🪅-progaming

[valid jetty]

google indexing just sucks

[hoary sluice]

lol??? https://github.com/NajmAjmal-old/azalea-maths

[placid cape]

naah

i need to start working on the voice assistant again

and now im adding multi language support to the correspondence seminar xddd

[hoary sluice]

its the best, not the cutest

[placid cape]

what repository?

send link

[hoary sluice]

azalea

[placid cape]

oh you sent it nvm

[hoary sluice]

i desperately want to use icps to script the voice assistant but i dont think i have enough time

[placid cape]

would be extremely cool

[valid jetty]

yeah uh this was when he was experimenting with changing around azalea

[hoary sluice]

itd just require shell integration

[valid jetty]

you can do that like really easily

[hoary sluice]

just dmca him

[placid cape]

lol

[valid jetty]

theres a function in libc called system

[placid cape]

why his repo has 28 starts

[hoary sluice]

it also requires a complete language

[valid jetty]

its exactly what you want and very easy to use

[valid jetty]

i genuinely dont know

[hoary sluice]

i just started working on the interpreter part

[hoary sluice]

cause when ppl look for sparxmath solver they see his repo

[valid jetty]

which is why i probably should get it taken down

but azalea doesnt even show up

[hoary sluice]

rename urs to sparxmaths and dmca him

[valid jetty]

i dont care enough to rename it to sparxmaths but ill dmca him

ugh i have to fill out another one of those stupid forms

[placid cape]

its pretty easy to dmca takedown on github

[hoary sluice]

u want ppl to use it right

[placid cape]

not that hard

i already did it

[hoary sluice]

of course you did

[placid cape]

https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-policies/guide-to-submitting-a-dmca-takedown-notice

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/85ba5173c967185164ef34ee3789a3768f63f503/2023/11/2023-11-10-azalea.md

[pearl stag]

2023-11-10-azalea.md: Line 4

[valid jetty]

i did too

[placid cape]

cool

[placid cape]

wtf

so its the same person right?

because when you open the links it redirects you

https://github.com/c0lide/SparxSolver

[valid jetty]

c0lide is a different person but theyre working together

[placid cape]

but looks like he transfered the repository or something

XDDDDDDDDDD

[hoary sluice]

he is just posing now

[valid jetty]

am i yapping

whatever

i filed it

i dont care anymore

i just want this stupid thing to be done

there the repo is called sparxmaths now

hopefully the chrome search index doesnt push that scam anymore

[jade stone]

[placid cape]

gn guys

[deep mulch]

gn

[hoary sluice]

gm

[dense sand]

Gm

[spark tiger]

argh why is [u8] in rust not the same as [u8; 4]

i kinda get why you can’t convert [u8] to [u8; 4] but i don’t get why you can’t pass [u8] into a [u8; 4] parameter assuming both are 4 bytes

[fleet cedar]

Because &[u8] might not be &[u8; 4]?

[valid jetty]

[u8] doesnt have the Sized trait i assume

^

the compiler doesnt know how big the slice is at compile time

it does know how big [u8; 4] is tho

[fleet cedar]

You can TryFrom it if you want https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/primitive.array.html#impl-TryFrom<%26[T]>-for-%26[T;+N]

[valid jetty]

you can just do this surely

fn other(x: impl Into<[u8; 4]>) {
    dbg!(x.into()[2]);
}

fn main() {
    other([255, 255, 1, 223]);
}

or well

yeah try into

use std::convert::TryInto;

fn other(x: impl AsRef<[u8]>) {
    let array: [u8; 4] = x.as_ref().try_into().unwrap();
    dbg!(array[2]);
}

fn main() {
    other(&[255, 1, 255, 1]);
}
``` something like that

although i think the temporary value created is of type &[{integer}; 4]

you can do this ```rs
use std::convert::TryInto;

fn other(x: impl AsRef<[u8]>) {
let array: [u8; 4] = x.as_ref().try_into().unwrap();
dbg!(array[2]);
}

fn main() {
let x: &[u8] = &[255, 1, 255, 1];
other(x);
}

[dawn ledge]

try from/into is pretty much the only way to convert slices into arrays

[fleet cedar]

How curious, that the trait for fallible conversion is the way to perform a fallible conversion

[dawn ledge]

:clueless:

[valid jetty]

elle's type system is actually powerful enough to represent phantom types

i loveeeeeeeeee

i can probably take advantage of this for the file abstraction im planning to make

File<Open> vs File<Closed>

[fleet cedar]

Are namespaces types now

[valid jetty]

namespaces have always been types

theyre opaque structs

structs with no fields and so 0 sized

[fleet cedar]

I guess that kinda makes sense, in a way

[valid jetty]

because i made it so the compiler doesnt let you define just struct Foo {} as thats not really a valid thing

[fleet cedar]

Why

[valid jetty]

in the IR you cant have a struct type with no members

namespaces are removed when generating the IR

[fleet cedar]

And why are you letting IR limitations affect your language design

[valid jetty]

but you can do this

use std/libc/mem;

namespace HeapAllocator;
global pub;

fn HeapAllocator::new() {
    return (HeapAllocator *)nil;
}

fn HeapAllocator::alloc(HeapAllocator *self, i32 size) {
    return mem::malloc(size);
}

fn HeapAllocator::realloc(HeapAllocator *self, void *ptr, i32 new_size) {
    return mem::realloc(ptr, new_size);
}

fn HeapAllocator::free(HeapAllocator *self, void *ptr) {
    return mem::free(ptr);
}

fn HeapAllocator::free_self(HeapAllocator *self) {}
``` because T * decays to `l` and doesnt need the inner type

[valid jetty]

i mean its not really an IR limitation i think its a C ABI limitation

but yeah either way you can define these phantom types and the compiler will never generate any IR for them

[fleet cedar]

Still letting implementation details affect your design

[valid jetty]

the only options i have are

• throw an error when you make a struct with no fields
• artificially add a field
• remove the empty structs when generating IR

creating a struct with no fields throws an error, creating a namespace doesnt but removes the struct when generating IR

[fleet cedar]

One of those is completely ridiculous, one is what C (or at least C++) does, and one is the sane one

[valid jetty]

C++ artificially adds a field???

mildly cursed i think

[fleet cedar]

Yup https://godbolt.org/z/x6or775ef

Well dunno if it's literally adding a field, but zero-field structs are one byte large

[valid jetty]

i guess i can do that too

the last one is not really sane btw lmao

[fleet cedar]

