🪅-progaming

[valid jetty]

no lol

https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo

supports emojis in strings tho

[dense sand]

tragedy

[valid jetty]

@ornate quiver sanity check on the grammar

google translate spits back logical words but i dont trust it for one bit

its even funnier because i just cannot write anything in my terminal using my ime

i have to write it elsewhere and copy paste into the terminal input

[ornate quiver]

tomorrow I don't have time right now

bleh

[timid kiln]

is there a way to see each plugin's settings easily

like in JSON form

preferablly with default values if applicable

and if the setting is optional or not^

Currently the closest I've gotten is pnpm generatePluginJson but that only gives me plugins

[fleet cedar]

Just iterate each plugin

[timid kiln]

Like, each file?

[fleet cedar]

At runtime

[timid kiln]

I'm not smart enough to edit this script to add definePluginSettings

[timid kiln]

I need it before

[fleet cedar]

For what

[timid kiln]

Ok, this will sound stupid but this is how I like to do stuff.

I wrote a script to clone and build vencord from source because sometimes I like to edit some plugins. I have a vencord settings backup in JSON in a folder which is like the storage basically. I wrote a script that gets the plugins with generatePluginJson and makes sure the stored backup doesn't have any old plugins and adds the new plugins. I want to also add that for plugin settings but I don't know an easy way to do it

Also, even if I did it during runtime my issue still remains

because I do this Vencord.Settings.plugins.AlwaysTrust.hi = true and if I export the settings

it'll have "hi": true in the json backup

So the only way I can validate what settings exist is if I reset all settings and then checked

[dense sand]

does the default value get set only on mount? How can i make the text change on currentSlide change?

oh well i just added it to value={...}

seems to work enough

[fleet cedar]

Makes sense that the default value only applies when first created

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty can you write a program with n^n complexity

[valid jetty]

i have no idea how lol

[signal oak]

def f(n):
  if n <= 0: return
  for _ in range(n**n):
    pass

Message URL

#🪅-progaming message

Question

can you

[hoary sluice]

oh 😭

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice LMAO

i wrote my own utf8 lib because it simply does not exist yet

fn rune::encode(rune *self) -> string {
    let result = "";
    let code_point = self.inner;

    if code_point <= 0x7F {
        result.push((char)code_point);
    } else { if code_point <= 0x7FF {
        result.push(0xC0 | (code_point >> 6) & 0x1F);
        result.push(0x80 | (code_point & 0x3F));
    } else { if code_point <= 0xFFFF {
        result.push(0xE0 | (code_point >> 12) & 0x0F);
        result.push(0x80 | (code_point >> 6) & 0x3F);
        result.push(0x80 | (code_point & 0x3F));
    } else { if code_point <= 0x10FFFF {
        result.push(0xF0 | ((code_point >> 18) & 0x07));
        result.push(0x80 | ((code_point >> 12) & 0x3F));
        result.push(0x80 | ((code_point >> 6) & 0x3F));
        result.push(0x80 | (code_point & 0x3F));
    }}}}

    return result;
}

rust chars are also wide while theyre 1 byte in elle

[hoary sluice]

am i supposed to understand what this is

gn

[valid jetty]

i think im taking this too far

関数 足す（整数　x、整数　y）『
    返す　x＋y；
』

関数 メイン（）『
    整数　結果　＝　足す（１、２）；
    プリント（「こんにちは、世界！」）；
    プリント（結果）；
』

[valid jetty]

its a lexer

[valid jetty]

@placid cape 😭

written in elle

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/blob/mistress/main.igo#L1-L100

[pearl stag]

main.igo: Lines 1-100

関数 足す（整数　x、整数　y）『
    返す　x＋y；
』

関数 メイン（）『
    整数　結果　＝　足す（１３、２６）；
    プリント（「こんにちは、世界！」）；
    プリント（結果）；
』

[valid jetty]

lmao

syntax is slaying here actually whaaa

use std/prelude;
use lexer;

fn main(string[] args) {
    program := args.remove(0);
    $assert(args.len() == 1, "Usage: {} file.igo\n".format(program));

    lexer := Lexer::new(args[0]);
    tokens := [(string, string);];

    while current := lexer.next_token() {
        tokens.push(current);
        $println(*current);
    }
}

[placid cape]

Lol

[frosty obsidian]

(just reposting in a channel that won't get flooded)

[viscid grove]

they both look nice, but i think cards looks a little nicer

but kinda depends what it's for

[frosty obsidian]

markdown alerts

[viscid grove]

are you making a markdown renderer?

[frosty obsidian]

im styling markdown

[viscid grove]

ah

[frosty obsidian]

this is for a github client

[eternal wigeon]

hello guys

do you think this commit msg is too verbose, like should i not mention the error in the commit msg? only keep bump version

idk i never really made a public pr

[frosty obsidian]

being verbose in commit descriptions is good

[ivory heath]

webp

[royal nymph]

install RefinedGithub extension

if it's too long it yells at u

[eternal wigeon]

https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/widegithub/ lol looks a lot nicer on a big screen

[royal nymph]

brazilian spotted....

[eternal wigeon]

yes thanks

[spark tiger]

if it’s a pr i usually write down all this info in the pr body itself

and not in the commits

bc anyways it usually ends up being a one commit in the repo if they squash merge

[royal nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/osaka-brasil-brazil-picmix-gif-9224363440040269275

[eternal wigeon]

Omg that's so cute

[nimble bone]

@torn seal is this u

[valid jetty]

@royal nymph when are you making a german language

関数 足す（整数　x、整数　y）『
    返す　x＋y；
』

関数　同一（整数　x）『
    返す　x；
』

関数 メイン（）『
    整数　結果　＝　足す（１３、２６）；
    整数　あああ　＝　同一（３９）；
    プリント（「こんにちは、世界！」）；
    プリント（結果、あああ）；
』

[royal nymph]

someone already made

[valid jetty]

wtf

[royal nymph]

rewrite elle in this https://github.com/michidk/rost

[dawn ledge]

why would you do that

how would you represent upper plane characters in a byte

[dense sand]

We have this
https://github.com/Toaster192/czech.h

[torn seal]

yop

[valid jetty]

what

elle maintains C abi compatibility so strings are cstrings and chars are ascii bytes

[dawn ledge]

there's a reason why rust chars a 32bit
as you go to higher planes or blocks the byte size of the utf8 encoded character increases

[royal nymph]

just use a better language that only has 1 byte letters

[dawn ledge]

overthrow unicode

[valid jetty]

i know lmao

i'm working with unicode in my language made in elle

rust chars are also not always 32 bit they're code points

they vary in length based on the first byte

[dawn ledge]

stored as 32 tho

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/blob/mistress/src/utf8.le#L11-L21 silly

[pearl stag]

utf8.le: Lines 11-21

fn char::unicode_length(char byte) {
    if (byte & 0b10000000) == 0 {
        return 1;
    } else { if (byte & 0b11100000) == 0b11000000 {
        return 2;
    } else { if (byte & 0b11110000) == 0b11100000 {
        return 3;
    } else { if (byte & 0b11111000) == 0b11110000 {
        return 4;
    }}}}
}

[valid jetty]

yeah i guess

[fleet cedar]

UTF8 strings are c abi compatible (if they're null-terminated)

[valid jetty]

that is exactly what i'm taking advantage of

with this https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/blob/mistress/src/utf8.le

it lets me do https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/blob/mistress/src/lexer.le#L130-L132

[pearl stag]

lexer.le: Lines 130-132

if c.encode() == "「"　{
    return $("string", self.consume_string_literal());
}

[ornate quiver]

instead of semicolon a japanese period would be funny

[fleet cedar]

Comments use ※, yes?

