💣┇weapons-gadgets

[slow linden]

Of only it were that simple,if heavy were for everyone he wouldn't be so fun

[frigid dagger]

ah, but being slow isn't rly my thing

[unkempt moss]

If youre asking others what to play youre already there, bud.

Any decent heavy probably moves faster than you do on medium or light being new.

[gleaming aspen]

the being dlow thing isnt that bad unless your team mates are just taking fightd without you which thry will even if your not heavy

[slow linden]

Charge and slam,shak,goo gun if you want vertical mobility

Shak is basically a big smg shotgun,at least it works like one,it's really an ar

[gleaming aspen]

anti gravity cube movement tech trust

[unkempt moss]

The game plays at the pace of heavy anyway. The lights either wait or run up and get obliterated with the greatest of ease anyway.

[slow linden]

True

Sometimes slow and steady wins the race

[unkempt moss]

Mediums are there to support heavy. Light is there to die immediately and hit game feedback frame 1 about what killed them. Heavy is the game

[undone quarry]

who doesn't love the random light teammate who thinks he can take a 1 v 3 ☺️

[slow linden]

I'm stealing this in the future

[unkempt moss]

Heavy hits the hardest, looks the best, has the funnest kit, and is the foundation of The Finals.

[unkempt moss]

It's not stealing when you just pass on truth, my son.

[gleaming aspen]

the meta for light is literally to suppkrt heavy lolol

[slow linden]

60% lights go for kills,dont communicatewith their team,push 500 people and explode then complain in game feedback and on reddit for more time than they actually spend on the game,this is also 30% of mediums and a mere 10% of heavies

Heavy players are typically just better on average

[gleaming aspen]

real i do the same in unranked for ranked i lowkey just wait for my fat fuck heavy to engage and support whatever they do

[gleaming aspen]

winch bfr 😭

[slow linden]

Despite medium being the best class

[crystal edge]

Exactly

[unkempt moss]

Good boy

[gleaming aspen]

ur gay

[unkempt moss]

True

Now stand behind daddy while we push the other team

[slow linden]

Bfr yes,winch no,the lowest skill heavies typically use something like winch shak,lewis,or m60,something that they can just spray with little need to aim very well,ironically you'd think minigun would be good for this but it's actually one of the worst for undisciplined use

Fax no printer

[crystal edge]

Wow dagger is still nerfed but winch is still op ass hell i see

[slow linden]

I mean shak kills light just about as fast as bfr with only a fraction of the effort so it's just a better option,the path of least resistance is usually what the least skilled flock to,and it will often get them to undeserved heights

[gleaming aspen]

minigun start lag and slow down makes it harder to use its a newbie trap but i do think its a fun gun

[slow linden]

It's pretty good

It definitely needed that recent spread buff considering the meta we're in actively punishes minigun

Poke is miniguns hard counter,but give minigun a little extra range and suddenly poke ain't so good against it

And personally I'm against hard counters

Go play overwatch if you're going to make the entire game about fucking over the guy you're fighting with setups that his is built not to beat,counter swapping is dishonest and toxic

One trick,win or lose always one trick,always have integrity,play what YOU want

But yeah ranting aside miniguns perfect right now

[open surge]

Does anyone also have a weird glitch where if you switch back to your gun from the gateway you can't see through your sights?

[unkempt moss]

Only thing I would buff for mini is making the slide and spool feel a little less clunky

[unkempt moss]

Check bug reports.

[open surge]

ty i don't know where everything is in this server

[slow linden]

Don't know,I don't use gateway that much and the weapons I use on light don't have sights

[unkempt moss]

#1201841543926005810

There's you go, gamer.

[open surge]

TYSM

[twin haven]

ee

[wind wasp]

nerf bfr (day 2)

[lofty wedge]

Didn't they just nerf it

[slow linden]

It's fine just remove winch

[wind wasp]

85 fire rate to 83-2 fire rate

[sonic zephyr]

absolute f-tier weapon now. gj gutting another weapon embark

[slow linden]

It's really fine but honestly blame winch

Winch is the reason any heavy weapon gets nerfed nowadays

[wind wasp]

thanks embark ❤️

[lean narwhal]

has cerberus changed in any way this season? it feels a bit off

[sonic zephyr]

it got nerfed like 2 seasons ago

[unkempt moss]

Its the current focus for hate

[cerulean furnace]

Winch's stun isn't as bad anymore which I'm happy about, just wish the range wasn't so big, cuz damn it sometimes feels like they're grabbing me from 20 meters away

[unkempt moss]

Didn't they buff the stun and nerf range?

[spring spear]

they didnt touch the range, they nerfed the stun

[unkempt moss]

This patch?

Ive seen so many people saying its the same so I didn't think there was a change this patch

[placid slate]

Brother it's pretty fucking obvious that dmrs on heavy is a bad idea winch has nothing to do with it

[sonic zephyr]

is it a dmr when it cycles? i thought semi auto stuff like the pike or the lh1 count as dmr's

[shell sonnet]

what would be the worst weapon+class combo in the game?

[sonic zephyr]

winch mgl (ah nvm let me think again then)

[shell sonnet]

thats spec+weapon

im talking about if any weapon could be on any class, what would be the worst combo

[sonic zephyr]

maybe light minigun

[shell sonnet]

i wonder if the code would allow grapple + minigun

reminds me of that 1 experiment with demoknight + minigun

[sonic zephyr]

it pretty much does. didnt the chinese version have medium with a sledge for a special gamemode

[shell sonnet]

ive heard of that, but i didnt check it out much

[sonic zephyr]

you know what a crazy combination would be? Heavy with an mgl

sounds so cool i wish it was real.

[shell sonnet]

are you sure?
i dont think that would work...

jokes aside, love me my baby mgl

[wary haven]

ADAD A

[unkempt moss]

Everyone knows that long range but not bolt action means DMR

[shell sonnet]

barricade can now push the cashout apperantly

works on grand vaults in PB

can anyone confirm if cashouts work?

[unkempt moss]

RS i have an idea for your turret rework

[sonic zephyr]

ooooh a turret rework? i wanna hear more!

[unkempt moss]

Ill let him post his effort post.

[shell sonnet]

sure, shoot

[shell sonnet]

1 sec

[shell sonnet]

there you go, if you got an improvement idea, let me know

[muted condor]

Change turret to mini gun
Fully fixed

[unkempt moss]

Yes please

[shell sonnet]

wind up before shooting, followed by high damage you say?
you may like my rework

[muted condor]

Spin gives lights enough time to not get instantly melted but it still deal high damage that is enough to pressure all classes

[unkempt moss]

Yeah I like that. Thats going in my rework notes.

Ive always wanted a turret skin where it's Orf firing an AK47. Now it could just be a minigun

Anyway, for my Turret Rework I have it absorbing APS since no one uses it outside of powershift.

The life of the APS would recharge slowly, we'll say up to 8 charges. With different utility using different amounts of charges. So googun it could absorb up to 8 shots, CL40 would take two charges. Lethal grenades would take 3-4. Balance it that way.

Add the vision like a proximity detector when its targeting something like i said.

And now its a minigun and called Sentry Turret.

[sonic zephyr]

its kinda in the same space it was with torbjorns turrent in overwatch. its far too static

so giving it more mobility and some kind of damage boost when you tag / mark a target would be neat

[shell sonnet]

i mean, aps could see more usage i guess?
and not countering cl as bad aint nothing to compalin about either

i just dont think it should do 17 different things

[slow linden]

It's a pistol,needs a range nerf,but for the most part it's fine

[sonic zephyr]

its a sniper. it being a revolver is just a skin really. Weapon classes mean nothing in this game

[muted condor]

Aps isn’t actually bad it’s self it’s bad because the things it counters are dog shit so you don’t need it

[slow linden]

You could lower the range and make it more on par with revolver

[sonic zephyr]

we have the twin deagles that in their own way fill that niche

[muted condor]

That’s just the KS but worse

[slow linden]

That said remove winch

[slow linden]

The deagles are a reskinned pike

[sonic zephyr]

or yeah fair enough theyre more like the pike i forgot that it exists

[unkempt moss]

Okay

[sonic zephyr]

what if we make the turret racist and it deals higher or lower damage based on ethnics?

[serene glade]

Why is this guy not on the fucking balance team.

[slow linden]

Get this man a job!!🗣🗣🗣

[shell sonnet]

no
teammate leash

[slow linden]

Winch working only on teammates would be very funny

[shell sonnet]

what would be the most effective way to move things with this

stupid idea:
pull the grand vault on monaco into the fire place with winch, while you hide inside

[serene glade]

Only useful thing btw I feel like would just be using it in the hospital to loop the cash out out of bounds. But even then I don't even feel like that could manage that

[shell sonnet]

it breaks walls btw

sometimes?
worked with grand vault

[analog pewter]

god i wish the revolver wasnt SO reliant in headshots

[plucky spade]

Skill issue™

[timber sparrow]

Thats like the whole gimmick of the revolver tho

[foggy sail]

what do yall think abt mesh shield now with winch nerfed?? worth using or nah??

[onyx bay]

hey guys, if i buy the starter pack, and use the 1150 multibucks to buy the battle pass, does that make ultimate cheaper, or does buying ultimate make the starter pack no longer 3 free skins?

[analog pewter]

ultimate is a cash only purchase but when you upgrade the BP it refunds the multibucks you spent on it
so it wont make it cheaper

[frigid imp]

what gun should i use on light

[manic veldt]

What are you looking for, play style wise

[frigid imp]

to win

[manic veldt]

Win like a loser or win like you have skill?

[frigid imp]

idc

i just wanna win

[manic veldt]

Sword, LH1, Sh1900, or the ARN are my picks

The V9S is going good this season too

[frigid imp]

alr ty

[rare shale]

That nullifier be so clutch

In nullifier i trust

[night otter]

if you drag the blue dummy in pratice range into the training room doing this theres a small spot in the doorway where it falls through

[analog pewter]

i wanna see an LTM where every class is light. you can use any spec, equipment, and weapon, but everyone is light with light health pool and speed

would be horribly unbalanced but hilarious
and the weapons might even be fine since most weapons kill light almost instantly anyways

or maybe an LTM where everyone has permanent cloaking device on that doesn't make any noise, but everyone is periodically pinged to the enemy team. like every 10 seconds you get a sonar ping on every enemy.

[amber epoch]

the RPG is a little insane, im a light player and im not sure if its just me but the RPG feels very oppressive since its buff, its already very difficult to win a 1v1 against a heavy that has winch but now it feels almost impossible. i know im light and therefore have the lowest health, im not saying that the heavy is broken but the RPG change is brutal imo

[atomic fjord]

Just played the new buffed v9s and that thing is wayyy too strong, the range needs a huge nerf it just feels unfair to play with/against. no other weapons can compete.

