👂┇game-feedback

[jolly island]

Power bleed is worse, tbh.

[potent solar]

buff ideas

• m60: make it do additional damage to meshes, barricades, foliage and can eventually eat through walls. I want to feel more like rambo
• lockbolt: have it slowly draw in whoever is caught towards the center
• flamethrower: add a little bit more dmg at ultra close range

[visual pulsar]

So light r intended to be used as a scout class that can assasinate single ppl with burst dmg, the only gun that can do it without getting destroyed is xp54 imo,because medium having ak,fcar and famas with 250 hp is crazy,lights have mostly 0 chances to do it. And while u have ability to scount with the specialization u can do it outside only in big areas,and u cant scout in close spaces like buildings for example,because either u face a medium or heavy and u get destroyed for sure.

In S1 there was wallhack gadget for medium,tbh I liked it very much and the tweaked version of it wasnt that broken tbh.
Why not give light class that wallhack specialization,it would help them with the scouting ability in closed section and additionally find isolated targets to elliminate.

PLS ADD WALLHACK SPECIALIZATION THAT WAS ON MEDIUMS FOR LIGHTS,aswell as giving grapple a second charge because although cooldown is low its still doesnt feel better alternative than dash or invis

And adding pure deathmatch(ffa) would be great addition!!!

[vague maple]

Remove motion sensor from Medium, shit is annoying as fuck.

[dusty igloo]

I want my 301 rs back

[jolly island]

• CL40: 3 shots take down the toughest walls in the game. (Currently takes 6, which is insane because the gun only has 5 shots.)
• Add UMP45 on medium (literally the FCAR's stats, but with a new model and animations).
• Remake FCAR as a full auto duplicate of the Light's V9S, then reduce fire rate 20% (so it's TTK's are at the bottom of current AR kill speeds), make reload speed 40% longer, and push out damage fall off ranges from 15m to AR ranges (35-37.5m). This gives medium a solid non-shotgun option against heavies and 2v1 situations (IF he can survive long enough under all that enemy fire, of course).
• Give Pike red dot sight and either cut reload speed to 2.3s or cut reload speed to 2.9s AND increase mag size to 15 rounds
• buff medium turret by making them prioritize lowest-health enemies
• give medium turret bonuses against enemies who are hit by any form of detection. Instant target acquisition/turret rotation (so they can't hide behind it) and double it's damage against them while detected (call it head shots)

[upper citrus]

This doesn’t mean you need power creep? It’s not one or the other

[narrow atlas]

fix servers please ive been gaving mega lag and packet loss this week

[frank jungle]

calm down buddy the balance update is thursday

[dusty igloo]

This seeding system is wank, I solo queue into 2nd place, we need to get final round to gain any points which is obviously fucking impossible cause I solo queue so I lose points

[tawdry maple]

Buff tracking dart

[dry mason]

• Sending Party invitations, why can i NOT see if someone is already IN a party with someone when inviting? This is really annoying and some of my friends actually removed me as a friend because they claim I am always sending party invitations when they are already in a full party? Must be fixed.
• Sending Party invitations, sometimes players claim that they receive in-game party invitations from me. How is this even possible?
• Sending Party invitations, several times when I finished playing a tournament I am suddenly not in the party anymore (I believe it is due to the "Too long friends list" bug), however when sending party invitations to the players that I played with, they later say that NO party invitation was received - this despite I am sure I sent multiple times to all players in the previous party. This issue creates a lot of confusion at times.
• When in a party, some form of information must be presented to the party members about the players location and ping, if you play ranked and you find yourself on a server far away OR in another region (server location probably based on the other players location in the party), its just destroying your rank and it also makes a big negative impact on the players perception of how much fun this game is. Please fix this in one way or another. Add a country symbol over the characters head in the lobby or a color green, yellow, orange, red or something similar. Would probably also make a lot of in-game lag/bug issues disappear.

[crisp wolf]

How

[pale agate]

45 min Queue Off Crossplay 💀

[dry mason]

• Cheating. It is so obvious a huge amount of players are cheating in many different ways, wallhacks, radar, aimbots etc.
  When you are invisible as a light and standing completely still for a long period of time, hiding in a small pot in a far away location, and suddenly the same player that is the ONLY player that killed you in the round, but he has killed you multiple times in the round, uses the dematerializer on the wall you have behind your back and shoots you in the head. And I am not talking about one time, in one game, this happens several times in one single game to everyone in the same team, its not a random move, its not a lucky once in a lifetime thing, it happens all the time. There is even top players in the leaderboards making videos bragging about this. I have reported over 500 cheaters the last 3 months, And I have checked the leaderboards, 400+ are still playing. And when they are banned, they just start a new account under a new name. Must be a way to hardware ban these players. At least link some form of identification to the account, bank-id, passport number, bank card, social security number or something similar, why not all of the above. Then the person will have a hard time creating unlimited new accounts without actually beeing completely illegal.
• As a club owner. I would like to be notified when someone in the club is suspected of cheating. I have seen one of my club members ranked score go from 50.000 down to 0 in the middle of the season. In my mind this must be because of some kind of violation. I would like to be notified as a club owner, with member names, ID etc who these players are and why they are flagged as cheaters. I do not want them in my club, to me they are just big time loosers.

[high wing]

Embark really need to step up. I understand we got an skeleton crew on this game because of Arc raiders, but nothing looks good for arc raiders when the finals are lacking to most basic functions and features.

• no ingame profiles - ALL FPS GAMES HAVE THIS
• no match history - ALL ONLINE GAMES HAVE THIS
• no personal stats on classes, weapons, specializations and gadgets
• no community stats on classes, weapons, specializations and gadgets
• no ping indicator
• no direct DMs
• not properly showing ingame status in friendslist (e.g game time, round, etc)
• not fixed and working netcode
• not fixed proper hit registration
• still no functional and fair respawn system - it keep getting worse - should be high priority, it is really awful right now
• no proper and clear stats on weapons (numbers)
• no ranked solo queue mode
• still spectating enemy with aimhack and wallhack when getting killed
• defib nerf? still too strong
• no local currency prices on ingame shop (EU will eventually force embark to change this)
• audio is still broken
• balance is just straight up bad and shallow, no depth at all
• matchmaking utterly horribe, you want equally good players in your team, nothing else. The RS system is one of the worst MMR system I've experienced

Embark is just showing they do not care about their game other than selling skins in the store. Such a dissapointment a year after release to still be in such a alpha / early beta phase.

[hidden idol]

Before a match begins I want the option to dodge the game so I don't have to deal with COD deathmatch bots on light

[vestal coral]

Buff AKM end Fcar

[smoky gust]

tracking dart, while niche, used to be at least decent at letting you secure a kill on someone
the increased amount we got is nice, but with how short it lasts now it competes too much with sonar grenades, the extra effort/drawbacks such as los requirement aren't really worth it a lot of the time

i think it would be fine if it got its old duration back while keeping the current ammo

[red arch]

please never talk about the fcar again

[jolly island]

Please never tell me what to talk about again.

[pine grove]

DLSS 4 by default please

[lost patrol]

Yeah that's fair. Still wish there was an actual way to send suggestions in. I've seen some good ones here before.

[untold dawn]

I didn’t play season 4 because of my game freezing for 1-3 minutes after every game and as a ranked grinder I would loose my squad because people were waiting to play with my team as well the game is unplayable on ps5 if your competitive you ruined your game and it’s still not fixed I just want to genuinely thank y’all for ruining my favorite game 👍

[proven crown]

I feel like door hinges should be movable with your momentum like other fps games (not just the sprint at door to open function)

[autumn oyster]

Please don't hardly nerf Charge'N'Slam! This is the most fun part of playing Heavy

[nova osprey]

No, they are not intended to be a scout class, they are intended to be a hit and run class, the xp is actually worse then the m11, db, and v9, do you his is also wrong, and the wall hack special, otherwise known as recon sense does not need to be given to lights, as we already have sonar grenade

[mortal notch]

Revert sword to s3

Remove bloom from goo gun
Buff the m60 dmg falloff or the firerate and ammo count
Nerf CnS and model
Slightly buff a number of underpowered weopons
Eg:make the fire stack/proc faster on the Cerberus

Please don’t break another promise
You guys promised a “meta overhaul” at the start of s5 nothing happened
And now your promising “key adjustments to the overall game balance”
+
Please remove plug meta and rework cashout (even revert it back to s1/2)

[noble path]

fix backstab from the front with dagger, and remove the instakill from cloak meta from lights, it is destroying this game.

[long arrow]

uninstalled 🙂 i gonna cook with valorant community cause vanguard anti cheat is better

[turbid river]

Sincerely, vanguard is not that good but I get it

[rugged temple]

Valorant is pushing it please don't do this to yourself 🙏

[leaden tangle]

I was almost in agreement up to the defibrillator part onwards, except for the RS

[quartz dirge]

let glitch nades either nullify entirely or stall the defib for the duration of the glitch

[warm epoch]

letting your game die because you can't be bothered to make simple quality of life changes...

[celest snow]

Punish people for leaving in tournament ranked,give the other team mates double XP or they get no minus for that game

[glad vector]

Why cant we have people in the practice map for 1v1 or warmups tg like it would be amazing to be able to do that

[vestal coral]

reduce the time you are blinded by flash bangs. I'm hating these flashes 😂

[sand hazel]

first off these servers need to be taken care of. it seems like it gets worse and worse in each update. the desync just screams out at you when your using melee weapons. i get more and more misfires from trying to switch to gadgets than in seasons past. main gripe aside small requests for niche weapons: be able to block the charge and slam with the riot shield, the point of both of these is to punish players who get close but as a riot shield you have no way to counter the charge besides avoid them and it just feels wrong that you can block just about any other form of damage. let the KS destroy stuff faster, not really needed just more so of a small hope, it would be so much more viable if it didnt take my entire mag to destroy a wall

[long arrow]

+99999 but embark still no cares

[tepid tapir]

what a miserable experience this game is, lagging out and getting stuck in place for 10 seconds, lagging out after every match and disconnecting from parties because of it, having weapons glitch and not work properly... im running on a good pc and a decent connection... please fix your client

[naive gust]

single player map exploration / local offline usage should be permitted. As well as 1v1 lobbies. An unused within official games but highly useful option for local games, the ability to disable timer / free for all style no objectives.

[olive vector]

PLEASE don't tell me you are seriously nerfing Dash?! It doesn't need nerfing!!!

The only thing that needs nerfing is doing combos with the dash. I.e dash sword stab

[sterile canopy]

it's not a permission thing, a clientside implementation of much of the game doesn't exist

[naive gust]

ingame profiles, match history and personal stats on classes, weapons, specs, and gadgets (which would inadvertantly create community stats data too) ALREADY FREAKIN EXISTS THEY HAVE JUST, FOR SOME REASON, REFUSED TO MAKE IT VISIBLE TO PLAYERS 😭 💀 The evidence for this is the fact that there are literally achievements that track these things, which would be impossible if steam couldnt access some type of outside data. As well as nonconfirmed evidence but high likelyhood that the devs use this data we dont have access to in order to make decisions for balancing, etc. This discord server and reddit make up such a small minority of this game with an already small player base. This game somehow has less than a skeleton crew for developers. 💀 It's so sad. The game has a lot of potential and I've never enjoyed a game more than The Finals since TF2. I, and many others, are passionate about this games success, and I'm sure the developers are too. We just get upset and angry that there's such a great game underneath the layers of lack of polish.

[reef jasper]

A lot of people, myself included, love this game and want to see the best for it. The game has been on a steady decline unfortunately.

so.. please keep that in mind and try to consider some of the folllowing:

before we get salty, know that I’m Diamond in ranked and solo q A LOT

• RS Gain/Loss ratio leaves most players frustrated above anything else

• as you climb rank, you can expect longer queue times, it’s how games work… so Diamond/ruby only lobbies. Would benefit everyone. More fun and equal matches.

• charge and slam is too powerful

• famas and lh1 run the game on ranked

• aside from competitive focused changes like the above, try to cater to new players by adding new map variations and such.

• world tour should stay as is / ranked should be only the final
  (Create a more obvious difference between the two)

• remove terminal attack you have too many game modes and not a big enough player base to support that

• you need some (more) marketing team members to help get the game more attention
  (I actually am working on certifications for this and would love to talk , as a side note)

[peak sand]

I have been using dagger light in ranked and I would really appreciate it if the dagger had a instant ting or glimmer when backstab is charged to assist with timing it. It is unclear outside of an animation glitch when the dagger is charged.
Also please actually shake up the meta or gather usage statistics from matches, I think the community being able to see the results is important as well. I still see 90 percent of lights using lh1, Its just really boring to fight lh1 sweats, but I am not sure how the patches actually affect pick rates

[torpid sky]

and make it explode on impact

[mortal notch]

Revert defib and make glitch “stop” the revive

[naive gust]

That literally isnt true. The fact the game was developed, proves the fact that it can run entirely client side. If performance is the issue because of destruction physics or whatever then that's up to the responsibility of the user within an offline game or host of a local game. You can even literally search up early development footage of the game running directly within Ureal Engine, testing out various things like destruction, goo, movement, etc. Also if the game couldnt be run client side because it "doesn't exist" how would developers ever be able to use direct gameplay for testing, promotional, demonstrational purposes, etc. ?

[patent dirge]

Just a small change: the ability to switch sights mid game (either when you die or at the start of the match)

[brave copper]

Asking for recon sense back in the game is wild. I hope they don't even consider this idea for a millisecond.

[jade sky]

The finals map maker????

[hard river]

it is a pleasure plas with these people who left ranked game.... I LOVE THIS GAME!!!

[tepid summit]

this game is peak

[ripe herald]

Yeah

[alpine glacier]

Buff turret

[indigo flume]

That looks more like a hit-reg issue than a nerf... like... am I blind or did he take no damage at all there? Like that was clearly a hit on your end but it didn't register at all on theirs.

[minor notch]

shadow nerfed 😔

5.7 hidded patchnotes was

removed dagger's ability to do damage because instakilling is way too op

[boreal sentinel]

Please add a Vitas - The 7th element ( ha ha ha blublublu ) as a sound emote

[distant sluice]

Fortune Stadium: the map where one grenade can bring down an entire sky scraper

[winged wadi]

Nerf +30 % balance!!!!!!!!

[fluid willow]

I woke up in the middle of the night and remembered that there is one game feedback that I haven't mentioned yet. I want kill special effects and sound effects, all kinds of kill special effects and sound effects. It can be sold as DLC or appearance. If this workload is too much, please customize the season-exclusive kill special effects. It will be boring to explode gold coins all the time. It's better to explode diamonds, baby.

[keen lily]

fix the time estimates in the matchmaking, why does it say time estimate 1 minute if it's over 5, it's not even close

[glass fjord]

Gonna keep saying it. Let me spend 5k vr's to reroll my randomly assigned player number that i hate.

[lapis oriole]

Make Fortune Stadium actually match current sponsors

Engimo -> Dissun cyberpunk car instead of a dragonfly
Holtow -> Vaiiya with a flying fridge instead of a card

[onyx trellis]

Suggestion:
Show a progress bar that indicates the progression towards the next badge level/tier.

[proper crescent]

The new sponsors have suspended structures on bernal

[vital hollow]

Intros & Player Card Stance

Devs should create a preview of what the emote stance will look like on your player card prior to purchase. Also your player stance shouldn’t have to be your intro, they should all be separate selections.

[spare topaz]

Buff KS-23

[vernal horizon]

Nerf that hammer for heavy it got way to much range i got killed through a piece of map by that f weapon

[upper citrus]

Balancing around hard counters is a bad idea

[mortal notch]

Nerf dual blades

[trail nimbus]

This ^

[oak kernel]

The only change charge and slam needs is ramp up damage. It needs to not do 100% damage the second you press Q. It can still ramp up quick and be used to win fights up close, but it shouldn't be a "get out of jail" card for the heavy when they're in a massively losing scenario. I've taken 100 damage what felt like near instantly before as a medium, but I feel like that should be closer to 50 on activation (slightly more than a quick melee), then the second hit is 75% of the full damage, then every other hit is normal.

This'll keep it as a good "finish off", "chase down", or "get off me" tool, but won't be this annoying "I win" button.

[surreal meadow]

crashed from a match causing me to lose 750RS

thanks embark 👍
please make the game more laggy every update, the season 3 performance patch did the exact opposite of what it was intended to do. never had any issues until season 3

[tribal spoke]

Please change the dual blades by removing the combo and replacing it with a flat 55/55 damage slash. It fixes heavy/light breakpoints without touching medium... Why does the third attack exist and why does the second attack deal more than the first?

[twilit sand]

remove rng from the ks23. why do all shotguns except the ks23 have random spread?

[brisk tangle]

Embark, i am once again begging you to not nerf the current weapon with the most pick rates, please rebalance the weapons who are getting the lowest pick rate to be more viable.

[tall spoke]

HO, i missed a couple days. but. DAY 20 OF ASKING FOR 5V5 CASHOUT

[north oar]

damn that would be nuts

[ebon isle]

Idk why the cool "finaliser" deals 50% less dmg than the first 2

[sleek edge]

5v5 quick cash as well? 5v5 TDM? more 5v5 game modes in general would be great. It sucks when more friends want to play and the only options are the current modes which are very lack luster IMO. Also better custom game interface and options would be nice. just my 2 cents

[rigid shale]

still not banned yet

[vital hollow]

1000% agree

[jaunty wolf]

I would like to keep the feedback pertaining to randomized weapon skins alive and well. With the amount of AKM skins available, it would be nice to select which skins you respawn with, changing everytime you die.

[prime junco]

GUYS IMAGINE
next season ranked is 6v6 but the rules dont change. team splits on 3 and 3 and fight other 3 and 3 teams and everything is the same. 2 cashouts 2 vaults ect you can change strats and switch with team mates bitwin cashaouts ect

[nova flower]

Dual blades buffs that should hopefully not make it near useless!!

• Change damage ratio from 50/50 60/60 65 to 55/55 55/55 90
  Gives dual blades more offensive pressure by allowing it to follow up with a quick melee after the first set hit of hits to kill a light. Normally, this requires hitting the light with the second set of hits. This also changes the optimal combo to kill a heavy from a,b, quick melee, a to just simply a,b,c quick melee, while leaving the optimal combo for medium unaffected. Buffing the final hit damage to 90 also makes it feel more like a finisher as 65 damage is quite low for melee.

• Fix deflect consistency at close ranges
  Deflect feels fine at medium range but extremely inconsistent at closer ranges, missing the vast majority of the time or just not working at all if the opponent is too close.

• Increase deflect range against melee attacks and fix deflecting hits like sword m2
  Should help with consistency issues when it comes to deflecting stuff like sledge hammer, charge n slam and the like.

• Deflecting a melee hit deals twice the damage the user received to the opponent.
  Deflecting a quick melee does 10 damage to the dual blades user, so the opponent would instead take 20 damage. This makes it so deflecting melee has an offensive presence as well, making dual blades a niche pick for countering melee.

• Fix the inspect glitch
  i wanna see the animation i have equiped not the default thanks embark

[tall spoke]

i mean well yeah 5v5 quick kash, i dont want a competitive 5v5 mode it wouldent be good @spare topaz check hevy build main

[spare topaz]

How do I get good with the KS-23

[harsh panther]

Ranked system is still a joke
I wouldn’t mind the harsher penalties for losing compared to the earlier seasons if the actual ranked mode wasn’t a good chunk related to factors that aren’t in your control and aren’t easy to play around (especially as solo queue)
Even winning half the time feels like you just got lucky because it’s entirely possible that you just won’t get pushed the whole game due to how spawn systems work, and the other half of the time you will get third partied on every cashout regardless of the pacing of the match
I don’t even want to discuss the meta for why I dislike ranked because embark seems to be allergic to listening to player feedback

[whole dragon]

Patiently waiting for turrets to be finally nerfed.

[thorny depot]

Just don’t stand in front of them 🗣️

[fierce valve]

Nerf MGL

[dusty igloo]

Game fully froze, restart my PC and reconnect and I still lose 800 points cause for some reason I was told that I abandoned match

[bleak fern]

fix the netcode

[quick coyote]

you still playing the game?

[long arrow]

again a cutie afk matchmaking , thx embark u carry your community , continue like that ❤️

[hearty bough]

Surely you jest

[latent niche]

Is it just me or is server performance better this last week?
Also please add more discord quests

[main knot]

They Just hide the server icon

[oak kernel]

It'd be awesome to get a massive QoL update in general. More social features, two more loadouts, lots of fixes, chat being expanded to console (along with m&kb), club qol changes like chat timestamps, randomization for skins like a random button or a random toggle for different skins every match, and so much more.

There's tons of qol changes this game could use. The social features alone are a crime

[long arrow]

rename the game " the finals" > the afks

[keen light]

Nerf LH1

[wanton dock]

please buff revolver to kill lights in 2 body shots & one head shot, fighting them with revolver is difficult with their speed & high dps making it very hard to win an engagment against them without a clear advantage like height

[quartz dirge]

no

[weak anchor]

please i beg

[torpid sky]

nuh uh

[north eagle]

a touchup to the destruction would be very nice. maybe some better rubble effects, different materials could break in different ways, and maybe bullets could chip pieces off of terrain

[devout grotto]

are LH1 and M11 ever getting nerfed? they are the cheesiest no skill free kill things in the game.

[mighty rune]

LH1

[foggy nymph]

Try glitch grenade, goo grenades, data reshaper, a single shot from the goo gun... shooting them? Turrets are the weakest spec in the entire game with the longest cooldown in the game.

The only time they are annoying at best is power shift, where 3-5 can be found on or around the platform in most games. Still it's more an issue of the game not being balanced around 5v5 modes than an issue with the turret itself though.

[patent wind]

can yall release the midseason a day early. im starved of balance changes

[nova osprey]

Turrets do not need a nerf, nothing about them does, you genuinely just have a skill issue

[smoky gust]

i really hope the midseason update addresses stun gun and charge n slam invalidating melee weapons

[unborn crown]

Skull emoji reaction

[near scaffold]

disconnected from a game cuz wifi issues, wifi comes back no less than 10 seconds after, I get put into a new game instead of the ongoing game i disconnected from?

[high frost]

OI WHAT THHE HELL MAN!! HAD A DISCONNECT STRAIGHT AWAY ON RANKED, CAME 5TH WITH 2 BUT LOST 700 RS FIX THAT NONSENSE WOW!!!!!

[sterile patrol]

U get nothing for reaching top 500 in WT.. you can play ranked and go for top500...

[sinful drift]

Most unbalanced, horrible matchmaking, combination of the worst gameplay I've ever seen in around the 15 years I've been playing games. Broken guns, broken abilities, broken heavy class. Unnecessarily high limits for world tour rank-ups, this game needs remedied. In its current state it is not fun to play. If you have fun playing this game, you probably don't get off of it.

[opal ocean]

Enable mouse and keyboard support for console or improve aim assist

[fair pasture]

nerf charge and slam, nerf stun gun

[bold vine]

-feedback

[spiral light]

Feedback channel FAQ

⭐ What is this channel for?
Constructive feedback (positive and negative) and suggestions about the game.
⭐ What is not meant for this channel?
Bug reports (see #1201841543926005810), cheater reports (please make them in-game or send them to support). Spam, toxicity and messages intended to troll/bait will be removed.
⭐ Do devs read this channel?
Yes, the channel is read and tracked. However, the dev team will rarely react or respond directly.
⭐ Should I ping anyone to leave feedback?
No, just drop it here. We can handle it! Please also avoid pinging Embarkers (blue roles) - it will not get your feedback to them faster.

[jaunty tulip]

Nurf cns

[grim violet]

when you mute someones text chat, it should mute their ping spam as well 👍

[surreal meadow]

preach, 5 stacks have no cash gamemode variant

[frail iron]

i have 10+ games straight queueing solo or duo and every single time the third player either gets disconnected or is afk and if i get lucky enough to see the guy actualy play the game its like hes not only playing The Finals for the first time but FPSs in general.
Im just so tired of geting teamed up with total anchors pls embark do something with this.

[weak valley]

Don’t neglect powershift

[distant cedar]

party up in the vc

[dire sage]

bro i really need to throw emotes on lobby, I get bored just fliping it around

[merry anvil]

.... what?

