💣┇weapons-gadgets

[cosmic oriole]

i have plans for a sillicone gun sa-1216

i did a weird kitbash to visualise my idea

[tame aspen]

no new light content for at least 500 days

[sullen bear]

I just looked at all your concepts they are so good

[last steeple]

Heard that at the 1000th day we'll get 46 new weapons, gadgets and spe

[slow linden]

The mgl rework was promised to me 3000 years ago

[last steeple]

They actually made a tiny step towards it

[slow linden]

It's not enough

[last steeple]

Yeah but you can witness the light at the end of the tunnel

[brisk acorn]

Give light a revolver or hand cannon of some kind 🙏

[stoic garden]

WRONG, they are playing cloak lh1

[wind pecan]

There is silenced handgun

[brisk acorn]

Yeah I know I just want that hand cannon feeling but on light

[wind pecan]

Will that be fair ? Because of the low ammo count ?

[wind pecan]

And the recoil makes it pretty hard especially while moving

[brisk acorn]

I know. It’ll probably need a really high skill level to use effectively but I just really enjoy the feeling of Titan and revolver even though I main light

[wind pecan]

Hmm, but the recoil is hard enough to make a light get thrown around

[wind pecan]

It reminds me of that mission from modern warfare from 2019 where kid Farah had to shoot a revolver

[brisk acorn]

Lmao true

That would be funny

Hear me out: the throwing knives should have their own melee where they can stab.

[wind pecan]

Like a dagger ?

[brisk acorn]

Yes but it doesn’t need extra damage

[wind pecan]

Weak dagger

[brisk acorn]

I just want to use it as a knife instead of elbowing them

[wind pecan]

You know I am thinking of a new light specialisation

[brisk acorn]

Cause your already holding a knife

[wind pecan]

Yeah that makes sense

[brisk acorn]

What is it

[wind pecan]

Going through walls but not the dmat just directly going through it like a dash but only through walls and ceiling

[brisk acorn]

Yo they should have the reaper tp from ow hear me out

[brisk acorn]

That would be cool

[wind pecan]

Let me check it out i don't know what that is

[brisk acorn]

And when you’re in it you’re invulnerable

But it only lasts for a short time

Like another of reapers abilities lmao

[wind pecan]

It's a teleport right ?

[brisk acorn]

Yeah but he also has a mist ability and for lights they could use it to go through walls and be invulnerable

Lowk these would be really cool

[wind pecan]

Can they attack in that state

[brisk acorn]

No so it’s balanced

[wind pecan]

So getting nullified with extra perks

[brisk acorn]

Yeah an escape tool

But it would only last for a short time so could be used to avoid getting pulled by heavy or smth

[wind pecan]

Yeah that seems nice but a bit overpowered tho , like a garunteed escape

[brisk acorn]

It would have to be really short but could also be used to phase through walls like your suggestion

[wind pecan]

That's what makes it overpowered

But what about floors tho ?

The charcter would just fall in that state ?

Or it only works through vertical walls

Because legit walls don't actually exist in this game except some walls

[brisk acorn]

I think just vertical walls

[wind pecan]

Will it work tho, from a technical standpoint

[brisk acorn]

I have no idea

[wind pecan]

🥲

[tardy light]

is damage falloff linear for all weapons?

[indigo nexus]

yes

[cyan brook]

Hi

[sudden pewter]

Orange roles bouncing turds betwixt eachother

Day ruined

[dry widget]

How are we using Hover Pad?

[shell sonnet]

holding up cashouts
hiding mines
blocking doorways

all niche
best case: against annoying melee users

[pallid bison]

what is you guys' feelings on sword lights

[old quiver]

they're underpowered

[sudden pewter]

Annoying

[warm ginkgo]

Why s everyone playing turret right now??

[sudden pewter]

Turret changes

[warm ginkgo]

What did they do, must've missed that

[shell sonnet]

didnt check the change log this season, whats different on turret?

[dry widget]

Yea, I've been experimenting with it and it feels very niche for my playstyle

[slow linden]

Melee isn't really annoying though,not more annoying than poke anyway

[warm ginkgo]

sword is so hard to hit

[stoic garden]

transformation complete

[sudden pewter]

Less damage, faster rotate

[stoic garden]

i've become lewis

[warm ginkgo]

Increased patrol rotation speed from 30 degrees per second to 40 degrees per second

Decreased turret vision angle from 45 degrees to 40 degrees

Increased damage from 5 to 6

Decreased fire rate from 450 RPM to 400 RPM

Decreased setup wait time from 4s to 3.5s

[shell sonnet]

thx

[slow linden]

They made it infinitely infinitely easier to use when they gutted it into the ground

[broken mulch]

I’m assuming ur talking abt the cam lock

[neon barn]

i've been using the sword like just trying to get close from behind my target or from where they least expect for me to come

[muted condor]

No

[broken mulch]

I mean yea u gotta do that but sword still sucks the only thing it’s got going for it is movement

[neon barn]

it does have the lunge

[broken mulch]

Yea that’s movement

[brisk acorn]

Ouch

[gusty thorn]

What should I spend my gold coin on besides the healing ball

[brisk acorn]

Drip

[slow linden]

How the fuck do you lose to minigun with deagles from advantageous range to the deagles 😭💔💔 @sudden pewter

[sudden pewter]

Firing max RPM

It's a bad habit I suffer from too tbh

[slow linden]

Here's some other highlights from the ranked game

[slow linden]

Lackluster accuracy to be fair,that guy 100% could've had that

[broken mulch]

thats not even the issue bad aim is one thing but why would you keep peaking when ur that low its just not worth it

[slow linden]

I won with MVP somehow

[sudden pewter]

ebic

[slow linden]

Their medium tried to counterpick me with crossbow in the final round but he was dogshit so we stomped on them

He prolly would've done better had he stayed on FCAR

[slow linden]

Heavy doesn't need a marksman rifle he has the deagles,light could use a revolver though @deep mason recommended a really cool revolver for light about 7 months ago I'm pretty sure

[broken mulch]

guys im not piss colored anymore

[frank sorrel]

Anyone that plays cloaking device can drop some tips please?
I understand that the more u move, the more noise + visible you are. But would appreciate tips, sometimes even if not moving, i feel like easily spotted.

Been spamming in it point break cuz noone pays attention, but still some players seem to be see me easily, others can't spot me at all. Why is it so inconsistent.#

[slow linden]

Excellent

[broken mulch]

wow its a piss colored LOSER could never be me

[slow linden]

Never take a 1v1 that isn't in your favor,punish fleeing and panicking enemies,harass their flanks and backline while your teammates advance their Frontline

Even if you die given these instructions you should do enough damage for your pushing teammates to capitalize off of your labors

[brisk acorn]

Yay

Revolver supporters 🙂

[slow linden]

Here you go https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1420793706721841252

[brisk acorn]

This sounds peak

Last word/sunshot iykyk

[slow linden]

I ran sunshot in crucible with two purple rarity stasis handcannons that I would hot swap between,one made big stasis crystals on kill the other was explosive

My heavy weapon I rarely used so it didn't really matter

[neon barn]

yeah, considering the fact that to use the minigun, you have to wind it up before firing

[mystic sedge]

what’s the best specialization for heavy’s nade launcher

[stoic garden]

charge and slam or goo gun, usually charge and slam

[mystic sedge]

thanks

[uncut lantern]

Why doesn’t the Pike have access to red dots?

[mystic sedge]

what kit should i run with the mgl

[neon valve]

whats mgl again?

[young trail]

Yo can someone help me build a load out for light?

[neon valve]

are you new?

[young trail]

Yea I'm pretty new

[neon valve]

gateway is a must

[young trail]

I like mobility of grapple but am currently using dash with gateway, Pyro nade and arn-220

[brisk acorn]

Grapple is fun but dash is more competitive

[glossy flax]

mgl is heavy's grenade launcher

[neon valve]

seems to be that case everyonce and a while i run into a grapple light who always escapes with a sliver of health

[young trail]

Should I switch to grapple and maybe get the vanish bomb instead of gateway since idk how to use it?

[late sinew]

Guys is there any suggestions tap

[neon valve]

learn to use gateway its really strong for defending, moving team, and vault

[mystic sedge]

does anyone know what kit i should use with mgl?

[cerulean pebble]

I allways liked mines and charge and slam. Mines to protect anyone coming near and charge and slam to finish up kills

[wind pecan]

Assumption it will basically be a repeater then .

[wind pecan]

And can also be used to kill opponents in a high iq way

[arctic zodiac]

Geez they really murdered the Famas with the last recoil change 🙁

[sudden pewter]

Weapon types aren’t a checklist. Some weapons simply aren’t good ideas for an archetype. Light has a sniper, but Light also has a smaller health pool that forces them to reposition when focused. Does that mean Heavy should get a sniper? No. Because Heavy can fortify an area and become difficult to remove/push due to defensive utilities

[arctic zodiac]

No wonder noone uses it anymore.

[chilly granite]

play it in quick cash and focus on finding positions that are sneaky when uncloaked

invis is best played at distance

quick cash is nice because you can effectively play aroudn the enemy teams as well as your own

cloak/bow/null/frag/gate is a really nice loadout that owns quick cash games if you play it well

the bow is nice becuase it breaks your invis when you draw it, so you can't rely on people having shit screens/eyes to get lucky kills, which is otherwise very viable

it will drill you to use invis "properly" in a way that won't be punished by good players. IRL/ranked you don't want to use bow with cloak because of the same reason - you'd rather have the chance to get lucky if possible - but in quick cash as a training arc, it's best to make sure you don't have that factor

frag makes all classes a bow oneshot - Med, bodyshot, heavy, headshot. Light is arrow or quickmelee after a frag.

and nullifier helps with stall and cqb fights becuase you have bow/invis and are useless in close quarters unless you have the aim of a god

cloak+vanish bomb is bad because you can abuse the cooldown to be invis basically all the time, but good use of cloak is being in spots where you're super hard to spot, and then using invis when you're rotating between spots or when the enemy is searchign for you

cloak bow null frag gate is also super duper fun

it feels like your playing skyrim or crysis 3

[stoic garden]

https://youtu.be/5TmZXlpQRTU go to 12:15 and you'll instantly learn it, it's so easy with a rythmical approach

i basically dont miss my bursts anymore

[stoic garden]

biased ass shit just play cloak lh1 and headshot spray anyone who dares steal

[arctic zodiac]

Its demanding so much more from the player than before the recoil change. Ive played it for like 3 weeks straight and still get better outcomes with the Fcar and Akm. I play quite alot but getting shredded in longer battles.

[potent socket]

Has anyone mastered new. Shock wave?

