🪅-progaming

[jade stone]

yea, its not possible

[supple whale]

WHY

[valid jetty]

i just modified the thing that kodetoad sent earlier lol

[supple whale]

its the same values

like i dont get it

its legit the same typedefs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/776909496764071977.webp?size=48&name=woe~1

[winged mantle]

i was

dumb

you didn't need that

[jade stone]

it's a byproduct of how typescript treats array values

[supple whale]

no i meant to meo w

[winged mantle]

no need for object.hasown

[supple whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/622562743438016562.webp?size=48&name=PepeHands

[jade stone]

but it's weird, and should be possible

[supple whale]

daaas what i mean

i gave up after like 5 mins

anyways its not that important

its just some cache, where i replicate a gql mutation server offline

[winged mantle]

vee should do audit on my codebase

[supple whale]

because... why not

[winged mantle]

find all typescript horrors

it;s fun how i used snake case in database

so i'll have to delete the database

or do complex migrations

[supple whale]

average TS server moment

this is actually p good

i guess compiling types for development helped a lot

i needed to increase the max memory previously

cuz the default 4 gigs wasnt enough lol

[jade stone]

afaik typescript does something like this

lhs is typeof Entry["mediaListEntry"]["status" | "score" | "repeat" | "progress"] which becomes Entry["mediaListEntry"]["status"] & score...repeat & Entry["mediaListEntry"]["progress"]

because the only common type bewteen them is null, you are trying to assign something non-null to something null which errors

[winged mantle]

by the time my bot is finished poffor will be ready 🙏

[supple whale]

i'll release the codebase for this project this month

shit will hit the fan

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/714176329251291219.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=tif

maybe type hhints arent the best idea

[valid jetty]

uhhh idk exactly what youre looking for but i would do it like this

function _fillOutKeys<T extends {
  id: number;
  isFavourite: boolean;
  mediaListEntry: {
      id: number | null;
      status: "CURRENT" | "PLANNING" | "COMPLETED" | "DROPPED" | "PAUSED" | "REPEATING" | null;
      progress: number | null;
      repeat: number | null;
      score: number | null;
      customLists: unknown;
  } | null;
}>(entry: T, variables: Omit<NonNullable<T['mediaListEntry']>, 'customLists'> & { lists: (string | null)[] | null | undefined }) {
  const keys = ['status', 'score', 'repeat', 'progress'] as const

  for (const key of keys) {
    (entry.mediaListEntry![key] as any) = variables[key];
  }
}

[supple whale]

cant modify the original types

they are inferred

[valid jetty]

ah

[supple whale]

they are inferred from the gql api schema which is dynamically generated

[valid jetty]

ok i was gonna say lmao that did seem a little weird that you were manually defining the types

but even then why cant you just do (entry.mediaListEntry![key] as any) = variables[key];

[supple whale]

i dont allow any in my codebase

doesnt compile

:))))

[valid jetty]

husk

[supple whale]

Response.json() is a pain because of that

XD

[still jolt]

as unknown

[supple whale]

does nothing

[valid jetty]

yeah it does

[supple whale]

and gets auto-removed by the linter

since its standalone

[valid jetty]

no error

[supple whale]

my setup is GIGA strict

[valid jetty]

with the original setup

[supple whale]

well yeah but then it doesnt have the type safety

this is fuckign funny tho

[valid jetty]

do you need type safety for something like this if youre hardcoding the keys anyway lmao

[supple whale]

its just keys which i sync from/to the offline storage

[valid jetty]

yeah but if youre hardcoding them why do you need type safety, you know those keys will be in the objects

[jade stone]

@supple whale i might have shown you this before but rate this cursed type

[supple whale]

import { createStore, set, get } from 'idb-keyval'
import { writable } from 'simple-store-svelte'

export default new class LocalSync {
  store = createStore('watchlist', 'local')

  entries = writable<Record<number, StoredMedia>>({})

  constructor () {
    get('entries', this.store).then(s => {
      this.entries.value = s ?? {}
    })
    this.entries.subscribe(entries => {
      set('entries', entries, this.store)
    })
  }
}

[supple whale]

because the API schema might change one day

and i want it to error when my code tries to compile

[valid jetty]

hmmmmmm

[supple whale]

and when the api schema changes, my code will automagically detect it

[valid jetty]

ive done worse

[supple whale]

and go "WOAH THERE, FIX ME"

[jade stone]

oh, this was 10x worse

i managed to get it down to this

[supple whale]

since i re-build the DB schema every time i open the code editor

[valid jetty]

@jade stone https://gist.github.com/acquitelol/2f80d60feb8bdc00ca5d239d76630ce5

[supple whale]

my worst is:

which refrences a few other ones, but they dont matter

[valid jetty]

idk how to help you with this lmao its an inherent TS issue with for..of loops i think

[supple whale]

idk, there's probably some keyof fix there

but i cba tbf

[valid jetty]

look at these beautiful unbound types

[jade stone]

INSANE

use something like readonly string[] iirc

[supple whale]

if the local offline sync breaks it wont be the end of the world, its only a fallback for a fallback for a mutation

[valid jetty]

lol yeah obviously

but its funnier when i make a parser at the type level

btw you get autocomplete with this

[jade stone]

@valid jetty make typescript parser with typescript types

[supple whale]

Fifth: 4

💀

[valid jetty]

just like enums

yeah because first is 0

its the same with real enums

not a fault with my impl

technically the type level thing does this

with some type magic (its just a functional language)

[valid jetty]

lol yeah but uhhh

[supple whale]

beautiful strings

[jade stone]

couldn't you use a mapped type to avoid that

[valid jetty]

look closely how the autocomplete is generated

my fav TS code

type EnumToObject<Keys extends string[], Acc extends string[] = []> =
    Keys extends [infer First extends string, ...infer Rest extends string[]]
        ? { [K in First]: Acc["length"] } & EnumToObject<Rest, [...Acc, First]>
        : {};

type Split<T extends string, D extends string, Acc extends string[] = []> =
    Trim<T> extends `${infer First}${D}${infer Rest}`
        ? Split<Trim<Rest>, D, [...Acc, Trim<First>]>
        : [...Acc, Trim<T>]
        
type Whitespace = " " | "\n" | "\t";
type Trim<T extends string> = 
    T extends `${Whitespace}${infer R}` 
        ? Trim<R> 
        : T extends `${infer R}${Whitespace}` ? Trim<R> : T;

function enu_m<T extends string>(x: T) {
    return x.split('\n').filter(Boolean).reduce(
        (acc, cur, i) => ({ ...acc, [cur.trim()]: i }), 
        {} as EnumToObject<Split<T, '\n'>>
    );
}

const x = enu_m(`
  First
  Second
  Third
  Fourth
  Fifth
`)

@supple whale love?

[supple whale]

yeah mine is a server plugin

your is a type

[valid jetty]

what

[supple whale]

mine simply doesnt scale to so many hundreds of types i have

[valid jetty]

what are you even making lol

[supple whale]

man

if you come VC i can explain

in text it will take too long to explain

too complex XD

[valid jetty]

i cant really atm lol

[royal nymph]

voice message time

[valid jetty]

true

[supple whale]

OH

good idea

i dont have the plugin tho

[winged mantle]

use vencord voice message plugin

😭

[jade stone]

do you not have vencord installed

[winged mantle]

✨ Spice up your Discord experience - Get Vencord Today!