[still crater]

Heavy class falls into one of two categories, which is when the he is either too weak or too strong. Let’s look at the heavy too strong category first. he can be a major powerhouse due to all the “health” he gets an on top of that his weapons don’t do terrible damage, but I believe heavy is forced to play either a Lewis gun or a shack to be competitive because the reason I think heavy is too weak is because he is forced to play certain guns otherwise he doesn’t outpace the damage of his head being blown open because every other class the other two classes have guns with great headshot multipliers making it so that heavy is 350 health feels like three health then on top of the fact that he can only play a certain guns because otherwise he can’t outpace damage and his guns are either too limiting have slow reloads or take a while to wind up things I would do to buff heavy would be to increase his health to 400 to increase the range of all of his primary weapons, basically his Melee and his flamethrower, which are so niche in the game on a competitive chart and give the RPG a second shot before the cool down this comment is gonna sound more like a grocery list than actual feedback but this is all just my opinion so I’m not really sure what you’re expecting. I just think heavy is so underpowered considering he’s called heavy like I would easily trade my movement speed for more health without question. adding a cool down was the worst thing to ever be added to the menu screen

[stoic cradle]

Idk what they did to spawns in WT but having 3 teams on one Obj while the other team just gets to sit around is not a very good way to do things

[surreal meadow]

sequel (third game of the day btw, previous was first)

suspension + lost 1K because of the UE crash message thats been in the game since Season 3

been occurring since S3/S4, nothing has been fixed despite going to posts online or your support desk

i want to play but i continuously crash, how am i suppose to play a game thats had a game breaking, frequent, bug since 6 months ago?

id like to ignore the 40fps (despite 120 in chaotic matches S2) ive been continuously getting if youd fix this issue

[quick rampart]

are people who want charge slam nerfed light mains? as a medium heavy player I don't really see a problem with it. The slam bit is powerful yeah. Maybe the problem is that it does the same damage on the ground or off a building. It could do more damage the higher you slam from. Thoughts.

[brittle obsidian]

this is literally how it already works

[polar spire]

possibly add more lunge to the riot shield?

[random lake]

Hello! This is my first time posting here...

I'd like to suggest a solo queue feature. Matchmaking separate from general queue (where you'd get all of the above). Solo queue would essentially prevent you from matching against stacks and boosted/boosting accounts that essentially use comms and most time cover each others backs. The teamplay would come naturally from randoms playing as a team or at the very least from the top teammate carrying, but to a reasonable level, not against a stack. I understand clubs were made for a reason but I believe there is a place for solo queuers that for whatever reason, are not part of a club, don't have club members or aren't actively playing together.

Love you Embark, and I love The Finals; keep cooking!

[frank zodiac]

woah i never though of that, for me i appreciated the gamestyle of learning to work with others, im bad at videogames but i love shouting comms with others

[pastel flax]

I'd love to see more variety in Powershift Maps. Fortune Stadium seems like an ideal map to throw into rotation, but more generally, it would be amazing to count on each new map having coverage for all game modes.

I know that's a big ask, but tbh the vision of The Finals is a massive one and I know Embark can crush it :] Keep up the good work.

[still crater]

A cool mode would be a 5V5V5 cash out quick cash game mode to give the large groups more variety Another event that would be really fun is we have an event called high gravity, or we should have an event called low gravity, where instead of the gravity being really light the gravity is very high in which case bullet drop would be immense and players would not be able to jump at all so they’d have to use the terrain to their advantage or disadvantage. I believe this would be very balanced for heavy’s because in low gravity, it’s nearly impossible to get kills with a heavy so if we had something like high gravity, it would be a disadvantage towards lights and mediums, kinda like the shoe on the other foot

[simple abyss]

May we get bananas as a lower back ornament? My sasquatch is hungry.

[dusk sigil]

I think you should revert the cashbox back to when the amount is was worth was based on time left, a final cashbox can get put in for 1 minute and is worth 2k less than the first two cashboxes combined (15k vs 17k) that doesnt make sense

[nova osprey]

It’s a low IQ light player, the actually smart ones give reasons, of which there are plenty. A 130 damage by pressing a single button is ridiculous, and the fact it’s immediate and can be done multiple times is not in the slightest bit balanced

[polar spire]

reduce the recoil on like all the meduim full auto ars

[neon burrow]

Add jiggle physics and feet revealing skins

[buoyant linden]

Add the ability to appear offline on Embark account (in-game)

[cunning spruce]

the new spawn system is really not great. just spawned 30m from a team on Skyway with only one easy route towards the box. makes Bernal really annoying to play on Quick Cash too, two teams fight and one gets a free cash out.

[dark niche]

i like the intent of high gravity but that would suck so bad im sorry.. 😭

[next flax]

Can U please fix the shot queuing/ oversampling because I don't know about anyone else but I can't use any semi auto/burst guns without it being an issue

[sleek sigil]

buff the slide cause theyre useless and turn off slide fatigue cause in 2025 is just cringe

[calm bane]

NERF CHARGE N SLAM

[devout grotto]

@quick rampart why did you copy paste my comment

[hard river]

Embark, please could you rework heavy hook because this is very broken, so many times the hook isn't proper like when i try to hook cashbox it's just miss it and take another item next to it and etc and also the range is incredible low. I would be happy if you could have look at it, thank you!

[quick rampart]

are people who want charge slam nerfed light mains? as a medium heavy player I don't really see a problem with it. The slam bit is powerful yeah. Maybe the problem is that it does the same damage on the ground or off a building. It could do more damage the higher you slam from. Thoughts.

[wanton dock]

I do love that idea, could be intensive on lower spec computers & consoles so things like rubble effects should be attached to a quality setting like 'destruction effects'

[violet matrix]

Why are they letting the game die? It's a great game, there are many things that can be implemented to improve it but they simply decided to be a bad team and let the game die by adding new skins to see if they can get a little extra money that will surely be used for ARC Raiders, which has less of a future. than to The finals.

I sincerely want you to move forward and manage to take the game to the top, but the way things are currently going I regret having invested my money in you buying skins and a battle pass.

[regal arrow]

This game is painful playing solo please add a solo feature doesn’t have to be ranked it can be just bank it type of mode

[patent wind]

UE crash messages have been in the game since open beta? the game is made in unreal engine genius. every type of crash is a UE crash

[surreal meadow]

its the SAME ue crash, same message, every time

going to the embark support desk or threads online for the "fix" doesnt work
ive seen posts on this specific bug since S3 and no response on how to fix it

thats my complaint, "genius"

i wouldnt care if it was once in a while, but its getting to be 2-3 crashes over 4-5 min, a tournament for me; more frequently in ranked matches

[coral axle]

hey embark, listen to the devs that have been screaming about serious concerns about unreal engine 5 practice's including the devs from threat interactive. Your better start thinking of the future of your game studio that relies completely on unreal. your studio need to be prepare for the future disruption of unreal engine down fall. I hope your devs realize that unreal is bare in feature for performance, optimization and stability as a company move on to something more robust of a engine, or please show your voice with 1,000s of other devs to epic to make actual change.

I love the the finals and the idea of arc raiders, but problems need to be faced, I wish nothing but the best for the amazing devs at embark.

God Speed!

[marsh halo]

"Rank score and fair play"

"Fair compensation: If you experience an unfair match, your Rank Score will be adjusted Promptly"

Sooooo, maybe make ranked fair in the first place? Unranked in Ruby lobbies, Silver etc...6 stack teams...Xim, Not getting score equal to skill level.

They type out a whole essay but do none of the work...

Everyone talks about how amazing S1 and S2 were, yet they purposely stray away from that in the name of "Listening to the community" ... 😐
That is quite the opposite.

[jolly island]

There isn't a method of making enemies visible past about 50m that I know of (or 30m, if it's foggy, not because the movement isn't there through the fog it's just too blurred to tell what's player movement and what's motion blur as you move), which has to be the single most disappointing thing I can think of for the game.

It's well overdue for a performance optimization pass and options to disable unnecessary high load graphics effects.

[tribal spoke]

How am I only getting 1400 in a lobby like this

[hollow cedar]

What do I do if my friend is false reporting me?

[modest patio]

glitch mine rework where it acts more like the barrel causing an explosion of about 50 damage and a 6 second glitch, waht do we think chat? im trying to think of a way to make them less oppressive when it comes to the constant glitch they provide mid fight but the damage might be too much

[plush grotto]

bro, ill get +100 for 4th seed...

[languid valley]

Dont worry bro, in the same lobby this is what I get 🙏

[surreal eagle]

A few things
:nerf shotgun from 280 dmg back to 195
:nerf knives by 20 dmg
:nerf Lh1 dmg in half
:buff model 1887 with 20dmg
:buff famas 3dmg

[maiden shell]

You ruby or smth?

[short widget]

difficulty: very easy be like:

[waxen thicket]

Remove Terminal Attack, add that Battle Royale mode from Hyperscape

[desert moat]

Holy shit, yes.
The final round being the crown and when someone takes it is when EVERYONE stops what they're doing and starts hunting the guy holding the crown down.
Vivid memory, but my god it gets messy real fast.

[tribal spoke]

Please change the dual blades by removing the combo and replacing it with a flat 55/55 damage slash. It fixes heavy/light breakpoints without touching medium... Why does the third attack exist and why does the second attack deal more than the first?

[dusty marsh]

kinda lame that discovery doesnt recognize when new audio devices are added. having to restart an entire client to get voice to work feels so 2012

[sinful saffron]

CRAZYZIEST. GAME. EVER.

[untold willow]

I and many others would rly like to see a return of the strength of xp to compete with LH1.
17 dmg with 32 bullets with an option for the old reticle would be perfect IMO (you could even reduce the range modifier to keep the dmg at range as it is now)

[lavish kite]

listen to the players

[pliant lily]

W game!

[half yarrow]

Can you please add the rest of the maps to terminal attack (if you're gonna have that mode in the game, please give it some love!), it's getting boring playing the same maps over and over again :/
And we're always 4 players, so cashout is not an option (sadly, since that is the best mode in the game)

[azure wasp]

Please fix Kyoto or remove it

[sterile patrol]

He's not your friend...

[oak kernel]

Can we add a duos mode that's 2 v 2? I think that'd be a fun little mode. Could be like a miniature koth thing with a vault that's ticking down from the start. Whoever controls it last wins the round. Best of 3.

Would take place within a small, confined area of the map each round. Think of 2v2 gnashers in gears of war, or something similar.

I think a mode like this would keep with the theme of flexibility with game mode compositions. I thought 2 v 2 would be more interesting and controlled because it specifically limits you heavily.

[wraith dome]

dlss 4 for the 30 series out yet?

[thick sorrel]

Notes the mid-season balance Patch 5.8.0 needs

Modes
Ranked

• No Rank Showcase in the beginning of the match
  (you see 1 Ruby/Diamond team and you have 3rd party right from the start)

• Fixed Spawn Distance to 100-150 Meters

• Wipe penalty increased from 10% to ~20%
  to mitigate 3rd party

• Plug bonus reduced from 30% to ~20% and add mid-hold bonus 20%
  to reduce the impact of plug only playstyle

• Quitters should take over +50% RS lost for each Teammate
  Reconnect time should be extended for Potato PCs

• Merge World tour and Ranked to 1 Game Mode (make emerald achieveable by any wins, independent from the game mode)

• Less Game Modes overall, instead LTM in rotation (Steal the Spotlight, Solo Bank it, Power S, Terminal A, new modes - with 2x XP)

Specializations
Cloak

• Rework: Activates like Thermal (you can't shoot out of cloak); some sort of buff as compensation.
  This way you can't easily jump on players instantly.
  Charge & Slam
• Rework or cut damage in half
  Winch Claw (Stun Gun 2.0)
• Rework or slow the catch and pull animation down

Weapons
Model 1887

• Wider and random spread - perfect cross, really?
  Revolver
• Increase Magsize from 6 to 8
  Famas
• Slightly increase recoil
  LH1
• Slightly increase recoil
  XP54
• Damage increase from 16 to 17
  M11
• increase Reload time

Gadgets
Stun Gun

• Rework: you need to HOLD it, so you can't shoot your primary
  this way it becomes a team gadget and the counter would be, stick to your teammates

[cunning jewel]

Hello devs, i would like to adress to someone this issue: i have been playing world tour and in the last 8 games i have been doing duo with my friend and we had 6 guys going afk, the gaming experience is ruined by that, also we have been on ranked queue for more than 25 mins and nothing, we have been playing for 2 and a half hours and we did not even pass a round!

We are silver 1, and this is the average experience, nickname Yuri#5650 if you wanna investigate the issue
This thing of matchmaking is ruining the whole game, do something!

[round hornet]

Whatever the fuck embark is cooking for Wednesday they need to fix the hit registration. No amount of on paper balance matters when fights can randomly become completely unwinnable because half your shots phased through your opponent.

[umbral swift]

Please make emotes in the store/Battle Pass have an option to preview what it would look like on your Player Card

[heady wagon]

Fix matchmaking, why do i need to lose 15 games straight where i carry and my teammates are always yellow skinned newbies that doesn't do anything and go random directions. and all the enemies are emeralds or even rubies. that's absurd in so many ways

[peak vessel]

medium is to powerfull. heavy dps and fast revive is op

[calm bane]

NERF CHARGE N SLAM

[jolly island]

edit
You're right, solar, my bad.

Still, it's stupidly long for the damage per mag and the visual recoil.

[sterile canopy]

Er, what? Revolver headshot DPM is 888, FCAR bodyshot DPM is 550 (825 for headshots)

[ionic grail]

They’re not a cheater.

They’re a known competitive player.

[jolly island]

I love how Planetside 2 does weapon stats, and really wish Finals weapon pages looked like this, with starting/ending damage values and a graph for the fall off and at what ranges:

Also, seeing the recoil pattern for each gun would be nice.

@waxen thicket
Add more barrel options for the guns, letting players adjust the range, damage and recoil as needed
Planetside 2 does this as well ( 4 slots... optic, barrel, under barrel pickatinny rail, and alt ammo types).

It works on similar principles to Finals as far as classes and their abilities, except virtually all guns have bullet mechanics instead of hitscan, each side has it's own unique guns and some common pool guns, and they do their math based on 1000 as the baseline instead of 150/250/350 (with specialty armors and abilities modifying damage taken and all classes have base 1k health that's modified, but in the end the light classes are still squishy, medium classes are still medium, and heavy is still heavy).

TBH, planetside 2 did Finals' formula better than finals does, except it's more of a large group tactics combined arms game than movement squad shooter.

[waxen thicket]

Add more barrel options for the guns, letting players adjust the range, damage and recoil as needed

[mortal notch]

Please make the smokes a wall/dome that FULLY blocks vision similar to cs2

[silver spruce]

Also can we have a worse penalty on leaving world tour? I’m just trying to reach emerald and if my team looses the first cash out I have random teammates leaving all the time 😦

[wind meteor]

yeah, so you can just throw a smoke grenade and steal a cash out with no way for anyone to stop you unless they do witchcraft.

[mortal notch]

Go inside the smoke?
Drop grenades
Rpg
Stun
Aim for where you know the cashout is u till you get hitmarkers
Winch the cashout
Winch the person
Grav cube
Cns
Demat
Mines
Thermal
Gas
Pyro
All barrels
Sonar
Dropping the cashout

[potent solar]

if there's not one already can you add a quick keybind to enable/disable text chat?

[signal cosmos]

Pls add filter options to the cosmetics view.
And make it possible to go to the bundles of bought outfits. It is possible to go to the bundle of outfits you didn't buy yet but it's not possible for bought ones. It is pretty annoying to look for a specific part of an outfit.

[old minnow]

Melee Weapons

Dual blades
Increase the range and accuracy of which it can deflect make it so if you hit a critical hit, you take no damage the final slash is now activated by holding down mouse one or right trigger and does however much damage you’ve built up it’s 10 extra damage per attack

Riot shield
You can now sprint and you can block all damage even fire the hit box is increased by 10% in all directions
Main damage increased to 108
When you get hit through the visor, you take 10% damage and no head shots

Sword
Base damage increased to 140
Lunge range increased to 10 m
Lunge damage increased to 149

Dagger
Make it so you have to be standing right behind them and looking at their back and it automatically charges it and you can’t hold it while it’s charging it disable cloaking and it takes 0.3 seconds to charge but immediately discharges as soon as you look away from their back while charging and stabbing, you cannot use any specializations and the main attack now deals 74 damage

Hammer
Main damage increased to 200
Secondary damage increased to 308

Spear
Main damage increased to 108 120 140
Secondary damage increased to 140

(All secondary abilities are now activated by holding down left click or right trigger.
And all melee weapons can now block they cannot block bullets. They take 80% less damage from each other. Excluding dagger, this weapon cannot be blocked or block but they can be Perryed
Riot shield cannot parry)

Perry it allows you to stun your enemy and take no damage the last for 0.5 Seconds it is activated by double tapping block You can also Perry bullets, but you still take damage unless it’s dual blades or sword which can also deflect but only when you Perry you cannot spam Perry if you block there’s a cool down for Perry ing for 0.6 seconds if you are perryed you can still move You just can’t attack for 0.5 seconds Perry takes 0.5 seconds

Reload is now dodge dodging makes it so you cannot take any melee damage and take 50% less ranged damage after you dodge you cannot attack for 0.6 seconds you can only roll every 0.3 seconds dodging makes you move 1.5m with a roll

Attacking now takes 50% longer, and your camera speed is set to 10 While attacking

While using a melee weapon, you passively take 40% less melee damage and heavys take 50% Less damage from melee

While using a melee weapon you’re constantly in the 3rd person

You can headshot with melee weapon for 1.5x damage this is to encourage players to aim up so you can crouch to dodge

Lunge now has 4x as much range for all melee weapons and if you’re looking directly at an opponent, it is 8x as strong this is because I made it slower and it would be practically useless against people with range

Delete aim assist for Melee

You cannot animation cancel with anything

[narrow belfry]

Remove invisibility standing still ability and Nerf the LH1 Headshot multiplayer and damage in general

[jolly island]

Buff Pike headshot to 2x
Right now it's more worthwhile to aim for body shots, and it's absolute trash even at that given the pathetic damage per mag (less than the AK or FAMAS, and effectively the same as the FCAR)

[mortal notch]

I love planet side
But no adding attachments that change the values would be horrible for the game and terrible for balancing
And would make the off meta weapons even less viable

[wind meteor]

everything you said are ways to stop a normal steal, and they barely work in smoke.

• the way smoke is now, you can see barely see inside it.
• not any team will have mines, gravity cubes, thermal... even then, mines could have been used prior to stealing.
• winch and all throwable are not effective when you can't see where you're throwing, except maybe the gas grenade
• pyro gets extinguished instantly by smoke
• sonars and motion sensors, do not show you players in smoke
• demat and dropping the cashout would not work in open spaces, where I had 3 cash-outs stolen using the smoke grenade.

so I just don't see the point of changing the smoke in anyway except nerfing its density a bit, because I literally couldn't see who's stealing the cashout while running in a 1 feet radius circle around it.

But I stand with you, on what @jolly island said. What i love about the finals is its simplicity in that matter. I hate playing games like pubg and valorant where it's either about who finds the best thing, or who manages the economics better. Not to mention the balancing nightmare, especially that games with attachments are really not balanced: whoever has the best attachment is at an advantage.

[spark cape]

This is a really bad take. Its not realistic at all. Right now, the smoke can be buggy at times but still waaaay better that you can see atleast something if there is no 3 smokes stacked on top of each other. Way more bigger problems in the game than smoke. No-one almost even uses it in high elo

[mortal notch]

I’m asking for a buff?????
Are you ok?

[neon ingot]

medieval season would be really cool in my opinion

[lofty zinc]

We need a way to see opponent level and other stats during game. This will help determine who's cheating. Low of low level players with high number of kills probably means cheaters.

[wind meteor]

Dual blades
Make the dual blades shoot at distance (from 1 to 150m) with x3 headshot multiplier.

Riot Shield
Make shield give you 360 protection when not used, and let you roll at 10x sprint speed when used.

Sword
Make sword lunge deal damage to first opponent it hits, then automatically bounce to the next opponent and go through the third opponent, killing them, while going to the second.

Dagger
Make it so the opponent who sees the dagger coming, become frozen by fear and their back dilates to become 2 meters wide

Hammer
Main attack brings down a lighting bolt that kills the targeted opponent and another random opponent on the map.
Secondary attack makes an earthquake and opens a cliff 100m long that swallows anyone within 10m on every side.

Spear
Main attack can go through opponent and make the Spear a shish kebab.
Secondary attack makes a storm with 15 debris that hit any opponent in 8.65m radius

make perry cool down 3s and effect duration 3.5s

reloading weapon makes you invincible and invisible, and a rat comes up your shoulder and shoots the enemy you were fighting with its small pistol.

since you made the sword slower (thank god), you can use it to reflect sun light into your opponents' eyes.

[sleek gull]

💡

[main knot]

We Need a console lobbys whitout PC player.

[vague maple]

Ban Impersonator from making feedback

[waxen thicket]

Let us bring a 2nd weapon in exchange for having 2 equipment slots only, choosing between utility and flexibility

[jade cloak]

Pro Tip, destroy the turret
block of the turret
Dont go into a room with 80 turrets
gitch the turret
Drop the turret
Drop the thing you want out of the room

Play smart. Outplay the 40DPS machine. And if its a 3 stack with all turrets, dont just run in blindly'

@harsh torrent and yet, lights got glitch nades
@lilac coral you cant be too sure in this channel if someones trolling or not. There are way too many people with the worst takes under the sun actually being serious about it

[gritty thistle]

Got a nice bunch of fans in one match 🤣🤣

[harsh torrent]

probably only light mains complain about turret

[lilac coral]

He’s trolling being it doing it for months he has some of the worst takes on the turret

[proper crescent]

Explosives clear smoke

[royal mesa]

I’d love to see a prop hunt game mode in this. With the way the map changes there’s less chance for people to learn where items are

[sleek blade]

Add mnk support to console

[jaunty wolf]

I would like the Anti Grav Cube to be better somehow. I would like to see what others think about it.

[storm rampart]

are the eu servers down?

[rocky dawn]

I have an Idea to Fix 3rd partying, plug meta, and last cashout being the only one that matters:

Currently, teams can be punished for wiping teams, but then losing the cashout after they spawn on top of them/3rd partying. Therefore other than money from kills (and subsequent loss of money from the dying team) they are worse off for losing the cashout.

My idea, is that for every steal, a % of the total money of that cashout is given to the stealing team. This would lower the total amount of cash able to be won after the cashout is complete.

This would decrease the amount of third parties, increase the amount of times playing for objective, and increase the probability of the 2nd seed team making the final round.
Often, one team is left to have a cashout completely for free; but through this method, I believe it will allow for more 3v3 fights in order to gain steal money. It would also reduce the strength of plugs, and the final cashout (especially in doubled cashouts). This may also prevent the 1st place team from automatically qualifying.

Loving the game at the minute but I think this would benefit ranked.

[rapid stream]

No

[mortal notch]

Add mnk support
You have been “working on it”
For 425 days

[fluid willow]

Dear production team, hello, I'm here again, I want to emphasize my demands again, I need a brand new ultimate weapon appearance, which includes (brand new dynamic appearance special effects, brand new sound effects, brand new killing special effects). It would be better if it is released as a DLC or pass. Your current weapon appearance and clothing are too ugly, and there are few good-looking things in the paid version. Although I have spent $90 to buy a lot of things, please listen carefully, I want better appearance and new content! I will post it once a day until you make it.

[sterile canopy]

spamming the channel with weird demands is really not its intended use. your opinion does not become more valuable because you state it on repeat.

[steel coral]

The server just crashed and kicked all of my friends out of the match, ive been given a 10 minute suspension and atleast -1k ranked points, dayum, thanks embard 😦

[narrow notch]

Guys what about a New barrel, called "Shockwave Barrel", that when used it pressure destroys everything in a specific radius ?

[short widget]

world tour points idea: eliminated in first round get 1 point, it's much betrer than nothing while still keep distance to second round's bonus (6 point)

[mortal notch]

Day 425 of embark
“Working on” mnk support

[wind meteor]

That's I thought honestly, but I threw 2 frag grenades, and they cleared nothing. It was disappointing.

[jaunty wolf]

I do like the idea of explosives clearing out smoke. Now that all builds have it, I feel it would be a necessary addition. Smokes are quite effective in giving some cover. Plus it could play with the rock, paper, scissors of throwables.

[vestal basin]

Fix the bugs (I will not use dirty words to avoid getting warned by mods, but you all know how much hate and anger is in my words)

[tribal hinge]

let the isult mask be used with headgears please 🥲

[fluid willow]

I hope to have some blade axes, six-barreled heavy machine guns, and controllable turrets.

[ionic saddle]

Stop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emerald Stop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emeraldStop placing me against emeralds while I'm not in emerald

[marsh wagon]

I’m in diamond 3 and I still get placed with emeralds

[spark cape]

There’s just not enough players to keep the que times bearable while still being rank equal on the matches

[wind meteor]

it's already implemented. I've been testing it now.

Here are my findings regarding the smoke grenade:

this grenade has 2 phases: source phase, and residual phase. The sourcing phase starts and soon after, the residual phase starts while the source is still giving smoke. The residual phase stays for some time after the sourcing has stopped.

if you throw a frag grenade, the residual phase is completely deleted, however the source (the smoke grenade itself it seems) is blown away and starts to give off smoke in another location, but once the sourcing is done, there would be no residual smoke, since it has already been deleted.

Therefore, throwing frag at a smoke grenade in a room, can clear the smoke a bit (by removing the residual smoke) but the room will almost surely be filled with smoke as long as the sourcing phase is happening, since that source will bounce on walls and stay within the room.

