[valid jetty]

gn !!

[valid jetty]

look in this https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/tree/mistress/src/compiler/lib

[deep mulch]

husk embed

[valid jetty]

these bindings have instructions, functions, data (static things), modules, etc

and its pretty minimal

if you open the files youll see theyre pretty tiny

[deep mulch]

i cant even read the readme

[valid jetty]

lmao horror

[deep mulch]

guhh just use english

[valid jetty]

dont worry the source code is in english

[deep mulch]

wait

[cinder egret]

a japanese person probably looks at this and wonders why there are so many misspells

[deep mulch]

oh i didnt realize this was eelle

eel

rename elle to eel

[valid jetty]

no actually i asked people and its not that bad

i know how to articulate myself at a decent level lol

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty is a nerd

[valid jetty]

yep !!!

[deep mulch]

so i need a compiler, the lexer

[valid jetty]

thats the gimmick

[deep mulch]

what else

[valid jetty]

parser

[deep mulch]

do it parse

[valid jetty]

ichigo does parse yes

[deep mulch]

wheres qbe spec defined

[valid jetty]

https://c9x.me/compile/doc/il.html

it looks daunting but you only need to make bindings for a small subset

at the bottom is a list of all the instructions possible

[deep mulch]

crying

idk how id do this

[valid jetty]

look at how i did it

each instr literally does like

[deep mulch]

this is daunting

[valid jetty]

information overload ya

[valid jetty]

^

take it slower lol

thats what i did with elle, i dreamed up syntax then tried to tokenize it, then tried to parse it

[deep mulch]

guh?

how do i deal with multi char tokens

[valid jetty]

originally i actually wanted to compile elle to erlang's beam bytecode but i ended up going to qbe because its easier

[deep mulch]

like fn

[valid jetty]

you "consume" them

basically like, you have a cursor that points to the current character ur parsing right

[deep mulch]

yes

i consume you

[valid jetty]

when you encounter an ascii letter, you keep running in a loop until the character is no longer an ascii letter

each time you increment the cursor and add the char to a string

by the end you shifted over the size of the multi char thing and you have a string

[deep mulch]

so

wait

[valid jetty]

input = "fn"
cursor = 0

while cursor < len(input):
    if input[cursor].is_ascii():
        res = ""
        while input[cursor].is_ascii():
            res.push(input[cursor])
            cursor += 1

in pseudocode

you usually also do this for whitespace but you dont collect it you just skip it

[deep mulch]

hm

iterator i think automatically advances by 1 when calling nextChar

[valid jetty]

yeah that sounds right

using an iterator is probably a good idea actually because you can peek at the next character

[deep mulch]

oh guh its not in the kotlin iterator stdlib

[valid jetty]

but essentially all the tokenizer does is:

i see whitespace? im just gonna skip all of it
i see ascii? i consume all the ascii until theres no more ascii. is that thing a keyword? i have this keyword token!!!
i see number? consume until no longer a digit. i have a number
i see >? is there an = after? if yes, i have >= !! otherwise, i have > !!

and you just do that for the whole input until you have a bunch of tokens

[deep mulch]

do comments get tokenized or just skipped entirely

[valid jetty]

thats implementation dependent

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty

[valid jetty]

i tokenize it but dont add it to the tokenstream

[deep mulch]

how did i just cause a loop

[valid jetty]

but for comments its a similar thing, i see //? ill consume until i see \n or end of file

[valid jetty]

hm?

[deep mulch]

infinite loop

[valid jetty]

how

[deep mulch]

idk

@valid jetty are you a cat

[valid jetty]

yeah

[valid jetty]

walk through each iteration in your head thats what i do

[deep mulch]

oh i know

hmm

is res supposed to have whitespace

[valid jetty]

nop

[deep mulch]

var cursor = 0

while (cursor < input.length) {
    var res = ""

    while (!input[cursor].isWhitespace()) {
        res += input[cursor]
        cursor++
    }

    when (res) {
        "(" -> add(Token(TokenKind.LPAREN))
        ")" -> add(Token(TokenKind.RPAREN))
        "+" -> add(Token(TokenKind.ADD))
        "-" -> add(Token(TokenKind.SUB))
        "*" -> add(Token(TokenKind.MUL))
        "/" -> add(Token(TokenKind.DIV))
        "%" -> add(Token(TokenKind.MOD))
        "fn" -> add(Token(TokenKind.FN))
        else -> throw IllegalArgumentException("Unknown token: $res")
    }
}

what wrong

[valid jetty]

res is supposed to have just ascii letters (and numbers and underscores if you allow it)