🌶️ https://vencord.dev/ 🌶️

[valid jetty]

i think Trim<T> might be one of my favourite TS types ever

type Whitespace = " " | "\n" | "\t";
type Trim<T extends string> = 
    T extends `${Whitespace}${infer R}` 
        ? Trim<R> 
        : T extends `${infer R}${Whitespace}` ? Trim<R> : T;

its such an elegant way to do a trim

[jade stone]

✨ Spice up your Discord crashes - Get Vencord Today!

[winged mantle]

just upload as regular attachment

[supple whale]

that's about as simple as i can explain it

ofc on top of that data i built an entire app

[valid jetty]

thats cool but what website could POSSIBLY need all of that

[supple whale]

netflix that can go offline at any moment in time

and still work seamlessly

as if you never went offline

\o/

[valid jetty]

i mean true

[leaden crater]

who uses Netflix

[valid jetty]

are you making a sailing the high seas netflix

me

[leaden crater]

123movies

[supple whale]

https://miru.watch

[leaden crater]

miru is bad

used miruro

[valid jetty]

noooo pls 😭 make the logo 見る

just hiragana is killing me inside

[supple whale]

its a desktop app, which instead of using servers to host media, uses torrents from public bittorrent trackers and streams them real time

[still jolt]

nice website ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[leaden crater]

miruro.tv is the new 9anime aniwave

[supple whale]

this isnt a streaming website

its a torrent streaming app

[supple whale]

average firefox user

[leaden crater]

so basically vlc

[supple whale]

shouldnt have spoofed ur resolution

[valid jetty]

wait why is it so laggy lmao

[supple whale]

not even close

[leaden crater]

i don't use torrents anyways

[supple whale]

probs no scrolling acceleration on ur end

[still jolt]

I'm not spoofing anything

[leaden crater]

only magnet for games

[valid jetty]

no i have scrollling acceleration on

[still jolt]

I'm on normal vanilla firefox

[deep mulch]

@leaden crater you

[leaden crater]

@deep mulch ja was

[still jolt]

seems like the entire website just became oneko somehow

[supple whale]

oh god this statement is so brainless it hurts me to read

[supple whale]

idk then, its just the app i'm working on

i'm re-making it from scratch with cooler tech simply

i mean its just a website to download the app

[valid jetty]

pls pls make the logo 見る not みる 🙏

[leaden crater]

what

you're being so arrogant

[supple whale]

it's being rebranded, but i do need a new logo

not characters tho

i need a proper actual logo

can unironically pay u if u make one

[royal nymph]

please hop off messing with scrolling it's atrocious

[winged mantle]

why override the scroll animations

[royal nymph]

i hate js smooth scrolling

[winged mantle]

took too long to type..

it makes scrolling feel stiff

[supple whale]

because i know i can be, as there are very few people out there than know more about the bittorrent protocol than me

[supple whale]

yeah it works nice on chrome, that's about it

i just wanted to fuck with it

[royal nymph]

i am on chrome

it's not about not working

[supple whale]

i'll nuke it in the future

[royal nymph]

it's just that I despise when websites mess with my scrolling

[supple whale]

cope

[leaden crater]

lol ok

next time I'll enable hide blocked users

[winged mantle]

idk i can see the text microjiggling (idk if this is the technical term)

[supple whale]

i simply thought of it as an idea, and decided "hm, i can write some giga efficient code for this"

[winged mantle]

(you know when things snap to pixels in the middle of animations)

[supple whale]

and just left it in as a toy

[royal nymph]

normal website: you can scroll up quickly and get to the top instantly
js smooth scroll website: you have to scroll for 3 seconds straight to go back to the top

[supple whale]

ah yeah, i learned the hard way my code sucks at <60hz

export default function (t, { speed = 120, smooth = 10 } = {}) {
  if (!settings.value.smoothScroll) return
  let moving = false
  let pos = 0
  let scrollTop = 0
  let lastTime = null
  t.addEventListener('wheel', e => {
    e.preventDefault()
    // is trackpad
    const spd = (e.deltaY !== (e.deltaY | 0) || e.wheelDelta % 10 !== 0) ? speed / 10 : speed
    pos = Math.max(0, Math.min(pos - Math.max(-1, Math.min(1, e.deltaY * -1)) * spd, (t.scrollHeight - t.clientHeight) + (smooth * 2)))
    if (!moving) {
      lastTime = null
      update()
    }
  }, { capture: true, passive: false })

  function getDeltaTime () {
    const now = performance.now()
    if (!lastTime) {
      lastTime = now
      return 1
    }
    const deltaTime = now - lastTime
    lastTime = now
    return deltaTime / 14
  }

  t.addEventListener('pointerup', () => { pos = scrollTop = t.scrollTop })

  function update () {
    const delta = pos - scrollTop === smooth * 2 ? 0 : ((pos - scrollTop) / smooth) * getDeltaTime()
    scrollTop += delta

    t.scrollTo(0, scrollTop < 1.3 ? 0 : scrollTop)
    moving = Math.abs(delta) > 0.1 && !!requestAnimationFrame(update)
  }
}

but the code for it was cool

XD

[frosty obsidian]

but we put 4 billion dollars into these fancy scroll transitions

[supple whale]

nah it was like 15 mins

[winged mantle]

this code has ruined my appetite /lh

[supple whale]

that entire project is just "hm i have a cool idea on the shitter, lets see how i can make it"

[deep mulch]

one of you is going to betray me

[supple whale]

idk, imho its giga smart

[leaden crater]

scrolling using h shifter when

[supple whale]

code is cool, end result not so much xd

[valid jetty]

@deep mulch https://acquitelol.github.io/simplex

[winged mantle]

i uh

so many questions

[supple whale]

most of my ideas are so giga random tho: https://github.com/thaunknown/video-deband i love this lib, like a lot

[valid jetty]

zoot doesnt even know how to solve an inequality problem with the simplex tableau smh

[supple whale]

thought "why not"

[deep mulch]

I don't know what that is

[supple whale]

and it fucking worked

[leaden crater]

I betrayed you. I installed a double door concreted 40x300x25 blast proof up to 40mJ

[leaden crater]

i forgot about the table i have so much to do recently

[winged mantle]

why would you name a function parameter a single letter in js so it's hard to know what type it is

[leaden crater]

maaaan

[winged mantle]

[supple whale]

@valid jetty so no logo?

:c

[winged mantle]

was this on purpose

to confuse skids

[royal nymph]

naming parameters one char is only valid if it's obvious

[winged mantle]

i mean i guess it's obviously an element but what element

[royal nymph]

like e for event

[winged mantle]

what's its purpose

and you'd have to look into method code

[winged mantle]

i don't do e for event and error

because people use it for both

so it's ambigious

i just do event and error

[still jolt]

e for event, error and element, why not

[supple whale]

nah error is err

nodejs style

[winged mantle]

err is valid

[leaden crater]

2.718281828459045

[still jolt]

I usually do ev, err, el

[supple whale]

i usually do destructuring

so i dont have to name shit

XD

[still jolt]

you can still rename stuff when destructuring though

[supple whale]

never.

god fuckign never.

