Hills you would die on

[thorn pulsar]

Self explanatory- what hills (beliefs) are something that you will never change your mind about

[worldly cloak]

I will never die on any hill. That's something I will never change my mind about.

[mystic bloom]

Hotdog is not a sandwich and never will be. If you tear the hotdog bun into two congrats you have 2 slices of bread and can make a sandwich but a standard hotdog bun is connected or a single bun split down the middle keeping it as one piece.

[thorn pulsar]

Bros cooking over here

Aight here’s mine -

2014 Godzilla is the best Godzilla film w/ minus zero being a close 2nd, followed by shin Godzilla

But really - 2014 is the best Godzilla movie

[rotund belfry]

What do you consider a sub?

[mystic bloom]

If the bread isn’t fully separated how can it be a sandwich

“Oh but it’s a submarine sandwich”. And is a peanut a nut?

It’s a taco

[pliant nacelle]

So this isn't a sandwich

Or this?

[mystic bloom]

Nope

See how it’s one slice of bread?

The top might be can’t tell if it’s seperated

[pliant nacelle]

What about an open faced club sandwich

[mystic bloom]

If it has 1 slice of bread it’s toast

[pliant nacelle]

It's only toast if it's been toasted

[mystic bloom]

Just because it has sand which in the name doesn’t classify it as a sandwich

[mystic bloom]

Good point I was referring to the image above tho, where 1 slice of bread on the bottom is considered toast

[pliant nacelle]

:p

What about a quesadilla?

[mystic bloom]

Cheese Sammy

Unless you do the taco method

[pliant nacelle]

Lasagna?

[mystic bloom]

Pasta

😭

But if you want to consider pasta bread for some reason it’s a cake

[pliant nacelle]

By is a wheat dough cooked in a sheet pasta for 1 form* but a tortilla sandwichable

[mystic bloom]

Huh

[pliant nacelle]

Tortilla and lasagne are effectively the same.

Put cheese etc in the middle

1 is a sandwich, one isn't in your definition

It's inconsistent

[mystic bloom]

One’s bread. One’s pasta

[pliant nacelle]

Tortilla isn't bread

[mystic bloom]

Then I’m wrong neither are a sandwich

[pliant nacelle]

No yeast, no leavener

Different cooking method

What about ham sandwiched by 2 pieces of lettuce

Or cucumber

[mystic bloom]

Not bread I don’t see your point

Sandwich is also a adjective

Or verb fuck bro I suck at grammar

[pliant nacelle]

Both

[mystic bloom]

Yea

[pliant nacelle]

SandwichING
sandwichABLE

[mystic bloom]

Are you satisfied with accepting that a hotdog isn’t a sandwich yet

[pliant nacelle]

If your definition is strictly based on 2 distinct pieces of leavened bread

I dont share that belief, so i accept that we will disagree

[mystic bloom]

https://hot-dog.org/culture/hot-dog-sandwich

[pliant nacelle]

But it's not JUST a sandwich

It's a subset of sandwich

Just like the Dalai Lama is a subset of humans

I have a much broader definition of sandwich, 1 eatable substance inside or on top of a eatable carbohydrate

[mystic bloom]

poptarts

tortolini

[pliant nacelle]

Yep

Yep

[mystic bloom]

k

[pliant nacelle]

Pizza

[mystic bloom]

thats just straight up anything with bread

[pliant nacelle]

Pb on toast

Taco

[mystic bloom]

folding a piece ofbread over does not make it a sammy

[pliant nacelle]

All fall into the subset of sandwich

[mystic bloom]

wrong

they are all on the same subset level as sandwich but there is something more encompassing

[pliant nacelle]

Is this a sandwich then?

[mystic bloom]

its sliced bread

you can call it a bread sandwich if you want

but only if theres more than 2

[pliant nacelle]

This?

This?

