🧊-off-topic-iceman-only

[somber leaf]

I love C

[nocturne bough]

Because gcc is gnu compiler

[lapis lava]

Java development is good ig
py/js too
surprisingly rust was good enough
C/++ is nightmare on windows

[nocturne bough]

Not made for windows

[harsh minnow]

lol yeah compiling stuff is awful on windows unless you use visual studio (even more awful)

[lapis lava]

true

[harsh minnow]

and slower

[undone shale]

I love c++. So the solution doesn't work for me either

[noble quest]

As a Linux user I love wal

[quiet ether]

No because on Linux it took me 1 line in terminal with "yes, no" answers after the fact, but took me a bit to get it to work on windows

[lapis lava]

I use code::blocks

[noble quest]

Wal

[nocturne bough]

Same thing applies for visual C++on Linux

[harsh minnow]

git is way slower on windows

[noble quest]

Wsl

[lapis lava]

pb.g code::blocks

[night blaze]

Code::Blocks
Software

Code::Blocks is a free, open-source, cross-platform IDE that supports multiple compilers including GCC, Clang and Visual C++. It is developed in C++ using wxWidgets as the GUI toolkit.⁽¹⁾

Google Knowledge Graph • labsCore • Page 1/81

[harsh minnow]

compiling most languages is way slower on windows

[undone shale]

What was that software called again?

[fallow pawn]

I couldnt imagine myself doing dev on windows tbh

[undone shale]

GTW?

[somber leaf]

What?

[icy grail]

pb.g baltie ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[night blaze]

SGP Systems - Baltie C# 3D Game visual programming teaching ...

Multimedia programming teaching tool for children. It is suitable for beginners who want to understand programming concept and easily create multimedia program ...

Google • labsCore • Page 2/51

[fallow pawn]

seems super awful

[nocturne bough]

How

[lapis lava]

ever since i started coding i coded on windows

[nocturne bough]

I never noticed lag difference

[noble quest]

pc.g nvim

[quiet ether]

Just agreeing with you on GCC on windows vs linux

[lapis lava]

C/++, c#, vb, java, kt, android, batch, py, js

[harsh minnow]

the fact that one of the most common ways to compile stuff on windows is to use a linux subsystem says a lot xd

[lapis lava]

but these days i just ssh to my pi and build there

[pastel void]

jesus...

[undone shale]

But what was that other system called for GCC and stuff like that?

[harsh minnow]

if you have fast internet it's very noticeable

[nocturne bough]

Problem is stuff are made for makefile and gcc

[somber leaf]

I love the HDR 1600 display on my MacBook Pro

[nocturne bough]

Thats why its a issue

[lapis lava]

@winter needle jumpscare

[pastel void]

same here, and any show looks amazing

[harsh minnow]

because those are objectively the best way to compile stuff

[nocturne bough]

Hmm

[winter needle]

cmake + llvm toolchain makes it easy to build on windows

[nocturne bough]

Possible

[somber leaf]

Not everything support LLVM

[winter needle]

true

[harsh minnow]

git clone on windows ways takes at least like 2-5 seconds

[lapis lava]

isn't this normal?

[harsh minnow]

if you have fast internet you can have nearly instant clone on linux

[nocturne bough]

Wrong Visual C++ easier

You just import and press one button

[deft jewel]

@lapis lava jumpscare

[lapis lava]

wrong Mantikafasi

[deft jewel]

right mantikafasi

[somber leaf]

I love LLVM tho

[undone shale]

You cannot say makefile is the objectivly the best way to compile stuff I have nightmares making my own makefiles 😭

[magic root]

solution: don't do windows dev

[deft jewel]

nin0 boo

[nocturne bough]

I never compiled anything om Linux without 3 billion errors

[fallow pawn]

I love making makefiles

[magic root]

i like perl

best way

[winter needle]

i hate makefiles

[nocturne bough]

Always some missing dependency

[magic root]

perl ftw

[somber leaf]

Cmake makes me want to end myself

[harsh minnow]

why would u write such files manually

[fallow pawn]

i am a makefile developer

[nocturne bough]

make is just a mess

[harsh minnow]

use clion or similar ide

and make it manage ur cmake file

[bronze nebula]

love premake

[icy grail]

isn't CLion paid ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[undone shale]

Operative system development

[magic root]

this

[somber leaf]

Free for FOSS devs

[lapis lava]

I pirate

[magic root]

just use perl scripts to compile

[icy grail]

good boy

[magic root]

literally so easy

[harsh minnow]

1. free for floss devs
2. 🏴‍☠️
3. simply be a student

[lapis lava]

not sure if vdenhanced would qualify as oss project

[somber leaf]

I just use gcc directly /j

[fallow pawn]

floss

[pastel void]

:)

[harsh minnow]

yes actually

[icy grail]

lc.define floss

[night blaze]

<:i:1165257374664249484> floss flɒs

verb

1. clean between (one's teeth) with dental floss.

2. behave in a flamboyant manner; show off.

labsCore • Page 2/2

[lapis lava]

interesting

[magic root]

i would like to see your bash history

[harsh minnow]

there is no popularity requirement

just an active and serious floss project

[undone shale]

Tbh not a solution for me with some of the black magic I've done. But cmake is a lot more manageable for me to use anyways

[somber leaf]

It’s mostly CD and encoding with Av1an rn.

[harsh minnow]

honestly just dont code C/C--

[magic root]

if you cd a lot take a look at z

[harsh minnow]

terrible

use go or rust or smth else that's good

[icy grail]

javascript

:3

[somber leaf]

I use C in go for performance

[magic root]

i loves c

[nocturne bough]

THATS NOT A ISSUE you need to compile a program sometimes

[magic root]

c++ is horrible

[undone shale]

I would use that but it's no challenge so it's not as fun

[magic root]

i hate go

[nocturne bough]

PAINNN

[icy grail]

go away

[somber leaf]

I hate you too.