Why

Generating IR according to the code seems sane to me

[valid jetty]

if you write this program

struct Foo;

fn main() {
    let x = Foo {};
}
``` and the struct doesnt exist in the IR it will throw a compilation warning

[fleet cedar]

Write better ir then

[valid jetty]

lmao

[hoary sluice]

not an error??

[hoary sluice]

what the fuck

what even is a namespace in the first place

[valid jetty]

its original purpose was to make methods without creating a corresponding struct

like where you can do

namespace Foo;

fn Foo::add(i32 a, i32 b) {}
``` etc

here the add function is namespaced under Foo

but its representation internally is a struct with no fields and size 0 which is removed by the compiler when generating IR

[fleet cedar]

So instead of making zst structs work, you make a completely different kind of item for zsts

[valid jetty]

i didnt like the idea of adding a field so yes

[spark tiger]

it just seems kinda weird that i have to explicitly tell the compiler that an array i create in code has the same size as the one i initialized. i mean:

// this one won’t work
let buf: [u8] = [0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff];
u32::from_le_bytes(buf);

// this one will work
let buf: [u8; 4] = [0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff];
u32::from_le_bytes(buf);```
like shouldn’t it be *obvious* for the compiler that the array of 4 u8’s will have the size of u8*4

[fleet cedar]

It is, unless you explicitly tell it otherwise

let buf = [0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff];
u32::from_le_bytes(buf); // works

You are explicitly telling the compiler that this is an unsized slice

[valid jetty]

youre trying to cast a sized type to an unsized type

[spark tiger]

Oh

[valid jetty]

that works because rust infers the type of buf to be [u8; 4] lol

[spark tiger]

also sorry what’s the difference between a sized and and unsized array? i’m not sure what unsized is supposed to mean. like the array is unlimited?

[fleet cedar]

It means the size is not statically known, but only at runtime

[dawn ledge]

dont add the type annotation

[spark tiger]

also i kinda wish types like u32, u16, f32, etc. had a mutual trait (apologies if it’s wrong terms, i don’t know much) which included from_le_bytes and similar methods

[fleet cedar]

Define one

Or use num_traits

[spark tiger]

yeah ig it’s the only workaround. that’s kinda neat you can even do that with rust

btw is there method overloading

[fleet cedar]

No

[spark tiger]

got it

[valid jetty]

no there isnt thats why you have unwrap and unwrap_or

if there was method overloading you could just have unwrap be an overload for whether you pass an argument into it

[dawn ledge]

i mean you can do method overloading

but its not really inuitive

with a bit of generic magic and Fn impl

this allows different number of arguments

if you have a constant number of arguments in your overloads then you can use generics and trait bounds

i dont have the code rn but i used generics + trait bounds to make a set function that takes either T or a clousure/fn that returns T

[spark tiger]

got it, thank y’all. i think i’m starting to get a better understanding of how things work in rust. it doesn’t seem like a pita to do what i want. rust seems fun

[dawn ledge]

yop rust is great

[jade stone]

i love it when esbuild cant bundle a package for node

[supple whale]

that's fairly common

so far for me only webpack bundles for node correctly

and by relation, rspack

[jade stone]

why is everything failing

[nimble bone]

@jade stone @jade stone you

finally found a usb drive

can finally use my computer

[jade stone]

[hoary sluice]

school lan is crazy

[ornate quiver]

wtf thats crazy

[viscid grove]

internet speed is like golf right?
lower number = better

[dense sand]

Wow mine doesn't even start

[jade stone]

guhhh i love when my makefile doesnt work on windows

POWERSHELL IS INSANE

WHO WOULD USE WINDOWS

ah yes, im piping cd

i want all that bullshit

[still jolt]

yeah windows sucks ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[serene elk]

why tho

Powershell is fine honestly

[still jolt]

how is powershell 180 MB

[jade stone]

cross-platform makefile

trying to write this in powershell

[jade stone]

iirc it has a lot of built-in modules

[still jolt]

also this will only work if zsh is installed, which it isn't always

just sh -c "find src -name '*.cpp'"

[jade stone]

linux users can cry about it

(i didnt know find was a thing until i wrote this and someone told me)

[still jolt]

also ```powershell
Get-ChildItem src -Name -Recurse -Filter "*.cpp"

[jade stone]

i think google lied to me

[still jolt]

gives you only filenames, without src/ though

[still jolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm just looking at powershell docs

[jade stone]

oh, you know the fun thing about those

the only way to remove them is to add a line to the top of your $profile

for each alias

because they cant be removed permantly

[still jolt]

powershell sucks ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

what did you expect

[jade stone]

@still jolt

Get-ChildItem -Path . -Filter *.c -Name -Recurse  | grep ^src

[still jolt]

oh god ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[jade stone]

@still jolt i swear grep came with windows, but i was wrong

this is the final version

Get-ChildItem -Path . -Filter *.c -Name -Recurse  | Select-String -Raw -NoEmphasis ^src

[dense sand]

our teacher disallows the use of powershell in IT classse

[still jolt]

this would be so much easier to do with just cmd ​​​​​​​

[jade stone]

never touching that with a 10 foot pole

[still jolt]

dir /s src | find ".cpp"

or something like that

[still jolt]

how can he stop you, anyways

[dense sand]

well some flags in e.g. dir in cmd and dir in powershell differ

so im forced to use cmd anyways

[still jolt]

dir in powershell is gci

sooo

[jade stone]

the one thing powershell does have is good docs

[still jolt]

me when I man

[dense sand]

man i love man

[jade stone]

its one of the few things where you cant compare it to linux

its just leagues better

[still jolt]

wdym

[dense sand]

i wouldnt say so

[icy loom]

The result was too large, so here it is as a file:

[still jolt]

31k characters documenting something as shrimple as grep

[dense sand]

it remote fetches the docs anyways

[still jolt]

at least I don't have to google "powershell <insert command name>"

which makes it easier when you're on pty/tty only

[dense sand]

oh wow 💀

55 mins of yapping about js shit

[still jolt]

eh t3 and primeagen are annoying ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[dense sand]

i mean they basically only react to articles

but actually primeagen does something useful on streams

[still jolt]

t3 I just ignore cause he's annoying, primeagen I click into the description and read the article myself

[dense sand]

like i enjoyed when prime learnt shaders on stream

that was pretty interesting

[placid cape]

lol

theo moment

[dense sand]

yea lol

[supple whale]

they are very useful for finding new shit

then reading about it urself instead of watching their slop

[dense sand]

guys i was wondering, do you think its better to do database/any remote queries from wrapping server component or should i just do it inside the useeffect inside of the client component?

like this i mean

i mean the difference should be basically that one will perform before mount and one will perform during mount, right? but that should be the only difference

[royal nymph]

what

man exists

[jade stone]

in my experiecne, windows docs have always been better than man pages

not saying man pages are bad, just windows docs are better

[royal nymph]

maybe but that doesn't make powershell less dogshit in comparison to linux shells

[jade stone]

true

[placid cape]

true

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape

[placid cape]

hm?