[fallow jasper]

rewrite in https://github.com/phaux/rdza

[valid jetty]

i use that for floating points 😭

[fleet cedar]

No floats should use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numerals#Decimal_fractions

Also suggestion: 九十八 is a i32, 玖拾捌 is a i64

[valid jetty]

LMAOOO

[ornate quiver]

ElleとQBEを用いておもちゃのコンパイル型プログラミング言語
What is the purpose of 型?
I could see it being written this way:
ElleとQBEを用いているおもちゃのプログラミング言語

• これは学校のプロジェクトです。
  or just
• 学校のプロジェクトです。

すべて詳細に記録されます
Id use 全部 instead of すべて here
i dont know causative form so idk about the second half of the sentence

• 全て日本語で書いていますのは面白いからです。

• すべて日本語で書くのは面白いからです。
  nominalizing verbs with の・こと only works with plain form

some things you might want to know:

• a lotta natives shorten 〜ている to 〜てる
• according to jisho 全て is written usually in kana
  and according to my sensei apparently it's more formal/fancy than 全部 while having almost the same meaning

this is also just with a bit of research and my limited knowledge :bleh:

[calm ruin]

lc.gemini whats wrong with rusher

[visual shell]

whats wrong with rusher

分析と改善点

ご指摘ありがとうございます。 丁寧な分析と具体的な改善点のご提案、大変助かります。一つずつ確認し、より良い表現へと修正していきましょう。

1. 「ElleとQBEを用いておもちゃのコンパイル型プログラミング言語」

• 問題点:
  • 「ElleとQBEを用いるおもちゃのプログラミング言語」の方が自然な日本語です。
  • 「コンパイル型」という言葉は、文脈によっては専門的で分かりにくい可能性があります。
• 改善点:
  • ご提案の通り、「ElleとQBEを用いるおもちゃのプログラミング言語」と修正します。
  • 文脈に合わせて、「コンパイル型」の説明を加えるか、より一般的な表現に置き換えることも検討できます。

2. 「これは学校のプロジェクトです。」

• 問題点:
  • 両方の表現とも正しい日本語です。
• 改善点:
  • 文脈や強調したい点によって使い分けると良いでしょう。
  • 例えば、プロジェクトの重要性を強調したい場合は、「これは学校のプロジェクトです。」の方が適しています。

3. 「すべて詳細に記録されます」

• 問題点:
  • 「全部」も「すべて」も正しい日本語ですが、「全部」の方が口語的でカジュアルな印象です。
  • 「詳細に記録されます」の「されます」は、受動態で少し硬い印象を与えるかもしれません。
• 改善点:
  • 文脈に合わせて使い分けると良いでしょう。
  • 例えば、より丁寧な表現にしたい場合は、「すべて詳細に記録いたします。」と「いたします」を用いることもできます。

4. 「全て日本語で書いていますのは面白いからです。」

• 問題点:
  • ご指摘の通り、「すべて日本語で書くのは面白いからです。」がより自然な日本語です。
  • 「のは」は、名詞化の助詞ですが、動詞の原形にしか付きません。
• 改善点:
  • ご提案の通り、「すべて日本語で書くのは面白いからです。」と修正します。

5. その他

• 〜ているの省略:
  • 口語では「〜てる」と省略されることが多いのは事実です。しかし、書き言葉では、特に丁寧な表現を求められる場合や、相手に正確に意味を伝えたい場合は、省略せずに「〜ている」と書く方が望ましいです。
• 全ての表記:
  • 「全て」は、漢字で書く場合とひらがなで書く場合がありますが、どちらが正しいという決まりはありません。文脈や個人の好みによって使い分けることができます。

まとめ

ご指摘いただいた内容を参考に、より自然で分かりやすい日本語に修正しました。

修正後の文例:

ElleとQBEを用いるおもちゃのプログラミング言語です。これは学校のプロジェクトで、全て日本語で記述しています。日本語でプログラミングをするのはとても面白いからです。

その他

• 「型」の目的については、文脈によって様々な答えが考えられます。例えば、プログラミング言語においては、データの型を指定することで、プログラムの安全性や効率性を高めることができます。
• 「causative form」については、文脈や状況に応じて適切な表現を選ぶ必要があります。

ご不明な点や、さらに詳しい説明をご希望の場合は、お気軽にお尋ねください。

追加で何か知りたいことはありますか？ 例えば、以下の点について詳しく説明できます。

• ElleやQBEといったプログラミング言語についての情報
• コンパイル型プログラミング言語の特徴
• 日本語でプログラミングをするメリット・デメリット
• 学校のプロジェクトでどのようなことに注意すべきか

ご要望に応じて、様々な角度から情報提供させていただきます。

Gemini • Gemini may display inaccurate info, so double-check its responses.

[calm ruin]

SPEAK ENGLISH

[fleet cedar]

No don't

[ornate quiver]

lmaoo

watch the AI just destroy my corrections probably

also @valid jetty don't use Google translate, DeepL is much more reliable

[calm ruin]

use gpt

LLMs are pretty good at translation

why did you husk

all they do is generate text

[viscid grove]

i feel like google translate is more reliable, but less accurate, and deepl is slightly less reliable, but usually more accurate

[valid jetty]

great idea

[valid jetty]

i don't use google translate i only used it to see if it created legible words when translating my slop to english

[valid jetty]

anyway this is very helpful thankies

i was trying to be explicit and write compiler type programming language

answering for why 型

[ornate quiver]

ah

maybe the equivalent of "compiled programming lang" would've been better

[valid jetty]

true

[fleet cedar]

Which according to wikipedia is コンパイル型言語

[ornate quiver]

ah very close to your original lol

[valid jetty]

oh wow yea

[fleet cedar]

The language selector on wikipedia is very useful for translating specific terms/concepts

[viscid grove]

where is that/how do i do that

[viscid grove]

oh you just mean using a different language on wikipedia

i thought you meant like you input a phrase in english and then if it has that phrase, it'll translate it

[valid jetty]

i love how you recommend 全て and then say jisho says it's usually written in kana which is exactly what i did

[fleet cedar]

They recommended 全部 though, not 全て?

[valid jetty]

yeah sowee

i'm assuming you meant すべて is more formal than 全部 though which is why you recommended it? trying to understand what you meant

nvm i see

i'm actually silly

😭

[valid jetty]

ok how is this

ElleとQBEを用いておもちゃのコンパイル型プログラミング言語

学校のプロジェクトですから全部詳細に記録されます。全部日本語で書くのは面白いからです。

これは私が作った別の言語であるElleプログラミング言語を使用してます。

[dawn ledge]

localized programming languages scare me

also makes me wonder what went down in history for us to just agree that languages using english based grammar/syntax are sane

[valid jetty]

i dont know causative form so idk about the second half of the sentence
in 全部日本語で書くのは面白いからです

everything japanese written (nominalizer) funny because

the から comes right after the reason, its a basic use of causative form

so it forms "everything is written in japanese because its funny"

[valid jetty]

they are

writing in pure jp is annoying

[dawn ledge]

i should learn jp at some point

[valid jetty]

english has no diacritics which makes it very easy to form words with a small alphabet

[ornate quiver]

m interesting

[valid jetty]

i hope you know 面白い lol

its one of the first kanji i ever learnt other than　私　and 一ニ三四五六七八九十

ive decided that いちご　will not have any decimals because its too much effort to program them
but that means silly

関数 足す（整数　x、整数　y）『
    返す　x＋y。
』

関数　同一（整数　x）『
    返す　x。
』

関数 メイン（）『
    整数　結果　＝　足す（１３、２６）。
    整数　あああ　＝　同一（３９）。
    プリント（「こんにちは、世界！」）。
    プリント（結果、あああ）。
』

it lexes

[fleet cedar]

Why is it 返す　ｘ and not ｘを返す

[valid jetty]

because my aim isnt to make gramatically correct sentences

[fleet cedar]

:(

[valid jetty]

and also lexing that would be hard

they would all be 1 big identifier i think

yea

jp having no spaces inherently makes it very hard to seperate tokens

[fleet cedar]

There are libraries for that

(Heuristically)

[dawn ledge]

i love (hate) langauges that do not have separators, gotta use some random ml model by google to do line breaking for hem

[valid jetty]

thats why i count ” ” as whitespace

fn Lexer::skip_whitespace(Lexer *self) {
    while !self.is_eof() && (char::is_whitespace(self.current_char().inner)))
        || self.current_char().encode() == "　" {
        self.advance();
    }
}

[valid jetty]

i might look into writing my own

it would be really funny i think

to write gramatically correct sentences but not even in english, in japanese

my teachers are gonna take 1 look at this and give me a 0

[fleet cedar]

I did get a "looks good but please write in english" on one assignment

I only wrote the example program in japanese though, the actual implementation was in english

I did make sure to follow the designated output format - I even decompiled the check program - how can they complain?