[winter needle]

i hate go

[icy grail]

< doesn't know golang

[harsh minnow]

[nocturne bough]

We hate you too

[nocturne bough]

You are deranged you dont count

[magic root]

@somber leaf https://github.com/ajeetdsouza/zoxide

[undone shale]

Vee for serious projects I actually use good programming languages though

[somber leaf]

Go was literally made for idiots

[magic root]

thanks

better together

[icy grail]

http://vanilla-js.com/ ? ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[magic root]

golang is objectively a half assed language

very mid

[somber leaf]

I might try

[winter needle]

yop

[undone shale]

C# or Rust

[lapis lava]

golang good for servers

[magic root]

it's extremely convenient

[nocturne bough]

Right you should use a language like C which doesnt even have string split method

For smart people

[undone shale]

I love Fubuki

[magic root]

that's clojure or rust

never golang

[somber leaf]

I’ve implemented that at least 12 times myself. All ENTIRELY unsafe mind you

[undone shale]

Betas the problem with golang?

[magic root]

how 2 pipeline if already girl

[nocturne bough]

Awful

[magic root]

what does this mean

[nocturne bough]

Who would like to do that

[undone shale]

Whats the problem with golang?

[magic root]

very bad

[undone shale]

Why?

[lapis lava]

Hop on Rust

[fallow pawn]

hop on swift

[icy grail]

no

[boreal torrent]

I love C

[icy grail]

hop on js or bash

[magic root]

has mf seen the package management system there

[boreal torrent]

why bash

[icy grail]

you can do almost everything with bash ;p

[fallow pawn]

bash script "developers"

[nocturne bough]

Only bad things I can think is
Error handling

[lapis lava]

yop

[crisp finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811255667469582420/976854999189553153/ezgif-5-76ff67c6d8.gif

[boreal torrent]

ik

[magic root]

everytime a programming language gets mentioned and someone says "x is bad/good" yk it's going to get heated

[nocturne bough]

Also import system is a bit weird

[boreal torrent]

just not optimal for a lot of things

[fallow pawn]

hop on apple script

[icy grail]

rust "developers"

[lapis lava]

such as backup system that .tar all docker volumes, splits in 1.5gb files and sends to a telegram webhook (bash)

[magic root]

you can barely do anything with bash unless you depend on external binaries

[lapis lava]

#BashIsRealDev

[icy grail]

„developers”

[boreal torrent]

MY CAT IS GETTING INSIDE THE WARDROBE

[undone shale]

I have heard stuff about it. But it its really good for just quickly pumping out shit code for something you need done quick and dirty.

[magic root]

yall are cheating if you say bash can do anything

[somber leaf]

Slow, poor memory management being GC based, missing a lot of syntactical sugar making things sometimes annoying to implement.

[boreal torrent]

I gotta get him out of it

[winter needle]

go devs in a nutshell
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1ddkcge/comment/l85fqau

[icy grail]

or splits 80 MB into 20 byte files ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[fallow pawn]

bash on windows

[magic root]

golang stdlib is horrible

[lapis lava]

1 billion files

[harsh minnow]

/run ```go
package main

// #include <stdio.h>
//
// int cmain() {
// printf("Real ones use the Go compiler to build their C project!\n");
// return 0;
// }
import "C"

func main() {
C.cmain()
}

[icy grail]

if you don't know how to do anything in bash that's a you problem

[hollow flume]

Your go(1.16.2) code ran without output @harsh minnow

[harsh minnow]

what

fake

[lapis lava]

🚀

[somber leaf]

I DO

[nocturne bough]

Slow, poor memory management???

[crude fern]

very shite rn

[crisp finch]

my favorite feature

[crude fern]

i am exausted tho

[nocturne bough]

It has gc yeah but it doesnt automaticly make it bad

[crude fern]

ill make it better later

but

here you go

[crisp finch]

hi exausted tho

[icy grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1024286218801926184/1244302686308929606/togif.gif

[lapis lava]

Python has gc and it's one of best langs

[magic root]

no like try doing something useful in bash without netcat or sed and shit

[icy grail]

my fav feature

[lapis lava]

that's because you run bash scripts on a linux env

smh

[icy grail]

yeah? why not use sed?

or tr

or awk

or grep

[magic root]

because it's not vanilla bash

[lapis lava]

roz is bash pro

[icy grail]

and

[somber leaf]

It does not Handel repeated memory allocation very well, usage bloats before go clears it. Go at least does not have a stop the world event for GC like Java.

It is slow because the compiler is meant to be fast and lacks a fuck ton of compiler intrinsics.

[crisp finch]

thanks :<

[lapis lava]

someone made mc library in bash

[harsh minnow]

soda loves yapping nonsense about go

[lapis lava]

proves how good it is

[magic root]

if i was to write a C++ program, compile it, and run it from bash i could also say it's in bash

so

[lapis lava]

chat feels good without nix yapping

[crude fern]

turned out worse than i wanted to

[icy grail]

no

[boreal torrent]

Go is as fast as fuck

[harsh minnow]

it's very fast compared to other languages of equal simplicity and fast enough for 99.9% of purposes

[somber leaf]

This isn’t nonsense it’s a measurable performance difference. We both agree tho that’s usually it does not matter. For me it does.

[crude fern]

but i do not have any energy to make it centered and shit

[crisp finch]

my eyes why does it have to flicker so much

[crude fern]

@somber leaf keep yapping please

it is very enjoyable

:3

[magic root]

my eyes is that windows

[crisp finch]

hsr and league don't work on linux so yes

[somber leaf]

People use JS on the back end for FFS go is fine there.