[winged mantle]

my variable names are like the opposite of yours

[deep mulch]

Rosie does this

[winged mantle]

element_to_apply_to

[supple whale]

function pip (enable = !$pictureInPictureElement) {
  return enable ? burnIn(video, subtitles, deband) : document.exitPictureInPicture()
}

[deep mulch]

single letter variable names

[supple whale]

[winged mantle]

burnIn

[leaden crater]

rosie hates keyboards

[winged mantle]

does it cause monitor burnin

[deep mulch]

@leaden crater

[supple whale]

yeah, i made a lib for burning in images onto video elements

[leaden crater]

@deep mulch

[supple whale]

which lets you render images on top of videos when using mediastreams for webrtc, or when using video.requestPictureInPicture

[winged mantle]

wondering if you could make an extension to stop sites from changing scroll anim

description: screw you miru

[royal nymph]

def

[supple whale]

its a bad idea for scrollspy tho

since you'd break anything scrollspy based

[winged mantle]

i don't really like when websites mess with scrolling at all

oh like this https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.0/components/scrollspy/

[supple whale]

unless you overwrote the event and made preventDefault do nothing

[valid jetty]

im trying

[winged mantle]

can't you use css instead of js

[leaden crater]

let_me_now_the_variable = 0xFFFFFF
if let_me_now_the_variable != 0xFFFFFF
      wipefs

[winged mantle]

oh wait

how did i misunderstand that

[supple whale]

oh

like actually?

or mem'ing?

[winged mantle]

yea i wanna break this

[supple whale]

cuz i ahve pointers

if u want

[winged mantle]

scroll spying is really
creepy

[supple whale]

you dont even know what the new name will be

@valid jetty

XD

[winged mantle]

deletes ur pointer

[supple whale]

laughs in C

[winged mantle]

reallocs you

or whatever that thing to grow a pointer is i forgot

[valid jetty]

sillly

[supple whale]

wrong name XD

[valid jetty]

lol oh well

i thought the る kinda looks like an eye

so i tried to fill it

[supple whale]

i dm'ed ya

with info

if u actually want to try seriously

[formal belfry]

https://github.com/doki-theme/doki-theme-vscode/issues/268

what a gooner

[jade stone]

am i insane or would it just be better to use a React.memo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CAEuTN4qYqI

[formal belfry]

INSANE

[dawn ledge]

biome has the opposite of this (no explicit) and its fucking annoying

[jade stone]

why would you ever want that

when i explicitly type any, i do it for a reason

[dawn ledge]

nvim does it nicely (they put all the hints at the end in sequence

would you rather use records or mapped types

[jade stone]

wait, doesnt that make typing some things just impossible

[dawn ledge]

i actually like and hate how rust forces specifying the return type
since implicit returns exist you'll not end up with oopsies and also just prevents mishaps if types change downstream

[dawn ledge]

you can disable the rule

but its annoying

[jade stone]

you would have to be insane to enable it

[valid jetty]

the issue is that if i were to make explicit return types it would break just about every elle function ever written

the refactoring would be uhhhhhhhh

not fun

[dawn ledge]

[austere idol]

import json


class Test:
    def __init__(self, data):
        self.data = data
        self.open = open

    def __del__(self):
        with self.open("data.json", "w") as file:
            file.write(json.dumps(self.data))


a = Test({"a": "banned noises"})

while True:
    pass

[dawn ledge]

why self.open

[austere idol]

because for some reason regular open is not present in __del__

[dawn ledge]

insane

[fleet cedar]

Yeah python and rust don't do implicit self.foo like c++ and java do

[dawn ledge]

no i meant why even have the open field on self

(and they said open global func doesnt exist in __del__)

[gaunt badge]

Just create a God Object :)

That is every type

[dawn ledge]

what

what are you on about

[gaunt badge]

Mostly mocking people who create massive objects that essentially do everything. A god object is a sort of joke about that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object

[dawn ledge]

[gaunt badge]

It is a Bad Thing that OOP encourages/allows devs to do when they don’t know how to structure their code well

[dawn ledge]

literally NOT what i want to do

[gaunt badge]

This is a positive thing

[winged mantle]

trol

[supple whale]

window

[gaunt badge]

Lol

[winged mantle]

useful for when i make a mistake and the code just locks up forever

[gaunt badge]

This is why we DON'T use window

[winged mantle]

(string parsing)

[gaunt badge]

Unless it's actually necessary

[gaunt badge]

Recursive regex my beloved

[winged mantle]

it uses regex

read_word reads up until \s

but if you call read_word() twice it will always return an empty string or throw an exception (end of string)

because it reads up to the space and if you call it again there's nothing to read

so this could potentially freeze

while (reader.can_read())
read.read_word();

[fleet cedar]

As of my last project I'm a big fan of separate lexer phase

[winged mantle]

i wrote json parser without lexer before

i literally just wrote it without researching patterns of how to design a parser

same with every time i've written a custom command parser

i just learned from my spaghetti mess and rewrote it better

(over the last few days)

simply by splitting up responsibility

the result seems to be similar to mojang's command parsing

https://github.com/Mojang/brigadier/blob/master/src/main/java/com/mojang/brigadier/StringReader.java

well apart from i did not have the responsibility of any string parsing in the stringreader

i split it into three modules: command parsing, primitive parsing, and a basic string wrapper which uses the concept of a cursor

[gaunt badge]

Gotta use something like re2

[winged mantle]

Resident Evil 2

[gaunt badge]

Guaranteed runtime Regex

It's absolutely miserable to use

[winged mantle]

javascript's regex is pretty

catstare emoji

[fleet cedar]

I don't know about command parsing, but for real languages token trees are really nice

[winged mantle]

gotta do this to match from the cursor

i wish i had made the cursor represent the next char instead of the current one

the latter is super confusing

[gaunt badge]

npm install re2

[fleet cedar]

Makes error recovery a breeze

[gaunt badge]

[winged mantle]

i mean that would probably be good for user input regex

why not just use lewi's rust regex wrapper

[gaunt badge]

Yea, it's what Cloudflare moved to iirc after the...

Accident

Catastrophic anti-XSS Regex

[winged mantle]

when you give me typescript

this is what i create

(i might be slightly defensive in my programming)

i need an eslint rule to require i always type return types

[gaunt badge]

Also I'd Object.freeze(array) before returning get_result(). The properties of this._result are read only but the arrays are still mutable

Unless that's intentional

[winged mantle]

it's not

well i don't think it worried me that much this class is just here to try and stop the wrong types getting in the wrong places

but this code could be wrong i guess

would it be better for this to be a unit test's responsibility

idrk

this literally reparses everything marked as a user, channel etc to make sure it's a valid snowflake

[gaunt badge]

Also

throw new Error(`typeof value === 'string' && is_snowflake('${typeof value}') is false; expected true`);

Are you actually meaning typeof value a second time?

[winged mantle]

uh

oops

thank you

[gaunt badge]

No problem

This do be what I do

[winged mantle]

object.freezze does not prevent array from being changed

unless you mean freeze each array

[supple whale]

that's a TS config

[winged mantle]

oh?