[jade stone]

What are you making

[placid cape]

ohhh

its for the voice assistant

i think

[hoary sluice]

voice assistant diploma thesis

@placid cape i think i might learn solana

id love a rust job and like 80% of them are solana

[hoary sluice]

i got the frontend and communication to work

[placid cape]

what is solana

[placid cape]

niceee

[hoary sluice]

rust blockchain

[jade stone]

[placid cape]

ohh

[supple whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329174976225607753/1329196183331012678/image.png?ex=678975e9&is=67882469&hm=66b978643fd0111ba48c2b26d90507377f41dfd7203db2ab8df652b4fb9bb61a&

god WASM is fucking useless for perf

[jade stone]

The next language I will learn will be PowerShell

[fallen nebula]

It's a cool one but bash is superior

[spark tiger]

i personally hate how long the names of most of the functions are

[fleet cedar]

I think the Single-KebabCamelCase is stupid

[spark tiger]

yeah this too

takes too much time too type

it sucks so much that basically the only two shells that are on windows (cmd & pwsh) are both not good enough for me

[frosty obsidian]

you can technically use git bash or wsl, but yeah outside of cmd and pwsh theres nothing designed specifically for windows

[spark tiger]

i tried using bash via msys2 but its package repository lacks of bunch of stuff and i'm not sure you can use others as i think the uh apps need to be compiled in some way so they are compatible with msys2(?)

will stick with wsl prolly

but it always consuming 1.5gb of ram is kinda meh

also i found that https://fishshell.com mentions this

not sure if it's any good

[frosty obsidian]

i use both cmd with clink and git bash with oh my zsh

clink lets me use the starship prompt and adds autocomplete

[jade stone]

HUSKKKKK
WHY DOES THE VSCODE POWERSHELL EXTENSION HARDCODE THE BINARY PATH

      (unstable.vscode.fhsWithPackages (
        pkgs: with pkgs; [
          powershell
        ]
      ))

[nimble bone]

use sane system

[royal nymph]

you're mad

use better distro where this doesn't happen

🔥

[jade stone]

POWERSHELL HORROR
tl;dr no binary pipes

[ornate quiver]

insane

[jade stone]

"[$(Get-Content $(Get-ChildItem -Path dist -Filter *.json -Name -Recurse | perl -pE 's/^/dist\//'))]" -replace '.{2}$', ']' > .\compile_commands.json

[still jolt]

what is this powershell horror

[jade stone]

i made two, one to download the headers i need to build

the other generates a compile_commands.json

the downloader is the real horror

[still jolt]

I hate how powershell shadows curl with iwr

iwr is so SLOW

[jade stone]

I don't think it does now that curl comes standard

[still jolt]

it does

unless you do full path, curl is an alias to iwr

[jade stone]

I just used powershell and that was real curl

[fleet cedar]

I had to add Remove-Item Alias:\curl to $HOME\Documents\WindowsPowerShell\Microsoft.PowerShell_profile.ps1 to get the real curl

[jade stone]

On my system, I have coreutils installed and I had to put them at the top of the path to get some of them to work

[nimble bone]

rm -rf /*

can you do on windblows

[dense sand]

@hoary sluice can you perhaps help me with LaTeX tables?

im getting this shit everywhere

[hoary sluice]

@dense sand does thas not work?

[dense sand]

well i fixed that problem

i think this is the table issue overall

cause im getting this here

[hoary sluice]

well that one is correct

but it shooldnt be an issue in the others

[dense sand]

imo its caused by the overful hbox of the table itself

[hoary sluice]

oh its 1 single nable?

table

i just noticed

what if you delete everthing besides the first paragraph

[dense sand]

you mean the header row or what

or like this?

it still says overful hbox

[royal nymph]

https://www.overleaf.com/learn/how-to/Understanding_underfull_and_overfull_box_warnings

[dense sand]

oh wow, for some reason adding tabularx package breaks the bibtex

[jade stone]

RM is Powershell Alias

Also I just installed rimraf a while ago because Remove-Item didn't work

[dense sand]

nvm i have skill issue and was closign tag weirdly

[cerulean plover]

you used to be a windows user

[placid cape]

[wooden quail]

hey, does anyone know on how to put a message in the message box so the user can send it?

[royal nymph]

look at any plugin that does that

[placid cape]

im going skiing next week so i won't be able to work on blom :(

[dense sand]

https://youtube.com/shorts/z3wA30Hn1Bs
Madness

[royal nymph]

"to deal with their legacy code"

[dense sand]

The whole channel seems to be a big commedy

[ornate quiver]

estrogen

[green gulch]

Is supabase the best alternative to Firebase currently

[supple whale]

depends on ur needs

pocketbase exists, and doesnt take 6 work days to set up k8s for, instead ~15 mins

but its also proprotionally limited

your API is your database structure, you can create custom query endpoints, but not with insane levels of customization, its also sqlite, so doing external operations on the db sucks, you can do auth levels, but its annoying to implement

tho personally i almost always go with PB, because of the sheer amt of time it saves, its legit 15 mins to have a working database with an api and auth

[green gulch]

alright ill look into it

thanks

[jade stone]

horrid cross-platform makefile

.DEFAULT_GOAL:=all

CSRC=$(shell find src -name '*.c')
COUT=$(patsubst src/%, dist/%, $(CSRC:.c=.o))

CXXSRC=$(shell find src -name '*.cpp')
CXXOUT=$(patsubst src/%, dist/%, $(CXXSRC:.cpp=.o))

export CFLAGS=
export CXXFLAGS=--std=c++2b
FLAGS=-ggdb3 -O0
OUTFILE=dist/libsadan.so
LIBS=
export WINDOWS_SHELL?=pwsh
ifeq ($(OS),Windows_NT)
    powershell_ver=$(shell $(WINDOWS_SHELL) -Command 'if ($$host.version.major -lt 7) { echo "powershell seven is required";exit -1;}')
    ifneq ($(powershell_ver),)
        $(error $(powershell_ver))
    endif
    FLAGS+=-I windowsHeaders -D_WIN32 -D_WIN64
    OUTFILE=dist/libsadan.dll
    CC=clang
    export CC
    CXX=clang++
    export CXX
    LIBS+=-L windowsLibs -llibcef
else
    LIBS+=-lcapstone
endif
export FLAGS
clean:
    rm -r dist || :


all: $(outfiles)
    $(MAKE) $(MAKEFLAGS) -f c.mk
    $(MAKE) $(MAKEFLAGS) -f cpp.mk
    $(CXX) $(FLAGS) $(COUT) $(CXXOUT) -shared -o $(OUTFILE) $(LIBS)
ifeq ($(OS),Windows_NT)
    $(shell $(WINDOWS_SHELL) ./generateCompileCommands.ps1)
endif

[spark tiger]

github is so funny cause

1. why does it label them with “contributor” even though they have merge perms
2. why am i as a regular contributor able to disable auto-merge :/

[ornate quiver]

are you the pr creator?