[potent socket]

Movement wise

[stoic garden]

it does have worse ttks and (empty) reloads after all, whilst it's worse at range than fcar now, it's more underpowered than difficult to use I'd say

[stoic garden]

i only play dematerializer, sorry

for only moving yourself it's pretty easy I'd say, just turn around and use it with whatever angle you want to be boosted, with some particular jump pad interactions

[indigo nexus]

I don't think I ever paid attention to this graph before
to this day most of the game's negative reviews were in its first week

[potent socket]

It doesn't work with the jump pads u place down but with the ones in the map u can launch your self 2x higher

[stoic garden]

with self jump pads you can boost yourself horizontally too

[potent socket]

I've tried it it just makes is bounce lower.. Unless u were to time it perfectly but it's harder on self jump pads

Tbh shock wave can counter winch in some scenarios

[last steeple]

once you get the timing its easy to do it consistently tbh, but you need the timing in the first place

[potent socket]

Yeah I do still try get the timing but it messes me up sometimes

[deep mason]

@lone wagon 9 ammo

[lone wagon]

hmm, alr

[lone wagon]

whats the dmg multipliers, and base dmg tho?

[deep mason]

Don't know Devs decide

[lone wagon]

kk

[deep mason]

Upvoter here #1420793706721841252 message

[uneven minnow]

Bring back thermal😭

[warm ginkgo]

Most irrelevant thing ever, and smoke is still terrible without it. People can just see right in

[uneven minnow]

Shhh its my least leveled item I need it

[warm ginkgo]

I genuinely forgot it existed until now ngl

[rough arch]

Specialization idea for light:
the fat man from fallout! It recharges every 10 seconds and it can blow up the whole map! I always thought this game needed more spice in the mix. Moreover, the fat man would really enhance rotates, by removing the whole cash out! Thoughts?

[uneven minnow]

Bro wants killstreaks so bad

[dark sparrow]

i dont even want to imagine a spec that charges with kills

[dark sparrow]

we need the oppenheimer skin combo

[uneven minnow]

Smile

[rough arch]

We should also have an smg version of the cl-40 for light 👍

In general we need more bombs

[civic salmon]

Cmooooon Embark....you know this would be a killer dagger skin... you literally wouldn't even have to design anything... its already all there

[rough arch]

It would be cool if it changed classes based on the last player you killed

[civic salmon]

that could be neat! Back when I designed this orginally (season 2, been pitching it for awhile) we only had one statue lol

[rough arch]

When you kill, the statue could be thrown up out of view and you would catch the new changed statue. Or maybe it could be kind of like the akimbo reload animation where it has the glitch effect!

[civic salmon]

I envisioned the inspect animation could be playing with it like an action figure while mockingly saying "ehhhh defib is workin its magic.,..ehh BANGBANG Ahhhhhh im dead"

[rough arch]

That would be awesome

[civic salmon]

😄

[shell sonnet]

am i being stupid or can you just not place hover pad while on a zipline?

tried to do it in a match just now, didnt let me, gonna try again, but if anybody knows

[civic salmon]

could do one for every class. for heavy he could mockingly say "oh no, five damage, better charge n slam"

[rough arch]

Fr

[civic salmon]

and then for light, of course, "good day sir, good day to you sir"

followed by "stabstabstab"

[rough arch]

Stabstabstab would fit very nicely

It should also change colors based on who you kill as well

[civic salmon]

OOOOOOO! and give a super rare chance on inspect for him to go "Don't shoot! wait...what?

Theres so much you could do

[rough arch]

Embark just hire us to make skins already

[civic salmon]

I MEAN...

I DO HAVE A PORTFOLIO

[rough arch]

That looks sick

[shell sonnet]

nope, just cant
why tho?

[maiden siren]

Idk but you can always jump off whenever
It doesn't change much

[civic salmon]

or the lava luster melee set

[maiden siren]

The virtual gameshow setting basically gives us full freedom
It's what fortnite wanted but we did it better frfr

[civic salmon]

For real.

[maiden siren]

Mostly cuz we don't have Nicki Minaj with Rick and Morty yet too 😭

[civic salmon]

I think thats why gettin into this game kinda relit my creative art spark

[maiden siren]

The only downside is monetization
We ended up having so many peak skins that our wallets are suffering 😭

[rough arch]

I’ve dropped too much money on cosmetics…

[civic salmon]

Like I would have loved to see a "Malware Worlock Airad" skin this season

[rough arch]

The cosmetics are just too good tho

[maiden siren]

That and most people get so much value that embark ends up having to raise prices on stuff
People get angry at them for that but lwk as long as we helping this game grow and they aren't greedy, I'll spend all my money gladly

[rough arch]

Absolutely 👍

[civic salmon]

Coming from ow2.... youre not even guarenteed to get a skin every season for the charecter you play an when you do...baseline its gonna be at least $20

if not 40-60...and then pray you dont play someone with a 85% ban rate

[rough arch]

Damn

[civic salmon]

and you only have 2 weeks to buy it

[maiden siren]

I think what makes the finals so much better in terms of customization is the separation of different parts of clothing
No other game does it this well
Especially considering that they do all that AND make it easy to distinguish classes regardless

[civic salmon]

this

[slow linden]

The parasite does not need skins

[civic salmon]

it took what made transmog so popular in wow but without the baggage

[rough arch]

Yeah I like how I can have big cow shoes and a tuxedo at the same time

[civic salmon]

I mean, I agree. I was jus designing concepts for artsy sake

[maiden siren]

Winch ain't that bad imo, maybe the stun from the winch should be removed at most

But like today not the day for me to be arguing for it ✌️

[slow linden]

Make a spell book or scepter skin for flamethrower

[maiden siren]

I'm in the middle of praising the customization ❤️

[civic salmon]

I also made a custom Orf for someone

[rough arch]

Or just make a spell book or scepter as a new weapon 🙏

[civic salmon]

working on animating atm

[rough arch]

I already feel robbed since the mace wasn’t a new weapon

[maiden siren]

GIVE US HAROLD THE HOVER PAD
WALTER THE WINCH
HENRY THE HEAL BEAM

[civic salmon]

Hank, the hoverpad...an hoverpad assessories

[slow linden]

Nerfing something into the ground is not good balance,rework it into something fun,like the rope tool from gmod or something,it should be fixed or removed,there is no other path for winchclaw it's taken too much from heavy for any more half measures

They keep tweaking and Nerfing it while still Nerfing and reworking weapons around it,it's just so tiresome

[civic salmon]

I jus think winch shouldnt hook players on its return trip

[maiden siren]

Checks out, for now its bearable tho especially considering shields now counter winch
And winch players consist of either melee or short range weapons for the most part

[maiden siren]

If you think about it, it kinda makes sense tho 🤷

[slow linden]

It's only bearable because it's ass,it has already been nerfed into the ground

[civic salmon]

once again...virtual gameshow... lol

[slow linden]

Half measure,no good.

[uneven minnow]

🤨

[civic salmon]

I think the bigger problem than winch tho is goo stun. There should be a dimiinishing return

its jus not as wide spread

[uneven minnow]

Nooooo

[slow linden]

They advertised it like a potential new weapon and then turned it into a shitty skin

[civic salmon]

they advertised the dagger skin the same way jus you all forget about that part

[rough arch]

Exactly like the Minigun ad 😔

[maiden siren]

For me it's been perfectly fine tho, but tbf I'm currently still in gold lobbies
My only problem is the cooldown, I think the range shouldnt be changed tho
Only really annoying thing that I genuinely cant handle without help is grapple lights and sometimes dash too

The rest is fair game, if I can't kill them it's less of the winch is trash and more of skill issues on my end

[slow linden]

That was at least clearly a dagger,and it came out with the minigun bundle and was part of the minigun ad,the other skins in the mace bundle were not advertised at all

[civic salmon]

and lets be real here for a sec, when the shockwave teaser hit, everyone assumed it was gonna be agadget for heavy

lol

[slow linden]

Kinda would've fit better

[civic salmon]

you dont get to have all the things

[maiden siren]

HEAVY EMP WOULDVE GONE KINDA HARD

[slow linden]

I never claimed such,I play all classes so technically I get everything anyway

[civic salmon]

Heavy already gets free form flight every other patch because of a bug when they change how hard a door shuts against barricade or something

[maiden siren]

I feel like they should return some gadget that brings back the slow down effect that og stun gun has, just without the oppressive factor and more of a skill check with it
For example concussion grenade

I feel like slowing people down would benefit melee especially
Do NOT bring back the oppressive stun gun type slow tho

[civic salmon]

So im calling it now (THIS IS NOT MU SUGGESTION, its a prediction) s11 light gets recon sense

[slow linden]

Give heavy back goo ship and barricade plane and goo plane

[civic salmon]

technically...they did

[slow linden]

That would be incredibly ass to fight

[civic salmon]

it jus requires a medium to help

[slow linden]

They didn't,you cannot do it anymore

[civic salmon]

<.< did it the other day

[slow linden]

Also the fact that they fixed barricades and made them perfect by accident and then took them away is very annoying

[civic salmon]

THAT I will agree with 100%

I stoped using barricade for goo nade back in s3 because it was immpossible to use

[cedar iron]

you are on a high dosage of copium bro

[civic salmon]

Not copium, its jus a prediction

[maiden siren]

I feel like recon sense could be good to return if they rework it well enough
What would be your opinion if it came back like a 2 charge spec that when toggled, just gives a 360 degree scan of the area around the user, but only max 8 meters or less

[civic salmon]

the writing is on the wall for lights to get recon sense what with the thermal rework etc

[slow linden]

That is not copium,bro is huffing straight red goo

[maiden siren]

Maybe like 30 second cool down?