[supple whale]

no implicit return

[winged mantle]

oh cool

thank you

[supple whale]

ywyw

[winged mantle]

maybe i don't need eslint

[supple whale]

you do

[winged mantle]

would be useful for awaits though

i have not set up eslint

it's another tool to learn for me

hence why i have put it off

(this project has been massive learning with node and typescript, tools which i both used a bit before but not much until this project)

oh god i should check out my probaably really insecure node projects from 2020

[gaunt badge]

Also

[winged mantle]

one of my node.js projects has a netbeans directory

😭 😭

lmao

/^\/(Africa|America|Antarctica|Asia|Atlantic|Australia|Europe|Indian|Pacific)\/.*$/.test(path.pathname)

i think this is a php project i ported

[gaunt badge]

I'd use Object.entries() instead of for (const key in schema) and if (!Object.hasOwn(schema, key))

[winged mantle]

i started using that because it seemed stackoverflow had elected in as the best

[gaunt badge]

Fair enough

[winged mantle]

for perf reasons iirc?

but i don't think it makes a lot of difference either way

[gaunt badge]

It doesn't, and it IS a lot more readable

[winged mantle]

😭

[winged mantle]

i think both are pretty similar in that regard

[gaunt badge]

for (const key in schema) {
    if (!Object.hasOwn(schema, key))
        continue;

    const option = this._schema[key];

    if (option === undefined)
        continue;

    const value = (option.array ?? false) ? [] : null;
    this._result_define(key, value);

    if (option.required ?? false)
        this._missing.add(key);
}

vs.

for (const [key, option] of Object.entries(schema)) {
    if (option === undefined)
        continue;

    const value = (option.array ?? false) ? [] : null;
    this._result_define(key, value);

    if (option.required ?? false)
        this._missing.add(key);
}

[winged mantle]

the former feels more explicit

maybe I could make a helper which uses iterator instead of array

then i would feel less paranoid

I would prefer to avoid Object.entries everywhere in case the performance does matter somewhere than mix and match

[fleet cedar]

But does performance matter

In this instance

[gaunt badge]

It's very very negligible performance impact, you're only gonna feel it on millions of iterations

You forget how good modern hardware is

And hold on

[fleet cedar]

Optimizing things that don't matter is a waste of time

[dawn ledge]

why

[winged mantle]

.

if you call read_word() twice the second time it will not advance the cursor

idk if that's bad design

[fleet cedar]

Usually this variable would be called fuel

[winged mantle]

but it would seem weird for reading a word to also skip whitespace

[gaunt badge]

function* objectEntries<T extends object>(obj: T): IterableIterator<[keyof T, T[keyof T]]> {
    for (const key in obj) {
        if (Object.hasOwn(obj, key)) {
            yield [key, obj[key]];
        }
    }
}

Teehee

Like this?

[winged mantle]

not ... really?

it doesn't waste any time really in this case

i prefer to just use the faster thing where it makes hardly any difference to readability

[dawn ledge]

js and py arent the sharpest tool in the shed for speed

[gaunt badge]

Never have been

[winged mantle]

js is pretty good for an interpreted language thanks to v8 and bun though

[dawn ledge]

@valid jetty i have succumbed to my intrusive thoughts
help me name my language

havent decided on the syntax yet
probably zig-esque

[winged mantle]

i don't really like using things which allocate a bunch of stuff for no reason lol

I still use for of loops because c style loop is less readable

[gaunt badge]

[winged mantle]

i think if you use Object.hasOwn the intent is actually clearer

[gaunt badge]

Best of luck

[winged mantle]

catscript

.cs

not to be confused with C# (.cs)

[winged mantle]

wait idea

[gaunt badge]

If arhsm is making a scripting language it would surprise me

[winged mantle]

try to optimise the parts which matter the least by rewriting in rust

[dawn ledge]

its gonna be compiled, blazing fast, memory safe!

[gaunt badge]

Rustaceans don't work like that

[winged mantle]

just for the meme

[gaunt badge]

YEP

I knew it loooool

[winged mantle]

so people can see i tried really hard to optimise unimportant stuff

(tbf i did do js benchmarking for ages)

(on stuff that didn't matter that much)

you would've though on a discord bot command parsing would be a lukewarm path

[gaunt badge]

Name it Axon (after neurons) or Skeld (Old Norse for shield)

[dawn ledge]

hmmm

[winged mantle]

name it lobotomy

.lb

[gaunt badge]

Welcome back brainfuck

[valid jetty]

arhsmlang

[winged mantle]

bloblang

bloblangcozy

[valid jetty]

sounds funny but i was genuinely THIS close to calling it rosielang

[winged mantle]

call it rose

🌹

[valid jetty]

call it "ts"Script 🥀

[winged mantle]

ts script

type script script

[dawn ledge]

this shit script

[winged mantle]

imagine the best language
a combination of assembly, php, and actionscript

[valid jetty]

ok but on a real note

[winged mantle]

high level but still impossible to use

[dawn ledge]

inchresting
had to lower it from 10k to 100 to not take 200 years since i had to add console.log to make it not be jitted to oblivion

[valid jetty]

i would call the language after a flower

but thats just me

if not, aim for something short and snappy

dont wanna call it mycutelangscript

[dawn ledge]

thats actually a good idea since my favorite unicode character is also ✿

[valid jetty]

you could call it Calla with .cl or Hana with .ha or Hazel with .hzl or Ivy with .ivy or Peony with .pny or Zinnia with .zn

[blazing haven]

or rosie with .pie

[gaunt badge]

Yea for...in works best when it's all numerical string keys

[dawn ledge]

i cant be arsed to write a random non numeric key generator now

[dawn ledge]

i like hana

thanks

[gaunt badge]

Looool it's even worse with that

Yeah they were in fact correct to use for...in for performance

[dawn ledge]

AmigaOS, MorphOS, WarpOS, AROS, Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, and iOS.
what are these horrors

[hoary sluice]

wheres serenityos

haikuos

[dawn ledge]

sad

.hn it is

DOS era format; uses arithmetic/Markov coding

nvm .ha it is

[gaunt badge]

Lole

Yeah that's never getting used

Honestly I'm also not allergic to my code file formats being more than two letters

.hna wouldn't offend me

[supple whale]

that setup code

is so cusrsed

how the fuck does that even work

jesus

that's abuse as fuck

didnt even know u can abuse builtins like that

[dawn ledge]

lol

[gaunt badge]

Lmao yea

[royal nymph]

in what case does for ... in even contain non own keys?

[dawn ledge]

no clue

[royal nymph]

there's only this but no one writes code like that

[dawn ledge]

i just copied this
i think they meant hasOwnProperty

[royal nymph]

Object.hasOwn is hasOwnProperty

[dawn ledge]

is it

oh

it is

well whatever

[winged mantle]

inherited property other than those from Object itself

so it could be if for some reason you're passing a class idk

[royal nymph]

nope

class methods and the likes are all non enumerable

so it makes no difference

[winged mantle]

no but

class Agh extends Base {
    a = "a";
    b = "b";
}
class Base {
    beeMovieScript = "According to all known laws of aviation...";
}

if you create new Agh it will also have beeMovieScript

which would be iterated with in

though will Agh still fit into Record<string, "a" | "b"> idk

probaly not

that wouldn't make sense

i guess it's only an issue if you set the prototype directly because there might be extra values which don't conform to the record

[formal belfry]

pro gamers

[royal nymph]

pretty sure class property assignments are just sugar for

constructor() {
  this.a = "a";
}

so they aren't inherited, they are direct properties

[supple whale]

yes but no

it interacts differently with super()

[winged mantle]

huh

but isn't beeMovieScript inhereted

ohh wait

so when you do agh it's not like the super class is initialised separately and becomes the proto

and this refers to that other instance in the super constructor

that would be weird lol

oh yeah i think the proto would have the functions and be equivilent to ClassName.prototype?

