#When people ask me why Canada no longer 'feels' like home. Here's why:

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sharp karma
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There's a lot to say about this so have at it.

As always if you would like to ping me for a response make sure your writing is edited for coherence and brevity.

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deep tiger
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Just from the tweet but corrupt journalism was what did it for ya?

clever merlin
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Two things here.

The name the reporter gave wasn't his real name. At the start, he said his name was "Rodney James Palmer" when he's listed under the Vancouver Suns as "Vaughn Palmer". He's also listed as a "provincial affairs political columnist" so take that as you will.
https://muckrack.com/vaughn-palmer

Secondly, why is the video framed as a "testimony" when the body speaking with the journalist isn't a court nor is it a legal case/trial? From what I've gathered, the NCI is an organization that exists for the purpose of gathering support for a petition and raising awareness for their cause.

I don't know, something feels off about this.

Find Vaughn Palmer of Vancouver Sun's articles, email address, contact information, Twitter and more

sharp karma
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That is interesting.

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So no criticism of his points but criticism of his person/credibility.

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Or you also have criticism of the content of what he had to say?

clever merlin
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Nope. I haven't had the chance to watch the entire video so my focus is on the presentation of the ideas and how they're being conveyed.

With that being said, I think there's overlap between creditability and information. That being; when researching a topic, the legitimacy of the source will always come into question. That's because creditability is tied with how trustworthy someone/something is.

This also applies with all types of communication and interpersonal relationships. For instance, if someone applies for a job and the interviewer finds out said person misrepresented themselves, regardless of intention, would the interviewer be compelled to hire that person?

Point is, if someone is going to talk about transparency, they should be.. well... transparent with how they present themselves.

real plank
# clever merlin Two things here. The name the reporter gave wasn't his real name. At the start,...
  1. A pen name "Vaughn Palmer" is actually normal. 2) Not agreeing that a sworn testimony (do you swear to tell the truth) can be done anywhere outside government entities is a debate on procedure of investigation, not a reason to dismiss information. We all lived through the pandemic and the powers that be who swore that the virus COULD NOT have originated from the wuhan lab, called it disinformation and did their best to cancel free information through corporate collusion. When experiencing psy-ops, "something feels off about this" is totally correct but about what the governments were doing. As much as governments wish they could make people forget, they cannot.
signal shore
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Whats a canadia?

ebon knot
# sharp karma There's a lot to say about this so have at it. As always if you would like to ...

Speaking as an American, I feel very much the same way as you Pete. At least in certain places within our country, I barely felt that I was still in the 'most free country in the world' when Covid hit. It was amazing and terrifying to see the government and private citizens turn into complete tyranny and total propaganda. The Covid era made me more cynical, because I saw how easily people are swayed by fear (mostly manufactured fear as well) and would turn on their neighbors, friends and family.

Absolutely insane reactions promoted and endorsed by the government, blindly accepted by sheep. I think we are fortunate here to still have strong state authority to balance out federal authority. This is why we saw massive numbers of people leaving places like California and New York to states like Florida and Texas. I'm not sure how this dynamic is in Canada, but from what I've heard you guys got it much worse during Covid, and continue to as well.

sharp karma
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I am becoming more sensitive to the subtle ways character assassination are being used online to undermine the messaging of an individual.

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Given that I'm a person who is attempting to make a living with messaging on the internet I want to understand this process better.

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Maybe I'm unique in this so you guys can check me if it sounds crazy but I much prefer listening to what a person has to say and critiquing their argument rather than listening to what someone has to say about them.

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I was in another thread when a critical video of one of my favourite YouTubers (whatifalthist) was posted in what seemed to be an attempt to undermine the content of his point.

I listened to the whole critique which could have been summarized with this sentence: whatifalthist is bad and unfit to discuss history because he does not follow the dogmatic procedures and accepted dogma used by academic historians. This argument was made into a video that certainly would parasitized views off of his much larger and more successful channel.

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I suppose I'm sensitive to this stuff because this is the exact reason I got out of academic philosophy. The fuckin gatekeeping! Am I only qualified to discuss the ideas of the ancient Greeks because I can read translated Greek. I find the 'who said what when' nature of the conversation to be so obviously subordinate to the quality of what is being said.

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One thing I'm trying very hard to do with my show is speak as truthfully as I can.

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I don't know how to better introduce myself than 'I am a top player in the game of Risk Global Domination' because it is the simplest and most direct way to describe myself without unecessary hyperbole or false humility. I am what I am. And I am the guy with the microphone. People are free to click off at any time. I suppose though, and I would hope that the quality of my ideas would be evaluated on their own merits and not how well they conform to any sort of procedural dogmatic orthodoxy. I have made my own way in the world and figured things out along the way. As always decide what you believe is true and certainly, your mileage may vary.

real plank
real plank
broken root
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Top comment in the twitter post source

“This is a great example of how the best of intentions can go down the tube. I really hope the panel saw through him. Once you've heard Denis Rancourt, there's no need to go any further! Mr. Palmer looks and sounds exactly like what he's supposed to be "exposing". All his gushing and praise for his fellow "gem" journalists is outrageous. How is his testimony even relevant when he's been out of the business for 20 years? Why didn't he talk about how the media uses VNRs which are nothing more than pre-packaged "news stories" that are given to the media outlets with pre-written scripts and B-roll footage so each outlet can feel like they're tailoring the story when all they're doing is parroting a pre-packaged piece of propaganda? Of course, the media lies and was complicit in the covid scam, but Mr. Palmer thinks there was a virus and a pandemic. He should check HIS sources that led him to that conclusion.”

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My personal note:

I’d gather more info before making an assertion or personal claim, but from what I’ve watched and read, the entire country is fucked, he just seems like the latest anti-establishment grifter.

I am all for tearing down society, getting together, and forming a new one or new ones, based on new criteria, needs, and desires.

I fear however, that due to humanity’s general outlook and majority-accepted thoughts, we would inevitably end up building societies much like the one we are currently in, just with different names, positions, and titles. Someone will want to be the “leader”

wanton ocean
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Pete, I am with you on the 'character assassination' point wholeheartedly. I'm exhausted with people dodging a discussion on the topic at hand by trying to poke holes in the credentials of the other people engaged in said discussion. It's closed minded, reductive, and pointless. We should hear each other out whether we disagree or not. It's because of this that I often see or hear people arguing with each other even though they basically have the same opinion.