[unkempt moss]

Youre in good company. A lot of the light players here are completely helpless against the might of the RPG. They'll probablt revert it, just make sure to speak your mind in game feedback.

[raven obsidian]

can we get emerald barricades with the new emerald coins?

[mild hill]

Anyone got a good gadget load out for heavy and medium?

[analog pewter]

medium is easy. goo grenade/jump pad/defib

heavy? RPG/Dome shield/Lockbolt or C4

[mild hill]

Thanks

[orchid burrow]

I use the explosive and gas mines with the defib for medium and, RPg, c4, and explosive mine for heavy.

[eager wasp]

rpg, c4/pyro mines/healing emitter, dome shield

[fiery thunder]

Frag, Jump, Defib (Also Good: Gas Mine, Goo Grenade, though I prefer Frag Grenade)

[mild hill]

Thank all of you guys

[winged compass]

drop goo nade for breach drill >: )

[mild hill]

Yh I currently use glitch mine, breach drill, defibrillator

[edgy widget]

I have this loadout if that helps you

[mild hill]

Thanks

[dusty pelican]

charge n slam, rpg, either dome or front shield, c4 and (personally) i use healing emitter but pyro mine is also really good
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/957385587009159220/1450033394124849163/image.png?ex=69411055&is=693fbed5&hm=86a57b795379e479e1317fb9241854b6b170ca421b458e914ea60e61a4c29522&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[outer crow]

+++

[slow linden]

The problem is that it has Hella spread for some reason

[hardy dust]

Revolver? Do you mean deagles?

[indigo nexus]

It does not have general ADS inaccuracy.

It may have in-air inaccuracy, I’m not sure; I’ve seen some clips of people getting consecutive in-air headshots with it though

[slow linden]

It's hipfire is a bit too wide for a mid to close range brawler

Also it blank hitmarkers a lot for some reason,though I blame the shit servers,it did not feel this bad in beta

[indigo nexus]

It’s pretty much the best hipfire in the game

I wouldn’t mind if it was buffed but I don’t think it needs it

[indigo nexus]

Seen about 3 clips of this and in every one it was just people narrowly missing their shots and blaming the servers for it :p

[slow linden]

Ehhh I dunno,close poke should have near perfect hipfire,there have been times where we'd be in a small ass room and I would be hipfiring at center mass and Hitting maybe two

The only two ways I could miss is if the bloom is too high or the servers are shit

And I'm not sure they put bloom on any poke weapons at all

[indigo nexus]

Huh? Which weapons are you talking about?

bow, MGL and CL-40 don’t have spread, but they’re the only ranged weapons that fit that criteria. Or I guess you could argue flamethrower and shotguns too, but… well, it doesn’t matter here

have an ok clip of revolver hipfire, the crosshair does accurately show where it can go.

super accurate if you crouch

[slow linden]

When I say bloom I mean ramping dispersion

[plucky spade]

Found a way to make breach work?

[indigo nexus]

I don't know what that means

[slow linden]

Needing to crouch to use a weapon effectively is kinda buns,if I stop moving for a millisecond I will be Swiss cheesed

[indigo nexus]

you don't, it just has near perfect hipfire when you do

if you're walking while firing it it's still relatively good, but of course you'd only want to do that within like 8 meters

[slow linden]

I dunno,something about it feels off,I kinda just shove it down people's throats now because I feel that I have to

Something about revolver has gone a bit off since the beta

[outer crow]

Calling deagle a revolver.........

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[blazing wave]

Hello The Finals Support Team,
I hope you are doing well.
I am writing to report a possible technical issue with my World Tournament rewards. I reached 2400 points in the World Tournament, and I have received all the rewards except the P90 weapon skin
The P90 is my favorite weapon, and unfortunately, its skin has not been delivered to my account until now. I believe this may be a system or reward distribution issue.
Account name: UNOHANA#0763
I kindly ask you to check this issue and help me receive the missing P90 skin reward.
Thank you very much for your time and support.

Best regards,
UNOHANA

[wise robin]

Hate speech of any kind, harassment, and/or bullying will not be tolerated anywhere on the serverHello?❤️ I choose you as a giveaway winner of $15,000 🎄🎁 inbox 📥 back on cashapp and say Pay me Momma?

[slow linden]

Coin yourself

[muted condor]

You should team wipe yourself NOW

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[placid slate]

Can I use hate speech on the bot?

[indigo nexus]

Pay me, momma!

[young pewter]

I'm going to drop a precision feral hog summoning on your location

[unkempt moss]

Its encouraged.

[stoic garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886104551105658911/1078522965077000202/retsu.gif

[unkempt moss]

Did they actually kill winch claw?

[stiff vine]

its too hard to kill

[unkempt moss]

What do they need to nerf next

[sudden pewter]

Probably a full rework with a wind-up

[unkempt moss]

So the start up is the problem?

Could they give it the range back if they add the wind up?

[sudden pewter]

Start up? It’s an instant cast

A wind-up would:

• Lessen its reactivity (forces a Heavy to be proactive as they can’t respond instantly with Winch)
• Give enemies a chance to counterplay (Visual windup would warn enemies visually a Winch is incoming)

A windup could also be grounds for the stun to reasonably exist, as now it’s something that needs to be committed to and would warrant such a payoff

Stuns are still lame asf but it would be better than its current state where a Heavy can throw a Winch as long as it’s off CD and have a guaranteed benefit (even if they’re already close)

[unkempt moss]

I guess when I said start up I meant lack there of. Thank you for treating me like a moron though.

I dont have any issues with winch so I was trying to understand how you guys are getting demolished by it.

Can it have the range back if they add a long wind up and an air raid siren goes off so you guys know it's happening from safety? I stopped using it because the range nerf killed what I liked about it which was the utility of moving things.

You didn't answer the question you just made a snarky comment and then told me what I already knew that a wind up would do

[placid slate]

Nah I think it should make the enemy invincible for 3.75 seconds, that's a great idea, why hasn't embark done think before

[sudden pewter]

It should actually be turned into a Jetpack that gives Heavy both vertical/horizontal mobility

Wallhacks at the same time too

[unkempt moss]

Okay.

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-rabbit-do-not-be-afraid-rabbit-falling-izbugalza-gif-5786385398243817699

[serene glade]

who'd win in a reddit off, c4tter or solar sausage?

[unkempt moss]

I was just curious what these people thought. Its all good.

[sudden pewter]

Solar has that wacky little numbers chart and numbers scare me

I wouldn’t want to Reddit Huggy Wuggy 67 BeatBox Battle him

[muted condor]

I love when the low iq winch players repeatedly winch me when Im running mini gun

[blazing flume]

Not a bad strategy if the minigun isn’t already firing

[unkempt moss]

Is the stun long enough to kill the spool up?

[eager wasp]

i didnt know it kept working even through a winch when playing friendlies and was mind blown

[sudden pewter]

It was, with the stun nerfs it may not be a 100% reduction but it’s still noticeable

[muted condor]

Not really as long as you’re fulling spun it and keep holding it you can fire basically instantly

[sudden pewter]

How far are you getting winched from? Close or far?

[muted condor]

Far usually

[sudden pewter]

Idk maybe my ping is just doodoo feces then because I faced against a winch user with Shak yesterday and I had to do around 1/2 a spool (I held down fire while winched)

[analog pewter]

with the current winch
add a wind up, but also make it so the hook keeps the opponent attached for a bit longer after pulling in, acting sorta like lockbolt. help rein in evasive dash as an instant escape. like less than a second

[compact tundra]

Idk hot take maybe but I like winches current state, a reasonable amount of stun, and a quick snappy feel to it, plus it has two really good counters rn

[sudden pewter]

Only took 6 seasons

[compact tundra]

Yea fair

[sudden pewter]

That was MY idea raaaaaaaagh!!1!2!2!

[compact tundra]

At least the release version didn't stick around for long, that was a monster

[analog pewter]

biggest problem imo is that only heavy counters it. heavy countering heavy feels weird, centralizes the meta around heavy

[slow linden]

Yes

[compact tundra]

Fair but goo also counters it and glitch nade and glitch trap can stall it

[analog pewter]

ive seen people propose HHL as a team format now because of mesh/dome countering winch
id like to see some medium gadgets get anti-winch utility, but idk how. maybe the APS turret can deflect it?

[slow linden]

What are those two counters

[analog pewter]

we're just both genius intelligent cool guys

[placid slate]

Mfs have no issue when this applies to medium

[compact tundra]

I like the idea that aps turret counters it

[unkempt moss]

Dome and mesh

[analog pewter]

give every class defib /j

[slow linden]

They forgot goo gun

[unkempt moss]

Happens

[analog pewter]

and also increase the radius of aps while we're at it !!!

idk how they solve medium's kit. jump pad and defib are too good to swap out but they're also extremely fun to use and feel fairly healthy for the game. then goo grenade just elevates defense as well as the flexibility of jump pad, so it feels like a natural extension of it. every other medium gadget is competing with greatness here

[compact tundra]

Idk about that, I know aps is kinda doo doo but so are the grenade launchers and I don't like gadgets that hard counter weapons

[analog pewter]

buff grenade launchers too

[compact tundra]

I can get behind that

[analog pewter]

make the APS bigger as a model so you can climb on it
and use it to ladder

[compact tundra]

Now that's cool, give it the barricade use case

[analog pewter]

i actually think the shorter fuse on the breach drill was a slight nerf bc you cant climb on it as long
its still better of course but you have to be faster to use it to climb now

[slow linden]

Not till they buff mgl and remove damage stages from the grenade launchers

[unkempt moss]

I wish they would add staged reloads to guns, but I think reload time is part of their balance philosophy to a large extent. So it would mess with all of that.

[sudden pewter]

RPS balance is always lame

It should only exist in extremes imo.

[compact tundra]

Idk I like it when done rough and sometimes it's realistic and still cool

[sudden pewter]

Can you give any examples?

For one: I like the barrel(?) cycle. Though it isn’t a perfect circle.

• Fire > Gas
• Gas = Smoke (coexist)
• Smoke < Explosives
• Smoke > Fire

[compact tundra]

My favorite example is irl melee fighting with single hit or limb systems.

This is how a lot of practice or larp fighting works in real life.
Basically how it works is if you're hit you're dead, or the l other rule set is if you're hit on your limb then you lose that limb, if you're hit on head or chest, you are just dead, if you lose 2 limbs you're dead.

In these games it tends to have a rock paper scissors style of play.

Sword and shield beats pole arms cause they can block with the shield and hit with the sword

Dual sword beats sword and shield since they can block with one sword and attack with the other

Pole arm beats dual sword since they can't really block stabs and the sword is to light to really block swings

It's a RPS style design just because of the nature of these weapons but it's still really fun

[unkempt moss]

Fighting games have been built on RPS since inception basically.