[valid jetty]

youre doing.isWhitespace not .isAsciiLetter

itll consume everything that isnt whitespace

if you have a( then ( is technically not whitespace

[deep mulch]

my test code is just ```
fn main() {
println("Hello, world!")
}

[valid jetty]

itll fail at parsing main( i assume

[deep mulch]

nop

its just failing at 0

[valid jetty]

well i mean right now youre iterating through the whole thing, youre supposed to build it up 1 token at a time

[deep mulch]

im confused

[deep mulch]

shouldnt this work

cause i negate the whitespace check

fn main() {
    println("Hello, world!")
}
Token: fn

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown token: ""

[valid jetty]

var cursor = 0

is_eof() => cursor >= input.length

while (!is_eof()) {
    while (input[cursor].isWhitespace()) cursor++

    if (input[cursor].isAlphabetic()) {
        val res = ""
        while (input[cursor].isAlphabetic() && !is_eof()) {
            res += input[cursor]
            cursor++
        }

        when (res) {
            "fn" => add(Token(TokenKind.FN))
            ...
        }

        continue;
    }

    when (input[cursor]) {
        '(' -> add(Token(TokenKind.LPAREN))
        ')' -> add(Token(TokenKind.RPAREN))
        '+' -> add(Token(TokenKind.ADD))
        '-' -> add(Token(TokenKind.SUB))
        '*' -> add(Token(TokenKind.MUL))
        '/' -> add(Token(TokenKind.DIV))
        '%' -> add(Token(TokenKind.MOD))
        else -> throw IllegalArgumentException("Unknown token: $res")
    }
}
``` this sort of thing

i hope what i wrote makes sense idk if thats valid kt

oh i see what you did

[deep mulch]

what did i do

[valid jetty]

that is what you would do i think

[deep mulch]

guhh ??

what kind of token for function names

what would happen to "main"

[valid jetty]

in elle i make all words that arent keywords be just identifiers

so if it falls through and it doesnt match any of the keyword paths it becomes "identifier" main

as in just, the name for a variable or function or whatever

thats when i should mention you might wanna also add a value to your tokens

just a kind usually isnt enough

typically the kind is the kind of token it is and then the value is what the token holds inside

for stuff like keywords or punctuation itll hold nothing, for identifiers itll hold the identifier as a string, etc.

[deep mulch]

a

im already overwhelmed and htis is just the start

[valid jetty]

lol dont worry you get used to it

its pretty simple when you get the basics

[deep mulch]

:c

[valid jetty]

its slightly more annoying in ichigo because i deal with unicode but you get the idea right

[deep mulch]

no

[valid jetty]

hm ```rs
fn Lexer::consume_number_literal(Lexer *self) -> i64 {
res := [rune *;];

while !self.is_eof() && self.current_char().is_number() {
    res.push(self.current_char());
    self.advance();
}

return i64::parse(res.utf8_encode());

}

[deep mulch]

idk what a rune is

[valid jetty]

thats not relevant here

its just a unicode codepoint

im assuming kotlin characters in strings are 1 byte so you shouldnt worry about unicode for now

[deep mulch]

😭

[valid jetty]

ignore unicode just think of res as the empty string lol

for non-unicode it would be like

fn Lexer::consume_number_literal(Lexer *self) -> i64 {
    res := "";

    while !self.is_eof() && self.current_char().is_digit() {
        res.push(self.current_char());
        self.advance();
    }

    return i64::parse(res);
}

[spark tiger]

wtf is this build file 😭

[deep mulch]

build

@valid jetty rewrite elle in batch

[valid jetty]

did you know makefiles are very usable to program

with shell ofc*

have you ever tried this one

[deep mulch]

ulgy

[dense sand]

crazy

[formal belfry]

lmao

[placid cape]

ellefiles

[valid jetty]

i don’t get it

[dense sand]

I dont care about these things ffs

This whole ai

[valid jetty]

oh lol

[formal belfry]

code to the vibes

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty you will record a video of my backend working

my graphics drivers suddenly died now im on a windows pc

and i forgot to record a videy

[hoary sluice]

actually meh ud need to make an account with like 5 different slop companies

[valid jetty]

i am NOT doing that

