🪅-progaming

[valid jetty]

i have only 208 liked lol

[crisp kestrel]

first time?

[leaden crater]

not a lot

[crisp kestrel]

[dawn ledge]

i dont have separate playlists

[crisp kestrel]

this was me until I switched

[valid jetty]

HUSK

[spark tiger]

same i just listen to liked songs

[valid jetty]

now that is a sin

[crisp kestrel]

had a shit ton of songs

[dawn ledge]

i just throw it all in liked and let spotify dictate whether im gonna cry or dance

[valid jetty]

i usually listen to albums nowadays

[crisp kestrel]

my songs are MAINLY sad

[crisp kestrel]

(English ones anyway)

it's so over lmfao

[valid jetty]

lmao yeah same 😭 idk whats up with my english tastes

[frosty obsidian]

i don't think this is programming

[crisp kestrel]

booting up the puhc

🙏

[valid jetty]

im training my ai on their convo dont worry

[leaden crater]

this is mostly enka

[crisp kestrel]

this?

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty do you use win or linux

[crisp kestrel]

she uses mac

[valid jetty]

linux and macos

[crisp kestrel]

oh and linux apparently xd

[leaden crater]

arch?

[dawn ledge]

which distro

[valid jetty]

fedora

[dawn ledge]

missing out

[leaden crater]

install figlet

and sl

[dawn ledge]

(on the pains of nixos)

[valid jetty]

what is figlet

[crisp kestrel]

figlet

[valid jetty]

i already have kronkhite

it does tiling on kwin

if thats what it is

oh fun

[leaden crater]

Name            : figlet
Version         : 2.2.5-6
Description     : A program for making large letters out of ordinary text
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : http://www.figlet.org/
Licenses        : BSD
Groups          : None
Provides        : None
Depends On      : glibc  sh
Optional Deps   : None
Required By     : None
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : None
Installed Size  : 641.58 KiB
Packager        : T.J. Townsend <[e-mail]>
Build Date      : Fri 12 Jul 2024 05:40:19 PM EEST
Install Date    : Mon 31 Mar 2025 01:18:18 AM EEST
Install Reason  : Explicitly installed
Install Script  : No
Validated By    : Signature

[crisp kestrel]

rosie did i show you the last mac os setup i had for windows lmfao

[valid jetty]

why do i need this lol

[crisp kestrel]

actually guh i dont have any screenshots i think

[crisp kestrel]

so cute

[valid jetty]

show lol

[crisp kestrel]

IF i find a screnshot

[valid jetty]

!!!!

[crisp kestrel]

cannot be bothered actually

[valid jetty]

lmaoo ok

[dawn ledge]

rosie pro ricer

[frosty obsidian]

[jade stone]

thanks lldb, very cool

[valid jetty]

actually this is my first rice

ive never riced linux before

was fun tho

[crisp kestrel]

oh nvm

here is the LAST one

although i had another one

[valid jetty]

i made the ff from scratch it took a while

[dawn ledge]

my rice isnt even worth calling a rice its all just badly taped together
dont even have an app launcher or status bar

[crisp kestrel]

which i cant really find rn...,,.,.,.,.

[valid jetty]

looks nice actually lol

i love

[leaden crater]

演歌 & 歌謡曲

[crisp kestrel]

what is she saying rosie

what is this person saying to me right now

[valid jetty]

enka and pop songss??

[jade stone]

what programs are you using to nuke the taskbar?

[leaden crater]

https://t12487ss.wixsite.com/kayokyoku/blank

[crisp kestrel]

I used MyDockFinder, actually; its the dock and statusbar at the same time; you can disable the status bar to only keep the dock

i don't know any other app to nuke taskbar, unfortunately

[valid jetty]

this is why you use kde plasma like a sane person

[dawn ledge]

i would never touch kde

[valid jetty]

or i guess, not nixos

[dawn ledge]

even more so gnome

[valid jetty]

why

do you love complexity

[dawn ledge]

i have tried kde in the past, i just dont really like it

although i hate gnome unconditionally cause of gtk

[valid jetty]

lmao thats fair

kde can be good if you spend the time

i have dynamic tiling https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026504914131759104/1348730973390503996/Kooha-2025-03-10-18-53-52.mp4?ex=67eb8dda&is=67ea3c5a&hm=8a2ae816cb0772c371e15bc14ad25436dd999d0eeeb3e892f37d129003649e7c&

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape i hate having to do this

[leaden crater]

phub ahem

[hoary sluice]

this goes against my morals

[dawn ledge]

in an ideal world i would make my own DE

[valid jetty]

i have never seen you in progaming before

[leaden crater]

@crisp kestrel
Write an essay of at least 400 words in which you present the distinctive features of a psychological novel or a studied experience. In developing the essay, you should consider the following guidelines:

– Highlight two characteristics that enable the classification of the studied novel within a specific period, a cultural/literary movement, or a thematic orientation;

– Comment on two episodes or sequences that are significant for the theme of the studied novel;

– Analyze two elements of structure, composition, and/or language that are relevant to the studied novel (for example: plot, conflict, temporal and spatial relationships, incipit, ending, narrative techniques, narrative voices, narrative perspective, stylistic registers, language, etc.).

[leaden crater]

you use kde?

[valid jetty]

yes !!

[valid jetty]

@leaden crater

[leaden crater]

fren :3

[leaden crater]

mzki

[valid jetty]

mizuki is my kinnie

[leaden crater]

real

[crisp kestrel]

are you talking about ultima noapte again

you're an AI

[leaden crater]

[crisp kestrel]

tell me who made it, when they made it, what type it is

no cheating

[placid cape]

I'll also have to do it so yeah heh

[leaden crater]

1930 psihological roman c. petrescu

[crisp kestrel]

good

now, what was made in 1916 and 1919

also 1920

and 1921, 1923 and 1927

[dawn ledge]

1920x1080

[crisp kestrel]

oh and when was Alexandru Lapusneanu made

[leaden crater]

erm

mudromu i plemenitomu

[crisp kestrel]

this is all your fault

[crisp kestrel]

1840, Costache Negruzzi, Romantism, Nuvela istorica romantica

stupid doofus

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty i just found this

insane predict

[crisp kestrel]

news!!

oh shit i was supposed to listen to the song rosie sent

death

[leaden crater]

listen to ozlem teresa ten

[jade stone]

i am going to go insane i hate windows

running lldb from the command line does nothing

but running it from explorer tells me a DLL wasn't found

why

[dawn ledge]

ai companies going "all code will be ai generated in X time", "humans will not be neede in Y time" is so funny

[crisp kestrel]

i almost forgot to make an alarm for 6:45 and its all your fault

[valid jetty]

AI could NEVER write the code im writing

[crisp kestrel]

the last song you sent is peak

のだ by 大漠波新

[leaden crater]

good

[crisp kestrel]

WTF

you literally hate me

[valid jetty]

のだが大好き！！

[leaden crater]

choose one

[crisp kestrel]

i will not pay attention to the haters...

[valid jetty]

bあn

[dawn ledge]

you dont understand in just 12 million months AI will be capable of even working on the most obscure FFMpeg code, writing cocmpilers is nothing!