[sudden pewter]

Perhaps that’s why I dislike fighting games, I much prefer the dynamism possible with multiple tools. RPS is antithetical to that

I have the entire genre blacklisted on Steam

[analog pewter]

fighting games give you full access to the RPS in varying flavors though. when your loadout means you only get to have rock, then you're helpless against someone running paper

[unkempt moss]

Fighting games aren't that simple unfortunately. Things like throw tech, command and hit grabs, perfect blocking and alpha counters. Ranged attacks. Its just built on the foundation of RPS but its not really that simple anymore.

[analog pewter]

it's only old fighting games where unwinnable matchups exist. people play super turbo but there are only like 5 characters who can survive every matchup. IIRC isn't honda vs zangief like unwinnable for gief?

[sudden pewter]

Wouldn’t know, I only played Mortal Combat

[analog pewter]

in modern fighting games every character has access to rock, paper, and scissors in every situation. they just have better or worse versions of each
not very comparable to using GL in the finals where you're basically hard countered by several things

[tiny glen]

lowk buff m11 fire rate

[unkempt moss]

I haven't kept up on SF2 match up really. But there 9-1 match ups as recent as SF4U

[tiny glen]

1 000 000 000 rps

[unkempt moss]

Gief Sim was basically unwinnable in 4 ultra.

[analog pewter]

yea

[unkempt moss]

And 9-1 is insane. Im sure there has been some 8-2 or 7-3 since.

[slow linden]

Damage stages are the different damage zones of the explosions,the whole boom should hit for full damage

[unkempt moss]

I know. He said the word staged and it reminded me that I hate when I accidentally mantle when my minigun reload is 95% done and I have to full reload.

[raw nacelle]

What are heavy's meta gadgets?

[tiny glen]

dome rpg for sure and heal ball or c4 or barricades or goo

[serene glade]

It's been dome, c4, rpg for like 9 seasons now

[tiny glen]

dome rpg just too good

[sudden pewter]

Staged reloads should begin rolling out next year, stay strong brother

[tiny glen]

dual blades got the best melee vibes

[slow linden]

Ah yeah that is annoying

[ionic plover]

Do any of yous survive a sledgehammerer while playing medium akm

[compact tundra]

Yea

[violet solar]

depends on the distance and my options but goo works well on melee players when their trying to rush you

[compact tundra]

Idk I just turn around and run away, I treat it like a nuke eject in titan fall 2 and it works well

[violet solar]

until your winched

[civic forum]

Embark needs to stop listening to the haters in this game and stop nerfing because of it. Heavy already has the meta dome and rpg and ur set. Now bring up the gadgets or better gear to match these instead of nerfing.

[compact tundra]

I do that after I'm winched, I just turn around and run and there's little they can do

[wide stratus]

Sword is ruining the game...

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tweaking-i-show-speed-gif-12569714116302055236

[unkempt moss]

Agreed.

[placid slate]

Spear got the best overall depth outside dagger

[runic totem]

Maybe against people hardstuck gold

[odd osprey]

play range, goonade, dash backwards, lockbolt, pyronade, goo gun

[pearl wyvern]

They should add a Tech N9ne for the light

[placid slate]

Silver*

[plucky spade]

the ragebait

[raven void]

GIVE ME AN OSPUZE FLAMETHROWER.
The ammo tank - its already shaped like a can. come on now. make it a can.
Instead of flames make it shoot fizzy yellow.
Reload animation: crunch the can. Shove the next one on. pop the can. ez access to my wallet embark and probably so many others xd

[shell sonnet]

inspect animation where you take the tank out and CHUG CHUG CHUG

[compact tundra]

I 2nd this, my wallet is open to you embark all you must do is supply the ospuze

[indigo nexus]

This generally doesn’t work unless they just… don’t chase you properly. The lunge allows them to keep pace at close range

[compact tundra]

Idk it worked for me, I just turn around and run and they can't do anything besides lockbolt me, but I am pretty decent at movement tho so maybe my slide hopping is throwing off the lunge

[sonic zephyr]

yo imma be real i think that v9s being broken is pure placebo. no shot such a miniscule chance brakes the weapon like that

[violet solar]

if you get winched there guaranteed to get a hit and when you turn around and run the melee pulls them closer when they swing cause it lunges meaning you die

[compact tundra]

Idk it works for me, usually I can dodge the big hit if I'm winched and if it's the swing then they need 3 to kill so I'm gone by the 3rd

[unkempt moss]

Maybe. I used it last night and its very easy to use even with my terrible aim.

[compact tundra]

I can't tell if we combo'd this poor man or if I saved the person being revived from an agonizing death

[slender bear]

I still hope we get new specs in season 10

[sonic zephyr]

i mean that would have been the case pre buff too. the buff only slightly buffed the range

[compact tundra]

They also buffed the damage it does at range which is the big problem from what I know. It now has a better ttk at range than the XP, the prior go to range option

[sonic zephyr]

the go to range option is the arn the xp has unfortunately fallen into obscurity long ago

[compact tundra]

I think the Arn is more of a Versatility thing, the XP has better range If I'm correct

[unkempt moss]

We all know homie is trying to down play his new heat. Go ahead and pop off king.

[sonic zephyr]

in case of doubt. accuse someone of being a light player

[unkempt moss]

Always.

[wild zenith]

it was already really strong but everyone was sleeping on it

[slow linden]

Nah silver

[slow linden]

Yea just shoot them in the face and you win

[polar cedar]

v9s was broken before the buff, everyone was just saying that it sucked
same as 93r

[midnight lichen]

arn has much better range and much less recoil

[unkempt moss]

I'm able to do anything when it comes to proving myself right and someone else wrong

What are they going to do? Ask for proof?

[mellow hull]

lol true

[pallid canopy]

COSMETICTS TEAM!!!!!
GIVE ME A BOW INSPECT!!!!!
AND MY MONEY, IS YOURS!!!!!

[midnight lichen]

easily

[slow linden]

Melee as a whole being in an awful and undertuned state is ruining the game if anything

[glass lance]

Rocket launcher hurts you more then the enemy :/

[unkempt moss]

I think sword ruins the discord more than the game.

[unkempt moss]

This is by design. Its supposed to encourage you to play in a different way.

[slow linden]

Agreed,it's the communal punching bag. Dog died? Blame sword. Parents divorced? Sword was the cause

[violet solar]

depends on distance if its point blank your prolly not wining if your within winch distance and get winched your also not wining but if you can play distance and shoot its an easy w

[slow linden]

Likely no,but any melee bar medium melee is literally free past like 4 meters

Melee is obviously going to dominate in favorable conditions for melee,as it should

[violet solar]

Well hammer can dominate 10m engagements if you can hit winch

[slow linden]

And ranged dominates everywhere else because it's just better

[slow linden]

Winch claw is the tool of the lobotomite

It should not be in the game

[violet solar]

Fair but just pointing out that winch makes melee heavy dangerous at a much further range

[slow linden]

I use goo or cns with heavy melee

Occasionally I'll play mesh Sledge for the funny

Charge and spear is extremely funny

[limber kite]

Sword bad in your opinion? BLAME SWORD 🗣️ 🔥

[outer crow]

yep

a f.... pistol deals more damage per bullet than heavy machine guns 💀

[digital ledge]

9mm > 7.62

[outer crow]

9mm is far more weaker than 7.62

[digital ledge]

game says otherwise

[outer crow]

yea

[digital ledge]

9mm does 40 dmg
and 7.62 (m60 and akm) do 20 dmg

[outer crow]

bruh 😂

no wonder why heavy melts so fast

[digital ledge]

not to mention shorter barrel = more damage

[outer crow]

l logic

Hey army - drop ur AR's/snipers - Pistols are the best 😂

[digital ledge]

it's a digital arena, anything's possible

it's why heavy uses the bfr now

[unborn lava]

The dual blades let you reflect bullets and deflect melee attacks, a prime example of this.

Funny how they don't give you super reaction speed, your hands just automatically swing the blades to reflect bullets. That must feel weird for the player character wearing the VR headset.

[indigo nexus]

…miniscule? They extended its damage range by a huge deal. 10-15 -> 15-25 is a massive improvement!

[indigo nexus]

It always did, this barely affected it

V9S never had bad range performance, it was only awkward because at close-mid range it did relatively low damage

[sonic zephyr]

on paper but how have the breakpoints changed?

[sonic zephyr]

idc about ttk no shot someone is getting the fastest possible ttk and no shot is 0.2 sec make a difference on range give me the exact ammount of bullets

1 less bullet? 2 less bullets?

[indigo nexus]

ttk is directly proportional to btk - 1 so I’m not sure what the idea is there

It varies per class, per range and based on where you hit, so I’m not sure what you’re asking for exactly since basic bullets-to-kill is trivially computable

[outer crow]

of course it is, its a 50% boost

[wild zenith]

how impactful are the frag buffs

[dry widget]

What is the point of the FCAR when AK is better?

[sonic zephyr]

ak is for bad people f-car for the good ones. thats atleast what movies taught me

[unkempt moss]

I wish there was a way to take like average accuracy % with a gun and work it in to a model like this. And then even break it down by ranks.

The part that is always a sticking point for me with ttk is it feels hard to translate to an actual effectiveness. Being able to work in accuracy at 10m intervals, then be able to break that down by rank would be interesting.

Say at 20m the fcar has an average accuracy in platinum of 50% but the AKM has like 40%. FCAR would have a lower effective ttk than the AKM. But it would be hard to work in effective critical hits and things for this. Im sure Embark has access to data like this and balances with it in mind.

[plucky spade]

Look, the meta in this game suffers heavily from overcorrection

[unkempt moss]

Yeah that's pretty true.

I wish they would overcorrect the MGL

[indigo nexus]

There is, but I don’t have a good way to model how a player’s accuracy might differ between weapons and ranges

Embark could do this

[indigo nexus]

I’m not sure, people seem to get annoyed when they don’t make overcompensating changes which shift the meta

Maybe it’s intentional for attempted variety

When there are small changes that don’t cause a radical shift people tend to forget about them almost immediately and not shift their opinions on the state of a gun

[storm cedar]

what are they doing with thermal vision

[indigo nexus]

We don’t know

[polar dove]

nerf V9S

[plucky spade]

Lmao

[placid slate]

V9S shit could've been solved by actually doing more than 2 balance changes to light weapons

[vale coral]

It was always good

[tranquil oxide]

Can anyone give me a sowrd loutdout

[plucky spade]

First time?