[cedar iron]

yikes, it's crazy addictive too!

it's like sniffing paint and eating goo level type shiii

[civic salmon]

Oh.... you're that skiubbidy generation

[cedar iron]

obviously I mean eating white goo

[civic salmon]

my bad. I thiought I was talking to someone whon wasnt droped on their head cause mom was on tiktok NPC farming

[cedar iron]

I'd rather not disclose my actual age because that would seriously make you reconsider your life path

[civic salmon]

MMMMMM GANGAN

[slow linden]

I am 21 dude

[civic salmon]

Anwyas, like I said, Im not hoping it happens it was jus a prediction. But...you're too busy with the light brain rot soooooo

[maiden siren]

Scratch that maybe just 1 charge, I feel like 2 charges lwk just completely removes the need for the other recon gadgets

[civic salmon]

I wasn't meanming you, you're cool

[slow linden]

Red goo is a funny meme

[civic salmon]

Recon wouldnt be so bad if it only detected deployables an wounded/ moving players withing a range. remember, theyd be giving up dash

and lights get two tapped by the wind blowing too hard

itd actually force them to play with their team

[slow linden]

This would be acceptable,however I ask that the same limitations be put on sonar grenades,the only detection tool that is unproblematic is motion sensors and tracking dart

[maiden siren]

I think not for light, I think heavy or medium should probably get the sense
Just because we got recon nade on light
Like the situation I imagine is like they hear someone approaching up a staircase or something, they can't tell where they are so they scan to get an idea of where they are, and by the time they see the scan it goes away

[slow linden]

I forgot about tracking dart,odd I love tracking dart

[civic salmon]

when recon is active the light has walls but the reverse is also true, peolple have walls on the light

lol

[maiden siren]

And that too I feel like light has enough recon stuff, it's about time either heavy or medium gets something
Id imagine recon sense as a more beginner friendly spec, as its easy to get info for free, even if it's just for a second

[civic salmon]

im jus thinkin theyre gonna find a way to combine it with thermal

and whatever it is its gonna have to be really good to even TEMPT them to drop dash for it

[maiden siren]

And yeah if it's a spec, it'll be way more balanced because you have to sacrifice the potential benefits of other specs

[slow linden]

Imo make it like dark sight from hunt showdown,you get 5 seconds of blurry walls you can use at your pace and you get a second back with each kill

[indigo nexus]

I don't think kill chaining mechanics are useful here.

A few seconds of walls though, sonar nades can also do that...

[maiden siren]

Maybe, what I've also seen before (basically what thermal was lwk) was the surroundings become very blurry and all the surrounding players are the only highlighted things for a limited time

[slow linden]

I agree,but I'm not the one who wants recon sense,this was a compromise that would intentionally make it underpowered

[maiden siren]

The only difference from what we had with thermal was the blurry surroundings

[civic salmon]

Now heres a fun idea for a heavy spec. Wild theorycraft time ok. Weapon Master spec. You trade your specialization slot for the ability to equip any other of your guns as a weapon you can swap to but it has some kinda penallty (maybe) to it

would it be worth it

[maiden siren]

I feel like heavy should just get new gadgets instead in the near future, specs are fun but we need something to influence their playstyles without changing the whole core of the heavy role in the team

[slow linden]

Most heavies would just bring a melee or close range weapon with a longer range weapon,as much as I'd love this I can't see it being very balanced and it will be missused

[civic salmon]

Fair, it was jus a fun idea kickin around

[indigo nexus]

I don't think it's a good idea, but if it were done it would also need to only function when your ammo was full, or you could just use it to negate reloads which totally screws gun balance

[slow linden]

I have recommended it in the past,I saw the error of my ways

[civic salmon]

Would be fun idea for an ltm

[maiden siren]

Fun idea, give heavy the octane stim and give him a secondary weapon instead of gadgets
Perfectly balanced, give light only 50 hp to make sure they don't ruin the meta 👍👍👍👍

[slow linden]

I think Making the ammo pools shared on a percentile would be a good way to alleviate this issue

[indigo nexus]

Not all guns have a limited mag

[civic salmon]

or you could only swap once every 15ish seconds

[slow linden]

Say you have a titan with a minigun,you shoot the titan once and swap to minigun,minigun is missing a fifth of its ammo

[indigo nexus]

fire a load of shak rounds and then charge in with spear, is what I'm thinking

[civic salmon]

Naw, go full lulz an do hammer an spear

BE THAT GUY

[indigo nexus]

probably the best way to waste it but I guess

[slow linden]

To be fair,this would be a spear buff,idk I feel the enemy would be easier to kill if wounded and running at me rather than fleeing to cover and reloading

[frosty jasper]

Does magnifex give glint on lh1?

[slow linden]

Yea

[civic salmon]

it does?

[maiden siren]

Just make it a temporary switch, you get the gun for like 10 seconds, with limited ammo (or swings/shots if it's infinite ammo)
If they use all the ammo B4 the 10 seconds end or cancel it (cancelling early most likely would give a penalty), your primary would come back early

[civic salmon]

one more reason to not use it then

[frosty jasper]

What are you sure??

[slow linden]

What about a forced swap every 10 seconds

[civic salmon]

im in game, we can hop in a private match to test if you want

[slow linden]

The combos would be disgusting imo

[maiden siren]

Elaborate I don't get it ✌️

[slow linden]

Was just a throwaway idea but it would swap and lock your weapon every 10 seconds

[slow linden]

I'd love to see it

[maiden siren]

Ohh probably fun idea for an ltm tho
Would be funny to see it, imagine you start with a sniper and you get swapped to a spear mid shot 😭

[slow linden]

This would be fun

Call it arsenal malfunction or something

[maiden siren]

It would be a lot of RNG tho which would make it bad
Unless if the whole lobby has the same weapons

[indigo nexus]

I'm worried about it giving a heavy the ability to just storm a team in a way they are not supposed to be able to and messing up the gun balance overall, as the options that normally rely on the fact that you're weak after releasing a strong volley are now disproportionately better than the others

[slow linden]

Nah full rng,full gamble,this is a gameshow

[maiden siren]

Yeah, i don't think this idea should ever see the light of day, but like it still would be cool to see even if temporarily

[indigo nexus]

I think it would be mostly frustrating as your ability to kill enemies who you were winning a fight against may change on a dime, and usually it will change for the worse since you're currently playing around the range of your current gun

[slow linden]

I would prefer this over having winchclaw

[slow linden]

I think it'd be a cool ltm,nothing more

[indigo nexus]

Yeah, all I'm saying is that it'd actually be a lame ltm :p

now an actually good LTM is where everyone's loadout is shockwave, frag nade, frag nade, frag nade, frag nade

[slow linden]

Depends if you like gambling or not,I for one love gambling 🎰

[slow linden]

This I agree

[uneven minnow]

Me toooo

[slow linden]

Just an infinite stack of each damage grenade and smokes and Shockwave would he a cool mode imo

Or a mode where everyone has goo gun and cerb or flamethrower and the map is just a few floating islands would be cool

[maiden siren]

Just do a spleef game mode, no weapons, just a broken shockwave with infinite charges, same objective as the other ltm (I forgot the name, the only with heavy jump pad), reach a certain cash goal through kilss

[dark sparrow]

wizard clash

[indigo nexus]

I think spleef with basically anything other than shockwave would be more fun, honestly

shockwave just moves you too easily, too much

[slow linden]

Like the flamethrower or cerb with goo gun idea

[maiden siren]

They can buff or nerf the knock back tbf
Modifiers like the low grav also fix stuff like that

And if not, gadgets

[indigo nexus]

what about a map with the only solid floor areas being the spawn and you had to TDM in the rest of the arena which had an empty abyss underneath the floor

It'd have to slowly regenerate with time somehow I think, and it sounds technically prohibitive to implement, so I don't think it could happen though.

[slow linden]

All that goo would probably crash the servers if they went for goo

[maiden siren]

Floor is lava, Monaco center area, set gadgets probably goo grenade, jump pad, and something else,
Shockwave as spec
Idk bout weapon

[slow linden]

I guess they could do something with wood durability

[slow linden]

Revolver

[maiden siren]

Still feel like this would go hard tho, if you don't like it, it would be an ltm so for the most part it wouldn't even affect you all that much

That's why most ltms aren't worth hating on, it's basically embarks way of experimenting without ruining core modes
We already saw what happens when you experiment with core modes, terminal attack 😭😭
Took out half the player base I feel like

[slow linden]

I feel like ghoul rush being a solo gamemode was a terrible idea

Solo bank it was good tho

[maiden siren]

Fair but again it was limited time, I can't really get mad at them
I just camped in the trees with goo 😭

[slow linden]

I want solo bank it vegas back,the map with the turrets at least,add it to cashout

[maiden siren]

Bank it is such a good mode, just overshadowed by the fact that they for the most part cooked with cashout and the other modes too

[slow linden]

Oh I hate bank it I only liked the solo bank it LTM

[maiden siren]

Back on this tho who decided that it was a good idea to make a chaotic gameshow a search and destroy twist 😭
The game is too fast and chaotic for search and destroy

[maiden siren]

Oh 😭
Speak for urself tho bank it was my goat ✌️

[slow linden]

Terminal attack was good they just should have let us heal and regen and it would have been perfect

[maiden siren]

That too that was the nail in the coffin 😭
If the Regen was there then it would've been bearable

Not good at all compared to other modes imo, but bearable

What we had was not bearable, made me leave the game when it replaced rank like season 3 I think

[slow linden]

Heavy was pretty much almost unplayable in that mode because the moble classes could just peck at you and run away any time you looked at them

[maiden siren]

Lights were the only good class I feel like, their health was already low to begin with

[slow linden]

I miss Terminal attack though,just wish they executed it better

[slow linden]

I liked camping with flamethrower and tickling them to death around cover

[maiden siren]

I personally don't think it should return tho, it was okey while it lasted but I don't think it deserves a rework on it
Good concept but I don't think it gets close to competing with some of the other modes

[slow linden]

I prefer it over tdm for a gameshow theme,feel like it just needs health regen and healing gadgets and spec and it'd be fine

[slow linden]

It came out during heal meta I think they just like panicked and disabled all healing for the mode for some dumbass reason

[maiden siren]

Yeah
The only thing is the fact that the devs made the finals to switch up the same old modes that you see in other games
Tdm was fine cuz no one hates on tdm, its just kill sim on purpose
But terminal attack just had that same boring loop as other games (not boring boring but yk what I mean)

[slow linden]

Idk,terminal attack or "search and destroy" is like my favorite classic shooter gamemode,I personally would be inclined to hate on tdm i honestly find it boring

They just fucked up so badly with the no healing bs

[grizzled meadow]

is the arn good ??

if noy whats the best smg for light

[slow linden]

I think head to head definitely needs to come back as a ranked mode tho

[maiden siren]

Arn is good for sustained range dmg, not good as 1v1 weapon
M11 is probably best

[slow linden]

Arn and m11 are both top weapons on light

[maiden siren]

Arn is still really good tho ✌️
XP is probably also good if you just want an all rounder

[slow linden]

Xp is my personal favorite automatic on light

[cyan brook]

Hi

[maiden siren]

Helloo

[maiden siren]

So to answer ur question depends on your preferred playstyle
XP for all rounder
M11 as DPS and 1v1 menace
Arn as a good sustained range dmg/high ammo per mag

[maiden siren]

M11 struggles on the range department tho, Arn doesn't have a crazy ttk so it may get out damaged by other weapons
XP is generic, does everything okay but isnt all that special

[uneven minnow]

Shhh

[maiden siren]

We gotta face the facts man
Can't be giving the guy incentive to just use M11 because its high ttk
We have enough M11 players 😭✌️