[spark tiger]

yea

[ornate quiver]

makes sense
if there's some changes you still need to make then of course you'd be able to disable auto merge on your own PR

same result as marking it draft

[spark tiger]

oh you’re right

[still jolt]

what is happening here ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[valid jetty]

namespace Program {
    class Entry {
        public static void Main(string[] args) {
            Console.Write("Enter a string -> ");
            string? res = Console.ReadLine();
 
            Console.WriteLine($"{res} {(IsValid(res) ? "is" : "is not")} valid.");
        }
 
        static bool IsValid(string? value)
        {
            if (value == null || value.Length < 5 || value.Length > 7 || value.ToUpper() != value 
                || value.Distinct().ToArray().Length != value.Length)
            {
                return false;
            }
 
            int sum = value.Select((x) => (int)x).Aggregate((int res, int cur) => res + cur);
            return sum >= 420 && sum <= 600;
        }
    }
}
``` i wrote this code during an exam lmfao

insane

[dense sand]

Peak c#

[hoary sluice]

LETS GOO

new kb

[hoary sluice]

randoms on scribble cant guess ac/dc from that

[still jolt]

also wouldn't've been able to guess ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[spark tiger]

@woven mesa @native spruce hi sorry can any of you help me understand the way this twitter mod for ios works? i found about some neofreebird and was trying to understand how it works but got kinda confused. the patch-it-yourself md file says to just drag and drop Patches folder into extracted decompiled IPA file. how, how does it even work. like the only files in the repo i could find are mostly assets or loc strings and this nib file

[woven mesa]

nearly said the cat sound

scary

[woven mesa]

they seem to just be patching compiled assets

[spark tiger]

but the mod definitely has some code or whatever

[woven mesa]

they just inject bhtwitter as part of the ipa reassembly

yeah nothing crazy

just unzip, replace assets, zip

then inject tweak and install

[spark tiger]

oh so this mod itself is just cosmetic?

[native spruce]

yeah that github repo is cosmetic stuff

[spark tiger]

i see thank you both !

i still wonder how one would find out an ipa code. like @woven mesa taught me how to extract headers but what am i supposed to do with it without knowing what it does :/

[native spruce]

the ipas in releases contains it cosmetically "patched" including having bhtwitter injected

the bhtwitter source code isnt in there

but u can find it on another repo online

[dense sand]

Charging money for icon library is wild ngl

[spark tiger]

yeah i got this part. i mean in bhtwitter or in any other mod you can find the %hook something pieces in the source codes but how can i be sure what a specific class and method does in the original ipa (like twitter’s ipa in our case) if we only have the headers without any impl

[native spruce]

people don't have actual code to it xd, its all extracting headers and guesswork

[spark tiger]

ohhh :/

[native spruce]

they could also use stuff like FLEX to see what they need to hook

[spark tiger]

FLEX?

[native spruce]

google it

flex ios

[spark tiger]

k mb

flex looks very powerful thanks

[woven mesa]

apple >>>

[ornate quiver]

love

[frosty obsidian]

it takes quite a bit of work to make a ton of icons

i don't think its unreasonable to charge for it

[dense sand]

yes, but 50 bucks is kinda overkill ngl

given we have something like lucide already

[frosty obsidian]

its 5000 icons

as someone that's made icons before its a huge undertaking

especially if it needs to be part of a set

[dense sand]

By the way, in react, is there any way to just store index to some element in array instead of storing the object itself?

[ornate quiver]

wha

[ivory heath]

Isn’t react just JS? Why can’t you just do that in a array or am I stupid?

[hoary sluice]

wrong, a real java project would have

class Authentication
class FailedAuthentication extends Authentication
class SuccessfulAuthentication extends Authentication
class AuthenticationRequest extents Authentication
class AuthenticationBuilder

[hoary sluice]

just store the index?

whats the question

[dense sand]

wait im probably stupid af

lmao

so i can have defaultValue={currentSlide !== undefined ? presentation.slides[currentSlide].html : ""}
given currentSlide is a number | undefined

oh it works

nice

i dont know why it didnt before

[valid jetty]

i was gonna say to get rid of the !== undefined

[dense sand]

it would fail if 0

[valid jetty]

then i remembered undefined, null, and false all coalesce to 0

yeah

then i had the idea to make the condition typeof currentSlide === “number” which i guess is very slightly better than what you have but literally pointless

[dense sand]

yea but i mean i dont think the readability would really improve a lot

[valid jetty]

yeah

[dense sand]

wow use transition is so useful

[valid jetty]

useEstrogen

@deep mulch

[dense sand]

bruh

[native spruce]

@woven mesa how does appstorage work

[woven mesa]

bad property wrapper for storing userdefaults

[native spruce]

i read online but it doesnt give me the big picture

[woven mesa]

sometimes useful

does not trigger view update across all uses of the property wrapper

[native spruce]

why is it bad

a

[woven mesa]

also hiii

[native spruce]

hiii

[native spruce]

how would I do settings then

[woven mesa]

using user defaults but carefully

[native spruce]

[woven mesa]

or actually

[native spruce]

the property wrapper seems good for updating the ui tho

idk

[woven mesa]

is up to you

do u wanna use appstoragw directly in your views

if yes then go for it

just don’t use the key for appstorage many times in your app and also hope that whatever uses it doesn’t update it

else they will desync

[native spruce]

they can desync??

[woven mesa]

the other option is using a viewmodel

[native spruce]

what happens then

[woven mesa]

new content overrides old one regardless of current state

bc state was outdated to begin with

because the property wrapper doesn’t automatically update ui when its changed from elsewhere

i can write an alternative to appstorage if you want

[native spruce]

maybe I can find a package for it

[woven mesa]

true

[native spruce]

other people probably had this issue

[woven mesa]

true

[winged mantle]

i acidentally deleted several workspaces because alt+delete is used to delete things in jetbrains and alt+delete is also used to delete workspaces in xfce

[royal nymph]

love

[winged mantle]

xfce gang

xfce also takes alt+click used to mark unread messages on discord

it's for dragging windows

also fun xfce fact

the themes are encoded as c

[valid jetty]

lmao wtf

[winged mantle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap

@nimble bone you love

[nimble bone]

INSANE

[foggy edge]

yo

am i allowed to ask for help with making a plugin here or nah

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🧩-plugin-development

(Auto-response invoked by @nimble bone)

[foggy edge]

Yeah i cant go there

i can but

i cant talk

so

[nimble bone]

v+ prog

now you can talk

[foggy edge]

thanks

[hoary sluice]

gm

[hoary sluice]

why do i not have that role

[placid cape]

gmm

[hoary sluice]

https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft/113844880427845714

[pearl stag]

nixCraft 🐧 ([e-mail])

It is official now. TikTok faces ban in US by Sunday after Supreme Court rejects appeal https://www.bbc.com/news/live/czj37xe7jljt Under the terms of the law, service provides like Apple and Google will be penalized for supporting TikTok after the law's deadline. In other words, app will gone from the Play or App store and automatically deleted from users phone? It is not clear but Apple and Google have full control over your device for sure to remove TikTok App.

Mastodon · Jan 17, 2025, 5:30 PM

[viscid grove]

whoa tiktok is actually getting banned in us?

[hoary sluice]

well theres nothing they can do to actually ban it but the average person wont have tiktok anymore yea

maybe gen alpha isnt fucked after all

altho theres still yt shorts and reels

[viscid grove]

you mean like with vpns?

or will the website still work, just the app gets deleted

[hoary sluice]

vpns, sideloading, grapheneos

they aint deleting shit from grapheneos

[spark tiger]

nooooo

[dense sand]

the world we live in

horrible their docker exmaple doesnt even use app router

[nimble bone]

hop off reactjs slop

[dense sand]

never

what else should i use

my teacher is trying to convince me to use laravel

[nimble bone]

http://vanilla-js.com/

[dense sand]

whats the difference between this and not using anything

[nimble bone]

exactly

[dense sand]

no but like why should i download this library instead of just using pure dom

please expplain

[placid cape]

yes, but when you compare the comments under an instagram post and a tiktok video, you'll see that tiktok's user base is full of stupid people

[dense sand]

wait why is the file empty 😭

madness

[cerulean plover]

[dense sand]

you know, the best option is to not use any

[cerulean plover]

do you need me to seriously explain

[dense sand]

so this whole library is just a joke to use regular dom

[cerulean plover]

THERE IS NO LIBRARY

[dense sand]

yea i mean

its advertised as framework

is the dom the framework

i must be completely stupid

[cerulean plover]

it's raw api

if you want to use that you can

and that is the point

but doing so is actually quite insane

i should make my own framework

[dense sand]

based on react?

[dense sand]

lets integrate jsx to java

please

like inline jsx

[cerulean plover]

we should port ore-ui to java

[dense sand]

not some ass template library

[dense sand]

im not sure how to extend the parser tho

i guess antlr4 could do it

that would be cool as fuck tho

[nimble bone]

for all my projects i used vanilla js

so good

[cerulean plover]

surely you made at least some abstraction

[nimble bone]

nop

just good old document.querySelector

[hoary sluice]

what the fuck

[pallid sierra]

For real what the fuck is that you just send make no sense bro

Sorry if I wait a bit rude

Mv

Mb*

[hoary sluice]

duolingo stock went up after tiktok ban

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/tiktok-refugees-turning-to-rednote-are-rushing-to-learn-mandarin-on-duolingo/ar-AA1xqDw0

number of mandarin learners on duo went up 216% and stock went up 10%

[pallid sierra]

So what does that mean

[balmy lintel]

i love talking about stocks in progaming

[dense sand]

can someone here use antlr4?

[hoary sluice]

tiktok is getting banned in america so people are learning chinese to use chinese tiktok

or something

[valid jetty]

isnt that like a premade parser

that you supply rules to

[dense sand]

well yes, i dont want to write my own parser for the whole fucking java language

[valid jetty]

do it

[dense sand]

no

its too much

[hoary sluice]

why are you making a java parser

[dense sand]

im not making a java parser

[valid jetty]

do it

[dense sand]

the grammar is premade

jsxElement
    : '<' jsxFragmentName jsxAttributes? '>' jsxContent? '<' '/' jsxFragmentName '>'
    ;

jsxContent
    : jsxElement+
    | literal
    ;

im simply trying to add jsx to java, but it doesnt work for 2+ elements 😭

oh wait i think i found the problem

yooo its working lmao 😭

[fleet cedar]

Oh so you need jsx for c++ interop

Makes sense

[valid jetty]

mental illness

[dense sand]

😭

[placid cape]

Not that hard

Java has normal syntax

But understandable

[valid jetty]

@placid cape look at this syntax lol

use std/prelude;

fn count_maximum<T>(T[] nums) {
    let pos = T neg;

    for num in nums {
        if num < 0 { neg += 1; }
        if num > 0 { pos += 1; }
    }

    return math::max(pos, neg);
}

fn main() {
    $dbg(count_maximum([f32; -2, -1, 0, 0, 1]));
}
``` i dont remember if ive showed you this yet