[valid jetty]

the project is supposed to have at least 2-4k lines of code and im meant to reference where i used the concept lol i am so done for

at the very least my source code is in english https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo/blob/mistress/src/lexer.le#L69-L86

[pearl stag]

lexer.le: Lines 69-86

fn Lexer::consume_string_literal(Lexer *self) {
    self.advance();
    res := [rune *;];

    while !self.is_eof() {
        current_char := self.current_char();

        if current_char.encode() == "」" {
            self.advance();
            break;
        } else {
            res.push(current_char);
            self.advance();
        }
    }

    return res.map<string>(rune::encode).join("");
}

[valid jetty]

like you can understand it

maybe i should make a rune *[] method to turn a bunch of runes into a cstring

like just

fn Array::utf8_encode(rune *[] self) {
    return self.map<string>(rune::encode).join("");
}

[valid jetty]

how did you write in jp in what im assuming C or C++

like just the function names are romaji or?

[fleet cedar]

Just the printed strings

[valid jetty]

oh

[fleet cedar]

Pretty sure it was either haskell or java btw

[valid jetty]

lmfao

oh god i should probably make it so that you cant cant a pointer to any other pointer right

[dawn ledge]

mem::transmute

[fleet cedar]

Eh, who cares? All other languages with pointers allow that

[dawn ledge]

🥰

[valid jetty]

uhhhhhhhhh

[valid jetty]

not when you can call this method on an array of tuples of strings and the compiler just allows it

[valid jetty]

@ornate quiver lmao

small and big are so simple

then you have standard

😭

[ornate quiver]

that's hilarious
jp in a nutshell

[valid jetty]

[shy mauve]

Xiao

Da

:}

[onyx jacinth]

hey ho, im looking for a plugin that can hide that im sharing my screen in my status. I dont want others know that im sharing my screen right now.

If a plugin like this doesnt exist, does someone know if there are techincal limitations that would hinder the developement of such plugin ?

[spark tiger]

https://vxtwitter.com/remcosmitsdev/status/1881021360937521635

[valid jetty]

calc is short for calculator btw

[dense sand]

Does someone know how pmms/vmms work together with 4 level paging

[vernal pine]

Any Haskell fans here?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/804840969949806654.png?quality=lossless&name=lang_haskell&size=48

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1021021608183332904.png?quality=lossless&name=jub&size=48

[dense sand]

No

[hoary sluice]

@loud sphinx

[vernal pine]

Average Haskell programmer /j /lh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1158808481273495602.png?quality=lossless&name=Blahaj_Trans_Heart_shark&size=48

[jade stone]

HORROR OPERATOR OVERLOADING

[ornate quiver]

real

kotlin has operator overloading too but they're intuitive at least unlike that
like listOf(1,2) + 3

[jade stone]

yea, i dont mind operator overloading when it makes sense

[frosty obsidian]

interesting

[jade stone]

poll is closed but second one is better

[frosty obsidian]

it seems most people prefer the cards

[jade stone]

most people are wrong

[frosty obsidian]

regardless, thats the design ill go forward with

[ornate quiver]

ushie will go crazy

[viscid grove]

you're wrong

[jade stone]

[jade stone]

scary

[hoary sluice]

at least its not majority js

https://tenor.com/view/dance-funny-gif-11937505591520169711

@valid jetty @deep mulch good morning !!!!!!! 😄 😄

[alpine lily]

make it all JS

[deep mulch]

nini

[lusty rock]

[dense sand]

i love supabase

[dense sand]

Any tips on how I could sanitize css

Like pure .css file

[royal nymph]

why do you need to sanitise css

a strict csp should do the trick

[dense sand]

Im letting the user to specify their own css

In my app i mean

[royal nymph]

1. don't
2. you need a strict csp that blocks external resources

[dawn ledge]

do you need any sanitization or security if the user uses the css locally :^)

[royal nymph]

unless the user is user some super ancient browser like Internet Explorer, there shouldn't be a way for css to execute js afaik

if they do use Internet Explorer than that is possible

[dense sand]

Eee there's share button

[royal nymph]

the biggest risk from css is ip logging, tracking and keylogging

all of which can be done by fetching external links

if you block all external links with csp this is not a risk

[dawn ledge]

tf were IE devs were on when implementing that

[dawn ledge]

arc boost incident in the making

[royal nymph]

browsers were very old and css was very limited and things like math function in css didn't exist

so they went oh yeah this is gonna be a banger idea

body {
    width: expression(document.body.clientWidth > 1100) ? "1100px" : "auto";
}

[royal nymph]

this emulates max width for example which wasn't a thing back then

back then stuff like that didn't exist so you had to do so much stuff with js

[dense sand]

I can just regex cut it out, no?

[royal nymph]

unless you support Internet Explorer (why) this won't be a problem

[dense sand]

Lol

So remote resource fetching is biggest problem huh

[royal nymph]

just use csp to only allow fetching from domains you use

you should do that either way

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice apparently the reason dp is called dp is because the guy who invented it though it would be funny

and because he wanted to make it look to his boss like he was doing something advanced

[royal nymph]

but unless it's a small hobby site supporting custom css is bad anyway cause people can always do stuff like make the ui unusable

like * { display: none }

[hoary sluice]

dp is called dp because the guy who invented it wanted a short way to name his recursive functions

[valid jetty]

the foo in question:

[hoary sluice]

u cant use foo in a whitepaper algo impl

[dense sand]

Also is there any way to sort of "sandbox" it? So the user can't do * selector to mark the whole page

[royal nymph]

not really

[valid jetty]

you absolutely can and i will

[royal nymph]

it's impossible to make it so they can't break the page

[dense sand]

Lol

[valid jetty]

@ornate quiver they said they’re gonna give me a 0 if i write the docs for いちご in jp

😭

[royal nymph]

.random-element {
   width: 10000px;
}

[valid jetty]

they’re just haters i’ll do it anyway

[hoary sluice]

no you cant its physically impossible

[royal nymph]

already broke the age

[ornate quiver]

nooooooo lol

[royal nymph]

the best you could do is not allow css and instead allow very very specific things like letting users change the colours (even then they can still break the site by making everything one colour lol)

[valid jetty]

my teachers must hate me sm bc of all the jp i’m bringing into their clean cozy christian environment

[dense sand]

Well so uhhh, the point of the app is to be able to make "presentations" using html/css lol. Well now I'm thinking about it. Perhaps letting the user only use tailwind styles would be good enough

[dense sand]

https://youtu.be/uSzffuqfJQk

[dawn ledge]

jared

bro looks so lifeless

[valid jetty]

they all do

reading from a teleprompter idk

[dawn ledge]

who even watches these tbh

idk why stuff like nextjs does it

dude

just drop me a blog post

with bullet points

[winged mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d35SlRgVxT8

🔥

[dense sand]