As for the smoke canister:
I couldn't really grasp it, but it seems its residual phase is either very short or non existent, and the source seems to be fixed in place and wouldn't be blown away by a frag grenade. I couldn't see any noticeable dispersion between 2 canisters detonated at almost the same time, with frag thrown at the location of only one of them.

@ionic saddle world tour badges are not an indication of rank, rather only an indication of how much you play world tour. You could have a gold badge and be decimated by a bronze badge because they are in fact platinum in ranked. And you can face an emerald player and beat them, because they may not be strong, but they sure won enough because they play A LOT of world tour. So, don't send a ridiculously repeating message that doesn't make any sense.

[hearty bough]

World Tour is not ranked, stop treating it as such. Your WT rank means NOTHING about your skill, it is simply a measure to time played

[sudden spire]

We need more gameshow events.

[bold vine]

Let's not insult each other and instead let's stick to feedback. Thanks

[amber grotto]

@fickle linden @subtle solar Hello, we are from South Asia, specifically Bangladesh, and we're facing some challenges related to the timing of the game's daily missions. The daily mission cycle ends at 4 PM local time, which makes it difficult for us to complete the missions. If we miss the opportunity in the evening for any reason, the missions reset the next day at 4 PM, a time when we are typically at school, college, or work.

We believe it would be greatly beneficial if the reset time could be changed to Morning 6 AM instead. This adjustment would help us complete the daily missions more easily in our region. Thank you! 3 am to 6 am will be a perfect time when everyone sleeps here

[alpine glacier]

All daily missions reset at midnight where embark is based. Here in NA it resets at 8pm which makes it even harder to do the challenges.

[wraith orchid]

so if you dont buff the sniper in midair accuracy tomorrow im gonna quit this game.

[toxic wharf]

More game show events pls

[plush fjord]

Nerf LH1 crit hit.

Stop ppl from equipping weapons and gadgets while in cloak. Increase duration, and slightly increase movement speed while crouching. Add a deactivating timer, where theres an disabling animation taking place for 0.5-1.5 seconds. To encourage a more tactical play with actual thinking instead of brainlessly pressing a button and stunning ppl.

Buff CL40 aoe splash damage, but slightly nerf the direct hit damage.

Fix the Spear. Let the rod/stick of the spear hit enemies as well in the secondary attack, and not just the tip, etc.

Rework the sword. Increase primary attack damage slightly, but reduce its range considerably. Increase its lunge distance. And remove the lunge+evas dash combo.

Make it so that you have to face the back of the opponent to backstab. And stop facestabbing.

Increase KS23 critical hit (or add one if there's none, I'm not even sure at this point. Slightly increase base damage. Slightly.

I will continue to add more. Thinking of a few buffs to certain light gadgets to make them more viable for objective.

[wispy sand]

After days of research, I've come to the realization that during the early morning hours for NA, the game has AI Bots enabled. It makes no sense to me that there would be more new console players than new pc players early in the morning.

Can you disable the AI and just know its okay to be a dead game at times?

[ionic saddle]

@hearty bough This is not the "Give feedback on other people's feedback" channel stop talking. You will never be able to defend a ranked game mode with a matchmaking system this bad to me so stop trying. If I wanted to play top rank players in gold I'll go load up Apex or some overwatch or some other dead game.

[jagged cedar]

I don't think you understand the gravity that he imposes

[elder birch]

I disagree on your video game take and would like to argue

[bold vine]

Ah cool, click this magic button to win this argument: ||haha gottem||

[elder birch]

Just you wait, in 29 minutes I’m gonna have an epic comeback

[mild sorrel]

bamboozled 😩

[celest snow]

Let's go another ranked tournament another dude who leaves and no fix

[verbal bane]

Dear Embark Team,

Please do not nerf FAMAS because it is now the weapon all the Light players on Reddit and Discord are whining about dying to.

You have nerfed Medium into the ground because (in your words) "Light is the least winning class" without taking into account that the reason Lights lose so much is because they do not play the objective.

Please, please, please reconsider your nerfs.

[rugged temple]

Light loses at all skill levels. Even the highest because they are the weakest class. Famas does deserve slight nerfs, but ak and fcar should get slight buffs. Also please nerf model properly 🙏

[waxen thicket]

Game needs to pivot away from being a pseudo hero shooter asap, this game should be competing with the likes of Apex Legends and TF2, not Marvel Rivals

[sterile patrol]

I got to emerald in the first 3weeks of the season.. I'm not even that good at the game. Emerald badge means nothing..

[sterile canopy]

so what do you suggest they do, exactly?

[obsidian sail]

you got 1800 win points in 3 weeks? That's 72 tournament wins in 21 days. That's extremely sus.

[hearty bough]

Childish mindset. If your rank can’t go down, ITS NOT RANKED.

World tour is not meant to have tight matchmaking - it is a CASUAL GAME MODE

[quartz dirge]

I got emerald 1 in the span of 2 weeks

[lament sable]

This L LH1 meta is getting out of hand. These players are only lookin for kills and dont play as a team

[warm epoch]

can't even hop on for 10 whole minutes before getting the shoot bug this about sums up the quality and effort going into this game (I wish I could say good things about this game but I honestly regret recommending to people now because they all just hate it with the current state that its in)

[rigid shale]

Cheater is a cheater is a cheat.

@ionic grail you're offering opinions on a match you didn't see. consider me unconvinced.

there's -no way- one player on a team of pros goes 22-0 while the other pros he's with only get 2-3 elims each while our team of 1k+ hours played ea. gets shitstomped 0-10+ by one guy. we had 3 elims between the 5 of us and i had 2 of them. we were getting lasered in the spawn, pre-fired on before we'd spawn in. the crew he was with wasn't even doing good. i'm amazed i picked up the 2 elims against the stack that i did. there's a 0% chance it's authentic.

[indigo inlet]

Weapon specific crosshairs would be nice as not every crosshair works with every weapon.

[ionic grail]

You are an idiot, I know of mvches and I know the fuckin team they play with very well lmao

[faint sundial]

Please make at least one of these happen:

1. allow solo private matches on maps for exploration and experimenting
2. make more gallery images of different areas of the maps, especially the new maps
3. make a functional way of turning off HUD

[proper crescent]

-feedback

[spiral light]

Feedback channel FAQ

⭐ What is this channel for?
Constructive feedback (positive and negative) and suggestions about the game.
⭐ What is not meant for this channel?
Bug reports (see #1201841543926005810), cheater reports (please make them in-game or send them to support). Spam, toxicity and messages intended to troll/bait will be removed.
⭐ Do devs read this channel?
Yes, the channel is read and tracked. However, the dev team will rarely react or respond directly.
⭐ Should I ping anyone to leave feedback?
No, just drop it here. We can handle it! Please also avoid pinging Embarkers (blue roles) - it will not get your feedback to them faster.

[sterile patrol]

U need 2400 points to get to the emerald.. just play light, use portal and get the plugs.. and u always gonna reach the finals... The final round gets you 14-25 points.. I wud play 3-4h a day and I wud get 100 - 150 points everyday, easy money! Nothing suss.. WT is all about the plugs, if u don't plug u won't win... And don't go solo q, if u can, look for some teammates, that helps a lot!

[obsidian sail]

You won more tournaments per day than I play tournaments per day. You'd need to straight up win 4 of the 5 tournaments you play, and get in the finals for the last one. Every single day. For 21 days. Statistically speaking I'm willing to bet money that you are way more than 3 standard deviations from the mean tournament win-rate, and are therefore highly suspect if this is the case.

Even just winning that much, the total playtime per day that you clocked was 5x45 = 3 hours 45 minutes. Still able to know what the sun looks like, which makes this suspect AF.

But let's be more realistic. If we put your win percentage at winning 1 out of every 3 tournaments you play, you would need to play 12 tournaments per day using a binary condition (either win or get knocked out 1st round) That's 4x45mins (for the wins) + 8x15mins (for the knockout), which puts you at 6 hours of playing the game per day. You'd also still need at least one qualification, so tack another 15 minutes on that number for the qual round.

If we consider more realistically that you win 1 out of every 5 tournaments, and qualify for the other 4, you would need to play closer to 13 tournaments per day. 2x45 (wins) + 11x30 (quals) = 7 hours of playing the game per day.

And if we go further down the rabbit hole of permutations to gain 115WP per day, the amount of playtime only goes up.

Snagging 115WP per day for 21 days straight is insane no matter how you shake it. I went from being suspect to just feeling sad for you as I did the napkin-math.

Edit: LOL, you said two weeks. Increase all those playtimes by 33%... holy crap man.

@sterile patrol I only play this game for about 2 hours per day, with friends, while drinking and laughing. I'll squeeze the juicy emerald out of the turnip that is my playstyle without needing to neglect my mental health.

[teal minnow]

If the motherfucking seed is 4 and you finish 4th you souldn't get - RS what the fuck

[polar spire]

gimme more lunge on the shield embark. let me sprint while hold the shield forward ( ik you can technically already do that by running at an angle but still) itll look more terryfiing.

[blissful smelt]

I pointed out how much is now broken the L UZI.
What the heck was thinking the Embark at the time of buffing it?
The matches are now filled with all these midrange oppressive, recoil-less and also high capacity weapon, paired with invisibility or high mobility skills.

And again: 🚨 unseable L indoor are breaking the experience of playing the game.

[sonic spoke]

Yes. How many lights lose because they run into a group of 2 or 3, by themselves, instead of keeping themselves tethered to their team.

[quartz dirge]

Yeah I was on winter break and I set myself a goal. + mostly soloq

[oak kernel]

Tbh, I do believe blank played that much. Blank kind of no life's games for a bit lol (as he confirmed above). You gotta remember that people with more free time, literal kids, etc, also play this game (though, even I'm sus of people's claims of always making it into the finals every round for 13 days straight, there's a lot of them).

The emerald grind really is simply too much imo. If you're "really good" or play in a group I could see it not feeling too bad, but I haven't been able to play ranked at all this season simply because I HAVE to queue into WT to get emerald. I solo queue and I'm not the best player in the world, so I'm not winning every tournament. Hell, I'm probably not winning most of my tournaments. It's a frustrating time sync tbh. I'm pretty sure the game's got SBMM that still into matches with people of your relative skill level too (with a very wide net). Even if it doesn't, I run into ruby's, people who've reached emerald, squads that are queued together, etc, making it feel like an even larger grind for a solo queue warrior.

Point is, the emerald grind feels way too grindy. While I think I'll reach emerald before the season is up, I'll have ONLY played WT the ENTIRE season, which is crazy. I've only had like 10 matches of power shift, max, and maybe 3 matches of quick cash for a challenge. I feel like I'm not allowed to play anything else if I want to get emerald, let alone start working on the ranked grind so I can actually get better at the game. It's simply a very poorly designed grind for the majority of people, I think. If they just gave WT win points for every game mode (scaled accordingly per mode), and the same amount in Ranked (if not more) than in casual WT, this grind would literally be a non-issue.

The WT grind is the most "shooting myself in the foot" issue I've ever seen. It's so easily fixable, it's laughable. But this is The Finals' dev team we're talking about. Not fixing easily fixable issues is their forte tbh.

[sterile patrol]

U need 2400 points to get to the emerald.. just play light, use portal and get the plugs.. and u always gonna reach the finals... The final round gets you 14-25 points.. I wud play 3-4h a day and I wud get 100 - 150 points everyday, easy money! Nothing suss.. WT is all about the plugs, if u don't plug u won't win... And don't go solo q, if u can, look for some teammates, that helps a lot!

[obsidian sail]

"You gotta earn* emerald!"
*exclusively play world tour and piss off your significant other with extensive gaming sessions for the entire season if you're an adult with responsibilities

[autumn hill]

Any chance of having different keybind pre-sets for each contestant? I'd like to not have the same keybind for my dash while playing light and my healbeam while playing medium.

[red arch]

you can have 2 keybinds im pretty sure, i use caps for light invis/dashing/demat and q for healbeam and mesh

[polar spire]

Blocking bullets with the riot shield should add to weapon XP

[tall spoke]

day 21 of asking for 5v5 cashout

hey embark if i reach 50 will you impliement it in the next season?

[surreal meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/namatama-the-finals-thefinals-nama-tama-egg-gif-17577808933027204123
yes please

[bold vine]

-feedback

[spiral light]

Feedback channel FAQ

⭐ What is this channel for?
Constructive feedback (positive and negative) and suggestions about the game.
⭐ What is not meant for this channel?
Bug reports (see #1201841543926005810), cheater reports (please make them in-game or send them to support). Spam, toxicity and messages intended to troll/bait will be removed.
⭐ Do devs read this channel?
Yes, the channel is read and tracked. However, the dev team will rarely react or respond directly.
⭐ Should I ping anyone to leave feedback?
No, just drop it here. We can handle it! Please also avoid pinging Embarkers (blue roles) - it will not get your feedback to them faster.

[silent fog]

surely after 5 and a half seasons you'll finally nerf the panic button charge n slam tomorrow?

[brittle obsidian]

nah, not until every facet of light's kit is nerfed into mediocrity and its brief window of meta relevancy comes to an end

[signal basin]

Update for Season 5 :

For the game

• Increase the netcode/tickrate/servers. Getting kill at 3m far from a hammer/sword or behind a wall / door / cover is not ACCEPTABLE. In this condition, playing Light it's like playing a H but with 150HP. Servers can't register your movements !
• BAN CHEATERS AND TOXIC PLAYER. AND PERMA BAN !
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the beginning of a game
• Let us go in practice with friends please
• Delete low gravity event. It's not fun at all
• Fix events appear in front of the scoreboard
• Random skin and charm list for weapons/gadgets
• Add a TDM mode 5v5 in small arena
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the group leader
• Add the possibility to look at the profil/card of friends
• Patch the level up bug on weapons at the end of matches. It's been here since many months now
• Dash is trash with your netcode. Servers can't register a dash behind a cover and you will die anyway
• Give us the possibility to customize rules in private match
• More Limited Time Mode (LTM) in the game please or more XP event.
• Let us use our VR for XP weapons or other things (not from me but very interresting idea !)
• Remove the 5s leave. It didn't change anything

** For balance **

• Playing Light in your game is not fun at all. Charge, RPG, Frag nade, Model, Magnum, everything got faster TTK than anyway weapons of Light. Except SH who need to be a 3m or less WITH 150HP class
• Flamethrower make doubt about the weapon. Sometime it make so much damage + fire in short time. Looks strange time to time. I don't know what to think about it
• Buff Light survability or DPS. Light should be the DPS class but the game is always around Medium and Heavy class
• NERF MODEL. Increase spray or decrease damage
• If you don't wanna nerf the grenade frag damage, add an indicator or make them more visual
• Nerf a bit Deagle damage or range
• Nerf Shak damage a bit
• Buff XP54 damage like it was !
• NERF CHARGE'N'SLAM DAMAGE. 95 DMG is enough instead of 130
• No more dmg on hook. It's nonsense. If hook do damage, stun gun should do too !
• Flamethrower and hook should NOT get you through walls or other.
• Nerf the right clic + Dash on Light. You couldn't dash with your sword or dagger charged
• Kill, Assist, Revive and Objectives points should add more points in ranked
• Spawn are still trash. You can wipe a squad on vault and they will respawn on the Cashout waiting for killing you. But after get wipe by them, YOU SPAWN AT 100M and MORE
• Rework defib: Reduce the cooldown reset to 5s and give 100HP instead of 50% of your HP. It will force Medium to revive more safety !
• Nerf FAMAS damage. TTK too high
• Nerf LH1. Increased the dmg fall at some meters. Or increased recoil.

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time

[lofty coyote]

Nah, that would suck. Probably kill the game imo. Balancing would be an issue as well.

[wind meteor]

the only one who needs to stop talking is whoever is calling a badge, "ranked mode". IT IS NOT A RANK. There's clearly a ranked mode called "RANKED" not world tour. I'm literally not "defending" a "ranked game mode". But you're too self absorbed to understand common sense, Karen.

[smoky gust]

I think red barreld are too unreliable

Sometimes you throw them at a wall from 20 meters away and they bounce
Sometimes you prime them, throw them delayed, just for the to hit a wall, do a 180, then fly diagonally upwards back to you
Sometimes they just graze a wall and explode
Sometimes they hit a corner, keep flying into it for a second, then go off

It feels random

Just having them always do the same thing under the same conditions would be nice

[surreal meadow]

adding a new gamemode wont kill the game, itll draw back new/old players (Powershift S2, TA S2)
replacing a gamemode with another will kill the game (TA season 3 ranked)

its not the (X) trait of the game, its that they removed a gamemode for a whole season causing a decline

just make 5v5 its own gamemode<< because casuals dont have a 2 team cash variation yet so people stop complaining about third parties

people that like third parties are being appealed to, people that dont like third parties are not being appealed to (cashout + variations in that area) which are casuals

[narrow notch]

New Barrel for The Finals: A Shockwave Barrel that Presure destroyes everything in a specific radius, and that also sends people flying/blasted away and blure their vison and slow their movement, like a stun grenade. That triggers on instant contact with any object. This could also be an revamped/redesigned version of the glitch barrel or simply a new one. Would like the Devs to see this🙏🚀☀️🥚❤

[tribal shard]

Right now what i really want is a fix to the respawn system.
Respawn times should be lowered in casual mode, respawn points shouldn't be 50km away
Bugfixes too and stability, my hits sometimes do half the damage they're supposed to do
Also revert the defib nerfs, now it's almost useless

[hearty bough]

YES PLEASE. Should also add to your support score like mesh shield does. I feel like a “damage taken” stat could go a long way, showing off teammates that are skilled enough to disengage and self-heal without dying etc.

Would also go a long way to curb the hate against riot shield when you aren’t top-fragging with a weapon that’s meant to be more of a support tool

[broken canopy]

Just got penalized with a matchmaking suspension even though I wasn't the first to leave and the game explicitly told me it was fine to leave since another team member already left. 🙃

[lament talon]

Plug meta is so dumb

[raven topaz]

nobody likes low gravity

[echo urchin]

Bring back smoking guns and all the cosmetic rewards for it. It’s fucking bullshit that some of the best cosmetics in the game are just gone forever except for people that just happened to be here for that one event.

[tribal shard]

low grav is cool

[proper crescent]

No.

[unique flicker]

Please let console players be able to connect mouse and keyboard to the USB input, as there is a big difference in freedom between controller and mouse and keyboard.

[brittle obsidian]

i like low gravity, its one of the few events that actually changes how you have to play

[slim grove]

why i lost my points when i have afk in team?? thats f mistake

[odd dove]

anyone notice or its just me frame drops massivily in bernal

[echo urchin]

Fix the plug meta:

1. Remove deposit bonus.
2. Change it so that a team accrues an X% from the cashout amount for every second they are within an Xm radius of a cashout they own.
3. The bonus amount you got from plugging now goes to whoever owns the cashout once it is complete.

So, for the first $10,000 cashout that would look like:

• $1,000 for opening vault.
• $0 for plug.
• $7,000 steadily earned by whoever owns the cashout and stays within a certain radius of it.
• $3,000 Bonus to whoever owns the cashout when it completes.
• $1,000 steal bonus, etc are all still there.

Why is this good? It changes the incentive structure:

• Now there is no incentive for chasing plugs.
• There is incentive for defending your cashout.
• There is a punishment for leaving it to go third party.
• There is still incentive to steal, even up to the last second.

Of course, there is a complication: what happens if a team does leave the cashout?

• the money they would have earned is burned.
• Why not add that amount to the end bonus? Because then teams could go third party, come back and steal their cashout back, and then still end up with all the money.
• So, it needs to be set up so that if any member of the team leaves the radius, the money they would be earning begins being burned.
• So, all team members need to be in the radius, but what if one dies?
  • As long as all living team members are still within the radius, they continue to accrue the money.
• What if one team member dies and then coins in?
  • If their team still owns the cashout then they spawn within the accruing radius.
  • If their team has lost the cashout, then they spawn outside of the accruing radius.

@quartz dirge Awe, do you need some attention? Maybe a nap and some warm milk? Why so cranky little baby?

[main knot]

Only 900point of we win this lobby... Really??!?!?!?

[storm inlet]

punish thirds omfg
there is not a single game (wt or ranked) where a team plays others' cashout

[midnight aurora]

if the entire enemy team leaves end the match dont make us sit through it or force people to join the game

[robust gull]

Can you bring the new FSR 3.3

[last saddle]

Please fix the anticheat. Getting full teams of botters

[lime crane]

Buff the Cerberus!

[alpine glacier]

Buff turret

[subtle bough]

Can you make it easier to apply a optic on your weapons in loadout select and in-game,
like in practice range (to try it out) and in matches

[olive vector]

Please don't nerf the Dash! 🥹

[exotic blade]

This game should add more world events like earth quakes ,Tsunamis,flash floods , volcano eruption, tornado 🌪️😆😆😏😏😏😏

[quartz dirge]

nerf turret
nerf dash
nerf m11
nerf lh1
nerf throwing knives
nerf demat
nerf famas
nerf akm/fcar
nerf frag
nerf gas
nerf xp54
nerf cloak
nerf light health regen delay
nerf zipline cd
buff charge
nerf m60
nerf lewis
nerf bow
nerf mines

[proper crescent]

NERF BLANK PFP'S!!!!

[fluid merlin]

@broken canopy only as the last leaving member you don't receive a penalty, and yes this also applies if you're playing in a duo.

[broken canopy]

The game explicitly told me 'you won't be penalized because a team member already left' (and then penalized me)

[sterile canopy]

nerf... GAMING?!

now I know what you're thinking, "holup - he wants to nerf gaming?! What the f*dge man!" but hear me out:

these gamers are crazy!

[visual pulsar]

So light r intended to be used as a scout class that can assasinate single ppl with burst dmg, the only gun that can do it without getting destroyed is xp54 imo,because medium having ak,fcar and famas with 250 hp is crazy,lights have mostly 0 chances to do it. And while u have ability to scount with the specialization u can do it outside only in big areas,and u cant scout in close spaces like buildings for example,because either u face a medium or heavy and u get destroyed for sure.

In S1 there was wallhack gadget for medium,tbh I liked it very much and the tweaked version of it wasnt that broken tbh.
Why not give light class that wallhack specialization,it would help them with the scouting ability in closed section and additionally find isolated targets to elliminate.

PLS ADD WALLHACK SPECIALIZATION THAT WAS ON MEDIUMS FOR LIGHTS,aswell as giving grapple a second charge because although cooldown is low its still doesnt feel better alternative than dash or invis

And adding pure deathmatch(ffa) would be great addition!!!

[tawdry adder]

for players who finish in ruby in addition to the ruby skin there should also be some sort of way for them to display their name/rank they finished that season in the top 500 on the gun

[glad brook]

I think you should add 5000 to 5 change from VRs to MBs if you want to it could be lower than 5 it could be 1 but that would mess up with the perfect look xd but it would make more gameplay time and people would enjoy grinding even more rather than looking it as a dumpster that you need to empty time to time

[worn hamlet]

better matchmaking, keep getting stuck in groups of 2 or with someone thats level 2

[tired fable]

Embark, please, take note :
stungun : 15secCD > 25sec

thank you

[quartz dirge]

nerf turret
nerf dash
nerf m11
nerf lh1
nerf throwing knives
nerf demat
nerf famas
nerf akm/fcar
nerf frag
nerf gas
nerf xp54
nerf cloak
nerf light health regen delay
nerf zipline cd
buff charge
nerf m60
nerf lewis
nerf bow
nerf mines

[untold willow]

pls return old reticle to XP-54, I don't think any players prefer the new one. Even if it would just be an option that you would have to unlock, none of us would mind.
17 dmg and 32 bullets would be nice while your tweaking stuff 🙂
love you guys, the weapon/class balance is in the best state it has ever been

[vivid axle]

fix the bloody respawn times in quick cash, i just spent 30 seconds waiting to respawn only to run to the fight (which took another 30 seconds) and then get instantly gunned down from 40m away by an lh1 user and spend a further 30 seconds to respawn again

90 seconds straight of just not playing the game is just utterly ridiculous in what is supposed to be a quick play mode

this is the type of thing killing the game

[tough merlin]

depends on who you ask a couple patches ago this channel said the EXACT opposite 🤷‍♂️

[nova osprey]

This is the best suggestion I’ve seen yet

[mellow geyser]

So if the game is not succeeding, is it the fault of the gamers?

[glad brook]

Better UI for friendslist and more info for items like playtime for each and every weapon like Overwatch's or Marvel Rivals's hero system

[frozen moss]

I want to see a xp time boost for the weapons and gadgets.

I would like to see a function where if a teammate marks you to revive you see somewhere that someone has the intention to revive you and how far he is from your body, because many times it happens to me that I am not looking at the player who wants to revive me and I disappear in his face without knowing that I was going to be healed (examples of the battlefield saga).