[dense sand]

Duality of a man

[leaden crater]

both

[formal belfry]

lmao

[leaden crater]

typst

[valid jetty]

typst <33333

you can do SUCH cool stuff in typst

[dense sand]

Holy shit i might actually write my thesis in this

It looks soooo much cleaner and easier than latex

[valid jetty]

i did this thing

// これには「context」が要る
#let 日本語() = text.lang == "jp"
#let i18n(..args) = context args.at(int(not(日本語())))
#let demo(..args) = context if 日本語() {
  args.at(0)
} else [
  #args.at(0)
  Translated:
  #args.at(1)
  #text(0.8em, luma(120))[
    The above is for demonstrational purposes only.
  ]
]

#let 設定 = yaml("config.yaml")
#let 名前 = yaml(if "名前" in 設定 { 設定.名前 } else { "name.public.yaml" })

#let code(..args) = if "両方" in 設定 and 設定.両方 {
  demo(..args)
} else {
  context args.at(int(not(日本語())))
}

#set text(
  lang: if "日本語" in 設定 and 設定.日本語 or false { "jp" } else { "en" },
  font: if "日本語" in 設定 and 設定.日本語 or false { "Hiragino Mincho Pro" } else { () },
)

// 例
#code(

いちご
関数　メイン（）『
　　　プリント（「こんにちは、世界！」）。
』

rs
fn main() {
print("Hello, world!");
}

)

and you can define custom syntaxes for custom languages too

its soooo cool

[leaden crater]

i don't have a preference between latex and typst but I'm really used to latex

[valid jetty]

basically depending on a key in config.yaml you can toggle between these like super easily (literally just a bool away)

its so much better than latex because compilation is instant

can your latex do this?????

[dawn ledge]

i use chrome + tinymist for auto previews, you can probably adopt this slop as a zed extension
https://codeberg.org/arhsm/.dolfies/src/commit/3109cfc21a2147d74d6930ff7e772eb047f59e79/programs/nvim/config/scripts/typst-preview.nu#L1-L26
https://codeberg.org/arhsm/.dolfies/src/commit/3109cfc21a2147d74d6930ff7e772eb047f59e79/programs/nvim/config/lua/configs/typstpreview.lua#L40-L49

[pearl stag]

typst-preview.nu: Lines 1-26

#!/usr/bin/env nu

def main [
  --url: string
  --port: int
  --websocat: string
  --user-data-dir: string
] {
  try {
    let endpoint = (http get $"http://127.0.0.1:($port)/json" | get 0.webSocketDebuggerUrl) 
    let query = $'Page.navigate { "url": "($url)" }'

    echo "Session exists, navigating..."

    echo ($query) | ^($websocat) -n1 --jsonrpc --jsonrpc-omit-jsonrpc ($endpoint)
  } catch {
    (
      google-chrome-stable
        --disable-first-run-ui
        --no-first-run
        --remote-debugging-port=($port)
        --user-data-dir=($user_data_dir)
        --app=($url)
    )
  }
}

typstpreview.lua: Lines 40-49

  return ('%s --url "%%s" --port %s --websocat "%s" --user-data-dir "%s"'):format(script, port, websocat, user_data_dir)
end

local open_cmd = make_open_command()

return {
  open_cmd = open_cmd,
  dependencies_bin = {
    ["tinymist"] = "tinymist",
  },

[dawn ledge]

tinymist handles the auto update (so you dont have to constantly reload) and my script makes document switching easier

[valid jetty]

.dolfies??? @wheat kernel mention??????

[dawn ledge]

yes

[leaden crater]

i only use latex for formulae

[dawn ledge]

math in typst is actually sane

[valid jetty]

you can do that in typst too except the syntax is sane

yeah

[dawn ledge]

latex is cbt

[leaden crater]

latex is insane but I'm too

[valid jetty]

arent we all

[dawn ledge]

true

😭

[valid jetty]

bell??????

[leaden crater]

is that mizuena

[valid jetty]

yes

[formal belfry]

@valid jetty tolling

[valid jetty]

tole tole [happy]

[leaden crater]

mizuena is the best thing to exist

[valid jetty]

if only sega confirmed mizuki’s gender so people would stop saying it’s “unconfirmed” and use that as their excuse for transphobia 💔

[winged mantle]

regex makes everything so much better

[leaden crater]

but Sega confirmed no?

[valid jetty]

nop

[leaden crater]

Sega kil

[winged mantle]

-a lazy developer 2025

[valid jetty]

they never explicitly confirmed she was trans in mizu5 it’s just HEAVILYYYYYY implied (like “that’s the whole point/plot of the story” kind of implied) but it’s never explicitly stated she’s trans

[leaden crater]

i didn't read mizu5 but i saw a lot on tt and yt

[valid jetty]

mizu5 was SUPPOSED to end the gender war that existed but instead it turned it into trans allies vs transphobes

[leaden crater]

mizuki is the cutest in the game idk how people can be like that

[winged mantle]

i am finally realising that readonly is important in typescript

because if you make one array readonly it can't be passed into a non-readonly array pameter

so i should probably be adding it everywhere it's not mutated

[dawn ledge]

@valid jetty can you man 2 write for me

[winged mantle]

wait ugh but object can also be readonly

who does readonly interfaces for function parameters i never see that

[royal nymph]

no one

[dense sand]

tree

[shrewd canopy]

jdk

[winged mantle]

is there any reason to do Array.isArray instead of instanceof Array when you're using node.js

[dense sand]

i thought you are talking about java

i was like: "use .getClass().isArray()"

[winged mantle]

instanceof Object[] also works

just not for primitive arrays

because yes

[dense sand]

in js?

[winged mantle]

no not in js

[dense sand]

please add defer to C

[winged mantle]

the type becomes implicitly any[] if you use isArray

if you use instanceof it infers them correctly

oh readonly array

does anyone use readonly arrays they seem kind of afdjkhs

[fleet cedar]

Mutability annotations are useless in all languages except rust

[winged mantle]

unsafe

what about c++

const actually stops the inner data from being modified

[fleet cedar]

Nope

[deep mulch]

@winged mantle

[winged mantle]

any issues are more related to memory safety rather than issues with const

[fleet cedar]

Const in c++ is not transitive, and nothing stops the data from being mutated behind your back through a different pointer

[winged mantle]

but you would need to cast away the const... which is comparable to an unsafe in rust i would say

[fleet cedar]

For example the const in const unique_ptr<T> doesn't mean shit

[winged mantle]

that's because you're not making T const

you're making the pointer const

i dunno if you can make the pointer const but probably

[fleet cedar]

That's ub if the pointer points to something that is const, but if it's been casted to const you can cast it away just fine

[fleet cedar]