[valid jetty]

by the time ai figures out how to do that ill have redefined proramming approximately 4.2 times

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice whats an abbr/smaller synonym for monomorphization

i cant exactly call the folder that does that "monomorphization" its way too long

[leaden crater]

how can you ignore this

[dawn ledge]

monomorph :^)

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty you are 1 hour behind me the shops are still open can you get me a red bull

[valid jetty]

no redbull is bad for you

[hoary sluice]

yes you can

[valid jetty]

ill go to the little alleyway near your house and get you hard drugs instead

[leaden crater]

what!

[hoary sluice]

not finishing diploma thesis and delaying graduation by 3 months is arguably worse

also red bull is healthy

[leaden crater]

red bull bad

monster is better

[valid jetty]

red bull tastes like chemicals

[leaden crater]

(4th today)

[valid jetty]

i LOVE monster

[hoary sluice]

i knew you would say that

jump

[leaden crater]

jump what?

[hoary sluice]

jump too

[leaden crater]

i aleady have spacebar

[valid jetty]

monarch, pipeline punch, mango loco, the white one

pretty good

[hoary sluice]

off a location that is offset from the ground by at least a deadly amout

[valid jetty]

monarch by far best tho

[valid jetty]

wait im a trampoline

[hoary sluice]

"the white one" 😭

[valid jetty]

IDK WHAT ITS CALLED

dont judge us monster drinkers we dont know what our own drinks are called

[hoary sluice]

its called ultra i think

[crisp kestrel]

of course u drink monster

[valid jetty]

yea that sounds about right

[crisp kestrel]

hate aside ellie u stinky

[hoary sluice]

i think ive tried monster once when i was like 12, hated it, never drank it again

[dawn ledge]

you wont believe it

(it is chemicals)

[valid jetty]

😱

[leaden crater]

void displayMenu() {
    system("cls"); // Clear screen
    cout << "SYSTEM COMMANDS:\n";
    cout << "COMMAND    DESCRIPTION\n";
    cout << "CRASH      Force crash the game\n";
    cout << "SAVE       Force save game state\n";
    cout << "LOAD       Force load game state\n";
    cout << "RESET      Reset all game variables\n";
    cout << "EXIT       Return to previous menu\n";
    cout << " > ";
}

[leaden crater]

okai puhbu

[lavish frigate]

i love drinking cheap energy drinks because they taste like chemical piss

[valid jetty]

irn bru and lucozade original also tastes like chemicals

[leaden crater]

puhbu u drink only literature

[valid jetty]

no that is literally devilspawn

cheap energy drinks give me a massive headache

[dawn ledge]

runs on linux
doesnt clear screen
mfw

[lavish frigate]

what do we think
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/03/31/hacker-claims-to-have-leaked-200-million-x-user-data-records-for-free/

[dawn ledge]

i maintain a very healthy lifestyle
no energy drinks

we dont talk about my sleep schedule

[leaden crater]

blue pink white green and pink 2

[valid jetty]

ultra strawberry dreams??

[leaden crater]

this is for windows

yesss

[valid jetty]

that flavour is VILE

its pretty but i hate it

[hoary sluice]

wheres the torrent

[lavish frigate]

true!

[valid jetty]

i couldnt bring myself to finish the can i dumped it in the sink

[lavish frigate]

i drink monster when i actually need a good energy drink

[leaden crater]

i have like a stack of 40 cans in my room

[lavish frigate]

👎

[dawn ledge]

horror

[lavish frigate]

clean your room

[leaden crater]

its clean

[valid jetty]

i think they mean full cans

[dawn ledge]

how are y'all still alive after all that

[leaden crater]

empty, tied for pfand

[lavish frigate]

not sure

[valid jetty]

i chugged 2 monsters in 1 day and my reaction was amazing lmao

[hoary sluice]

me writing the "plan" we made "in september" knowing full well i completely freestyled this, rewrote the backend in rust midway through and am about to run out of time

[dawn ledge]

embrace the rust

[leaden crater]

once i had 2 latte 2 double espresso 1 monster and 3 normal coffees in 1 day

[dawn ledge]

oxidize

vencord average life expentancy is 12y

[ionic lake]

use #[no_std]

[hoary sluice]

once i had 5 red bulls in 1 day and it was one of the best days of my life

[leaden crater]

the heart.stop() isnt implemented in my system so i cant die

[dawn ledge]

#![no_std] is fire

[valid jetty]

thats so me

[runic sundial]

20 espressos in one beeg mug.

yummy.

[valid jetty]

im gonna finish ichigo and then completely wing the documentation as if i planned this

[dawn ledge]

sigterm

[leaden crater]

once i had 4L of beer in 1 day and then some vodka

[valid jetty]

im gonna make the 地雷系 dress for the other project and then completely wing my diary and sources/research as if ive been doing this all year

[runic sundial]

I love whiskey and reign energy drink

very good

[hoary sluice]

ive never gotten drunk and its staying that way

[leaden crater]

i wasnt drunk xd

[valid jetty]

ive been drunk before but i should stop i have too many secrets

[lavish frigate]

sigterm/exit so bad we php'ers do die();

[valid jetty]

and i make horrible typos when im drunk

[leaden crater]

i can tolerate up to 500ml 52%

[leaden crater]

1 billion coding warnings

[runic sundial]

All at once?

[runic sundial]

Just chug it

[leaden crater]

ya

its not that bad

ngl

i've had 68% palinka before and its cool

[runic sundial]

now do it on an empty stomach

tr

[leaden crater]

it was 6am after 3h of sleep

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice have you ever been this drunk

[leaden crater]

yoi gptee is broken

[hoary sluice]

how and why

[valid jetty]

wdym how

[hoary sluice]

how did you get alcohol

[leaden crater]

with cash?

[hoary sluice]

ive only ever tasted alcohol

[valid jetty]

my parents are romanian they have a mini bar at my house

[hoary sluice]

lmao

i forgot

[leaden crater]

100% true here too but i ated it all

[valid jetty]

as for why

more secrets

[dawn ledge]

rosie thinks she mysterious

[valid jetty]

nope !!

[dawn ledge]

(shes gonna lore dump in vencord one day shes drunk)

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty do you wanna see very very very very very very awful rust code

[valid jetty]

i read through my whole convo of this night to make sure i didnt say anything bad lol

i was fine and then within 5 mins i slowly had worse and worse typos

[lavish frigate]

i love dioxus

[valid jetty]

yessss

cant be worse than my rust code

[valid jetty]

oh god i hope not

[runic sundial]

unsafe {}

[dawn ledge]

so much for hotreload

[runic sundial]

whole thing

[leaden crater]

one day you'll typo and speak englishjapaneseromanian colloq.