[crisp finch]

and ahk doesn't work on linux too

[nocturne bough]

I am going to sleep enough language arguing today
At the end only my opinion matters and that is go good

[harsh minnow]

go's performance is actually very impressive for the simplicity & incredible compile time you get

[undone shale]

I agree. It's good if you want fast code development process without caring too much about performance or other stuff. The development process is just so quick from what I've heard

[noble quest]

I LOVE AHK

[crisp finch]

:3

[magic root]

man i put the window machines on my network into quarantine mode because they are definitely fedding me

[fallow pawn]

i wanna work on stuff but my kitty is sleeping on me i dont wanna disturb him-

[crude fern]

im so tired

[lapis lava]

Ahk sooo good

[crisp finch]

i rather be called a hoe than a man thanks 👍

[crude fern]

i fucked my sleep schedule

[icy grail]

embrace the kitty :3 ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[crude fern]

damnnit

[icy grail]

don't wake em up

[harsh minnow]

for example if you write the same backend in go and nodejs/python, go is so much more performant and lighter while being not much slower to write

[magic root]

hi hoe

[icy grail]

[noble quest]

My first code I ever wrote was in AHK and it was 700 lines because I didn't know what a map was

[icy grail]

given you know go well enough

[crude fern]

i should

i canr

t

[icy grail]

why not

[crisp finch]

right :3333?

[crisp finch]

tf is map?

[open pasture]

2008 toyota corolla

[somber leaf]

Go was built for the server with lots of cores :3

[nocturne bough]

You are comparing one of the worst kind with go but yeah its veerry performant

[noble quest]

I wrote an akh script to write the if statements

[crude fern]

cant yet have stufd to do

[undone shale]

It's harder to learn js well than to learn go well

[magic root]

why does no one know about the wonders of clojure

clojure is everything good about go and none of the bad parts

[crude fern]

everything's leaving traiks in my vision

[noble quest]

Key value pairs

[boreal torrent]

I need to learn Clojure

[harsh minnow]

well those three are some of the most popular backend choices

[boreal torrent]

so much

[icy grail]

eep first, wake up, then do stuff

please

[crisp finch]

that tells me nothing

[nocturne bough]

Fair

[crude fern]

its like a low refresh rate

funny

[undone shale]

What's the 3rd?

[harsh minnow]

i also added python to the mix

[undone shale]

Ah just saw it

[boreal torrent]

The biggest bank in South America

[crude fern]

nuh

cant

[boreal torrent]

uses Clojure in almost everything

[icy grail]

do

[magic root]

clojure has good concurrency, error handling, DX, package management, ecosystem, development times, and compile times

as for the bad parts, probably none

[crude fern]

parents will get upset if i fall asleep

[magic root]

its so good

[harsh minnow]

the most popular backend choices are probably smth like nodejs, python, go, php, java, c#, ruby

go will likely outperform all the others

[undone shale]

Here comes to clojure shills

I will not stand functional programming

[magic root]

rly? damn

[crude fern]

i just need a redbull

[magic root]

clojure has classes and stuff btw

[fallow pawn]

[boreal torrent]

Maybe I should install guix

[rough dome]

you're literally just using knockoff nixos wtf

[magic root]

skul

[undone shale]

Eeeeehhhhhh. C# is a weird one. It can outperform C in some cases. But can also underperform JS

[boreal torrent]

I got to try it

[noble quest]

guix

[rough dome]

you're literally just using knockoff nixos wtf

[magic root]

guix

[boreal torrent]

Such an interesting project

[somber leaf]

Outperform c if you compile with -z on gcc 11

[boreal torrent]

• It's Lisp

Lisp is amazing

[crisp finch]

@noble quest i mostly use ahk for stuff like this

[harsh minnow]

isn't c# vm based

[boreal torrent]

I should go back to Emacs ffs

[harsh minnow]

i think c# is about comparable to java in performance

[undone shale]

Context based optimisation is powerful in CLR

[icy grail]

https://tenor.com/iz46i7IVIAR.gif

[somber leaf]

It’s ms Java. This isn’t a joke

[boreal torrent]

Yes

[boreal torrent]

I say this all time

lmao

[pastel void]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-kitten-kitty-hi-hii-hey-gif-21229532

[magic root]

JVM can be fast, just not with java

[undone shale]

Well yes and no. It supports AOT nowadays as well

[icy grail]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-cat-gif-22139058

[boreal torrent]

If I had to work with C#

[crisp finch]

@noble quest my favorite srcipt :3

Persistent ; keep the script running indefinitely
SetTitleMatchMode(2) ; allow partial matching of window titles

settimer meow, 5000
meow(){
    try{
        if WinExist("Discord")
        {
            ControlSend("meow", ,"Discord")
            ControlSend("{enter}", ,"Discord")
        }
    }
}

[boreal torrent]

I'd just run F#

[noble quest]

I can't see shit

[boreal torrent]

actually I should learn F#

[crisp finch]

i will dm you the whole code if it will fit

[pastel void]

what...

[crude fern]

and more adderall

[keen pike]

ello

[boreal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-hi-greetings-blue-dog-dog-gif-15484848865440809436

[bronze nebula]

omg risu hai

[boreal torrent]

this u @kogcum

@unique wyvern

[icy grail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164562285948313742/1241385648678502522/alabania.gif?=&width=676&height=676

[undone shale]

Tho C# is really powerful. Especially the CLR runtime nowadays. That can do some gods work in optimisation if you have a programmer that knows it's shit

[somber leaf]

Does C# use stop the world GC?

[pastel void]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-feeling-saturday-feeling-gif-9212075645656958375

[fallow pawn]

doesnt work on mac how do

[pastel void]

realest trending gif

[undone shale]

Don't think so

[magic root]

common macOS L

[boreal torrent]

Super+R

[icy grail]

fuck mac

[fallow pawn]

what the fuck is a super

[somber leaf]

Infinitely better than Java than sorry for comparing the two

[boreal torrent]

Cmd+R

i forgot it's called Cmd on Mac

[somber leaf]

Windows key.