[plush sand]

Buff communication with community at least let us know we have been heard so we have some hope that youll fix issues people have been bringing up for months now

[dry lichen]

How about we just instaban people that use the hard R. No reporting necessary (:

maybe even hold the message and it just sends a “<name> was banned for using inappropriate hostile language” when someone sends it 😄

[nova osprey]

Nerf game feedback

[torpid sky]

buff model

[tranquil mantle]

buff everything

[junior igloo]

Being a light and not being able to win 1v1s against med and heavy is just a skill issue tbh

[untold locust]

LAAAAG

[ashen stirrup]

More TvT modes like Power Shift ! Some of us love this game but don't care for the third parties in WT and QC

[patent wind]

i mean he was on the right track, and technically medium and heavy out damage light, but he just kinda lost me at xp-54 being able to do that.

[zenith tundra]

just get rid of invis is stupidly broken

[thorny lynx]

I am actually stoked to see what tomorrow brings, game is stale. Plug meta is old news and Finals needs to be shaken up some. LH1 nerfed into the ground please, but otherwise game needs some quality of life changes and BUFFS.... none of these nerfs reddit cheeto fingers are talking about

[umbral swift]

Invisibility is not even remotely close to overtuned, let alone overpowered. It has multiple direct and indirect counters.

• Using Vanish Bomb causes a huge AoE visual+sound cue
• Even when perfectly still it still has a visual shimmer/distortion as well as an auditory buzzing noise
• Moving quickly at all makes the visual and auditory reveals increase drastically
• Glitch Traps/Glitch Grenades/Glitch barrels will break invisibility instantly and prevent them from reactivating invisibility from either method (specialization/gadget) while in their radius (for Glitch Traps)/for a duration (for Glitch Grenades/Glitch barrels)
• Tracking Dart, Sonar Grenade, and Proximity Sensor will reveal and ping Lights regardless of being invisible or not
• Thermal Vision will effectively negate invisibility as long as the gadget doesn’t encounter one of the dozen or so bugs it has
• Even if you don’t know their exact position, hipfire spraying and/or AoE can easily nick a Light for even minor damage which will instantly break them out of invisibility, if you see the rippling, it’s even easier, literally a single bullet will do the job
• Stun Gun will slow the Light down to a crawl making Cloak/Vanish Bomb pointless to use and disable them from activating Cloak, providing ample time to easily kill them first before the effect wears off
• Invisibility is not invincibility nor is it untargetability. If they’re using Cloak, they have no mobility outside of Gateway which requires preemptive setup to not be delayed during combat, so if you know where they are because of rippling/noise/detecting them/etc, just shoot/Charge/Winch/etc them and it’ll hit them and break them out of invis.
• Play with your team, they can’t ambush you if your team is playing together and watching out for them coming, plus the Light can’t move quickly without instantly giving their position away
• Even if they surprise you, Medium/Heavy can turn around and kill them first regardless in most weapon matchups

[paper hare]

For real as a heavy main idk how people have trouble with invis AT ALL. It never felt unfair in the entire games history, turn your volume up bros you can hear it coming from a mile away!

[unreal fossil]

I will argue that some visual/sound cues in general have always been bad/unreliable in The Finals. Footsteps come to mind, but invisibility as well. That problem doesn't make CD broken, just very frustrating at times. For instance, I may see the distortion from an immobile Light very clearly, and then barely see that same Light running at me a minute later, even though it should be the other way around. Getting killed by someone who shouldn't see you or by someone you should have seen is in fact unfair for both sides.

On a whole different topic...

Please fix QC matchmaking (and matchmaking in general). Whenever playing with my friends as a duo, our games always follow the same frustrating path. We both struggle trying to win impossible 2v6 fights, because we're ALWAYS matched up with the worst possible players MM could find. Tonight, we've had a player in our team who finished a round with a whopping 88 combat score, 1000 objective score, 0 assist score, 0 kills, 0 assists, 0 revives, 3 deaths. That's the lowest I've ever seen, but it's not rare that our third player is barely above these numbers. We've been noticing this for several seasons already, and you can't convince me that there's NEVER any better player solo queuing at the time we're duo queuing.

It has to be on purpose. Why ? I wonder. If the idea is to help player retention by giving atrocious players one or two good team mates, so that they eventually get carried and win... It won't work.

TL;DR: matchmaking needs to be addressed, I don't care much about winning or losing, I do care about having fun, and having to constantly pull dead weights is the opposite of fun, even if/when I'm performing great. Losing to better players is part of the game, losing because you're constantly handicapped sucks, even more when you know full well that you could have won that round, had you been given an average team mate.

[novel mountain]

I think it would be really cool if they added a new map that is like a small lego city on a coffee table, doesn't have to be made out of lego, could be made out of paper or other arts n crafts like stuff. I can see how cool the sky box would be if everyone was on a really big coffee table, fighting for the objective.

[glad brook]

Thermal vision needs buffs such as range otherwise its kinda waste of slot but im just a heavy main who tries to play sniper in monaco what do i know

[round hornet]

Inconsistencies like that are just part and parcel for partial invisibility. If it was complete, silent invisibility with an actual decloak and recloak time I think it would be both more reliable to use and feel better to fight.

[junior igloo]

Light has stun, vanish, dash, cloak, and a weapon that TWO TAPS HEAVIES, not to mention the two highest dps weapons in the game lh1 and m11 (deagles with headies might be higher than m11 I don't recall), and much higher movement speed. There have been times where I've died before even being able to react with a stun cloak db for instance

[inner narwhal]

Remove penalties for losing a ranked game if you're missing a player, fix the medium's revolver issue where sometimes you shoot blank bullets

[alpine glacier]

buff turret

[haughty totem]

the spawns on Kyoto are by far the worst player experience ive ever had in a shooter

[umbral swift]

• Stun is literally the Light wasting time giving you another chance to react before they can start damaging you.
• Read what I said above for Vanish/Cloak.
• Dash does not have i-frames, shoot them where they dash to, and everything that shuts off Specializations shuts off Dash.
• That weapon cannot two shot a Heavy standing perfectly still from further than 6m, realistically more like 4m in any actual scenario. Them having to get that close is your chance to react. Them stunning you is your second.
• Lights have higher DPS weapons because 1. They literally have 150 HP, it would be genuinely stupid if their weapons didn't have better stats than the weapons on classes with 100 or 200 more HP. 2. They don't win head-on fights even with higher DPS weapons, +100/200 HP on Medium/Heavy mean full HP M/H vs full HP L literally always favors M/H, and 3. Without better stats on their weapons, they'd literally lose even when they do ambush people.

[obsidian sentinel]

Need more bubble pigtails

[paper hare]

There should be a voice line for getting a prop kill on another player

[polar spire]

let me hold the riot shield up even when im holding other objects lol

[red grotto]

there should be a solo queue toggle so I dont ahve to go against 3 3 stacks

[unreal fossil]

If it wasn't partial, it would be very broken IMO, even with all the aforementioned counter-measures.

All I'm saying is that it should be more consistent, both ways. You shouldn't be easily seen when immobile or hard to see when mobile based on... luck.

@umbral swift good points, but your opinion is a bit biased on this. I can very much tell you play the class quite extensively (but probably not exclusively).

Using the stun gun as an opener does make Light players waste time before inflicting damage, and give you an opportunity to fight back. Which is why bad Light who overuse stun sometimes lose fights they could have won, had they fired at their targets right away instead.

But you almost make it sound like Lights are putting themselves at a disadvantage when using it LMAO. A stunned target is almost immobile, can't mitigate incoming damage using movement/specs, can't flee, and has to shoot back with a weapon that's shaking all over the screen. It's not an even battle at all. That's the point of using that gadget, don't get me wrong. But you can't deny it's a strong tool if/when used right. Not to mention its ability to stop steals for a few seconds. This has literally won games and tournaments.

Also while Light having higher DPS weapons makes perfect sense for the reasons you mentioned... some of them are clearly overtuned. The LH1 comes to mind in particular, it's been dumbed down so much, while it's an absolute powerhouse at any range with little to no downsides.

Invis + LH1 + Gateway (to abuse the fuck out of the plug meta) is one of the most toxic loadouts at the moment, assuming the player has decent aim.

[cosmic berry]

this is an amazing idea. i dont think most people play 2 stacks cus you usually just get a liability if you do that. 3 stacks are op. and not wanting to be too sweaty or finding a 3 stack is annoying so this is the perfect thing to add

[rancid obsidian]

Please make abilities weaker and focus more on skilled aim instead of getting more and more cheap stuff into the game.
A 2nd cashout game mode with only mid chars would be great too!

[polar spire]

increase the either the lunge or swing speed on the riot shield. Increase the walk speed when the riot shield is held up. let me have the riot shield up when doing interactions that only require one hand. GIVE ME A THIRD PERSON OPTION FOR MELEE. Fix the healing beam gauge too its not working

[woven meadow]

why players go invulnerable coming out of defib

[fluid willow]

Optimizing or replacing kill effects is a fun idea that can enhance the game's visual appeal and personalize the experience. Below are specific suggestions and concepts:
1. Candy Crumbles Effect
Visuals: When defeated, the target shatters into colorful candy fragments (e.g., stars, hearts, circles).
Sound Effects: Crisp candy-crunching sounds or cheerful audio.
Use Case: Ideal for casual, lighthearted games or holiday-themed events.
2. Snowflakes Effect
Visuals: The target dissolves into falling snowflakes, creating a wintery ambiance.
Sound Effects: Gentle wind or soft snow-landing sounds.
Use Case: Perfect for winter-themed levels or frosty environments.
3. Diamond Fragments Effect
Visuals: The target explodes into glittering diamond shards with light-reflecting sparkles.
Sound Effects: Crystal-clear shattering or glass-breaking sounds.
Use Case: Suits high-end, luxurious game aesthetics or reward-heavy special stages.
4. Glass Shards Effect
Visuals: The target cracks into irregular glass fragments with realistic light reflections.
Sound Effects: Shattering glass with echo effects for immersion.
Use Case: Fits sci-fi, modern settings or intense action sequences.

[glad brook]

Add an Fire Axe skin for Sledgehammer where you slice with the axe part on primary but on secondary you hit them with the back of the axe. It would be so good!

[barren silo]

So is this game officially dead? Just came back after a couple weeks of marvel rivals and every lobby is minimum 6 lights… is it the only fun class now??? Do sad how the devs gave up

[native plinth]

Cerberus either needs a range increase or every pellet set enemy on fire, its currently very janky and a coinflip if my 3 whole shells light an enemy up for 1s or does nothing at all

[dull kettle]

FIX UR GAME

[short widget]

idea for "when love hurts" wt event:
heal beam update: it now "transfer" your hp to the one you heals, in a 1:1 ratio. cooldown removed

[twilit cliff]

Anti-Gravity Cube ease of use change: show the gravity field radius at the end of the aiming arc.
I feel this additional visual guide would make optimal deployment of the gadget more intuitive.

[barren silo]

I don’t understand why the devs went the direction of Ls being the killers of the team and MH are solely complements. S1/2 was better whereas MH were the killing classes and L offered support by securing kills with their team. L has been overtuned to where team play no longer matters. L should NOT be this dangerous and it’s clear as to why less and less people play anymore. The developers don’t care about balancing so long as their biggest player base Light players, are happy and overpowered. Fix your game and make it fun for everyone

[quartz dirge]

hows silver elo been? tough?

[barren silo]

How’s getting zero play been? Get real with yourself clown. There IS an issue with the game and I made valid critiques of a dying game that the both of us love. I’m on your side despite my feelings toward balancing issues. Let’s not pretend I’m wrong when the game continues to diminish in player base. Dead in year if they don’t address the glaringly obvious problems. Just like Apex Legends, only it never had that level of success to begin with. Foh with that middle schooler mentality bro

[unreal zodiac]

please fix the spear right click its been so long 😭

[young hamlet]

1. Games not dying
2. Light is the games weakest class in high elo

[cunning jewel]

I report i have been queueing with a friend for 20 minutes to for ranked, we did not find one (silver 1)

[thick sorrel]

Notes the mid-season balance Patch 5.8.0 needs

Modes
Ranked

• No Rank Showcase in the beginning of the match
  (you see 1 Ruby/Diamond team and you have 3rd party right from the start)
• Fixed Spawn Distance to 100-150 Meters
• Wipe penalty increased from 10% to ~20%
  to mitigate 3rd party
• Plug bonus reduced from 30% to ~20% and add mid-hold bonus 20%
  to reduce the impact of plug only playstyle
• Quitters should take over +50% RS lost for each Teammate
  Reconnect time should be extended for Potato PCs

Season 6

• Merge World tour and Ranked to 1 Game Mode (make emerald achieveable by any wins, independent from the game mode)
• Less Game Modes overall, instead LTM in rotation (Steal the Spotlight, Solo Bank it, Power S, Terminal A, new modes - with 2x XP)

Specializations
Cloak

• Rework: Activates like Thermal (you can't shoot out of cloak); some sort of buff as compensation.
  This way you can't easily jump on players instantly.
  Charge & Slam
• Rework or cut damage in half
  Winch Claw (Stun Gun 2.0)
• Rework or slow the catch and pull animation down

Weapons
Model 1887

• Wider and random spread - perfect cross, really?
  Revolver
• Increase Magsize from 6 to 8
  Famas
• Slightly increase recoil
  LH1
• Slightly increase recoil
  XP54
• Damage increase from 16 to 17
  M11
• increase Reload time

Gadgets
Stun Gun

• Rework: you need to HOLD it, so you can't shoot your primary
  this way it becomes a team gadget and the counter would be, stick to your teammates

[iron pebble]

any news when the update will happen?

[minor notch]

never

holy yap under me dont read that shit

[ebon bone]

• Make Face/Head Paint separate Style cosmetic items from Body Paint so we can still cover our bodies in tattoos while having different Face Paint.
• Add randomizations for weapon
• The Deploy, Tactical Reload, and Empty Reload animations on the Holtow Fine Print skin are all just the AKM's default animations and are locked, preventing the usage of any other animations.

These have to be implemented

[languid valley]

Actual decent feedback in this channel.
Agree rly hard on the first 2 points 👍

[spark crown]

IT MAY SEEM CRAZY! I FOUND OUT WHY SO MANY CHEATERS GO UNDETECTED. A friend of mine is playing on pc and their name says they are xbox right? Recently I've been coming across a lot of suspicious xbox players that are blatantly cheating however "consoles can't hack", that's right they can't. Because I remembered my friend was on pc but their name shows xbox I've checked the accounts of the accused. They are fresh with 0 gamer score no custom profile and are a few days old. So far I'm 2/2 on my theory. I've ran into suspicious players that are shown as xbox however they aren't console they are In fact cheating and are on pc.

So far I've gotten 2 hackers banned that appeared to be xbox however their xbox accounts weren't legit. BE AWARE OF THIS. THEY MAY APPEAR AS A CONSOLE PLAYER BUT THEY MIGHT BE A PC POSER THAT IS CHEATING. it's genius because no one would question a console player for hacking because it's impossible.

I really hope embark looks into this and finds out how pc players specifically pc cheaters are managing to show up in game as console players. THIS PROBABLY EXPLAINS HOW A LOT OF HACKERS GO UNDETECTED

[heady wagon]

Add eclipse shade version to the heavy class shotgun that looks kinda like the spas-12 tactical shotgun

[unkempt holly]

Remove Low Grav also to the Spas-12 idea

[polar spire]

Blocking bullets with the riot shield should add to weapon XP. gimme more lunge on the shield embark. let me sprint while hold the shield forward ( ik you can technically already do that by running at an angle but still) itll look more terryfiing.

[brittle obsidian]

make the ks23 2-tap walls and get rid of its hipfire penalty like the other shotguns. its ability to breach walls is cool but weak when you take into consideration how much ammo you're wasting+how long it takes compared to other stuff.

[minor notch]

make it breach walls in 2 charges and buff the reload

[mossy karma]

I swear I'll delete this game if if won't get fixed this patch

[honest pivot]

Nerf tracking dart

[fierce valve]

NERF MGL. Its such a crutch of a weapon, it needs to have either a longer reload or a damage reduction

[smoky spade]

Does aps work against that?

[amber epoch]

This balance update is gonna hit guys I promise 😭😂

[calm bane]

NERF CHARGE N SLAM

[waxen thicket]

1. Explosion knockback for players when in air (for grenade boosts and rocket jumps)
2. A 2nd weapon slot for more individual flexibility
3. Extra 50 health for all to increase the TTK

[jolly glade]

Add a disguise kit for the lights. Similar to spy make it that we can disguise as enemy players. It would be cool.

[wind meteor]

when not being used (not holding right click) make the riot shield give 360 degree protection like I'm wearing a barrel.
when being used, let me roll in the shield at 10x the sprint speed.
make it so if I press left-click twice fast, the baton is thrown at the opponents from a distance up to 100m, dealing damage with 3x head shot multiplier, and comes back like a boomerang.
make it so if I press right-click twice fast, the shield is thrown at the opponents like captain America, running over all the people in its path.

[rain leaf]

Let the nuke come back that we can use it once in a round

[unique sandal]

SWORD BUFF CONFIRMED HALLELUJAH SPREAD THE GOOD WORD LOVE TO THE MELE COMMUNITY

[wind meteor]

Let me break it out for you. You came back after "a couple of weeks of marvel rivals" and you think you have a brand new observation? Well, literally nothing has changed in the game in the past 6 weeks, so either you're capping, or you like drama, or your observation is wrong.

Then you say "why the devs went the direction of Ls being the killers"?? I've been playing daily since beginning of S2, and it had ALWAYS been the case that the Ls are the DPS, Ms are the support, and Hs are the tanks. What are you smoking? And if you've been playing Marvel Rivals, you would have noticed that all DPS have the lowest HPs, and all tanks have the highest, and the strategists (healers and supports) have medium health. And this goes to any other game with heroes/classes.
"Light should not be this dangerous", what kind of effing boring class it would be if it was low health and low damage.

This channel is really being obstructed by self-entitled people saying the most ridiculous things for no reason.

[tame halo]

Since Light have non-reloading weapon, why dont Embark gave those kind of weapon to Medium and Heavy? A blowdarts for Medium, or throwing fans/boomerangs. And for Heavy an English longbow/Yumi (Japanese asymmetrical bow specifically Daikyū which is the bigger and longer variant of it), or throwing axes. All of which can be a mix of port job or re-utlizing already made asset that just need adjustment so it's not something that is from scratch per say.

A cool gimmick I can think for the English Longbow/Yumi thing that if it's fully charged/pulled back the arrow would pierce and be destructive to environments.

[main knot]

Throwing axe is 🔥

[jolly glade]

Be cool

[onyx crystal]

id worry theyd be too similiar to the bow and the sword on light, but those would be awesome weapons to use

[mortal notch]

Day 426 of embark
“Working on”
Mnk support

[north dew]

Can we stop nerfing everything please ....

[waxen thicket]

In Warframe Daikyu is only fireable after fully drawing because that is how it is supposed to be fired in Japanese culture.

But if wallpiercing is supposed to be a thing, then an arbalest would be a much better pick than a bow

[wraith dome]

sure why not ruining the heavy more and more

[grim sedge]

winch is kinda balanced ,i donno why it got nerfed

[inner narwhal]

It's possible cause i've seen in another game a cheater switching between plateform icons

[manic oak]

Its not just pc players posing as console players that are cheating. There are blatant cheaters all over on pc aswell. Because there is no efficient punnishment for it so they just get a new account and keep cheating. Just insane how much of it there is atm. And no announsments from embark that they even aknolage the issue. So dont think they will even look at the massive cheater issue any time soon.

[snow plank]

i dont think nerfing light survivability and damage output, reworking stun gun while triple mediums steamroll every game is the right move embark

[barren hornet]

Is money from power shift counting for that 50M trophy now? I didn't before -_ -

[twilit sand]

L patch

[fiery osprey]

W patch. Thanks for buffing my baby the cerberus embark!!!

[daring remnant]

Charge and slam kind of got nerfed slightly too hard

[teal ridge]

W patch. other than no heavy weapon changes like a m60 buff I wanted, w patch

[signal basin]

A lot of good things in the patch but I will keep my name. Still waiting for a XP54 buff

[fathom aurora]

model really needed another nerf? no changes to akm and fcar?

[minor notch]

embark still hasnt fixed this oppressive turret meta

[visual pulsar]

So light r intended to be used as a scout class that can assasinate single ppl with burst dmg, the only gun that can do it without getting destroyed is xp54 imo,because medium having ak,fcar and famas with 250 hp is crazy,lights have mostly 0 chances to do it. And while u have ability to scount with the specialization u can do it outside only in big areas,and u cant scout in close spaces like buildings for example,because either u face a medium or heavy and u get destroyed for sure.

In S1 there was wallhack gadget for medium,tbh I liked it very much and the tweaked version of it wasnt that broken tbh.
Why not give light class that wallhack specialization,it would help them with the scouting ability in closed section and additionally find isolated targets to elliminate.

PLS ADD WALLHACK SPECIALIZATION THAT WAS ON MEDIUMS FOR LIGHTS,aswell as giving grapple a second charge because although cooldown is low its still doesnt feel better alternative than dash or invis

And adding pure deathmatch(ffa) would be great addition!!!

[next flax]

THE WHEEL

[thick sorrel]

Finally a W Patch! Let's see how it plays👍🏻

[quick coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213275551612149850/1213290346176446504/gamba_1.gif why did u even added again

[cyan pawn]

FUCKING REBUFF THE DMR TO 50 DAMAGE THANKS EMBARK

[cinder lynx]

revert model nerf

[odd mantle]

add more daily quests

[tame halo]

yeah that's how bow works yet the Light's can be half drawn and do damages, the point of the suggestion is to let Medium and Heavy have their non-reloading weapons that still have a flair for their own class; hence the envorimental pirecing and damages.

also @onyx crystal the bow profile, especially if its a Daikyū will very different from the Light's standard bows. There's also the fact its weilded by a gigantic person to help diffrenciate it.

[red arch]

idk about the pike buff, but thank you for the event and the cns nerf <3

[spark wraith]

"we heard you loud and clear we'll nerf heavy charge slam because lights are our snowflake class and shouldn't immediately be punished trying to assassinate heaviest or team wipe solo"

[white sundial]

!!!!!!!!!LH1!!!!!!!!
A bunch of frustrated imbeciles. They weakened the already weak weapons in relation to other weapons. These weapons are truly effective only in the hands of strong, experienced players and cheaters. A disgusting course of the game aimed not at actual balance but at pandering to whiners.

[paper oak]

apparently lights main had complaint the most for this patch.

[quick coyote]

10m winch claw nerf
stop making everything worse
roadhogs winch claw has a range of 20m

[kind slate]

Nerf sword pls, Patch is Not Good

[sage kite]

Thank you for cerberus buff

[mortal notch]

The Cerberus buff is so out of touch

9x12->10x12 meaning it now does 120dmg instead of 108
The fire DOT does 31dmg over 2s iirc
For a total of 151 dmg

SHOTGUN META 2.0
YAYYYYYY

The way the cerb should of been buffed was through increased fire dmg and a increased chance to proc

(Also who tf through a pike buff was a good idea)

[tulip steppe]

W update but why a model nerf??

[vocal ermine]

Cant wait for next patch for winch to be reduced to 5m

[storm tide]

ok guys, can u make at least garranted reward system if we spent all available tickets

[vestal coral]

remove stupid throwing knives from noobs and also remove stupid invisibility from bad players. The light class is the class par excellence of the poor to get 2 Kills and annoy. Without this class many wouldn't even make a kill, you absolutely have to redo this light class, the most hated and toxic class ever seen in a game. And anyone who says otherwise is either main light or someone who doesn't understand anything about balancing. Because the light class in this state is obscene, and I'm not talking about weapon damage because it's right that a light does a lot of damage. But it has gadgets and some weapons that don't make sense to exist.

[zealous mural]

Are you kidding me ? Why would you destroy model that much? It was balanced before, now it's straight up unusable. I guess if you are not a light main you don't deserve any love from the devs, play the akm only. Such a cringe nerf with 0 sense (cuz dps of the model was the same as the AKM , now it's just shit). And you buffed the sword on top of that.... Wow, just wow. You seriously need to fire your balance team, they are searching for the even bigger sea bottom than league of legends balance team....

[stray pasture]

Why tf nerf charge n' slam? Maybe make heavy not able to kill anyone and reduxe it health to 150 at this point? The only valid way to kill invidible lights running around was take from us
And am I the only one annoyed that only light has ability to oneshot any other class, but none of other classes can oneshot even light? Why tf revolere hs dont oneshot light?

[fluid merlin]

@vestal coral

Yes this, it's not healthy that on average there are 5 or 6 Lights in a WT game.

The movement, 40% hitbox, highest DPS, most op gadgets and annoying specializations + it has a counter for literally every thing in the game.

[blazing rivet]

"Decreased the range of the Winch Claw from 12m to 10m"
what's the point of winch claw anymore.