Yes, const is shallow aka worthless

[valid jetty]

i wrote this recently

#define __DEFER_INTERNAL__(f, v) \
    auto void f(char*); \
    char v __attribute__((__cleanup__(f))); \
    auto void f(char*)
#define __DEFER_WITH_COUNTER__(x) \
    __DEFER_INTERNAL__(__f##x##__, __v##x##__)
#define __DEFER__(N) __DEFER_WITH_COUNTER__(N)
#define defer __DEFER__(__COUNTER__)

int main() {
    int *x = malloc(6 * sizeof(int));
    defer { free(x); };

    return 0;
}
``` but it relies on the cleanup func extension in GCC

[winged mantle]

just do const unique_ptr<const T>

it's the equivilent to const T* const i believe

or wahtever it is

[dense sand]

wow very cool, but i need multiplatform support unfortunately 😭

[winged mantle]

i love this ❤️

[dense sand]

just make the preprocessor more powerful 😭

[winged mantle]

why not use zig

or something

or write custom c transpiler

would be a fun and educational project but also lots of time wasted

[dense sand]

i think its just an easy regex find & replace tbh

[dawn ledge]

transpile to RUST

[winged mantle]

how to parse c with regex

[dense sand]

you dont have to parse anything tbh

or i mean it depends how complex do you want it to have

[winged mantle]

don't you need to find the exit of the function

[dense sand]

well nvm you would need normal parser

[winged mantle]

that seems hard to do

[dense sand]

just find the return

[winged mantle]

what if it's implicit return

what if return exists in a string

what if macros do some stuff

[dense sand]

true

[lavish frigate]

ill make a language like rust but it will be worse in every single way and it will just transpile to rust

[dawn ledge]

[dense sand]

just use antlr4

[fleet cedar]

Yep, if you don't store it it's just dropped immediately

[winged mantle]

the let _ thing is kind of weird

they should just use [[maybe_unused]]

[fleet cedar]

_ pattern is very important

let _ = is nonsensical though

[dawn ledge]

must_use in question:

[mossy ether]

soon https://thephd.dev/c2y-the-defer-technical-specification-its-time-go-go-go

[fleet cedar]

Sure

It's a reasonable way to say "I am deliberately not using or storing this value"

[dawn ledge]

so im brainstorming the syntax
i am too much of a rust user
its all rust

[fleet cedar]

There already exists a worse-than-rust -> rust transpiler, it's called tac

[valid jetty]

do you wanna see very initial designs of elle for inspiration lmfao

or not inspiration but to laugh at it

[dawn ledge]

show show

[valid jetty]

keep in mind this was before i really learnt rust

// Import statements follow a lib:file@{method1, method2...} format;
use elle:io@{print};
use elle:int@{random};

const languageName = "Elle";

// Use `pub` to make functions public so they can be imported by other files
// You *must* expose the main function for it to be runnable
pub op main() {
    let resWithThree: Int = randomWithMultiplier(3); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 3 using positional arguments
    let resWithSixteen: Int = randomWithMultiplier(multiplier: 16); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 16 using keyword arguments
    printMessage(
        "First result is %d and second is %d", 
        resWithThree, 
        resWithSixteen
    );

    let maybeRes: Int? = randomWithPossibleError();

    if (maybeRes) {
        // In this scope, maybeRes is just Int32 not Int32?
        printMessage("Result is %d", maybeRes);
    } else {
        // This is a character because it's a single quote.
        printMessage('a');
        printMessage("Oh no! We failed.");
    }
}

op randomWithMultiplier(Int multiplier) -> Int {
    // If a function uses keyword arguments they must *all* be keyword arguments
    // Use the ret keyword to return from the operation
    ret random(between: 0, and: 10, included: true) * multiplier;
}

// Operations can either return a value or void.
// `nil` is the undefined/null value in Elle.
// Use the '?' operator at the end of the return type to denote that the function can return nil.
op randomWithPossibleError() -> Int? {
    let result: Int = random(0, 5, true);

    // Match keyword works very similar to other languages
    ret match result {
        3 -> nil,
        val -> val,
    }
}

// No return argument needed if function returns void
// Note that this is *only* if the function returns void
op printMessage(String message) {
    printf(`[%s] %s`, languageName, message);
}

[dawn ledge]

interesting

kotlin vibes

[valid jetty]

idk what i was doing with op and ret lmao

I FOUND AN OLDER ONE

// Import statements follow a lib:file@{method1, method2...} format;
require elle:io;
require elle:int@{random};

// Use `expose` to export functions so they can be imported by other files
// You *must* expose the main function for it to be runnable
expose op main() {
    Int32 resWithThree = randomWithMultiplier(3); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 3 using positional arguments
    Int32 resWithSixteen = randomWithMultiplier(multiplier: 16); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 16 using keyword arguments
    printMessage(`First result is %{resWithThree} and second is %{resWithSixteen}`);

    Int32? maybeRes = randomWithPossibleError();

    if (maybeRes) {
        // In this scope, maybeRes is just Int32 not Int32?
        printMessage(`Result is %{maybeRes}`);
    } else {
        // This is a character because it's a single quote.
        printMessage('a');
        printMessage("Oh no! We failed.");
    }
}

op randomWithMultiplier(Int32 multiplier) -> Int32 {
    // If a function uses keyword arguments they must *all* be keyword arguments
    // Use the ret keyword to return from the operation
    ret random(between: 0, and: 10, included: true) * multiplier;
}

// Operations can either return a value or void.
// `nil` is the undefined/null value in Elle.
// Use the '?' operator at the end of the return type to denote that the function can return nil.
op randomWithPossibleError() -> Int32? {
    Int32 result = random(0, 5, true);

    // Match keyword works very similar to other languages
    ret match result {
        3 -> nil,
        val -> val,
    }
}

// No return argument needed if function returns void
// Note that this is *only* if the function returns void
op printMessage(string message) {
    io::print(message);
}

[leaden crater]

this looks interesting

I'll definitely take inspiration

[valid jetty]

modern elle can do all which that can do except match statements, keyword arguments, and string interpolation :3

[dense sand]

still more features than java /s

[valid jetty]

java is such a slop

[dense sand]

when documenting code, and the 2nd function is essentially the same but with a different parameter, would you copy paste the docs or just leave it empty like this?

[valid jetty]

anyway "modern" elle

use std/prelude;
use std/option;

const LANGUAGE_NAME = "Elle";

fn random_with_multiplier(i32 multiplier) -> i32 {
    return rand::random(0, 10) * multiplier;
}

fn random_with_possible_error() -> Option<i32> {
    result := rand::random(0, 5);

    if result == 3 {
        return Option::None();
    } else {
        return Option::Some(result);
    }
}

fn print_message<T>(T message) {
    $printf("[{}] {}", LANGUAGE_NAME, message);
}

fn main() {
    rand::seed(time(nil));
    resWithThree := random_with_multiplier(3);
    resWithSixteen := random_with_multiplier(16);
    print_message("First result is {} and second is {}".format(resWithThree, resWithSixteen));

    maybeRes := random_with_possible_error();

    if maybeRes.is_some() && res := maybeRes.unwrap() {
        print_message("Result is {}".format(res));
    } else {
        print_message('a');
        print_message("Oh no! We failed.");
    }
}

[valid jetty]

copy paste the docs

make it explicit

[leaden crater]

wym maybeRes

[valid jetty]

typeof maybeRes === Option<i32>

you could have a res you could not have a res

so you maybe have a res

hence maybeRes

[leaden crater]

wow

3 valued boolean logic when

[valid jetty]

the infamous enum 💔

[leaden crater]

what does that do

[valid jetty]

if you ever need 3 states you can literally just

enum Foo {
  A,
  B,
  C
}

fn foo(x: Foo) {
    match x {
        Foo::A => ...,
        Foo::B => ...,
        Foo::C => ...
    }
}  
``` (this is rust not elle)

[leaden crater]

i was thinking about a 3 valued bool the other day and i told a friend about it and he absolutely despised the idea

0 for no
1 for yes
2 for idk maybe

[valid jetty]

yeah thats basically a 3 valued bool

thats kinda a solved problem by enums

[leaden crater]

maybe I'll try rust

seems to fix my problems

[valid jetty]

thats not a rust thing lol

a lot of langauges have enums

heck even TS and C have enums

[leaden crater]

yes but i hate c

[lavish frigate]

yea you should :3

[leaden crater]

i was doing some c yesterday for school and the problem took almost one hour, when it would take 1 minute in cpp