Node

Denode

[serene elk]

the osu one is kinda good

different purpose but yeah

[royal nymph]

that first guy wtf

why is he a robot

[native spruce]

@woven mesa

cant finish

[woven mesa]

ping pong

[woven mesa]

is xcode debugger connected

[native spruce]

is that an issue

[woven mesa]

very much

[native spruce]

why lol

[woven mesa]

problems with permissions bc xcode needs to have the perms rather than the app you're building

and doesnt always work

idk i havent looked into it

[native spruce]

finally

[woven mesa]

:3

do you love

i think default keybind is cmd alt v

[native spruce]

first launch takes ages btw

[woven mesa]

huh

will profile

@native spruce ClipperApp.swift line 88 ish

remove dispatchqueue.main.asyncafter

[native spruce]

you can probably make a new window scene for setup

[woven mesa]

swiftui is annoying and also idk how that stuff works

i just used appkit it makes sense to me

[native spruce]

I can help with that

[woven mesa]

its ok if it works dont fix it

true story

also this is easier for the logic of showing perms setup window before onboarding view

[native spruce]

whats skylight.framework

[woven mesa]

handles something to do with uhh

media i think?

i cant find anything on google

[native spruce]

this is very bad

[woven mesa]

apparently its not on ios

macos only

what runs at initialization

[native spruce]

it only happens when I summon the panel for the first time

[woven mesa]

is this per launch

oh yeah that makes sense actually

[native spruce]

every launch but first time u open the sheet during that launch

[woven mesa]

any images visible are resized and then sent back to the view for display

[native spruce]

it shouldnt be that intensive though

[woven mesa]

and then are kept in memory so never need resizing

[native spruce]

last commit was fine

[woven mesa]

hm

ill look at commits

[native spruce]

also this thing keeps being called over and over

wrong picture

[woven mesa]

thats looks like part of swift runtime

[native spruce]

ignore it then I guess

the profiler doesnt give me much informatino on whats going on

and it crashed

[woven mesa]

the main change that happened with the intensive work is i detached their tasks to stop running on mainactor

try doing a global replace for Task.detached to Task

then profile again

but then its all on mainthread

[native spruce]

I found the issue

[woven mesa]

whats the issue

is it the while true {}

[native spruce]

open this in xcode and copy the entirety of its contents

this probably happened last commit actually

but im not sure

@woven mesa if possible we shouldn't try to display the entirety of code or text

this file is 31kb in size

[woven mesa]

fixed

will push in next commit

@native spruce btw i just trimmed the attributedstring down to 1024 chars

here code if you want to test early

[native spruce]

I think we should only display what the person would actually see

we cant like scroll in the card

[woven mesa]

its difficult to tell due to different ways the text could be formatted

[native spruce]

yeah :(

[woven mesa]

and idk if using coretext is a good idea

sounds like pain

[native spruce]

whats coretext

[woven mesa]

the thing that handles all of text rendering in all of apple's operating systems

[native spruce]

I see

[woven mesa]

it can give info on text rendering bounding boxes

[native spruce]

im thinking of doing some swiftdata optimizations

[woven mesa]

good idea

do not be like me and use negative padding

very cursed

[royal nymph]

wow nazis really are everywhere these days....

[woven mesa]

huh

idk what the joke even is so

[supple whale]

any chance some1 knows if its possible to implement your own module imports with dynamic type infering in TS?
trying to do

const typed = await myCustomImport('./file.ts')

[royal nymph]

the best you can do is

await myCustomImport<typeof import("./file.ts")>("./file.ts");

but also this seems like XY problem, why do you even need this

[lavish cloak]

Tfw the 5090 leak from a few months ago was actually true

[serene elk]

I wonder if this works

async function myCustomImort<T extends string>(path: T): typeof import(T) {
  ...
}

if I were to guess, it doesn't

[royal nymph]

nah it doesnt lmao

[serene elk]

lazy to try rn tho

[serene elk]

wishh it could lol

[royal nymph]

typeof import only works with static string

[supple whale]

i'm making a multi-threading library, and i want absolutely minimal boilerplate to get it to work:
main

import type extensionLoader from './worker'
import { wrap } from 'abslink/worker'

const Loader = wrap<typeof extensionLoader>('./worker.ts')
const life = await Loader.stuff()

worker

import { expose } from 'abslink/worker'

export default expose({
  stuff() {
    return 42
  }
})

this is the least i was able to get it to

the export default isnt required, but its the easiest way to expose the data without duplicating or explicit declarations

the problem with threading in all js envs, is that it needs to be done in a separate file, it makes me fume

you cant just go "this function is threaded, do make its memory operations unsafe"

i mean IIRC there was a proposal for this, but I can't find it :/

anyways, this is also meant to support IPC, so for example you could use websocket as the message channel, and run the worker code on some server, or even in a a different language if you re-implement the library

which isnt difficult at all

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty typeof import is about as cursed as me making function declarations be expressions

[valid jetty]

not really

[supple whale]

its fairly normal do to if you dont want to declare your own types, only have them inferred

[supple whale]

safe to assume not an XY problem then?

i flat out do not see a diff way of doing this

[royal nymph]

yeah there isn't any better solution better than what you have

but what you have is pretty clean I would say

[royal nymph]

vencord has exactly that xD but yeah it also uses typeof import

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/c8f4ce978595965a9a6da92dd8fe13f9cc826b61/src/plugins/translate/native.ts#L9
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/c8f4ce978595965a9a6da92dd8fe13f9cc826b61/src/plugins/translate/utils.ts#L29
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/c8f4ce978595965a9a6da92dd8fe13f9cc826b61/src/plugins/translate/utils.ts#L138

[pearl stag]

native.ts: Line 9

export async function makeDeeplTranslateRequest(_: IpcMainInvokeEvent, pro: boolean, apiKey: string, payload: string) {

utils.ts: Line 29

const Native = VencordNative.pluginHelpers.Translate as PluginNative<typeof import("./native")>;

utils.ts: Line 138

const { status, data } = await Native.makeDeeplTranslateRequest(

[supple whale]

yours is very tightly integrated with IPCMain, which supports that

i want it to work over ANY message channel, even HTTP requests, UDP packets etc

but yeah i assumed i arrived at the conclusion

i dont think it can get much better without a TS plugin

which means a serialization protocol for object accesses

TLDR what comlink did

[royal nymph]

yeah but electron ipc literally just sends what essentially is a json message, wouldn't be hard to make http / udp adapters for it

but those will of course be much more delayed

the second best thing you could do is codegen

[supple whale]

nah, IPCMain serializes it via V8 iirc

kinda like what transferables do for W3C MessageChannel

[royal nymph]

yeah but that means they are serialisable

so you could also just use json

[supple whale]

I dont want the developer to ever have to worry about that

they expose the object

and they call it

[royal nymph]

this is what a lot of libraries like prisma do

you run some command which analyses your files and then generates .d.ts files

[supple whale]

no funky states etc

yeah i'm aware of that being an option

but i dont like it, because its too much work and too many potential compatibility problems

[royal nymph]

oh yeah i absolutely agree

I hate that too and you have to restart your IDE for ts to realise those files changed