[wraith dome]

basically no more reasons to play heavy after this update

[potent wagon]

"Fixed an issue where some pieCes of the map could be left haNging in the air when deStroyed" was awesome lol good one

[flint torrent]

just got the new update. Bloody sent heavy into the ground. honest uninstall

[distant sluice]

Embark wtf is this model nerf
(Goodbye and Good riddance to all the no skill n slam users)

[severe linden]

Light main - I feel like heavies are getting all the nerfs. It wasn't hard to dodge the charge with dash, they didn't deserve the nerf. 🤷‍♂️

Also Model 1887 didn't need a nerf. Hardly see anyone use it since the previous change.

[tired fable]

patchnote look cool, enjoying lockbolt, cerberus and CL40 buff however very very sad for heavy nerf.

let's see this in game

[wind meteor]

a couple of weeks ago they said in the patch notes that money earned in powershift will count towards some money collection contracts, but it was not clear whether it includes the achievement.

@minor notch people are split on nerfing/buffing the turret. but at the end, the turret was slightly buffed. so there is no meta. there is so many counters.

@mortal notch everybody was calling for a pike buff and LH1 nerf, to make them more in-line with each other. Not that I like the pike, but I think it's fair. they can always revert later on.

@vestal coral I only get annoyed by a 3-stack of lights, otherwise, they're not so hard to deal with.

@stray pasture literally everyone here wanted a C&N nerf, for the sole reason that it's always used as a button to end a fight with 0 skill. You would be frying your brain trying to attack and outsmart that heavy, and just as you get the chance to eliminate them, they obliterate you with the C&S

@potent wagon yeahh, CNS is coming back for S6 for sure.

[minor notch]

turret is so meta its just that most of high elo hide this from you

high elo acutally hides a lot of things, and one of them was this oppressive turret meta

[lilac kite]

More nerfs, even for stuff that nobody was complaining like the claw for some reason, at this point feels like they want nobody to play the game, this is awful

[serene niche]

Upgraded XeSS SDK to version 1.3.1

They be doing anything but adding AMD Fsr 3.1

[wide spindle]

With emote wheel being increased, I think we should get a separate wheel for sprays and gestures
The game has a lot of them but not enough slots to use, you have to sacrifice an emote for a gesture or spray, leaving most people just using emotes
Just adding either 2 for sprays and gestures with 8 slots or 2 wheels would solve the issue.

Or have "Locker gestures/emotes" and a wheel with everything kinda how fortnite does it

[mortal notch]

Add a water bucket gadget to light
So we can put out the fire dot of the cerb

SHOTGUN META 2.0 YAYYYYY

[full dragon]

The RNG Wheel Event again is terrible. One of the few things I dislike about the game.

[zealous mural]

If you are not the favourite kid (light) you can expect nothing good from this balance team. This game is Helldivers 2 2. Anything fun? REMOVE. you should rename patches into nerfing 1.1, 1.2, etc. Nerf this, nerf that, nerf everything, make everything unusable (if you are not a light main ofc). DESTROY ALL THE FUN EEEEEYY LES GO. it's a shame that a such a good games getting destroyed by the complete lack of any anti cheat, sbmm, and shit balance desigions. You hyped this patch like it was game changer, well... It is in a way, this might remove it from my pc for good.

[vapid sand]

Soo i cant remember anyone who wanted Famas to be nerfed.
Now everyone switch back to Scar/AKM because the other stuff is BS.
LH1 nerf, XP nerf, Sword Buff, lockbolt buff..

A wheel everybody hates which has received a lot of criticism because of the "gambling" problem in the past? welcome back.
Why do they distroy all the fun stuff..

i want my old "the finals Season 1-3" back

[vestal coral]

In fact, that's what's driving people away from this game more and more, literally every game and every mode is full of light. Except in ranked at high levels, but in ranked at high levels only a small part of the community plays. I repeat, I am not saying that light must become useless but that it must be redone and revised.

[earnest cairn]

I love the sbmm gripe because the game has sbmm but not enough players to have it work effectively lol

[waxen grove]

Why do you hate heavy and medium EMBARK? Now with sr buff power shift will be filled with camping rats

[wise jolt]

valentine skins and event is massive W

[austere delta]

There's a legitimate reason why the game hasn't had any legitimate pop off since season 1. They favor Light class too much and nerf everything else. Might as well delete heavy and medium and turn the game into a worse titanfall clone.
And on top of all of that they completely just ignore everything the playerbase criticizes like QC respawn changes. Literal months of "yeah this doesn't work can we revert it" just to be met with not even a peep of if they acknowledge it
I honestly almost want the game to start drastically falling off so Embark will take their head out of the dirt and realize the way they're doing balancing is beyond stupid and short sighted

[half quarry]

very nice patch, but I would love if you give us the option to CHOOSE a voice for our character, with more and more skins that looks neither male or female it would be nice to just let us choose the voice of our character instead of imagining what could be the voice of the thing we unlock/buy

[wraith dome]

the light is the only class that has a kill button (cloak+db)
if u used the c&s before u would know it was never a kill button unless ur a light + stupid enough to get withing a 5 meters of a heavy, also dodging c&s is not really that hard so it's skill issue on ur side

[gray solar]

Says that light gets a kill button. A kill button you have to be within 5 meters to use. Then explains that the charge and slam was only a kill button if you were stupid enough to get within 5 meters as a light.

lol, lmao even. BTW if the DB is an "Insta-kill button" at a TTK of 0.75 why isn't the SHAK considered an "Insta-kill button" against lights when it has a TTK of 0.57?

[azure dagger]

I’m a little tired of slug shotguns wish Cerberus got more wider pellet spread instead instead of tighter

[wind meteor]

OMG they're giving me free skins but I'm to greedy and want everything at once, so I don't like it 😭😭 grow up

@vapid sand whoever named that wheel, "gambling" clearly doesn't know what gambling is and is a greedy snob. YOU ARE NOT LOSING ANYHTING, YOU ARE WINNING SOMETHING. Even the National Lottery is more gambling than this wheel, since you are paying for it.

@austere delta guys please, they don't favor light on any other class. it's only that light are wining less. Now I personally think this is because it is the most picked class, and so naturally it will have the highest number of "noobs". If that's the true reason, then skillful lights will dominate high elo, then EMBARK will shake things up with the new season.

@azure dagger man you played with the Cerebrus you would have known how shit it is. you'll need to pray that you don't get any heavy with a flamethrower, a sledge, or spear, or any winch claw that could reposition you unfavorably, or you'll be dead half of the time

[weak valley]

Just wanna say light did not need any sympathy. Why more nerfs to heavy?

[flint torrent]

should un-nerf heavy

[echo bronze]

My first three spins have all been the same item. I get that we at least get something for duplicates now, but getting the same item with all 3 tickets of the day really sucks.

[ashen salmon]

again the f*** wheel omfg

[woven briar]

Still no mouse and keyboard support on consoles… 😢 please embark! Give it back to us plebs!

[mortal notch]

Day 426 of embark “working on” mnk support

[rough monolith]

nerf swords

[willow depot]

Just so you all at embark know, this unnecessary hate on the update, it will dial down when people actually try the game and get a feel for the changes! Big W update, all love to you at Embark, keep cooking! ❤️

[vestal coral]

finally new patch! And as always nothing changes or even gets worse! Wow! The sbmm is still horrible if not worse! The game is now unplayable and very few games are fun anymore. I got tired of this game, I wanted the best for this game, but like all pvp games nowadays it has become garbage with no reason to exist. I hope this game dies soon because there's nothing left to do anyway. Game for junkies and Cheaters.

[fleet panther]

Good update overall but I'm begging you please stop nerfing heavy 😭

[tall kernel]

Great update… but still sad we haven’t gotten a cool limited time mode like in the 1st seasons. Please come up with some new ones

[keen lily]

pike reticle flies around like crazy, fix it please

[quick coyote]

Still begging to add another contestant slot, just need one more for three contestants of all types 😭

[wraith dome]

exactly both classes had a chance in winning a 5m fight , still i only hear HeaVY hAs a kiLL bUToN

[torpid sky]

pike buff and cerb buff is insane embark, please consider getting a better balancing team

[outer jetty]

Un-nerf heavy, They made him from rock to liquid clay.

[ember gust]

Heavies kill button has mobility, destroys walls, and doesn't take up your weapon slot. Also, people complain about light's actual kill button, stun gun, all the time.

[gray solar]

Btw, as far as I can tell it's 100 damage for the initial hit and still 50 for the slam. So it's still an insta kill button. Sorry your combination escape button, environment destruction, cashout steal stopping, kill button deals slightly less damage but still insta kills lights. This must be really hard for you.

[tough sapphire]

Honestly two weeks for this ? The so-called Event is just the same as the Halloween one so not that much amount of work to do. The new skins in the store are basically copy-paste apart from the grenades (Which is a dope skins btw only W for embark). For the "wheel of love" not even half the Items are just small change to an Item that already exists (Again two weeks...)

I guess the bugs were difficult to erase and the small QoL update is just sad when compared to the rest of the update.

As heavy main I dont get it like charge is a bit difficult to control, you need to have good start in order to hopefully hit someone. The jump mecanic with charge was fun. And again Embark doesnt understand its own game (you get tased mid charge it stops it or glitch trap or nad stops you from using charge... ). Now we have long distance weapons that do more damage... Wow they destroy Mesh Shield and now charge because idk

Lots of content much appreciated embark... Remenber event like far west monaco, heavy las vegas, even snow ball fight was nice in a way. Its just copy paste of old events or skins now. And the updates are a complete joke.

Anyway, BIIIIG update guys the game CHANGED in ways you cannot imagine.

Cant wait for next season lmao

hahahaha they change the time for messages to 30 mins wooow

[north pine]

"Server timed out" every 2nd game. TFGE0003.
I play one game fine, the next one I start get this error, leave, next game is fine. ?????

[stuck rock]

i cant connect to games after the update, Error Code TFGE0002

[brave quarry]

I got some trouble in the way of understanding the developers, when we JUST want (for example) the LH1 nerf, we got this AND the buff of another weapon, now the pike is gonna be too strong and you have overcome the problem…

Idk man

[subtle oak]

Seems like a good mid season update.

The only issue I saw is Pike doing 50 damage. Deja vu to when the LH1 dealt 52 damage, 3 shotting lights with body shots…
Pike could do 49 damage but not 50.

[vital ice]

Ah thanks then

[teal ridge]

@signal basin I think XP is in a really good spot rn since the ammo buff. A little ammo goes a long way in these types of games

[quartz dirge]

No, it’s still pretty bad of a weapon. Bad damage bad range

[midnight quartz]

Terrible update

[mortal notch]

Add a water bucket to light so we can put out the fire dot of cerb
SHOTGUN META 2.0 YAYYYY

[dreamy badge]

Idk why people dont like this update. Only worry is the pike, but it might not be as big of a deal as we think.

Also the model nerf was entirely uneeded >:(

[buoyant linden]

I want my smoke grenade to have a hot pink Barbie colored smoke

[pulsar willow]

Despite sniper rifle got really good buffs this patch, turns out it's impossible to shoot after quick melee because of "bypass manual action animations" I can understand why they did this, but now sniper rifle is literally useless. After pike got buffed as well - it's now is the strongest long range weapon (pike is hitscan btw, while sr-84 not). On closer ranges you're useless as well. So where i can use sniper if I cant use it on long ranges because of projectile, can barely use it on medium ranges while getting outscored by many other weapons and I can't use it at all on close ranges? I really like how sniping works and feels in this game, and I hoped for many months of this weapon recieving a solid buff to make it viable but not annoying as it was on full-hitscan. I really hope this animation change will be reverted or at least altered in some ways

[vestal coral]

sbmm worse and worse

[real wyvern]

There was hope for akm and fcar buffs...
Instead we got a nerf for a famas.
Never ending cycle of nerfing the gun who got to the top from nerfs on other guns continues.

It is sad to see.
Watch the next "meta gun" get nerfed the next update.

Please balance the guns around being fun and good to use, not being crap.
Yes, you can balance guns around mediocrity, but man it is way less fun.

[inland bay]

I don't mind the bullet projectile physics so much, but I do mind that a Pike can shoot twice before my first shot lands.

[stuck junco]

FAMAS wasn’t even too much better than the other guns, I play Cerberus and AK and do fine yall complain too much

[hard shoal]

😡 😡😡😡😡😡

[loud hemlock]

ew the wheel is back? I'm gonna fucking throw up

[magic widget]

These changes seem great! Everything here helps to push the game towards its intended play style and balance. However, where’s that teased mgL rework they talked about? Also, let the spear be able to headshot, it’s the weakest weapon right now and it’ll differentiate it from the sledge more. Other than that, keep it up embark!

[steel marlin]

pls allow us to change round end countdown music to previous seasons similar to the music select we currently have. really dont like the current countdown music and wanna change it back to season 1

[slate vessel]

Heavy just feels unplayable after this update, my health is gone before I even get a single kill and I dont even get the chance to run away. im not sure if its just the matchmaking putting me against higher players or the buffs but everything was fine before this update.

@proven parcel Thats the point, im not great at the game so I should not be placed against players are way better then me, the matchmaking felt fine before this update.

[brittle obsidian]

Did you guys forget why you nerfed pike in the first place lol

[shadow patio]

meta feels like s3 meta just with a worse lh1, and nerfed medium util by comparison, not good very bad

[royal mesa]

I wish the WHOLE GAME would actually get a decent balance instead of lets nerf anything popular with minimal light changes

[north pine]

I was literally in the final round of world tour and this BS happened. Whoever messed this up, I hope you violently defecate yourself (TFGE0003, and I will lose all rating that I would've gotten from getting to the final round. Will not play until this is adressed.)

[proven parcel]

Ok come on man that is 100% a skill issue.

[drifting thistle]

Finally for so many season charge got nerf

[ionic hound]

I've quit this game since rivals came out and I'm more glad than ever I did. What the hell was this patch? "It's nerf or nothing!" Also adding gambling event back is a great idea I'm sure everyone loves that. In all i think the devs should just keep nerfing every weapon and gadget until none of them are fun anymore so this game finally dies. What an amazing patch ppl waited weeks for lolll

[frigid wasp]

Heavy niche not powerful unfun game

[fluid raptor]

nerfs are a bit too heavy imo. instead of nerfing lh1 you should've brought xp54 back to 18 damage 30mag and isntead of nerfing famas u should've just nerfed fcar recoil (in the sense of making it easier to control) and given akm 2 more bullets to give it its identity as the high damage per mag gun back. stun gun changes aren't needed either imo so don't fking overcook it. just nerf its range a bit and increase the cooldown by 5 seconds but decrease the priming time for glitch nades to make those a more consistent support tool for solo/duo players that can't coordinate as well, maybe even increase the glitch time to 7 seconds. stun is mainly good for being a CONSISTANT utility denier and helps get the important picks even for uncoordinated teams.

i'd also love to see u slightly decrease sliding friction to make movement feel a bit more satsifying and smooth.
and i'm still praying for a weapon fov slider and better server tps 🙏

in the patchnotes you referred to "listening to the community when it comes to the stun gun" but then you keep nerfing everything while the entire community complains about basically only nerfs happening since OB. i appreciate a long ttk but don't take all the fun away from guns and gadgets for "balancing purposes" if everything is the same, then everything is balanced, sure- but it's also boring af.

[vestal coral]

How did you manage to make the game even worse?

[clear quest]

I love medium meta

[mild hatch]

THANK YOU EMBARK TO BRING BACK THE SWORD, THANK YOU @iron acorn AND ALL THOSE WHO SPOKE UP FOR US EPEISTS! THE SUFFERING IS FINALLY OVER! THE WAY OF THE SWORD IS NOW OPEN AGAIN! LOVE ALL !

[bleak fern]

Another update another unnecessary nerf to heavy, nerf charge and slam for those few dumb lights who forget they can move, devs really showing they don’t know who to listen to because they don’t play their own game they can’t figure out their own game, even if it’s been weeks since they have done any balance changes. At this point most people should give up on this game, hyperscape

[wraith dome]

god forbid the heavy can escape

[lavish kite]

I don't get the logic behind these balance changes. all they could have done was just scroll reddit for 10 mins and with commen sense, they could just have buffed the mlg32, buff the spear, buff the dual blades, buff the akm, nerf the stun gun, buff the riot shield and everybody was going to be happy, but,,,,, for some reason, nerf the winch, buff the pike when they nerfed it for a reason, buff the sword(was not needed), and nerfed the charge n slam instead just buffing the goo gun and the mesh shield. ig this dev team just wants nobody to use heavy. If the escuse of this is "due to the win rate of light is lower the heavy" then have you ever thought of light classes having more players playing them and the majority of them are just begginers and that's why the win rate is low? I don't think this should be kind of a update in weeks and having everybody hyped for a winch nerf

[lilac coral]

@whole dragon Guardian Turret
Decreased the cooldown from 8s to 3s when manually picking up the Guardian Turret…. Thanks bro for all your support to get the turret fixed

[magic sonnet]

Glitch effect should rematerialize dematerialized walls

[mortal notch]

So that was a lie.

[ionic berry]

The fact that they removed the bypass of manual action animations just ruined the winch/KS-23 plays, like it's been in the game since the beginning and I've been playing it since the start of S3, and they just decide to ruin this for some reason. I've been one of the few KS players since season 3 and now there's no point in playing it anymore... This change doesn't make sense for a lot of weapons, very deceived of these adjustments

[echo urchin]

gAmbLInG.

If you left to go play rivals then why are you in here annoying us? Go to their discord and yap.

[uneven dagger]

Make it so you can see other players most played classes as well as a bias meter above them that shows up here in the discord

[tame halo]

best ever suggestion since the suggestion to delete this wack ass text channel

[lapis eagle]

Hammer is already handicapped, but they're still nerfing it. First, they nerfed the RPG, then the spherical shield, then the attack range, and then the dash and grappling hook. Almost all items and skills have become weak. At long range, you can only get hit. The range of movement is very limited, and the building ability can't make up for it. When encountering a good lightweight player, you'll be completely toyed with like a dog. Some unique gameplay styles and weapons have been removed. The Finals is becoming more and more rigid.

[brittle obsidian]

Winch nerf is ass, you can buff it to 50m for all I care just give it an actual telegraph

[vestal basin]

Fix the XXXXing bugs (I will not use dirty words to avoid getting warned by mods, but you all know how much hate and anger is in my words)

[gilded bloom]

Why do you guys love the wheel so much? This FOMO display is pathetic and reminiscent of the rise of gambling in the US. If you want to poach your customers, keep it to the store, and not based on chance. I want to come back to this game but you guys keep fucking it up with this gacha wheel.

[silent fog]

Some good changes, some not. Pike was already meta when it was 50 dmg with more visual recoil. You fix one issue just to make another one for no reason...

[smoky sluice]

finally the wheel is back, time to get scammed into buying shit again

[vapid sand]

Because people are dumb and think that they get "free skins" and we should be lucky to have that amazing wheel.
They dont get it that they need to spend money to complete the wheel...

[outer estuary]

No dagger rework😖

[tawny spruce]

WTF they just banned NVIDIA PROFILE INSPECTOR i just wont to use DLSS 4 and have better graphics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE wont better gaming expirience graphics and visuals why is so hard to be done

[pulsar willow]

i don't mind projectile as well. my issue is that if this weapon is not effective on long ranges - make it more viable on medium/closer ranges. cuz what's the point of sniper when lh1/pike do this job like 2 times better?

[teal bear]

Yall mf love to complain. Great patch EXCEPT winch nerf hella uncalled for.

[upper citrus]

You can also… not complete the wheel? And just get free skins? It sounds like your poor spending habits are tainting your opinion of this

[wind gulch]

I see the intent with the patch notes but it really drives the point home - you guys don't have enough data, or the right sets of eyes analyzing it, to be doing primarily data-driven balancing.

[golden harbor]

🙏

[deep bronze]

model is trash now, embark dont know how to deal with model, congrats

[rapid stream]

THANK GODDDDD

[proven parcel]

Did you just call out everyone for complaining and complain yourself in the same breath?

[bleak fern]

at this point embark is like dutch from rdr2, asking for more money while killing everyone you know and love "lets listen to the lights again they totally arent just getting diffed because they go for kills like its cod ☝️🤡 " also the person below me is a clown "there were more buffs then nerfs" you obviously cant read or you are just selectiveley reading

[sterile canopy]

there were more buffs than nerfs.

[nocturne shale]

Removed the ability to bypass manual action animations (such as using a bolt action or pump-action) by interrupting them

Revert this im begging you embark

[potent wagon]

loadouts are getting reset tournament rounds.

[unique wasp]

yeah being unable to melee cancel on manual action weapons just makes them feel worse

[cobalt dagger]

I feel like Model was in a decent place. Still powerful but the tighter spread made it so it required more skill to use. The 13 damage per pellet felt like the sweet spot for me.

I wonder if maybe they're trying to get more people to use the new cerberus but nerfing Model to get more people using the new weapon just ain't the move for me.

[mossy cape]

50 dmg pike brings us back to pike meta

[strange steeple]

Embark Destroyed the teamplay,
Embark Destroyed the model
Embark Destroyed the ks23

Embark created a monster
Embark created an overpowered pike
Embark created a shitty roofcamp meta

[oblique sage]

What a solid update! It's great to see the team at Embark really take into consideration the player base's main issues and feedback. I look forward to what they can do next.

[lapis saddle]

BRING KBM TO CONSOLE EMBARK

[austere delta]

I swear has Nexon starting dipping their hands into the game again? Feels like the only thing that's consistent and good quality are skins while everything else takes a dive

[tacit skiff]

You are ruining the game what are you doing The KS has become unusable Removed the ability to bypass manual action animations

[devout ruin]

Stooooooop nerfing heavy please everybody plays light and its the only viable way to play the game

[rare mauve]

Buff model, its butt now. Anyone who was complaining about it is just an unskilled player.

[mild sorrel]

glad to see defibulator is still the best gun 5.5 season on...................

[hollow badger]

Revert CnS nerf

[barren silo]

Love how you pulled so much out of your that I never said. You know what they say about assumptions, everything right over your head. Also because all of you don’t realize it somehow, casual players keep the game alive, NOT high elo, catering to what high elo is doing is stupif because it’s the smallest potion of player base. I’m not gonna bother reading your reply since I know you don’t care about other people’s thoughts

[merry prism]

Good patch, good job embark!

[north magnet]

CUSTOM SAFEZONES FOR HUD

[untold dawn]

Fix the loading screens on ps5 and make the game playable b4 you keep adding random bs please

[dusky apex]

as it should be

[lethal wedge]

And you call yourself a medium main 🤢

[sand hazel]

"hey guys we saw players were having fun so we nerfed a bunch of weapons that no one asked for hope that fixed that" - embark probably

[full lynx]

Please, for the love of God. Revert the winch claw nerf. Why tf do we always nerf the heavies. :(

[hard shoal]

Please make these things available as gifts for friends🥺🥺

[mortal notch]

Buff @hollow badger mental capacity

[ocean bloom]

They nerfed it twice 13-11 pellet dmg and Removed the ability to bypass manual action animations

[zealous mural]

you are deleted all fun from the game COMPLETELY. this is just sad. even the jumpad strats are now dogshit. literally 0 fun if you are not the light man, what an unplayable mess

[rustic vault]

Bit dramatic mate it is just one patch, you have like 45 days until the next one.

[oak nacelle]

yep. it was already short range enough. wtf

[verbal bane]

It's not. I played a few rounds right after the patch dropped. Pike is still not viable vs AKM and FCAR at medium or close ranges.

[supple mortar]

Ok you can say what u want about other weapons but sword was horrible to use since the nerf. Both light shotguns outclassed it easily, and you just couldn't reach people with lunge when they simply walked away from you.
You were literally forced to use dash with sword if you want to reach them while they were moving, the lunge had no distance and the hitbox for it had no range. And guess what being forced to use your dashes offensively does? Gets you killed. Because you cannot dodge anymore. You know what doesn't require you to waste your dashes, is good on all specs and is just generally better? Both shotguns, the bow, throwing knives, etc. Basically any other light weapon. Meanwhile, sword had and still has hard counters on all classes.
The fact that people still whine about sword being "op" is insane. It HAS to be bait. I hate this discord so much.

[red arch]

it’s definitely viable at medium range lol

[lavish kite]

I used them. after the nerf. It was good(a lot). maybe u lights are kinda wanting to much? : )

btw to reply, just edit ur previous messege

[cursive stirrup]

Give my Charge & slam back !!!!

[cinder mason]

People complained for seasons about CnS and the Model only for more people to complain that they're nerfed. Poety.

[olive vector]

You can't be serious.....buffing the sword when it needs nerfing so badly especially combined with the dash!

And if you give the CL40 user to take less damage when they shoot themselves then the RPG needs the same treatment please.

[brittle obsidian]

After being hard meta for 5 seasons straight, rip bozo

[tribal spoke]

Buff dual blades DMG!

[polar spire]

Buff the riot sheild swing speed or lunge

[cosmic ether]

uh model was a niche weapon for roughly two seasons before they nerfed mediums shit.