Anyway, to discuss the topic of the testimony given in the video, I applaud Mr. Palmer for the educational value of his presentation. It was refreshing for me, a School of Journalism drop out, to listen to what he had to say and how he put it forward. I've grown accustomed - as have we all - to seeing propaganda instead of news when we turn on the TV. Therefore, the fact that he presented his testimony as if it was a news editorial for broadcast television demonstrated in action what his words were trying to communicate. For me, that made this that much more impactful.

It's disheartening to see CBC and other news outlets going down a road of censorship in this way. As he discussed, they and other news organizations should be focused on the gathering of news to the exclusion of all else. The consequences of reputable organizations choosing to engage in anything other than their mandate are playing out right now as it seems fewer and fewer educated adults are aware of what is factually taking place around them. It also means that those same people are going to other sources for news, such as Facebook, Twitter, or YouTube where even more disinformation and censorship is happening.

This has opened the door for conspiracy theorists and other non-news organizations to proliferate. You can claim on YT now that coronavirus did not happen or that a school shooting was not reality and that will be taken as fact. Evidence? Who cares about that? Truth is what the media are making it and thus, the average person is following suit.

real plank
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I am totally sick of the term grifter. Independent journalism away from media propaganda is under attack constantly with this term. While it may be true that some independent journalists use points to gain audience/clicks it becomes a blanket response to the entire movement away from government/corporate collusion and to dismiss information. For instance, Pete could be called a Risk grifter since he "admits" flaws in risk but promotes it anyway while, at the same time, being a "unabashed grifter" that wants money for streaming by also bringing up controversy. He makes thumbnails that lead to clicks. Its completely understandable what Pete says about this and no one blames him, yet it would be used against him if he were a straight journalistic platform. The term grifter is already old and has little to zero meaning.

sharp karma
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@real plank here

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I WILL be called a grifter at some point. It's inevitable

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The good news is there is literally thousands of hours of my mind now available for public consumption.

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But fat lot of good that will do. If you look at someone like Jordan Peterson as an example.

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The ethic has to be one of personal responsibility to run everything we hear through our own filter of logical rigor.

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I'm not speaking to anyone in specific but to all of you in general:

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If you make up your mind about a person's ideas based on something someone else said about them rather than what they themselves said directly you are contributing to this problem.

real plank
sharp karma
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Having other's defend me defeats the purpose of the ethic I'm trying to promote

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😉

real plank
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I should become a rapper.

real plank
sharp karma
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Haha I don't want anyone to agree with anything I say.

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I don't care.

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If you can show me how something I say doesn't make sense I am made better

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but people don't do that.

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They tend to go ad hominem (you are bad) or proxy ad hominem (he is bad)

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as in the case I'm trying to articulate

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Take my YT comments as an example

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it is EXCEPTIONALLY rare that someone I don't know makes a post that insightfully explains something about the game that I'm missing

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What occurs in +90% of cases when someone tells me what I should have done or what I did wrong is they give bad advice and/or make some kind of insult

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So I look at discourse publicly like pruning a garden.

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If you're an idiot and/or not respectful I probably don't have time to talk to you.

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But if you understand how to speak to me then I will give you the opportunity to show me what I'm missing.

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Time is a major component

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But also kindness

wanton ocean
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I'm still noodling a lot on the video you shared in this thread's original post. What were your thoughts/takeaways from Mr. Palmer's testimony, Pete?

real plank
# sharp karma But if you understand how to speak to me then I will give you the opportunity to...

I get what your saying about Risk strategy and, inclusively, philosophy. However, MY biggest problem is when people pose questions that they are entrenched in. Pretending to be open by reaching out but have their guns drawn on anything you say in response. Sometimes its obvious, so I just avoid it. However, when you try to show your point of view, thinking it may be genuine, and they just go deeper into sniping or defending. At some point, respect (for me) becomes obsolete, once its obvious the conversation is not genuine. But I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, its an important topic.

real plank
sharp karma
# wanton ocean I'm still noodling a lot on the video you shared in this thread's original post....

I have always had a sense I wasn't free. That I was being lied to.
You're a Canadian Pete, you have the right to vote. You're free to choose.
I dislike being lied to.
I'm free to choose the colour of the dildo that's being shoved up my ass. Plain and simple. I can't choose to not be fucked. The notion that we should just accept that we're fucked and choose the least bad option is categorically unacceptable. It's learned helplessness. And I find it pathetic.

We are humans we create things that don't exist. There is nothing stopping us from fixing this except a lack of will and a lack of ability to communicate.

So I set about learning how to communicate.
Now I'm encountering a different barrier than before.

There is no such thing as common sense. There hardly is a thing as base reality. People no longer see the same news events occurring at the same time. We have reached post truth. That scares the shit out of me. At least when I was young we were all being lied to about the same thing so we accepted that it was bullshit and moved on with our lives because things were still generally working well enough and we were all too busy putting food on the table. 20, 25 years later all news is being propagandized. And while this is even more obvious to me as someone who grew up before and learned how to understand my context from a place of base reality, people growing up now stand almost no chance at filtering reality in an unbiased way. So the noose tightens. We become further and further enslaved by the inertia of the systems and institutions we have built.

The empire is in decline. And I don't want to have to live through it's collapse. Especially not when I'm old.

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I see this coming.

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We have another generation at least

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before there is no more value left in the system

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no more juice left to squeeze

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I don't want to be the one left holding the bag when this whole house of cards comes crashing down. This economic ponzi scheme we've built off of infinite growth on a finite planet.

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I hope this tells a tale that is meaningful to you guys. Maybe it's still too broad or tangential. I still feel like I haven't learned how to communicate well enough.

deep tiger
sharp karma
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I would like to be able to make meaningful decisions and be treated with respect systemically. To be treated like my agency matters.
I don't see either the terms base reality or common sense confusing in this context.

wanton ocean
# sharp karma I hope this tells a tale that is meaningful to you guys. Maybe it's still too br...

This is not tangential, in my eyes. These thoughts of yours are exactly in keeping the broader topic initiated by the testimony given in the video. How the CBC reported on the coronavirus was part of but not completely the main issue. That issue, as you so succinctly put it, is we are being lied to.