[mystic bloom]

i dont see what point youre making

thats a stack of bread

not everything that has bread is automatically a sandwich

[pliant nacelle]

So, it's and eatable thing between 2 pieces of bread

[mystic bloom]

between two loaves of bread

call it a loaf of bread sammy idc

[pliant nacelle]

So if i cut the top one in half and put it on the bottom it's a bread sandwich

[mystic bloom]

why not

i mean we can debate if the filling makes it a sammy but whats more important is two seperated slices of bread

[pliant nacelle]

What if i cut it before it was baked?

[mystic bloom]

then its 2 seperate loaves????

like huh

its in liquid form as well before its baked lol

not liquid

[pliant nacelle]

But bake it with stuff in the middle

[mystic bloom]

like a donut?

[mystic bloom]

see aboive message

its a calzone congrats

[pliant nacelle]

A la
Bread | cheese | meat | bread

Distinct prices of bread

[mystic bloom]

that image answers every question

[mystic bloom]

you can call and lable something a sandwich like a submarine sandwich but that doesnt classify it as a sammy

just as a peaNUT is not a nut

[mystic bloom]

since they are all seperated you made a tray sammy congrats!

i think its hard to tell

[pliant nacelle]

But they were baked together and the dough balls are seperate

It's by your earlier definition 2 loaves of bread with stuff in the middle, uncut, not a sandwich

[mystic bloom]

if im laying on a blanket looking at the sky am i sandwiched by my blanket?

i mean its just clearly cut i dont see what youre getting at

how else would they get the fillings inside

[pliant nacelle]

It's not

It's balls of dough on the bottom, then meat and cheese, then balls of dough on top

[mystic bloom]

thats just not how those are made lol

[pliant nacelle]

It's bun | meat| cheese | bun

It 100% is, see how the top buns grow together as they were baked together

[mystic bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7w-O__LyF8

[pliant nacelle]

Not the same as my image, and for thought purposes irrelevant

[mystic bloom]

if you put a ball of dough and then meat and cheese and then dough on top it straight up just wouldnt cook

evenly

[pliant nacelle]

Like what? I guess cinnamon buns are physically impossible to you

[mystic bloom]

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/216756/baked-ham-and-cheese-party-sandwiches/

heres your recipe lmao

[pliant nacelle]

It's a picture to illustrate my hypothesis

[mystic bloom]

thats not two balls of dough on top of each other

dawg have you ever made bread?

like straight up

[pliant nacelle]

Impossible

Now split the edges so the filling connects

Pies, impossible

[mystic bloom]

thats one piece of bread split in half... to show the center

[pliant nacelle]

So pockets of space on the bottom layer make it impossible

[mystic bloom]

like i just dont kow what youre arguing

if theres two seperate loaves of bread in between meat and cheese why would that not be a sammy?

[pliant nacelle]

Layer of dough, layer of sandwich filling, layer of dough

Bake

Is it a sandwich

[mystic bloom]

idk if it would be a very good one but as long as the two seperate layers of dough dont connect and make it a calzone

[pliant nacelle]

But it's not cut bread, it's by your earlier definition 2 loaves

And you said earlier 2 loaves with stuff in the middle isn't a sandwich

[mystic bloom]

ok

[pliant nacelle]

You are being inconsistent

[mystic bloom]

^^

[mystic bloom]

^^

[pliant nacelle]

"Slices of bread"

[mystic bloom]

you are reading too much when i said two seperated slices of bread. I meant that they need to be seperated

the more important part is they are seperated not split like a hotdug bun

[pliant nacelle]

Baked sandwich?

Dessert sandwiches?