ignore the [f32; -2, -1, 0, 0, 1] thats irrelevant

but let pos = T neg; is so funny to me

maybe ill introduce x := y as a sugar for let x = y

tha way you can write pos := T neg;

most cursed thing

[dense sand]

i just dont understand why should i write my own parser just to make one silly change in the syntax

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian @ornate quiver you love my homework

[valid jetty]

WHY DO YOU GET FUN HOMEWORK

[deep mulch]

how

@valid jetty hiiiii

[valid jetty]

my homework

[deep mulch]

love

rosie still a beginner

[valid jetty]

yeah apparently

i think i got 100% on my last exam but i havent gotten it back yet

[deep mulch]

i made like a C on my last exam cause professor wants word for word explanation

even though i explained the stuff correctly

[valid jetty]

i think i gave the most 🤓 answer to "What is a subroutine?"

[deep mulch]

nerddd

[valid jetty]

that exam is also when i wrote this

namespace Program {
    class Entry {
        public static void Main(string[] args) {
            Console.Write("Enter a string -> ");
            string? res = Console.ReadLine();
 
            Console.WriteLine($"{res} {(IsValid(res) ? "is" : "is not")} valid.");
        }
 
        static bool IsValid(string? value) {
            if (value == null || value.Length < 5 || value.Length > 7 || value.ToUpper() != value 
                || value.Distinct().ToArray().Length != value.Length) {
                return false;
            }
 