I'm 35 so I feel you on your perceptions of society as a whole. The added layer for me was growing up in the good ol' Bible Belt of the USA with a preacher for a father. I learned at an early age that even intelligent people willfully disregard facts and information that don't agree with their worldview or beliefs. I struggled with that and took comfort in studying science and philosophy before then receiving an education in writing and journalism. Making a long story short, as a young adult studying Mass Communications at University I learned that the system itself was being rigged. What was worse, it was being rigged in the exact same way I was accustomed to seeing in the churches and schools I grew up in. That rigging is being done through the lens of Denialism.

Webster Definition: "In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth."

This, in a nutshell, is why the top replies to the video are attacks at Mr. Palmer's character and deflections to other issues. People do not wish to believe they are being lied to so they reject the concept outright. It's bad enough that this is common mentality among the populace but the fact that the news media are all involved in this mindset as well is troubling. Scary, as you put it.

Normally, a discussion on a news topic should be conducted from a place of learning. Either learning more about something you didn't or participating in the edification of others using what you have already learned. With denialism being the new way of handling everything the aspect of learning is set aside. Watching the news is no longer about edification but about confirming what you already know to be true.

That mindset is built-in to how we receive the news, even as we scroll articles looking at only headlines. Headlines used to say things like, "Vital Dam in Ukraine Destroyed in the Ongoing Conflict". Now, they read like this: "Mysterious Explosion at a Dam in Ukraine" or "Who blew up the Dam in Ukraine?". These imply or outright claim mystery and create a discussion around who could have possibly done the act. Doubt is sowed and room for denial firmly entrenched right from the start.

And we, as a whole, like it that way it seems. THAT is the part that frightens me and leads me to agree with your house of cards analogy. Our society cannot continue indefinitely if we build it on a foundation of denial instead of factual debate. Yet more and more of the people I interact with in real life and online seem to be willfully embracing lies and half-truths while denying the facts. The number of people who believe in a flat earth is on the rise, moon landing deniers are in full throat, and more and more people are unwilling to open their minds to anything but what feels right to them in the moment.

My final thought on this is not just my frustration with denialism overall but also with the ridicule that accompanies it. It's been popularized now to make fun of or attack anyone who presents a fact based argument that challenges a popular narrative. Even worse, those popular narratives vary in archaic, tribal fashion. Say the two words Climate Change where I grew up and you are in for a world of hurt, intellectually. Say that somewhere else and you are fine but don't bring up any facts about the ISS being a real thing in space.

Sigh. We are definitely not as "Free" as people think. Especially if you have ideas based on concepts that go against the current narrative.

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Apologies, good sir, for writing so much. I do also appreciate brevity in a discord discussion but this one is apparently super close to my heart and because of the nature of the denialism we are talking about, I've not found a good place to explore these thoughts for a while. Thank you, Pete, for the forum to have this kind of discussion.

sharp karma
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It makes sense why character assassination would be a useful tool to silence those who deviate from the accepted orthodoxy.

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As you pointed out

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this is a tool that has been used historically very well by religion.

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We just happen to have a new dominant religion.

wanton ocean
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Right! That's well put

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Another way of thinking about it is the lack of nuance. I actually think you discussed this in a video I watched recently. Like with the example you are showing about Jordan Peterson, it should be completely normal to agree with something someone said or did without having to accept that entire person and everything else they have ever said.

sharp karma
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I think another really good example is Michael Jackson

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If he was a child predator

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that is pretty objectively terrible

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but it doesn't effect the quality of his music in any way

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It can definitely effect how much a person is able to enjoy that music, and that I completely understand. But the art and the artist are not the same.

deep tiger
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I do agree with that. Instead of hashing things out and having debates over things it had turned into black and white, right or wrong, all or nothing. Which deprives the people who would like to talk about any subject the platform or audience for that discussion.

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No one is 100% good or 100% bad or are their actions.

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This all or nothing approach about ideas and people has also been involved in the character assassinations that yall were talking about. You can take a person who is doing good in the world and use the negative parts about them to turn it all bad, and even taint everyone else who was involved with that person or idea.

wanton ocean
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I am running into that HARD with my love of both Diablo IV and Path of Exile. Some of my friends constantly come at me for still playing D4. "Pen, don't you know that game is bad? Why are you playing a bad game? Play PoE instead!" I can't explain to them that the way I'm playing it is fun for me and circumvents issues. They won't hear it. I'm supposed to just stop playing and go do what they want. Likewise, other friends hate PoE and refuse to allow me try to explain why I like it.

I realize gaming is pretty low on the totem pole of important things in society. However these kinds of situations are a microcosm of our society as a whole. All or nothing, bad or good, no nuance allowed.

Your Michael Jackson example is poignant. It's not enough that you simply condemn his actions, no, you are supposed to burn your records and never listen to him again. You are no longer "free" to make the choice about his art yourself, whereas in the past you could decide for yourself how you were going to react.

terse wasp
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Damn Pete, better be careful with all that free thinking, the thought police is gonna come after you. 🟥 🟦 🟥 🟦

deep tiger
# sharp karma I would like to be able to make meaningful decisions and be treated with respect...

And in response to this I think a solution to this (if im understanding you correctly) is federalism. A little different in Canada but in the US the federal government is going to big and powerful, because you cant govern 300 million people with a weak government. The order of control if your life should you>family>community>town or city>county>state>federal; this is also the reverse of the amount of control you have on whos in charge of that group. This idea has been destroyed to where the federal government can intervene into any of those ranks willy nilly. So i dont know but im assuming that you dont mean you want only The Pete Man to be respected but everyone and this is a way to do that.

sharp karma
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I am an advocate of non-representational democracy

deep tiger
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So direct democracy?

sharp karma
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ideally digital direct democracy

deep tiger
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Interesting. Dont know exactly how that would work in a country of 38 million, but it might happen PeteCool

sharp karma
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That's what I was gettng at with my the only relevant issue is electoral reform thread

deep tiger
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hmmmmmmm i see that didnt go that direction PeteLaugh

brave geyser
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in the process of watching this video, but i do want to point out, I find that he's trying to harp on the point that she is "trying to tell people to disagree with their fathers" which i feel is a complete misunderstanding of the message, that the message was to fight the spread of misinformation, even if its with close family members. and he's really pushing the whole "you dont want your kids to not believe you"

now i have no proof whether the reporter had the knowledge that the cia had about the outbreak being a lab incident, but it seems very plausible to me that she was told directly that it was not a lab created outbreak. and then unintentionally reported misinformation. and vuaghn palmer seems to want to spread the narative that this woman spread propaganda knowingly

and when he is going through cbc joining things like the trust project, it feels very biased, specifically when he says
"one of their tools is called the power of the machine - harnessing AI to fight disinformation"
"so i can only surmise from this that microsoft is using AI to identify anybody speaking words that they identify as to be 'censored' or called 'misinformation'- so that you will agree with their censorship"
it feels like a lot of jumping to conclusions here about what is going on without actually knowing anything about how the system works or what they have in place

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not to defend spreading of misinformation intentional or not, but this is just what stood out to me so far

deep tiger
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Pete id feel like youd enjoy "rich men north of richmond" by oliver anthony

wanton ocean
# brave geyser in the process of watching this video, but i do want to point out, I find that h...