[dawn ledge]

dioxus has a lot of unsafe

[lavish frigate]

its in the next release + this is just firewall

[hoary sluice]

rosie always talking about compilers no matter what

[valid jetty]

oh no embed

WHY

[dawn ledge]

rosie why qbe over llvm /gen

[hoary sluice]

you sent the same link

[valid jetty]

np

different line number

[valid jetty]

i mentioned quite a few times i think xd

[lavish frigate]

unsafe isnt inherently and i dont have any problems with it

[valid jetty]

like uhhh

[lavish frigate]

its just windows doing windows things

[valid jetty]

it was easier when i first started working on elle because qbe is simpler

[dawn ledge]

im not saying its bad, im just tsaying they use it extensively

[dawn ledge]

i see

[valid jetty]

but now that elle is complex i regret it and llvm is probably a better choice at this point

[leaden crater]

its made by ai, so you can see the future of "obfuscation"

use bevy::{math::bounding::{Aabb2d as _0xA,BoundingCircle as _0xB,BoundingVolume as _0xC,IntersectsVolume as _0xD},prelude::*,sprite::MaterialMesh2dBundle as _0xE};
mod _0xF;
const _0xG: Vec3 = Vec3::new(0.,200.,1.); const _0xH: Vec3 = Vec3::new(0.,0.,1.); const _0xI: f32 = 30.; const _0xJ: Vec2 = Vec2::new(.5,0.); const _0xK: f32 = 40.; const _0xL: Val = Val::Px(5.); const _0xM: Color = Color::srgb(.9,.9,.9); const _0xN: Color = Color::srgb(.9,0.,0.); const _0xO: Color = Color::srgb(.5,.5,1.); const _0xP: Color = Color::srgb(1.,.5,.5);
fn _0xQ() { App::new().add_plugins(DefaultPlugins).add_plugins(_0xF::_0xR::default().add_schedule(Update).add_schedule(FixedUpdate).at(Val::Percent(35.),Val::Percent(50.))).insert_resource(ClearColor(_0xM)).add_systems(Startup,_0xS).add_systems(FixedUpdate,(_0xT,).chain()).add_systems(FixedUpdate,(_0xU,).chain()).run(); }
#[derive(Component)] struct _0xV; #[derive(Component,Deref,DerefMut)] struct _0xW(Vec2); #[derive(Component,Deref,DerefMut)] struct _0xX(f32);
fn _0xS(mut _0xY: Commands, mut _0xZ: ResMut<Assets<Mesh>>, mut _0xAA: ResMut<Assets<ColorMaterial>>, _0xAB: Res<AssetServer>) { _0xY.spawn(Camera2dBundle::default()); let _0xAC = |pos: Vec3, scale: f32, vel: Vec2, mass: f32| _0xY.spawn((_0xE{mesh:_0xZ.add(Circle::default()).into(),material:_0xAA.add(_0xN),transform:Transform::from_translation(pos).with_scale(Vec2::splat(scale).extend(1.)),

[dawn ledge]

that macro you sent is some nightmare fuel

[valid jetty]

i mean potato tomato both have similar codegen technically but llvm has more strict types and more instructions and more optimization

[hoary sluice]

!!!!! (its fully chatgpt)

[leaden crater]

not that bad honestly, it can get worse with ai "obfuscation"

[valid jetty]

the thing i sent?

[dawn ledge]

yeah

[valid jetty]

lmaooo

[dawn ledge]

the entire file is tbh :^)

[valid jetty]

do you love

[dawn ledge]

my brain cannot handle more than like 500 lines

i need to split files

[valid jetty]

almost done only like 5 nodes left to compile

so far

[dawn ledge]

macros in elle!

[valid jetty]

macros are just very extreme cases of inlining so its very possible

[leaden crater]

i need some opinions about "goto" and " ternary op ? : "

[dawn ledge]

elle async

[valid jetty]

goto is great, ternary is great if the nesting of ternaries <= 2

[leaden crater]

YES GOTO IS GREAT

FINNALY SOMEONE

[valid jetty]

i will say tho

goto is only great for breaking out of nested loops

or a switch case in a loop

like

for (;;) {
    switch (x) {
    case "foo": goto out;
    default: break;
    }
}

out:
  printf("hi im out\n");

[lavish frigate]

do you guys think turning off the firewall completely is an option

[leaden crater]

for?

or why

[fleet cedar]

Goto is shit, competent languages don't need it

Ternary op is a decent workaround for if your language makes an unnecessary distinction between expressions and statements

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge give me your divine rust knowledge is there a neater way to write this code

use crate::{
    compiler::{
        compiler::{Codegen, CodegenContext, Compiler},
        enums::{Instruction, Type, Value},
    },
    parser::enums::Return,
};

impl Codegen<'_> for Return {
    fn compile(self, gen: &mut Compiler, ctx: &CodegenContext<'_>) -> Option<(Type, Value)> {
        let res = gen.generate_statement(
            ctx.func,
            ctx.module,
            *self.value,
            ctx.ty.clone(),
            None,
            true,
        );

        if !ctx.func.borrow_mut().manual {
            ctx.func.borrow_mut().add_instruction(Instruction::Return(
                res.map(|(ty, val)| (ty, val, self.location)),
            ))
        }

        None
    }
}

[dawn ledge]

this is already neat enough

[valid jetty]

hmm idk

[cinder egret]

there is a way but i won’t tell you

ask chatgpt @valid jetty

[valid jetty]

faye only writes python code and vibe codes

[cinder egret]

yeah

[fleet cedar]

Function with six parameters is a bit too much

[dawn ledge]

its fiiiiiiiineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[valid jetty]

it takes ctx.func, ctx.module, ctx.ty, ctx.value, ctx.is_return

im gonna move all of those into 1 struct and pass that through

at some point

its already in a struct but i meant like, getting rid of the multiple params

there are a lot of things that call that function

it would be a lot of refactoring

[dawn ledge]

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/compiler/rustc_codegen_llvm/src/builder.rs#L338-L348

[valid jetty]

Funclet

when the lifetime has multiple characters you know its peak code

[fleet cedar]

'de

[dawn ledge]

i mean for a file this small, this is very readable

[leaden crater]

int main() {
    int choice;
    
main_menu:
    cout << "\nMain Menu:\n";
    cout << "1. Option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Option 3\n";
    cout << "4. Option 4\n";
    cout << "5. Option 5\n";
    cout << "6. Exit\n";
    cout << "Enter choice (1-6): ";
    cin >> choice;
    
    if (choice == 1) goto menu1;
    if (choice == 2) goto menu2;
    if (choice == 3) goto menu3;
    if (choice == 4) goto menu4;
    if (choice == 5) goto menu5;
    if (choice == 6) return 0;
    goto main_menu;

menu1:
    cout << "\nMenu 1 Selected\n";
    cout << "1. Sub-option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Sub-option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Back to Main Menu\n";
    
menu2:
    cout << "\nMenu 2 Selected\n";
    cout << "1. Sub-option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Sub-option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Back to Main Menu\n";
    
menu3:
    cout << "\nMenu 3 Selected\n";
    cout << "1. Sub-option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Sub-option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Back to Main Menu\n";
    cin >> choice;
    
menu4:
    cout << "\nMenu 4 Selected\n";
    cout << "1. Sub-option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Sub-option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Back to Main Menu\n";
    cin >> choice;
    
menu5:
    cout << "\nMenu 5 Selected\n";
    cout << "1. Sub-option 1\n";
    cout << "2. Sub-option 2\n";
    cout << "3. Back to Main Menu\n";
    cin >> choice;

    return 0;
}

[fleet cedar]

Why do you have a compiler::compiler module

[dawn ledge]

functions:

[valid jetty]

compiler::compiler used to contain the entire compiler

well except enums and structures

but all the codegen happened in 1 file

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty what do you think abt this

[valid jetty]

the neferious function

[leaden crater]

its not that bad

[fleet cedar]

"Enums" module is so funny

[valid jetty]

its a convention for me lmao

the lexer and parser parts both have an enums.rs

[leaden crater]

plus no one will check source code

[cinder egret]

the type of stuff they teach you to do during week 1 of learning programming in a class and then tell you to not do it in week 2

[crisp kestrel]

so mean wth!!

oh ya r u feeling better ellie

hello rosi

[dawn ledge]

absolute trash

why would you teach me something i shouldnt do

one day we were being taught some html and we were told we can put <head> in body, i argued you shouldnt and he went "but you can!", what a bitch

[leaden crater]

Feature    goto                Normal Functions
Raw Speed                ✓        ✗
Absolute Control        ✓        ✗
No Stack Overhead        ✓        ✗
Instant Jump Power        ✓        ✗
Chad Energy                ✓       ✗
"Structured" Prison        ✗        ✓
Parameter-Passing Hassle    ✗        ✓
Boring Readability        ✗        ✓

[valid jetty]

look at all the imports that arent needed anymore !!!!!!!