Side tangent tho, what rank do y'all believe non meta decks aren't acceptable anymore
Basically when do the lobbies become good to the point where non meta weapons like sledge are basically unplayable

[indigo nexus]

Since I can do okay with spear at low platinum I’d say it may be higher than that, but it depends on the person’s skillset

A diamond player with really good aim might find spear feels unusable in low platinum if that’s the main reason they can reach that rank

I’m not sure if that point even exists for everyone since a small handful of players are able to demonstrate pulling off ruby using “bad” picks

[uneven minnow]

More weapons should have scopes

[civic salmon]

point break is what terminal attack should have been

[slow linden]

Point break is just rush,it's derivative of its own classic gamemode

[civic salmon]

true, im jus sayin thats what terminal attack should have been like

who tf wants cs go in the finals

go play fragpunk for that...oh wait...wait..its still got 800 people... lol

20 multibucks says 799 of the 800 fragpunk players are console

[chilly granite]

Non meta is viable to ruby, but it has to be a cohesive kit; you still need a kit that has a solid game plan and win condition in high ranked lobbies

thats why the meta is meta: it's the easiest to execute game plan and win condition

And griefing youself by using loadouts that emphasise weaknesses is a really important thing to grow. Playing lh1+dash has been rough for me because dash is crap if your macro position is bad, which is my biggest weakness, and it's forcing me to grow a lot loll

but most weak players shouldn't run meta if their seeking a specific medal. Most people will be more powerful with a kit crafted ot emphasise their strengths and cover for their weaknesses, rather than just using meta

[brisk acorn]

Where is my throwing knife scopes

[slow linden]

Me,just with regen

[scarlet ivy]

They are supposed to add those after the change to hitscan

[brisk acorn]

Please don’t be late april fools

[wintry holly]

When are they adding thermal vision back

[slim pulsar]

Do the suppressors on weapons (m11, v9s, arn-220) actually do anything?

[stoic garden]

nope

[viscid carbon]

They look cool

[kindred gorge]

I don’t know, I like they are noticeably more quite than other weapons but in a game like finals it doesn’t make a big difference

[slow linden]

The v9s is actually pretty quiet,I'd say it does its job in an extended gunfight

[stoic garden]

throwing knives need a silencer

[slow linden]

They're already silent it's called Hitting your shots

Speaking of which I'm ass with them I need to practice more

[versed finch]

never 😭

[versed finch]

besides making the actual bullets sound a bit more suppresed, not really

I wonder what the next heavy weapon will be

[warm ginkgo]

how tf do you make a useful loadout with turret

[kindred gorge]

Mines so when they run around like a headless chicken they eat shit

Turret exists for the clean up damage, whether applied at the start or the finish of a kill

Actually I wonder if breach drill would compliment it well

You place the turret down and then break the wall between you and the opponent and it gets free damage on the flashed enemies

[faint cloud]

When's thermal vision coming back

[warm ginkgo]

Do you know if they work on the top of doors?

[hardy dust]

Swap off turret 🙏

[kindred gorge]

Mines do, never tried turret

[shell sonnet]

surely theyre gonna do something some day, right?

[hardy dust]

They're gonna nerf dash again and not touch winch ever

[warm ginkgo]

you can get 7th vault? (vault 1 on the right)

[icy egret]

Is frag grenade any good now? I watch a bit of The Finals YouTube content and I've seen it used a bit this season. It didn't get buffed did it?

[hardy dust]

It got a small range buff

Its still average

[wind pecan]

I got killed by a grenade yesterday

[icy egret]

I see. I'll have to consider that then as I do enjoy the frag grenade. Maybe over Heal Ball when I'm playing heavy and something else when I'm playing Medium.

Though it kind of fits the same role as RPG-7, maybe I wouldn't want both?

[wind pecan]

I think grenade is good for chip damage if you can't reach your opponent

[icy egret]

If it helps, I mostly play Minigun, Akimbos and BFR Titan.

[wind pecan]

That's how I got killed yesterday anyway

[wind pecan]

I play akimbos , barricade, rpg , heal ball

[icy egret]

I play something very similar with the Akimbos. Replace barricade with dome and use Charge n' Slam if I expect to go into any melee or annoying Lights, use Shield if otherwise.

Bare in mind I mostly play party modes. I gave up on Cash-out because I was always easily give the worse teammates. Always < Level 15, always barely knowing what they were doing.

[wind pecan]

I play charge and slam too with that

But I prefer barricades because it's more tangible defence for me

I play defensive in heavy and try to play tactical

Healing ball is for me to use it whenever I become critical I pop it out in a corner heal myself and put it back in

It has proven very useful

[warm ginkgo]

how do you use goo gun

[wind pecan]

I don't use it very often but it's good for barricading and traversing

And if you are quick enough then even trapping enemies

I always imagine the scenario of trapping enemies team in goo by bombarding them with it then the other guy lights it up with pyro grenade

[radiant thicket]

cl40 lixo, crossbow lixo, medium class lixo

[slow linden]

It gets even better my dear child

[wind pecan]

Not satisfying enough

[slow linden]

It was only a demonstration

I typically mine combo with goo locks but admittedly I am rusty

[slow linden]

I was the first to perfect it back in the day,I will perfect it again

[icy egret]

I really wish I got that skin but I wasn't going to spent $52 for a skin of a weapon I don't main currently.

[wintry holly]

Buff dagger

[slow linden]

52$? Ultimate bp is 30$...

[icy egret]

Oh Darling... Not everyone is an American, sorry to say.

[verbal rune]

fuh naw

[slow linden]

I know that,I'm saying what is your currency

[verbal rune]

actually eh

[icy egret]

The New Zealand Dollar.

[slow linden]

Jeez y'all really have it rough over there,not that here's perfect either but damn,that's a lot of moneys for a battle pass

[icy egret]

It's the exact same in terms of technical value.

Or, very similar.

[icy egret]

The United States is in a far worse position than New Zealand.

[slow linden]

I guess,but having to spend more units of currency on stuff still feels worse

[icy egret]

Technically, it's a bit cheaper.

I am still not willing to spend that kind of money when I already have access to most of the pass.

[slow linden]

Depends on the state,also if you live in a city yeah you're not having a good time,but a town or out in the sticks life is pretty good

[icy egret]

No, a town would definitely still be worse than New Zealand. We have issues aplenty, but it's not like the United States. You all need a revolution at this point to introduce some socialistic democracy and bring down your elite, but Entertainment & Food what have you. It's whatever though, that is not the point of this conversation.

[slow linden]

The United States is such a big and socially divided country it might as well be 8 smaller feuding countries,or 50 depending on how you look at it

The last good president was Kennedy imo

[icy egret]

The whole point of this conversation is that I'm not paying $52 for some skins. My dignity is worth more than that.

But I do think that flamethrower skin is pretty cool.

[slow linden]

I guess,I dunno I have nothing better to spend my money on and I like the finals,it's one of my main games,so I'm just comfortable paying up now and when

[icy egret]

I'm glad that it works for you. But it doesn't for me, I don't play much as is.

[slow linden]

I buy tools and random shit for the finals and that's literally it

[frosty jasper]

Best lh1 sight?

[limber rune]

cerberus

[frosty jasper]

Does magnifex give glint on lh1?

[eager wasp]

i think its only reflector

[wintry holly]

Did they buff the fcar this season?

[indigo nexus]

Yes

[last steeple]

They increased the rpm and it's meta now

[bright oracle]

I’ve decided to switch off of my usual medium build to try out light for the first time in a while.

Its been quite fun to play as a backline stealth harasser.
Disrupting the enemy teams defenses through risky flanks has been neat.

M11 feels a bit weird?
Many enemies at a sliver of HP left after magdumping.
I feel its the recoil and my control over it.

[last steeple]

You should strafe

[stoic garden]

@slow linden my friend became a real winch hater now

[tardy light]

shoot people for a miniature nullifier

use it to parkour

use it to block entrances

[stoic garden]

use it to set everything on fire

[wintry holly]

Idk what people's problem with winch is

[stoic garden]

you'll understand when you're older

[wintry holly]

Ok buddy

[tardy light]

People are generally upset that embark refuses to buff winch. its only received tons of nerfs. so its super underpicked nowadays

[stoic garden]

so true hexene

[tardy light]

IMO: the best fix to winch is this. if you miss it, just reset the cooldown. that way youre still punished but not so severely. it would make the spec viable again

[stoic garden]

is this bait...

[tardy light]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-twitching-tweaking-blink-blinking-gif-15542945703716446313

[stoic garden]

😭

i think winch needs to grab people through mesh and dome again tbh

[viscid carbon]

I think they should remove the delay too

[brisk acorn]

Winch should have double range and deal 75 damage

[icy egret]

I mean.... is winch really that bad anymore? I've barely been seeing it.

[keen raven]

hows the loadout mesh shield minigun pyro grenade C4 proxy sensor seem to yall?

[eager wasp]

i think its still meta-ish alongside mesh shield, and its still pretty common in casual lobbies as well

[icy egret]

I've been rarely seeing it

But I do mostly play party modes like Point Break, could mean something.

I see Mesh Shield way, way more.

If not, Charge n' Slam.

[eager wasp]

pointbreak you are gonna see just a lot of off meta bc you have a lot of teammates and people like to just fool around with whatever loadouts in there, besides that its pretty common id say

[icy egret]

I play pretty much every mode but Cash Out, gave up on that because I never get any not brand-new teammates and it got frustrating.