Dash, vanish bomb, gateway and h+

You can switch vanish for goo if you feel you got the ambushing thing nailed

[safe needle]

HI

[wide stratus]

You eejits think everything that you disagree with is ragebait 🤣🤣🤣

[muted condor]

2/10 bait

[dense shore]

Personally I really reccomend having evasive dash for movement. Vanish bomb, fire grenade and healing infuser (not sure what its called exactly)

[outer crow]

9 bodyshots to kill heavy, 20 mag and 1.3 sec reload 💀

[tranquil oxide]

Thanks you allot i have the same without the last one beacuse i'm the best with fire greande

[dense shore]

Yeah fire grenade is awesome!

Its so nice to block off a chasing enemy when you get low

[plucky spade]

Yeah because sword is such a non issue that it can't be anything else

[serene glade]

With how much hate the sword gets, and then how much ass kissing it simultaneously gets. For the love of God just give the thing to medium and give lights dual blades or something. People are writing novels about the stupid thing constantly

[limber kite]

Because Light is both hated and loved, fax

[serene glade]

No this is completely different than that. It's the only light weapon I've ever seen white knights for

[deep mason]

@violet solar 360 allows for certain player who abuse mouse sensitivity to use multihit on one player twice doing double damage

[placid slate]

We should also give the revolver to light

[deep mason]

The youtuber siryellowjacket used the 360 exploit often

[violet solar]

i play at 12,000 dpi and 45 sens no matter how fast i turn my camera i cant hit the same person twice

[limber kite]

Snub Revolver I guess, fed on low power ammo

[deep mason]

I don't know what he does but he pulls it off in vid pre nerf

[placid slate]

No I mean the actual revolver, since we're talking about arbitrarily removing and adding weapons to different archetypes

[limber kite]

Light actually got V9S may I remind you

[placid slate]

Damm I didn't know that the v9s was actually the medium revolver

[limber kite]

2 Same archetype weapons on one class? Not a great idea for me

[serene glade]

light gets a block, medium gets a lunge. removes the double medium melee of both being block weapons. but ok just dismiss it immediately and get your reddit points

[rare shale]

A fst 1 at that

[placid slate]

The revolver was originally a light weapon btw

[limber kite]

Think of adding Magnum to Light as of BFR VS KS situation

[rare shale]

Nah... It's meant to be

[rare shale]

More like a lil snob nose

[violet solar]

well thats about as fast a 360 as any

[deep mason]

Well it's obviously nerfed now

[violet solar]

idk i could be doing it wrong was just tring for myself the amount of stuff i hear and see that is wrong is crazy so i tend to test myself

[inner night]

so i hit em1 last season but i still havent gotten the skin for the p90, any ideas why this is? i got all the other rewards

[violet solar]

go look at the game announcement of dec 12

[inner night]

ty

[unkempt moss]

Alright, swap sword to Medium for dual blades and revolver, and cerb to heavy. But thats it!

The only problem is that the revolver is way to weak to be a light weapon. Lighters would be howling for a buff immediately.

But, the headshot would finally be allowed to one tap lights since light light one shots are okay.

[placid slate]

It was a light weapon originally so its not too far out of the weapons design to function on the class if given number changes

[unkempt moss]

Couldn't most weapons function on a class if given a number of changes?

For something to be a light you basically just reduce recoil by a ton, increase range and damage.

[bleak osprey]

another day another request for kriss vector

[unkempt moss]

For which class

[serene glade]

doesnt matter, every gun can work for every class

[unkempt moss]

given a number of changes?

[muted condor]

I want more fun weapons instead of another basic smg or rifle

[placid slate]

Modern crossbow?

[muted condor]

Hell yeah

[placid slate]

Maybe fed with some kinda mag so it doesn't have to rely on big meaty numbers which will cause issues

[muted condor]

I wish they didn’t give the lockbolt the commando skin because that could have been a cool weapon

Launcher with explosive and thermite rounds that you could choose from

[sudden pewter]

Alt damage types? In my Finals?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[green vine]

which one is better m11 or arn?

[modest lynx]

Arn is more flexible in general, m11 is a Close range pestering weapon

[unkempt moss]

Arn is more flexible in general, m11 is a Close range pestering weapon

[muted condor]

Arn is more flexible in general, m11 is a Close range pestering weapon

[modest lynx]

Real

[drifting python]

to get xp on pad it says 75 for deploying the pad and 75 for every contestant that uses it. can i deploy and then pick up and repeat?

[analog pewter]

man the v9s buff is probably the worst way they could have buffed it

fighting it feels awful now, it just feels like a more oppressive LH1

i would have rather seen it lean into its short range nature and get better hip-fire and/or reduced visual recoil instead of just being given more range

[sudden pewter]

It’s a faster firing LH1 essentially

Awful with how prevalent it is RN

[analog pewter]

yeah and with more ammo and less recoil

[sudden pewter]

I’ve been playing TDM with a friend (he only likes TDM) and I’ve had entire lobbies of lights with V9S

I cannot exist in any area because Lights are so hypermobile they can roam as they want and shoot me beyond any reasonable distance with impunity

[analog pewter]

try fighting them as a light w/o the v9s, it feels awful. you have no chance
been using recurve and now whenever i see a v9s light i just run away bc there's no winning that duel

[sudden pewter]

It’s terrible, and will remain so for another week at the earliest. Embark dropped the ball hard. But we get another TGM next year!!!!

[analog pewter]

this season otherwise feels like the best the game has ever been, so I'm not super pressed
but I'm also like. man. wish i could play light rn

[sudden pewter]

I really like the new map, but I wish the patchnotes in regards to balance was longer given how long we went without

Also not too excited for the theme of the season, more Eastern stuff

[analog pewter]

i unfortunately havent played the new map more than once because ive been playing so much point break and it's not in that mode. but the little I did play was REALLY nice, definitely could be my favorite map in the game

[sudden pewter]

But it is what it is 😔

[analog pewter]

i would like it bc i use a lot of eastern stuff in my loadouts but surprisingly not much of it fits with what I'm already wearing

I still really like this pass though idk
I do think all the best stuff is front-loaded, like the later tiers I'm not all that impressed by

[drifting python]

to get xp on pad it says 75 for deploying the pad and 75 for every contestant that uses it. can i deploy and then pick up and repeat?

[sudden pewter]

I like the Baihu cosmetics, Tacticool but with something like Pseudo Llamilar(?)

I’d like more of those, also PLEASE PLEASE let this be the season we get an Eclipse Shade KS23

[analog pewter]

with shells strapped to the side

[sudden pewter]

Slugs* 👄
(Shells visually distinct from others like those found on the eclipse shade SA to signify that they are slugs shells and not the standard shotgun shells xoxo)

[analog pewter]

arent slugs a type of shell
like
the shell just describes the form am i wrong

[sudden pewter]

BFR could be cool too…

[analog pewter]

i want eclipse shade recurve bow that turns it into a compound bow with unique animations

[sudden pewter]

Not sure unique animations would be possible given it’s a skin series

[analog pewter]

i mean they do animations for other skins, like horizon hammer revolver

[sudden pewter]

Actually no, the model has some because it uses the one handed skeleton

[analog pewter]

yea that too, its fairly common

[sudden pewter]

Horizon Hammer isn’t a series of skins, its unique to the revolver

[analog pewter]

it's the same principle. dough wrangler was the only unique one-handed model skin until eclipse shade. they could make another break action revolver skin

[sudden pewter]

Eclipse Shade Revolver 😤

[analog pewter]

would fuck hard

[sudden pewter]

I’d kill for an Eclipse Shade Lewis

[analog pewter]

aw hell na they made my WWII gun tacticool

eclipse shade riot shield. the window has a holographic reticle

[sudden pewter]

What

[analog pewter]

an eclipse shade riot shield skin, it makes the window act like a holo sight

[sudden pewter]

For a shield?

[analog pewter]

yes

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[analog pewter]

like that sledge skin that has the holo sight on it

[sudden pewter]

Oh

[analog pewter]

still waiting for finger guns deagles

or a magic staff flamethrower

[muted condor]

Trying to correct gun grammar and getting it wrong you’re self

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[sudden pewter]

THEY ARE SLUGS

RAAAAAAGH

[muted condor]

No they are shells

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

They’re different from standard ammunition

[muted condor]

SLUGS ARE INSIDE SHELLS

SHELLS ARE NOT A SPECIFIC AMMO TYPE

[sudden pewter]

FUCK YOU!!1!!2!2

https://tenor.com/view/slug-live-slug-reaction-reaction-funny-meme-gif-25460913

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-get-coined-nama-tama-gif-26831859

[plucky gust]

Modernized Lewis would go nice + doesn't have to be an eclipse shade since they have a new tactical line with that blackout arn skin

[random nest]

aps-turret meta?

[serene glade]

Yeah

[swift agate]

Hi, resident gun nerd here, they are shells. The term "slug" describes the type of projectile inside the shell, such as is "buckshot" and "birdshot". You can call the whole cartridge a slug if there is a need for disambiguation, but it looked like that wasn't the case and you just wanted to incorrectly correct somebody for no apparent reason

[spring spear]

the oppressive turret meta strikes again

[plucky axle]

what should I be running on medium?

[civic forum]

The Stun on Winch claw really needs to be taken out of the game. Orginally the stun gun on light was removed and reworked because it secured a kill. Heavy currently has a secure kill if you winch claw. It should be taken into consideration.

[unkempt moss]

Someone online talking out of their ass for a sense of fake superiority? No shot.

[unkempt moss]

Definitely

No stun, a wind up to the throw so people cant panic button the winch.

[sudden pewter]

At least the stun gun needed to be drawn, then stowed. Winch is instant

[unkempt moss]

Possibly range nerf as well. Maybe a ramping up to the max distance as you wind up the winch.

[limber kite]

Maybe a wind up animation for winch or some dodge mechanic with sidesliding?

[sudden pewter]

Very much against the idea of giving dodge to any other archetype. Windup is more than enough

[unkempt moss]

Heavy having 4 specs, I wouldn't even mind if they took out winch for a while so they could rework it and reduce frustration.

[limber kite]

Or we can just think up light & medium specializations that will get accepted fast :-P

[unkempt moss]

Or that.

Its been 6 seasons of the winch terrorizing players. Give it a little rest

[limber kite]

How do you think, when Embark will re-release Thermal vision on light?

[unkempt moss]

I have no idea. I dont usually keep up with the embark correspondence like others do. I thought it would be back this season.

I dont even really know why it got shelved in the first place.

[limber kite]

And yet we ended up with smoke nerfs...

I hope though that KS & BFR will get rebalanced - Not nerfed, not too buffed, just switched around so they will be more distinct from each other

[serene glade]

How far along is that mgl rework

[unkempt moss]

8%

[sudden pewter]

You’re absolutely correct! What I meant was that since the KS uses a different type of ammunition than every other shotgun in the game they’d need to be different from them visually! (The ammo on the side)

Slug & Buckshot both use shells, but because the payload is different, the visuals should reflect that!