            int sum = value.Select((x) => (int)x).Aggregate((int res, int cur) => res + cur);
            return sum >= 420 && sum <= 600;
        }
    }
}
``` lol

[deep mulch]

about to write the most beauitufl C++ this professor will ever see

[valid jetty]

can you do my homework

[deep mulch]

i wonder if he wil lsay anything if i use Cmake instead of following the course instructions of visual studio to build

nop

[valid jetty]

@deep mulch you are a beginner C# programmer taking a computer science class at school. write a program that satisifies the constraints specified by this image

[deep mulch]

i havent wrote C# in soo long

C# being literally microsoft java is so funny

[valid jetty]

lmao yeah

[deep mulch]

oh rosie my rosie

@valid jetty how do you name your folders

do you use spaces

[valid jetty]

it doesnt work can you try again

[valid jetty]

usually snake case or pascal case

aka either project_name or ProjectName

insane

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty

[valid jetty]

there are also the isolated incidents when i use kebab case but we dont talk about that

[deep mulch]

insanity

[placid cape]

this si weird xd

[placid cape]

[valid jetty]

uhhhh

hyrom

ok idea

[frosty obsidian]

1 minute max

[valid jetty]

actually nvm

[valid jetty]

yeah but im lazy

in walrus operator you cant give the lhs a type that the rhs infers from right

it works like let

[placid cape]

real

make the most cursed code

With reflections and other shit

[deep mulch]

wing is like a little baby

[frosty obsidian]

most of that minute would be getting the build system warmed up

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian will do C

[valid jetty]

which means i can do this assumption right

if self.current_token().kind == TokenKind::Colon {
    if r#type.clone().is_none_or(|ty| !ty.is_infer()) {
        panic!("{}", location.error("Cannot use the walrus operator (:=) to declare a variable with a non-inferred type."));
    }

    self.advance();
}

is this a thing i should do

[hoary sluice]

uhmm what if the employee earns 0.1 dollars today and 0.2 dollars tomorrow??? were gonna pay him 3.0000000000000004 dollars

[frosty obsidian]

i probably should learn C or Rust at some point

[deep mulch]

C

at least

@valid jetty hiiii

[valid jetty]

@placid cape is this sane

so that you dont do i32 x := 1

[hoary sluice]

depends on lang

[valid jetty]

when you can just do i32 x = 1

[placid cape]

yea

that's good

[valid jetty]

ok cool

[hoary sluice]

in vhdl := is signal / port declaration

initialization*

[ornate quiver]

husk

[deep mulch]

wing has so much to learn

[frosty obsidian]

zeets homework is make a quantum computer and rosies is write a class

[valid jetty]

what is this language 😭

[deep mulch]

debug

[frosty obsidian]

penis operator

go reference

[deep mulch]

:

[ornate quiver]

@valid jetty you should rename it to penis operator

[frosty obsidian]

i don't think this should be a compiler error tbh

[deep mulch]

yop

[frosty obsidian]

i would make it a warning

[valid jetty]

let me make what im trying to accomplish clear

[nimble bone]

|
_

[frosty obsidian]

i was also thinking about that exact message

lol

[nimble bone]

wing operator

[hoary sluice]

i have never written c# before:

class Employee {
  String FirstName = "";
  String LastName = "";
  Double Salary = 0.0;

  Employee(String _FirstName, String _LastName, Double _Salary) {
    FirstName = _FirstName;
    LastName = _LastName;
    Salary = _Salary;
  }

  String getFirstname() {
    return FirstName;
  }

  String getLastname() {
    return LastName;
  }

  String getMonthlySalary() {
    return Salary;
  }
}

class Main {
  void Main() {
    Employee a = new Employee("a", "a", 1.0); // (hes poor)
    Employee b = new Employee("b", "b", 99999999999999999.9); // (hes the ceo)
    Console.WriteLine(a);
    Console.WriteLine(a);
    a.Salary *= 1.1;
    b.Salary *= 1.1;
    Console.WriteLine(a);
    Console.WriteLine(a);
  }
}

[frosty obsidian]

there is actually a unicode frog character

[nimble bone]

wrong

only frog is

[frosty obsidian]

a language could technically have a frog operator

[valid jetty]

woa its like magic

it knows the variable name

[nimble bone]

you can do custom operators in swift

[hoary sluice]

why is this not allowed

[nimble bone]

i think they can have emojis

[valid jetty]

i will declare wing explicitly

[frosty obsidian]

you can do that in kotlin too

[nimble bone]

copied from apple…

[frosty obsidian]

just with backticks

[hoary sluice]

@Test
fun `ensure the chart endpoint returns an error if the employee id doesn't exist`() {
}

ptsd

[deep mulch]

husk

[frosty obsidian]

i do that for tests too

i make them actual sentences

[hoary sluice]

i dont write tests 😄

[valid jetty]

holy shit wait that means for i := 0; i < 10; i += 1 YAY

[deep mulch]

// ensure the chart endpoint returns an error if the employee id doesn't exist
@Test
fun testChartEndpoint() {
}

[hoary sluice]

last time i wrote a test was in august where my pm forced me to

[hoary sluice]

wrong

[deep mulch]

your prime minister?

[hoary sluice]

if you run it yuo wont see the comment

[valid jetty]

you can do that in elle too actually lmfao

[hoary sluice]

project manager

[deep mulch]

i hold wing near and dear to me

[frosty obsidian]

https://github.com/wingio/syntakts/blob/main/syntakts-core%2Fsrc%2FcommonTest%2Fkotlin%2FSyntaktsTest.kt#L19-L24

[pearl stag]

syntakts-core/src/commonTest/kotlin/SyntaktsTest.kt: Lines 19-24

@Test
fun `Parse text with markdown`() {
    val parsedNodes = MarkdownSyntakts.parse(sampleText)
    assert(parsedNodes.isNotEmpty())
    assert(parsedNodes.any { it is StyleNode })
}

[hoary sluice]

for i in 0..9
```:

[deep mulch]

hate

[valid jetty]

you cant explicitly declare it with spaces because the IR doesnt like it but you can do this

[hoary sluice]

test are objectively evil

[frosty obsidian]

thats pretty standard practice for tests

[valid jetty]

you can do that too dont worry

i have an idea

[hoary sluice]

running an actual test suite probably costs more that hiring an indian from fiverr

[deep mulch]

wing is an indian from fiverr

[valid jetty]

what if i get rid of the external keyword and assume its external if you put ; instead of the body of the function

@hoary sluice @placid cape opinions

[deep mulch]

no

[hoary sluice]

what is external

[placid cape]

no

mess

[deep mulch]

more confusing

[valid jetty]

it basically lets you use the function subject to its interface without ever checking if the function ever has a body (ie if it doesnt itll throw a linking error, it lets you link with objects and libs)

[valid jetty]

fair

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty you will allow importing headers

[valid jetty]

C headers?

