💣┇weapons-gadgets

[runic thunder]

you just have to move the box first then it procs ( i keep fat fingering)

[opal crow]

If you demat below and land cashout on the launchpad its pretty funny

I’ve stalled wins a couple times doing that it’s really dumb but I mean it works lol

[serene glade]

I miss the play making of dematting the cash out up a level

[runic thunder]

my go to is heal, prox scan, frag, defib

you can move well enough with map and movement engine knowledge

[unkempt moss]

Defib is the biggest problem in the game tbh.

[opal crow]

When I play medium which is rare I just go demat, whatever gun I wanna run, jump pad, defib, explosive mine. Not even a good setup really I just like dropping people on mines and stuff

[runic thunder]

how so?

[unkempt moss]

It’s the only mandatory gadget in the game. It devalues light as a class in its entirety, it overvalues the heavy. It takes a game about skill expression through takedowns and removes it.

[slender bear]

Mediums keep throwing down gas before defibbing to reset my respawn timer 😦

[opal crow]

Think a neat change for defib would be getting rid of the sickness but making it an auto res instead of an instant one. Like it would take the same amount of time a normal res takes after you defib someone but you could just trigger it and go do something else while it does its thing

[unkempt moss]

The punishment for death is not a thing to mediums, and it makes mediums the only triple stack efficient class.

[runic thunder]

i mean rpg is pretty mandatory

[unkempt moss]

I don’t get flamed by randoms for not taking RPG.

[runic thunder]

but i agree that more than 2 mediums one one team makes defib completely opressive\

[unkempt moss]

Defib is and will continue to be a crutch for medium players until it’s removed.

[opal crow]

It’ll never get removed but I mean I’m sure there’s ways to alter it

[runic thunder]

im usually the only medium in my stack so i've never been on the doing end of stacking defib but i hate playing against it

[opal crow]

It seems like a super hard gadget to balance though

[serene glade]

I don't think it needs to exist

[runic thunder]

i think it would be cool if only one Med per team gets to use the defib

[unkempt moss]

The light as a class is way overtuned because they need to be able to get a kill, survive with only 150 health, kill the defiber before he does. Then if not, win the fight before the defib goes off against, then win again against the invincible person he just killed. And thats hoping a third person doesn’t show up.

[runic thunder]

they removed post rez immunity

[opal crow]

Doesn’t the sickness prevent stacking

Or well I guess it doesn’t have to be instant to still be a problem

[unkempt moss]

When? Because I just saw someone posting there’s a bug extending the period past it’s setting like two days ago.

[slender bear]

It would be cool if they added an prompt to cancel a defib on the recipient's end so you don't get rez'd in gas clouds by trolls.

[runic thunder]

like halfway though last season

[oblique crypt]

Is there really any reason not to get revived though?

[runic thunder]

but if there's a bug that makes it still work than im not suprised

[storm wind]

Are you actually complaining about defib lol

[runic thunder]

there was a bug where some games the heal beam would just straight up not work for like 3 seasons

[unkempt moss]

No, I’m painting my toes.

[slender bear]

Medium trolls will throw down gas so they can defib inside. It leaves you in a gas cloud with 70 health, killing you again and forcing you to wait another 30 seconds to actually respawn.

[runic thunder]

that just sounds like a teammate issue\

[slender bear]

The solo q experience ):

[runic thunder]

just q with people from the server and or irl bros thats what i do

i had to beg my friends to play the game and now we have a clan of like 8 people and i rarely play without at least one person

or talk in gc with your teammates and if they're good ask if they wanna keep playing

[opal crow]

My friends and I recently started getting back into the game, like I’ve been playing sporadically for a while but I’m actually playing pretty consistently now. Wonder when that’ll end lol

[runic thunder]

prob when one of their playstyles gets nerfed into the dirt, had a buddy quit when they removed tazer

[opal crow]

Nah finals has just never been our main game. Mostly do hero shooters and final fantasy 14

[serene glade]

That's always the response "herrr derrrr no way you complain about da defib, you must be da scrub. No I will not supply any counter argument or anything hahaha you must be low Elo. Why do I like defib???? Because when I die I don't like being on death screen, it wasn't my fault. Excuse me I need to go wipe I just shitted myself hahaha classic defib user"

[runic thunder]

damn dude did a defib smash ur gf or something?