[stoic garden]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XMP8u6Qw5mo aside from being pulled into the enemy you also get a mega stun that allows for free hits, i don't think that ever feels nice to play against

winch also forced embark to nerf sledge, sa12 and probably the pump animation canceling, it's such a big enabler for close range weapons that they have to balance heavy around it

[last steeple]

animation cancel shouldnt exist in the first place but ye

[stoic garden]

the most crowd control this game should have would have probably had to stop at lockbolt, now we got shockwave that instantly stops steals too with little effort, it's getting kinda crazy

[last steeple]

and not nerfed sa12 woulddnt be good without winch

winch allows a lot of playstyles it just needs a nerf

[stoic garden]

contrary to popular belief, sa12 actually works with mesh too

[last steeple]

it does but in the current meta pre nerf sa without winch wouldnt be as great as nerfed sa with winch

[stoic garden]

I'd be ok with that kind of enabling if it didn't stun for so long

[last steeple]

nerf/kind of a rework

heavy still has a lot of great playstyles without winch tho but I understand ur pov

[stoic garden]

i really liked winch's ability to pull random shit to you from various ranges with a relatively short cooldown, cooldown and range which have now been nerfed because it's 300% better at pulling enemies and killing them

🥀

[warm ginkgo]

No it should have shorter cool down but not none at all

[warm ginkgo]

I don't understand the value of C&S when you could have winch instead

[stoic garden]

i actually see winch way more than mesh lol

[warm ginkgo]

If anything I think mesh needs a buff, it feels like it melts almost instantly half the time

[stoic garden]

WHAT

I'm a mesh main and i dont think it needs ANY buffs, i already thought going from 750 to 850 was a bit much

[warm ginkgo]

Maybe I'm just bad then
But I'm also a mesh main and if the enemy team spray it out it goes down in one or two seconds
Maybe a shorter recharge would be better

[stoic garden]

i mean yea, going up against a full team, you should expect mesh to melt pretty quick

i use that to bait them tho, my team usually helps cleaning them up from the side while i tank their shots

850 hp isn't nothing, it's more than a full akm mag

so you're wasting their ammo for sure

i find mesh especially strong in 1v1s, you can just jiggle that shit to block some damage and force them to reload

and you can win most of them if you bring a healing emitter

i find mesh to be the ultimate survivability tool, i usually die at least half as often as the rest of my lobbies lol

what do you play? my loadout is mesh lewis dome rpg emitter

[warm ginkgo]

Should I not be using it to engage then, as that's where it seems to just get broken and then I don't have it for the rest of the fight

[warm ginkgo]

Mesh M60/flamethrower goo grenade dome c4

[stoic garden]

i mean it depends, if you're taking fire from the whole enemy team I'd be careful, use it if you think you'll die otherwise at least

it's best used to be as bait for your team tho

so try to stay with your team or direct them to the enemies, pop a dome, shoot a bit yourself, then open that mesh up when you see yourself or your team taking damage

it's a bit like heal beam in the way you have to juggle protecting your team and actually dealing damage

especially against fast reloading weapons like v9s or m11, try to kill them instead of letting them destroy your mesh

worst case scenario you put up your mesh again

you're playing goo grenade tho, may i ask why?

if i had to choose I'd often pick barricade over goo for the simple reason that you can instantly place a barricade if you equip it while you have your mesh up

[warm ginkgo]

Tbf I've always used it in all my loadouts and just feel naked without it especially in solo queue when my teammates don't use movement tools well
So for that reason I've never bothered to learn to use barricades

[stoic garden]

that's fair, barricade can be annoying to place, and goo is just more versatile for movement

i often play with my friends and they almost always bring movement, otherwise i play medium (i love both builds anyway)

[warm ginkgo]

Yeah I play healing medium a lot for solo queue
Not really any other M loadouts bc the meta is basically what I'd pick anyway

[stoic garden]

when i played solo heavy i had to refine some of my movement to not get left behind and do the mesh shit well

sliding backwards with mesh buys me like an extra 15 seconds of life so often it's kinda hilarious

[stoic garden]

my aim got decent this season so I'm on demat fcar jump pad zip and defib, i ditched the goo cuz i feel invincible rn

[warm ginkgo]

I may as well get your opinion on the new loadout I made
Demat Model/FCAR reshaper jump pad goo

[stoic garden]

i love reshaper but idk if i wanna use it over zipline rn

definitely has a lot of value now that it can reshape through mesh and dome tho

[wind pecan]

I like barricades , they are like an actual tangible cover system for me , something I can conjure up for nowhere , a whole team shooting behind me barricade , guy with minigun or arn just came out of nowhere and are unloading on you barricade

[warm ginkgo]

Yeah I keep goo partly because my aim changes a lot day to day so I sometimes can't get consistent kills

[warm ginkgo]

I like them for the same reason too but they sometimes feel a bit small for me

[stoic garden]

yea i used goo primarily to cover myself in case I couldn't kill people, still useful for everything else tho, keep up your progress and you'll be a consistent goat someday

[warm ginkgo]

I never run double movement just bc I feel like it's not enough util during a fight, I'll just pick jump pad or zipline if my teammate already has pad

[wind pecan]

That's why you got 2

[stoic garden]

i like rotating around cashouts a lot with my friends, so i usually end up using both quite often, I'd say my movement is on the upper end but idk, i find it pretty fun

if I'm the medium it's often because nobody else is running movement anyway

[wind pecan]

It's a kind of weapon that will help you if you play regularly with it , you just come up with new stuff to do with it

[stoic garden]

one time i found some people who played like diamonds (i was in a gold lobby) and they set up some insane goo platforms far above a cashout that was winched out, extremely hard to attack, i want to do that too

[wind pecan]

Yes, you basically become Steve if Steve was less powerful and was from military

[stoic garden]

yea

blocking steals with goo is also no joke

it's pretty powerful

extra nutty if you got a flamethrower heavy to set everything on fire

[wind pecan]

Basically this energy

[slow linden]

Good

[warm ginkgo]

Yeah we had a lot of fun last night with me on mesh/flamethrower and my teammate on winch/shak with a decent medium
First few good games in a while

[muted condor]

Notice how there were no lights and you actually had fun

[compact tundra]

I had like 2 goofy fun games last night and then got hit with the 2 stacked diamond teams in quick cash, very fun

[arctic agate]

Prox sensor needs to be nerfed so badly oml the most common is M, M, H or M, M, L so they get so many prox sensors and it just dumbs down to having to break it or your dead(as a light) it's generally just annoying

Everybody just spams them

[warm ginkgo]

Funny that

[stoic garden]

me when the gadget is effective

[muted condor]

Mfs when they use a gadget for its intended purpose and as a light I refuse to use the counters against them

[compact tundra]

I mean I don't want them nerfed but proxy sensors are so fucking annoying when I'm on sword, but they're laughable when I'm on flame, it's just so annoying to get rid of them on sword especially if they put them on the roof or some shit

[slow linden]

Very rarely do I ever enjoy the company of a light,and it's never a light main

Every light main and like half of the medium main I've hung out with did nothing but whine

[wind pecan]

I played with a light and a medium recently and I was also a medium we were cooperating like really well

[slow linden]

I'm sure they exist,but the loudest voices represent the group

[neon barn]

what if there was a skin for the sr that turns it into the AWP?

[slow linden]

Ehh,I prefer goofy skins,if you want another weapon to be added just say so

[knotty steeple]

I came across two lights using pistol and spawn camping, they were matching aliens and emoting on everyone they killed

They must of had some built of anger so they spawn camped to get easy kills and emote to let off some steam lmao

Sometimes that's the only way some players know how to manage anger; attempt to make others angry

[whole torrent]

Sounds like a skill issue

[muted condor]

If it’s two goobers in alien costumes they definitely aren’t mad they are just little goobers being shit heads and getting a laugh out

[slow linden]

People who wear alien costumes are either the nicest people or the evilest shitheads there is no in-between

[knotty steeple]

😐

[muted condor]

That’s why I wear the sweat skins

One of my new favorite tops

[slow linden]

The edgelord sweat skins usually aren't even used by people who are that sweaty I mean look at my main fit

[muted condor]

I’m not that good ether lol
I just like to look cool while I lose

[muted condor]

Cool-aid man lost some weight

[slow linden]

Was going for hellboy from wish

[muted condor]

That also works
Both would smash through a wall

[slow linden]

Fair

[slow plank]

i like this skin a lot

or outfit i should say

[slow linden]

Potato tomato

[slow plank]

tru

[compact tundra]

Damn bro that's a solid hellboy. Looks like a Mad Max style hell boy almost

What top is that?

[slow linden]

The ork one from last Halloween

I don't typically use those boots but I've been trying them out

[sacred cypress]

They should give the red holographic shak 50 from the alfa acta emote as a skin

[lyric vigil]

Was thermal vision actually bugged or broken for a while? Whats the reason for it being disabled for what feels like an entire year at this point

[muted condor]

Embark reason: “It was to problematic and caused unforeseen problems in gameplay.”
Real reason: Embark is lazy af and doesn’t know how to actually fix things or make meaningful changes

[ivory mango]

If you hate them so much why do you play their game

All ive ever seen you talk about is complaining about embarks mistakes

[last steeple]

Thermal vision is actually in a weird spot dude, they are not lazy since they are constantly updating their game, saying they are lazy is just ridiculous 😭 but they genuinely don't know how to change it ig and it's okay, at least they didn't delete it so it will come back some day

[muted condor]

Just because I hate raw tomatoes and uncooked pasta doesn’t mean I hate spaghetti

[last steeple]

"Embark is lazy" as if they're not doing two crazy games with frequent updates 🥀

[ivory mango]

The fuck are you on about

[muted condor]

Guess that’s why the melee rework and MGL fix are still unheard of

[last steeple]

Melee rework is next season so it's okay

[muted condor]

Sure

[last steeple]

And we are one tiny step closer to mgl rework

[muted condor]

Season 17 guys done worry they will definitely make a meaningful change then

[ivory mango]

Theyve been making good changes for a while now, ahem pb ahem,

[muted condor]

Ignore spear being functionally broken for over half the games life time they will definitely get it it before the 5th anniversary

[last steeple]

No chance they will betray their promise of a melee rework, and melee is already playable in a lot of lobbies

[muted condor]

Lmao get a load of this guy

[last steeple]

K well we'll see in s11 if I'm right or nah

[ivory mango]

Tell me one game where everything is balanced and equally viable

[last steeple]

But if they announce melee rework they have something ready that just needs tuning

[muted condor]

Not a relevant question
I never said anything about everything being viable and balanced

[last steeple]

You are spitting on embark caus the balance changes don't please you 😭

[ivory mango]

Then why do you care so much about balancing, from the melees to mgl and spear to defib

[muted condor]

I’m shitting on them because they are shit changes all the time

[ivory mango]

Name one shit change

[muted condor]

Because they are fundamentally dog shit and broken

[muted condor]

Dome shield

[last steeple]

I mean, every change has a reason, and if it's a mistake they recognise it and they do everything to change it sooner or later

[last steeple]

Wdym dome shield

What is wrong with it

[muted condor]

It only takes 5-7 seasons

[last steeple]

Maybe caus there's a lot of things to do to create a great game ?

[muted condor]

They have tried to bring down its pick rate but have zero understanding why it has such a high pick rate so their changers are completely irrelevant

[last steeple]

They actually managed to make it balanced so even though it's a huge part of heavy kit, it's not even a bad thing

[muted condor]

It’s because they suck. You don’t leave the spear genuinely broken and functional bugged for over half a games life time because you actually care

[last steeple]

Spear remains a fun weapon, but you could understand that spear needs to have something that makes it different from sledge without making it op, and better late than nothing don't you think? A lot of games don't care that much about balancing

[woven sundial]

hey im new just came from reddit whats yalls thoghts on the pike

[muted condor]

This guy doesn’t even know what I’m talking about lol

[last steeple]

Ok it took 8 seasons and that's crazy but 99% chance it will get changed in s11

[last steeple]

Well tell me what you think they should do

[muted condor]

It’s in the gutted and left to rot for ever tier of weapon because now it’s a bad version of the crossbow

[woven sundial]

what are you guys hateing on

[last steeple]

It's a great weapon that gas better alternatives like crossbow repeater or revolver

[uncut condor]

I think… I miss pre-rework stungun.