[mystic bloom]

^^

you can call whatever you want a sandwich idc

[pliant nacelle]

It's bread with things between it

[mystic bloom]

i really dont care enough to argue with you anymore tbh. Ive made my point and its up to you whether or not you want to accept

[pliant nacelle]

If a monte cristo is a sandwich than that lasagne is one also

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to find the limits of your definition

[mystic bloom]

we are arguing but its not a bad thing we had a good discussion

[pliant nacelle]

And some of them are arbitrary and inconsistent

[mystic bloom]

but i just dont care enough to run through every case of bread with you. If its 2 seperated pieces of bread its a sammy

[mystic bloom]

any other questions refer to this figure

[pliant nacelle]

No, argument is illogical screaming, debate is a more apt definition

[mystic bloom]

its both kinda

im aruging to show my side and we are both debating idk

ive been using this as procrastination lol

[pliant nacelle]

But there are so many questions. Slice of bread with butter on it (not toasted) by itself bread. Slap a 2nd slice on top - butter sandwich?

[mystic bloom]

What’s confusing about that

You are adding the vital part of the sandwich. The second piece of bread

[rotund belfry]

Tortilla is bread.

[rotund belfry]

Oh my gwah monkey bread my beloved.

Alright smart guys, I got a sandwich for ya.

[thorn pulsar]

This is the level of philosophy I want to see - the stuff that really matters - the classification of sandwiches

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-beautiful-gif-18014783

[mystic bloom]

if anyone speaks another language that has multiple words for sandwiches or something similiar would be very interested in hearing how this argument would fare in another language. because these are english classifications

[worldly cloak]

Yeah sandwiches don't make sense in the same way in Dutch

[worldly shoal]

Sandwiches are far more significant than that shit we call "hot dogs" 😤

[worldly shoal]

Has to be edible with my teeth over the top and bottom by comfortably holding it in one or two hands.

Otherwise it is a fatwich.

Also needs to have some food material other than bread.

[worldly shoal]

Yep that's a sandwich (not one I would eat though).

[mystic bloom]

Please explain

[worldly cloak]

We usually talk about a slice of bread (boterham) even when we use 2 with stuff inbetween, although some might say double slice of bread. We might even call it what usually means a bun.

It's similar to how scissors/pants are a pair in English, whereas in Dutch, it's singular.

[mystic bloom]

Do you still use an adjective to describe the type of sandwich/bread like turkey (whatever it is in Dutch) boterham

[mystic bloom]

Interesting

[worldly cloak]

Sometimes yeah, but usually it's like a slice of bread with X

[worldly cloak]

Torpenhow hill*

-# ||*alleged hill||

[thorn pulsar]

Tofu is mid ngl

https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834

[mystic bloom]

Wrong

Worse than mid 😶‍🌫️

I don’t like the texture

[thorn pulsar]

Agreed

[worldly shoal]

Worse, yes. And bland.

[stray umbra]

It's called Oceania, not Australia

Australia is just a part of Oceania

(Australia is not a continent, Oceania is)

[frail aurora]

That is the greatest thing the Brits have ever made

[pliant nacelle]

Tofu has many textures. From essentially yogurt to tougher than pasta

Tofu is a vehicle for other flavours

That's like saying pasta is worse than mid

Just because you haven't fully explored something doesn't mean it's shit

"I had 1 pizza once, it was covered in anchovies and chocolate, all pizza is shit"

Hill that I would die on: All 4 seasons are great

Heterogeneity is important

[frail aurora]

I'll join you on that hill.... I totally didn't need to search it up 😅

[worldly cloak]

This is not the "Tofu is mid, change my mind" forum.

This is the "Tofu is mid, I will die on this hill" forum.

I agree, but posting it here literally means they're not open to this information 🤣

[pliant nacelle]

Im just testing whether they would actually die on that hill

if you don't want any discussion, just a list of shit why post it?