[opal crow]

I played a decent chunk of finals in the beta and then season 1, dropped it and came back like season 3, and then I came back like season 5 and didn’t play much then either

[serene glade]

Just contribute to the conversation rather than being a piece of shit idk

[runic thunder]

ive been playing pretty much the whole time since beta only took a break during s4 bc i had to lock in on school

[opal crow]

Fair

[slender bear]

This guy has been talking shit about everyone for no reason for as long as I have been on the server. I'm pretty sure he's just a troll, even if the other guy was wrong.

[opal crow]

Groups been most consistently playing rivals since it came out, but I like to have a good selection of shooters/various other games to mess around on

[runic thunder]

who me??

[opal crow]

Nah they mean the other guy

[slender bear]

No I mean googs

[storm wind]

dudes just droolin on himself cause of my comment

[runic thunder]

okay nvm, i have been a warrior in the death of the light class since i started tho so i can see how it could be me

[serene glade]

Brother got dunked on because he has a room temp iq and can't develop anything of meaning to anything

[opal crow]

🕺 dancing guy emoji

[runic thunder]

i think a good defib nerf could be if you kill the med before the rez fully gets off it cancels

[slender bear]

I've also slowly been devolving into a light fanatic since the sword nerf, you're all good.

[opal crow]

I think that’d be good yeah

I really like my idea with the whole auto res instead of instant res thing but I wanna see other people’s thoughts on it

[runic thunder]

i think it should spawn you with 25% health too

that way you dont have defib apes diving in and rezzing someone and than they run away

[opal crow]

Nah I mean you should have a chance to fight back or escape I think if it gets off proper

[grand turtle]

Might as well make it explode in the mediums hands at that point

[runic thunder]

i think defib should be used more as a quick rez when you get their statue to a safe place rather than rezzing them instantly in the middle of a fight

[slender bear]

As long as the receiver can stop their own defib, I wouldn't have a problem with defib sickness leaving people on 10% of their health.

[opal crow]

I think they should make the defib res a dead by daylight generator fixing type mini game where if you don’t get it perfect you explode your ally’s totem and it deals 300 damage to you

[slender bear]

Getting defibbed knowing you're about to die instantly sucks

[storm wind]

anyone else really like the tracking dart? I only use it so people have to hear the annoying ass sound

[runic thunder]

i've never played a class other than med so idek

i only swap when im forced to for challenges

[serene glade]

Tracking dart feels stronger than sonar on maps like kyoto, but other than that it's just a worse sonar grenade

[opal crow]

Tried using it for that new gimmicky sword combo to kill lights but I need more practice, it’s neat but I’ve taken a liking to gateway and haven’t taken that off my gadget list

[runic thunder]

nerf defib and give meds sonar nade back?

[slender bear]

I would trade sonar nades for either of the movement items on medium. It would be nice for light to actually have the best movement in the game again.

[opal crow]

Nah jump pads are awesome I love using them as light with sword dash you go fuckin flying

Mediums movement isn’t just for themself which I think balances out having crazy good tools

Teammates and enemies can use it too lol, I use enemy jump pads a lot whenever I see them

I don’t really see the reason why anyone would use ziplines over jump pads though but I don’t play enough medium

[slender bear]

Jump pad has so many synergies with light, It would be cool to be able to throw them down yourself. Light is supposed to be all about movement, but a medium can still go further with jump pad and zipline than a light can with grapple and gateway.

[rough spire]

No this spec will have more verticality and distance, and is more for movement; tougher to use during fights to oppress opponents.

I mean a jump that takes you to the 2nd or 3rd floor, gliding so basically floating for a set period of time, and a fast drop that can take you from roof to ground in less than half a second.