[cerulean wave]

At least lockbolt might be useful now

[rare iris]

Looks like instead of balanced HML and MHM, we'll have full lobbies of LLL killing machines and incapable of teamwork LHL. Good job Embark, looks like I'll have to play with a flamethrower again (until they nerf it again because of the squealing L's)

[upper citrus]

Model was hard meta since patch 2.6 when they nerfed FCAR. One nerf of a blatantly overpowered weapon. Model was hard meta for literally almost a year straight

[karmic cipher]

where frag nerf

[bleak fern]

people complaining about how overpowered the model was before last patch needs to be removed from this chat entirely the adults are talking

[sinful zealot]

Fuck gambling mechanics

[proven parcel]

Create intuitive changes and reworks that don’t involve simply moving dmg numbers around.

[potent wagon]

that seems to be the general consensus

[golden harbor]

frag indicator when

[gray solar]

Last time they did that was the SR-84 projectile change and that made the gun feel like absolute shit when firing right at the 35-45 meter range.

[echo urchin]

Yep. They can’t please everyone, and the unhappy / dramatic people will always be louder and more obnoxious, so, this channel will always be a trash fire.

[lavish shard]

Every quick play is only fucking light

[plush grotto]

Model got a nerf while it was already mid after the last nerf, pike got buffed into its previously glory of %100 pick rate…. Yet fcar is still gonna be mid as it’s been since s2

I am thankful for the Cerberus buff though, I want to ape with it soooo bad

[ionic grail]

Anyone complaining about Charge and Slam and Model getting nerfed needs to shut up bro.

If you had to crutch that shit to be viable then just admit you ain’t as good as you think you are lmao

[uneven dagger]

I love gamba

[dusky apex]

Thank you for the mostly good patch embark you hit a lot of rusty nails on the head and the game is overall in a better balance state now (hope the last big update fixes the rest!)

[oak kernel]

Another wheel is so lazy

[rare mauve]

Facts, anyone who is claiming that Model was "Meta" is just referring to a very specific group of Ruby players playing in a specific way. Don't balance around the top 0.01% of players

Even before the patch the model was underpowered, the only benefit it had was the ability to "peekaboo" enemies, otherwise the TTK was the same compared to the akm WITHOUT headshots (this is point plank mind you where a shotgun should have the advantage). And it has way less range, forcing you to play up close, it has a very long reload time, if you miss 20% of the pellets it requires a full another shot to kill the enemy. Meanwhile a rifle can kill in the same amount of time from way more range and if you miss a bullet or two it's not a big deal.

I genuinely feel anyone complaining about the Model was killed by a better player and was mad that it wasn't a rifle killing them. They're fine with a rifle killing them 100 times but once a shotgun does it they lose their minds.

[sullen marsh]

Yep. PowerShift now, had to wait 10 minutes to get a match, teamed against 4 lights all with SR-84s. All teammates dropped out in the first minute. Can’t get any ranked matches on PS with crossplay off, and WT is going the same way with too many light players. Game is dying on console. Does Embark care?

[lilac coral]

Still no text chat for console 💀 embark r you even working on it please just say something

[tacit skiff]

Even the grab nerf is horrible why did you do that You really ruined the game

[wind meteor]

so you're a professional stupid or you just act like it? things you never said?... I'm gonna entertain you and highlight what you said in your own messages, then tell me what I pulled from my hat. Also, I am a casual player and no where near high elo.

So is this game officially dead? Just came back after a couple weeks of marvel rivals and every lobby is minimum 6 lights… is it the only fun class now??? Do sad how the devs gave up

I don’t understand why the devs went the direction of Ls being the killers of the team and MH are solely complements. S1/2 was better whereas MH were the killing classes and L offered support by securing kills with their team. L has been overtuned to where team play no longer matters. L should NOT be this dangerous and it’s clear as to why less and less people play anymore. The developers don’t care about balancing so long as their biggest player base Light players, are happy and overpowered. Fix your game and make it fun for everyone

[thorny lynx]

VALIANT EFFORT AT MAKING THINGS BETTER. I AM TRULY THANKFUL FOR THE EVENT AND WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO EMBARK. BUT PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A WORKING ANTI CHEAT. STOP TELLING US YOU ARE WORKING ON IT. DO IT! EVERY SINGLE UPDATE GAME IS FILLED WITH RAMPANT AIMBOT. I ALREADY GOT A NOTIFICATION TODAY FROM A REPORT

[rugged ivy]

Can we get Bernal power shift 😦

[young leaf]

Can we just get a game mode without the toxic light class

[naive narwhal]

Can we get one without medium too?

[rustic vault]

You should see Reddit, it is like this but amplified 10x

[mortal notch]

Embark you forgot to actually balance the game twice now at the start of s5 and mid season

Lmk if you need reminding after telling everyone there’s going to be a “meta overhaul” next time I’d be happy to help

[sterile canopy]

did you not read the patch notes? There were some quite drastic changes.

[unique wasp]

light and heavy only gamemode does sound funny, maybe limit some loadouts too

[strange steeple]

Embark Destroyed the teamplay,
Embark Destroyed the model
Embark Destroyed the ks23

Embark created a monster
Embark created an overpowered pike
Embark created a shitty roofcamp meta

[faint sundial]

WHY THE HECK DID WINCH CATCH A STRAY WHY DID IT NEED ANOTHER RANGE NERF ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

[nocturne sand]

WHERE IS MY MGL BUFF

[torpid sky]

yeah it should've been removed from the game just a range nerf isn't enough

[wraith orchid]

praise this man

[barren silo]

Thanks for proving my point, I made no comparisons to marvel rivals. You not being high elo doesn’t change what I said. Good job buddy!!! Next, you can work on reading comprehension!!! So self righteous it’s embarrassing 😭

[quiet grove]

This patch is horrible. The nerfs to everything is horrible. This isn’t cool and I will be playing the game less now.

[ocean bloom]

Bro its like playing diablo 4 ONE PATCH KILLER

[brittle obsidian]

seeing heavy players defend the model is crazy lmao, like you're the victim too

[weary pine]

Patch is the biggest L yet Embark! Enough!

[winged wadi]

Olo Embark OLOOO We don't need 5 by 5 modes in this game, not necessary....we need a solo, a SOLO so that everyone is on their own with fast respawns, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW! what the hell kind of 5v5 did you shit yourself with the concept of laying a bomb, and now you want to give a shit in a des match... Well noooo

[polar blaze]

LETS GOOOOOO SWORD BUFF WE ARE SO BACK

[regal forge]

I just had a bug where some people from other teams were constantly revealed, like if they had a tracking dart on or something. I pretty much had wallhack for the half of a match. I don't have a video of it, couldn't record it

[pliant raptor]

Would've been nice to have a valentines icon reward for the player card

[proven parcel]

Titan fall 3 waiting room

[royal mango]

The wheel

[oak kernel]

Replacing actual events with a dressed up loot box event is incredibly lame. What happened to the events from the first two seasons where you'd play a custom mode for a bit?

[orchid abyss]

EMBARK, LISTEN TO ME... I’m done giving you ideas and feedback about what I want to see in this game. I’ve been playing since OB3.

I’m tired of Lights being catered to when it’s supposed to be a skill class, while scrubs whine nonstop that Light isn’t OP enough to dominate at the highest ELO.

At the VERY LEAST, if you’re going to kill the fun of Heavy and Medium, DO THE SAME for Invis, Dagger, Stun, LH1, Dash, and Double Barrel—using the same level of cherry-picked extreme scenarios.

YOUR LATEST BALANCE DECISIONS ARE MAKING THE GAME UNFUN TO PLAY. Just reading those patch notes makes me sick. How much longer do I have to wait? What’s the point of nerfing the Winch Claw if a Light can just dash / graple away and a Medium can jump pad into space?

SOMEONE AT EMBARK HQ IS A LIGHT MAIN.

It’s frustrating. You’ve been doing this since Season 1 in the name of "balance." Oh, you like a weapon that’s fun to use? Nerf it, you defend yourself and your team with shields? Nerf it. The amount of pissed-off fans HOURS after the patch notes dropped should tell you something—these nerfs are awful.

LISTEN TO ME, EMBARK. FINAL WARNING. I’m going to uninstall this game if all these unfun changes aren’t reverted.

I’m DONE. D-O-N-E. I’ve been giving you my detailed feedback and getting ignored, while you keep letting the Light class ruin lobbies. IDGAF if the stats say they don’t win enough—IT DOESN’T MATTER. Playing with or against them is NOT FUN. Light clas DOESNT NOT FIT IN THIS GAME, maybe in COD but not here.

There are way more important things that need fixing in this game. So why do you keep nerfing team-oriented utility in a team objective game? I DON’T GET IT. This is the reason all my friends quit the game. I CAN'T DEFEND YOU ANYMORE. If find out that all these nerfs are to help new players stick around, I WILL GENUINELY STOP PLAYING. If you care more about newcomers over your most dedicated player base.

I’m about to crash out. Please, someone, I need water.

[north dew]

Stop nerfing everything please 😦

[untold hazel]

honestly revert back to season 2
its def gonna be radio silent for the next five weeks

[lavish shard]

Do something for the light in quikplay its only light

[orchid osprey]

You guys need to bite the bullet and give light players a bit more health so they can stop complaining about the TTK, if you put another gun like the LH1 in the game I am 100% uninstalling and not looking back. Reducing the damage and the firerate by the smallest increment and calling it balance is a fucking joke. The light class is obnoxious and ruining the fun of the game

[alpine glacier]

Hey guys please be thoughtful about how the game feels before making comments. As far as weapon changes they actually are really good. They nerfed the weapons being abused in plat+ which made light a threat and medium a threat. They made lockbolt more effective and nerfed charge and slam. They also said they are going to nerf stun gun. They took all the input that most players gave and changed it.

[wind meteor]

You are honestly making a great point.
And I was saying previously that heavies are nerfed because they have higher rate of winning. But I think, the high winning rate of Hs and low win rate of Ls is because the skill issue Ls have when it comes to teamplay, while Hs are obligated to work as a team.
And so I completely stand by you that they should stop catering for the low skill Lights. Maybe give lights interesting gadget that would only help them shine in a teamplay.

For now, I think the patch is good, but I think with time, embark will have to address the obvious.

@river magnet yeah you're right. When you see that Light has the highest pick rates, you become sure that most of the "look at me" players are there. The irony about that is that they choose this class for how it's specialized in killing, yet cry like babies for buffs when they cannot get kills.

@barren silo Where did I compare to marvel?
You said lights are not supposed to be the killer class which is an utterly stupid statement. Lights had always been the killer class, and any class with low health in ANY game, is supposed to be the killer class. so for you to feel "surprised" why the dev chose to do so, is stupid.
No one has a reading comprehension except for you, buddy. No where did I compare the finals to marvel, and no where did I say that you did. Giving an example from a game is not comparison, and if you think so, then go play with special snowflakes like you.
Not waisting replies on you no more.

[mortal notch]

Pike buff to 50+
No sa1216 winch nerf
Completely out of touch nerf winch famas and cerb
Cerb one shots lights

The change to bolt cycling is weird and just killed sniper and ks

[smoky gust]

first impressions on the update are really good

[pastel cypress]

Let me get rid of the sound that plays when I heal someone to full it's so annoying

[mossy cape]

back to pike meta 😂 😂 that gun should never do more than 49 dmg

[nimble dragon]

Rage bait

[ocean bloom]

Bro this guy gets it everything you say is true

[jolly glade]

I would like to have old dagger back n I don’t think charge n slam needed the nerf tbh

[round hornet]

It literally just needs its main specializations to not derive value from the skill of the opponents rather than the user and it will be fine.

Good luck getting embark to understand that though, they don't even understand breakpoints.

[thick sorrel]

If they went for >50 dmg, more recoil or lower rpm should be applied too. Seems like they can only change damage values. Easy fix though

[cosmic ether]

they exist by majority everywhere else

[polar spire]

Buff the riot sheild swing speed or lunge

[patent sphinx]

Yep

[quartz dirge]

Wonderful ragebait, well said

[fickle eagle]

Please stop putting brand new players in the same lobbies as diamond and emerald. That's not a fun experience for anyone and definitely not a way to retain new players.

[wraith orchid]

pike buff is good as meta change but in every other ways crazy. but the sniper one. i love ya embark🫶🏻 this is the right direction. in air accuracy next pls?

[shy mural]

You created a great game, but then hired complete idiots to do the balancing. There is no other explanation. Either you hate your own game and want to kill it intentionally with this stupid light catering, or your balancing team/person is just dumb.

[hollow yew]

• Slightly Lower Heavy HP
• Slightly Increase Light HP and reduce DMG output

Bring things a little closer together. Right now Lights shred everything, while being insanely hard to catch if they are just somewhat skilled. Mid and Heavy are keep getting nerfed to the absolute ground. But lights mostly remain untouched or even get buffed. Yes they're supposed to be glas-cannons, but they are just way out of line. Invisibility and dashes are insanely powerful to evade death.

Every season makes things worse, nerfs all over the place, but less and less the right ones. When the game launched, balancing changes where ON POINT. But each season you're losing more and more oversight. You're sucking the fun out of this game. It seems like you're pulling things from statistics, but you read them wrong.
And since most casuals don't even get a glimpse to compete, they don't even bother about the game anymore, thus balanced matchmaking is crumbling. World Tour matchmaking is an absolute unplayable disaster. In ranked i keep getting matchmaked against full-teams of ruby while not even close to diamond. Player numbers aren't THAT bad, and if you have issues matchmaking ruby, then increase the their count. 500 isn't barely enough to be filled with all the cheaters you still can't catch. On top of that, the points-loss/wins distribution also don't make any sense when compared with my team-mates. Me with a higher rank than team-mate losing LESS points for a loss than my team-mate. But sometimes in the same scenario it's the other way around.

Not to mention trolls verbally abusing the team from the get-go, then don't play/leave/kill themselves for you to lose rank. There isn't any kind of protection system that would let us leave without being heavily punished in ranked.

Starts and Mid-Season patches are supposed to bring a meta change and balance. But they mainly look like you're unsure on how to balance the game. You're pivoting back and forth with everything, from cash out mechanics to weapon balancing. All while trying to solve core-issues that none of these basic changes could ever solve.

Then everytime i read anti cheat update in the patch-notes, the game becomes insanely easy for at least a weak. And becomes borderline hard the longer we don't have an anti cheat update. And no this isn't just a feeling, it's just so insanely obvious there's no need for actual data to understand what's going on. This game requires a drastically better anti cheat protection.

And sound. It's so hard to determine where the sound behind you is coming from. Any other shooter game i can pin-point someones location exactly. In the Finals it's always hard to determine if the sounds is emitting from you buddy running behind your right, or if there's someone else on your back left.

I'm here since Beta, and it was my absolute favorite game. But unfortunately Season 5 signed the end of this declining journey. And no, I don't have a "main" class. There's just no longer any fun to be found.

[teal minnow]

LH1 is fine , play with it and maybe you will know it's not a no skill high reward weapon aka ITS BALANCED. And if you can't counter a light it's on you.

[wide vortex]

☝️

[torpid sky]

cuz model was overturned and unhealthy meta same to charge n slam and btw they buffed cerb and pike and for lights they reverted an overnerf they did to sword last season that made the weapon unplayable and they nerfed lh1 so the real question is why is the devs favouring mediums and not light also heavy is more than fine if u think they some how overnerfed heavy then you're trippin

[umbral charm]

Imagine if there were less cheaters in every match 😀

[severe linden]

Pike busted

[alpine pebble]

I think the model 1887 is buggy

[terse lark]

they are going to buff more weapons next patch right?
right?

[mossy cape]

When the pike dmg got nerfed last season, the range got increased to compensate... now we're back to 50 dmg and the range is even better than before because of said previous buff. The hipfire never got gutted eithet so it still dominates close range and now it dominates long range again. Good job embark balance team, you gave a better LH1 to a class with almost double a light's HP and has better utility. We're now back to season 4 pike meta where any medium player can pick it up and become a demi-god. Are we really that allergic to learning from previous gamebreaking metas?

[young hamlet]

Patch has been out for literally like 6 hours and we're already calling pike meta?

[vital dawn]

heavy player mentality is insane, still have most broken class for competetive and high elo play, cry over a few nerfs

[fleet seal]

no point in medium support anymore, esp if there can be canisters that offer heals to teams like the first week of dissun challenge in wt.
take healing beam and defib out and give medium back recon sens: let everyone get their teammates up by hand b/c it’s fucking ridiculous that we’re unable to get out of a fight if our teammate hits us w/ defibs then dips out. some players put down a pad or demat a wall etc., but not having access to our gadgets and shit when our token is likely being camped is dumb (on top of us not coming back instantly like we used to in early seasons, now we gotta rematerialize just slow enough that a full trio can just stare at you then kill you again)
several players complained about quick rez and medium heals, but the healing beam range was nerfed; the healing beam capacity was nerfed, it overheats hella quick, you can barely fully heal a heavy; defibs is now worthless too. just give mediums back recon or come up with something new

[mild tide]

Nah no way they murdered the KS23, no longer being able to pump while quick melee'ing, literally kills the gun, it was already not doing as much damage as other guns and now it's just unusable.

[mighty cedar]

wow. you wait half a season for these trash changes, what the fuck are these devs doing all week?

[rugged temple]

W changes for the most part.
Best patch notes in a couple seasons.

[hot sky]

literally most of the things people were complaining about got addressed, why do you guys hate on the patch so much? 🤔

[plush fjord]

These Patch notes are ass. Period.
Stop catering lights just cuz they can't get into high elo. Instead make them more viable for obj.
Stop Nerfing heavies cuz theyre already in high elo.
Stop nerfing and buffing things that were never even in need of nerfs or buffs.

Genuinely the WORST PATCH NOTE in the entire game.
PS: Nerfing and buffing just a few things doesnt make the patch note good. What comes with them that the devs thought of with their own counts too.

[stray burrow]

after todays update my game is crashing just as im loading in

[untold willow]

Good changes, where my xp dmg buff at though

[oak kernel]

Why does the pike still have visual recoil man, it makes it feel absolutely worthless after moving at all. If the LH1 doesn't have it, the pike shouldn't either. It's not a balancing thing, it's a QoL thing man. A precision gun should not have such a BS mechanic attached to it that no other gun has atm.

[tranquil garden]

Why so many model nerfs? I know they want people to use the Cerberus but idk maybe make that weapon worth using instead of bringing down the other medium shotgun?

[warm compass]

give stungun to heavy

[supple nebula]

this tbh
We already thought the constant buffing of lights starting season 3 (i started playing S2, no idea of the state of light prior) was completely utterly ridiculous, can't believe it's still getting worse
Just because most of the player base plays light doesn't mean we gotta keep buffing light to make them happy while just completely disregarding the other classes

[untold meadow]

THANK YOU ON THE SWORD revert! We were struggling out here to get kills

[lapis oriole]

Why is Medium becoming the most boring class? The turret needs a rework to truly honor the name "specialization" because just placing a turret and nothing more is lame. Carrying the healing beam feels repetitive and becomes useless if the Heavy leaves or your team is double Light. Sometimes, you feel the need to dematerialize a wall, but you're stuck with a healing beam that can't even heal yourself.

On top of that, the jump pad and defibrillator loadout haven’t changed. Maybe a jetpack specialization or something could refresh the gameplay for Medium.

[glass pendant]

Ks 23 feels so bad now. It will need smth else buffed to not be garbage now

[twilit sand]

revert the balance changes immediately except for charge and lh1

[frigid grail]

pike buff needs to go

[outer shadow]

Not even that powerful.

[crisp heart]

THE WHEEL 😐

[sinful thicket]

i need the end of round theme of season one back rn

[covert nest]

This upper corner looks really cluttered and ugly now

[raw blaze]

Solo Bank it was the funnest thing with friends in private matches, and map voting would actually be peak for ranked!

[orchid abyss]

I've been respectful so far, but I CANT STAY SILENT anymore. This patch is getting on my nerves—I’m no longer understanding. I need my feedback taken seriously.

"New values offer a fairer experience" FOR WHO?! WHO?! Is the 320 backstab-dash (which I can’t even react to most of the time) a fairer experience?! Not to mention, it has multiple dashes to try again if it misses.

Why does the V9S HAVE 20 bullets, NO recoil and less than 1.5 seconds to reload?! (while all Heavy weapons take at least 3s, meaning that they get to reload twice before I can even reload once) Why does the LH1 have enough ammo to delete two Heavies at ANY range, ADS or not—even without hitting crits—and on top of that, reduced visual recoil?! Buffed the sword again, knives still don’t have a reload animation and the sniper which is a toxic weapon that should be removed—it functions as both a shotgun and a long-range killer for experienced players, is a pain for Power Shift players and teams stuck with newbies who just watched a YouTube montage and think they’re the next star. And let’s not even mention the Double Barrel

So tell me: WHAT'S THE REAL "FAIRER EXPERIENCE" THAT LIGHT DESPERATELY NEEDS?? This class doesn’t even have team-oriented specializations; it’s just me, myself, and my other me! Why can’t I say the same for other classes? Light is no longer high risk, high reward, and you still dare to nerf the rest of the builds. Give Light 100 HP, and you'll see just how broken all its utility is. Light does not FIT IN THIS GAME. It’s making everyone miserable, including Embark. Everyone gets it but you. You guys are so fixated on making Light "meta" that you haven't noticed the amount of HATE the community has for this class due to its unfair and selfish nature

I'm done, bro. I had almost 3 pages of feedback I was going to post this week (even though I have ZERO hope for this game's balance due to the upcoming tournament), but damn, you guys have literally surpassed my expectations. Im out

[dreamy badge]

Lol I figured. People thought the PIKE doing 3 more damage a shot was going to be a nuke. But simple damage per shot was never what made the pike hard to use

[feral elm]

I think I'm going to quit the game after Season 5. Every patch is mostly nerfs, going back to the beginning of season 4. They consistently fail to address some of the least fun things in the game (someone can sit invisible in a corner for 30s and then stun gun and murder almost anyone), and then they nerf winch, which isn't exactly destroying lobbies, and is already extremely underpowered against dash.

I love the game, but the approach to patching just makes me dread reading patch notes every patch. It isn't about one weapon - it's this sort of progressive nerfing in addition to removing interesting interactions (like the goo ship, or the lockbolt on cashout), as well as a rock-paper-scissors approach to design, rather than designing it so that if you KNOW what your opponent will do, you can devise a strategy against it. Most of the counterplay on lights is ONLY on other lights. What's the counterplay for a heavy vs dash? Or against someone who invises multiple times in a fight? Yes, I know, "get gud", but I feel like embark doesn't play their own game enough to see the dynamics that emerge in so many games.

Thank for you the fun hours up until now, but I don't think it's worth investing more time in this game with this approach to game balance.

[sonic arrow]

THANK YOU FOR BUFFING PIKE🙏🙏🙏

[mild tide]

The only reason the KS was usable was the damage from quick melee, I use it quite a lot and honestly, damage wise it's just not powerful enough to compete without quick melee. Honestly, now it's just not even viable as a niche pick, and that just makes me sad because I'd consider that thing to be my main gun. Just so sad.

[raven cairn]

I'm really going to miss this game. But after the most recent nerfs Its just...meh. I hope they add custom maps some day so I can enjoy floor is lava runs/ destruction competitions. But they've officially patched all the fun out of this game for me. The point was to be a high adrenaline explosion fest where anything could happen at any moment, it doesn't feel like that anymore, even on casual.

[dire sedge]

Why such a severe nerf to medium and heavy? Light is still obviously op. I'm not having fun with this game anymore

[split ermine]

the wheel is back 🤢

[flint dune]

This game doesn’t believe in freedom of speech snd the server doesn’t either

[quick coyote]

With the nerfs to Mesh Shield, Dome Shield, Winch, & Lockbolt and the Goo changes (which were essentially nerfs) Embark has removed every meaningful way Heavy had to interact with the map and objective that isn't damage-based. Heavy isn't even very good at damage anymore, because they've now nerfed RPG and Charge. Heavy's movement isn't good enough to compete with the other classes without explosive DPS potential. Without that (unless they unnerf Heavy's defense) there's no point to the class anymore. Best of luck catering to your Light players in whatever bland arena shooter you're turning The Finals into, Embark. You're absolutely choking the chaos, fun, adrenaline, & creativity out of this game and after over 1,000 since CB2, I'm done until y'all remember what made people love your game in the first place.

[mossy cape]

Yes, because that's exactly what's gonna happen. The problem with long range weapons like the pike is that it can't break certain damage thresholds. There's a reason FCAR doesn't do 25 dmg per bullet and the LH1 doesn't do more than 49. LH1 was broken beyond belief at the start of season 3 because damage went above 49. Pike for most of season 4 was broken beyond belief because it did 50+ dmg per shot so you could 3 shot lights, 5 shot mediums and 6 shot (eventually nerfed to 7, then 8, now back to 7 after the buff) heavies from across the map and at close range. Doesn't take a genius to realize the pike is back on the throne.