[deep mulch]

automatic c interop generation

[valid jetty]

elle already does that tho

oh

[deep mulch]

how

[deep mulch]

so you d ont need to define stubs like this

[valid jetty]

most stdlib things are just headers

use std/libc/mem;
global pub;

// used to force stack allocated pointers to be pushed to the stack
// and not be optimized into registers so that the GC can detect
// them as a root when scanning the stack for valid roots
external fn __internal_gc_noop(void *x);

namespace GCAllocator; // entirely opaque

external fn GCAllocator::new() -> GCAllocator *;
external fn GCAllocator::mark(GCAllocator *self);
external fn GCAllocator::sweep(GCAllocator *self);
external fn GCAllocator::collect(GCAllocator *self);
external fn GCAllocator::alloc(GCAllocator *self, i32 size) -> void *;
external fn GCAllocator::realloc(GCAllocator *self, void *ptr, i32 new_size) -> void *;
external fn GCAllocator::free_self(GCAllocator *self);

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty elle

[valid jetty]

the impl is in a runtime static lib linked with the file

[deep mulch]

wtf

why is my code using tab indent

[valid jetty]

you can technically do that already

just not with generic functions

[deep mulch]

the rosie rot

[valid jetty]

like i could do this

// eat.le
use std/io;

pub fn eat(string food) {
    $printf("Ate {} !!", food);
}

$ ellec eat.le -c -nostd generates eat.o

// main.le
use std/prelude;
external fn eat(string food) @alias("eat food");

fn main() {
    `eat food`("strawberry");
}

$ ellec main.le eat.o

and ofc you could put the external decl in another file

[deep mulch]

Elle JVM

do

[valid jetty]

tuple init is actually just a lie lol

fn Tuple::new<T, U>(T x, U y) {
    let tuple = #alloc(Tuple<T, U>);

    tuple.x = x;
    tuple.y = y;

    return tuple;
}

external fn Tuple::new<T, U>(T x, U y) @alias("$") -> (T, U);

so you can do $(x, y) in your code instead of Tuple::new(x, y) like in kotlin

[valid jetty]

never

garbage collection is as deranged as ill go

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin just has a to infix function

its the preferred way to make a pair

[valid jetty]

yeah i know but still silly

[frosty obsidian]

i mean its useful for creating maps

[valid jetty]

oh i see

maybe i should steal that

[frosty obsidian]

val map = mapOf(
    "John" to 21,
    "Mary" to 24
)

[valid jetty]

this is how you do it in elle

wow this does not look like a low level language anymore

nyaboom~7

[frosty obsidian]

that is interesting syntax

[valid jetty]

it works like this

// first_key, first_value are to infer T and U
fn HashMap::with_entries<T, U>(ElleMeta meta, T first_key, U first_value, ...args) -> HashMap<T, U> * {
    let map = HashMap::with_capacity(4);
    map[first_key] = first_value;

    // subtract the first_key and first_value;
    for let i = 0; i < meta.arity - 2; i += 2 {
        T key = args.yield(T);
        U value = args.yield(U);

        map[key] = value;
    }

    return map;
}

if you want to make an empty HashMap you can just use HashMap::new

its safe to assume if youre using with_entries youll want at least 1 entry inside

so you can use that to infer T and U

[frosty obsidian]

kotlin lets you use mapOf without any arguments but you need to specify the types

it just makes an empty map under the hood

[valid jetty]

thats where you would use HashMap::new yea, elle has no function overloading tho

[frosty obsidian]

val map = mapOf<String, Int>()

you probably wouldn't realistically do that since mapOf returns a read-only map

[deep mulch]

add

[frosty obsidian]

we can also just do HashMap()

[valid jetty]

shrug

[frosty obsidian]

its just not whats usually done

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian hi

wing hates me

[frosty obsidian]

hi

[valid jetty]

the inference capibilities of this is pretty fun i think

fn HashMap::new<T, U>() -> HashMap<T, U> * {
    return HashMap::with_capacity(4);
}

for the record with_capacity also accepts T and U

[deep mulch]

is that minky

[frosty obsidian]

is it

[deep mulch]

idk

[frosty obsidian]

is minky on chinese social media

[deep mulch]

yes

[valid jetty]

xiaohongshu

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian

https://github.com/wgpu4k/wgpu4k/releases/tag/0.0.1

[frosty obsidian]

ugly pfp

[deep mulch]

you love

[frosty obsidian]

babys first graphic design

[deep mulch]

wing is like a little baby

[hoary sluice]

they are messing up kotlin

it was good as a java replacement

now theyre taking it too far

[fleet cedar]

Anything with kotlin native or whatever is just nonsense

[hoary sluice]

kotlin should only be used for spring boot in mid size non it company frontends

and aoc

[deep mulch]

nop

[fleet cedar]

It should be used in any situation where you're forced to write for jvm and never if you do not have that restriction

I.e. android or mc

[deep mulch]

nop

[valid jetty]

slay

[fleet cedar]

Usually .fill would only replace already populated entries, why does this one set len=cap

[winged mantle]

add support for inline json

and inline xml too why not

[valid jetty]

oh hm

[winged mantle]

ellex

[deep mulch]

Elle will be a makeup language

markup

[valid jetty]

idk i just did what i assumed a fill method would do

fn Array::fill<T>(T[] self, T element) {
    self.size = self.capacity;
    for i := 0; i < self.capacity; i += 1 {
        self[i] = element;
    }

    return self;
}

[hoary sluice]

you are not forced to write java for android

you can use rust for that

or qt

anything else is evil

[valid jetty]

idk

[hoary sluice]

qt is so well made it outshines the fact that it uses c++

[fleet cedar]

Oh

Js is weird

[frosty obsidian]

ndk sucks ass I'm sorry

[winged mantle]

qt's icon loader on the other hand

[ivory heath]

all of plasma is made with QT and both are made by the same people OFC its good

[winged mantle]

qt is made by the qt company

not kde ev

[frosty obsidian]

theres a reason only games use the ndk

[winged mantle]

but it is open source

[frosty obsidian]

and a few libraries

[hoary sluice]

wdym

[winged mantle]

i remember some jank

[hoary sluice]

last time i tried writing android in kotlin everything was broken and nothing worked and there was a lot of xml

[winged mantle]

if you change the icon pack so you can have custom icons it can sometimes cause dark icons on black for builtin icons

[hoary sluice]

qt creator could use some work

they have shit vim integration

[frosty obsidian]

xml is used by the view system

which google doesn't want you to use anymore

[hoary sluice]

never used custom icons

[frosty obsidian]

google wants you to use compose

or flutter

[winged mantle]

i guess the correct thing to do would be to replace every single standard icon

[frosty obsidian]

but they push compose more

[winged mantle]

but then it would make the folders in the file picker different

[hoary sluice]

i was doing that when the compose migration was happening

everything was falling apart

[frosty obsidian]

I've never experienced the issues you seem to be describing

[nimble bone]

jokes on you i use xml views

google shivers at this

[hoary sluice]

basically i wrote a drone controller in the old android without jetpack compose, then i updated android studio and it wanted everything with jetpack compose and everything just broke and i couldnt fix it so i rewrote it in godot

[frosty obsidian]

yeah no idea what you're talking about

i haven't seen any forced migration

[hoary sluice]

we need to use apache cordova

[frosty obsidian]

they just moved the compose project templates to the top

[hoary sluice]

it probably wasnt forced but everything suddenly wanted jetpack compose and i had no idea what that was