[fallow pawn]

yeah I know i just like nitpicking

[boreal torrent]

Say an OS that doesn't suck

that isn't Haiku

[icy grail]

Debian

[lapis lava]

Fedora

[boreal torrent]

Linux L

[undone shale]

Let me ask the super optimiser friend I know

[fallow pawn]

macos

[lapis lava]

ayuxer hates linux

[boreal torrent]

let's be fair

[crisp finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015060231060983891/1247515983111913482/speechmemified_IMG_20240603_074158.gif

[boreal torrent]

Every OS sucks in at least one aspect

[boreal torrent]

There's just better options

[lapis lava]

nop i just didnt know about fedora

[boreal torrent]

I use Linux due to hardware support

[somber leaf]

https://youtu.be/2xMJKh0idYc

[keen pike]

how are you ari

[lapis lava]

then I ran because of debian not working
now i prefer fed

[boreal torrent]

otherwise I'd be running FreeBSD

[unique wyvern]

i’m not blue

[crisp finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854797413951733770/1089266954046550026/attachment-19.gif

[fallow pawn]

want an os that doesn't suck? Hop on windows today!!

[crisp finch]

hi not blue

[icy grail]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-meme-gif-27514290 ​​​​​​​​

dis u

[undone shale]

@somber leaf I have sad news to tell you. The .NET runtime GC has a possibility to do stop the world stuff if necessary

[fallow pawn]

the blue names

[boreal torrent]

want an os that doesn't suck? Destroy your computer and hop on realLifeOS today!!

[somber leaf]

If necessary is better than all the time

[jaunty stag]

real life also sucks sorry

[unique wyvern]

fuck you

[icy grail]

real life os sucks ass

[boreal torrent]

how

[stiff urchin]

"it's actually one of the hardest distros ever"
so true

[undone shale]

This is what my C# friend said. it's very rare to actually get your world stopped unless you wrote unmitigated garbage, but it can happen

[stiff urchin]

what other distro would distribute ancient versions of packages

[fallow pawn]

typing this on a grassy field rn

[boreal torrent]

what type of flower is it

[icy grail]

to anyone that can't parse heic

[pastel void]

hold out 3 fingers or didnt happen

[fallow pawn]

idk

[void ivy]

hello i heard c#

[jaunty stag]

:(

[boreal torrent]

it's 8 PM here zzz

[undone shale]

Fellow C# enjoyer?

[void ivy]

yep

[boreal torrent]

god

[icy grail]

:(

[lapis lava]

tbh C# nice language

[boreal torrent]

I need a laptop

[void ivy]

i write it professionally

[lapis lava]

I use for desktop apps

[boreal torrent]

I'd rather use F#

[somber leaf]

I would use C# if I didn’t drink the go and C coolaid already

[fallow pawn]

do u like flowers

[undone shale]

Do you micro optimise C#?

[boreal torrent]

imperative languages so annoying

[pastel void]

yes

[void ivy]

i know how to but almost never do because there is no point in most cases

[crude fern]

time to drink 3 redbulls

:3

[void ivy]

c# is fast enough as is

[void ivy]

you only need to microoptimise if you actually need the performance for, lets say, rendering

[undone shale]

Do you at least use spans and stuff like that when possible?

[fallow pawn]

heres one for u

[void ivy]

when its needed

[undone shale]

Phew

[pastel void]

<3

[dreamy gale]

who up zlorging they plinkot rn ⁉️ 😼

[somber leaf]

Lewi I NEED my stupidly fast DCTII transforms. You think that thoes sin and cosin are CHEAP?

[void ivy]

!!!!

[undone shale]

I help maintain D#+ and some of the core contributors implements AVX512 intrinsics into the library to save some clock cycles

It's insane there idk how they are still sane

[crude fern]

my dinner is redbull today

:3

[void ivy]

for a discord library there is absolutely no point doing such nastiness

[somber leaf]

Everything must be optimized

[undone shale]

I know. But Aki is such a micro optimiser it's insane

[void ivy]

you will genuinely not benefit from it because the network overhead from discord will kill it lol

[stiff urchin]

ill optimize you

[somber leaf]

Please

[void ivy]

overoptimising and optimising before its needed is a sin

[stiff urchin]

you'll be turned into broken code

[somber leaf]

THANK YOU

[void ivy]

let me see these avx intrinsics

[undone shale]

let me see if I can find them

[glossy eagle]

Hi

[undone shale]

I work on the analyzer

[somber leaf]

https://youtu.be/tKbV6BpH-C8

[void ivy]

alr

[stiff urchin]

premature optimization is my worst fear

[undone shale]

So haven't touched the main code base in ages

[void ivy]

that's the one

[boreal torrent]

why

optimising stuff is fun

[void ivy]

when its necessary yes

[harsh minnow]

premature optimisation makes compilers feel pretty

[stiff urchin]

you should only optimize when it takes 10s+ to do anything in your app

[somber leaf]

Optimizing is useless without real word tests and you’re often better refactoring the whole damn thing or using a different algorithm~

[crude fern]

compiler aftercare

[undone shale]

They are not there yet™️

[harsh minnow]

i had a twitter mutual whose name was premature ejaculation makes girls feel pretty, that statement was in his memory

[icy grail]

oh god

[void ivy]

i look forward to seeing how completely unmaintainable its going to be for a minute gain

[harsh minnow]

my cpu only supports v3

[void ivy]

what are they even going to use it for

[glossy eagle]

Ew why do I hear two times the discord call tone

[jolly gorge]

what vencord plugins add new ui features

[void ivy]

most of them

[icy grail]

oki gn yall ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[bronze nebula]

u wont belueve if i told ya

eepy,,,,

[glossy eagle]

gn nino

[somber leaf]

I love native 8bit support with avx512

[glossy eagle]

rest well

[lapis lava]

gn roz

rozbrajaczpoziomow

[void ivy]

is it not fast enough?