He was using fathers because that was the example they gave. It resonated with him personally, was all.

What he was getting at is she and other journalists mentioned had a responsibility to the truth. Part of his point was that they willingly participated in propaganda pieces. She is way more educated in how to speak to people and what the difference between newsgathering and propaganda is than I am. So if I can recognize this as clear and obvious propaganda, so would she. It's a huge logical leap for me to consider that she just showed up, read the script, and left without a care in the world. I suppose that CAN happen but that doesn't make it right, either. It would mean she's the laziest news anchor in Canadian history.

The other aspect of his point is the bigger and more worrying issue, however. This isn't a newspiece, but a propaganda piece meant to discourage people from believing a specific story. Propaganda that played out on national Canadian television. Everyone watching that was told to deny anyone who claims the coronavirus was created in a lab. Whether or not a lab created coronavirus is true isn't the point, of course, but the fact that instead of reporting news they were conditioning viewers to accept a narrative. Simply put, the problem isn't necessarily the subject matter, but that a legitimate news organization knowingly created propaganda instead of news.

brave geyser
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I just think that specific example with the woman reporting on misinformation could be chalked up to the reporter being misinformed herself, i dont know the ins and outs of what she did to investigate for this story, but i find it hard to believe something like that was intentional. I would assume she spoke with professionals who claimed it was not a lab created virus, and then told the rest of the world what the experts told them, and iirc, they said the story came out 2 weeks after the start of the pandemic, and the quote from the cia claiming they have known for a while that it was a lab incident didn't specify when exactly they knew.

but i agree it doesn't make it right, and there needs to be strict fact checking if you are going to claim things like that on a cbc, i just think its very possible this was an honest mistake and that saying she is intentionally spreading propaganda is misleading to me, but in a perfect world they would be notified of this mistake and correct it, and if that doesn't happen then thats a very bad thing, ive agreed with a lot of the rest he has said tho, in cases like the "literally inhaling bleach" this is blatant misinformation and its good that hes bringing light to that

terse wasp
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It's a systematic issue, not a one time reported mistake

wanton ocean
sharp karma
wanton ocean
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Why are the Simpsons usually so on point?

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lol

brave geyser
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im just going off of whats presented, never had any information or firm opinion going into this, i dont doubt that its a systematic issue, just didn't know if it was "yeah this one very specific case shows that news is bad because i cant find any other examples" or if it was "yeah heres one story i picked out of the piles and piles that i have" and since that was the only story presented better to hope that humans are humans and make human mistakes, and not a terrible system we have in place

clever merlin
# sharp karma <@222156450720514048> Ok I did some digging. Because fair enough better to not ...

First off, anyone can create an IMDb page. Said pages can be edited by anyone. Also, even if the page is verified by the owner, they would still be able to insert a name that isn't their own using the "professional name" feature. I'll add the link I used to get this information.
https://help.imdb.com/article/imdbpro/manage-your-imdb-page/claim-your-page/GXWAJBBV8EVPF3PE#
I want to add that I'm more than happy to retract my previous statement if you can show me another source that can undoubtingly prove his real name is Rodney but from what I can tell, the presenter receives results for his professional work when using the name "Vaughn" and only results related to the topic he discussed in the video you attached using the name "Rodney". As an example, I'll link a Twitter account that looks like it could be him. https://twitter.com/vaughnpalmer

I also read the NCI page before posting my comment. I guess my next question would be what was incorrect about my previous description of the organization. Again, if there's something I'm missing that I didn't cover about the page or anything inaccurate I said about it, I'll gladly hear you out.

Finally, I'm not asking for the individual in question to be "an expert", I only expect honesty. If you want to discuss this topic and the information that came from it then that's great. I'm not dismissing or judging anyone here. You're all free to have your own opinion and to talk about it, I'm not against that at all. I'll happily hear you all out as well because I believe that you're all being honest about yourselves and how you feel.

I want to repeat that what I said wasn't about the information, it was about how it was being presented and articulating my uneasiness about the whole thing. I'm sorry if what I said made you upset Pete, I was only adding my input. I didn't mean anything malicious by it.

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wanton ocean
# brave geyser im just going off of whats presented, never had any information or firm opinion ...

It would be sooooo much better if this was an isolated topic. What if the Canadian government just didn't want people to know it was a human invented virus?

Unfortunately, that is a provably false concept. If you'd like I can go about collecting up links to other bogus propaganda reports on national news stations from the US, Canada, and Britain but honestly, it really won't take long to locate them if you want to go down that rabbit hole a bit.

I'm with you on not wanting to believe any of this. But again, that is kind of the point of Denialism. A person avoids seeking answers because psychologically, they'd prefer the easier outcome. The path of less resistance is so much easier taken. That is 100% of the reason the mass media in our world's society is able to get away with this. Anyone speaks out, they just ridicule them and go on letting everyone else be in denial. In fact, as the example we are discussing showed, they will even bring in an "expert" to teach you how to deal with these belligerent people who ask questions.

brave geyser
# wanton ocean It would be sooooo much better if this was an isolated topic. What if the Canadi...

i believe that if it was anyone who didn't want people to believe that it was human invented, it would be china, like objectively, you dont want the public to know that your country is responsible for creating a virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of people. but are we then to assume china is incentivizing misinformation to be spread, and if so, who is all in on it, is every reporter covering the story paid off to lie, or is it more likely that the 'experts' are put in place to lie to reporters, and they are rushing out news stories without fact checking everything because they want their story out

i dont know its a lot of what ifs and hypotheticals, and things we will never know for sure, i just like to stay ambivelant and say virus bad