The standard buckshot (which we can see in trinkets & the side of the SA) appear to be red, where the slug (we have a trinket iirc) could be black

[sudden pewter]

Sorry for any confusion!

[limber kite]

On KS-23's Wikipedia page its said that the slugs are the Anti-Vehicle ammo ones

[sudden pewter]

Yes, but clearly the IG KS isn't using Anti-Armor shells

Otherwise Lights would be turned into a fine red mist with a single shot

[limber kite]

Again, Not saying you're wrong, but they are Anti-Vehicle SLUGS

And Lights that would die to them is just a skill issue :-P

[sudden pewter]

Yes, a separate ammo type from standard shotgun shells, which is why I specifically called them slugs

Still in shells, 100%
Absolutely not arguing that point
Never did
But I specified because of the need to have them visually distinct from what is on the SA

[unkempt moss]

This is still going on? Brother, you made a simple semantic mistake. Its all good.

[sudden pewter]

Something like this!

[sudden pewter]

Had to clarify because some read a bit too into it

[limber kite]

Could be an option, I know that There is the color coding for shotgun ammo, maybe we could think up some color code for the "breaching slug"? Maybe a Black Slug with Green Rim ring (Above the rim base itself) 🤔

[sudden pewter]

For reference, here's the SA skin and the visible shells (standard buckshot afaik)

[limber kite]

I get it bro, No worries

[sudden pewter]

I'd assume thats what the black shell is supposed to be? As there isn't any other gun in the game that fired slugs

[limber kite]

Black = additional charge + Green = Slug

For instance I remember some #000 Buckshots are black

[sudden pewter]

Weird thing about this charm is that IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY (can't check because I own the bundle) is that the Slug Life trinket comes from the Eclipse Shade Model skin, which doesn't fire slugs, and also has red shells! But they're unmarked and the ER8 designation is on the gun instead

Both shotguns (SA + Model) use the same ammo, but the shells look different and I'm not sure why? The Models are ribbed

[limber kite]

I'm talking IRL designation bro

[sudden pewter]

Oh, then I can't talk to that

I've played maybe 20-30m of Tarkov

[limber kite]

But we can always pull some colors out of thin air, as I said, Black + Green rim = prominient imo

[limber kite]

I don't play Tarkov, I do books :-D

[sudden pewter]

🤷‍♂️ I'd just want the Black Slug because we have a slug trinket that would match

We have a standard shell trinket too, but it's DIFFERENT FROM THE TWO EXAMPLES ABOVE RAAAAAGH (called the Hot-ShotShell)

[limber kite]

Listen, I got a cool Gunsmithing Lexicon with ammo and stuff, maybe we could think something up tomorrow?

Its 5:36 on me poor Europinus rn (Haven't slept X_X)

[sudden pewter]

Europoor 🫵

SLEEP

[sudden pewter]

Also dunno if this was in #game-announcements but apparently they finally made a crossover of sorts?

[analog pewter]

i hope this brings a few AR players to the finals

[sudden pewter]

I don't see the overlap, but hey maybe even 2% will stick around

Shame you only get XP for playing Arc Raiders if I'm reading it right. Would have loved some Raider inspired cosmetics

The chicken is a prime candidate for a shoulder pet just saying Embark

[unkempt moss]

Scrappy is based

When ya pockets was low, that lil mf is there for you.

[sudden pewter]

As he gets upgraded the free metal frags come in clutch for crafting more ammo

[unkempt moss]

he a goat fr

[restive plover]

They are trying to get people to go to Arc Raiders in promoting their big update while I’m trying to convince my friends to come to the finals with its big update. :/

[grand wigeon]

@indigo nexus Can you explain which weapon were buffed sinse S1, for example?

[indigo nexus]

If we only include guns which were available on the S1 launch then I think you only have MGL and arguably M11, as they did do a ton of nerfing throughout S1 and to a lesser extent S2. Several of the weapons introduced in later seasons, this applies to though.

It’s also worth noting that most people didn’t really fall in love with the earlier versions, they were just less jaded… their player retention was awful back then compared to how it is now.

[jade laurel]

Blunderbuss when

[cerulean furnace]

Crossbow ofc

[grand wigeon]

Yeah, I can understand why players dropped the game in its first versions — the progression was terrible and the balance was unstable. But as far as You’ve noticed, only the MGL and M11 were buffed. I might be wrong because I don’t remember everything clearly, but the MGL was never overpowered, wasn’t it?

If we look at the game as it is now, it’s slower than the early access versions, or even Seasons 1 and 2. I think that’s a problem. All the hype during the first weeks after release existed because the game was about more building destruction, chaotic and flexible gameplay. And from all of that, now we only have building destruction and maybe a little bit of chaos.

I’m just sad about what we had and what was taken away from our possibilities as players. You may not agree with me, and I can understand that — just please don’t stop me from pushing for what I’d like to get back! 😄

[jade laurel]

When blunderbuss

[indigo nexus]

I would say the game is significantly more chaotic and flexible now than it was back then. We have a lot more tools at our disposal to that end. Nukes weren’t especially chaotic, they just ruined the balance.

Meta used to be way more important too, as some weapons were just much too strong.

I will voice disagreement with opinions which I think could make the game worse because I also want it to be as good as it can be

[grand wigeon]

Of course, more tools have been added over time and i like all of them. I was talking only about the things that don’t work right now. In my opinion, if something doesn’t work, you don’t need to delete it; you need to rework it. Just imagine how all this stuff could work if it were more balanced and accurately implemented in the current gameplay.

For example now we have a barricades with really good condition, but devs already says that this bug will be fixed as soon as possible, but ppl like it, why then? If it make some exploit - ok, but dont delete this cool feature. I hope it will be just more like fix instead of "we returned it back in last state"

I know it’s a fine line where a weapon can become too strong, but most of them were nerfed because once you nerf one thing, it immediately reveals the next “target” for nerfing

[indigo nexus]

I’m not sure which goo tech you were referring to or what you wanted them to do with it so I’m not sure exactly what you mean.

Goo planes? They were cool, that could have been kept, however it might have been expensive to re-introduce it in terms of dev time, since the reason it stopped working was a physics bug fix.

Barricades that can arbitrarily phase through surfaces is an issue as it kind of messes with the gadget design and looks weird, but we should see how they fix it first.

It seems that it was quite clearly the intention to slow down TTK a bit back in the first couple of seasons, I don’t think it makes much sense to assume the developers don’t understand their own game and actually nerfed things based on that sort of logic

[grand wigeon]

Yes, i agree with you!

And yes, goo ship was cool and funny. It's a shame they removed it because of the physics bug

[stray jay]

New Gadget idea for Medium: Granate that disperses a fog that heals.
Since L and H now have powerful healing gadgets wich can be chosen with all specialisations M needs a healing buff. My opinion. If the fog would also heal enemys, is to decide. What do ya'll think and of course Embark?

[drifting python]

healing buff? we have the healing beam

[stray jay]

I mean an healing Option which does not take away the specialization

[graceful nova]

Is it just me or have I been seeing a whole lot more poke weapons lately, like the repeater and BFR Titan.

I know about the whole aim snapping thing. And I’ve been winning less fights using sustain weapons like XP and FCAR. My aim might be off tho

[outer crow]

cl 40 can be easilly kited with a jumping lool

[stark mirage]

Sword needs to be nerfed

[unkempt moss]

I agree.

[indigo nexus]

it has suffered enough!

[limber kite]

Blame Sword 🗣️

[crystal edge]

Will they add the icicle dagger skin back?

[eager wasp]

Seeing as they bring back skins often, I’m sure they will

[crystal edge]

Hope they buff the god damn dagger too

I mean dagger is ok but in high rank lobby ur cooked

[eager wasp]

anyone with two or more neurons firing can beat dagger

[covert thunder]

Nerf v9s I shouldn’t be getting melted by a pistol as a heavy from over 80 m away

[serene glade]

they balance guns based on number of kills in mass pedestrian shootings. v9s is a 9mm so it takes priority over the other guns. youll have to wait until other bigger guns buump up their stats

[unkempt moss]

Sounds a bit ableist, could be new to the game.

[indigo nexus]

Sounds a bit ableist, many people only have one neuron

[placid slate]

It's fairly obvious how it's countered once you die to it

[drifting python]

what’s the best way to level up jump pad

[placid slate]

Place it, entire team uses it, pick up, repeat

[shell sonnet]

i know face stabs technically dont exist
but isnt it possible that, as the light dashes, while you try to keep an eye on where the light looks to be, due to delay, theyre already trying to stab you while they are already further on their screen
it makes trying to look at them basically up to the delay, and if you look too far while delay is low, or not far enough ahead while delay is high, you could be facing rigth at them and still die

probably a bit off-topic since its more about general idea

[drifting python]

can i just keep jumping on it?

or do i have to pic it up every time?

[placid slate]

It's counted once per deploy

Placing it gives xp anyway so it's more efficient to pick it up after a rotation

[drifting python]

ok nice

ima just do that

[knotty birch]

Yes this is definitely a thing i have had it happen to me and have done it. Heres the explanation: if u time the release of ur backstab properly as ur dashing at someone from the front the games melee auto aim mechanic locks on to them and you can effectively do an instant 180 as u pass through them.

[serene glade]

when i queue up and see a medium just jumping in spawn by himself i wont have any questions then

[shell sonnet]

i havent been forced into a free 180 before
but aim assist might play a part in getting backstabs near the edge of the back while trying to do this

[placid slate]

Nobody uses melee aim assist on dagger bro

[eager wasp]

melee aim assist is also bad for dagger if i remember correctly

[placid slate]

It's bad on everything

[eager wasp]

interesting, i only heard about it being bad on dagger and fine on other melee, gg

[unkempt moss]

Easy muchacho I didnt say I have a problem with it

[knotty birch]

You have to time it absolutely perfectly and maybe while also actively turning around urself but it does happen

Imma go into practice range and send a vid in #🔴┇media-chat once i do it if any of you care

[shell sonnet]

@ me please

tho do note, testing dummies have been confirmed to act a little fucky from time to time
i think it still applies to the new ones

[fleet patio]

how are you

[unkempt moss]

Pretty good.

[shell sonnet]

since its now freely available in bug reports, might as well share it with you, thought you might be interested

legitimacy questionable, but maybe you can figure out how to make proper legal goo launch tech with this

[noble saddle]

How do I optimize this loadout for solo queue?