[undone shale]

The ws support in .NET is SHIT

[keen pike]

no way

i can't believe

[void ivy]

if it works on singlethreaded node for large bots then surely on the .net runtime its actually faster

without any optimization work

[somber leaf]

Video codecs and audio benefit greatly from avx512. I think it was around 20% on older versions of SVT

[bronze nebula]

[undone shale]

It's faster. But it's still an unbearable mess to work with from my experience

[void ivy]

idk

this is the type of decision that requires actual data

[crisp finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811255667469582420/976854999189553153/ezgif-5-76ff67c6d8.gif

[void ivy]

is this a reported problem? if you benchmark it, is it actually that critical that it slows down the rest of the app a significant amount? will the optimization benefit provide real world gain? et al, those sorts of questions need to be asked

[undone shale]

Which is why the AVX512 in D#+ is a maybe so far cause no benchmarking is done yet. Aki is sane enough to actually benchmark theories before implementing then

[celest anchor]

is there actually nothing you can do against youtube ads now

[void ivy]

like yes we want our code to be fast but is it worth the maintainability cost

[harsh minnow]

lol this is about microoptimising cpu instructions in a discord library?

[void ivy]

yeah

lol

[harsh minnow]

dumb

your bottleneck is networking man

[sudden sun]

how could you say this instead of me

[harsh minnow]

work on improving the network stack

[void ivy]

like i said earlier the network overhead basically makes all optimisations moot

[celest anchor]

my bottleneck is my brain

[somber leaf]

Energy efficiency. Avx512 is more efficient on zen4

[void ivy]

your best optimisation for a discord library is actually just move it into a north american google cloud datacenter and it'll be significantly faster

[elder geyser]

vencord users when they get into a debate irl and they cant use gifs, call someone a whitename, or block them

[undone shale]

v6 is being made from the scratch up cause v4 and v5 is already barely maintainable cause of a previous maintainer and also the creator

[void ivy]

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-with-considerable-gif-25994702

[sudden sun]

@somber leaf meow

[somber leaf]

Haiii~

[sudden sun]

hii oomfie

[harsh minnow]

doubt? wouldnt it be same as being in frankfurt

[void ivy]

i have actually used d#+ before so i know its a bit

odd

[somber leaf]

How have you been :3

[sudden sun]

ive been playing with my family all day on switch

it was fun

hbu

[somber leaf]

I’m at family rn :<

[void ivy]

eh, in reality the 150ms vs 20ms you get doesnt really matter for a bot, its "quick enough"

[somber leaf]

It’s been okay

[harsh minnow]

yeah lol

[undone shale]

This is why we have people like lunar and Aki who is remaking the whole stick to make it a lot better.

[void ivy]

it was nice having all of my shards run at 18-20ms but it never actually did anything for my bot

it just looked cool in stats

[harsh minnow]

instead of wasting time using some new cpu instructions, they should benchmark all the available websocket and http libraries to see which is the fastest and lightest. much more beneficial

[void ivy]

the networking overhead was still the slowest part, the bot processed and ran its operations with about 1-1.5ms cpu time at most

[somber leaf]

Software encoding all thoes motion vectors is computationally expensive

[undone shale]

When you have people who have the reason of implementing avx512 as also the real question is why wouldnt you there's nothing stupid in micro optimising a discord library lol

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/colon-three-kitty-crumb-cuptoat-heavy-gif-15723533476185307497

[void ivy]

[link premature optimisation video]

[harsh minnow]

if you have stupid people doing stupid things theres nothing stupid in it? 😭

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/headpats-anime-cat-girl-beeg-pats-shake-pats-gif-7464612627661142514

[void ivy]

imagine us microoptimising vencord

[crisp finch]

hi ising vencord

[void ivy]

like thats so pointless because discord is so slow

[undone shale]

If you have insane people doing insane tasks. Let them to do

[harsh minnow]

microoptimising vencord (discord will just become even laggier and even it out)

[void ivy]

hi malwina

[crisp finch]

hi lewi

[somber leaf]

I WILL allocate on the stack and prevent inlining elsewhere to save 2.5% performance

[lapis lava]

Vencord Premium: coming with Betterdiscord plugin loading and micro optimisation!

[rough dome]

no you cant have have betterdiscord and vencord at the same time. you cant have the plugins from one work with the other either

[undone shale]

Some insane person decided to re implement the entire screen sharing API to fix the issues with webrtc and Wayland? Let them do it

[lapis lava]

https://grammarly.com

[void ivy]

the reason why you dont though is it makes it unmaintainable for others

[light cedar]

ai

[void ivy]

like its great and all, your en/decoding stack is now slightly faster with tons of avx512 code

now hand that off to anyone else who hasnt read it before and it takes tons of time to work out how it works

because stuff like that is difficult and wordy to write

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-eto-bleh-anime-bleh-gif-26784876

[void ivy]

you are moving the cost from performance to maintainability/readability

[crisp finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/149143570228445184/1210810279085219880/IMG_7414.gif?ex=666f1732&is=666dc5b2&hm=b7a66ca3dfb1d890d391f3ae42a40b2698f8a8d34314f02bfcf33bbb8640c906&

[undone shale]

Even if it sounds insane to do it. I think it'll actually be decently maintainable in the end cause I trust in the core maintainers ability to make it generally all around maintable. Akis a really clever person in the end and knows what's good.

[somber leaf]

That’s why you have different code paths for different implementations that are used dynamically based off cpu flags that are checked when the library is started.

[somber leaf]

Always keep a C reference

[lapis lava]

PRs became insane to make then

[pastel void]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/149143570228445184/1210810279085219880/IMG_7414.gif

[void ivy]

well if they can make it maintainable then fine, i will look forward to it

[lapis lava]

if code is unmaintainable

[glossy swallow]

i usually microoptimise as long as it's not insane

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-active-muunjuice-baby-snail-frick-gif-22124031

[pastel void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568490575339323402/912115784845762570/caption.gif

[crisp finch]

meow :3

[lapis lava]

i write highly unoptimised code

[harsh minnow]

ah yes because having multiple different paths that all need to be tested individually is the epitome of maintainability

[crisp finch]

you havent seen mine then :3

[undone shale]

Prio number one with v5 and v6 is actually maintable code so yea I bet it'll be it in that case