[leaden crater]

tables be damned

[leaden crater]

not rlly

[dawn ledge]

using goto extensively is just bad

[leaden crater]

nah

im gonna make a cli game with goto

[fleet cedar]

There's a reason why no language designed this millennium has goto

[crisp kestrel]

what r ur symptomps

dont die on me..

[fleet cedar]

(That reason being, it sucks)

[valid jetty]

i mean modern languages have labelled blocks which is essentially a goto

labelled loops and stuff

which is the main usecase for goto anyway

[leaden crater]

death

[fleet cedar]

Rust's control flow for example consists of match, loop, and labeled break

Plus various syntax sugars (if, while, return, etc)

[leaden crater]

yea but for my eyes goto is more readable

[valid jetty]

rust loops being expressions is fun

[leaden crater]

who is gonna read my source code anyways

[dawn ledge]

xai

sam altman

[valid jetty]

i mean i said that before too but a lot of people have read my source code by now lol

for various things i made

[leaden crater]

i wont post it , no more github, ill code inside an airtight machine

that being said i should start working again on my vamp survivors knockoff

been procrastinating since mid march

[crisp kestrel]

WTF

no

no dying

[dawn ledge]

code inside an airtight machine and it'll die of no airflow

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty do you wanna see my vamp survivors knockoff later this year when it's better built

[leaden crater]

how they code in space

[dawn ledge]

they dont :^)

[valid jetty]

ya sure

[leaden crater]

wow what a nice file

[valid jetty]

OMG MY HAIR KEEPS GOING IN MY MOUTH I HATE THE WIND

[fleet cedar]

Consume it

Consume the wind

[valid jetty]

kyuuhachi

[dawn ledge]

no im just memeing

[leaden crater]

walk at a speed constant with wind so it doesnt affect you

[valid jetty]

is a file rename considered a fix or a chore

in semantic commit naming

[dawn ledge]

chore

[crisp kestrel]

and trip on a rock

[fleet cedar]

How should I know

It's a refactoring

[valid jetty]

do you not do commits

[leaden crater]

ha and that's where the treasure is

[fleet cedar]

I do commits, yes

[valid jetty]

idk you seem like the kind of person to do semantic commits lol

[crisp kestrel]

ellie go study

stop coding

stupid

[leaden crater]

Iama

[valid jetty]

ty

[crisp kestrel]

i am SURE you wrote blade

[lavish frigate]

is there genuinely a single reason to use goto at all

[crisp kestrel]

cuz ure stupid

[fleet cedar]

No

[crisp kestrel]

goto: chloe and hug

[fleet cedar]

Unless you're in a language that sucks

[lavish frigate]

:3

[crisp kestrel]

hope ure well sis

[leaden crater]

i just looked at youtube tutorial

[lavish frigate]

[valid jetty]

in a language without labelled loops, goto can make the code slightly easier to read

[lavish frigate]

i am!! hru!!

[valid jetty]

otherwise no

[crisp kestrel]

im oki, pirating cp2077 again

[lavish frigate]

smh...

[valid jetty]

what does pirating entail

[leaden crater]

bad

[valid jetty]

download the game, get a refund, keep the game data?

[lavish frigate]

i stopped pirating once i started earning money

[leaden crater]

puhbu goes to odob. and never comes back

[lavish frigate]

steam is just so much better than piracy ☹️

[dawn ledge]

why does this seem like cap

[crisp kestrel]

using steamtools

[valid jetty]

lol yeah

[crisp kestrel]

to trick steam into thinking i own the game

when i don't own it

;3

[valid jetty]

oh husk

[crisp kestrel]

ya iw anna switch to greenluma

xd

[leaden crater]

nuh uh

[valid jetty]

you can do this btw

[ionic lake]

if its weak drm like steam, there's tools like steamless to remove them out

[valid jetty]

i accidentally found this

[leaden crater]

puhbu go study to earn money and unpirate

[lavish frigate]

why is cyberpunk saying "from your steam library" when i literally bought it

[dawn ledge]

https://github.com/conventional-commits/conventionalcommits.org/issues/22 actually neither a chore or fix

[crisp kestrel]

lets form a steam family

[lavish frigate]

cant

[valid jetty]

on my macbook i can buy a game, refund it, go to steam data, take the .app file and move it elsewhere and the game just launches as normal

[lavish frigate]

im already in one with irl family

[valid jetty]

i then get a refund and the game still works to this day

[crisp kestrel]

guess the pirated games

[dawn ledge]

either has to be an insanely simple program or a lie

[valid jetty]

(i did this accidentally)

[ionic lake]

what game is it

[crisp kestrel]

is oki i was jokingg

[ionic lake]

might just be a mac thing

[valid jetty]

it was a stardew valley x pokemon game i forgot the name

i bought it, it performed badly, got a refund

[lavish frigate]

my family (and an irl friend) spends a lot of money on games

idk

[ionic lake]

stardew valley has no drm

[valid jetty]

and then it turned out i still had the .app

[ionic lake]

palworld?

[valid jetty]

i know it wasnt stardew

nope

[crisp kestrel]

thats pokemon slavery

[crisp kestrel]

WTF share some

[valid jetty]

moonstone island

[ionic lake]

i like that

[crisp kestrel]

well if 5dolalrs ir 5000 steam points

[valid jetty]

it runs badly on my macbook so i refunded it

[crisp kestrel]

128k would be 128$? i think

[valid jetty]

and then i still had the game files after it was funny

[crisp kestrel]

bro im stupid

[lavish frigate]

1278 dollars and 58 cents

[ionic lake]

yeah its a gog game

[crisp kestrel]

WHAR

[lavish frigate]

1 cent = 1 point iirc

[valid jetty]

what is gog

[leaden crater]

yea because brexit steam doesnt care about games in uk

[ionic lake]

https://gog.com

[lavish frigate]

a game platform where you download the exes from the site so they cant have drm

[lavish frigate]

yep..