[shadow onyx]

SCAR is goated imho

[slender bear]

Sounds awesome, but that still turns into an evasive dash with slightly more vertical movement (evasive can already take you up 2 floors if you use 2 charges). The glide would just be dashing across the air but slower and without losing height, and drop would be interesting but situational. It sounds fun, but it would steal evasive dashes whole thing if it let you have any horizontal movement. Floating in place could be interesting on sniper loadouts, though.

[unkempt moss]

I’ve felt like defib should just be removed for mediums to get a faster revive passive. That way they can keep their skins, but there is some sort of repercussion for a teammate dying. Fits the “support” role. Biggest thing is they no longer have a mandatory gadget slot and we can see more variation in the load out.

This would also fix this problem you’re having with the weird meds making spawn times longer or whatever it is.

Really, if the light is going to have the faster heal passive I’d like to see all three classes get passives.

[rough spire]

The floating is the main mechanic i desire. It was basically a whole (underused) class in D2 that i really enjoyed. I just love flying and this gliding would be the main thing that separates it from dash.

It's a whole different playstyle / avenue of combat

[rough spire]

Heavy and medium also have healing passives, they just activate at different times. Nothing unique about light, all 3 have a different time it begins

[shell sonnet]

Imo heavy should regen later, but regen a lot faster

Vulnerable to chip damage, and with a big window to counter attack, but overall less waiting time for the player

[slender bear]

Would a self-targeted antigravity thing also work? The floating thing seems interesting, but it wouldn't be of much use for anything other than snipers. If you were able to hold the spec button to rise slowly through the air, with 2-3 seconds of staying in place (verticality wise) when you let go, it would function as more movement for general purposes, while also allowing you to float. It could be on a resource bar like cloaking device, taking 20-25% to activate, so just tapping the button would buy you 2 seconds of air time, and you could repeat 4 times. It would get too stall-y if it regened while you where already floating, so the bar could start to refill 1-2 seconds after you stop floating.

[narrow bane]

On the 93R
21 bullets is fine, the weapon is supposed to be punishing

What they should actually do is boost its actual stats; however, not in terms of increasing damage, that would make it very overpowered (+2 damage, +1 would do nothing)

What they should do instead is actually decrease the damage per bullet from 26 to 24, but also decrease the time between bursts (burst delay) from 0,275s to 0,21s.

You see, the main problem with this gun is that it is too oppressive versus lights (kills lights faster than an M11 at three times the range), but is is bad against mediums and heavies.

These changes to the 93R would have the following effect on TTK:
Body:
Light: 0,52s > 0,66s
Medium: 1,19s > 1,05s
Heavy: 1,64s >1,44s

Head:
Light: 0,40 > 0,39s
Medium: 0,79s > 0,66s
Heavy: 0,91s > 0,99s

(splitting message, too long)

You might notice that Light body TTK increases. But this isn't bad. Currently you can 2-Burst a Light class with body shots only. With these changes, that becomes 3 bursts.

However, you can achieve the same old light body TTK if 0,52s if you hit a single headshot in those 2-bursts.
This rewards skill and not skill-less 2 bursts to the body from 30m away.

Another acceptable trade-off for all the problems these changes would do is a very slight increase of Heavy Head TTK time, which is an acceptable compromise.

Overall, this would fix the core problems of the weapon and make the it more competitive (but also more punishing for shots missed, requiring more skill to use), and would be beneficial for all players of all different skill levels.
(Sorry for the yap)

[hardy dust]

sounds pretty good but i'd add an extra 3 bullets for the decreased total damage per mag

[narrow bane]

The weapon is supposed to be punishing.
In my opinion adding more bullets would incentivize more spamming from far away and less rationale in approaching gunfights. The 93R has good range so the decreased damage per mag sounds acceptable to me (and is also another justification for boosting its stats)

[hardy dust]

it already has a lower damage per mag than almost every other light weapon, reducing it by 2 damage per bullet would make it extremely punishing and have it unable to reap the benefits of the reduced burst delay

[unkempt moss]

Heavies start the latest I’m assuming

[hardy dust]

because they have the most health

[austere yarrow]

From the hip as welll as scoped. I even put a few different scopes on it and still seems to be wildly inaccurate. From long range and up close

[unkempt moss]

I just wanted to make sure I had it right. I know the heavies have the most health.