[supple whale]

well you dont, using a ts plugin works

thats what gql.tada does

and it works REALLY good

but i fucking shiver when i look at the implementation

its an ungodly amt of effort

[royal nymph]

you need to restart the tsserver but I just restart my ide cause it's faster

unless that plugin does some horror stuff

[supple whale]

it does horror stuff

its mad

i'll stick to what i got then

doesnt seem like it can be improved much at low cost

[royal nymph]

yeah that's already good

[supple whale]

yeah its x1000 better than what we currently have in js

having to manually do postMessage or invoke suuuucks

[supple whale]

oh yeah the only thing i didnt get working yet is remote constructors

aka

const x = await new wrap<typeof remoteConstructor>('./worker.ts')(options)

it works, but calling the constructed class's methods will interfere with the exposed constuctor

and will call both the class, and the constructor

oopsie

but i'm reaching the point where typescript is kinda shitting itself

it doesnt like automatically promisified class methods

cuz doing await exposedObject.property.nested works, but TS thinks all the steps are async, rather than just the last one

and it expects to await each key, even tho u dont need to

:/

[royal nymph]

lol this is way too specific to be able to help without seeing the actual code

that sounds really cursed

[supple whale]

oh nah not asking for help

just.... showing

or i guess talkin about it

i know what the issue it, it calls both exposed properities as its a single channel

not sure how i'll fix it yet

for the typescript thing....

yeah idk i gave up on typing it like that

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/abslink/blob/main/src/abslink.ts#L84

[pearl stag]

abslink.ts: Line 84

export type RemoteObject<T> = { [P in keyof T]: RemoteProperty<T[P]> }

[supple whale]

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/abslink/blob/main/src/abslink.ts#L46-L50

[pearl stag]

abslink.ts: Lines 46-50

type RemoteProperty<T> =
  // If the value is a method, abslink will proxy it automatically.
  // Objects are only proxied if they are marked to be proxied.
  // Otherwise, the property is converted to a Promise that resolves the cloned value.
  T extends Function | ProxyMarked ? Remote<T> : Promisify<T>

[supple whale]

I expected that to work...

it didnt....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/967799292335112233.webp?size=48&name=pain

because its just an object that becomes async

since its threaded

so sync properties become async

and async stay async

[royal nymph]

wait so foo.bar is a promise but foo.bar.baz works and also is a promise?

[supple whale]

yes

[royal nymph]

try ```ts
type RemoteProperty<T> = ... : Promisify<T> & { [key in T]: RemoteProperty<T[key]>; }

[supple whale]

you'd do await foo.bar or await foo.bar.baz

and both would work

but TS expects

await (await (await foo).bar).baz

idfk why

[royal nymph]

it makes sense cause u mark it as Promise

you need to also do something like this

[supple whale]

arent you're doing the inverse

?

you're also doing await (await (await foo).bar).baz

i need await foo.bar.baz

this is assuming

const foo = { bar: { baz: 42 }}

[royal nymph]

no

[supple whale]

oh i see

im dumb

sry i'll need to check later

on wrong pc as of now

but it seems promising

thanks for helping i'll check soon-ish

[royal nymph]

you're currently just marking it as Promise<T> but you need Promise<T> & Record<keyof T, RemoteProperty> so you can treat it like a normal object

also damn this is some cursed stuff 😭 proxy moment

how does that even work how does your proxy know what the last property access is (so it can make the ipc call)

do you just resolve it on the next tick or something

[supple whale]

when you get from a proxy u get the full accessor list

so you get an array of parmeters

i just serialize the array

then do path.reduce((obj, prop) => obj[prop], (obj as any))

not my code tho, this is stolen from google

just google's ver was HARDCODED to work only on W3C MessageChannels

which is useless

[supple whale]

yeah the impl is INSANELY cursed

but the end result

is fucking AMAZING

main

import type extensionLoader from './worker'
import { wrap } from 'abslink/worker'

const Loader = wrap<typeof extensionLoader>(worker)
const life = await Loader.stuff()

worker

import { expose } from 'abslink/worker'

export default expose({
  async stuff() {
    return 42
  }
})

you can't tell me this isnt sex

[royal nymph]

u don't tho, you have to track the property access chain urself

and you have no good way to know which the last property access in the chain is

the only way i can think of is using something like setImmediate to fire in a future tick (all synchronous code has been executed here so you know the property access chain has ended)

[supple whale]

ah yeah

it just creates proxies recursively

if the prop isnt an await it just keeps returning proxies recursively, creating a path from it

since the end result is ALWAYS a promise/await, you just wait for said await to occur

and awaiting an object always calls its .then, which is how u can implement promises yourself in js

its cursed

[royal nymph]

oh yeah right

you can abuse .then

funny

[supple whale]

cursed right?

but fuck does it work well

XD

[royal nymph]

.then is less cursed than the solution i thought of

[supple whale]

aka deferring to next tick?

[royal nymph]

yea

[supple whale]

hoesntly, its probably faster than this

XD

[royal nymph]

the next tick trick is how vencord lazy webpack allows you to destructure

[supple whale]

fortunately the props are cached, so this recursive bs only happens once on initial call

[royal nymph]

const { getUser } = findByPropsLazy("getUser");

// findByProps not fired yet

doSomeStuff();

// still not fired

getUser("1234567890"); // now fires findByProps

js is wonderfully cursed

[supple whale]

i love it

[valid jetty]

wow insane

[supple whale]

but this is peak threading for me at least in JS

i remember there being some proposal for

unsafe {
  
}

or smth like that

that allowed you to do inline multi-threading

but i CANNOT find it for the love of my life

that

would

be amazing

[supple whale]

yeah thats good no?

[royal nymph]

you can technically do this in js already

[supple whale]

not really no, it wont work with imports

i know what you're thinking of

[royal nymph]

yeah you wouldn't be able to use outside variables

[pearl stag]

createWritable.js: Lines 91-135

  onmessage = async evt => {
    const port = evt.ports[0]
    const cmd = evt.data
    switch (cmd.type) {
      case 'open': {
        const file = cmd.name

        let dir = await navigator.storage.getDirectory()

        for (const folder of cmd.path) {
          dir = await dir.getDirectoryHandle(folder)
        }

        fileHandle = await dir.getFileHandle(file)
        // @ts-ignore
        handle = await fileHandle.createSyncAccessHandle()
        break
      }
      case 'write':
        handle.write(cmd.data, { at: cmd.position })
        handle.flush()
        break
      case 'truncate':
        handle.truncate(cmd.size)
        break
      case 'abort':
      case 'close':
        handle.close()
        break
    }

    port.postMessage(0)
  }
}

globalThis.FileSystemFileHandle.prototype.createWritable = async function (options) {
  // Safari only support writing data in a worker with sync access handle.
  if (!workerUrl) {
    const stringCode = `(${code.toString()})()`
    const blob = new Blob([stringCode], {
      type: 'text/javascript'
    })
    workerUrl = URL.createObjectURL(blob)
  }
  const worker = new Worker(workerUrl, { type: 'module' })

[supple whale]

you're thinking of that

its wonderfully cursed

[royal nymph]

|| `function runOnThread(thread, func) { return thread.eval("(" + func.toString() + ")()") }; ||

[supple whale]

eh oops wrong copy

[pearl stag]

createWritable.js: Lines 91-135

  onmessage = async evt => {
    const port = evt.ports[0]
    const cmd = evt.data
    switch (cmd.type) {
      case 'open': {
        const file = cmd.name

        let dir = await navigator.storage.getDirectory()

        for (const folder of cmd.path) {
          dir = await dir.getDirectoryHandle(folder)
        }

        fileHandle = await dir.getFileHandle(file)
        // @ts-ignore
        handle = await fileHandle.createSyncAccessHandle()
        break
      }
      case 'write':
        handle.write(cmd.data, { at: cmd.position })
        handle.flush()
        break
      case 'truncate':
        handle.truncate(cmd.size)
        break
      case 'abort':
      case 'close':
        handle.close()
        break
    }

    port.postMessage(0)
  }
}

globalThis.FileSystemFileHandle.prototype.createWritable = async function (options) {
  // Safari only support writing data in a worker with sync access handle.
  if (!workerUrl) {
    const stringCode = `(${code.toString()})()`
    const blob = new Blob([stringCode], {
      type: 'text/javascript'
    })
    workerUrl = URL.createObjectURL(blob)
  }
  const worker = new Worker(workerUrl, { type: 'module' })