[valid jetty]

hm

[crisp kestrel]

im boutta be banned from youtube again </3

[ionic lake]

digital storefront by cdpr for keeping archives of old games and drm free ones

[valid jetty]

isnt that really easy to get a virus from

[dawn ledge]

drm sucks

[lavish frigate]

no

[dawn ledge]

cant even pirate

[ionic lake]

no

[lavish frigate]

you still have to pay for the games

its an official marketplace not a piracy site

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty play inzoi and recode it

[crisp kestrel]

inzoi is so peak

[ionic lake]

they basically just give you the full installer and you can copy it anywhere you want

[crisp kestrel]

i need to update it from steam soon

[ionic lake]

inzoi is peak i agree

[lavish frigate]

inzoi is good but still very early access

[leaden crater]

I BROKE THE CAR

[lavish frigate]

(my character is still so cute tho)

[crisp kestrel]

ellie do u love

[lavish frigate]

😭

[leaden crater]

give me 1 trillion dollard

[ionic lake]

my migration file is called married molten man

[valid jetty]

@nimble bone

[lavish frigate]

at least 13 hours in character editor/build menu its insane this game is a prison

[crisp kestrel]

acutie spotted

[crisp kestrel]

go study

and stop hater

[leaden crater]

i'll take the pib and pour it all in my account

[lavish frigate]

sea orm makes a whole new rust project just for migrations its so stupid </3

[ionic lake]

is sea orm like prisma or drizzle

[lavish frigate]

well

its an orm

[dawn ledge]

this is so husk

[dawn ledge]

orms are overrated
write queries manually (i unironically do this)

[leaden crater]

@crisp kestrel Direct message

[lavish frigate]

i hate working with sql

genuinely

[valid jetty]

why is rust so verbose??????????????????

[ionic lake]

yeah i know that, i kind of want it just because it keeps me sane

[valid jetty]

why so much pub

like omg

[ionic lake]

you can just use sqlx and it checks at compile time

[dawn ledge]

r in rust stands for verbose

[lavish frigate]

its kinda a pain when you are doing fullstack rust tho

#[cfg(feature = "server")]

[dawn ledge]

rust is nice until its not

[fleet cedar]

Why are those different structs

[lavish frigate]

Model and Serializable?

[fleet cedar]

They seem to be exactly the same

[lavish frigate]

its to keep sea_orm out of the client

[dawn ledge]

you can derive based on cfg

[fleet cedar]

cfg_attr?

[dawn ledge]

yeah

[lavish frigate]

oh?

time to look into that

[dawn ledge]

its just cfg but you can use attrs with it

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/conditional-compilation.html#the-cfg_attr-attribute

#[derive(Clone, Debug, PartialEq, Eq)]
#[cfg_attr(feature = "server", derive(DeriveEntityModel))]
#[cfg_attr(feature = "server", sea_orm(table_name = "theme"))]

[lavish frigate]

works fine! tysm!

funnily enough my cpu instantly went from 40°C to 60°C after i made that change (rust analyzer moment)

[dawn ledge]

soon you'll need a chiller

[lavish frigate]

i try to keep my cpu below 60°C at all times

thats why my fan curves are kinda fucked up

[leaden crater]

why not change the curve

[lavish frigate]

cuz it works fine!

they just look fucked up

not like i care about that too much anyway i keep a plushie on top of my pc where the aio exhaust is (i love suffocating my cpu)

[dawn ledge]

you cant be doing this while running rust

[leaden crater]

nothing bad happens

[dawn ledge]

explodes

[leaden crater]

not yet

[spark tiger]

rewrite in rust

[leaden crater]

cobol is still used because companies insist on it

[dawn ledge]

the more legacy and arcane the codebase the more you get paid

🚀

[lavish frigate]

its not trying to rewrite they plan on using ibm ai to convert from cobol to java 😭 its insane

[dawn ledge]

waiting for bank software to give everyone a trillion dollars cause cobol to java vibe coded migration messed up

[dawn ledge]

can they mistakenly give me a couple trillion dollars, not tax it and not retrieve it

[dawn ledge]

i misread that bank name

[leaden crater]

negative

[dawn ledge]

well then make it positive

[crisp kestrel]

sure drop your cashapp

[dawn ledge]

i dont have cashapp

:(

[crisp kestrel]

I'll pigeon carrier

[dawn ledge]

sure

[leaden crater]

$puhburealreal

[crisp kestrel]

it'll come in a bottle and the pigeon will be called Moshi‐ so please be kind to Moshi

[leaden crater]

moshi moshi?

[dawn ledge]

i prefer transactions in the form of rare metals and art pieces and sent directly to my trust fund

[supple whale]

watch them migrate away from spring boot

and thats where all the perf came from

[crisp kestrel]

oki

[supple whale]

dogass framework

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1207393766458007562.webp?size=48&name=kekwolf

[spark tiger]

wtf

[valid jetty]

WHY DOES IT DO THIS AND THEN THROW 10000 ERRORS

LET ME UPDATE RUST

[dawn ledge]

avg rust experience

[valid jetty]

error: Custom { kind: Other, error: "proc-macro server's api version (5) is newer than rust-analyzer's (4)"

SO LET ME UPDATE IT

[leaden crater]

too much cargo

[valid jetty]

did i explode everything

how do i clean rustup

????

[dawn ledge]

rm -r ~/.cargo
rustup self uninstall

[leaden crater]

mega explosion

[valid jetty]

are you serious or joking i will actually do this

[dawn ledge]

it will uninstall everything, rustc, rustup, cargo, binaries installed via cargo

[valid jetty]