[rough spire]

Being in the air is a glass cannon mechanism in itself. It's like free high-ground, remember it was a whole class-choice in D2 so it has some use. You have high ground so more headshots for you less for them.

I used it as a surprise since it was underused my enemies don't usually look up and I'd have an advantage on them. Although in OW flying exposed you to more lines of fire.

If it was a slow ascent it would be really hard to use during combat; providing no escape (like the other 3 specs) which is necessary for Light. That's where the fastdrop comes into place to disengage while floating.

[slender bear]

I realized right after I typed it if it anti-grav cube lift speed it would suck (anti grav cube is meant to lift opponents into the air because they become easy targets). You're right, it should be at least twice as fast as anti grav so you aren't a sitting duck.

[final geyser]

Please buff spear! The hit registration is so so awful

[narrow bane]

Not that much really

It would only take 1 more shot to deal with each class.
Worst affected by this would be heavy headshot kills, which would take 1 more burst (takes 10 shots instead of 9; 4 bursts instead of 3; however, something positive about this is that you can utilize the 4th burst as a little bit of leeway. Ideally you kill a heavy with 10 headshots (4 bursts), killing in 0,99s; but with the 4th burst you can also have one of those bursts be a body burst, taking down the heavy with 12 shots, which is still 4 bursts, resulting in a TTK of 1,11s.

Same thing applies to headshotting mediums. You can have two of the bursts be body bursts, and it will still kill in 3 bursts if the remaining burst hits the head.

The 93R never was that good at dealing with multiple enemies. The proposed changes would bring damage per mag from 540 down to 504.
You would be able to deal with 3 lights; or 2 mediums + 1 light; or 1 heavy + 1 light.

^^ These are the same number of enemies you can currently deal with, having the current 540 damage per mag.

The 93R has quick reloads. Reload between engagements to maximize uptime and effectiveness.

i am done chief im going to sleep 😴

[gritty swallow]

Doesn't heavy thow Further?

[unkempt moss]

Yes

[cunning wyvern]

Make the heavy GL shoot sticky proximity bombs

[royal pier]

Do you stand by this? @spark igloo

[spark igloo]

bottom statement yes top statement no

minigun is best in slot rn

tbh it probably was before the buff too

[shadow onyx]

wait is minigun really that good

[weak kernel]

huge mag high DPS close range space control and now it has reach

[shadow onyx]

My friends and I were messing around with it and just assumed it was a troll pick but it's actually good

[royal pier]

I'm gonna say minigun is a fad. A MP5 light can toss a glitch nade at dome and beam down the minigun in the time it takes to spool up.

[shadow onyx]

yeah that's the only problem you require teammates to glaze you while your shit charges

[spark igloo]

thats why you dont walk around unspooled

like all great heavy weapons of the meta it's actually a suprisingly high skill weapon

you need good positioning, game sense, and team play to use it properly

[shadow onyx]

The slide jump spool tech is pretty strong with it

[spark igloo]

yeah its also really cool and interesting

too bad they've stated in the patch notes that they dont intend to keep it!

because it makes a sluggish weapon feel a million times more intuitive to play without making it feel unhealthy

[royal pier]

As if you always have the choice to pre spool.

[shadow onyx]

damn that kind of sucks. idk why they're always removing any kind of tech that makes the game so much more fun

[spark igloo]

you don't but thats just a downside to a very strong weapon

a downside which as you get better because less of an issue

[royal pier]

Can just take the ShAK-50 or M60 with fewer downsides.