Non negotiable changes

1. Pike, Guardian Turret, Defib

What other gadgets should be added to make this build a menace? I have been using sonar and glitch trap and it feels pretty decent but maybe there's something better

[unkempt moss]

Thanks, bud. Ill give it a go.

[sudden pewter]

Let nobody tell you that you’re not allowed to bounce on it 👍

[serene glade]

I've been running gas mine and gas grenade in ranked on medium. Nobody cares about optimizing, just use whatever. (But vision with motion sensors help you and your teammates with minimal comms)

[noble saddle]

The problem with using gas is my friggin team dies to my own gas more than the enemy lmao

[serene glade]

no yeah its definitely not that strong. im just saying you can use whatever and get by

[shell sonnet]

could an aoe 0g gadget be worth it?
like, it would be similar to grav cube, which worries me
but maybe it could be unique enough?

[topaz cosmos]

whats the medium meta weapon rn

[shell sonnet]

in casual, most things work
for ranked specifically i may not be the best one to ask, but afaik, the assault rifles have always been viable

[eager wasp]

repeater very good pick, famas i think isn't entirely bad, ARs are okay picks

[unkempt moss]

buffed model feels great.

[shell sonnet]

realistically, what did the mesh buff against winch do?

when you got mesh up, you arent shooting them, so they can kind of just wait
best case you turn it off and on again quickly and hope they winch and it hits your shield (if it even reactivates in time)
which is likely a bad idea anyways since it eats your shield hp without costing them ammo

[indigo nexus]

Well it’s better at juggling and tanking and not being winched, but you already knew those

In a 1v1 mesh is only really useful to catch some bullets from them and hopefully force them into a reload, or close distance, but that was always the case even when mesh shield was at its peak.

While you did not argue this, I would disagree with the notion that it is ‘fundamentally weak’, it could be extremely overpowered with its current mechanics from only stat tweaks, and it would still have its current strengths and weaknesses.

[jade pumice]

Do u guys think the finals are going to Add new weapons

[unkempt moss]

I think they said they're done adding guns.

In the last developer panel

[shell sonnet]

maybe gimmik weapons, but we really have enough stat swapped vanilla hitscan weapons

[unkempt moss]

I think medium needs another AR.

But that is all that's really needed to round it out.

Maybe another mid range high fire rate smg for light.

[shell sonnet]

apparently boyo is censored
so obviously when that happened my teammate instantly thought i was insulting him and started getting hostile in chat

thanks engimo message filter

[unkempt moss]

Assumed gender. Nice try bud

[shell sonnet]

oh no

how could i

i do wonder
what % of people defaults to male online when talking?

[unkempt moss]

Everyone is male online as far as im concerned.

Easiest way to conduct yourself.

[eager wasp]

male until proven guilty

[unkempt moss]

Judge them not by their immutable characteristics, but by their dogshit finals opinion.

[analog pewter]

the recurve bow feels a little weak but what do you guys think it needs if anything

[unkempt moss]

Make it a dragonslayer long bow, give it to heavy. Give light a crossbow with a magazine someone said before so they can have that

Knocks back and pins to walls for .75 seconds.

[analog pewter]

that is a different weapon

[unkempt moss]

Oh. Thats what I thought it needed.

Bow probably just needs a little server refresh.

[analog pewter]

my hot take is that its hitbox should be made slightly larger

[unkempt moss]

Yeah I think lights deserve it after the sword nerfs

[shell sonnet]

im a bit annoyed about 0 charge tap spamming
use the damn mechanics 😭

[unkempt moss]

They need that

I say make the bow projectile longer. revert sword and dagger nerfs. Revert the XP nerfs.

[analog pewter]

for me its more like
the only reason to use the bow over the sniper is that it's "accurate hipfire" and accurate while moving
but it has

1. a charge up time before you can deal full damage
   1a. even an uncharged shot takes time for a partial draw
2. projectile travel even at close range
3. worse bodyshot damage
   3a. lower DPS
4. a small enough projectile that it's not really any easier to land shots with
   bigger projectile would make it more forgiving than the sniper without upsetting any of its intentional weaknesses

[unkempt moss]

I agree with you, bud.

[analog pewter]

ok cool i just wanted to be a thinker and explain my reasoning like its fuckin math class

i think a slightly thicker projectile would be perfect

[unkempt moss]

Its the same reason they give things larger projectiles or hit boxes in other games.

[serene glade]

i feel like thicker projectile is just a band-aid fix for the uzbekistan outsourced servers. id like to see projectile weapons on actual servers tbh

[analog pewter]

i def dont want it to be super disgusting like the tf2 huntsman
but I love the fastball in titanfall and it's similar in its design principle, a very fast projectile that's only really good if you land direct hits
tho in this case you're also aiming for the head, which is just kinda iffy with projectile weapons

[unkempt moss]

The lights are the worst class in the game, so its one step to making them even slightly viable.

[analog pewter]

they're definitely not the best class

i think i could agree with worst. heavy is undisputed best and medium stays relevant mostly because of defib and jump pad

[unkempt moss]

Nah. Heavy is far and away the best. Its not even close.

[edgy estuary]

You wouldn’t think so with how many heavy mains on 1 sensitivity whinge about them.

[unkempt moss]

Hopefully they buff lights across the board tbh. Most played class, least buffed. Thanks embark.

[analog pewter]

lights are polarizing as fuck because of some of their weapons, they terrorize low to mid elo, so buffs to them should target things that even out their viability curve without making them too oppressive to newer players

like making their weaker weapons stronger, making their worse gadgets and specs better

[unkempt moss]

I feel like most new players go to light or medium.

[analog pewter]

i went to medium, I still consider myself a medium "main" but I play every class these days

[edgy estuary]

Would be nice to see stats on most played class

[unkempt moss]

They said light was the most played a few seasons ago.

Heavy was the least played, most winning. Light was the most played, least winning.

[analog pewter]

light is the most exciting to play in a vacuum, they tend to have the most agency vs worse players, so it's easy to gravitate toward them if your focus is just dueling and deathmatch

which means that they can teach bad strategy

[unkempt moss]

I cant stand playing light tbh. I play heavy exclusively and think light is the most boring in thebgame because of their primaries.

[analog pewter]

when I play light i almost exclusively use off-meta bc it's more fun to me. like my main loadout is recurve with grapple, sonar, thermal bore, and flex

[unkempt moss]

They're too down to earth for me. But thats my own opinion.

[analog pewter]

light feels the most like playing other FPS games like cod, and especially cult favorites like titanfall. their role is heavily centered around gun skill and their weapons tend to have more ammo and higher DPS. the strength of their weapons means they have a higher frag potential than medium, whose weapons are very not conducive to streaking. so if you play cod or titanfall a lot, light ends up being the most familiar.

heavy feels more like you're playing a hero shooter, where movement is constrained but abilities are way more potent and creative

but in finals fashion it's way more interesting to play heavy than most hero shooter characters bc of emergent mechanics

[sudden pewter]

Huntsman mentioned

[barren flume]

Medium having grenade launcher, thats ok. HEAVY WITH A GRENADE LAUNCHER IS TOO OP

[sudden pewter]

Words cannot describe the lovecraftian jank necessary for a system originating in 2004 to give projectiles headshots without making almost 1/3 of the bounding box(varying by class) a headshot redzone

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[barren flume]

What it’s true

[ebon pivot]

The grenade launcher is ass

[civic forum]

The heavy nade launcher is pos

[barren flume]

Uh

Well I don’t use it myself but if there is a grenade launcher it should be for medium because with heavy it’s just a little unfair

[sudden pewter]

We know you don’t use it. If you did, you’d realize it’s a skill issue.

[ebon pivot]

It’s so easy to kill a heavy with grenade launcher

[sudden pewter]

Heavies GL is probably its most niche weapon beyond melee weapons, and its efficacy for actually fighting is laughable

[barren flume]

Makes sense it is explosive

Srry

[sudden pewter]

If you died to it, to the point you’d go to the discord to complain, I’m 99% certain you had poor positioning and got clapped for it

Whenever possible abuse Highground, a GL Heavy can only shake their first at you

[barren flume]

I haven’t played in awhile actually, just checking the discord every now and then

[analog pewter]

oh ive seen the shounic video

[sudden pewter]

Same, genuinely horrifying

[analog pewter]

idk what do you think tho, would making the projectile thicker be a fair change for the recurve

[sudden pewter]

In exchange for?

[analog pewter]

nothing its kinda not great rn 😭

[analog pewter]

laid out my rationale here

[sudden pewter]

Idk as a Minigun connoisseur it’s the bane of my existence

Not sure I can talk to what the bow needs or could use until I use it more (the bow not the minigun)

[analog pewter]

it's fun to use and feels amazing when it works out, but IME it is just SO punishing for missing while the reward for landing shots feels only barely enough
definitely give it a try tho

[sudden pewter]

No different from the repeater in that regard?

[analog pewter]

i think the repeater feels very strong personally
i keep winning duels with it i feel like i should lose

im also a mingun user on heavy (alongside sledge) and I'd take that matchup being worse for the bow being generally more reliable and viable

[analog pewter]

in general I'd say that the bow feels like it loses harder than the sniper in situations where both struggle, while the situations it's better in are seldom felt. and the sniper is already on its own not amazing in the current meta (and shouldn't be), but the bow has enough drawbacks that it feels like it could be the "better designed" sniper and would be more healthy for the meta than sniper if it were a better weapon

cant tell you how many headshots I've missed and looked at my clip and it was like a 2cm near-miss that happened because the opponent turned slightly

[sudden pewter]

Not sure I like the idea of making headshots for the bow easier as it’s an OHK on other lights (capable of catching other lights since the other two archetypes generally don’t have the same mobility)

[analog pewter]

worth keeping in mind that while its a OHKO, if you count the draw time in the TTK it's slower than many other weapons

[sudden pewter]

That’s fair, but Light has access to Dash, and can draw safely behind cover and peak-shot

[unkempt moss]

The alley cats are out tonight in wepsNgadg. Getting adversarial in here. I love it.

[sudden pewter]

I stand for our MGL KANGS

70% of the time they’re completely useless so we gotta fight for that 30%

[unkempt moss]

So based. Someday they apply my rework and the game will be fully redeemed.

[sudden pewter]

Real, we need our orbital laser killstreak ✊🏽 ✊🏾 ✊🏿

[analog pewter]

MAN either dont outline the fucking back items or give them hitboxes because im tired of not being able to tell if the red outline is a fucking head or a wing it makes aiming at these motherfuckers SO MUCH HARDER

[unkempt moss]

I think a mortar could be fun if you had to manually aim it.