[supple whale]

CODE SPAM

WTF

delete them 2

soz

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/fsa-chunk-store/blob/master/createWritable.js#L88-L135

[pearl stag]

createWritable.js: Lines 88-135

const code = () => {
  let fileHandle, handle

  onmessage = async evt => {
    const port = evt.ports[0]
    const cmd = evt.data
    switch (cmd.type) {
      case 'open': {
        const file = cmd.name

        let dir = await navigator.storage.getDirectory()

        for (const folder of cmd.path) {
          dir = await dir.getDirectoryHandle(folder)
        }

        fileHandle = await dir.getFileHandle(file)
        // @ts-ignore
        handle = await fileHandle.createSyncAccessHandle()
        break
      }
      case 'write':
        handle.write(cmd.data, { at: cmd.position })
        handle.flush()
        break
      case 'truncate':
        handle.truncate(cmd.size)
        break
      case 'abort':
      case 'close':
        handle.close()
        break
    }

    port.postMessage(0)
  }
}

globalThis.FileSystemFileHandle.prototype.createWritable = async function (options) {
  // Safari only support writing data in a worker with sync access handle.
  if (!workerUrl) {
    const stringCode = `(${code.toString()})()`
    const blob = new Blob([stringCode], {
      type: 'text/javascript'
    })
    workerUrl = URL.createObjectURL(blob)
  }
  const worker = new Worker(workerUrl, { type: 'module' })

[supple whale]

this one is correct

GH is trolling me

[royal nymph]

you can react with ❌ or garbage can i think

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/fsa-chunk-store/blob/master/createWritable.js#L88

[supple whale]

dont seem like it

anyways

url from blob from func to string

[royal nymph]

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/fsa-chunk-store/blob/master/createWritable.js#L88

no you can

❌ reaction works

maybe only latest one

[supple whale]

but its still not really what you're looking for

[royal nymph]

yeah ofc

[supple whale]

because it only rly works for a single thread

not multiple

since it wont sync variables

[royal nymph]

it's probably never gonna happen

[supple whale]

no dude

i swear there was a proposal for it

and it was REALLY good

but i cant find it

and it actually is burning a hole in my brain because i dont rmemeber what it was called

[royal nymph]

i mean for what it's worth you could do smth like this

runOnThread(
  (foo, bar, baz) => { },
  [foo, bar, baz]
);

and it would serialise foo bar and baz for you

that's the best you can get rn

[supple whale]

https://github.com/tc39/proposal-structs?tab=readme-ov-file#shared-structs

maybe it was this?

i'm not sure

this involves workers tho i remember it not involving workers

not a new idea tho

i remember some lib called greensmth that did that

like idk 7 years ago?

https://github.com/developit/greenlet

damn my memory and temporal coherence is fucking good

[royal nymph]

|| there's also the opposite of that that makes async functions synchronous ||

[supple whale]

oh yeah i know of this too

i think now u can do it with atomics

but there was a hack for it before that

warting originally came up with it iirc

but he took up farming

F

we lost another one

[royal nymph]

nah u cant do it with atomics

since atomics block the thread

[supple whale]

you can cuz i did it

XD

for my webrtc polyfill library for node/deno/bun

its an AWFUL idea

but it works!

[royal nymph]

how

show code

[supple whale]

i nuked it, cuz it tanked perf and latency

but i'll find it 1 sec

[royal nymph]

i experimented a lot with these things but it always blocks the thread so nothing can be executed including async callbacks

[supple whale]

well yeah

ofc

thats how sync works

[royal nymph]

the one i know of achieves it by abusing child_process.execSync, spawning another node process and blocking until it finishes xD

[supple whale]

https://github.com/jimmywarting/await-sync/blob/main/mod.js#L27-L31
https://github.com/jimmywarting/await-sync/blob/main/mod.js#L58-L60

[pearl stag]

mod.js: Lines 27-31

Atomics.store(int32, 0, 0)
// Send the arguments to the worker thread
localPort.postMessage(args)
// Wait for the worker thread to send the result back
Atomics.wait(int32, 0, 0)

mod.js: Lines 58-60

Atomics.notify(int32, 0)
// Wait for the worker thread to send more data
Atomics.wait(int32, 0, bytesLeft)

[supple whale]

thats the non-hacky version

which as u said, blocks main thread

because how else would it work

[royal nymph]

ohhh like that

okay that makes sense

[supple whale]

then there's ANOTHER one

using the v8 VM

[royal nymph]

i forgot you can also use Atomics to send data

There's another way to use them to just wait for exactly 1s

i was only thinking about that

[supple whale]

and yeah if you have access to V8, you can use the semaphore to return data from the thread https://github.com/lambci/sync-threads/blob/master/src/index.js#L31

[pearl stag]

index.js: Line 31

const data = v8.deserialize(Buffer.from(sharedBuffer, INT32_BYTES, length))

[supple whale]

the amt of cursed js holds in it

is amazing

lang that trully lets u do anything, without being annoying to work with

[royal nymph]

grate

[supple whale]

EKHEM C

[royal nymph]

the only other language I can think of that also allows so much cursed shenanigans is Java

[supple whale]

yeah, he's from some dutch country iirc

[royal nymph]

aka the language Javascript was modeled after

[supple whale]

so his english is bad

but he's a good guy

took up faming tho

not rly, he took up gardening

[royal nymph]

isn't this guy a slopdev

okay no i confused him with someone else

[supple whale]

if you ever used any open soure library from npm

you used his code

trust me

[royal nymph]

(referring to people like this who make 3 billion useless packages)

[supple whale]

he's fucking everywhere

[royal nymph]

yeah i know

i've seen him before

hence why I was worried he's a slopdev

[supple whale]

nah he actually makes insanely cool stuff

streamsaver was big

google used it for ages themselves

before FSA came to be adopted better

he's also the one that showed me u can create node-style http servers in browser via service workers

and 0 hacks

just plain service worker

[royal nymph]

dutch 😭

he's swedish

[supple whale]

might be

i dont remember

i talk to dozens of people like that

maybe mathvias was dutch

fairly sure that guy killed himself, he was depressed as fuck and i havent seen him in years

ggz

[royal nymph]

this guy? https://www.reddit.com/user/mathvias/

[supple whale]

https://github.com/mathiasvr

he made the first half-decent ebml library for js

which i then took and supercharged

and proceeded to NEVER write docs for it cuz lazy

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/ebml-iterator

XD

but its a 0 dependency [outside of buffer cuz i couldnt get uint8 working] version of that using iterators

instead of streams

which makes it like >x2 as fast

oh also @royal nymph if u want smth cursed: https://github.com/ThaUnknown/nzb-file/blob/main/src/index.ts

exposes NTTP article-based files as real-time streamable W3C File objects

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1293934183307022387.webp?size=48&name=troll_unhinged

NNTP is kinda.... like email... but RSS? its very old

[royal nymph]

the horror

[supple whale]

yeah i do "why the fuck not" code when i'm bored

IWAs now have functional TCP and UDP socket, so i'm gonna be polyfilling node net, dgram and http for them next

XD

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/967799296206471178.webp?size=48&name=Stonks

[supple whale]

had to do:

T extends Function | ProxyMarked ? Remote<T> : T extends object ? Promisify<T> & { [K in keyof T]: RemoteProperty<T[K]>; } : Promisify<T>

but it worked

thanks for the idea

"just promisify it at every step, but also non promisify at every step"

its so dumb, but it works!