i just did

$ rustup toolchain uninstall nightly-aarch64-apple-darwin
$ rustup toolchain install
``` seems to have fixed it

[dawn ledge]

yippeee

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[leaden crater]

maybe next time code on arch!

[dawn ledge]

nah arch is worse

[nimble bone]

explode

you scrobble all day

[supple whale]

do we have any css GODS here?

i'm looking to implement these in CSS

mainly glitch, and build on

are the 2 i'm struggling with

rest is for the most part easy

[hoary sluice]

time to rewrite it in elle

[valid jetty]

???

[hoary sluice]

elle is such a bad name you couldve called it 'Big And Long Lethargic Script (BALLS)'

[leaden crater]

elle is good name it's almost me

[hoary sluice]

rosie is turning into the creator of odin

not using an lsp anymore

[valid jetty]

idk why it all exploded as soon as i try to make a proc macro

[hoary sluice]

rewrite elle in just a proc macro

wouldnt that actually be smart tho cause u can basically just use rust as IR

[valid jetty]

lmao true

ok well it works

use proc_macro::TokenStream;
use quote::quote;
use syn::{parse_macro_input, Data, DeriveInput, Fields};

#[proc_macro_derive(Codegen)]
pub fn codegen_enum(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
    let input = parse_macro_input!(input as DeriveInput);
    let name = input.ident;

    let Data::Enum(data_enum) = input.data else {
        panic!("cannot use the Codegen derive macro on non-enum inputs");
    };

    let variants = data_enum.variants.iter().filter_map(|variant| {
        if let Fields::Unnamed(_) = variant.fields {
            let ident = &variant.ident;
            Some(quote! { Self::#ident(this) => this.compile(gen, ctx) })
        } else {
            None
        }
    });

    let expanded = quote! {
        impl #name {
            pub fn compile(self, gen: &mut Compiler, ctx: &CodegenContext) -> Option<(Type, Value)> {
                match self {
                    #(#variants,)*
                    _ => panic!("statement: {:?}", self),
                }
            }
        }
    };

    TokenStream::from(expanded)
}

now i can just derive(Codegen) on my AstNode enum and i can shrimply

pub fn generate_statement(
    &mut self,
    func: &RefCell<Function>,
    module: &RefCell<Module>,
    stmt: AstNode,
    ty: Option<Type>,
    value: Option<Value>,
    is_return: bool,
) -> Option<(Type, Value)> {
    // TODO: Unclone these when the whole codegen is moved to the Codegen trait
    let ctx = CodegenContext {
        func,
        module,
        stmt: stmt.clone(),
        ty: ty.clone(),
        value: value.clone(),
        is_return,
    };

    stmt.compile(self, &ctx)
}

compiler.rs is under 2k lines now !!!!!!!!

but i can do better

[leaden crater]

1 line

[valid jetty]

pretty productive march i guess

[leaden crater]

sparxmath?

[deep mulch]

how do you stay motivated

[valid jetty]

yeah thats something else

[deep mulch]

with 1 minute of sleep

[valid jetty]

compilers are really fun

[deep mulch]

I can't even stay motivated to write a lexer

[valid jetty]

the lexer is the most boring part

[deep mulch]

and anything else

[valid jetty]

get through the boilerplate and make a basic language that can compile very basic things (like something that can compile hello world) and then build on it

thats what i did

its not like these all came at once

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty rosinga

[deep mulch]

why are they all in one folder

[leaden crater]

not when it crashes

i had an idea to make a language a few months ago but gave up on it

[deep mulch]

@leaden crater are you real

[leaden crater]

People were saying it's too "bad"

[leaden crater]

I'm ln(-1)/pi

[valid jetty]

these are all the different nodes

[deep mulch]

oh

[valid jetty]

better many files in 1 folder than many functions in 1 file

[leaden crater]

the entire app in 1 file

[deep mulch]

do

5000 line file @valid jetty

[leaden crater]

50000 line file

what is empty brain role

[deep mulch]

idk

[leaden crater]

can i tag it or will i explode

[valid jetty]

holy shit @dawn ledge this abstraction means i dont even need the match at all because i can get rid of generate_statment and just do AstNode.compile(Compiler, CodegenContext)

this is gonna take a while but should be cool

let (left_ty, left_val) = self
    .generate_statement(func, module, *left, ty.clone(), None, is_return)

turns into

let (left_ty, left_val) = (*left)
    .compile(
        self,
        &CodegenContext {
            func,
            module,
            ty: ty.clone(),
            value: None,
            is_return,
        },
    )

thats so nice

[hoary sluice]

rosie is turning her codebase into an enterprise java application

gn kittens

[leaden crater]

le cat

[valid jetty]

im not this is just clearer

[hoary sluice]

rosie has motivation days

[valid jetty]

KLMAO

not really, the difference is that ive learnt to make smaller commits instead of 1 huge commit

[leaden crater]

me when i do nothing

[dawn ledge]

cooool

[leaden crater]

idk if i should publish my project on github

[hoary sluice]

u should

put everything an github as long as it wont directly reduce the profit you make from the project

[leaden crater]

zero minus zero is zero

[valid jetty]

let (ty, val) = (*self.value)
            .compile(
                gen,
                &CodegenContext {
                    value: None,
                    is_return: false,
                    ..ctx.clone()
                },
            )
            .expect(&self.location.error(
                "Unexpected error when trying to compile the value of an address statement",
            ));

i can do this as a substitute for

let (ty, val) = (*self.value)
            .compile(
                gen,
                &CodegenContext {
                    value: None,
                    is_return: false,
                    func: ctx.func.clone(),
                    module: ctx.module.clone(),
                    ty: ctx.ty.clone()
                },
            )
            .expect(&self.location.error(
                "Unexpected error when trying to compile the value of an address statement",
            ));
``` right

just wanna confirm before i go do this everywhere and break stuff

[fleet cedar]

Yes, but that will clone the value as well, possibly unnecessarily

[valid jetty]

hm

whats the correct way to do this then without huge amounts of verbosity

[fleet cedar]

Wait, two is_return?

If you do specifically the value: None, is_return: false thing often, consider a method

[valid jetty]

oop ignore that

[valid jetty]

nope i do varying things

[dawn ledge]

give up on clone, embrace writing lifetimes everywhere

[royal nymph]

scrobbles are such a flawed metric

cause people who only listen to 1:30 tiktok songs will have much more than people like me who listen to music that averages like 7-10 minutes length

[valid jetty]

doesnt last.fm count a scrobble as at least 2 minutes of the song or 50% or more if the song is shorter than 2 mins???

im pretty sure they dont count a scrobble as listening to the entire song

[valid jetty]

i will do that at some point

[leaden crater]

i think it counts from 5s up? fm bot always showed me even after 5s

[valid jetty]

itll show as currently scrobbling but it wont count as a scrobble idt

[leaden crater]

idk

[royal nymph]

so what? i always listen to the whole song

[leaden crater]

idk abt other apps but on spotify its at the end of the song

i just checked

[eternal wigeon]

can someone tell me why regex isn't just functions instead of cursed cryptic characters?

[timber root]

it is, but they are so cursed they look like it

[eternal wigeon]

[fleet cedar]

Writing a function to validate all that would be utterly painful though

And probably slower than regex in most cases

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge improved

use crate::{
    compiler::{
        compiler::{Codegen, CodegenContext, Compiler},
        enums::{Instruction, Type, Value},
    },
    parser::enums::Return,
};

impl Codegen<'_> for Return {
    fn compile(self, gen: &mut Compiler, ctx: &CodegenContext<'_>) -> Option<(Type, Value)> {
        let res = self.value.compile(gen, ctx);

        if !ctx.func.borrow_mut().manual {
            ctx.func.borrow_mut().add_instruction(Instruction::Return(
                res.map(|(ty, val)| (ty, val, self.location)),
            ))
        }

        None
    }
}

[spark tiger]

wtf i just launched jetbrains rider

[deep mulch]

you love indexing

[royal nymph]

honestly this is good

[valid jetty]

i love commits like this

[royal nymph]

Max out cpu to load as fast as possible

[valid jetty]

plain and simple 330 lines gone

from brainless simplifications

[spark tiger]

yeah ig
it's just the kitty starts running too damn fast

[winged mantle]

would you not play overwatch while waiting

i find games laggy when code compiling

[dawn ledge]

wouldnt this be like a feat or something :doithink:

[deep mulch]

meanwhile mine

[jade stone]

am i crazy or is char * the same as char[]

[dawn ledge]

yes and no

well they are

[formal belfry]

char[] = fixed-length array
char* = could be dynamic size, unknown length, points at the first character

[jade stone]

whats the fixed length of this

[dawn ledge]

we'll find out through science

[jade stone]

does science involve segfaults

[dawn ledge]

yeah

[formal belfry]

Implicit length, it's still stored in the stack iirc

yeah it's kinda stupid

if that even compiles btw

[jade stone]

its defined in sys/inotify.h

[formal belfry]

[jade stone]

im trying to make my own file watching api because i need one

[leaden crater]

char c[65537]

[jade stone]

lobotomizing whatever c++ dev thought overloading the / operator was a good idea for path concatenation

[formal belfry]

lobotomized

[dawn ledge]

@wheat kernel loves this feature in python

[jade stone]

i was reading some python code a few hours ago and i could have sword i saw the mod operator used as a format string operator

this shit

who came up with that

[dawn ledge]

thats normal for like pre python 3
now they use f strings

[jade stone]

what hapened to fprintf or smth like that

[jade stone]

i was reading python3 😭

[wheat kernel]

it's so smart lol

[wheat kernel]

yeah this is one old way of string formatting

there's like 4 ways

[dawn ledge]

.format my beloved

whats the 4th

[wheat kernel]

u can do this, u can .format(1, 2, 3), .format(key=x), or f-strings

ig 2 and 3 are like the same thing

[dawn ledge]

says 4
proceeds to list format twice

[wheat kernel]

well one is like

[dawn ledge]

smh

[jade stone]

isnt it positional vs named?