[analog pewter]

I'd say even still recurve gets countered by other light players so making it easier to headshot them wouldnt be a big deal

[sudden pewter]

Can’t agree or disagree 🤷‍♂️

[edgy estuary]

Bow has definitely suffered from the healing meta

[analog pewter]

you just put in so much work for so little

[frank lintel]

I just started using Lewis idk how good that thing is

[serene glade]

thats awesome buddy

[frank lintel]

Thanks 😃

[edgy estuary]

i’m not sure how you could change bow without breaking it, maybe some sort of multishot, where each arrow does a bit less or a special arrow you can switch to that is fire, gas, glitch.

[frank lintel]

If u shoot it thru fire it should apply burn

[analog pewter]

just make the hitbox slightly thicker so it's more forgiving than the sniper, since the sniper is hitscan and doesn't have draw time and has a faster cycle rate than bow between fully charged shots

[edgy estuary]

Sniper benefits from crazy hipfire accuracy, I always end up playing it like a shotgun

[analog pewter]

that too

[serene glade]

thats actually sick. light bow carrying gas and pyro nades for applying status with bow.

get this guy on the balance team, more ideas than embark has come out with in like 4 seasons

[analog pewter]

bow just has to do the absolute most and isn't really any more flexible than the sniper while being punished harder for failure

[unkempt moss]

Thats always a good sign of a healthy sniper.

[edgy estuary]

Yeah it needs some love, particularly after the additional healing sources

[edgy estuary]

Right? I too was surprised how effective it is

[shell sonnet]

🥲

[unkempt moss]

It'll get fixed in my rework. Dont worry.

[edgy estuary]

They won’t touch sniper, it is not used enough beyond powershift

[unkempt moss]

People will love it when GooKing's Official Patch hits. Trust me.

[shell sonnet]

how many goo buffs?

[edgy estuary]

Goo gun 40 shots

And each goo is heavy sized

[unkempt moss]

I have Goo buffs in there, dont worry.

[edgy estuary]

And non-flammable

[unkempt moss]

More like quality of life changes. Not buffs.

[edgy estuary]

Ik i’m just being silly

[analog pewter]

they need a ban system for WT modes so I can choose to never fucking see V9S ever again

I have never in my mind been so blood-boilingly fucking furious than trying to fight two to three fucking V9S lights in ONE FUCKING QUICK CASH MATCH

i swear to FUCKING GOD man I could not stay alive for 13 fucking seconds without seeing BOTH OF THEM AT ONCE ON DIFFERENT TEAMS FOCUSING ME

I am never queueing for quick cash again, I can see clearly that my MMR is designed to violate every pore in my body, I might actually fucking break down if I have to endure another drawn out match like that ever again

what a fucking horribly designed mode, i can see why head2head was so popular.

[shell sonnet]

gladly welcoming you on our side :)

[unkempt moss]

Just play heavy

[shell sonnet]

heavy is not safe

[unkempt moss]

Heavy is The Finals.

[compact tundra]

@sudden pewter @muted condor

I FUCKING DID IT WITH THE DAMN CERBERUS

[sudden pewter]

What the fuck did I just watch

[compact tundra]

Idk but it worked

[shell sonnet]

[obligatory "make fire dot stop healing" comment]

[solemn badge]

I wish they would add close range direct hit explosion in players for the MGL. Just a gimmick where 0-5 meters where if the grenade lands directly on an opponent it would explode instead of bouncing. Just to at least make it so I’m not completely useless at close range engagements. And I think it’s balanced out by the fact that I will take damage cuz the explosion radius will damage me, so it still punishes bad positioning but still gives a chance to fight back

[vestal turtle]

then it just becomes the cl-40

[solemn badge]

Nope not really. For one the grenade will still bounce when out of that range or when you miss. Unlike the CL40 where it explodes no matter what it hits on contact, this mechanic is only activated on direct hits to an enemy player in 0-5 meter range. It’s just a small mechanic that will give an MGL player the chance to fight back in close range where most engagements happen. I’m not saying to take away the bouncing.

Plus like I stated earlier it will also be balanced by the fact it still punishes the MGL user too by having the blast damage them too

Just my 2 cents tho

[unkempt moss]

Better get a refund lmayo

[analog pewter]

just make the MGL deal direct hit damage on projectiles that bounce off opponents. they still bounce, but they deal impact damage

[shell sonnet]

Probably easier to understand/harder to fuck up anyways

Please, i dont want mediums to survive on 1 hp after 3 directs 😭

[copper hazel]

You forgetting that bow is 100% consistent in close range fights in compare to sr-84 and having alternative charging time actually can save you way more times than you think
Bodyshot damage on bow is 124 while on sniper is 118????
+Bow and sniper both don't rely on dps quite literally (cuz technically both of their dps is ass)
Projectile has a bigger hitbox than pretty much any other projectile in this game, and it's actually noticeable in the game (and that's why you can't shoot through bars sometimes - arrow just getting stuck in it)

[analog pewter]

idk man that sniper might as well be a shotgun with that hipfire, and every time I use it I hit some disgusting close range scoped headshots. bow does not at all feel stronger in close range when it can easily miss even in close range due to projectile travel time, where the sniper is hitscan up to what, 40 meters?
i just don't agree with this assessment at all

[copper hazel]

Luck =/= counter

Auto rifles can be shotguns as well, given enough luck to land all shots while hipfiring

[analog pewter]

when light has every means to close distance on whoever he chooses and the spread is that tight, it's entirely viable and i see people use it all the fucking time in hipfire lol

it's practically reliable at close range

[copper hazel]

And to be fair if you're missing projectile in cqc - it's not issue with bow (exception if shot didn't reg, but it's still just a game's overall issue)

Even tho sniper works up to 40-50m most effectively, bfr and repeater just beating it without any issue with way lower requirements to kill light than light to kill heavy/med

[analog pewter]

bow is straight up harder to land shots in close range with than most weapons lol idk man
those same weapons fuck UP the bow too

[copper hazel]

Which was the last nail into my grave of a sniper main and now I'm playing bow only

If it's harder it doesn't mean it's worse

[analog pewter]

it does when it's also worse at long range

[copper hazel]

Yes it requires different approach and skills, that's why almost no one mains it

[copper hazel]

Not every weapon is supposed to be both good at all ranges (i guess exceptions are bfr and repeater for unknown reasons for embark)

[analog pewter]

yea but the bow struggles at basically every range, idk man

it peaks high but it has a way harder time reaching any peaks

[copper hazel]

You are struggling at any range, not bow

[analog pewter]

say the same about you with the hitscan sniper.

[copper hazel]

Jokes on you I mained both weapons same amount of time (sniper lvl 10.5 and bow near lvl 11)
I know my words

[analog pewter]

idrc
sounds like you're getting aim diffed by sniper

[copper hazel]

yeah, i wonder why no one using sniper on diamond lobbies...

It's surely just me and I'm bad and I'm getting diffed an

[analog pewter]

yes

[copper hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525991695918301244/1432060484063985766/Editor.gif

[unkempt moss]

I play sniper in ruby no problem tbh

[analog pewter]

remove the BFR from the fucking game already

hmmmm yes lets add the game ruiner to our game

[unkempt moss]

BFR is pretty fun tbh

[sudden pewter]

It’s definitely fun

[muted condor]

No fucking way, that’s awesome

[copper hazel]

It feels like you're getting diffed by bfr

[left ravine]

my game crashed and i go back in it and my settings r reset, is there a way to fix this

i made them in season 3 i don’t remember them or the video i used

[serene glade]

You know the sniper comment got to him because he came back an hour later looking for something to keep this shit going

[analog pewter]

i am i just wanna play light 😭

[copper hazel]

This is quite literally main reason why i don't use sniper now

🦦

[unkempt moss]

Just play heavy. The KS is more satisfying than the sniper.

If you need the feedback of tapping heads then just play Titan

[analog pewter]

im tryin to use the bow not the sniper 😭

[unkempt moss]

KS then. Projectile, looks cooler, sounds cooler.

[sudden pewter]

EMBARK
ECLIPSE SHADE KS23 AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[copper hazel]

Stop the cap

!!

[unkempt moss]

No cap. KS is a weapon for true finals enjoyers.

[hybrid fable]

Why I can't find a lobby like this

[plucky spade]

Well now you can't get winched out of your mesh the fuck

[short lynx]

and it has 100 more hp for the specializtion

[little lake]

I have a question: if I have a suggestion for a weapon, should I post it here?

[short lynx]

why not

[little lake]

BMG-50

Weapon For Heavy
Body Damage 95
Head Damage 150
Precision. Control. Finality.

Designed for players who end fights before they begin.
This streamlined sniper rifle strips away unnecessary equipment to focus on what matters: pure accuracy and decisive power. No scope. No support. Just steady hands, sharp instincts, and a single shot that can decide the entire game.

In THE FINALS, true victory comes from confidence, positioning, and perfect timing—not from hiding behind equipment. This weapon favors participants who trust their aim and remain deadly calm under pressure.

One shot. One moment. One final.

i have a picutre but i can send it in x.x

[short lynx]

50 CAl?

[unkempt moss]

You're going to summon him. He will post the same photo.

[little lake]

ye

but you got Only one Bullet in mag so you ned relode all time wen you shot one time

[little lake]

huh ?

[unkempt moss]

The greeners. They flock here when someone says to give heavy a Sniper.

Always talm bout some bs

[little lake]

It was just a suggestion. 😞

[unkempt moss]

Hey Im with you. But they will come and tell you how you're the problem with the game

Its insane

[little lake]

Well, I have so many cool weapon ideas, but if I just send them in, I'll end up sending things in all day long.

but ik waht do you mean

[unkempt moss]

That's what this is for

People are on a different level here with write ups and stuff.

The basic flow chart here is someone post an idea, the greeners swarm it and tell you its a bad idea. And the cycle begins anew

[little lake]

You can say what you want, but Heavy never really got a hype weapon, so there has never been a weapon that really caught on with Heavy, apart from the Shak-50, but even that got boring after a week.

[little lake]

ye :C

[unkempt moss]

I guess. Im of the opposite opinion and think the heavy is the only class with fun weapons in the game outside of one or two.

But posting weapon ideas is better than when people come in and ask what meta loadout they should run. At least theres something to discuss

[short lynx]

yeah

[little lake]

Yes, that's true, but I mean, everyone can do something on Range except the Heavy. So the M60 isn't that good, and neither is the Lewis gun, so it would just be fun to have a sniper like that because I love the revolver on Heavy and I only play that, or almost only that.

[little lake]

Hahaha

[unkempt moss]

The main consensus for a lot of people is the heavy shouldn't have range. The BFR is bootyblasting all non-heavy players right now so something even longer range will send them in to orbit.

Also convincing them it will do more than 149 damage with a headshot is another problem.

[little lake]

No, no, she should only hit the L on the head. Otherwise, she'll only have 95 damage. That will continue to decrease, just like with the revolver. You know what I mean?