[valid jetty]

what was the problem

[leaden crater]

it looks very intimidating

[valid jetty]

im sure theres a more elegant way to do it

was it the suffix thing

[leaden crater]

it was to find a certain ascii character in a string and find how many occurrences there are and replace each occurrence with the total number of occurrences

example: apple
we say p
a22le

[leaden crater]

nop that's just my head

[valid jetty]

oh run length encoding???

oh

similar ish

[leaden crater]

i hate str... functions for c

i wish they would explode

[valid jetty]

yeah thats justified

are there any restrictions on the code???

because thats pretty easy lol

[leaden crater]

not really, just using the ascii value

[leaden crater]

maybe but it's pain in c

would it be simple in rust, should i give up c and learn rust

[valid jetty]

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>

char *replace_with_count(char *str, char target) {
    char *copy = strdup(str);
    int count = 0;

    // count occurences
    for (char *p = str; *p; p++) {
        if (*p == target) count++;
    }

    if (count == 0) return copy;

    // replace occurences with count
    for (char *p = copy; *p; p++) {
        if (*p == target) *p = '0' + count; // ('0' + x) is an easy way to convert a number into its char representation
    }
    
    return copy;
}

int main() {
    char *word = replace_with_count("apple", 'p');
    printf("%s\n", word); // a22le