Unless you are a Quora bot looking to assimilate an article out of this forum

[worldly cloak]

Hahaha I love the Quora bot idea

[pliant nacelle]

That's what a bot WOULD say

[thorn pulsar]

tater tots> french fries

stay mad

[mystic bloom]

Waffle fries/curly fries over tater tots>

[rotund belfry]

Insane take

[frail aurora]

Pink not Magenta

[worldly cloak]

I did the work for y'all, it is a shade of magenta called Purple Pizzazz

[past urchin]

EXACTLY. Magenta is more dark/red

[worldly cloak]

Pink is redder than magenta by definition 💀

[past urchin]

nope

[worldly cloak]

Hey you're allowed to be wrong in this thread 🙏

[fervent pine]

So far most people are wrong in this thread

I won't call names

But most

[mystic bloom]

Nah can confirm tofu is worse than mid

[past urchin]

lucky you 😉

[past urchin]

don't buy that plain white tofu, buy smoked and seasoned tofu, that one's actually dope

[mystic bloom]

I went to a like healthy chipotle style place. As in you build your own bowl but it was like lettuce and rice and healthy ingredients and I got tofu because it was cheaper and I wanted to confirm I was right lol. It was like a red chili miso. The taste was good but the taste and texture of the tofu wasn’t good. And you can tell me it was the place but wherever I buy tofu I don’t enjoy it. Could be a mental thing

[past urchin]

okay fine 😅

[pliant nacelle]

The mushy texture I can see being an issue for some. You can get fried crispy tofu that is like pork rinds, or tofu skins that are the texture of french toast

It's like saying "I hate corn" after only trying frozen kernels and on-the-cob.
Try the popcorn, the tortilla, the corn chip, corn bread, bourbon

[late saffron]

Uranus should be ur-anus
1
It's bloody hilarious and a lot of people enjoy the absurdity
2
It's named after the element uranium pronounced ur-ay-knee-um
So why not
Ur-ay-nus?
Or I guess if we're gonna pronounce it uran-us then we might aswell start calling uranium uran-ee-um

[mystic bloom]

Dawg I’m allowed to dislike stuff goddamn

[mystic bloom]

Uranus was named after the Greek god. And uranium was named after the planet not the other way around

[pliant nacelle]

Yes, but your basis for "hating" it is founded in ignorance

If you cannot grasp that stop talking to me

I'll leave the facts up for others that are more open minded about the true options in the world, not dismissive based on single interactions

[pliant nacelle]

In Greek the Titan (proto god) is pronounced more like Ooo-ra-nos

So ooo-ra-nium would be more faithful

Likewise Titan is ti-tan (like tick) so Ti-tan-nium would be more faithful than tye-tae-nium as most of NA says

[mystic bloom]

I’ve tried multiple variations of tofu before 😭 why can’t you accept I don’t like it

People dislike corn, and they don’t like tortillas it’s really not a hard concept to grasp that people have different preferences

Here you go buddy

Any one of those excuses

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/on55df/its_okay_to_not_like_tofu/

If somebody says they don’t like tomatoes is it really a hard concept to understand that maybe they have tried different varieties and variations like soup and ketchup and still don’t like it?

So in final, my hill I die on is tofu is mid

[late saffron]

i like oo ra nium, we should call it that

you gotta act suprised every time you say it tho, oo! ranium!

[worldly shoal]

Ooh there's a hill to die on. Ketchup 🤮

[thorn pulsar]

Not liking ketchup is understandable - I like it but see why others wouldn’t

[worldly cloak]

I had certain food I didn't like, and certain foods I could barely get down my throat. I was convinced it was just a mental block, underexposure caused by parents, or badly prepared variants. I just kept eating all of them and I like most of them now (but I am lucky that I don't have the extra bitterness buds gene)

This is consistent with the single hill I would die on, haha

[mystic bloom]

Nooo stop everybody HAS to like the same foods regardless of regional preferences :mad:

[solar mauve]

I would die on Mt Everest if I tried to climb it probably. Pretty big hill.

[vast saddle]

Starcraft Broodwar is the greatest competitive video game of all time (that I know of).

[stray umbra]

Its good

But I prefer Warcraft3

[west stag]

Jojo is the best show of all time.

This is going to be a difficult hill to die on because Breaking Bad also exist. But I'll stick to my guns.