[spark igloo]

at a base level yeah, but it has a skill curve and that's a good thing

[royal pier]

I don't disagree but I also don't think it's meta.

[spark igloo]

something more weapons in this game should have

[spark igloo]

at the level you play at maybe not

its like how sa12 wasnt super meta in lower levels

it's just a weapon with a fair skill curve

[shadow onyx]

what is the proper way to play sa because my stack has ass comms and I usually suck with it

[spark igloo]

use your medium as movement, use dome whenever possible in team fights, use winch to pull people into your team

unless you winch it's usually better to tap fire even if you lose some dps, just so you hit your shots better

there's mesh SA12 too but I have no experience playing it

[royal pier]

Dude pls.

[spark igloo]

thats not shade btw

[royal pier]

Only difference between ruby and gold is how cultishly you follow the current thought leader.

[spark igloo]

what

[royal pier]

Just because high ranks does something doesn't make it optimal.

[spark igloo]

it's 98/100 times more optimal than whatever gold is doing

[royal pier]

See: Light plug meta instead of just using two Mediums. One with Jump and zip, and one with one or the other.

[spark igloo]

people did this though?

light was also (and still is) meta for other reasons other than plug

anyways @royal pier I havent played in a while. I'm looking at the phl live rn and it's a pretty solid mix of m60, minigun, and sa12. Out of the 3 I am seeing more miniguns tho. If you want to see what the meta looks like this is probably where you'd see it in play the hardest https://www.twitch.tv/prohubstf

for the most part these teams are running some form of meta

[royal pier]

I legit think the minigun use is just people wanting something interesting.

[spark igloo]

if this were the case people would be on dual blades

[royal pier]

No? Minigun is at least effective at what it does.

[spark igloo]

im curious to hear your reasoning on this

[royal pier]

I feel like it's obvious?

Minigun might not be the best option, but it does some things very well.

Dual Blades are just kinda shit.

[spark igloo]

OH

I read "least effective at what it does" gg

but even then it IS the best option for a variety of situations

[royal pier]

But still less versatile. Which imo hurts it a lot.

Also I've been deleting people with Winch ShAK-50.

[spark igloo]

winch shak is alr

[royal pier]

Honestly the ttk feels better than old SA1216.

If nothing else because missing a single burst is death on the SA1216 and there's still the bug where the first shot will just no reg.

[shadow onyx]

Is akm worth using at all now

[restive plover]

It's the bottom tier of actually worthwhile weapons on medium before you get to the really bad stuff. You won't be throwing but there are so many better choices.

[shadow onyx]

What rank are you btw, (I need evidence to get my bro to fix his poverty ass build)

[restive plover]

You're out of luck I'm afraid. I'm unranked.

[leaden brook]

W

[mossy flax]

Ranked is not definitive of your skill

[void harbor]

I need CAD file for turret por favor anyone I wanna build one oer da summer

[zinc obsidian]

Skak-50 buff
+5 bullets Please that is all I am asking for

[spark igloo]

not really

it's outranged, dpsed, and harder to use than famas

[pearl anvil]

would you guys say the FCAR is worth using?

[shut bane]

Yes

[brittle yoke]

yo i do that professionally are you trying to make one that works or just print a model?

[hardy dust]

Its pretty average but super easy to use

Basically no recoil

[tender python]

Genuine question, are phantom strikes that strong? (Mainly talking about this from the perspective of pre-nerf sword) Yeah you could kill heavies kind of quicker with lunge -> phantom strike + lunge but you could just do the same thing with quick melees In between the lunges, And yeah you could one shot mediums but you would have to be directly on top of them and not have dealt any damage to them for it to be useful and that doesn't happen very often since you usually lunge towards them. Am I missing something?