[hoary sluice]

do they teach this shit in uni

[dense sand]

You will be lucky if you get to learn something else than extends/implements in java /s

[supple whale]

my uni taught me how to make a square and rectangle class in java

but they did NOT teach us to extend rectangle

so yeah, above is true

i'm entirely self taught

in the 5 yrs i've been in uni i've not learned anything

except some algebra for a semester that i still dont know how to use

and for 5 years i didnt fail a SINGLE exam

except for last week

where the bitch LOST MY EXAM AND FAILED ME

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK!?

i'm still giga salty about it

[ornate quiver]

complain to her department head

might work

[willow knot]

it will always amaze me how teachers "lose exams" like you've been teaching for 5 years do you not have the whole "put shit where you wont lose it" thing down?

[violet inlet]

@supple whale I feel like I've seen you somewhere

[royal nymph]

yop uni so bad

self learning >>>>>

[formal belfry]

i've decided to try and learn more about how injecting stuff into webpack works
everything in the bundle im looking at though is inside of an IIFE, and the one variable that does get exposed at the end, webpackChunksle, only has a .push(e,a) method, unlike discord which has a huge array of code chunks and then a push method

and just doing what vencord does with Object.defineProperty doesn't seem to yield anything

[ornate quiver]

i asking vee for help with this awhile back

#🪅-progaming message

https://github.com/Vendicated/WebpackGrabber

[serene elk]

or if you wanna go more hardcore https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/patcher-rewrite/src/webpack/patchWebpack.ts

[supple whale]

webtorrent, its dependencies, miru, it's dependencies or random FOSS contributions I needed for the above

[supple whale]

it was an online exam, and "it just disappeared"

what kind of incompetence

[willow knot]

HOW DO YOU LOSE AN ONLINE EXAM

thats just the teacher hates you and wants to lower your grade

they didnt lose anything, they just glossed over your name

[cerulean plover]

running sudo rm -rf /* on the exam server

[willow knot]

DELETE * FROM exams

[atomic brook]

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/30647b6bd9f61e80a2bde2eb259887f6eb3b171e/src/globals.d.ts#L35-L44

Is there a specific reason why var was chosen here?

[pearl stag]

globals.d.ts: Lines 35-44

export var IS_WEB: boolean;
export var IS_EXTENSION: boolean;
export var IS_STANDALONE: boolean;
export var IS_UPDATER_DISABLED: boolean;
export var IS_DEV: boolean;
export var IS_REPORTER: boolean;
export var IS_DISCORD_DESKTOP: boolean;
export var IS_VESKTOP: boolean;
export var VERSION: string;
export var BUILD_TIMESTAMP: number;

[supple whale]

ven was horni

and forgot that we have es6 at home

[ornate quiver]

otherwise you can't assign them guh

[supple whale]

...let?

[atomic brook]

But they're assigned at a build time

And I haven't seen them changing in the runtime somehow

[royal nymph]

funny

I think there was a reason I'm not sure honestly

[atomic brook]

[atomic brook]

I hope it's something like

[dense sand]

Yummy

[jade stone]

i wonder if esbuild would inline it if it was used in an assignment

[dense sand]

guys i want to implement carousel component, the idea i have is to have overflow on x direction set to hidden and show only the 1 element, then fluently translatex when needed, this is what i have now, but it doesnt seem to work well, the items are shrinked

[supple whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrR7uktimg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1207393766458007562.webp?size=48&name=kekwolf

[supple whale]

man it takes 2 months to merge a docs update to electron

💀

[still jolt]

who could've guessed that dev branch is not stable ​​​​​

[royal nymph]

no your plugins are just outdated

[still jolt]

yeah it's my own plugin

I updated it now

[nimble bone]

lol

[cerulean plover]

UserpluginExploder

[jade stone]

xphelper

[hoary sluice]

gm

@deep mulch

oh zooter my zooter

[hoary sluice]

theyre globals anyway

so it shouldnt matter right

actually no i forgot this is javascript where nothing ever makes sense

[deep mulch]

hi

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape imma try rustrover

havent used it in years maybe they made it better than zed

[cerulean plover]

yes very insane

[still jolt]

yes I am insane ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[dense sand]

tailwind 4.0 came out a few days ago and the performance boost is really significant(atleast for me)

oh thats why

im cooked

[dense sand]

Authjs is the worst thing ive ever seen

@royal nymph by the way, if you remember the discussion about injecting arbitrary html and css, are you familiar with shadow dom? If so, is there any reason not to use it?

[placid cape]

go for it I guess

[spark tiger]

one thing i noticed is how slow auto-completing is. like i type something and it takes rustrover a few seconds to load the methods, variables, etc. though i'm not sure if it's rustrover's issue or is it just that the project itself is very big

[dense sand]

Imagine a blazingly fast react framework built on top of bun

[royal nymph]

it's good

[jade stone]

am i crazy or does jetbrains not register makefiles that dont end with .mk

(you cant select the directory either so its not treating that as a default)

[frosty obsidian]

theres probably some setting that you can change

[fallen nebula]

makefiles are not supposed to end in .mk tho do they ?
also i'm pretty sure you can force it in the entension setting stuff

[dense sand]

They can

i mean its not enforced or anything

[fallen nebula]

yeak but then if you do make, you have to specify the file

[dense sand]

yea it should look only for Makefile

i rather think that .mk files are sort of "extension" files which are then "imported" (by calling e.g. make -F cpp.mk) into the main Makefile

[fallen nebula]

so even if technically you can use any name and extension, having the makefile be named makefile is the intended thing

reading a bit, it seems like .mk is just some informal thing that everyone kinda decided to take as a standard for non-standard makefiles naming or files that extend a makefile by getting included

pretty sure you can tell clion to consider .mk as makefiles

[jade stone]

makefile, and Makefile are all used by default for make

       make executes commands in the makefile to update one or more targets, where target is typically a program.  If no -f option is present, make will look for the makefiles GNUmakefile, makefile, and Makefile, in that order.

       Normally you should call your makefile either makefile or Makefile.  (We recommend Makefile because it appears prominently near the beginning of a directory listing, right near other important files such as README.)  The first name checked, GNUmakefile, is not recommended for most makefiles.  You should use this name if you have a makefile that is specific to GNU Make, and will not be understood by other versions of make.  If makefile is '-', the standard input is read.

from man make

[royal nymph]

guhh why is duckduckgo favicon api flop, it returns blank icon for TinEye https://icons.duckduckgo.com/ip3/tineye.com.ico

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver @valid jetty did you know about this https://genuary.art/

[ornate quiver]

huskk

[deep mulch]

unhusk

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/CubedArya/status/1882711328336535664

Arya (@CubedArya) on X

The american dream

X · Jan 24, 2025, 8:45 AM

[deep mulch]

insane

[fallow jasper]

schizophrenic

[royal nymph]

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[lusty rock]

How they fell when they do something like this?

[ornate quiver]

God

[jade stone]

you're writing javascript, god is already dead

[hoary sluice]

its also really bad at importing

it sometimes imports the wrong path, and some times doesnt suggest an import at all

[dense sand]

Peak rust experience

[frosty obsidian]

i just used vscode for rust

it worked okay

[ornate quiver]

wtf yall doing on rustrover

it works 95% of the time fine for me

even doing cursed stuff

and has been since the EAP

[frosty obsidian]

i didn't do anything

i just didn't really notice an immediate benefit

im sure it's probably better if you're writing a lot of rust but i don't

and i don't want to pay for an ide that i just won't be using

[ornate quiver]

iirc its free for "non commercial use" now

just like webstorm

[valid jetty]

zed >>>

[placid cape]

fr

I don't see any reason to use jetbrains ide for other langs than java, kotlin, ruby

[supple whale]

i'd disagree with java and put python in there

kotlin is unusable outside of jetbrains, ive tried many times

and ruby just doesnt have tooling outside of jetbrains

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin is unusable outside jetbrains intentionally

it has no official lsp

[supple whale]

there are some vscode plugins, but they stop working when u try doing more complex things

so yeah its annoying

fortunately fuck java fuck kotlin never using that shit agane

XD

[valid jetty]

python???

i can write python in notepad

who needs an ide for python lmao

[supple whale]

you can also go write assembly in notepad

so go and do it, take ur weird arguments with ya

[valid jetty]

yeah but like, python is concise enough to where you dont really need a specialized ide to write code in it

[supple whale]

just because you've only written 20loc scripts in python doesnt meant thats true for everyone

its like saying you can do web dev in notepad

sure, noone is gonna do it like that because its not reasonable for anything remotely advanced

[dense sand]

rosie is the last person you should be assuming this about

[supple whale]

i know, but thats how the argument is presented

which is why it doesnt make sense

idk its arguing for the point of arguing

and i fucking hate that

[dense sand]

cursed af JEP

[supple whale]

UM AHSHTUALLY TECHNICALLY YOU DONT NEED TO

[dense sand]

why not java?