[frosty obsidian]

im thinking that maybe you just updated android studio but not agp

that incompatibility can be annoying

[hoary sluice]

idk what agp is and i dont remember exactly what i did

also ik i had major issues with permissions

[frosty obsidian]

agp is android gradle plugin

[hoary sluice]

and that i never want to write mobile apps

email leaked

[frosty obsidian]

that can be a bit annoying yeah

i don't usually deal with special permissions often though

[valid jetty]

you can literally git clone any of my repos and find it tho

[frosty obsidian]

im assuming it was bluetooth permission being weird for you

[hoary sluice]

why not protonmail

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian

[hoary sluice]

yes

[valid jetty]

idk

[hoary sluice]

ended up using wifi

[deep mulch]

I've been using proton mail but the free plan kinda sucks though

[frosty obsidian]

yeah bluetooth stuff can be annoying

[hoary sluice]

well not wifi but http lol

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian

your walls are full of asbestos

[frosty obsidian]

yop

asked the builders to use asbestos so that i can sue them later

[dense sand]

NTM REFERENCE LETS GOOO

[cerulean plover]

yummy

[dense sand]

breeding reactor

[hoary sluice]

who tf came up with this

you can only ctrl s to save while in insert mode

in qt creator

[dense sand]

<esc>:w brother

[hoary sluice]

thats slower

@valid jetty how do u do read full commit

[valid jetty]

do git commit instead of git commit -m

the lines under the first line go into the "full commit" part

my most recent commit looks like this

[hoary sluice]

ok ty

[deep mulch]

*penis operator

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/40869

[placid cape]

💀

[dawn ledge]

the real penis operator is eigth equal d

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty please call it the penis operator in elle

[ornate quiver]

yop

[valid jetty]

it would be really funny but elle is not a toy language its something i wanna actually put on my CV or whatever

and having a penis operator in the language isnt the best look when i wanna use the project to potentially help me get hired

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/71320

what is the point

0 inequality operator when i if err {}

[placid cape]

JavaScript

[valid jetty]

in elle you can if x

[dawn ledge]

rust could never

[valid jetty]

you can do that in rust tho

but i meant go style

err, val = do_thing()
if err {}

[dawn ledge]

if err is a bool then yes

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hiii

[hoary sluice]

it literally could and already does??

or u mean if err {}?

[hoary sluice]

cleaner

if they add this i might use go

[ivory heath]

use it always

it forces you to have error handling

zig makes error handling easier but it also makes it easier to forget or defer

so you pass a error 20 functions up the stack with no idea where it came from

[lusty rock]

Hell yeah

Don't ask me why there is too much semicolons at the end of the line

Just because I can

[ornate quiver]

husk formatting

[valid jetty]

what the fuck are you writing

war crimes

[spark tiger]

the error messages are so pretty icl

[runic sundial]

Yeah but Zig has dually linked lists

[ivory heath]

what does that mean

[runic sundial]

A linked list

[ivory heath]

is it a linked list linked to a link list

[runic sundial]

Where each node knows of the next and previous element

[ivory heath]

oh yeah?

its easy to implement in go

[runic sundial]

And java

And c

[ivory heath]

so whats your point my favorite schizo

[runic sundial]

But how about doing it in Rust without boxing

[ivory heath]

literally impossible

[runic sundial]

Yeah but it's also useless

I just like pointing it out

[ivory heath]

ive legit never used a linked list before

who uses them

[runic sundial]

Educational

I have been working on a Minecraft mod using Zig recently

It's feature complete as of today

[ivory heath]

ive been learning vapoursynth

[runic sundial]

The tool I have allows for profiling Minecraft using Tracy

Multiple threads alongside timestamp queries on the gpu

Precision limited by the worst thing imaginable

The system clock

But it's like, within a few tens of nanos

So it's ok

When will computers ship with better clocks?

[ivory heath]

things dont happen on a clock cycle anymore

[runic sundial]

Anyway the next thing I need to do is to figure out how to scream at the AMD GPU driver to tell me what the hardware counters say at at least 1MHz sample rate

[ivory heath]

oh look this line started execution 3 cycles ago

[runic sundial]

Ok

I do not care about their pipelines

I want the time and I want it now

[ivory heath]

damn okay

[runic sundial]

In picos

Zig has u96 values

We can use them

[ivory heath]

why not u128

if youre gonna use BIG numbers anyways?

[runic sundial]

Yes

But it's funnier this way

The cpu needs to suffer

Not the GPU tho

[dusty flax]

.

[ornate quiver]

what for lmao

[runic sundial]

Swag factor

It just has like

u1 through to like what? u1024 or more?

[ornate quiver]

u1 is kinda funny
bool moment

[runic sundial]

Yop

This stuff is rly nice for bit packing

But you also get a fair bit of arithmetic safety, where you like

Can assign a u31 to an i32

But not the other way around

Without explicit casting

[ornate quiver]

im not a fan of casting tbh
like in rust i don't really know what -1i32 as u32 does
it would so much better if there wete something like extension functions that explicitly defined behavior

[runic sundial]

Well yeah

You can

[hoary sluice]

@.zooter.

gm

[spark tiger]

i was expecting 0

[dawn ledge]

yes

[valid jetty]

..?

why

[spark tiger]

i thought it was just gonna set it to the min value

[valid jetty]

-1i32 means all bits set in twos complement

converting to u32 means all bits set in non twos complement

which means all bits set in general so you get the max value

[spark tiger]

ah

thank u

[valid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483141380642963457/1285627445793259613/MrPitusas__-_1835706644275020169.gif

[valid jetty]

it does what you would expect tho

the “as” operator does transmuting on integer to integer basically most of the time

[ornate quiver]

overflow?

[valid jetty]

.

soo yes

converting 3 billion u32 to i32 would give you some negative number i assume because it means the sign bit is set

[valid jetty]

i just realised elle supports unicode substrings

so therefore with that info i want to make my mini language in elle called いちご and make the syntax purely japanese

and that means i can use 「あああ」for quotes and it’ll be fun

i may also introduce wchar as a type which is a code point

maybe

[hoary sluice]

those characters look familias

[valid jetty]

@ornate quiver LMAOO

this is gonna be so fun

[valid jetty]

it means strawberry

ichigo

[hoary sluice]

how did you make it in an hour and 25 minutes

[ornate quiver]

oh god

unicode names

[valid jetty]

it doesn’t do anything

it’s just the readme

[hoary sluice]

feel

https://github.com/IskanderSabirov/TatarCPP/blob/main/Сортировать-итәбез.cpp

oh my god its real https://github.com/xi816/EaPP

[valid jetty]

it’s gonna be beautiful

[dense sand]

does elle support emojis as variable names