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but if anyone wants to get out the cork board and red string and piece everything together with difinitive proof, i support it all

terse wasp
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This may be the first/last long post I ever put up in one of these threads, but I just want to share my truth on the entire worldwide media corruption situation. I am 22 years old, I grew up on high speed internet and only barley remember the days of dial up. The world of technology has surrounded me my entire life and yet I long for the days I remember when I 5-8 years old, before the 2008 financial crisis when everything seemed normal, because to me that was the last time it did seem normal.
Kids in America are taught today the last great fight for freedom and liberty is over. Everything is good now with modern technology that there's no way we could ever have another revolution/ another great war where they will have to fight for things that truly matter in life. How could we? We have smartphones, and airports, and air-conditioning. I grew up believing this, this was the peek of humanity, nothing bad could ever happen, all that stuff only happens in North Korea, Africa, Middle east, the US is normal and everything is OK. I don't know Canada exactly but from the 3-4 Canadian friends I have, one of whom is my best friend, this is the same sentiment I get.
It was not until High school where I was taught History class by one of my favorite teachers ever who is almost 80 years old now. He was a hippy back in the 70's and taught us about how many terrible things modern governments do. Espionage/ Money Laundering/ Cheating/ Proxy wars, anything the Government does that sucks he taught us about which started to open my eyes. Today isn't any different than the world was hundreds of years ago to a certain extent, people are still fighting for wealth, control all under the farce of normality and technology. ( I know this is horse has been beaten into mulch but I will still mention it) Books like Gorge Orwell's 1984 or Animal Farm or still just as relevant today as they were 60 years ago. Just with a different coat of paint.

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The average person today has a much better quality of life than most humans did for the majority of recorded history, this is a fact that I don't think anyone can dispute. The biggest problem today is with the implementation of technology and science today, humans are being "mind controlled" on scales people would have thought are insane even a few decades ago. The amount of money that is put into marketing/political campaigns, today with the aid of the modern understanding of the human brain and psychology to attempt to manipulate peoples actions/votes/spending is absolutely insane, and all of this is very evident when you look at the amount of money all the social media company's are making today. They are getting that money from somewhere.
Media/social media, Is all being controlled and monitored by people who don't have your self interest at heart, and I hate to say this and I don't mean to judge anyone and mean any disrespect, but the amount of people who don't care or just simply are not smart enough to see through this are exactly what they are after. If the CIA was doing MK ultra in the 70's, 50 years ago now, imagine what they have learned since then that is still classified material. Most people including myself could probably not comprehend it.
Where does this all lead who knows, and it goes much deeper than a lot of the things I just said but if I dig too deep, you start to get called a conspiracy theorist and people new favorite term, "right wing" even though I find myself more Libertarian and see both good and bad on both sides of the political aisle. Covid "woke me up", The amount of lying and sheer propaganda from every media platform especially towards the start of Covid made me absolutely sick to my stomach. I am getting tired of typing but I'm always open to have a conversation with anyone who is at bear minimum respectful, as I will also try to be.

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I worry about where humanity is going to be 10-20 years from now, guess we will all have to wait and see.
(sry to anyone who read that, hopefully it gets lost in all the comments here.)

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Maybe one day Ill go get smart somewhere kekw

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Well i guess we had two different educations then. We werent all doom and gloom about practically anything.

sharp karma
# clever merlin First off, anyone can create an IMDb page. Said pages can be edited by anyone. A...

You most definitely didn't do or say anything I found upsetting.

I think I'm the weirdo here actually in that I don't care about the credibility of who's talking in general. I have such low trust for any and all sources of information that I take everything with a massive grain of salt regardless of who's talking.

So whether this person in particular is credible or any person in general doesn't matter as much to me as whether I can package their idea into a coherent logical model.

And this is one of the big things I'm trying to promote with my ethic of skepticism.

wanton ocean
# brave geyser but if anyone wants to get out the cork board and red string and piece everythin...

You're not willing to investigate for yourself? And, before you answer, apologies if that comes off as confrontational. That is not the intent here. All is well, for sure. I am just trying to understand the sentiment. That sentence in your reply just really made it seem like you wanted someone else to bust out the "cork board" and show you. From my perspective, therein lies the issue.

It makes me feel like any evidence presented won't matter. Because if you were open to new ideas and opinions, wouldn't you want to go take a look for yourself? I'm speaking more generally than directly to you, Waifu. Honestly, I do see where you are coming from. This example just fits the conversation perfectly.

Years ago I used to engage in discussions online that almost always consisted of people sharing information and bringing more facts to the table as the conversation continued. Now it feels like most of the people I interact with have already decided what they want to know. It feels like they are asking me to find out for them and then tell them what to think.

The reason for that is exactly what we are talking about here and why the video Pete found is so impactful. We are being conditioned to think that way by the way news and social media presents information to us. And not all of that part is planned, state level propaganda. Some of that is because of people like Alex Jones who obfuscate current events and clutter our social media "feeds". It's important to be skeptical but because of the society of ridicule and assassination that exists around trying to post corrections online or speak against the current groupthink, many people seem to have lost the instinct to edify themselves on anything important.

Again, this is DEFINITELY not an admonishment of you. I really appreciate you engaging with me, Waifu, on this topic. You rock! 🙂

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I think one of the lowest I've ever felt in a conversation was when these two guys I was debating with sourced memes as their facts for the discussion. They openly admitted to using mostly memes as their source for news because even though they aren't totally true they "get you the thrust of it". Sigh.

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If someone starts excessively memeing, or making jokes, just leave the debate, let them think they won, it’ll give them something to wank about later in bed 😂

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Everyone needs a win sometimes lmao

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well i dont think im qualified to go and write a journalist paper exposing the deep web of control regarding china and the pandemic, the topic interest me, but not a "spend the next 3 months of my life uncovering what nobody else knows" invested. and i know that there is a problem if every single person feels that way, like they are too small to make a change, then no change is going to occur. I know it might have came off as sarcastic or something, but i really meant it genuinely, like if there was some person who decided im going to figure out the route cause of all of this misinformation and bring it to a wider audience, I would love to see it, something like friendlyjordies exposing corrupt politicians, and i feel like this video is a start of that. im completely open to new ideas and opinions and i enjoy talking about them, and i actually agree with a lot of what you say, i didn't mean cork boards as snarky or to poke fun at it, i actually really enjoy stuff like that. and genuinely would love to watch some documentary or a 3 hour long video going in depth about it

but i do agree in general it feels like a lot of people want other people to tell them what to think so they dont have to do the work and think for themselves, i always try to be skeptical of everything, even in this video, when he was talking about Ivermectin, i went and found the research article he was quoting and skimmed through some other related ones, i still think if i wanted to learn more id fully read more about ivermectin cause it does seem too good to be true, but nonetheless, never meant that as "you do the work not me" but more as, I would love it if someone did that and laid it all out so a bigger audience could digest and understand the issue

wanton ocean
# brave geyser well i dont think im qualified to go and write a journalist paper exposing the d...