[wraith orchid]

I LAV JA CEMBURK. sniper buff feellssss sxoooooo gooooood

[heady turtle]

bye bye 👋

[stiff forum]

They just released the Loaded Cherub Skin again ??

[slender pine]

Can we buff light sword some more? Another buff this patch isn’t enough. We all love fighting against it.

Edit: also nerf medium and heavy more

[oak kernel]

I don't think it'll be pike meta, but the pike is simply not fun to use with the visual recoil still on the damn thing. If they were going to buff it, they could've fixed the visual recoil issue that is solved by using on-screen crosshairs (cheating imo).

[cedar eagle]

heavies stay losing every update 😔
that C+S nerf was too much man...

[main knot]

Server are really fkd up

[hollow matrix]

Good update love the buffs and nerfs well deserved , although the claw nerf is an indirect nerf to the spear, please buff the spear , its almost useless at this point

[past kraken]

😭📢😭📢Callback m1887📢😭📢😭

[inland cove]

why would you buff pike over that breakpoint it was fine. Pls less long range stuff close range is much more fun and fast pace.

[ivory haven]

I think the buff of pike is a way to defend lh1 in power shift

[autumn fiber]

Fuck me, they brought back the wheel... 😂

[hard badger]

Buff dager pls! Ever knifed a heavy it takes to long

[thick minnow]

You'll definitely get your wish. Embark buffed Light Sniper and Sword, nerfed Model, Charge n Slam and Winch. All of the weapons used to compete with Lights. I moved on to Marvel Rivals and if you are not a Light main, everyone should do the same

[brisk tangle]

Embark, i love you but please stop overnerfing Medium and Heavy while leaving Lights untouched.

[sage smelt]

why tf do you lose points when u have a random teammate intant leaving in the first ranked match --'

[mild beacon]

Can we go back to the days of having rpg one tap lights please tired of every qc match being 8 lights and im a heavy.

[upper citrus]

"wheel is so predatory"

log in and get 3 free legendary cosmetics for playing 1 world tour

[tall spoke]

day 22 of asking for 5v5 cashout

AND charge and slam suggestion. the devs nerfed the DMG because light players were getting hit to much. the problem is m&k players 360ing in .01 seconds. all this did was massively nerf controller players that cant turn around as fast as the lights are dashing, so they the need to make it so charge and slam cant turn around instantly for EVERYONE. if you keep the DMG the same but give it a turn radius then it will be more about placment and a tool and not how fast you can face your enemy.

and decrease winch CD.

[waxen grove]

They're nerfing heavy in each update,winch nerf was unnecessary.they buffed some weapons for both classes it's unfair, at least revert the lewis gun nerf ffs.

[plush fjord]

Ur the actually sensible person here. I don't how many brain cells I have to still ask Embark why they keep catering lights or go into used-to-be-peaceful powershift and see snipers camping on spawn.

There will be a point in this game's life where heavy and medium no longer exist and it's just COD with destructible environments. No support, no objective. Heaven for these low elo lights crying about losing from weapons they dont like.

[west trellis]

There is an audio bug where sometimes you can get an infinite sliding and or footsteps sound stuck to yourself and your totem. Sometimes it is soo loud you can't possibly listen for player movement and the constant noise kills the whole match for me. I was really hoping to see that addressed in these notes! Otherwise I'm here for most of it! Although now scared of pikes again

[quick coyote]

Another wheel are you fucking serious

Not only that but we only have till the 19th 😂

[sharp bolt]

ok. for once , I'll say that the sword buff was not needed. wtf lmao . idk anymore

[ornate sluice]

I’ve played since beta, put money into your game since day 1.

I’m done, you make heavy worse every season. You have no clue what you’re doing, god forbid heavies have 1 thing that’s halfway decent to prevent getting spun on or invisible spammed by lights.

I hope fragpunk is good cause I need a new game yall ain’t worth it anymore.

[eternal bobcat]

stop nerfing heavy😭
nuh uh lights with the trowing knifes are the most op
i got 28 kill in one match

[buoyant saddle]

wdym heavy is still the most op class

[plucky raptor]

Model is literally dead, bring it back a touch

[errant crater]

good update

[mossy cape]

Hard disagree about the pike not being meta. True, they should've just buffed the visual recoil instead the dmg. But let's be honest, when have people ever used the pike in season 4 because it was fun? Everyone used it because it was broken and now everyone is gonna go back to it because it's broken again. To hell with the current visual recoil on it, all the crutch players and sweats are gonna drool at the opportunity to kill everyone easier than before

[static wolf]

instead of nerfing the "meta" just buff the stuff that feels underpowered. nobody likes this game direction. it makes the game feel less fun.

[mortal notch]

It will be

And using 3rd party crosshairs is not cheating and is not bannable in any game u know if

[warped axle]

You were supposed to nerf swords not buff them

[gilded palm]

Since we are doing the "Spin the Wheel" event again, it wasnt good the last time we did it, i grinded the game every day and didnt get the big prize and felt like the game said better luck next time

[uncut vector]

Man, I haven't played the update yet but the patch notes are not promising

[jaunty wolf]

I have felt that Winch...

Might had gotten hit too hard

[oak kernel]

I believe it actually is considered cheating in this game (idc if it is or not tbh), but even if you put a marker dot on the center of your screen I consider it cheating personally. That's just me. I consider using outside advantages cheating as a whole. There's a blurry line between what hardware is considered cheating and what isn't, but I consider crosshairs pretty cut and dry.

People will use whatever they can to get an advantage, it's the devs job to make sure it shouldn't be an advantage. Visual recoil makes on-screen crosshairs a problem because it's SUCH an advantage aim wise for guns that have visual recoil - which is why I have a problem with the pike having it. It simply encourages people to use things that are borderline, or literally cheating.

[winged wadi]

Thanks embark ,really good balance patch !
But...lh1 + pike ...its .... very strong )

[red arch]

good riddance

also why is there a weird delay for shooting when meleeing with either the sniper, SA or model?

[ivory haven]

The nerf of 1887 is totally unreasonable,I just need a explaination and pay 800 multibucks for me wasted on its skin

[split ermine]

Game is bleeding players and Embark is freaking out. No more VRS purchases for this stupid wheel. We better suck the remaining playerbase dry. Latest patches and the season make it hard to still enjoy the game. I loved the finals but lately its just a grind and a job to finish this stupid sponsor stuff and BP. BPs suck anyways. You dont seem confident that your game can hold players and it shows with all this stupid challenges to keep players grinding. I expected better Embark.

[brittle obsidian]

there were literally more buffs than nerfs this patch but unfortunately heavy got slightly nerfed so reddit downdoot ⬇️

[gloomy cave]

Good update 👍 addressed a lotta issues keep this work up embark 🙂

[topaz jungle]

New balancing sounds good…look forward to trying it

[lament talon]

https://youtu.be/43wio8tQ3Eo?si=8De-DZV05nnD9XZ1

talking about finals health update

mostly Technical issues

[dull mirage]

preach

[north frost]

Everyone hates your nerfs. Stop doing it. Embark, sincerely, whoever is in charge of balance, idc how cool they are, get the control out of their hands. Revert almost every nerf you guys are ruining the game at every level

[whole bough]

Guardian turrets are not doing a 3s cooldown when picked up manually.

[swift dagger]

This might be my favorite channel ever just because of the sheer amount of people who basically just out themselves as people who are just flat out terrible at the game (and most shooter games in general)

If you actually think that lights didnt need a buff and should've been nerfed instead go hit the practical range. They are glass cannons and a free kill in a 1v1. "But the stun gun is a free kill" brother you have an RPG that's your free kill. I swear heavys place the biggest targets on there back and play the victim more than anyone I have ever met.

And to all the people talking about how the model needs to be back, no it doesn't. It had its time in the spotlight and there are so many other guns. You're not supposed to just pick one and stick with it and if you still wanna stick with the model, it's really not that bad just hit ur shots and you'll have fun. Embark really outdid themselves with this one and I actually can't wait to play later today.

[sand frost]

I am not playing the finals anymore. Too many heavy nerfs.
Doesn’t make sense to bring medium and heavy down to where light is instead of buffing light.

[ebon isle]

ur propably the type of toxic pike meta enjoyer in that case (lh1 still way too op)

[frigid grail]

Defib nerf was good are you slow or what

[quick coyote]

OH YAY THE FUCKING WHEEL IS BACK

[fringe hatch]

Still can’t understand why Embark doesn’t put animation for every weapon, that’s easy money right there what I am missing?? And as other pointed out animations and skins should be compatible each other unless special animations correlated to the skin.

[craggy mason]

LH1 nerf makes sense. All of the others don't imo. Absolutely hate the SR-84 buff

Why buff this??

What was wrong with the model and the famas. Both seemed to be in a good place.
C&S potentially makes sense, I used it a ton and get it is kinda cheese. Wench claw nerf seems kinda dumb though.

[dire scaffold]

100% good update

[main knot]

Only things that Is still killing the game are the fkn bad server, hitreg and lag are really bad

[zealous hawk]

Yeah, the thing is, light is so powerful because they keep getting small nerfs whilst everyone else is getting big unnecessary nerfs, yeah C&S had its issues, but it did not need that big of a nerf. I'm hoping the can nerf vanish/cloak, stun gun, m11 TTK, LH1, and the double barrel. DB needs to only 2 shot if you hit a head shot or two, m11 needs its TTK nerfed depending on what class it's going against, medium it should be maybe 20%, heavy should be like 15%. Also LH1 needs to do less damage to the body. Also, PLEASE, nerf stun gun, have it charge up for like 3 seconds, add an audio cue, and nerf the amount of time it has you stunned. Make invisibility more visible.

Also, power shift should be getting new maps soon since they spoke about that.

Heavy needs RPG buff and readjust the C&S nerf, buff winch claw and mesh shield.

Buff medium, FCAR needs maybe 5 more bullets or does a little more damage each bullet, akm needs a TTK buff, model nerf was a little unnecessary, so maybe want to readjust.

So they don't need to really buff the other classes, just nerf light PLEASE. They make the game unpayable and have zero counters.

[oak marsh]

Why is heavy (and sometimes med) only getting nerfed. CNS nerf fr? Nah, it only ever kills if youre a light and an idiot, just dash/grapple/run away. Light needs to be nerfed, cloak is the longest special ever

[wind flame]

The person at Embark that thought that they cooked with the sword buff, needs to be banned form the kitchen

[tropic snow]

its hell's kitchen constantly at embark's balancing
pike just needed a slight fire rate increase, now it's just as strong as s4 version that everyone complained about

[lilac bay]

I feel like I'm playing a different game than most people and am having trouble reconciling why a large and vocal part of the community hates the light class and how upset they get at the related balancing in this game. I feel that its not completely based on reason, and instead is some sort of issue of ego. They would feel that, even if statistically M and H are the stronger classes and have a higher win rate, that it doesn't matter because getting killed by the light class hurts them personally somehow and should not be allowed.

[quartz dirge]

Bronze warrior

[orchid abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1iicas5/why_would_they_remove_this_embark_is_slowly/ check the comments, people is speaking out, this game is losing its core identity

[graceful pike]

i think the fact of white roles writing all of these complaints really shows which skill bracket this patch really effects
i beg of you white roles please consider your skill level before you type out your requests
(i agree with the guy below me it was a weird nerf for model)

[gilded hull]

model was in a good position, i feel like nerf was unnecessary and its damn well unviable now

[weary wasp]

Perhaps a deliberate decision to make the Cerberus not look completely and utterly useless by comparrison? xD But I agree, not at all necessary to nerf the poor Model 😦

[crystal tide]

nerf quick melees they are quick and also they are melees!!!!

[echo arch]

Im convinced they have no idea how to balance this game! Model range was the problem not damage. I guess W on charge and slam!

[ivory haven]

They can just remove the model😭

[astral dune]

Revert the winch claw nerf pls :(

[bleak fern]

U must be stuck in December of last year because rpgs don’t 1 shot kill, lights with their unlimited movement fast healing and high dps weapons and you are still complaining sounds like you need to hit the practice range or do us all a favor and just uninstall the game

[sharp acorn]

Please give us those 2 other dailies back, only if it's just for XP, some people need it for their BP.

[dusty igloo]

This new menu UI is too cluttered and kind of ugly

[sterile forum]

Pike buff needs to be reverted, you shouldnt be able to 2 shot a light in the feet

[exotic vector]

Daily contracts removed for the event duration. perfect not buying next bp and ddont recomend otheres. if you dont grind the game no wasy to get all the rewards.

[tough folio]

Outside of the nerfing of everything. Stop giving a class things that another class is supposed to be better at. I DONT GET WHY DEMAT WAS EVER MADE. Why give another class something that a heavy is supposed to be best at but gets done better and faster with low risk and high reward. U can even restore the "demolition".

Even 1 or 2 jump pad just takes the place of playing a light with the speed and distance u can cover.

Why does everyone even get to use things like goo, smoke, breach charge (which is better on light class vs heavy), etc. There is no identity to any class which results in only TTK gunplay. TDM style players have won and it's sad to see.

[topaz jungle]

Ya’ll should bring back that movement boost you’d get from sliding onto jump pads. That was neat

[shadow patio]

rng wheel is awful, also stop nerfing fun why the jump pad nerf absolutely disgusting to remove that light and heavy both have ways to instantly stop a steal so why remove mediums way to do that?

[brittle zinc]

Can't wait for season seven when heavy is finally just removed from the game.

Seriously these patches are unforgivable lmao. Winch Claw is 10m while stun is 16? I wonder how many light mains are on the dev team.

Devs are huffing their own farts.

[cold bolt]

mostly w patch as far as balancing, but core issues like spawns sucking despite saying they fixed it, wheel 2 bad, and server tick rate still bad

[acoustic pagoda]

i just lost a game cuz i could not shoot, fix this trash game

[mossy cape]

Balance team trying not to be allergic to learning from their biggest mistakes (Impossible challenge), Pike reigns supreme once again, we're back to season 4 meta where mediums are beaming everyone not running a pike from across the map and in close range

[simple abyss]

Lol lights are protected by embark cuz the players are cry babies. People don't know how to use lights in a team game and cry about nerfs

[zealous mason]

please give more meaningful buffs everything feels like a wet pool noodle

[young leaf]

Mediums are making it dam impossible to cross the open stretch of space in soul with the pike glitch and turrets

[oak marsh]

Balance is insanely off in this game. I get into lobbies and I’m the only heavy. There’s maybe 2 meds, all the rest are lights because thats how you get kills. They never get real nerfs, makes the game less enjoyable

[surreal meadow]

The Wheel. The Wheel... all i can think about

[frigid grail]

@brittle zinc lights are not op and stun is nothing close to the winch so ofc winch is getting nerfed. @simple abyss lights are once again not protected but neglected they are the worst class by far

[viral fern]

Imagine bringing back the halloween spin wheel that nobody liked last time

[brittle obsidian]

i liked it

[vestal coral]

every update gets worse and worse and what's more they don't improve what was asked for from the beginning, for example a better sbmm.

[hazy orchid]

Roof meta is back, thanks Embark. LH1 and Pike camping is my favorite flavor of Finals. Can't wait for the Pike red dot to make it even more fun

[plush sand]

this hitreg is driving me up the wall

[worldly scaffold]

CnS got hit too hard imo, and stop catering to Lights, every patch... There is too many Lights in Casual, and everybody I know, has quit becouse of that. Everything gets nerfed that is not optimal for Lights, it is so sad... You keep doing the same thing, expecting different results, which is literally definition of madness. This is why your game is failing, no-body wants it to fail, yet you refuse to fix it.
Wheel stuff is cool, but it ain't gona fix main problems with your game.

[upper citrus]

Charge still combos a light to death. The nerf was for other mediums and heavies. Not catering to lights

[candid badge]

the light suck off is truly impressive, they are trying to kill the game as quick as possible and with this last patch it shows

[patent girder]

Hoping the CNS Easter egg in the patch notes means they’re making a comeback. SYS is still my favorite map, their glitch effect was dope, and the synth soundtrack was goated. Bring back CNS 2025 ‼️ if they bring in a new gamemode again I’d be pumped triple points if it’s duos ‼️💯

[vital dawn]

FIX THE GOD DAMN SERVERS OR NETCODE, HIGHER TICK RATE !

[true valve]

Bro could never use the pike

[harsh oak]

Keep reloading and spamming gadgets

[wide vortex]

nerfing lh1 and buffing pike wwttf

[waxen thicket]

Add part-based damage so that

Legs take 5% less damage, but also decreases movement speed by 5% for 0.5 seconds and can only happen every 5 seconds

Arms take 10% less damage but also reduces accuracy (and damage for melee) by 10% for 0.2 seconds and can only happen every 2 seconds

[silent fog]

Done farming dough wrangler skin so now they bury the model 😂

[swift dagger]

Dudes acting like the RPG is instant AOE damage. Lights are not as strong as people say and that's coming from me a on releasing Cerberus medium. Heavys will tank entire mags, have shields, instant damage and people still think lights are the problem. High dps is all lights are if you actually try to scope in for once and don't only hip fire like all Heavy mains do you'll actually kill them

[ornate sluice]

You're one dense bootlicker, afraid of different opinions so you bring others down. Please tell me how the invis buff allowing lights to camp on points and hide is "gun skill" absolute no brain take to act like just because lights are glass cannons doesn't also mean tthey can't be broken.

[drifting belfry]

Could be great if we had a default Nama Tama goo grenade skin , many variants of the best mascot ever exist but there's not just egg as it is.

[brittle obsidian]

they're glass cannons in the sense they're 90% glass and 10% cannon

[gritty wadi]

every single casual game i have is almost filled up with lights, which dominate the match 8 out of 10 times, its ridiclous. Im already quiting games which have more then half enemy team as lights, and they didnt get ANY nerfs?

Balacing game for the sweats kills the casual scene, so GG
Im off there are better games to play.

[frigid cloak]

Pike and Sword meta again? Really embark? Didn't you learn anything from S3? 🤡
Plug and 3rd party meta is still there...
Charge and slam noob meta is still there...
CL-40 spam will be back to deal with swords, since Model is dead and Cerberus is still a confetti shooter.

At this point you all are actually smoking crack... I'll still be on Marvel Rivals until you guys get around going to rehab... disappointing

[graceful pike]

I don't know how someone can be so off lmfao

[tropic snow]

can we get a lockbolt skin? the stock model is horrendous

[hot epoch]

Pipe

[rare light]

Is new glitch,

Sonar granat is non stop working and giving xray

Plis fix this

[crimson zinc]

anyone game crashing memory dump smthg?

[fluid raptor]

FIX THE GOD DAMN FKING SPAWNS ALREADDYY SGJNSsknmhGJidsfnhjN

[obtuse wedge]

Dev Note: The damage applied by Charge N’ Slam has been quite high for some time and is especially punishing for Light players, especially when repeatedly hit by the charge. We feel these new values offer a fairer experience
—————————————
The Ls that got hit MULTIPLE TIMES of charge should just either play sniper from far range or play H since downside of H is mobility, and if u can’t dodge as L, might as well don’t even play L🤡

[snow heart]

A nerf to charge-n-slam is most disappointing for H players like myself. Who the fuck is running the show at Embark and calling the shots with nerfs and buffs? All these clowns do is nerf everything for H. You can charge-n-slam through buildings, concrete, etc., but can’t charge through other players. What in the actual fuck is even the point of having the charge-n-slam specialty at this point?

It’s shit like this that drives people AWAY from The Finals. The devs are running a shit show over there at Embark.

[hybrid pecan]

I mean if you’re that close to a cns heavy as a light… you kinda deserve it

[quartz dirge]

buff pike nerf sniper nerf cns nerf lh1 nerf winch buff lockbolt nerf qm nerf model buff Cerberus nerf famas nerf turret nerf cl40 nerf sword

[oak marsh]

REAL. Lights are fast and have grapple/dash/cloak, if you can’t figure out a way to escape a charge then? That’s on you bro 😭 be a better light

[umbral root]

💯

[worldly aurora]

Add mouse and keyboard support to all playstation devises

[barren silo]

Tldr sure it was brainless slop though what a cornball

[quiet citrus]

model nerf is so retar***

[oak pike]

Game has been out for over a year and it still has hilarious issues like this that won't even allow me to launch the game after reinstalling it after an over 6 month break from the game. Foolish of me to assume the game would be in a better place in any capacity but the quantity of cash shop items. Embark has been incompetent from the CBTs and they need to unfuck themselves.

[lime lichen]

still no m11 nerf, why are the devs so bad

[quick shoal]

dude its unusable now wtf?/

[lilac bay]

‼️‼️‼️

[queen urchin]

Hello Embark,
Why don't jumpads that fall onto a cashout launch the cash out anymore 😭
I wanna winch launch people too
I wanna praise goo and fly to the sky
Do these things impact the highest level of play in a super negative way 😦
Dont stifle creativity pls, this game is lightning in a bottle and all of its unique mechanics come together to make even more unique strategies
Lots of love ❤️
Jammem

[mortal notch]

Day 426 of the game being a unbalanced mess

[blissful void]

I think this patch is a W patch and a step in the right direction.

The model nerf is tough, and cerb is def coming into play. It was in a weird place before with hit reg still being weak but now it’s completely out of meta and nerfed into the dirt. Famas nerf was fairly called for with respect to the other ARs, but Pike buff seems strong. Back to 3 tapping lights, which is at least nice with the loss of a comp weapon.

Changes to charge were long overdue, but I welcome them with open arms. Not sure that winch needed a change, but now mesh is undeniably the meta pick.

LH1 nerf was called for, it is a slight push in a direction that I’m indifferent about. I think it was in an ok place, but interested to see how this changes.

Overall I’m surprised and interested by the balance changes and keen on getting more play time.

One thing I’d like to highlight is over 60+ big fixes and improvements THIS IS IT!! Focusing on game health is an underrated part of the game and even an area that Embark I’d say can show a bit more love to. This is, again, that step in the right direction. I don’t want that to slip through the cracks in mine or anybody’s assessment. Are there still a ton of bugs in the game, sure. Absolutely. Will new bugs be introduced? Sure, absolutely. No game is perfect. Being in tech/engineering, I give embark grace as it is a lot easier said than done.

A few more patches like this and we will have the finals in a pretty exciting place for the foreseeable future.

[slender pine]

Game is just un-fun now. The Finals was the goat for 1 year. RIP to my fav game

[dark niche]

“nerf lh1!!”
“why did they nerf the lh1!!”
personally I think the lh1 has ALWAYS been balanced but yall asked for it‼️

[graceful pike]

It's like your the only white role that actually plays the game lol

[heady turtle]

See you guys never. 300hrs I think it’s finally time to call it quits

[vital hollow]

LOVE THE UPDATE! KEEP IT UP EMBARK

[bright nexus]

BAN SWEATY PLAYERS LIKE E1 AND RUBY PLAYERS FROM PLAYING CASUPA MODES, THEY STACK AND RUIN ANY FUN THERE COULD HAVE BEEN

[thick sorrel]

is Embark trolling Light or why is DASH not working?

[quick coyote]

LH1 nerf is a joke. No fucking way we are this dumb.

[earnest sonnet]

FSR3 please

[faint sundial]

Once again returning to say that I loved the patch notes until I saw winch claw get sucker punched. Nobody was complaining about winch, it is an unpopular specialization already, and it has been nerfed once before. Not to mention there are already other problems with it like getting shot in the face while they’re still on the claw in animation. What the heck was the point of the range reduction?????

[gritty grotto]

3.1, not 3

3.1 allows you to use FSR frame gen with DLSS upscaler!!!
3 locks u to the bad fsr upscaler

ANYWAY!

I really would love to see ray traced reflections. Seeing the enemies from a reflection indirectly would be INSANE!!!!!!!!

imagine!

[static wolf]

after over 2k hours im done. the devs dont understand what they are doing. long range meta is back with pike lh1 deagle being the new meta. winch and charge nerfed simutaniously. the game is over for the casual player while people looking for a true comp experience have long left. and now im gone too. have a good life everybody

[heady wagon]

I didn't get my xp (victory points) after winning in world tour. the xp remained tthe same and i didn't even had the animation that shows i got xp after i won.

[hearty bough]

This is quite the jump given that the update just came out and there’s no way you’ve played enough ranked matches in that time to say “this is definitely the new meta” just because Pike got a buff, lh1 got a nerf, Deagles untouched, and the CnS got a much-needed nerf.

Super childish mindset, at least try the changes out

[raven topaz]

low gravity still super bad and 80 percent of events it feels like

[ebon isle]

Long range pike meta is back and nobody asked for it. People playing in s4 will get ptsd and the rest will complain. Tempo is gone from comp and people will start 3rd party once they understand plug meta is nerfed by 50%, not by 1/3. A major step backwards. Imo they coulda raise the plug meta even more after seeing todays changes and played some games. Sword buff was unneeded and it will help only top sword players

[crystal tide]

guys i think we should nerf flashbangs

[late gorge]

Can healing beam overheat quicker please

[quaint echo]

Can we optimize kyoto? Other maps run better with this update, but kyoto seems to have gotten worse.