[supple whale]

java have a lot of ide's that work outside of jetbrains very well, so its not a necessity

not saying jetbrains ide for java aint good, its just not the only option

[dense sand]

i mean, developing spring-like/enterprise apps outside of intellij is pain in ass not gonna lie

even for minecraft development

its purely subjective

but theres a reason 70% of Java devs use intellij

[supple whale]

i personally havent had such problems, it worked, so idk

[dense sand]

what have you written in java?

[supple whale]

like... 2 minecraft mods, an example spring boot app for some uni shit and that's about it

oh and some threading shit

not much

[dense sand]

perhaps you worked with things that dont necessarily require intellij

things like database/jpa were for sure pain to use given things like jpa buddy were missing

atleast for me

[supple whale]

yeah its possible some libs are developed for intellij, but most of it works outside of it, its possible its better its in intellij

kotlin flat out doesnt work tho outside of intellij, python intellisense and typechecking doesnt either, ruby is also unusable outside of rubymine

is what i mean

I guess

[dense sand]

i havent had much problems with python in vscode

kotlin doesnt have a public lsp so its understandable

[supple whale]

my friends who write libs for python complained about it A LOT

[ionic lake]

just use the Python extension on vscode which bundles pylance, or use basedpyright for other editors with lsp support

[placid cape]

Java is unusable outside jetbrains

You really don't want gradle/maven/.... project outside intellij

[frosty obsidian]

use eclipse

[placid cape]

why would you

[frosty obsidian]

if you hate yourself

[supple whale]

ah yes eclipse

2010 was a different time

[supple whale]

from experience you'll need to set up CI scripts anyways, so just pasting the maven config into another editor isnt that bad

intellij handling it for you wasnt a good thing for me

but this is very outdated experience for me, idk how it is nowdays

[frosty obsidian]

you do need some sort of actual ide

[supple whale]

intellisense, language servers, type checking etc is giga important for time saving

[frosty obsidian]

stuff like vscode has terrible java support, even with plugins

its not that java is unusable outside of idea, its just that idea is the best tool for it

[spark tiger]

can’t believe president trump is a rust hater

[ornate quiver]

holy fuck they reinvented by lazy { ... } from kotlin in a worse way

[dense sand]

yep

i dont like this whole thing anyways

[fleet cedar]

Wtf is StableValue

[dense sand]

new JEP

they should just add
@Lazy annotation

and let it live

[frosty obsidian]

they should just develop a brain

[supple whale]

real femboys use js

smh

[dense sand]

thats a totally different thing

you cant really compare these languages

[fleet cedar]

I don't think annotations that change fundamental behavior is a good idea

[royal nymph]

(that's not what happened)

[frosty obsidian]

@Override

[dense sand]

that does nothing

its a marker annotation

[royal nymph]

whitehouse accounts and website are always nuked once president changes so the new president has a clean slate

if you want to find the rust post you need to look it up in the biden archive

[fleet cedar]

A lint does not change fundamental behavior

If you want lazy statics, just stick them in an inner class

[ornate quiver]

its funnier to think trump hates rust

liberal rust propaganda

[frosty obsidian]

@Lazy would also not change anything fundamentally

[dense sand]

we have annotation processors, quite surprised it hasnt been added yet to something like lombok

[royal nymph]

I would vote trump if this were true

[fleet cedar]

What would it do then

[supple whale]

now now, dont hate rust

[frosty obsidian]

idk

[supple whale]

its the only language that isnt utterly cancer to compile to WASM

[frosty obsidian]

but i doubt it would be anything fundamental

[fleet cedar]

It'd have to rewrite that static and all accesses to it to function calls, or to a hidden inner class

[spark tiger]

[frosty obsidian]

it could probably just hint to the jvm when to initialize it

in a similar manner to how @Override tells the jvm which version of the method should be executed

[fleet cedar]

Yeah "just" add a way to have code that runs on static accesses

[supple whale]

jesus, reading this only makes me think "thank fuck i stopped writing java"

[fleet cedar]

It doesn't though. It gives an error if it does not in fact override a method, that's all

[dense sand]

yea

[frosty obsidian]

guh

[dense sand]

@Override is a marker

it doesnt really do anything

[frosty obsidian]

nvm then

[ornate quiver]

just a source thing

[dense sand]

yea

heres the jep anyways: https://openjdk.org/jeps/502

valhalla will release when im 60

[valid jetty]

every transfem knows rust so maybe he does

[dense sand]

is there any good way to prevent this? I'm using Bun and my friend is using NPM, we always overwrite yarn.lock file(I need it for deployement) any idea how to solve this?

[ornate quiver]

prevent what exactly

[hoary sluice]

make ur friend use bun

[dense sand]

Overwriting the yarn lock

[hoary sluice]

why is that just universally true

[ornate quiver]

yeah just tell them to stop using bun

trolldayruined~2

[hoary sluice]

start*

[ornate quiver]

oh

stop using bun

[dense sand]

what

[ornate quiver]

trolleyzoom~2

[dense sand]

bun is the best

everyone is gotta start using this blazingly fast runtime

[hoary sluice]

why did i think bun was written in rust

[ornate quiver]

node+pnpm

best

[dense sand]

erm its zig actually 🤓

[hoary sluice]

yea

[valid jetty]

rspack 😭

[hoary sluice]

anything related to js is terrible but if the only way you can feed your family is to use js then bun is the best

[valid jetty]

idk ask the nefarious crab

[hoary sluice]

crablang reference??

[frosty obsidian]

i refuse to use bun

[winged mantle]

i love javasceript for some reason

i think i am just attracted to ugly things

[nimble bone]

use a normal runtime (node+pnpm)

[dense sand]

i mean, i use bun on local, but server uses whatever you give it(prefers to yarn, doesnt support bun). im quite comfortable with bun

[supple whale]

sorry i couldnt hear u over the segmentation fault

[supple whale]

cuz you likely thought of deno, the superior runtime

[dense sand]

Works on my machine

[supple whale]

which has v8 bindings written in rust

[supple whale]

its peak, standardised high-level API's, full platform independence no matter the architecture, endianness, no compile, low barrier of entry, little to no-restrictions about what u can break, patch or overwrite

there's a lot to like

tell me one other langauge, where you can call bluetooth, and get the SAME result and devices on iOS, android, windows and linux, across arm and x64

because fuck i've not found any outside of js XD

[winged mantle]

java

write once run anywhere

[supple whale]

nope

[winged mantle]

yeah ik ios does not like java

[supple whale]

java is kinda... that

except it has a compile step, and no high level api standards

like what W3C does

i like how deno casually implements webgpu

like... what?

XD

and it just fucking... works

LOL

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin

[winged mantle]

same difference

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin has support for apple devices

without jvm

[ornate quiver]

write once run for your life!

[winged mantle]

duke is coming...