Definitely! This is why I asked because I figured there was more to the story than just "do it for me, Penfighter!" Haha.

I totally feel you on the not wanting to go full on in like a reporter and dig deep for weeks and months. Thankfully, in this case, that's not necessary. An afternoon of research is all that is needed to get a basic understanding. We have the world at our finger tips if you know where to look. 🙂

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And, to be fair, some of the propaganda isn't ill intentioned or even necessarily "bad". It's really just the fact that supposedly independent and objective newsgathering organisations are involved in it is the issue.

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I definitely feel that, i think my problem is the word propaganda has such a negative connotation to it that i dont like it being used left and right, even if by definition it does match, and i want to play 'devils advocate' and find a reasonable explanation for something to shy it away from being dragged into that category
like if i were to go on and explain the same stuff he did, i wouldn't say things are lies and propaganda, but instead say misleading and not showing the full picture, cause to me it feels like hes using a lot of buzzwords and things with harsh connotations, that often times feels biased even if it has facts to support it, and i know its partially to do with naturally wanting to be right and being defensive when your opinion is challenged, i think using less hard hitting words is a much better way to have/start conversations about it

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I disagree on that point. I prefer to call a cat a cat, you know? The piece done on how to discuss the coronavirus with someone who thinks it was made in a lab was clearly a propaganda piece by definition. So we should call it what it is, connation notwithstanding.

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I mean i think both opinions are valid, there are definitions for things for a reason
but i guess to put it into words, calling something propaganda seems like a much bolder claim, than to say something may be misleading, and for even a general audience if you say "this clip is propaganda" after showing the clip some may already disregard anything you say cause they will take you saying that as "everything here is a lie and you shouldn't trust it" whereas "this clip is a little misleading" is a lot easier to take as "okay, where are you going with this, is there something im missing", of course this isn't going to be for everyone, but for me personally i dont like when harsh words like that are used cause it seems more like an attack and makes me defensive

real plank
# brave geyser well i dont think im qualified to go and write a journalist paper exposing the d...

Propaganda, to me, is descriptive of those in power giving (from misleading up to) false information. I actually never got on the internet or reached out to anyone before the news started saying things like Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer with the video of him being attacked by multiple people showing in the background and that Winsome Earl Sears is a black-white supremist. At that point, I knew something was terribly wrong in a system that I knew was propagandized before into straight 1930's Germany heavy propaganda. I just never payed close attention to it and, obviously, it had ramped up while I was looking away. Since then, I have studied 1930's Germany and how we are going to avoid being led down whatever path the controllers want. Since then I have learned many things I did not know before like the The Meeting at Jekyll Island, forming the foundation for government/corporate collusion we see today.

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The biggest thing is to identify the prime beneficiaries. The China thing would be confusing except for the push for globalism and the role China would take in such a line of history. Its such a pervasive push that the idea of Nationalism is a bad word, even to the point of stating that its morally wrong, comparing it back to 1930 Germany (a full circle of propaganda). Saying anything bad about China was not framed as Nationalism but it was so parallel at the time, it may as well have been. They just hit any mention so hard, it is tell-tale what the goal is. The question is why governments in power are willing to go into globalism where, theoretically, they lose power. The answer is that they gain power from it. How is the topic of dozens of conspiracy theories but I think its simply that they can confuse people into believing things like "inflation is a global phenomenon" by networking together and massaging facts into a global perspective to fool people on motives/accountability easier. I could be wrong though, giving up power is not what governments do so it could be horrible what is behind that curtain.

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Current to the discussion but on the lighter side of funny, even though it shouldn't be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1J2pJtgmnQ

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So... They F*cking Planned This All Along

As Moderna pays a tiny amount of money back to the government after making billions from vaccines that used that tax payer technology, the UK’s former Covid medical officer takes role at Moderna. Revolving door? What revolving door?
#moderna #vaccine #covid
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If anyone doesn't think pharma companies are evil then they aren't paying attention IMHO

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and not evil in the bombastic disney villian sense. Evil in the understanding of Hannah Arendt.

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TLDR: "An April 10th report by a Goldman Sachs analyst has been making the rounds in the media. The report, entitled “The Genome Revolution,” advised pharmaceutical companies to consider making and selling drugs that treat, not cure, diseases. Why? Making drugs so effective that they eradicate a condition or disease isn’t a profitable business model in the long run.An April 10th report by a Goldman Sachs analyst has been making the rounds in the media. The report, entitled “The Genome Revolution,” advised pharmaceutical companies to consider making and selling drugs that treat, not cure, diseases. Why? Making drugs so effective that they eradicate a condition or disease isn’t a profitable business model in the long run."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNIfIe0wgE

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Jordan Peterson: Narcissist Justin Trudeau has never said a true word

Dr Jordan Peterson discusses his home country of Canada, which the professor believes has been taken over by Left-wing authoritarians and predatory psychopaths.

Listen to this bonus episode of Off Script hosted by The Telegraph's Steven Edginton.

Jordan Peterson on The decline and fall of Canada

Why does the situation appear particularly gri...

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thought I would put this here to add more to the conversation

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I have a few Canadian friends who keep telling me how scary things are getting, I worry for you guys

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Man there is so much there.

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Which part did you want to talk about

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That's a tough question, there is a lot, he basically rants nonstop for 30 mins straight. Like I said I have a few Canadian friends, and one of them tells me much about how his family, and how they call him crazy for pointing out a lot of current cultural events like mentioned further up in this thread and in the JP video, specifically his older parents more than anyone else and that really stuck out to me. One of the big points of that video and the over arching theme of "niceness" being manipulated by people who want to do harm is a terryfying thought, a lot of people cannot see why some things are wrong because they think they are doing the correct thing. Just really scary times and I'm hesistant to see where this all leads. I think Canada to my understanding is just years ahead of the US in many regards as well.

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I was more curious to see what others thought and form some new opinions

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Hopefully hear some opposing thoughts too 😄

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Yeah well there are a number of places where JP and I diverge here.