[little lake]

hm agree again

[unkempt moss]

The 149 damage breakpoint is pretty hard set for anything that isnt the light class.

[little lake]

bruh xD

i change it on 150 xD in my text

[unkempt moss]

150 damage to the head and quick melee + anything equaling 150 is a no no.

Good luck out there.

[little lake]

ty u 2 😄

[river relic]

the damage from the V9S is fine but the range is not. I have no issue with it having better range than before, but im getting sniped with it from 60+ meters away (sometimes 100+); it blatantly enroachs on the LH1's territory.

[indigo nexus]

Its whole thing has always been being weak at close-mid range but being strong everywhere else

[placid slate]

How, shits does half the damage the lh1 does at range, less even with headshots

[outer crow]

40 damage per bullet from small pistol is not normal lol

[indigo nexus]

The other pistols do 24, 74 and 90 damage

I think it is a bit funny to declare any number “not normal” given this

[spiral minnow]

When do you think they’re gonna add new weapons? Personally I think medium needs more weapons.

[wispy cairn]

remove sword camlock. Genuinely stupid and buggy

[outer crow]

nevermind - forgot about deagle and revolver

[mystic mirage]

v9s aint need a nerf tbh

[spiral minnow]

Oh also, I would say Nerf the blade for light class I once held a point for an entire minute against the team of three

[indigo nexus]

Next season

[indigo nexus]

The blade as in… sword, dagger? Throwing knives?

[spiral minnow]

But other than that, I think the mini gun needs a buff for it to actually be usable especially that wind up time that is atrocious my friend did it and he was on half hp and (yes the sword) The other team still managed to kill him like a three second wind up time for the damage you’re gonna do is not really worth it in my opinion.

[slow linden]

M2browning 50 cal machinegun for heavy?

[indigo nexus]

I think the minigun is in a good place, it’s not meta but at any other level it does well

If you’re engaging people without having it already wound up then you have not played it well

[spiral minnow]

You’re right, but I’m saying a wind up time that long just for me at least doesn’t really do justice. I know it’s gonna be a fire hose of ammunition, but three seconds is just excessive like maybe bump it down to two and it would be a lot better plus half of the time they’re just gonna run in a different room because it’s super inaccurate at that too and the structure damage isn’t the best at least while I’ve tried it.

[outer crow]

it should be added

like one from crysis 2

[indigo nexus]

It’s 1.6 seconds

It’s there to counteract having the best dps in the game with a mag that can easily wipe a whole team

[outer crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhse5NkQrwU

[indigo nexus]

Main weakness of the minigun is its weakness to burst damage (needs decent teamplay to work), and to some extent its limited range

[spiral minnow]

I’m thinking it would be stationed around the map so for example you have a heavy class camping somewhere you could use it to like damage them a lot but after a while, it would overheat and be temporarily useless that way it wouldn’t be too broken and also you would need to fire burst rounds for example, if you’re fighting a light or something that way, it would be more accurate but not insane bloom, but the possibility there to snipe with it would be nice

[outer crow]

very situational dependent gun

[outer crow]

buildings collapse - it will be useless!

• finals is very dynamic game

[short lynx]

That’d be funny but impossible to balance

[spiral minnow]

The whole point of it is to stop people from camping so I think actually having it destructible would be good

[slow linden]

It really wouldn't be,slow chunky automatic with high damage

[spiral minnow]

But it would definitely need a cool down and be inaccurate at those longer ranges

[outer crow]

possible

u can look at a video i dropped above

i also wish they add echoes for guns firing and more realistic sounds

[indigo nexus]

A gun that feels like that could be cool

though it looks functionally about identical to the minigun

[outer crow]

less firerate but more damage per bullet

[outer crow]

🙏

[indigo nexus]

That changes almost nothing about the gun’s actual mechanics unless the firerate becomes quite low

But maybe it could be specialised differently in another way

Consider also; accurate, but its accuracy decreases the longer you fire it for and it soon becomes worse than the minigun in this regard. That property along with a somewhat lower dps could perhaps justify the exclusion of a windup mechanic

[outer crow]

just for variaty

[river relic]

doesn't matter, the lack of the same recoil makes up, you can be much more consistent with it at greater ranges than the LH1

[slow linden]

Clunky big gun does not equal minigun

Side grade? Sure. Identical? No

[river relic]

surely we should be asking for the spear to have throwable projectiles first :|

[short lynx]

(Off topic)On the note of .50 Cals a precision .50 cal rifle like a precise RPG would be pretty cool as a gadget. Like a AR lower and a .50 cal upper if y’all know what I’m talking about

[slow linden]

It'd be neat but unbalanced I am honestly sick of poke weapons

[river relic]

it wouldnt need much range, no more than 15-20 meters but with drop aswell, its just so that the slowest classes melee weapon is abit more useful. I too am rather sick of poke weapons. I prefer tracking weapons and they just cant compete with a poke weapon user who spends a tenth of the time in view for you to shoot

[river relic]

now were talking

[near scroll]

it's strange how nerfing the previous n°1 light gun (93r) and giving micro-buffs to an already viable weapon (v9s) made it become the n°1 light gun 🤔
almost as if the v9s was balanced and we should've simply been nerfing the overperformers! 🤯

[placid slate]

It was completely overshadowed by the m11, was irrelevant

And I don't think gutting the m11 just to make the 2 not overlap 1:1 is a good idea

[near scroll]

well both weapons have extremely similar identites (sustain dmg close range brawling weapon) so unless you rework one of the two they will always be in competition

and m11 has been overperforming for enough seasons now that i think it deserves nerfs. not being gutted mind, just nerfs, probably range nerfs and maybe reload speed to separate it from V9S

[placid slate]

We would've seen an m11 meta if it was an actual issue

[near scroll]

we weren't seeing one because 93r was so blatantly broken there was no reason to pick anything else

now that it's nerfed, m11 and arn are gonna become the two most picked light guns i reckon

[placid slate]

2, implying that it's not so overperforming that it's the only weapon used

[near scroll]

it's not the only weapon within it's niche (close range sustain brawl, others bein V9S, matter, throwing knives, arguably double barrel) yet is the most picked, is it not overperforming?

guns in this game are supposed to have strengths and weaknesses, there should never be a gun that's always picked at no risk

[placid slate]

Not to mention that v9s issue also partly stems from embark giving fuckall changes for light weapons last patch, and haven't added a new light weapon since season 6

[plucky spade]

How's the v9s nerf looking

[near scroll]

nothing burger

[plucky spade]

Lmao

[placid slate]

More bullets to kill at max drop-off, which was all the complaints

[plucky spade]

I mean the buff was a nothing burger as well

[placid slate]

Heavies die slower overall

[near scroll]

buff was stupid cause it hurt its identity, and seeing as its pickrate skyrocketed after the buff, even in pro play i don't think it was quite a nothing burger. (admittedly i too thought it was a nothing burger originally)

[placid slate]

People kinda jumped at the weapon partly due to it being one of the few actual interesting changes from the 2 months in waiting patch

[plucky spade]

Nah it's just new thing buffed and old thing nerfed type of deal, v9s still poopie beyond 20m

[placid slate]

M11 with arthritis isn't an identity

[placid slate]

Like realistically majors mfs would've been creaming their pants if the v9s was actually a 50m killing machine this entire time like some claim

[near scroll]

that's what the identity was before, i didn't say it was a good one but that's what it was, a competitor to m11, now it's a jack of all trades like XP except its significantly better than it

[placid slate]

Unlike previous, it doesn't 1:1 overlap with the xps falloff range, it's ends where the xps starts

[near scroll]

yeah, however V9S is better before fall off, and better after max fall off now, so you're playing XP to be mildly better in a 7m range. WOW

[placid slate]

7m seems to be very important considering how obsessed mfs are over the v9s buff

Acting like its all of a sudden making it shoot from 60m away

[near scroll]

usually you'd trade long range to be better at close range, not trade close range and long range to be mildly better from 22 to 30 meters

[placid slate]

I didn't know those were the only 2 balance factors in the game

[near scroll]

on bodyshots, V9S now has as much DPS and dmg per mag as LH1 on max fall off

[placid slate]

Considering the SR gets neither benfits

[near scroll]

do mind LH1 has significantly longer fall off ranges, but still, the values are kinda nuts

[near scroll]

oh my god whatever dude you're insufferable to talk to, i've even said this before, idk why i bother

[placid slate]

Bro you don't need to make shit up, I don't even need to say how 28 damage bullets with 20 in the mag is best out by 44 damage bullets at 15 in the mag

[near scroll]

learn to read, respectfully

[placid slate]

Didn't know we were discussing a realistic scenario where the lh1 for some reason is having a 1v1 with a v9s halfway across the map

[plucky spade]

The community at large is insufferable like you guys, you made a nothing burger buff into the second coming of pike

[plucky spade]

"learn to read" good shit my guy

[sonic zephyr]

I would‘ve preferred had they just reverted the buff of the v9 instead of nerfing the damage

Like why do they insist on keeping its ranged capabilities?

[indigo nexus]

Same.

All this achieves is making the weapon less unique, it’s more like an AR now

[near scroll]

i never said the buff was too much, i just said it was a dumb idea to micro-buff an already viable weapon and that we should be nerfing overperformers instead

[near scroll]

so i'm the bad guy here cuz i got fed up with urchin being condescending to me?

[plucky spade]

All they did was make it a bit not shit after 10 meters

Anyways it will still get no diffed by an lh1 after 20

And an xp will be easier to use than a v9s at the 15m ranges

[indigo nexus]

Well that’s the problem, the weapon’s range profile gave it uniqueness

[indigo nexus]

Definite disagree on that front. It kills slower, and has a hugely less forgiving mag

[plucky spade]

I will agree it did not need a buff but you all are overreacting

[plucky spade]

Xp is automatic and carpal tunnel 9s is not

[indigo nexus]

I do not view this as an important factor

conversely XP has actual recoil while the V9S does not

[hardy dust]

They're both stupidly easy to control

[plucky spade]

Yeah but only one can tire your finger

[near scroll]

not really, it overlapped 1:1 with m11. they both competed in the close range sustain dps brawler category

[hardy dust]

Xp also kinda just sucks rn so it just loses to most things outside from like a 7m gap in midrange

[slow linden]

Defib chaining is so fucking annoying,like yeah these guys are ass but it's literally impossible to wipe them

[near scroll]

could we give xp 18dmg per shot back while taking away the 4 bullets of the 34 mag size? range nerfs should stay tho

less dmg per mag but higher dps, rewards one clipping people cuz slow reload

[hardy dust]

17 dmg and lower rof

[near scroll]

oh yeah 850rpm instead of 860 too