[worldly shoal]

ATLA 😤

[west stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-kujo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-no-no-no-no-nope-gif-14295799

[worldly shoal]

What are you going to do about it?

Just 'cause it's not better. Inferiority complex fr.

[west stag]

I'm going to strongly disagree with your second-rate opinion.

[haughty magnet]

The hill I die on is the in game BB estimation formula and in game rank formula suck!

[worldly shoal]

At least it isn't bottom-rate 😉

[late saffron]

Marine environments are way cooler then terrestrial :))))

[west stag]

Separating art from artist (or not if you want to have a spicey argument) Kanye is the greatest musical artist of all time.

And please do not argue if you have not heard atleast 2-3 of his albums. I will glady listen to anything anyone says is better.

[worldly cloak]

I think there's so many ways to evaluate greatness in music, like virtuosity, dedication, societal impact, or even financial success. So in that sense there's no single "greatest". But if there were, it'd probably be Bach 😇

[west stag]

I didn't see Bach featured on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Kinda suspicious.

[burnt crane]

I also didn't see Jeffrey Epstein in Suicide Squad

[west stag]

That's because he was murdered and those guilty will never face consequences on this plane of existence.

[mystic bloom]

Wrote a whole essay on this lol

[west stag]

Really? XD I would love to read it.

[worldly shoal]

Bach's okay, I'm more of a Beethoven.

I certainly like some modern instrumental music too. Give me a bit of Lindsey Sterling any day.

Not qualified to talk on Kanye and honestly idgaf. Not really my kind of music anyway.

Getting back to Bach. Bach is structurally brilliant but not the greatest music to listen to.

[worldly cloak]

Interesting! With the preference for cold hard knowledge etc, I would've expected you to lean Bach too

[worldly shoal]

If anything his music is bit too much 🤭 Structural brilliancy can be taken too far.

[worldly shoal]

Replying to this comment 🙂

[west stag]

Verbatim what I said before I tried.

[worldly shoal]

I'll listen to virtually anything at least once as long as it isn't completely disgusting or makes my ears bleed.

[worldly cloak]

I can accept certain levels of both of those

[worldly shoal]

There was definitely a time of my life when I was in to Bach though. These days I don't go out of my way to listen to music nearly as much.

Like I'm not sitting down and specifically playing songs very often.

Wait do we not have a music channel in this server? I guess we have coopted this into the new music channel 🗿

[west stag]

Album named "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy". Kanye's Magnum Opus. If you don't like atleast one song I'll, ill... I'll do something, idk what yet though. Make sure you listen uncensored.

[worldly shoal]

That sounds like Kanye /s 😂

[west stag]

If you follow closely the whole album tells a story.

[worldly shoal]

But also tbf I'm more of like a Simon and Garfunkel guy. I grew up on a lot of music like that because of my dad.

[worldly shoal]

I suppose it was interesting. I wouldn't say it's better from what a lot of other people are doing or have already done. It has its moments and its flaws and downsides. I can respect the creative direction and the artistry as a person like that myself but I don't know that it extends beyond that level of appreciation having put in the effort to listen to, experience, and judge all 13 songs.

[late saffron]

Australia's strict rules on preventing invasive species introduction should be more present in other countries, whitenose disease, ash dieback and countless other examples are easily preventable

[west stag]

Any song that stood out to you/do you have a favorite?

[mystic bloom]

You should listen to the Dissect podcast of it. It’s this guy that basically does long form analysis of songs and stuff goes real in depth to each song. He did a season on Spotify about MBDTF

[west stag]

ill have to check it out

Although, even though I mention MBDTF alot, its not even my favorite Ye album, thats a tossup for me between TLoP, KSG, and late registration

[worldly shoal]

Hm what do you think?

[west stag]

If you put 3 die hard Kanye fans in a room, one would say Runaway is thier favorite, one would say Gorgeous is theirs, and the other would say Devil in a New Dress. Knowing you enjoy classical im going to go closer to maybe the raw emotion and music of Runaway or Blame Game. But it could just as easily be All of the lights. I would also guess you didn't like the more Rap heavy ones such as Dark Fantasy, So Appalled, Gorgeous, or Monster as beautiful as they are.