[wheat kernel]

yeah

[jade stone]

prob handy for user input

they can put what they want in the string

[wheat kernel]

u can have named formats like "limit: {limit}" or "limit: {0}"

[jade stone]

the typescript slowly is going down

[dawn ledge]

nix censorship

[dawn ledge]

"SELECT {query} FROM users;".format(query=query) 🙏

[jade stone]

i made that plugin while it was still automodded

it also does the this content ...

[jade stone]

😭

[wheat kernel]

no 😭

[austere idol]

f"SELECT reply FROM replies WHERE message=='{query}'"

[spark tiger]

https://x.com/ffmpeg/status/1906964753890545877 🙏

FFmpeg (@FFmpeg) on X

FFmpeg is pleased to announce we are joining the @DOGE team!

We will be rewriting America's Social Security system in assembly language, for the highest performance possible.

X · Apr 1, 2025, 7:00 AM

[valid jetty]

do i add template literals to elle

currently you do string::format("foo {} !", 1) or "foo {} !".format(1)

[formal belfry]

aw hell nah

man all these electron apps

[blazing haven]

i love electron

[valid jetty]

sub 1k loc !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so good

soon™️

[valid jetty]

ok compiler is fully refactored technically

ill eventually move away from Option<T> into Result<T, E> for the node codegen

this all came from 2 files lmao

now i have to basically repeat that for the parser

although the parser shouldnt take as long

[valid jetty]

what’s the feature

it’s a refactor, no implementation has changed

[spark ridge]

will elle be self-hosted in the future?
@valid jetty

[valid jetty]

yeah that is a plan for the future

once i add tagged enums and else-if statements its probably very doable

but i would rather have a safe compiler in rust first that i can be confident about before i go try and do it in elle

its easy to shoot your foot off

if i have a backup compiler to fall back on i can yeah

[spark ridge]

thats nice
do you have any specific plans in mind?
your language dev is very interesting

[nimble quail]

in python, would using dictionaries with data in the value slot be more efficient than making objects with a bunch of properties?
i've been told that objects are "horribly inefficient" by multiple ppl

i'm expecting 1mil-5mil objects during normal runtime, and the expected data types are sets of coordinates and multiple strings.
multiple pieces of information would be stored per key

would it be more efficient to store data per key as big strings and then parse them when the data is being used?
too complex/need more information to make this decision?

[nimble quail]

would some other format be better?

[fleet cedar]

Python is inherently "horribly inefficient"

[nimble quail]

i've considered NP arrays but i'm working with strings and i dont remember them supporting strings(?)

[fleet cedar]

Using dicts vs objects makes no difference

[nimble quail]

does it matter at large scale

[fleet cedar]

No

[lavish frigate]

1mil-5mil objects?? what are you doing

[fleet cedar]

Because you don't use python for performance critical things

[nimble quail]

simulating a galaxy (without physics)
i'm going for the largest scale possible for an average machine

[spark ridge]

i think too
are you creating online game?

[nimble quail]

not online, singleplayer

the problem is that i expect the objects to become. like. 10x more complex. and take up a lot more space per object

[lavish frigate]

1. are you sure python is the right tool for this?
2. have you considered just not storing 1-5mil objects in memory?

[nimble quail]

i did consider a chunking system a la minecraft

[spark ridge]

oh..
When you said coordinates, do you mean the coordinates of the stars?

[nimble quail]

yeah

[lavish frigate]

That would be a LOT better

[nimble quail]

i intend to make star density higher toward center and sparser toward outer fringes

i'm working with pygame as an "engine" (💀)

[spark ridge]

it comes down to this.

if you're dealing with big data, you shouldn't use an interpreter.

@nimble quail

[nimble quail]

well fuck

too bad

im not learning assembly

god said let there be 5mil+ objects

[shrewd canopy]

dw Python is getting JIT since 3.13

[leaden crater]

you have to simulate from the fabric of reality itself

[shrewd canopy]

there's also numpy/pandas if you deal with ton of data in python

[leaden crater]

but python is not really good for something like this imo

[nimble quail]

i never expect to reach beyond 5mil stars, especially with generating planets, stations and their behaviors

which is sad because the milky way has immensely more stars

[spark ridge]

really?

what happened to memory usage and cpu utilization?

[nimble quail]

i can still simulate the average distance between individual stars and the challenges that come with that

i dont need many stars at all to do that

.
the intended effect is for the player to look at the map, understand that every star is a potential system which may rarely have life of its own, and then come to the realization that they as an entity Do Not Matter at this scale

it is, in spirit and hopefully by design, a psychological horror game

so. the more scale i can feasibly squeeze out of this, the better

[lavish frigate]

we are in 3.13.2 and its still slow </3

[nimble quail]

starsector is a TINY game

need more universe

[shrewd canopy]

dont forget its an experimental feature

[nimble quail]

hence the question of "how do i squeeze in more things"

[spark ridge]

why can't you create a system like the seed value in minecraft that generates stars where the player visits?
@nimble quail

[nimble quail]

generate upon visit?

perchance

[spark ridge]

yes

[lavish frigate]

its still always gonna be worse than a compiled language of course

i feel like this is the perfect project to learn said compiled language!

[nimble quail]

the problem is that the gameplay expects there to be stations and stuff in places the player has not visited, and station behavior depends on the stuff around them

a minecraft village has no real behavior besides dying to mobs
a Starsector colony has like. an economy

i don't expect to simulate a galactic economy, just the basics; availability of some goods would depend on proximity to other stations and some types of bodies/planets

.
it's worth mentioning this is in 2D (3D is to many for brian)

i could get lazy and go "ooh all the civilization is dead (and conveniently requires no simulation)" which might be interesting but

there's also the value of "this is a currently living system that is many times larger than myself"

[nimble quail]

the logical progression for development might be adding ruins and mineable shit first (which shouldnt need any sim at all) and then toy with stations and shit

[lavish frigate]

you should use an actual game engine instead of pygame

this is very much out of scope for pygame

[nimble quail]

considered godot but im seeing a similar problem

[lavish frigate]

similar problem?

[nimble quail]

more information to handle

[lavish frigate]

the big difference is that

[valid jetty]

i wanna add macros for conditional compilation and stuff at some point

[lavish frigate]

gdscript is compiled

python isnt

[eternal wigeon]

peak

[valid jetty]

and i want to write a wasm backend

[nimble quail]

what's the practical difference? /genq

[lavish frigate]

gdscript is a LOT more performant than python

and of course actually made for games so youll have an easier time doing.. anything

its also based on python, so if you already do know python youll have an easy time switching

[nimble quail]

what's the diff between compiled and uncompiled language?