[muted condor]

Oh yippie it only took almost two year to make one fix

[woven sundial]

uh prerework stun gun was a mecace

[muted condor]

Embark

[last steeple]

"one fix" as if they won't change whole melee system

[woven sundial]

im glad it left

[last steeple]

Nah dude this is a crazy take

[muted condor]

The spin is limited on how many objects it can interact with so it you spin near goo or multiple items it causes you to deal no damage

[last steeple]

Nullifier serves the original purpose of stun gun without making it unfair to new players and useless in high lobbies

[muted condor]

Been that way since it got released and has not been address

[last steeple]

That's actually a great point

But even if it's unfair it's not worth hating on embark and their employees

[muted condor]

Eh employees just work at places and have nothing to do with the actual product

Embark is a AI supporting company that is tied to China and prioritizes selling cosmetics over game play and ignores actual problems while filling patch notes with pointless changes that no one asked for and never fulfilling promises

[last steeple]

Nothing is all black or all white, you can't say that the patch notes are pointless, it is absolutely not true, the in app purchases aren't actually invasive, there is in fact a lot of f2p rewards (I've never spent any money in the game and I don't feel the need to even though if I had money to spend I could support the devs), the game is frequently updated, there's also events in the game and the big seasonal updates do bring interesting content so telling that embark cares only about selling cosmetics is dumb, remember too that the game is free but it has quality so ye

Unique gameplay and characters customisation (cosmetics but also gameplay wise), w map design, frequent balance changed THAT ARE NOT POINTLESS, several gamemodes that are fun, it wouldn't even shock me if you had to pay to play, even though I'm glad it's free

I'm not saying the game is perfect, it has flaws and I focused on great aspects of it, but there's a lot of great aspects

[thorny coral]

Hank from madness combat?

[slow linden]

Never played those sadly

[thorny coral]

Some madness games are free on newgrounds

[slow linden]

I'd play but my computer lags watching YouTube

[slow linden]

Was moreso basing the contestant on hellboy

Made that outfit when I started using the titan

[compact tundra]

I'm so mad bro I wanna make thragg and the perfect top is right there, it's the white Oden top from last seasons battle pass, but it has the hood and I cant cover up thraggs waves so it just ends up pissing me off

[viscid carbon]

Cleanest lineup in the universe covered by a hood, tragic

[viscid carbon]

Pic btw?

[compact tundra]

I actually just looked to see if I had a pic of my current thragg skin and I don't. Let me see if I can get one

[muted condor]

The lengths people go to defend AI supporting multi million dollar corporations is wild

[last steeple]

Nah I'm defending the game studio you are spitting on, btw embark is Swedish and is using ai only for their voices (they paid the original actors) and they are attached to nexon wich is Korean so wdym they are tied to china and they support ai ??

[muted condor]

Only admit to using it for voices as if that’s not still AI

[last steeple]

I do not support the use of generative ai to create """art"""

[tardy light]

does embark using AI and being rich make the balance bad?

No. the balance is bad because embark devs are bad at balancing.

[muted condor]

Just pay a fucking voice actor

[last steeple]

They do

[muted condor]

I agree. I was just giving more reasons I dislike embark

[last steeple]

I don't know the terms of the contract or anything but the voice actor got paid

[stoic garden]

snale is top 5 ragebaiters of this server, ignore him ngl

[last steeple]

Using ai to do voices exists for a long time, like narrator in games or things like that

[brisk acorn]

Your bio matches your personality to a tee

[last steeple]

Embark is related to china and wants to take over the world with ai guys 🗣️ 🔥

[thorny coral]

AI voice overs are nothing new. Remember text to speech?

Those club penguin or quackity videos with the British text2speech guy

[muted condor]

:3

[stoic garden]

italian fella going gravedigging with this one

[thorny coral]

What if defib were a specialization?

[last steeple]

Thanks dude 😭

[thorny coral]

You're practically high for not using it. It's so strong in the mediums gadget pool

[muted condor]

You know I actually had that idea before

[last steeple]

Ig they hate the fact that it is that strong

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-10955612

[thorny coral]

Defib is ok but 2 medium defibs back to back is kind of annoying

[muted condor]

I would give my defib rant but my phone battery is low

[stoic garden]

i dont think you could ever have defib as a spec without completely changing it, current cooldown makes it a completely dead spec compared to the others with way better uptime, and if you lowered cooldown or some shit people would complain even more about fighting defib and getting defibbed in bad spots, just nerf defib a lil more or make other gadgets more worth it, simple as that

[muted condor]

I’ll be back later with it again

[stoic garden]

dw i got you bro

DEFIB IS ||ok for the game, just balance other shit gadgets better lmao ||

[orchid crag]

2 winches and 25s cooldown :trl

[thorny coral]

HOWEVER. People losing their jobs to computer programming is a very scary concept. Rich douchbags would do anything for a smidge more cash even if it's selling their employees to a foreign blood god. AI vids are even making RAM more expensive which freaking blows

[stoic garden]

i can say the same for double dome

[thorny coral]

I didn't really have anything to say towards AI because most people who preach about it are extremely annoying

[stoic garden]

wanna finals later? gabe will be with us

[orchid crag]

gabert

why yall play so late i had whole day free

[stoic garden]

i was busy ALL DAY

[last steeple]

Of course but Embark do not make people loose their job so this is why I defended em BUT I DO NOT SUPPORT THE USE OF GENERATIVE AI IN MANY CASES that implies stealing artists jobs

Embark is actually pretty clean ai side and it would be dumb to say that there's big game studios that do not use generative AI at all sadly, but this is not the subject of ts channel so Imma shut up now

[muted condor]

This channel is what ever tf it wants to be

[tardy light]

yeah

[brisk acorn]

I thought it was for the longest time

[vocal flume]

This fcar is good but its a hit or miss, i feel like some games it absolutely melts and other games its not performing as good as it should.

[compact tundra]

Bro this channel 90% of the time is used for ragebait and goo'ning to heavy, the title is misleading

[brisk acorn]

They are never gonna change it to heavy g00ning community tho

[last steeple]

Idk man what do you think makes you perform less ? Caus I think it's really consistent tbf

[stoic garden]

i guess you might have inconsistent aim

[last steeple]

Now that there's a lot of ways to counter heavy I hope everyone will start g00ning to light instead

[brisk acorn]

Nah it’s not good enough yet

[vocal flume]

I just feel like it doesnt deal as much as it does in other matches, come games you can melt mediums with body shots and then another game i feel like it takes a bit longer.

[stoic garden]

i do too tbh, but if you think it's a hit or miss maybe you're getting countered by weapons that outrange you severely or have better close range game than fcar

[brisk acorn]

Light will be g00ned to if we ever get grapple buffs

[brisk acorn]

Hit them headshots

[tardy light]

CD based on time spent grappling? i would cry. thatd be so cool

[last steeple]

I think it's because the recoil is hard to get used to but once you got it everything will be fine, they might nerf it Tuesday though caus of how good it is

[stoic garden]

idk man you might be tweaking, been maining fcar since s9 and i havent felt such a thing

[last steeple]

Fcar is easy to use and hard to master that's all

[stoic garden]

the recoil is kinda annoying in the middle i guess

[brisk acorn]

Yeah that’s what I’m hoping for

[vocal flume]

From what my gun does to what i see in other peoples videos i feel like its off a bit, i dunno it might be just me but i notice sometimes weapons arent consistent from match to match

[stoic garden]

maybe your internet is tweaking?

[regal obsidian]

high ttk games like this really punish you for inconsistent aim

i bet you're just missing some bullets mid spray it's easy to not notice if you aren't paying attention

[last steeple]

Maybe it's internet, maybe it's inconsistent aim, maybe it's both, but if you look at ruby gameplay, it's normal that you can't headshot beam at long range like they do

[vocal flume]

I can aim its just i notice it and it for myself feels weird but some games the fcar dominates like crazy, other times i need to switch to a p90 because it performs better for me

[last steeple]

Try strafing when you shoot

[regal obsidian]

if enemies are moving in the direction of recoil it feels like aim assist but if they move opposite it can be rough

[last steeple]

And without a great positioning btw the mag do feel a little tiny when you need to reload in front of an angry dude who wants to kill you 😔

[vocal flume]

Oh i know im not like laser focused no recoil aimer but like close to med range its not an issue for me aimwise its just either the shots are a bit delayed or something because i think i might have a clip of me shooting at someone then i turn away and then then they died. Not sure ill have to recheck it but it felt maybe the server was bad

[stoic garden]

why does fcar have the exact same ttks as p90 with more range lmao

i think it's getting nerfed guys

[last steeple]

Idk what makes you say that 🥀

[slow linden]

That is a pickle indeed,they should give us hood up and down variations of every hooded garment fr

[vocal flume]

Prob the fire rate from p90 offsets the lower damage

[regal obsidian]

p90 is supposed to have faster ttk at close range

[tardy light]

if thats true with the recent fire rate buff, mag size is the benefit. fcar punishes you if you miss much more

[regal obsidian]

fcar is just a bit overtuned rn

[last steeple]

Yeah you can usually face some desync, but yeah try strafing caus I learned it can negate recoil

[stoic garden]

very unfortunate

[stoic garden]

i dont think it ever needed that 1 dmg buff ngl, not like it changes much besides long range engagements

akm is slightly cucked, good thing the ammo buff is actually not bad

[orchid crag]

whats that site cuh

[stoic garden]

https://apesquad.org/gundata

[last steeple]

At least it's fun to use, akm Iron sight is sooo satisfying I could dream of it

[stoic garden]

to be fair i dont really see why people would always pick fcar over akm besides the recoil, i think they're very equal sidegrades rn

[hazy hemlock]

I just want light to not be ignored because people hate it due to skill issues bruh. I genuinly hate this seasons feel and the balance philosophy they seem to have gone with which is if they bitch about it enough itll see nerfs

[last steeple]

Fcar has just more punch so I get why

[stoic garden]

lowkey i think it's the recoil

it sways a lot more to the sides compared to fcar, where you can just hold down left and reactively rein in the jumpy part

[last steeple]

Light got nerfed and didn't get anything new except some gadget buffs BUT it is still good in high lobbies and it won't stay like this forever so it's okay I'm happy with it, as long as it doesn't get disadvantaged

[stoic garden]

embark gave cloak the lamest most meaningless buff ever ngl

[last steeple]

Yeah true, maybe I'm masochistic but I lowk like it

[stoic garden]

i kinda gave up on light ngl, i only play medium and heavy now

they are just much more fun and less punishing

[last steeple]

Idk I still enjoy more light, I decided to try v9s caus it's meta, but it's also so fun, since it's only click tracking and not constant tracking I find it easier to moove while shooting, and idk it feels so goooodddd

[hazy hemlock]

I am not happy with it because its about the damn precedent atp. Light keeps getting nsrfs to shit that weren't broken and now they outright told us it was cuz of skill issues not cuz op. Thats such a dogshit way to balance that it unironically immediately makes me not want to play any game that admits it.