If you said Devil in a New Dress I would be pleasantly surprised.

[mystic bloom]

I love power. Idk if it’s my favorite in the album but so good

[west stag]

https://tenor.com/view/power-kw2-gif-20515852

[worldly shoal]

I was thinking All of the Lights, yes. More of my style. Also clearer audio is always good on me. I have trouble hearing things in many songs.

[worldly shoal]

I enjoy classical yes but if you took a stroll through my music so to speak you would find mostly rock and various versions of metal-like music. On that note there is always Trans-Siberian Orchestra (it occurred to me yesterday but I didn't say anything).

[west stag]

I know Elton John did some of the vocals on that song, I think he also helped with the music aswell.

[worldly shoal]

I listened to it again just now, well okay, hm I can see it. It's interesting. First half yeah is mostly the rap not so much musical but I've always appreciated storytelling and stories that doesn't so much bother me. The real music picks up in the latter half, I don't know how I feel about the transition there, the second rap feels mismatched if still on theme. A little judgmental 🤣

[worldly shoal]

But yeah all the lights in hell. It evokes a good imagery. It doesn't hurt that I knew I'd heard that particular song before.

Also I didn't actually hate monster, it um sticks to the fantasy theme well and more closely than most of the other songs conjuring to the mind vampires and zombies and the like, to me a song is soundscape of visuals to the imagination. Sometimes that is motions and movement other times it is narrative and imagery as in this case. Dark Fantasy felt a bit of a boring intro piece on the first go through it, it certainly isn't very musical and it's not trying to be. I can appreciate it setting the stage and the tone and like I said I like story.

[west stag]

The second half is very different when you follow the "story of the album. It's art, so anyone can interpret it however they want but this is my interpretation. The intro few songs is Kanye establishing himself as a master rapper and music creator, dark fantasy, gorgeous, power, all of the lights. The "story" picks up with monster. It's a fictional tale about actual monsters, but it's about kanye becoming so rich and powerful he is a monster. Which leads to so Appalaed, which is what it's like having everything at the top, where nothing means anything to you anymore. Which turns to Devil in a New Dress which is Kanye falling in love, and not knowing how it feels. Then tragedy turns with Runaway, him telling the love of his life to Runaway from him, because he knows it will end badly, he will rebound on a power trip, and the only thing she can do in Runaway from him. I interpret the second half of Runaway as what the person he's talking to actually hears, the first half is clear, the 2nd half is muffled, and they don't hear him say Runaway. He'll of a life is kanye relapsing. Everything he said would happen in Runaway happens, and he turns back into a monster. Which eventually causes a breakup and leads to Blame Game. She's pissed at him, but he said what was going to happen, and she chose to stay. They "blame" eachother. And then the ending is just him confessing his love to Kim Kardashian.

[worldly shoal]

Would have to go back through Runaway and and Gorgeous. I remember not particularly liking gorgeous.

[west stag]

I'm really happy you gave it an honest try, thank you for being open minded and im happy you got something out of it
If you have any recommendations for me please share 😄

Sorry for typos, on my phone

[worldly shoal]

Right I remember that. The individual vampires and zombies and mummies and whatever all mixed into metaphor of his position and rise to fame.