    return 0;
}
``` easy enough

[leaden crater]

@lavish frigate is rust learnable in 3 months

[leaden crater]

i did it differently a bit

[valid jetty]

idk i dont think that should take an hour lol

[leaden crater]

well okay maybe i was exaggerating a bit but they take a lot of time for me

i really don't get c strings

[dense sand]

why do i have 2 autocompletes 😭

[lavish frigate]

idk depends on how fast you learn i guess i still have a lot of stuff to learn myself

[valid jetty]

i’ve been learning rust while making elle for at least a year

[leaden crater]

where to learn (don't say the manual)

[valid jetty]

because i have commits from a year ago

[valid jetty]

make stuff

find stuff you need and try to write it in rust

[lavish frigate]

well if you dont want the book then just make stuff

[valid jetty]

ask questions as you go

[lavish frigate]

yep

and you can use rust for basically anything

[leaden crater]

can i ask here or would it be too bothersome

[lavish frigate]

sure you can ask here

[valid jetty]

yeah

[leaden crater]

I'll utilize my free time to learn rust because anyways the school year is almost over

but i don't really know where to start, like,

i don't know how to write in rust

[hazy pine]

theres a book

[leaden crater]

[lavish frigate]

(https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/)

[dense sand]

id just pick a project and learn while working on it

[leaden crater]

i don't know if i can focus enough to read through a book

but I'll try

[hazy pine]

the book is so good that it rust comes with it preinstalled

[hazy pine]

if i could (kinda) do it, you can too

[leaden crater]

well if i read pacman manual entries i think this is doable

[lavish frigate]

well its less a book and just a written tutorial

explaining a bunch of concepts

[leaden crater]

I'll start today (if i finish schoolwork) or tomorrow

i still have to write 6 more c stupid problems for Monday

[lavish frigate]

i recommend you read the first page rn so your brain will think of it as unfinished work and you forget less easy it can also add a lot of intrigue and curiosity to drive you after your schoolwork

👍

[leaden crater]

installing rust with curl is the last thing I'd think about

[hazy pine]

crazy

[lavish frigate]

you install rustup with curl which is basically an official version manager

and then you install cargo and rustc using rustup

[leaden crater]

yes but pacman -S rustup

[lavish frigate]

sure

[leaden crater]

i already have rust installed because of that prime problem a while ago

[hoary sluice]

depends on what you mean by learn

you can learn to read it in 15 minutes

you can learn everything you need to write a compiler in a day

you can learn to use it well in way less than 3 months

[lavish frigate]

you can learn to use it well in a week fueled by pure dedication

[hazy pine]

i really want to learn rust but like

[hoary sluice]

i took a day to learn it then wrote an interpreter but my code ended up being super ugly so now im rewriting it on and off

[hazy pine]

ive read the entire book, i understand the concept (mostly), now what?

what do i make

[hoary sluice]

a compiler

[lavish frigate]

What do you usually make

[hoary sluice]

or do aoc

[leaden crater]

i learned to install and manage arch problems that i have (besides nvidia) in 2-3 days because of dedication

[hazy pine]

thats the problem

i dont make anything anymore, i dont got ideas

[hoary sluice]

now do nixos

[leaden crater]

fuck nixos

[hoary sluice]

have u ever used it

[lavish frigate]

What did you use to make

[leaden crater]

hyfetch --DISTRO nixos

[hoary sluice]

hyfetch

[leaden crater]

no but i heard all the yapping about it in this server and I'm not eager to think about nixos anymore

[hazy pine]

well, mostly websites and discord bots 😭

[lavish frigate]

Try to make websites and discord bots in rust!

[hazy pine]

but god do i want to do more

[hazy pine]

yeah but what do i makee

[hoary sluice]

nix is genuinely so awesome and you dont even need to install the distro you can just use the package manager

at least dont say fuck nixos then

[hoary sluice]

a compiler

[hazy pine]

i am going to shoot you

[hoary sluice]

why

[hazy pine]

a compiler is scary

[hoary sluice]

no its not

[leaden crater]

make a website about you

[hoary sluice]

its fun

[hoary sluice]

https://dioxuslabs.com

[leaden crater]

@hazy pine you can recode doom in rust

[hazy pine]

euaewhe

you guys are too good at coding

[leaden crater]

I'm not

I'm literally so bad

[hazy pine]

suree buddy

[leaden crater]

I'm really bad

[hazy pine]

sureeee

[leaden crater]

it took me 30 minutes to do something in c

[hazy pine]

ok you could be bad but like comparatively

to me

[leaden crater]

something as easy as possible

[hazy pine]

i cant do ANYTHING in c

[lavish frigate]

i tried to make dynamic arrays in c once

never again

[leaden crater]

should i use vim, nano, nvim, or visual for rust

[hoary sluice]

tsoding reference

[hoary sluice]

nano 💀

[lavish frigate]

it segfaulted 15 times within a microsecond, crashed my computer, it rebooted, it bluescreened, tried to start, c installed linux, linux started, i tried to get out, it deleted all my data, i shut my pc down, c turned it back on again, it deleted linux again, installed windows, it bluescreened, started again, hacked into the NSA, got my data back, fixed my code, recompiled and then it worked

[hoary sluice]

u should use nvim for everything besides kotlin and qt

[lavish frigate]

use whatever you are most comfy with

[hoary sluice]

if someone is most comfy with nano that doesnt mean he should use nano

[leaden crater]

i literally used nano for my last rust file (it was very mundanely basic)

[hoary sluice]

it severely hinders productivity

[hazy pine]

what if i want all my cool fancy vscode features

[hoary sluice]

u can get all of them and more in nvim

[lavish frigate]

someone in a familiar environment is infinitely more productive than forcing them to use nvim

because you are comfy with it doesnt mean others are

[hoary sluice]

more productive for the first 5 minutes after which their productivity degrades severely because in those 5 minutes theo couldve learned enough vim to be at least twice as fast than in nano

[leaden crater]

I'm only familiar with the worst app known to mankind, codeblocks

[lavish frigate]

i tried nvim, used it for a week, got all those fancy plugins and whatever people recommended and even learnt how to use lua to config it
i still below half my productivity level as with vscode just because its so unfamiliar and just does not work for me

[hoary sluice]

i had to use nano a bit ago cause nixos comes with only nano preinstalled and it was the most horrible experience of my life and i dont understand how anyone could ever use nano to actually write software, i can understand vscode or jetbrains ides but nat nano

[hoary sluice]

are u using vim motions in vscode

[lavish frigate]

no

[hoary sluice]

how are u navigating then

[lavish frigate]

keybinds or mouse

[hoary sluice]

what keybinds

arrow keys, home, pg up, pg down, end?

[dense sand]

I still use this in neovim

[hoary sluice]

unbind them and force urself to use proper keys

[lavish frigate]

idfk the default vscode keybinds

[hazy pine]

i did that

[dense sand]

Did u learn?

[hoary sluice]

u should learn to use vim motions inside vscode

[hazy pine]

honestly im using nvim cause vscode is too heavy

[hazy pine]

yess

[lavish frigate]

i tried vim motions and it sucked for me

[hoary sluice]

vim motions dont require nvim

[hazy pine]

still absolutely suck at vim motions

[lavish frigate]

again i did try nvim, i still use vim on the server

i tried vim motions on jetbrains and vscode

it just does not work for me

and telling others to force your ways again is just stupid

[dense sand]

I need a new vim setup

[hoary sluice]

yea it sucks for the first week or month cause ur not used to it yet, like literally everything in life, it doesnt mean u should give up, i was garbage at vim for a long time but now im so glad that i learned it cause when i see other people writing code without vim its just painfully slow

[lavish frigate]

😭

dude

[hoary sluice]

im not forcing anyone idc how efficient you are

it makes no difference in my life if you use vim or not

im just telling you its worth it

[lavish frigate]

why are you trying so hard then 😭

[dense sand]

The 0.2 seconds it takes to my hand to get to the arrow keys isnt that bad

[hoary sluice]

im bored and burnt out

[lavish frigate]

yea from using nvim

[hoary sluice]

lmao

[lavish frigate]

hop back on vscode to avoid burnout

vscode will fix all your problems

use vscode immediately

it will 1000x your productivity

[leaden crater]

@hoary sluice just type :qa!

[hoary sluice]

i did that for a week and gok burnt out

still burnt out from it

[leaden crater]

use nano

[hoary sluice]

need to do a bit more vimming to cool down

[hoary sluice]

its not even abt the time save at that point its abt the comfort

[leaden crater]

i feel like people hate nano with no ground whatsoever, it's actually pretty good

[lavish frigate]

the linux poisoned mind will never understand this

[hoary sluice]

no its garbage i used it last friday and hated every second of it i will never use nano again im gonna install vim via curl if thans what it takes

[lavish frigate]

cuz people are stuck up and must repeat everything they heard online ignoring what other people find productive or comfy

[dense sand]

Winget duh

[hoary sluice]

name a single comfy thing about nano

[leaden crater]

i will not hear this opinion

I'll use whatever i want

[hoary sluice]

its jusn a barebones editor made for people getting started with editing in the terminal

[lavish frigate]

its very quick, especially with the keybinds and its easy to learn and master

if someone prefers that experience over the alternatives who are you to tell them off

[leaden crater]

i dislike vim

[lavish frigate]

especially when you are so hyper focused on a different editor

[hoary sluice]

nobodo actually learns nano because its a good editor, they use it because its all they know

[leaden crater]

ok

[hoary sluice]

do you use nano as your main editor

[lavish frigate]

nobodo actually learns nvim because its a good editor, they use it because other people force them into learning it

[leaden crater]

if i want something quick and don't want to boot up visual studio before my idea vanishes yes

it's very simple to use and gets the job done

[hoary sluice]

why are you making fun of me typing fast on my keyboard and not bothering to fix mistakes that everyone can look past anyways

[lavish frigate]

im not making fun of you

im copying what you are doing so you realize that what you are saying is insane

[hoary sluice]

except people actually use nvim as their main editor?

[lavish frigate]

except people actually use nano as their main editor?

[leaden crater]

ok, I'll use sticky notes as my editor, how's that then

[hoary sluice]

you just said vscode is ur main editor

[hazy pine]

is nvim really that bad

[leaden crater]

it's not

[hoary sluice]

no

[lavish frigate]

no its not

[leaden crater]

i use codeblocks, visual, nano

[lavish frigate]

but someone here is arguing about preference

[hoary sluice]

visual as in vi?

[hoary sluice]

like i said idc what you use i just dont understand how someone could ever use nano as their main editor and ive never seen someone who, when making an actual project (not just patching up config files in the terminal) actually uses nano

if you know someone feel free to show me

[lavish frigate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary sluice]

cause if u do then we agree

[hoary sluice]

pls say vscode not visual

visual is the name of vi, the predecessor to vim

its confusing

[lavish frigate]

been experimenting with fuzzy find in vscode i like it a lot

[hoary sluice]

been experimenting with fuzzy find in nvim :blobcatcozy: i like it a lot

why did it not send

[hazy pine]

teach me your ways

[lavish frigate]

sadly fzf in nvim sucks 😔

[hoary sluice]

how

[lavish frigate]

its just not like in vscode

[hoary sluice]

ah ok that explanation makes sense and i now understand why nvim fzf is worse

[winged mantle]

lol the biggest bottleneck of my parsing code is Object.defineProperty

[lavish frigate]

its just so much slower

[winged mantle]

oh yeah

i remember why i was doing this

if i make my parser a library who knows what insane things people will try

[lavish frigate]

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[winged mantle]

single process for 1m discord servers

[hoary sluice]

hello its literally completely intantaneous

[lavish frigate]

you sure?

[hoary sluice]

yes im sure

[lavish frigate]

maybe its something with your computer being slow in general idk for me nvim fzf is just extremely slow while everything else is fast

[hoary sluice]

they literally use the same tool idk what youre on about

the only way its not instant is if i start vim in the root directory and search for something

which is almost 200GB of files

and even there it takes less than a second and updates live so you see more and more files show up as it searches

both vscode and nvim use ripgrep in fzf so they have the exact same speed because they use the same tool

[hoary sluice]

still the fzf search results fill instantly so there is nothing slow about it

unless you were working in a gigantic project (hundreds of GB of non excluded files) and were using normal grep in nvim and ripgrep in vscode

[dawn ledge]

is it fzf that is slow or your terminal emulator

[lavish frigate]

its me ragebaiting

[dawn ledge]

true

[lavish frigate]

if you are an ass to me when i try to change the convo to something better i will just start ragebaiting

and the easiest way to do that on nvim users is to lie about speed

[dense sand]

yes thanks im havign anxiety from C

[lavish frigate]

what search engine is that...

[dawn ledge]

looks like bing

[hoary sluice]

duckduckgo

[dense sand]

like bruh i literally compiled with it and it correctly crashes when running in gdb environment, but it wont trigger on any leaks...

[valid jetty]

forget “what’s the best linux distro” this guy’s asking the real questions

[dawn ledge]

literally just a vscode reskin

[lavish frigate]

i use real vibe coding tools like

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty typst looks very complex, like spaghetti compared to latex (project from a friend)
too much paranthesis

[lavish frigate]

https://www.jetbrains.com/junie/

and https://windsurf.com/editor

[dawn ledge]

its literally better and more readable than latex

you just gotta format it properly

[lavish frigate]

this looks like spaghetti cuz what the fuck is that use of whitespace

[leaden crater]

i find latex more readable

[dawn ledge]

almost all of these parens are unnecessary