[stoic garden]

light aint even fun to fight anymore, it's either v9s spammers getting melted because they cant dash and aim at the same time or arn/lh1 gods fucking you up from the other side of the map

[last steeple]

Nah dude I swear I'm not one of those spammer that cannot aim

[stoic garden]

v9s is such a stupid weapon i wish it never got mainstream omg

[last steeple]

I do have a great positioning and a great aim+movement I think

[hazy hemlock]

I've been a v9s main since s2 and been on dash since OB they are unironically just balancing for fuckin skill issues and its not fun

[stoic garden]

"we nerfed dash cuz people have skill issue"
-dev notes

[last steeple]

Yeah I mained v9s in season 1 and slowly forgot it, it feels great to use it again but it's a bit too overpowered

[hazy hemlock]

I wish I was medium main from jump so I could get everything I asked for

[stoic garden]

been waiting for cloak to be playable again and i'm starting to grow an actual beard

[hazy hemlock]

These are the same image😂

[last steeple]

Since it's still really good but just a bit more punitive, it's okay ig, the real problem is that the other 2 specs are really bad compared to it

[hazy hemlock]

It wont be. They know how toxic it would become with the current playerbase.

[stoic garden]

🥱 rework it then, pull another demat, come on embark, design something interesting and fun

i'm ok if it doesnt even cloak your ass anymore i just want anything that isnt dash

[hazy hemlock]

It NEEDS to be reverted to its S2 5 sec CD tbh and grapple needs buffs and cleak needs to.be replaced. There is no way to balance it it will always be broken or OP

[last steeple]

Nah dude If you complain THAT MUCH about dashes nerf, skill issue

Have a better positioning and don't waste em

[stoic garden]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XMP8u6Qw5mo other specs:

[last steeple]

And have great tm8 but I know it's hard to find some

[hazy hemlock]

Read above. My issue isnt the nerf my issue is the precedent. why are we ADMITING that it's a skill issue nerf

[last steeple]

I was talking about light specs

[hazy hemlock]

"Other players frustrations" not for it being op. Fuck them for.that man

[stoic garden]

yea but i'd say they should be as powerful as the ones from other classes one way or another

[hazy hemlock]

LMFAOOOO

[last steeple]

Oh okay okay, well if this only affects new players it should affect experienced players, wether they play or face dashes yk

[hazy hemlock]

Dash has ALWAYS at best been a b tier spec. Its just its the best light has

[stoic garden]

at least let light keep the mobility, you know

[last steeple]

If dashes is b tier, light with an s tier spec would just be overly broken???

[stoic garden]

live winch reaction:

[hazy hemlock]

Balance changes should not be made around people being dogshit. Which they seem comfortable with

[last steeple]

Dude I know you want this removed 🤣

[stoic garden]

live winch reaction:

[hazy hemlock]

Goo gun being overshadowed by winch because winch is stupid easy

[stoic garden]

goo gun is stupid as well but at least it can do other things than just stunlocking

winch is why sledge got killed guys

[hazy hemlock]

I mean there's ONLY 3 CLASSES grass is green statement. Any class is broken with a strong spec. Thing is light is the high skill floor movement class. Why do we keep nerfing the moment when medium has more movement unironically lmao. Also light at base moves only 5% faster than medium.

[last steeple]

They just need a solid player base, and if new players quit after "xXsasuke45Xx" kills em after spamming 4 dashes in a row, I understand that it can bother embark

[last steeple]

But winch is S tier and heavy isn't broken

[stoic garden]

the finals is kind of a hard game actually, it makes sense it will be harder to get into

[stoic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[hazy hemlock]

They have maintained a playerbase. It has literally been proven dumbing your game down just gets rid of your already existing base. There are alot of lights who are quitting after multiple seasons of the class slowly being neutered

[last steeple]

Nah dude heavy is as good as medium, and light is slightly under em

[last steeple]

True, well we'll see what they do for light but I HOPE it's not dumb things

[hazy hemlock]

OK and neither is light lmao. THERE ARE ONLY 3 CLASSES. The classes are made broken by what's availible. The way your thinking light is broken for existing is the entire issue with the balance atm lmao

[stoic garden]

i dont think it's just the specs, heavy and medium have goated ass gadgets,bigger hp and great team oriented specializations, light has only selfish specs so embark tried to supercharge their team utility with fuckass gadgets like h+ infuser

[hazy hemlock]

Medium has been broken for 8/10 of the games seasons and for 2 of those heavy was the best lmao

[last steeple]

If you read my message above yours, I say that light is the worst class, but not that far from the other ones

[hazy hemlock]

Light was literally a throw pick for 6 seasons

It wasn't really playable til season 7 tbh and thats around the time invis got gutted

[stoic garden]

we talking about the present lil bro (it's still a throw pick unless ur a god with a good team)

[slow linden]

Smoking a chicken with pecan wood tonight

[last steeple]

Light isn't currently a throw pick bro

It has sm great weapons like gateway and infuser, and it's high ttk weapons

[orchid crag]

give light 57 glitch grenades

[hazy hemlock]

True but they dont wanna have this convo about how medium has taken almost everything light does but is also easier to play.

[last steeple]

Okay not sm but it has some anyways

[stoic garden]

iirc shak50 kills almost as fast as m11

the ttks dont really matter when the hp difference is so high

[slow linden]

Light isn't a throw pick but the worst random teammates are always playing light,or they're always a turret medium with an ar this is just a fact

[hazy hemlock]

The only meta relevant light build atm is quite literally support light also for you know the ttks in game?

[last steeple]

It should be impossible to play winch and shak at the same time caus of the dumb combo these two have, but shak has it's downsides too so the comparison doesn't needs to be made

[hazy hemlock]

Its always the people who have 0.intrest in improving on light😭 then they swap to medium and hate on light fr

[stoic garden]

i did remember right, it even has more range lmao

[slow linden]

If you ain't running H+ I ain't wanna see you on light fr

[hazy hemlock]

Literally no reason to run light unless you got a support build. Medium has more movement than light ever had which is the crazy part to me rn

[last steeple]

Those are just numbers, light can 1v1 those classes, but doesn't even have too since you're right, the meta loadout is support light

[stoic garden]

reload time ig would be the only real downside tbh, you have a billion health too

[last steeple]

Between a heavy that barely mooves and a light that has a lot of ways to dodge flank or take the high ground, straight up comparing ttks isn't that great of an idea

[slow linden]

Idk I just run grapple db with dart,vanish and H+

[last steeple]

Dueling a heavy without some kind of advantage is just suicidal

[slow linden]

I'm a heavy main so I just play light better than the average dash crutch light

[hazy hemlock]

Medium has the same dualing capabilities atm lmfao. With more movement cuz a 5% speed difference is not gonna be the changer in a high elo lobby. Tbh you can run Support medium, movement medium and heavy and have a stronger team than LMH atm. Especially cuz on support medium you got defib AND healbeam

The movement medium gets the strengths of a standard non support light build without the weaknesses as well

Throw on chimera, famas, or fcar

[stoic garden]

you're right, the finals is too dynamic to always take ttks as true facts, but you also have to realize that these values will matter because dash has only 3 charges and an increasingly high cooldown, you are not competing with people with actual aim

[last steeple]

Light can actually recover faster without the help of any tm8 so they can also shoot, recover shoot again (forgot the word for that)

[last steeple]

They do matter ofc but they are not the only variable

[hazy hemlock]

Lights health regen is 7 seconds, medium and heavy is 10 seconds.

[stoic garden]

medium is 9, YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS FALLEN APART

[last steeple]

It begins at 7,9 and 10 but it doesn't take the same time to get full life

And 2-3 secs are enough anyways I think

[hazy hemlock]

Those 3 seconds on medium mean nothing because I made the light run and let me do what I want or I killed him. High elo lobbies dash is not a problem because peoole know how to fuckinn aim

[stoic garden]

yea cuz u have less max life lmao

[stoic garden]

ik bro im just baiting

[last steeple]

Light is still worse than other classes BUT it has a lot of ways to be util and it is not a throw pick, anyways I'm gonna sleep now bye bye

[hazy hemlock]

Dash just keeps getting nerfs so cuz its still the most played i see more nerfs inthe future instead of buffing issues with others

[hazy hemlock]

I tagged the wrong post lmfao ik you are

[slow linden]

I've seen one good grapple sniper player and all the dogshit lights are usually on grapple sniper 😭

[stoic garden]

lowkey next season they reimplement thermal vision on medium with all bugs fixed, insane range and higher uptime, bet

[hazy hemlock]

It does not have alot of util if the only way to build it to fit meta is support. Thats quite restrictive medium cna ve a fragger, a scout, movement or support

[hazy hemlock]

Would not be shocked that is their fav

[stoic garden]

let bro sleep 😭

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-entrance-omni-man-explode-gif-21497546

[last steeple]

Js wnated to say that dashes do matter against auto weapons but indeed people who can aim with repeater or r357 destroy the light dashes or no dashes

[muted condor]

What are we hating on my phone is recharged

[stoic garden]

hating on embark balance rn

[last steeple]

Yes pls

[hazy hemlock]

Bro is spitting bad info i can't 😭 "alot of ways for util" and all that util medium does the same but better at the moment like?????