Primarily

  1. The importance of religion in general and Christianity in specific.
  2. His seeming opposition to the idea of climate change as a concept. (I believe it's definitely occurring and definitely anthropogenic but I agree with JP that the governments chosen solutions thus far have been impotent at best and directly counterproductive at worse.)
    and 3. His use of rhetoric to classify our Prime Minister as a dark triad or dark tetrad personality type as if that's particularly useful.

Bearing in mind that my stance is that any person in that position is a figurehead/puppet and the true power is no longer in the government's hands but rather in the business interests. Until we can get meaningful electoral reform on the table the true power will continue to remain in the business interests.

I don't think Canada and USA diverge nearly as much as just about anyone else does. We aren't even America's hat, without them we're a cold shitty Australia. There would be nothing here.

As far as niceness goes, as a lifelong Torontonian my perspective on Canadian niceness is that it is far more akin to smugness. People are very inclined to think they're right and very reticent to earnestly engage with new information and perspectives. As shown by the ridiculous animosity people have to much of what JP has to say. With the caveat that, yes, I too disagree with him on a lot of what he says, but also, I'm not a published author of multiple books, a clinical psychologist, former professor at Harvard and most importantly someone who has a YT channel with very nearly 7.5m subscribers.

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It's highly likely that JP is way smarter than me and highly likely that he's way smarter than 99% of his critics.
Not certain, merely highly likely.

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I plan on saying more about this in my next Q and A

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Can see why you are skeptical of the religious stuff, its not for everyone and I do believe in separation of church and state.

I think Climate change is too politicized and when money is involved I think there is room to question it but it should not be totally dismissed like some people do, its really sad where the climate change issue is in todays political landscape tbh.

I think he talks about Trudeau like that just to grab people attentions, I do agree that calling him a mustache twirling villain will push come people away and is not 100% true as well.

I can't wait to see your Q and A to and listen to all your opinions, even if I disagree with some things you say, you are usually open to discussion and have your ideas well put together in a way that can be debated.

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Well yeah man, that's the issue with talking about complicated shit it's so easy to misunderstand

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and I have no idea what you know and vice versa

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I think JP has a ton of good points, but his delving into a handful of derogatory topics has made him easily dismissable.
I 100% agree with @sharp karma about the level of power and control that corporations have with current society, and how anemic all of western politics has become.
Climate change has been exploited on both sides because there is gigantic sums of money and power to be gained.

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Pushing GHG levels and further change is very profitable for the western powers which see relatively few adverse effects, and have already profited from the force multiplier of fossil fuels.

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We are also the best suited to transition to alternatives, and further profit from huge sales of new tech, while also pushing the impacts of the mining etc on other countries.

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Given that these changes were documented in the 1970s I do not dismiss the possibility of conspiracy to hide, and abuse the coming changes for profit

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Much like nuclear energy was manipulated to produce weapons over better power generation in the 50s and 60s

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Until we can get meaningful electoral reform on the table the true power will continue to remain in the business interests.

Remember when the Party Not in Power™ promised electoral reform? Amazingly once they became the Party in Power™ the promise of electoral reform was dismissed with "the people don't want it"

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but honestly all this rings true to me

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it does feel like we are heading towards a collapse and no one is aware of it

sharp karma
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Learned helplessness

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even if some are aware there isn't agreement on what to do about it

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Some kind of collapse is inevitable. History isn't a linear story of progress

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empires rise and fall

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and it's silly to think that we somehow live outside of history

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even the whole democrat vs republican situation in america

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does it really make a big difference who wins

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at the end of the day the same people benefit

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the MIC and the other major corporations

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A dictatorship is a Government which Controls the media
Our democracies are Corporations which own the media which in turn controls the governments

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our Western society is built on a few major companies which are in turn owned by some mega corporations

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and they control EVERYTHING

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they even control the dating apps that most people use now

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they can literally control human breeding

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they will turn us into a farm to milk profits out of us

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the things we take for granted - our social connections, freedom of movement, love, among others will be taken away and / or monetised

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given a few years, if the system doesnt collapse we will be reduced to simple slaves

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and even if the system DOES collapse were not much better off

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there was a parasite

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i forgot which one

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that once it infects the host, the host is completely dependent on the parasite to live, if the parasite dies, the host does too

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thats how our system is

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if it collapses our society will then subsequently collapse

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leading to poverty, famine among other problems

sharp karma
hallow creek
# sharp karma Some kind of collapse is inevitable. History isn't a linear story of progress

Culturally, groups tend to view history in a very simple narrative. The ancient greeks thought of history as a cycle where everything repeated. Modern christiniaty sees history as perfectly linear where we started somewhere and will end somewhere. I think that the human story is one of linear (more accurately described as exponential) technological progress and cycles of great empires. Perhaps technology will stop progressing and go backwards in a mass catastrophe like climate change reaching its peak, but idk.

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Nah, if we can make a long term (ISS is 25 years old) habitable dwelling in outer space I don't think climate change will reduce us to stone age

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We'll lose some settlements (Maldives etc.) and might be forcibly downsized from famine, but we're at the point now where so much information is proliferated that we could rebuild in decades from effectively pre industrialization technology.

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I'm not saying humanity would go back to the stone age, that's absurd

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But I think that we could lose a lot of modern technological advancements that might take decades or centuries to reach again

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Because of loss of manpower and tech

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@sharp karma how realistic do you think that a scenario like that is? ^

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I think a massive technological disparity is coming.
Some people will live in a way that continues to push the frontiers of AI, Biotechnology, cybernetics and virtual worlds. But most won't I bet.

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Perhaps we see a surveillance state emerge that results in the vast majority living their entire lives as defacto prisoners

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My optimistic take is that we all collectively merge with a 3d virtual game such that we get to live as gods within our own bespoke matrix and or combine with the greater human/ai hive mind when we choose to. Giving up our coporeal bodies will be a great way to reduce your carbon footprint.

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The less optimistic take would be a complete collapse of our markets to serve us (since our entire economy is predicated on infinite growth) due to demographic shifts, aging populations, degrowth, deglobalisation and maintaining the futile link that a person's productive output should bear any relation to society providing them with what is necessary to live (at a decent minimum of course)

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as far as the shorter term I believe I will live to see not the collapse of the American Empire but a reduction in it's power and a new multi-polar political world emerge again.

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There is a very real possibility of losing a lot of our scientific knowledge if nothing ends up being stored analog and we experience a significant natural distaster or large scale war. Hopefully not, but history shows that with long enough time scales both are certainties.