[crisp finch]

cslolautoactive(){
    try {
        CSlolPID := WinGetPID("ahk_exe cslol-manager.exe")
    } catch {
        CSlolPID := 0
    }
    try {
        blitzPID := WinGetPID("ahk_exe Blitz.exe")
    } catch {
        blitzPID := 0
    }
    try {
        LRlolPID := WinGetPID("ahk_exe cslol-manager.exe")
    } catch {
        LRlolPID := 0
    }
    if WinExist("ahk_exe LeagueClientUx.exe") {
        if !ProcessExist("cslol-manager.exe") {
            Run "C:\Users\malwina\Desktop\cslol-manager\cslol-manager.exe"
            ;Run "C:\Users\malwina\AppData\Local\Programs\Blitz\Blitz.exe"
            run "*RunAs " "C:\Program Files\LeagueRecord\LeagueRecord.exe"
        }
    } else {
        try {
            if CSlolPID > 0 {
                ProcessClose CSlolPID
            }
            if blitzPID > 0 {
                ProcessClose blitzPID
            }
            if LRlolPID > 0 {
                ProcessClose LRlolPID
            }
            }
        }
    }

:33333

[somber leaf]

That’s how it’s actually done in projects where performance matters. And testing is easy using IDEs and integrated build tools.

[undone shale]

This is why we are doing analyzers as well

[void ivy]

well i have had my takes for today

[harsh minnow]

am i going crazy or is the text stretched

it looks so off

[void ivy]

kerning is lower more like

[lapis lava]

nop looks good imo

[void ivy]

doesnt seem stretched, more the letters are just closer together than usual

[obsidian shoal]

it is

[stiff urchin]

.. i forgot how bad font rendering on linux can be

im about to vomit

[harsh minnow]

no its good usually

but this is just awful

[lapis lava]

I just realised how bad this looked

[undone shale]

If you want more insane C# takes pop your head into D#+ and talk with the actual insane micro optimiser there. Actually genuinely some of the most clever people I know

[void ivy]

id rather not xd

i feel like it would just lead to arguments about when its appropriate

[harsh minnow]

oh i fixed it i thjink

[undone shale]

Probably not cause they know when it's appropriate. Or we'll, when premature optimisation is evil rather

[void ivy]

as in

i have extremely differing opinions

i think premature optimisation is always evil

so

[somber leaf]

It always is

[void ivy]

if they think it is sometimes okay then we'll definitely argue about it lol

[noble quest]

It almost looks compressed

[void ivy]

right one is squished

[undone shale]

I do half premature optimisation ig

[void ivy]

left one looks normal

[undone shale]

So I don't really agree

[harsh minnow]

yeah

right one is old

left one is fixed

[void ivy]

kerning?

or

[noble quest]

Yea, that's what I see

[harsh minnow]

i just changed font size from 10 to 11 lol

idk why it was so bad at 10

[undone shale]

But my type of it is "Make the basic application 3 times. Know how you can design it in a optimised way and the 4th time do it right"

Prototyping is my key to optimise in a good manor

[harsh minnow]

its crazy how awful no Antialising looks

why tf is it that way

[stiff urchin]

probably cuz of hinting?

also wild dzi spotted

[modern silo]

manor mentioned

[boreal torrent]

̇.,

the hell is this character

i dont know how i typed it now

[modern silo]

̇

interesting

[boreal torrent]

̇

[void ivy]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/◌̇

punctum delens

[keen pike]

D:

[unique widget]

Why can't I send pics 😦

[rapid aurora]

ok

[boreal torrent]

˛

[rapid aurora]

I hate this day

[swift mauve]

what kind

[boreal torrent]

˛ ̨ ᷎

weird chars

Ą ą Ę ę

[rapid aurora]

you need to say "nevo is the best"

[static wolf]

Alright I’m here to ruin chat

[unique widget]

Hell no

[rapid aurora]

ok no pics perm for you mister

[unique widget]

Any kind the option is just blockef

[static wolf]

How’s everyone’s day goin’?

[keen pike]

nya nya

[keen pike]

fine

[mossy egret]

meow:3

[unique widget]

I'll say it but what's the guarantee that it will be available after

[rapid aurora]

idk gay people things

[glossy swallow]

isn't it a pain to work withg a gigantic codebase with poor performing code everywhere

[static wolf]

I feel like such a goddamn ape whenever I see people talk about coding

[glossy swallow]

programmers look dumb when they argue

[static wolf]

Heck the only thing I know that’s coding related is the fact that my cars fucking dash screen is made in Java

[dire bison]

at what point do you start op5imizing if not from the start

wh3n ur app starts visibly chugging loll

[glossy swallow]

seems like the classic "i'll worry about it later"

[static wolf]

Anyhow and anywho what happened to that one language called rust? Heard mega hype about it and then it kinda died off

[light cedar]

you ever just be so eepy your depth perception starts failing

[dire bison]

it's still around

[static wolf]

Always been one

I couldn’t pass basic fucking math

[static wolf]

I couldn’t pass math 1A whatever the fuck

[rapid aurora]

how

[static wolf]

Was never taught it

[rapid aurora]

o

[static wolf]

That and add in a bit of dyscalculia and you get a major fuckery

Hell yeah glad to know I ain’t the only sucker in this sinking ship

Heck I won’t even be allowed to get a degree if I don’t finish math within the next semester

I haven’t got a passing grade in math since I started school so they just sent me to a professional and got me diagnosed

The professional I got doesn’t even speak Swedish

[rapid aurora]

hello

[static wolf]

Sounds like a good fucking therapist to me though

Never been at a therapist

Well I guess that’s subject to change now when I’m gonna be trialed for military and all that shit

Oh so he’s genuinely in it for the job and not the money?