[muted condor]

Oh hell yeah my favorite

[last steeple]

I never said medium wasn't better, and there's still things light can do but medium can't but anyways I'm too tired

[compact tundra]

Uhm but no it doesn't. Light has utility medium doesn't and has better dps then medium. They are both support focused but do the jobs in fundamentally different ways

[hazy hemlock]

Im still cooking dash lights and high elo is cooking dash lights regardless of auto or not. Thats just a skill issue for others who cant shoot it. Im in controller with no AA on there's no excuse for others who cant track it

[last steeple]

Tyty please defend light while I sleep

[stoic garden]

I've recently been learning how to track dashes, I'm still kinda dogshit but it's definitely possible with automatics

[compact tundra]

Sleep young one, the green is here to white night for you, you may rest now

[hazy hemlock]

They are NOT both support focused it just a team game but I no longer have the energy to sit here and educate peoole on why they are wrong. Im dropping ttk comparison and moving on jesus

[warm ginkgo]

what are you supposed to do with ks23

[brisk acorn]

Kill

[warm ginkgo]

in terms of loadout tho

[muted condor]

Ah fuck a sheet head

[slow linden]

Medium doesn't have gateway or vanish,those are two utilities I'd rather have at times than a medium

[last steeple]

Ok now imagine a light facing medium and a medium facing another medium PLEASEEE, or both against a heavy, and once again it's just a number, tou can play with your team, with their Shield and their hps, with flank or high ground so ttk is not a valid argument alone

[hazy hemlock]

Those two are the only util light offers atm that medium doesnt

[hazy hemlock]

Medium does the same atm lmfao

[muted condor]

People forget infuser is still one of the best gadgets around

[stoic garden]

break walls and feel like you aren't just playing a worse bfr, most specs work, I'd recommend goo gun for extra environment manipulation since you're already there tho, for gadgets you can run anything you've already been running, although heal ball removes one bullet from all builds if you want to optimize like that, apparently picking up items resets the pump action, so you effectively lose no rpm if you alternate throwing shit and shooting

[slow linden]

The black hole bomb too,sonar is just free Intel too

[hazy hemlock]

This was already brought up im not rehashing this

[last steeple]

Ty dude, first thing true that comes out of your mouth 🥹

[muted condor]

I didn’t see those messages so they never happened

[warm ginkgo]

what do you mean by heal ball removes one bullet

[slow linden]

Nullifier is a good way to turn a 3v3 into a 3v2 followed by a 3v1

Other than that light is meh

[hazy hemlock]

Sonar isnt meta im talking meta and i used to run the grav vortex until embark forced me to put on h+

[stoic garden]

ks deals 100 dmg, all builds have some multiple of 100 + 50, emitter deals 50 damage on hit, so you need one less ks bullet to kill people, making you need to reload less often

[hazy hemlock]

I brought up h+ earlier tf

[muted condor]

Light is probably the weakest class right now but it’s definitely not bad there are plenty of ways to play good with it

[warm ginkgo]

oh i see

[compact tundra]

Educate is crazy from someone who thinks high elo lights just sits in the open and hopes an enemy can't hit a moving target. Have you ever thought of dash in ways other than dodging shots. It's a good utility with a good amount of Versatility that does more than just diff players with bad aim. Also almost any support until medium has light has an alternative to do that job but in a different way. With the only exception being defib but light is better at running bodies while medium is better at getting them up and helping in the team fight while they heal up and get their abilities back. They do similar jobs in very different ways and both are certainly usable in high elo

[slow linden]

Many off meta options counter meta(the problem is light doesn't have any off meta options that do that lmao)

[last steeple]

Light do have weapons medium doesn't have, but medium's weapons are better anyways, doesn't make the light a throw pick, and ik you already brought up infuser but wanted to bait em but they didn't react anyways

[muted condor]

Yeah light has weapons like the mp5 and sword that way out perform most other weapons

[stoic garden]

THE KING HAS SPOKEN, XP54 IS META

[last steeple]

When I say weapon, It means what both can do 😔

[hazy hemlock]

You came in late to a convo clearly dont know what it was about then made a thesis. The point that was made was there's less and less reason to play light as medium has increasingly been being given the same/similar tools as light. For example the main way dash is used in high elo you just use Shockwave for but it also has more versatility. Light is not better at running bodies since Shockwave was added which not makes it so movement medium has more movement than light ever had. Im not having this convo with you because im genuinly over this server just wanting to call a class broken without actually thinking about what makes something op

[hazy hemlock]

Yeah you kind hit the nail on the head here lol

[last steeple]

You actually said light is a throw pick, it's not

[slow linden]

Sword is poo

[hazy hemlock]

That... kinda would make it a throw pick. If medium is given a similar job but overall is better at it and easier to use as well as better versions of the same weapons. Like light advantages over medium are VERY limited. Id say that makes it a throw pick

[last steeple]

• light can heal AND run bodies, medium can so they have different uses bro

[last steeple]

Understandable, I js don't share your pov, good night once and for all 💀😭

[hazy hemlock]

Which again i brought up saying thats its ONLY advantage. Its ONLY a support class rn.

[last steeple]

Yeah but it makes it viable so it's js not a throw pick imo

[warm ginkgo]

jdidnt expect this to work

[hazy hemlock]

That means there is ONE situation in which its not a throw pick otherwise it is just a throw if your not running it

[slow linden]

If we're at all being honest though,medium is overtuned,light is only a throw pick because light is balanced now and doesn't have broken dash to crutch on as much anymore

[last steeple]

SO IT IS NOT AT LEAST IF YOU PLAY METAAAA

[hazy hemlock]

I think we agreeing but dont agree with terminology lmfaooooooo

[slow linden]

Big semantics argument fr

[hazy hemlock]

I JUST REALISED WE SAYIN SAME SHIT BUT NOT AGREEING ON TERMS

[last steeple]

🤣

[hazy hemlock]

LMFAOOOOO

[hazy hemlock]

BEING SO FR SCROLL UP WE SAID THE SAME THING BUT SAY IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS😭

[last steeple]

Lemme die already, Imma study maths tomorrow and I'm js tired now😔

[slow linden]

Genuinely though the automatics (except akm)and crossbow on medium are a bit overtuned

[hazy hemlock]

GO TO BED LMFAOOOO WE AGREE ON THE ISSUE JUST NOT HOW WE PHRASE IT

[last steeple]

YEAH TRUE IG I DIDN'T LIKE HOW YOU SAID THINGS AND HOW YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR ARGUMENTS

[hazy hemlock]

I appreciate that you arent the type to hurling insults when faced with a different opinion. LOL even tho we technically agree😂

[hazy hemlock]

Deadass

[hazy hemlock]

Light dash being a critchbis insane as you pick the class for movement. It has the same uses and wansnt changed for being broken but it was a skill issue patch"other players frustration". Id say thats just shit balance philosophy. Embarks words not mine

[slow linden]

I couldn't tell you what else is overtuned on medium,people like to point the finger at the new spec but I don't think it's that either,something is up with medium as a whole,medium is better than light and only 4 weapons on medium are actually any good

[hazy hemlock]

Do you want the actual answer?

Like no bullshit cuz I just love the game and hate the balance

[slow linden]

Imo I get plenty of movement without dash,I personally think dash is a crutch because I am too effective with it versus other specs,dash isn't broken because of movement,it was broken because it gave light even fewer punish windows than a decent light already has

[slow linden]

I agree,game great but the balance is really hurting it

They take sand out of the sandbox,patch out bugs that people like,nerf things that people aren't even complaining about,nerf beloved things and so on

[stoic garden]

🔥 me too

[hazy hemlock]

Light only has 150 health. Medium is broken because it has 250 health and there is only a 5% speed difference between the classes. While also being given most of the same gadgets as heavy. Light at base stats gets the same advantages as light without the drawbacks. Now thats we have a medium "evasive dash" its only gonna get worse. Medium is the only class in game that you cna run 3 of and still be meta and thats kinda an issue. Like be so fr. Why did medium have to get prox sens? Or other stuff that was only on heavy at first.

[slow linden]

In the beta every class used to move at the same speed,imo that'd probably work better

[hazy hemlock]

Medium gets everything +versatility and there's just not enough of a difference between medium and light

[hazy hemlock]

At that point they are all just medium. Lmao I dont like that at all

[slow linden]

But on the real I can track rocket jumps way better than I can track dash

[muted condor]

Also you have to aim away from people to use them and only get two

[hazy hemlock]

Any movement studd you do with dashless light you can do on medium jsut as well BUT you have more health and if you use the right guns ttk barely changes

[orchid crag]

all classes should specialize in everything but firepower

[slow linden]

In the beta heavy also had 450 health so yeah that was a bit much but they nerfed his speed AND lowered his health so idk what embark even wants to do

[stoic garden]

why are you still awake little ospuzian

[orchid crag]

idk juicer

[muted condor]

He’s guzzling my puser

[slow linden]

Impulse bomb is a fun and good addition,it's something fun and gimmicky but still useful like that that light should've gotten over dash imo

[muted condor]

I think think it’s funny I mentioned the idea of said spec months ago as a idea for a heavy gadget

[hazy hemlock]

If you ask me heavy is perfectly fine as is but they gonna have to puss people off and give light SOMETHING. Each time shit gets added light stocks go down. They gonna have to accept that people hate light and just bear with the complaints. Revert dash nerf. Dont even up dmg just double down on it being movement. Hell make it 2% faster at base cuz 5% isnt doin shit

[muted condor]

I may have inadvertently caused the death of heavy melee

Such a twist of fate

[slow linden]

I don't use mediums ars because I exclusively try to play off meta unless I personally find a weapon fun,and mediums automatics apart from akm on rare occasions just aren't it

[hazy hemlock]

This is how I feel. Impulse ABSOLUTELY should have been on light. It gives movement you want on the class but also adds versatility for team play. It would have literally been THE spec to use on light. Medium has demat and heal beam to choose between. On light you only have dash like come on dude

[hazy hemlock]

They all good but i get ehat you mean lol

[slow linden]

Heavy is not fine,heavy was fine before winchclaw,but then they ruined heavys weapon identity by nerfing everything around winchclaw rather than nerfing or removing winchclaw

[hazy hemlock]

When I say fine I mean ignoring winch😭 honestly imo make winch only useable with melee or shottys and move on

Fr what do you EVEN DO to gut winch atp?

[slow linden]

Melee and shotguns suffer the most from the anglerfish syndrome that winchclaw inflicts

[stoic garden]

put it in indefinite rework status like recon clearly

[hazy hemlock]

Like i can tell you what light needs. And its not medium nerfs. Atp just bring everyone up to medium

But winch like. Idk man. Make it not drag the cashout? But let lockbolt do it so you need 2 people coordinating to move it?

[slow linden]

I don't want winchclaw at all,I want heavys weapons to have the strength they did before winchclaw and get their own nerfs rather than be nerfed around a spec that I don't even fucking use

[hazy hemlock]

No this is real as fuck i get it lmao. Id say make winch not allowed to move cashbox and see how popular it is then

[stoic garden]

lockbolt stocks keep rising

[stoic garden]

lowkey shak winch heavies will not feel a thing

[hazy hemlock]

Lockbolt requires team play to move cashbox id be ok with this even tho I hate that damn gadget. Winch does your taxes for you lmao

[slow linden]

Lockbolt is the winchclaw rework we deserved