#Is reality real? Aliens?

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I'm curious to see what others think about reality in general. Are we prisoners in a computer matrix because we were all criminals in the "real world" and we are just serving life sentences here on Earth? Are we an alien experiment placed here on earth to see what would happen? Is there a higher dimension full of alien life that is just waiting for us to join them? Neil Degrasse Tyson said that if our oceans represent the universe and you take a cup of water out of the ocean, that represents how much of the universe we have discovered so would it be fair to say there are no fish in the ocean as well as no alien life in the universe? Discuss.

thorn nova
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I mean, the concept of reality is as real as our assumptions that reality exists. But I mean that on a more fundamental level, like existence in general.

If you're talking about whether the reality we perceive is the actual reality, that's most definitely a no, since we have some idea of how the brain processes the information we gather through our senses. But even that might be more general than you were asking.

If you mean to discuss whether we're a brain in a vat etc, there's no way to distinguish between that or a dream, or actual reality. And even if we would find some sort of evidence of the matrix or whatever, that would still be subject to the exact same uncertainty that is unfalsifiability.

gray shell
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An interesting read/study on this general topic of reality is Zhuang Zhou's Butterfly Dream. TLDR: Dreamed he was a Butterfly, upon awakening questions now if he is the butterfly dreaming he is a man.

hot harbor
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We are prisoners in the sense that we are subject to certain 'laws' of physics and prisoners of a whole system. But the beautiful thing about a prison, is that no prison is strong enough to eternally contain anything. Whether you say that the system was created by God, by aliens, or whatever you may call it/them, it was definitely created (No, most probably not by a big white bearded man in his cloudy office although the prospect would be hilarious) but by a 'beautifully intricate process of cooperation' we call God. You can call it whatever you want, it just comes down to consensus to name one thing or another. I understand why people are often tired of hearing the word God because yes, the word is an over simplification of a intricate phenomena and it can often be very limiting. But that is not a problem with the word itself, but rather a problem with the depiction of the phenomena some people stubbornly keep holding onto.

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You can say reality is a program (really, isn't a program like the matrix, just a simplified version/depiction of our reality?) But I understand what you mean, I'm pretty sure you are asking if we are in a program inside another more intricate program, and the answer is yes, no matter how you spin it. The earth in itself is a complicated program inside another more complex one just like everything else. Now maybe you are unsatisfied with that answer and rather want to know if we are trapped in a system by a more powerful entity that has malicious intent? Now that is a harder one to answer. I would guess it's both yes and no but ultimately no. I'll give you an example. A queen carpenter ant crawled onto my foot a couple days ago, and I brushed it off and trapped it into a plastic bottle. The ant queen probably quickly assumed I was of ill intent, however I was not sure yet. I did think of squashing it there on the spot because there is no way I am going to let an ant queen damage my home by creating a nest in it. But then I thought, I have another option: which was putting it in a bottle, piercing holes into it so that the ant could breathe, and then the next day, I brought it to work and released it in the woods.

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Now in this case, I began the interaction with the ant queen with some kind of ill intent (prioritizing in killing it to protect my home, but then I sort of modified my murderous plans and moved it far away instead. Why was I pushed to protect my home in that way? Because in a way, I am trapped by my home and it's fragility because of the wooden material it is made of. If it was made of stone, I would not care much for the ant. Why is the house made of wood? Because a stone house would have been too expensive for me and in a way, I am trapped by the limitations of the bank and the government and so on... and the predatory nature of banks could be argued to have ill intent when they manage us but again that is a question of opinion at some point of whether someone is of ill intent or not. But If you go on and on, you are bound to come upon some entity that is hard to refute as having ill intent. I just believe that on the whole, because of my beliefs in God and the way I understand things, that on the whole, most things are not of ill intent. Some may seem unfair, but I believe everything is fundamentally of good intent on the big scheme of things. But hey, apparently we are all aliens here on earth because we came from somewhere else before the earth was formed (when we were particles from outer space).

velvet quarry
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Aliens r real because we r real. Is our reality the true reality? If you believe in living beings have souls then I think our reality is not the original because of the brain. All life is experienced through the brain and it is through the brain we experience reality. A soul is what gives the brain a personality and allows the brain a unique way of interacting with the environment. If a soul determines how a brain functions, then the origin of the soul is the true reality. If you dont believe in souls then we are in the true reality because reality is created by the brain.

thorn nova
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What do you mean, "Aliens are real because we are real"?

velvet quarry
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I mean that because we exists and the universe is 13.8 billion light years wide

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It is extremely likely that there are other life forms out there, and to those life forms we are the Aliens

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And they are aliens to us

slate hill
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What I believe woodman is trying to say is that since we exist, we know life is possible in the universe. Now, although possible, it would be extremely unlikely that our planet is the only one with life on it. Since we know we exist, it is pretty much a guarantee there is other life somewhere in the universe. Actually, it is very likely pretty common for life to exist elsewhere.

slate hill
# velvet quarry Aliens r real because we r real. Is our reality the true reality? If you believe...

If you dont believe in souls then we are in the true reality because reality is created by the brain.

I don't agree. I don't believe in a soul, but I also don't believe true reality is created by the brain. The way I see it is that there is true reality. We live in that ''space'' and interact with it. However, we are not able to interact with all of reality. This means that our perception of reality is a mere subset of actual reality. No one will ever be able to interact with all of reality, hence the part we observe is only a subjective representation of reality itself

thorn nova
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And especially not as proof for aliens who created our world 😋

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And since there is not a single reason to believe that souls exist, reality is created by the brain? Then does me drinking a bottle of wine alter the entire universe?

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Since it definitely alters my subjective experience of it

slate hill
slate hill
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The fact we exist proofs that it is possible for life to form in the universe

hot harbor
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Another thing to consider is the size of the aliens. It’s said that mycelium (what creates mushrooms) came to earth from space a long time ago before us humans had even evolved yet. They would have spread around our earth, and we ingest them and they become part of us. Some even go as far as saying it is what permitted humans to become so smart and organized. Did the mushrooms choose us as their transporters? There are lots of similarities unique to humans and mushrooms. Fact check everything I said and look into it. I need to look much deeper into it. But my point is, we should not assume aliens will be anywhere close to our size. It might be very unlikely to be the case. Just think of the scope of scales.

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But trust the universe, it’s all happening for a reason, and even though we might get tossed around in the process, I like our chances because of our adaptability.

thorn nova
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