[lavish frigate]

okay so basically

[nimble quail]

i guess this is what google is for

[lavish frigate]

you have python which is interpreted. You have your python code and you tell the python interpreter to run it. It will go over the code, translate your code into machine code that your pc can actually run, then runs that

and then you have gdscript which is compiled. You have your gdscript code and you tell the compiler to compile it. This turns your code into machine code. You then run that machine code

you skip that whole compilation step at runtime

[leaden crater]

godot can do so much its insane

[lavish frigate]

(or well in gdscripts case its compiled into byte code, which is then run in a vm)

[spark ridge]

thats great
i cheer you
i wish you good luck

[nimble quail]

is it worth dumping the shitty working thing and porting/starting over in godot

or do i fuck it and ball

[valid jetty]

start over in brainfuck

[hazy pine]

yes

probably

[leaden crater]

better start over now than later

[nimble quail]

big thing i do nof like about godot is that the documentation has been almost more harm than good

[lavish frigate]

the benefits of this are:

1. you skip the compilation step at runtime which makes your program (or in this case your game) run faster
2. the compiler throws compilation errors which can show you problems with your code before you even run said code

the drawbacks are:

1. compilation times, you have to wait for your program to compile
2. compilers are usually very strict, especially with types and its a bit more complicated (i doubt this applies too much in gdscript though)

[nimble quail]

this is a good point

[spark ridge]

brainfuck is hard, so let's do jsfuck first lol

[hazy pine]

do it in malbolge

[valid jetty]

i watched the video on jsfuck that was so interesting lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRWE5tnaxlI

[keen beacon]

are we allowed to talk about local installs of vencord here?

[hazy pine]

oh i think i watched that asw

as long as you're progaming

[keen beacon]

oh

[lavish frigate]

as long as you are not asking for help with it

[keen beacon]

understandable

[nimble quail]

programming in straight python has been (or at least felt) a lot easier than learning and using what feels like (to the untrained eye) a big library

[keen beacon]

ig it would be better to ask about it in abstract then? its not really a vencord specific thing tbf

[nimble quail]

ugh. sunken cost fallacy has hit me i think

[lavish frigate]

well you have large libraries in every language

[nimble quail]

so wait.
if i build an .exe from the python, isn't that "compiled"

[lavish frigate]

Not really

[fleet cedar]

If you build an exe from the python, you basically have a funny zip file with .py files

[nimble quail]

fuck

[lavish frigate]

If you are looking at Python to exe it basically just puts your Python code and the interpreter into the exe

[fleet cedar]

Maybe .pyc, not sure

[hazy pine]

im pretty sure it just packages the code and interpreter into an exe

yeha

[lavish frigate]

It’s just not worth making an actual Python compiler

Python works in ways where it can’t be optimised that much so there is no point in going for performance

You’ll always get „just use an actual compiled language!“

[nimble quail]

yeehaw

[nimble quail]

i'm on the fence of "fuck it we ball" and "do the smarter option"

devil and angel

the stupider option feels funnier, and i do like a good comedy

[hazy pine]

do a coinflip

if it lands heads, godot

if it lands tails, godot

[nimble quail]

ough im scared to commit

[lavish frigate]

Well you see after a while it will just become so unbearable to you that you will quit

[nimble quail]

fuck it im gambling

UUUUUUUUGH.

FINE.

time to "port" (rewrite) my entire project in goodt

goodt??

new language dropped......

time to go speedrun my cs1 quiz

[lavish frigate]

:3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOhfqjmasi0

[hazy pine]

fuck yeah

[lavish frigate]

brackeys the goat

[hazy pine]

still crazy that godot was so good it got brackeys to come back from the dead

[lavish frigate]

nah 😭

unity ceo messed up so hard that brackeys had to come back

it was when they announced that licensing thing

[hazy pine]

a girl can dream

[lavish frigate]

personally havent tried godot yet

[hazy pine]

honestly i encourage everyone to use godot sm but i dont think ive actually made any finished games in it

doesnt change the fact that its peak

all the other stuff aside, godot was the first game engine that i coudl actually understand cause unity was just not getting to me

[leaden crater]

@lavish frigate you said goto is bad right

vencord has goto

[lavish frigate]

vencord is also bad

so im not sure what point you are trying to make

[hazy pine]

i forgot what goto was so i read it as "got o" and not "go to"

[lavish frigate]

c++ (the best programming langauge) has goto tho

[leaden crater]

interesting

[fleet cedar]

That is not a point in its favor

[hazy pine]

whats wrong with goto

[fleet cedar]

Completely unstructured

[winged mantle]

so TIL nobody has actually created discord bot in asm

[hazy pine]

whos gonna be the first

[lavish frigate]

nothing

[winged mantle]

I am learning x86_64 assembly

[lavish frigate]

i use it all the time in my c++ code

[winged mantle]

I think it might be hard

[lavish frigate]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/goto

[winged mantle]

but surely it's not that hard

technically you don't need multithreading?

[hazy pine]

asm seems like it would be easy but just really tedious

[winged mantle]

if all you are doing is checking for messages containing certain text that should be ez!

[leaden crater]

byte FUN_140001620(void)

{
  longlong in_RAX;
  
  return *(byte *)(in_RAX + 0x17) & 0x1f;
}

that such a function

[jade stone]

i say rust lambda syntax is bad, but c++ is arguably worse

[fleet cedar]

C++ lambda syntax deserves four millennia in jail

[jade stone]

yeah

[fleet cedar]

Rust's is a bit unorthodox, but fine

[valid jetty]

the only languages with sane syntax for lambdas is c#, js, and python

(dynamically typed languages in general)

[jade stone]

like how is this valid

auto lambda = [] {do_thing();};
auto lambda2 = [] -> void {do_thing();};
auto lambda3 = [] () {do_thing();};
auto lambda4 = []() -> void {do_thing();};

so insane

[lavish frigate]

it makes sense if you really think about it

c++ wouldnt just be incomprehensible like that

[jade stone]

yea, i love them

[leaden crater]

lambda calculus

[valid jetty]

elle has

lambda := fn() do_thing();
lambda2 := fn() -> void do_thing();
lambda3 := fn() { do_thing(); };
lambda4 := fn() -> void { do_thing(); };

[lavish frigate]

php coded

/run ```php
<?php

$test = fn() => 'asdf';
echo $test();

[rugged berry]

Here is your php(8.2.3) output @lavish frigate

asdf```

[lavish frigate]

tbf php callables fucking suck and elles probably dont

/run ```php
<?php
class Test {
public function foo() {
echo "bar";
}
}

$obj = new Test();
$obj, "foo";

[rugged berry]

Here is your php(8.2.3) output @lavish frigate

bar```

[lavish frigate]

love?

[valid jetty]

nvm i got rid of the explicit return type

lmao

i forgot about that

[shrewd canopy]

why

[lavish frigate]

calling arrays 😊

you can also call strings if you wanna

/run ```php
<?php
class Test {
public static function foo() {
echo "bar";
}
}

"Test::foo"();

[rugged berry]

Here is your php(8.2.3) output @lavish frigate

bar```

[jade stone]

that reminds me a bit of js

[lavish frigate]

doesnt that make sense?

[jade stone]

insane

[lavish frigate]

also why strings and arrays are technically part of the "Callable" interface :3