[misty cedar]

cant react but a 👆

[sand marten]

I completely concur.

[upper citrus]

Why

[jade cloak]

"I said gg, 5 times, and now im banned from playing this games for 72 hours!"

[signal basin]

Update after patch 5.8 :

For the game

• Increase the netcode/tickrate/servers. Getting kill at 3m far from a hammer/sword or behind a wall / door / cover is not ACCEPTABLE. In this condition, playing Light it's like playing a H but with 150HP. Servers can't register your movements !
• BAN CHEATERS AND TOXIC PLAYER. AND PERMA BAN !
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the beginning of a game
• Let us go in practice with friends please
• Delete low gravity event. It's not fun at all
• Fix events appear in front of the scoreboard
• Random skin and charm list for weapons/gadgets
• Add a TDM mode 5v5 in small arena
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the group leader
• Add the possibility to look at the profil/card of friends
• Patch the level up bug on weapons at the end of matches. It's been here since many months now
• Dash is trash with your netcode. Servers can't register a dash behind a cover and you will die anyway
• Give us the possibility to customize rules in private match
• More Limited Time Mode (LTM) in the game please or more XP event.
• Let us use our VR for XP weapons or other things (not from me but very interresting idea !)
• Remove the 5s leave. It didn't change anything

** For balance **

• Playing Light in your game is not fun at all. Charge, RPG, Frag nade, Model, Magnum, everything got faster TTK than anyway weapons of Light. Except SH who need to be a 3m or less WITH 150HP class
• Flamethrower make doubt about the weapon. Sometime it make so much damage + fire in short time. Looks strange time to time. I don't know what to think about it
• Buff Light survability or DPS. Light should be the DPS class but the game is always around Medium and Heavy class
• If you don't wanna nerf the grenade frag damage, add an indicator or make them more visual
• Nerf a bit Deagle damage or range
• Nerf Shak damage a bit
• Buff XP54 damage
• No more dmg on hook. It's nonsense. If hook do damage, stun gun should do too !
• Flamethrower and hook should NOT get you through walls or other.
• Nerf the right clic + Dash on Light. You couldn't dash with your sword or dagger charged
• Kill, Assist, Revive and Objectives points should add more points in ranked
• Spawn are still trash. You can wipe a squad on vault and they will respawn on the Cashout waiting for killing you. But after get wipe by them, YOU SPAWN AT 100M and MORE
• Rework defib: Reduce the cooldown reset to 5s and give 100HP instead of 50% of your HP. It will force Medium to revive more safety !

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time

[brittle obsidian]

you're a king gg

[raw blaze]

album when? ☠️

[mossy karma]

Is actually very powerful and this "nerf" doesn't really affect it's broken nature

[surreal meadow]

What a save!
What a save!
What a save!
Chat disabled for 3 seconds

[tacit skiff]

Embark Destroyed the teamplay,
Embark Destroyed the model
Embark Destroyed the ks23

Embark created a monster
Embark created an overpowered pike
Embark created a shitty roofcamp meta You just made me want to uninstall the game, thank you

[teal flower]

New balance update was mid nothing changed significantly for heavy again and the freaks who no life the game are talking down to anyone that doesn’t agree with them as per usual showing their immense intellect and genius nature

[glass fjord]

the wheel.

[bright oasis]

Embark lost the plot with this update

[graceful pike]

The only thing that really changed was model

Nerfing the charge and slam was valid as it was a long time annoyance for people playing against it
And I agree most of the gameplay stuff didn't change that much
LOCKBOLTS BACK THO
THANKS EMBARK

[raw thicket]

me when I can’t click q and do an instant 130 damage anymore

[vestal coral]

it's always great to have bots on the team

[warm compass]

why embark obsessed nerfing heavy ? while light kill in one hit ?

[quartz narwhal]

can u add this to the list what to do in season 6 embarak : add all maps to powershift its been way overdue

[vocal bloom]

why even nerf medium and heavy if you arent going to nerf light as well? what was the point of that?

[compact plank]

heavies had that shit for 5 seasons and it has been complained about for 5 seasons, even stun gun got reworked in that time but charge was untouched lmfao, this has been a long time coming and anyone disagreeing is a hardstuck platinum warrior who doesnt belong to even be close to diamond

[rocky plover]

I guess keep making heavy useless with each patch

[stray thunder]

So this game is the best thing that has happened to the FPS genre since humanity got pre sliced bred. Unfortunately it is not fun to play any more. You either get stomped or you stomp and neither is any fun for anyone.

I am not an expert but as far as I understand the player base is a little bit to small to make the match making system work in a reasonable amount of time. So the actual player base needs to be funneled in to few active game modes.

This means that:

World Tour and Ranked needs to be consolidated.

Bank it needs to be adjusted to please the TDM lovers. Apparently Bank it now has to many stations to far apart so the players get spread out like too little butter on too much pre sliced bread.

And sadly Terminal Attack has to go.

Playing is more fun when everyone is on the same skill level. Because everything is a skill issue.

[plush grotto]

there is an ungodly amount of invisible walls after patch. please fix

[umbral charm]

“Foreigners” 🙁

[swift dagger]

"Afriad of different opinions" as if every heavy doesn't act and think the same. Being sneaky is part of the lights kit. You are acting like one shooting lights with a sledge takes any skill at all. One proxy mine takes away invis basically. If you hate playing against cloaks just play with headphones and look around once in a while

[wet herald]

People were... it's a free kill when paired with a any of heavy's close range options. Mainly also being hooked from behind walls. It deserved a nerf but not necessarily what it got. Winch should automatically be canceled if a player collides with a wall

[cedar eagle]

people are just gonna whine about everything fun in this game until this game sucks

[sage sonnet]

I said it as a joke a while ago but im getting concerned that they will actually nerf weapons down so far that revolver is meta (I do love revolver tho)

[prime grove]

I think that slowing down the pace for balance patches has had a very rough impact on people's perceptions of the balancing team. Knowing that an overstep could be corrected in a week or two probably let Embark take bigger risks, as well as giving players peace of mind when something was clearly overdone. Nowadays people have so many different expectations and playstyles that it's very difficult to develop a patch which makes most players happy, and then they're stuck with that until the next one in a month or whenever. Of course, the disconnect between competitive and casual brings its own issues with what the balance updates actually should be, but that's just my two cents. Also, the creative stuff (bounce pad with the cashout, goo plane, grappling onto carriables, etc.) shouldn't be patched out. I'd appreciate an effort to adapt them into the game, in the same way as the nukes were way back when.

[quiet citrus]

model nerf is to hard... idk why they do this with the BASH -> RELOAD ANIMATION its to hard now

[nova plover]

If that happens then they’ll eventually nerf revolver too

[fierce valve]

WHERES THE NEW POWERSHIFT MAP

[slender stirrup]

same here , agreed

[north pine]

Nerf everything and give M11 one shot 👍🏻

[warm compass]

embark: you killing game by nerfing nerfing nerfing . balanced according to who ? stop it . heavy is dead meduim is dead . light player have all the fun . stop nerfing heavy its tooo much mesh shield - then c4 - now slam and claws . what the f are you doing ?

[wraith orchid]

FACTS! some changes may be controversial, but at the end the meta is shifting which is the most important. i would love to see team wipe penalties again though. hunting down a team to secure the win always has been really fun for me as well as escaping from it. and i would love to see 750$ per kill as it would lead to more situation where a team could be able to clutch by killing a lot of people at the end of a round. allways make the objectives the safest option to win, but allow multiple ways to clutch (obv with counters to it) to enhance the dynamic and complexity of the game. ❤️❤️

[solemn badger]

On the charge and slam idk ik sometimes I would see it played as a get out of jail card cuz of damage but I still use it as a brake down walls and make problems

[terse yarrow]

When will the differences between the classes ever come to fruition because I'm sick and tired or medium and heavy getting nerfed when you could just give light 200hp and lower their ttk. Nobody likes fighting lights.

[daring breach]

heavy and medium are way more viable than light STILL. they are not dead lmao, you just suck

[brave copper]

every time you guys change the range on winch it takes time to relearn that outer limit. Its a very punishing way to work on an already kind of weak spec compared to other heavy specs... just saying.

[plush grotto]

Get rid of defender coin, get rid of plug bonus completely. Jesus Christ. 20% is still more than enough to let a ratty team in with portals. I’m tired of the constant 3v6 on every single fucking cash out and cash box. Absolutely atrocious. It doesn’t pay to win your fight

[hard river]

wtf is this "balance" guys??? :DDD

[lilac coral]

Being spawn trapping the finals community with the Pyke ggs embark thank you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[nimble gale]

Game is cooked

[lament sable]

Hello experienced a bug today after doubling up a cashout, only one vault spawned after it completed

[prime grove]

Does anyone feel like the mid-season update schedule is a really big contributor to how frustrated a lot of people are with the balance team?

[hollow breach]

It defenitely is. They teased and gave us false promises of underperforming weapons and items being buffed and this mid balance is bare and bones at best.

For example where is the heavy grenade launcher buff they were teasing us weeks ago 💀 Next balance patch is 4 weeks away

[quick coyote]

Balance patch is bad

[warm compass]

Light is taking over everything i dont think nerfing light its fun to play light but dont keep nerfing heavy this game is ruined

[deep sierra]

This update is mediocre at best this game will die soon.

[arctic glade]

If you are going to deliver stinky shitty caca doodoo "balance patch" then please don't do it instead. People waiting half a season for reasonable buffs and nerfs just to see heavy getting nerfed again is comical at this point

[rigid shale]

hacking has been the worst it's been today in a long time, despite today's anti-cheat improvements. aimbot /wallhacks in every power shift.

[silent fog]

s4 had 50 damage pike and it was meta. Now there's less visual recoil. That's probably why he thinks that way/

[hearty bough]

CnS was LONG overdue for a nerf, 130 damage plus the INSANE UTILITY that CnS provides is simply too much. CnS could literally do 0 damage and still be strong just as an escape/destruction/CC tool.

It is still by far one of the best, if not the absolute best tool for stopping a cash out steal, since you can come through a wall and push the opponent off of the box, and they don’t really have any way to stop you unless they manage to kill you before your shoulder lands.

That said, I do not agree with winch nerf, wtf embark

[lapis elbow]

still waiting for game feedback option of "Teammates f*cking sucked"

[scenic night]

really helpful, thanks for the feedback

[frank jungle]

A little annoyed that m11 and xp were untouched

[paper hare]

I would really rather get new contracts instead of the wheel of gambling

[keen lily]

visual recoil is the same on the pike as it was at the start of s4, x2 scope was not fixed for it

[terse yarrow]

This patch is garbage, light gets every opportunity to engage and disengage but heavy just gets self damage and death

[vestal coral]

The downfall of this game is all those easy-to-kill weapons and gadgets. I can't wait for this game to die, because it's yet another game that benefits those who play badly and in a toxic way, I repeat, with obscene weapons with no sense of existing in a game. Unfortunately this game has become rubbish and can only be enjoyed by people who even know what a video game is.

[uneven dagger]

^

[ivory copper]

W GAME

[upper citrus]

yeah they should be buffed in 6.0

[lost talon]

every balance decision, every "optimization" decision, the map layout, the new gadgets, the battlepass and are all dogshit this season and the numbers will speak for themselves, they already did when nobody cared about any of this bullshit 1 week into the season and numbers were worse than the very end of last season. You dont even need anybody to sit down and explain everything to you at this point cause clearly the tolerance is too high for anything of value to come out, you hired too many new people. Great job finally killing solo queue.

[crystal tide]

nerf flashes

[wanton robin]

I am not happy at all with the event gacha wheel. It is like the game is going from a greedy wheel last time to an even more greedy wheel this time. 1. No items are purchasable anymore using VBucks 2. Still you are not guaranteed to get new item every time!
-> Please go back to previous early challenges system where you complete different challenges and get direct different rewards for each challenge you complete
-> If the wheel is absolutely necessary then remove the gacha bullshit and make it pick a random reward from the pool of unlocked rewards. In other words remove the ability to get same reward.

[hard river]

So opinion on your tour matchmaking system let's have a see:

I am playing from Beta with 1000 wins others 100 and 19 unranked
What matchmaking calculation can make this team together? A BLIND ONE?
I think the AI could make better software itself like your whole team did.
I think this gonna be my last season because this is ridiculous, honestly.
You should fired the whole management who made that team with that low IQ.

You made a brilliant game first 2 season was AAA FIVE STAR, but now lots of bullshit, tons of skins unbalanced weapons half of them are useless and nobody use them, now your game is AA only ONE STAR which is fallinng apart.

Well done guys, brilliant performance, and you got money for it waow.... :DDDD

[warm compass]

embark : this patch note makes me to stop playing why nerfing the worse class again of course, the heavy

[brittle obsidian]

yeah, idk why they nerfed lh1

[deep sierra]

Please go back to season 1 meta please

[rotund sluice]

REMOVE THE CL-40 AOE NERF

[languid badge]

bring us a meteor, ufo, or retro invasion event where it's always active. the meteor bounce trophy isn't just luck based to achieve, but the event is almost impossible to find (in fast game modes) and over before we can actually travel to where it's happening in many cases

[bronze quarry]

bros in silver and complaining about being matched with new players
@hot epoch don't get me wrong i still think the matchmaking is dogshit but complaining about new players when your playing in the ranks that are made for new players is crazy

[lime lichen]

Same, especially the m11

[hot epoch]

well someone in gen posted a screenshot where a gold and a ruby player were in the same lobby
Like he was in a team of 3 ~34k players and an enemy team had 3 ~47k players
and other team was only around 28-30k
like wth

[boreal relic]

Are the devs trying to force everyone to play light? What a horrendous patch. Killed the heavy class and neutered medium. Wish I could rescind my battle pass purchase

[sharp solstice]

You’re silver, know your place

[marble hearth]

new tournament is ass

[junior igloo]

lights have much better peeking ability, mobility, and regen in 7 seconds so they can pop in, do some damage, then leave. as they regen the heavy still has three more seconds to go and in that time can absolutely demolish them. seems like a skill issue, esp considering i have had no problem 1v1ing heavies and meds as a light being a heavy main. Take sword for example, the ttk is pretty awful compared to a gun but its movement makes up for it and can still be viable if used right.

"stun is the light wasting time"?? theyve just disabled charge, mesh, demat, dash, cloak, grapple and made it impossible for them to move and get cover making for a free kill esp with dash

[obtuse wedge]

I think it’s time for the devs to open a stream and sit down to chat with players before the game die at the end of this year follow by their crazy ideas that no one wants 🤡

The first anniversary could be the last if devs continue to make players suffer from all kinds of problems and issues that not only weapon balance or class balance but so many bugs and so many other things that were there months ago. By adding “Dev notes” at the end of each tweak in patch notes it’s like the king has order us to do this and that.

Lastly, been half of season since I play because I’m sick of this balance changes, so I decided to wait for the mid season update, and without a doubt you devs once again deliver the impossible joking patch that I’m sure, the players count will sky fall into the ground as usual, great job devs, look forward to see you guys call out last patch before closing

[ivory copper]

I think that the movement is pretty balanced for light, just stun is op and some weapons need nerfs(M11 and LH1 (was barely nerfed))

[solar bough]

players have been waiting for a balance patch all. season. long. and this is what we get? a winch claw nerf? devs say they listen to players but it must just be light players who complain on this discord. but sure lets buff the sniper that will help retain new players! who is making these decisions and please reassign them to recoloring skins

[mellow geyser]

Embark: The only thing you’ve buffed is my teammate’s Johnson, since I have to hold it as I move around the map.

[sinful zealot]

remove gambling

[oak marsh]

Diabolical

[prime grove]

I have a question: Clearly the competitive scene favors medium and heavy, while lights are very prominent in casual. What kind of balance changes would make a class better in competitive, but not in casual?

[oak kernel]

Please fix the weird goo gun issue that gets the goo stuck inside you when you're shooting it near objects. It wasn't like this last patch.

[wind meteor]

Umm, so what's the useful thing that you said?

[strange steeple]

Light is rly powerful in the competitive scene, u cant contest an hml with a hmm most time

[maiden shell]

To all the lights that wanted charge and slam nerfed. It wasn't a bad specialization, sure the turn radius could have been capped to reward you for dodging the initial hit, but now the damage is pathetic because YOU couldn't understand that when you have 150hp you need to keep your distance

[hearty bough]

Because LH1 was objectively OP in capable hands, it was fine prior the removal of visual recoil, but with the visual recoil fix/buff it became too strong (same exact thing happened to famas).

It’s a fair nerf, but I think v9s and mp5 need slight buffs to round out the light weapons a bit better

[smoky sluice]

how can the performance of the game just get worse and worse?

[restive field]

Balance is worse than it was before this update.
Pike is OP now. It needs headshot damage multiplier buff, that's it.
Heavy was in the good spot earlier, he is absolutely useless now.
Light gets countered by medium so hard now. Glitch mines, motion sensors. The only good weapons were m11 (now countered by cerberus) and LH (now countered by pike). And the only thing that makes sense now is sword, aka noob gun.
Both light and heavy are useless. It was HML meta before, its MML meta now.

[delicate basin]

Cant switch to my primary by using numkeys while sprinting

[midnight aurora]

lh1 nerf did basically nothing

[harsh panther]

I can’t believe they nerfed charge and slam… how could embark expect me to use my weapons? I will find the baka on the balancing team and show him what it’s like when I’m angry..

Jokes aside thanks embark for the charge nerf even though most of the changes were unneeded per usual! Maybe listen to actual community feedback instead of just spinning a wheel on what weapons you want to change for some reason

[trail nymph]

thank god they nerfed charge fuk that spec WINCH FOREVER

[night glen]

I see Embark did NOT give us the ability to mark maps as "Don't wat to play" ... have to wait 5 seconds EVERY time to leave Kyoto and have gotten it 8 times in a row with waiting in between to not go back to the same lobby. WAKE UP EMBARK

[ornate sluice]

the point is there are a ton of mechanics on lights that are OP including the sword. You're the one acting like light takes skill and heavy doesn't It's just not the case. Play for a few more seasons before you chastise others cause you have no clue

[untold willow]

If your dead set on reworking stun, make it basically a glitch gun disabling gadgets and specs and stopping steals but in tern reducing the movement penalty to maybe only walking

[hard river]

@sharp solstice dear idiot, i have a big question to you:
All of my friends stopped playing with this game because it's getting worse and worse season by season so i have to play solo.
What do you think when i was diamond in the first 2 season and didn't play with the third one lack of my time.
Don't you think that when i have to carry every single game and babysit those players who is not on my level what should i do?

Before you talk you should think before that's not very difficult, but rank up with idiots that is difficult especially when dear embark team made this amazing ranked build up system, right? But yeah very easy to throw someone that fckin silver stfu and these kind of low IQ burp from you.
That is not my fault that the matchmaking is stupid and can't even count numbers correctly. Also I can't win alone sorry, maybe easy to you playing with friends together but not in low level without friends, i would be very curious about your skill with noobs on your side that's what i tried to explain but your mouse brain can't pick it up. What do you think what is my main problem???

They should throw everything wipe the whole project and set back the S2 backup to fix this colossal issue with the game.

Well done to stupid idiot answers, really....

[tropic snow]

only 3 eye types work on the arch rival face

[rich saddle]

There is some problem with SR-84 currently. Rn i get a bag where i supposed to shoot and animation goes but the bullet doesn't come out and number of ammo doesn't decrease. It just makes an animation of a reload but nothing happens. Yesterday everything was totally fine

[visual pulsar]

So light r intended to be used as a scout class that can assasinate single ppl with burst dmg, the only gun that can do it without getting destroyed is xp54 imo,because medium having ak,fcar and famas with 250 hp is crazy,lights have mostly 0 chances to do it. And while u have ability to scount with the specialization u can do it outside only in big areas,and u cant scout in close spaces like buildings for example,because either u face a medium or heavy and u get destroyed for sure.

In S1 there was wallhack gadget for medium,tbh I liked it very much and the tweaked version of it wasnt that broken tbh.
Why not give light class that wallhack specialization,it would help them with the scouting ability in closed section and additionally find isolated targets to elliminate.

PLS ADD WALLHACK SPECIALIZATION THAT WAS ON MEDIUMS FOR LIGHTS,aswell as giving grapple a second charge because although cooldown is low its still doesnt feel better alternative than dash or invis

And adding pure deathmatch(ffa) would be great addition!!!

[oak marsh]

Oh sorry love, I think you misunderstood 😅 I meant the matching was diabolical. Like as in that’s a shitty round and sucky matching lol. I think it’s perfectly fine to be annoyed about that, I would be too. I only cue with friends because randoms leave/are shit

[prime grove]

Really? I don't play ranked or watch tourneys, but I always got the impression from here and the subreddit that light wasn't really worth it over defibrillator or the defensive stuff heavy can do. Is that not as true anymore?

I guess I can rephrase my question: What can be changed about M and H to make them more appealing to casual players, without destroying competitive?

[sonic spoke]

Really... Decreased self damage in cl40? Needed to go up. It is 4.4 RPGs!

[spice stag]

The changes to quick melee-ing with weapons with a pump mechanic is extremely shitty, all it does is make those weapons feel more clunky to use since all of them were very closely tied to quick melee combos to have good breakpoints.

[glass venture]

Why are my ranked matches impossible i have a 6k score eith my team and every other team hast 30k plus I aint that gd 💀

[jaunty vapor]

Don't think anyone liked this change

[narrow belfry]

Not nerfing the 2x headshot multiplier on the LH1 is diabolical no other gun in this game even comes close to that insane amount of damage of would’ve taken a headshot multiplier nerf rather than a damage and rate of fire nerf

[potent solar]

death by rodent group emotes

[lofty zinc]

Fix the lag ffs. I keep dying because of it.

[worn hamlet]

PLEASE sbmm, I keep getting qued up with level 10 people, its silly to be emerald and be getting qued with people who just started the game~~~~on the other end of this YOU'RE MAKING NEW PLAYERS FIGHT EXPERIENCED PLAYERS---YOU THINK THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE IS GONNA BE FUN OR MISERABLE WHEN LEVEL 10s fight level 70s

[untold willow]

XP buff pls 😭

[hearty bough]

in reality it's not that effective, if each grenade were actually as good as an RPG (even though damage is similar, AOE is not), then people would actually use it. CL40 is still garbage tier

[stoic cradle]

Idk what they did but this update made my game freeze anytime an explosion goes off

[red arch]

quick melee change was not it, pike is overtuned :(, we're back into a medium meta and i already have PTSD on how the pike sounds

ranked changes were nice but could deffo be "harsher" as you do have WT as the casual cashout experience and ranked would be where you actually are required to take it a bit more seriously

charge and slam nerf was great, but the winch nerf was definitely weird. could we perhaps see a mesh buff soon?

[graceful pike]

While everyone is complaining about everything
I just had some of the best matches I've ever played
The lockbolt a season 5 item is finally back in the game and it feels amazing
I've been sticking people using m60
Goo gun is great
The movement is great
Some lag tho 😡
No cheaters since you updated matching
Better spawns
Casual is casual
Ranked is sweaty
Randoms suck ass
Really loving this season (winch was uncalled for tho, you have a week)

[gray solar]

I think this is The Finals biggest issue right now, next to a lot of built up bugs they desperately need to fix. I think I huge amount of the "unbalanced" weapons are actually just people dealing with the next to no SBMM we have in quick cash, power shift, and Bank It. Combine World Tour and Ranked, have your Rank, that goes up and down with wins and losses as normal, and a second bar that only goes up with wins and not down with loses which is where you get the WT skins for that season. That will cut down on queue times by a lot, and then give us some SBMM for other game modes now that you have fixed queue times. And I swear to god the first person who brings up smurfs, hackers, and rank abusers as an excuse to not have SBMM should just leave. Yeah, you can't have perfect SBMM but some SBMM is better than what we have now.

[terse lark]

amazing update guys. i cant even play the game anymore. it just crashes every time i open it

[grand halo]

servers are dogshit. my raspberry pi is faster than these mail servers from 2003 yall are using

[warm bronze]

Removal of animation canceling on the SA lowers the skill floor dramatically

[winged wadi]

AHHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAH NICE REGISRATION EMBARK!!!!!!! https://insights.gg/v/2p3gQ9fORvkceSvEYyFXB

[bright nexus]

EMBARK GIVE ME THE VALENTINES MENU MUSIC PLEEEASE ITS SO GOOD

[junior viper]

W patch, when reddit starts crying, you know you're in the right directon

[devout grotto]

holy crap that quick melee pump change is disgusting 😂 this game built an identity for itself and that is slowly fading away.

[spark laurel]

I'm getting so many invisible walls this patch

[quartz dirge]

Ranked being sweaty? Shocking!

[worthy bridge]

the subreddit is so salty lol
I don't get why everyone there is so upset
Maybe some of the changes are questionable but a lot of the changes were stuff the community asked for