@deep mulch one day you will vibe code some software and be told to install a package from the aur and will get malware from the package because of ai hallucination squatting

[hoary sluice]

its fine its not graded anyways ill just freestyle

practice presentation

[valid jetty]

lmfao

[valid jetty]

@crisp kestrel ロシエ

[crisp kestrel]

roșie

hope ure welll

[valid jetty]

u too !!

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hii

[supple whale]

using my app's accent bar as an update download % progress

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1207393766458007562.webp?size=48&name=kekwolf

not sold on the color

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape i got a "super, passt" with no further feedback and a 1 on another presentation that i had no idea about

[delicate grove]

@placid cape, <t:1745362880:R>: me rosie cloc

[placid cape]

nice

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty are zed extensions auto updated

prob not right

@valid jetty i love nixos so much

in school i didnt have an extra monitor so i changed my home manager config to use my internal monitor and it wasnt updating for some reason

and i had to present 3 different projects today

had to pull them from github on a windows machine

[placid cape]

nope

well the extension code itself isnt

but when you have lsp it auto updates since the extension itself is responsible only for downloading lsp executable & running it

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty its icypeasing time

[valid jetty]

and then he went “it’s icypeasing time!!” and started icypeasing everywhere

[valid jetty]

nope

auto update is always a security issue

you can’t review changes

[placid cape]

https://github.com/microsoft/BitNet

[placid cape]

well... as I said, it auto updates the lsp binary

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty Rosie detected

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty how am i supposed to remember all of this...

https://github.com/tpope/vim-surround

[valid jetty]

for me it just calls ellec —lsp and prays you have a working version of the lsp server

maybe it’s a good idea to assert the lsp server is on a compatible version

[placid cape]

I have zed discord presence extension

and I just create a new release on github and zed automatically updates

[deep mulch]

rosinga

[placid cape]

you love rosie, dont you?

[deep mulch]

I am Rosie's guardian

[dawn ledge]

ship the lsp with the compiler

[ornate quiver]

yop

[valid jetty]

that’s exactly what i do

it makes reporting easier

[valid jetty]

interesting

i wish it could update the tree sitter but i know why it doesn’t

[valid jetty]

i kinda wanna do a video on elle

i saw a bunch of math videos in the year and i think it would be really fun

maybe over the summer ill compile like an hour long video in manim with a voiceover or something

[deep mulch]

Rosie speaks?

[hoary sluice]

do not let zoot hear her voice

he will be affected like oddyseus by the sirens

[deep mulch]

Rosie has manly voice

[hoary sluice]

yup rosie is trans

[deep mulch]

@hoary sluice

[hoary sluice]

@deep mulch @deep mulch

[lavish frigate]

ill only watch if its in japanese

[leaden crater]

vtuber

[deep mulch]

HORROR

[valid jetty]

true

[valid jetty]

yeah my voice sucks tho

[deep mulch]

mine is worse

[hoary sluice]

nop

[hoary sluice]

send

@valid jetty i think i need to rework my whole function system

from the ground up

like rm -rf src/intepreter

i think tomorrow is implement the lambda calculus day

im gonna start with a lambda calc impl and then optimize that into a proper language

[deep mulch]

never

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty do u have ur p set to not yank the overwritten code

if so how

[valid jetty]

it does that???

no it doesnt yank the overwritten code when i paste

idk what you did

[hoary sluice]

try it

[valid jetty]

i just did

[hoary sluice]

yank something, do vw and paste over it

itll yank the thing you had selected

[valid jetty]

oh yeah it does, thats specifically a vw thing

[hoary sluice]

thats default vim behavior

[valid jetty]

regular visual mode doesnt yank

[hoary sluice]

well yea you cant really pw

[hoary sluice]

wdym

[valid jetty]

like if i just do v4h

it wont yank it when i paste

[hoary sluice]

dont u use vwp to replace a word