Surprising honestly

Most people I know whom have been to therapists have just gotten money hungry assholes who neglect their clients

Fucking awesome

I’ve been recommended therapists by the school curators or whatever they’re called

Never really seen a specific nor good reason to see one though

[desert marten]

whats a therapist

[static wolf]

You should go see one

[fallow pawn]

who need

[static wolf]

Seems like a really good plan

I do wish you the best of luck with everything going on, not like the way the worlds changing it’s gonna make things easier on peoples mental health

Dare I say I could even consider myself lucky to be one of the most average dudes on planet earth

[obsidian shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-dancing-monkey-vibing-monkey-jumping-monkey-vibe-check-gif-27025323

https://open.spotify.com/track/2P0viQycMetMJ2Gu5aj4Cr

[static wolf]

Music moment

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/187020781094567936/1166756482977632337/F1C06597-9C75-44F1-A7EE-C4562AF3211D.gif

Shit

[cursive hornet]

I am not ready to be called a Lesbian thanks

[drowsy cypress]

Trap so old gotta run out the house so the roof don’t fall on me

[rapid aurora]

you are even far away than being a lesbian

[harsh minnow]

kinda weird gif

[rapid aurora]

what about this guf

https://tenor.com/view/chuunibyou-anime-couple-anime-couple-cute-gif-13576064

[cursive hornet]

I am very close if you count my target gender

[harsh minnow]

there fixed the gif for ya

[rapid aurora]

no dw I don't count anything

I was gonna say bisexual

[keen pike]

did someone say lesbians

[rapid aurora]

GUYS STOP TALKING ABOUT LESBIANS

read rule 7 Adam will get us

[cursive hornet]

I am here for women and women only.

[rapid aurora]

I'm here for women too
just to know how to avoid them irl

it's working

how

[keen pike]

i'm here for frens

[rapid aurora]

I'm gonna

horribly

pat you

[keen pike]

[light cedar]

Great holes secretly are digged
where earth's pores ought to suffice,
and things have learnt to walk
that ought to crawl.

[rapid aurora]

I want to punch

[fallow pawn]

what

[rapid aurora]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE POOR THING

IS THE CAT OKAY

:(

[fallow pawn]

what does this mean

[fallow pawn]

he got surgery

he needs a cone to not lick his wounds

[rapid aurora]

bweh take care of him

[fallow pawn]

what does it look like im doing smh

im cuddling him

[rapid aurora]

USING DISCORD

[light cedar]

can you make ios a firefox extension

[rapid aurora]

cute

[fallow pawn]

??

[grand crypt]

bro while adding a simple footer to my website I noticed that all my containers are off centered

like it makes sense that I didnt realise as I am not looking at my monitored centered

at a slight angle

[light cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/css-html-computers-coding-programming-gif-22307686

[grand crypt]

but still

[grand crypt]

not css

[light cedar]

damn ur website is pure HTML?

[grand crypt]

At least it wasnt css fault this time

no, solidjs component was finnicky

[fallow pawn]

based honestly

reject dependences and frameworks

[light cedar]

mine is almost as pure as can be

minimal self made css/js

[grand crypt]

What do you guys think so far (I have never written a frontend website)

thats what mui does

[light cedar]

make it skeumorphic

use bootstrap 2

[grand crypt]

that would make no sense

[light cedar]

maybe 3 if you're feeling modern

[grand crypt]

hate bootstrap components

[light cedar]

use nodejs web

[grand crypt]

you people are clinically insane

[light cedar]

yop

[grand crypt]

im not rewriting the entire frontend

react component library

I use a solidjs port tho

suid

[light cedar]

rewrite the frontend in rust wasm 🚀

[grand crypt]

https://suid.io

react

but like

[light cedar]

blazing fast ui 🚀

[grand crypt]

not react

it was for the better that I stopped using ninos raspberry pi, from almost 20 seconds to this is bliss

no fucking idea

kraxen set up the repo

as i said

no fucking idea

wait

ill get you an answer

[lapis lava]

vanilla html/css

best imo

I made entire webapp with it + beercss and turned out well

[grand crypt]

Aka, solidjs is faster than react, but react is more mature

[lapis lava]

yes it was used in production

[lapis lava]

true

[grand crypt]

whatever that fucking means

i dont trust chatgpt

[lapis lava]

I should make a js-free frontend for people that live in fear of technology

[grand crypt]

lc.gemini Is solidjs better than react

[lapis lava]

big nutty disabled

[grand crypt]

damn

[light cedar]

peak

[grand crypt]

for my api, true

[light cedar]

vodkacss when

[lapis lava]

you have good taste in web dev

[grand crypt]

beercss looks good as well

[lapis lava]

anyway time to make my Backup Software in C

++

extremely hardcoded for my own personal needs

[grand crypt]

nino moment

[lapis lava]

I will use cpp because blazing fast 🚀

bash is too insane imo

[grand crypt]

use rust 🚀

[lapis lava]

im learning rust too

but wanna stick with tech I know

?

[grand crypt]

i am not going to learn to code in anything other than ts till I start school 😎

[lapis lava]

should I also make a dashboard for my backup system

[grand crypt]

let me make the dashboard trolley

[light cedar]

what's rustrover

[grand crypt]

KIDDIng

I NEVER WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN

[lapis lava]

jetbrains ide for rust

[boreal torrent]

jetbrains' rust ide

i see no point

[grand crypt]

WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE DEDICATE THEIR JOB TO WRITING FRONTEND SHIT

[lapis lava]

nop

I will make cpp web dash

[light cedar]

how can someone determine if an IDE is used for commercial purposes

[lapis lava]

or api idk

[boreal torrent]

just using vscode/nvim/emacs with rust-analyzer should be enough

[lapis lava]

if they find out they can sue company

[boreal torrent]

#🧊-off-topic-iceman-only message

[light cedar]

lunarvim :D

[lapis lava]

like if it gets known huge company uses

[grand crypt]

i will make frontend to your api

[boreal torrent]

yop

i don't like them

too heavy

[lapis lava]

I'm considering applying for jb license somewhere in the summer (with vdenhanced)

[light cedar]

I used it for mc mod dev

[lapis lava]

when i ship another release 🚀

[boreal torrent]

git integration is awful

and i don't need most features

[lapis lava]

tbh i think jb git integration is best

[light cedar]

it was not great

[lapis lava]

but each has preference

[boreal torrent]

i use it for java/kotlin because it's the best for it

[grand crypt]

I am not a big fan of jetbrains

[boreal torrent]

i always use git cli

zzz

[lapis lava]

I never use git cli

so much i do not know how to commit

[light cedar]

still heaps better than eclipse though

[lapis lava]

was it git commit then it opens vim

why vi.