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if that is not possible i would blow my brains out

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theres no way i would consider living a lie like that

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its just wrong

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that is living our lives as prisoners

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hasnt there been a black mirror episode on that or something?

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there are some fates worse than death

frozen crescent
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i will be honest, i dont know what it will entail

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its very hard to tell

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it will be a change

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what kind of change is difficult to tell

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clever crow
frozen crescent
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when theres a chance that my life isnt one

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Wow i never said you would be willingly immersed

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id take that chance over anything else

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All im saying is

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you dont

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there is no way for you to distinguish between living a ''real'' life or living a ''simulation''

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there is no way

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So the whole statement of ''this feals realer than being in a simulation'' makes no sense

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i disagree

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because there would be no way for you to determine the difference

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like this i personally believe that my life isnt a simulation

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if i were to be in a simulation i would know 100% its a simulation

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How would you know?

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What could you possibly do to conclusively determinet that you either live or do not live in a simulation

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because i would see myself being put in

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HUH????

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No you confusing me

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i have no 100% certainty that i am not in a simulation

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Why would that be the case

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Why would you see yourself being put in a sumulation

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but if i immerse myself in a simulation i would know its a simulation

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what if you are born inside a simulation

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But you just said you would know

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but if i willingly put myself in a simulation i would know its not a simulation

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and you claimed you could distinguish between real life and a simulation

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im saying that life right now feels real

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if i put myself in a machine that would not feel real

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not 100% relevant but i feel its pretty relevant and interesting

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have you ever heard of a game called SOMA?

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its based on the fundamental question "what is it like to be human"

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With a simulation we are not talking like a VR headset kinda simulation

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We are tallking full on SIMS

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Where life exists within a simulation

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Suppose a SIM would be conscious, how would it know it is in a simulation

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From their perspective, they are just born inside the world

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and they are real

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There is no way for them to get information from outside the simulation

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therefore they couldn't possible tell whether they are in a simulatoin or not

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you could only tell using outside information

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Therefore, my statement is that we as humans cannot possibly know whether we are in a simulation or not

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And you cannot possibly know whether it would feel different to live inside a simulation compared to real life

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because there is no way of distinguishing without outside information

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You may want to think you don't live in a simulation because the thought is more comforting

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But you cannot possibly KNOW whether that is true or not

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Thats all im saying

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its not VR

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just look at the wikipedia page for it

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its pretty philosophical

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a small minority for sure

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we dont allow drugs

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even though it makes some people happy

clever crow
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true some countries do

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but most dont

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weed is an exception i believe

clever crow
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and my point is not about slavery

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although i dont know the figures on what countries legalise weed or not

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it it makes you happy, what's wrong in it ... is the argument

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I could strengthen it and add stuff like "as long as you also dont hurt others", but you get my point

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my counterargument is why cant you take hard drugs in the comfort of your own home?

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Or even sell them to people who want to buy them

clever crow
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could you...explain that in context for the simulation?

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"and? If being a slave makes you truly happy, what's wrong in being one?"

clever crow
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yeah, so why is that wrong?

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so do you support slavery? If the slave is a willing participant?

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sure

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although now that i mention it

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one cant be a slave if they are not willing

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so if the slave is not a willing participant

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maybe, don't know exact definition

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can you support it?

clever crow
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thats my point right. Just let the people do what makes them happy

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but in terms of this simulation

clever crow
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very few people would willingly step into a fake reality to live in

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I just said, If, it makes them happy, it's fine

frozen crescent
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i firmly oppose any idea of metaverses or whatever

clever crow
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or this conversation we are having on Discord

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its not even a reality

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its a form of instant communication

clever crow
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could debate on that

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depends if someone uses the internet as another version of reality id say they probably need to speak to a therapist

clever crow
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that sounds like escaping reality to me

frozen crescent
clever crow
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people dont like living lies

clever crow
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we all do at some point

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clever crow
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we don't want to deal with it

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we just want to skip to the good part

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i agree

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but immersing yourself in a fake world is not a good way of doing it

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and imagine how easily monetised it would be

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you would be living in a corporate wet dream

clever crow
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(catching back on what u said)

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frozen crescent
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you cannot tell me that a meta verse like world wouldnt be used to control people better

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we already live in a mass surveilance state

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imagine if all your interractions proceeded through digital means

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that is what it will be

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regardless of whether you like it or not

clever crow
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how some super corporation can turn you into a money machine

clever crow
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don't overthink it

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this isnt something you dont overthink

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if it makes you happy, the rest doesnt matter

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that is definitely a wrong mindset

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it might make me happy to go on a stabbing spree

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it might make me happy to cut myself

clever crow
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even if u are controlled, as long as you happy, is there something wrong in it? that is the real question

frozen crescent
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the rest does matter

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how are you so comfortable with being completely controlled

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arent you horrified by the way our world is progressing

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its already bad and you want it to get worse?

clever crow
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but aaat the same time

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lets not diverge too much here, but aren't most religions controlling you, and yet people love them?

frozen crescent
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i believe in religion but i dont let it dictate my life

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religion is a moral compass for me as well as a faith

clever crow
frozen crescent
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it helps me determine right from wrong

clever crow
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u act according to it

frozen crescent
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there are degrees of control

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one of them controls me to make a prayer every so often

summer osprey
frozen crescent
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a digital world will control every other aspect of my life

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my physical life

clever crow
frozen crescent
frozen crescent
summer osprey
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its fine nvm

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just continue the discussion you have lmao

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all good

frozen crescent
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i gotta cut it short in a couple minutes - exam tomorrow 😭

summer osprey
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good luck brotherman

clever crow
clever crow
clever crow
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people that believe in destiny believe that actually

frozen crescent
clever crow
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?

frozen crescent
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have you ever seen ready player 1?

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it is a dystopian movie based on the same concept you are mentioning

clever crow
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that was ass 😂

frozen crescent
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it was a pretty boring movie ill be real with you

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but the concept can be equated i feel

clever crow
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the concept of simulation as been a concept humans have been thinking about for millennia I would assume

frozen crescent
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but that is what our world will become

clever crow
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maybe

frozen crescent
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where mega corporations monetise this digital world and plunge the world into poverty

clever crow
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thats already the case

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but go study

frozen crescent
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thanks

clever crow
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we can talk about that when you exams are done 😉

frozen crescent
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its a pretty easy exam tomorrow ive done my hard ones before, but i still gotta do some last minute rereading of my notes

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see you then

void arch