[worldly shoal]

Same

I get it

[west stag]

If you ever want any more recommendations, let me know. I would always recommend MBDTF to non hiphop/rap people because I think its his most "approachable" album and what got me into Hip hop to begin with. It's not even my favorite

And not just Kanye xD^

[worldly shoal]

Well idk how you felt about classical you seemed to be negative on it a little bit. But like I said Trans-Siberian Orchestra (uh ignore the Christmas music I think) is a different kind of take on that so worth a listen. It's been a long time since I've listened to it but I used to like Two Steps From Hell somewhat. I believe I already mentioned Lindsey Sterling somewhere earlier in this thread. Um modern string quartets, Vitamin String Quartet, uh 4 Cellos or whatever they're called, stuff like that is fun. I like Vivaldi. Also Canon in D is a beautiful piece of music to just listen through and appreciate every once in a while. Getting to the rock/metal/pop/etc side could be a very long and involved conversation. Linkin Park is up there for me but I get tired and annoyed of the same music pretty fast and hard so I move around or on. I also spend long periods just not actively listening to music much or at all. Like right now I'm on the ending phase of like a 3-ish year break from music. So it is refreshing to get back into it as an experience/pasttime.

See what new fun there is while I was away 😆

[west stag]

I don't dislike classical, I just never really got it into/had influence to get into it. Linkin Park is great. I'm also into a bunch of 70's/80's/90's rock and even a little early 2000's.
I was never a musically inclined person until recently. I listened to rock I liked in the car and at work, parties and other places. But my new job as of about a year now let's me use headphones and I've been listening to much more. It's really easy for me to just throw an album on while working and enjoy the whole thing.
I'll give some of your recommendations a try and get back to you 🙂

[worldly shoal]

For Lindsey Sterling the true experience is the music videos. She's a violin dancer 😁

[west stag]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-batman-hmm-chin-rub-maybe-gif-6206616

I'll give it a whirl

[worldly shoal]

Yeah some crazy skill seeing her pull all these tricks while playing the instrument.

Kind of dangerous I remember hearing. Easy to injure yourself doing it.

Of course Canon in D is stereotypical "wedding music" that sort of famously upbeat classical. But I think this fails to appreciate its intricacy and universality. While Vivaldi is almost exclusively known for his Four Seasons.

[worldly shoal]

I have a creative side I don't show the internet as much. I used to write fiction a lot as a kid. But I see things like math, science, and philosophy in a similar way. They aren't only "cold hard knowledge" and strictly or purely rational. Argument, experiment, practice and exploration are creative and involve wonderfully sophisticated design. This informs my approach as a gamer too, this balance of letting things be an experience to traverse though and shaping for build or optimization. Uh, you might call them goal oriented versus exploration or learning oriented. But really I see them as design oriented versus creative or performance application. To me a creative design speaks for itself as something to look at and experience and appreciate. That is my relationship with the artistic side of things.

You'll see a lot of other people who are seen as "rational" or "scientific/scientists" or into knowledge/academics are very similar in these terms or have similar backgrounds as creatives. The stereotype of painting them as bland and uninterested in a world outside of facts is patently untrue.

[worldly cloak]

That's not at all what I was implying 😇 I have a background in maths and biochemistry, and I like technical complexity in music. Furthermore, I've seen you focus on technicalities in language, similar to how I like to look at it. That's why it was slightly unexpected 😋

[west stag]

I promise I'll listen to your recommendations sometime this weekend @worldly shoal. But I was just talking to my friend and I watched this video about my actual favorite Rap album of all time "Good Kid, m.A.A.d city" by Kendrick Lamar. The full title is "Good Kid, m.A.A.d city, a Short Film By Kendrick Lamar". The album really does play an entire, non linear, movie in your head about what its like growing up in Compton. It's very Rap heavy but I'm pretty sure a non hip hop fan can enjoy it, especially its deeper themes and story.
Here's The Youtube video I mentioned earlier going over the whole album, they explain it more beautifully then I could. Although I would recommend listening to it first so you can form your own opinions, rather than go into it with someone else's interpretation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUndaN47EDw

Link to the actual album, with 5 bonus tracks at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFvR2bZRQluxsElKifksCXcbDXbDscLEq

[worldly shoal]

That I like Beethoven? Not like that isn't technically complex. Bach can get to be a bit too much and repetitive at times but I do appreciate it. Both things can be true at the same time 😁

But at the end of the day it's a matter of tastes in all things too. What feels good and not.

