#Firebase hosting does support SSR with
wet hamlet
@raw summit what is the difference between firebase hosting vs. firebase app hosting?
raw summit
<@278611007952257034> what is the difference between firebase hosting vs. fireba...
essentially
pretty much everything is recapped here
but in short
Firebase App Hosting is the brand new thing made for Frameworks
And so in the end
Firebase hosting will be more for server redirections, files and static websites
whereas Firebase App hosting will be for web apps (PWA) and SSR websites
BUT
it's very very new
and so it means that currently there isn't much documentation about firebase app hosting
and also that it only supports Angular and Next.js
So based on the framework you wanna use
it might be a better solution for you to use the classical Firebase hosting with cloud functions as SSR
(they have an automatic tool that does everything for you)
then wait for them to release official support for your framework :)
(or just more documentation lol)
wet hamlet
got it, do you have any experience with universal apps deployments like nuxt?
i am trying to understand how firebase splits/handles the front-end vs. server routes part of things.
my current deploy is on heroku where there is a single nitro server running handling everything (front-end / server routes) but it seems with firebase this gets split and the server routes run on cloud functions? so not sure how that works with SSR
raw summit
haven't used nuxt in particular but i've been doing a lot of web stuff the past few years x)
raw summit
got it, do you have any experience with universal apps deployments like nuxt?
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yup exactly
essentially the cloud functions do all the server side stuff
(cloud functions is just a fancy name for a containerized Node server solution xD)
so in the end it really just runs your server
wet hamlet
so for each page route there is a cloud function rendering on the server before returning the payload? and if your page component is calling a server route it knows how to get to the cloud function where that function is hosted?
oh
raw summit
and the output of the SSR goes to firebase hosting kinda
raw summit
so for each page route there is a cloud function rendering on the server before ...
usually it works with a single cloud functions for all pages
wet hamlet
oh so in the end its just a containerized instance of the nitro server?
raw summit
kinda like a normal node server
raw summit
oh so in the end its just a containerized instance of the nitro server?
(not sure about nitro but i guess so)
but essentially it's a container for a JS script
(so it can run anything really)
wet hamlet
ah yeah sorry you mentioned you arent familiar with nuxt (nuxt uses nitro [ a wrapper around h3 from unjs] as the web server for universal apps)
raw summit
ah gotcha
wet hamlet
got it, i thought maybe they were somehow creating a unique cloud function for each server route
raw summit
so it's kinda an express server with additionnal stuff?
wet hamlet
exactly!
raw summit
ah yeah then it should run fine 👌
wet hamlet
h3 basically says that express sucks so they made a cool hipster new one
raw summit
got it, i thought maybe they were somehow creating a unique cloud function for e...
i think they're going with a single cloud function for every route that way they don't have to dynamically handle cloud functions when you edit your code
but also so it stays on when users change routes
otherwise if there was a brand new user accessing the website, it would cold start a new server for your first page (cloud function)
then when they change pages it would start another instance somewhere else x)
(would be kinda inefficient i guess)
wet hamlet
yeah makes sense
raw summit
so instead it keeps the instance running until it goes idle
wet hamlet
its funny they call it cloud functions vs. just a container for your backend
raw summit
yeah x)
wet hamlet
probably more people would be comfortable with that
raw summit
i think it's mainly due to it's original nature
wet hamlet
serverless functions always make people freak out caus they are hard to manage in complex situations
although the original promise sounded amazing
raw summit
when it was first released it was kinda sold as a way to run your code functions directly on the cloud instead of locally
like straight from your code
so i gueeess the name comes from there? xD
Oh found the documentation i was looking for btw:
you might wanna look into that
raw summit
what's a bit annoying though is that they don't show all the frameworks supported because it was kind of a test
wet hamlet
heroku has a really easy way to boot up a redis for your backend
raw summit
but I know svelte is supported for instance, yet it's not mentionned on the documentation .-.
wet hamlet
and if it has a cron server?
raw summit
but essentially just try to do a "firebase deploy" in the terminal and if it works it's supported, if it throws an error you gotta do what they say in the "express" part of the documentation pretty much xD
wet hamlet
k
raw summit
on firebase hosting can you run a redis server?
on google cloud very probably
wet hamlet
oh yeah on cloud run you can set it up
raw summit
and since Firebase is essentially just a cool interface with easy pre-made stuff for google cloud...
wet hamlet
but i wondered if there was something more convenient
raw summit
I don't think because they're heavily invested on their Firestore thing
wet hamlet
on heroku you can add it as a 'add-on' for a given project so it just gives you a redis server running in the same server as your backend app, so you can use all the default connection information and not have to manage any netowrking
same with a cron server
raw summit
(which kinda serves the same purpose in many cases?)
raw summit
Firestore is document based
so you essentially have "collections" of a lot of JSON documents
that can themselves have sub collections
and so on and so on
But
if you want you can have a single document
with all your key: value pairs
in short it's a document based NoSQL server
wet hamlet
gotcha
raw summit
(with very practical SDKs)
wet hamlet
ok wont work for my use case, im using bull for my queue https://www.npmjs.com/package/bull
which i think only works with redis
raw summit
imo if you already have something built atm
it might not be worth to spend time transitionning to firebase
raw summit
If I were you I would probably look into keeping it like this but just hosting it on Google Cloud
wet hamlet
working with GCP itself IMO is super annoying
everything there is so 'enterprise' obonoxius
raw summit
i wss thinking it would be nice if firebas was free 🙂
to be fair unless you're doing very-large scale stuff, it's essentially free ;)
I never paid a single cent to Firebase yet 🤣
raw summit
everything there is so 'enterprise' obonoxius
wet hamlet
yeah i was hoping not to as well haha
raw summit
GCP is tough yeah, and it has a steep learning curve at the start as well
wet hamlet
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like the fact that you go to 'demo' a feature and then it says, oh you need to enable this api for your account is like, .... i just said i wanted to demo it
raw summit
it's like they're purposefully doing it hard to understand sometimes lol
wet hamlet
that means i want it active
raw summit
x)
wet hamlet
also they have 0 architecture diagrams
and write documentation assuming you already understand the lifecycle of their services
and you're like dude i dont even understand what you're talking about!
raw summit
yeah totally get ya on that lmao
but in your usecase it might be still worth it to go straight to GCP if your project is large enough
because it's not "complicated"
as in like
wet hamlet
yeah in the case ill just use cloud run
raw summit
it's just hosting a web server + front end essentially if i got that right
so there must be a ton of videos on how to do that in a way that's optimized
wet hamlet
even that, like why call it cloud run
just call it hosting
it doesnt need a cool confusing name
raw summit
xD
I think it's to explicitely say it is constantly running kinda
like it's different than hosting on GCP
wet hamlet
oh fair
raw summit
(for instance Firebase hosting)
wet hamlet
or maybe spot servers
raw summit
(using cloud run)
wet hamlet
but so stupid in real life
raw summit
wait what's GCP Gemini?
wet hamlet
its gemini ai 'trained' on GCP documentation so you can ask it questions inside of GCP
and its supposed to help you troubleshoot stuff
or debug error messages
raw summit
but so stupid in real life
well.. could 🤣