[boreal torrent]

git commit -m "Message"

[light cedar]

eclipse java ide

[grand crypt]

I use git cli when vscode git client is empty

[lapis lava]

i need nano

[glossy swallow]

i think you can only use the license to develop open source software (idk how this is meant to work)

[boreal torrent]

it doesnt open anything

[grand crypt]

WRONG

[lapis lava]

(i don't care i will still use for proprietary garbage)

[grand crypt]

WHEN YOU DONT PUT A COMMIT MESSAGE

[cursive hornet]

Wrong

[boreal torrent]

huh

when i put no message

it doesnt give me anythinng

odd

[grand crypt]

your git client is haunted

[lapis lava]

when I put no message it opens system editor (vim.exe)

[cursive hornet]

When I put no message out opens vim for me

[grand crypt]

@cursive hornet how was opensauce

[light cedar]

do you have an EDITOR?

[cursive hornet]

Good

[boreal torrent]

yes

lemme try again

[lapis lava]

speaking of which I'll default my editor to nano

[grand crypt]

im unironically so jealous

[lapis lava]

or should i learn vim at this point

[light cedar]

weird

[lapis lava]

all cool kids use

[grand crypt]

I wihs i could go to shit like opensauce

[boreal torrent]

oh

[grand crypt]

dude

[boreal torrent]

$EDITOR isnt set

[grand crypt]

fuck vim

[boreal torrent]

funny

thats why

[grand crypt]

micro is where it is at

[light cedar]

knew it

[light cedar]

no vi...

[boreal torrent]

wrong

[boreal torrent]

why would i have vi

[grand crypt]

other than that, idk why you would go thru the process of learning a text editor made of... text

[light cedar]

anyways I should sleep

[lapis lava]

gn ashley

[light cedar]

its 2 am

[boreal torrent]

haha

[lapis lava]

tbh I would just use nano

I love it

so much

for small editing

[grand crypt]

nino is clinically insane

oh

[lapis lava]

anything else i spin up vscode

🚀

[boreal torrent]

use micro

[grand crypt]

yea for small editing, its like mid

[lapis lava]

why

what's better

[grand crypt]

but i prefer micro for small editing

[lapis lava]

what makes micro better

[boreal torrent]

faster and saner

bro

[grand crypt]

idk, but i can click around with my mouse

[boreal torrent]

why is kerning on discord font

so fuckin cursed

[boreal torrent]

also better keybindings

[grand crypt]

idk

i dont use keybinds

[boreal torrent]

WHY

[grand crypt]

I panic when I press a random keybind and eveyrthing goes haywire

[boreal torrent]

editing with mouse so bad

[grand crypt]

its easy

which is all i care about

[boreal torrent]

i hate having to switch inputs all time

it's annoying

[grand crypt]

Im used to it

[boreal torrent]

i was used to it too

[grand crypt]

yes, my joints will be dust

but whatever

[boreal torrent]

pc users dont give a fuck about their health

[grand crypt]

im not relearning my entire way of interacting with my desktop (I say, having switched to a tiling wm a week ago from windows)

[boreal torrent]

i love TWMs

i'm this nerdy

[lapis lava]

what's even a twm

i can't figure it out

[grand crypt]

basically

[lapis lava]

even after hours of readihg

[boreal torrent]

tiling window manager

[lapis lava]

does it like auto arrange your windows?

[grand crypt]

no window bar

[boreal torrent]

yes

u can rearrange them manually too

but it's gonna be

in the layout you set

[grand crypt]

i dont set any predefined layouts

because thats just gonna be aids

I organize everything the way I want before starting shit

then i dont think abt it anymore

[boreal torrent]

dwm with centeredmaster has the best layout imo

i will try to replicate it

on sway

[grand crypt]

my desktop 1 layout

almost thought i leaked my ssh shit

[grand crypt]

thank god i am not that dumb

shit becomes too small at that point imo

[boreal torrent]

i bet centeredmaster layout

would be so fire

on ultrawide

[grand crypt]

probably

[unique wyvern]

why does every friend group have that edgy guy

[rapid aurora]

MF THEY SAY THIS ART IS AMAZING
ALL I SEE IS YABUKI JOE FALLING FROM THE SKY

they look the same wtf

[sudden sun]

meow

[grand crypt]

im the edgy guy in my friendgroup

I have stopped tho

mostly because of vencord

used to say r word and f slur sometimes, completely stopped because watching some of the brainrotted people in here taught me a lesson

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841574028786663446/1250810761597554739/caption.gif

[rapid aurora]

I WANT TO SAY

read it*

why is everyone think everything on discord is hearable

[sudden sun]

overclocked my switch to reach 60fps

did not work out

[rapid aurora]

are you out of your mind?
do it again

[sudden sun]

?

[rapid aurora]

do it again

[sudden sun]

only got to 45 fps lol

[grand crypt]

e

[rapid aurora]

idk how an 2015 cpu will gets you to 60 fps

[sudden sun]

fans got to like 78% lol

[sudden sun]

depends on the game

[rapid aurora]

ily too

[noble quest]

More sunsets

[sudden sun]

@jaunty remnant gm oomfie

[rapid aurora]

[unique wyvern]

the edgy guy that's in the vr chat lobby with me probably doesn't shower that often

i changed the height of my avatar to like 3 meters to put an object really high so someone else can't grab it

as a joke

this guy just went

"why did you just match my height"

i don't mind him as for now but if he's gonna start being a bitch

there's a really cool feature that vr chat has

https://i.imgur.com/h0PKNdX.png

[grand crypt]

id be like "lemme match your dick size" and switch to a tiny avatar

[rain sparrow]

Yeah!

[unique wyvern]

that people should use more

[unique wyvern]

nah

that's mean

[grand crypt]

yeah