I mean like look at what I expressed as one of the classical works I appreciate the most in Pachelbel's Canon in D. You look at that and you can't miss the technical complexity of it either, it's a staggeringly well built piece imo.

[worldly cloak]

Again, not what I was saying at all

[worldly shoal]

Fair, we good then.

[worldly shoal]

Hopefully I'll get around to this tomorrow since I haven't yet.

[west stag]

Started listening to some. I still think I can appreciate what the music is without being majorly into it. IE, I can listen and enjoy it occasionally, but it's not what I'll throw on in the background when I'm working/in the car.

It's very neat how music can tell a story even when there is no lyrics.

Lindsey Stirling is also incredibly talented.

[worldly shoal]

Of course you can, totally, um, but also the story is what you make of it which is fun in its own right.

[spark halo]

Got hit in the brain with a bit of inspiration…

I am not here to die on a hill.
I am not a symbol.
I am not a sacrifice.
I am not the lesson in someone else's story.

I will not contort myself to make others comfortable.
I will not play along for the sake of appearances.
I will not surrender my truth in exchange for belonging.

I do not exist to be understood by systems that were never meant for me.
I do not owe the world a grand ending, a neat summary, or a final act.

I am here to stand—fully, freely, and without apology.
Even if that means standing alone.
Even if that means stepping away from everything that pretends to care.

I choose honesty over performance.
Silence over noise.
Truth over comfort.

And if they look for me on a hill,
they won’t find me.

Because I do not live to be watched.
I live to be real.

[fervent pine]

Poet and didn't know it

[thorn pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/dab-gif-26049198

[worldly shoal]

Okay, I finally got around to the video too. It's okay I guess. But ultimately I just don't really care.

[maiden birch]

Having a pair of running shoes is good.

Not having a pair of shoes is bad.

Therefore, shoes are valuable but only in as much as a person can value shoes, running, or not running barefoot.

[mystic sorrel]

i pretty confident that there is some sort of free will that people have. i have had debates with people on it and conversations.
and i dont think my mind will ever be changed. Humans have free will

[mystic sorrel]

if anyone wants to debate this with me let me know. i love to debate it

[worldly shoal]

Sure, you can always create a separate forum post where we can discuss it freely. I will warn you that I disagree with you in a somewhat subtle way.

[winged totem]

5e is the best edition of Dungeons and Dragons.

[rotund belfry]

But you're still losing because you're playing DnD

[winged totem]

You play before, N?

[west stag]

Agreed, it is definitely most intuitive by far

In before some nerd says "Uhm aktchualy 3.5 is better 🤓 "

[rotund belfry]

Yeah. That came off as making fun of ttrpgs but I meant it in a rulebook way.

[winged totem]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

What do you play, then?

[rotund belfry]

(I'm also in a dnd campaign right now)

We play dnd but I prefer pathfinder

[winged totem]

1e or 2e

(They are very different)

[rotund belfry]

I've only ever played 2e

[winged totem]

Good.

[rotund belfry]

Yeah we talked about running this latest one in pf but we had a newer person join the group so we just stuck to the basics

[winged totem]

1e is just 3.5 on strange steroids.

Anyways, you can enjoy that Pathfinder for sure! I just think that 5e gets way too much shit, when it's actually extraordinary for what it is.

[rotund belfry]

Yeah there's just a lot of nostalgia whores and general complainers. For every bad thing 5e does it's fixed three.

[worldly cloak]

I play in both a 5e campaign and a Pathfinder 2e campaign these days, and I'm noticing how often during D&D I'm thinking "omg this is so much better in Pathfinder" and I never have the opposite thought when I play pathfinder 😇

With the sole exception of there being an "Insight" skill in D&D

[rotund belfry]

It really is just preference I feel. If you enjoy a more crunchy numbers based game I'd say pathfinder is your system but if you just wanna roll dice and have a good time dnd is perfectly fine.