Ig the main appeal would be not having to quick melee for kill thresholds so faster kill, but was that decrease in time to kill op

[hardy dust]

No

Prenerf they were a flex option 99% of the time (not using them would be better) and post nerf they are only decent in a niche scenario against mediums

Plus they're inconsistent since half the time the servers just wont let you do them

[tender python]

yea but there easy to turn back on if they break if you get a few seconds out of combat

[hardy dust]

The only real times they were useful is heavy kill (but using qms was way more consistent + no need to stay in their face, so basically only steals) and mediums if you didn't have a lunge ready

[hardy dust]

Its kinda random tho

[tender python]

fair

[hardy dust]

So you can't count on them to work when you need it

[tender python]

if they where consistent would they be broken?

[hardy dust]

Ehhh

Not broken, but a nice tool to have.

It's still only worth it for heavies stealing and mediums when you dont have a lunge ready

Ig you could use it against heavies more often, but you gotta be in their face the entire time vs 2x lunge + 2x qm which lets you be more mobile

And the ttk difference is so small it doesn't change too much

[tender python]

with mediums isnt the ttk faster than already having a lunge ready if your on top of them?

since the ttk is just the lung charge effectively

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but starting with a lunge is generally more consistent since you don't have to be so close

[tender python]

yea, is it just me or does the item swap phantom just not break, like ever

I dont think I have ever had it fail on me in actual combat that wasn't just user error

honestly funniest way to buff sword rn would be to leave the damage and bring back old b-hoping, im I wrong

[hardy dust]

I find item swap more consistent but still doesn't work sometimes

Its also the only way to phantom off of a qm iirc

[tender python]

iirc?

[hardy dust]

If I remember correctly

[tender python]

what do you mean of a qm? like right after a qm

because I think you can just do it after a qm

[hardy dust]

Yeah

You need to gadget swap otherwise it doesn't work

[tender python]

wait do you mean using a qm to phantom or having the qm be the phantom

[pearl anvil]

recpoil isnt an issue for me, what would you say is the best for medium?

[hardy dust]

Best is cerb. Stupidly good rn and very op.

Pike is also very strong

[pearl anvil]

okay

[tender python]

pike? I dont know much about medium but I have not heard good things about it (tbh I could have just been playing with a bad medium)

[hardy dust]

Pike is kinda hard to use (compared to the rest of medium's arsenal), but it's very good rn since it got buffed in s6

[tender python]

was it bad before the buff?

[hardy dust]

It was kinda meh, on the weaker side for sure

[tender python]

ok that makes sence then

[raw cave]

rework secondary attack for riot shield to secure kills on lights or medium, often they just run away like nothing ever happend. The secondary attack as it is, is just useless, it just moves hitbox in front of you. Add something obvious like shield bash from overwatch to prevent an attack, maybe slow down affected player and deal 5 damage like winch claw or lockbolt. The riot shield needs a rework

[tender python]

wait riot shield has an alt fire that isnt just holding out the shield?

sence when

[hardy dust]

They're suggesting a rework

[tender python]

oh the way they worded it made it sound like it already had a alt fire

[lavish swallow]

Really hoping for sword revert today 🙏

[placid slate]

They're more likely to double down then revert it today

[night sonnet]

yep, because they need to apease the reddit users

[slender bear]

Half of the player base doesn't know how to shoot at sword before it gets withing 3m of you somehow.

[weak kernel]

every now and then i think "maybe i'll check the finals reddit" and am instantly greeted with a weirdly smug "light is actually the strongest class and those so-called 'good players' are wrong" thread

[near scroll]

in my experience its bc the subreddit is filled with quick cash gamers, where light is arguably the best class

[night sonnet]

real

[night sonnet]

me whos forced to play quick cash because in oce

[near scroll]

that is pretty sad, strength be with you gamer

[night sonnet]

i spent 45 minutes in a que for wt (btw ive still never player wt)

[weak kernel]

light can be good in solo queue and in lower ELO because people have bad aim and that gives light a ton of freedom to do whatever with their good positioning and pick potential, and then you run into a medium/heavy team that are good at working together and controlling space and you crumple

[night sonnet]

light is the low skill floor high skill ceiling class of the finals

and very very few people can reach above the average skill of it in the first place

the other classes are both easeir and stronger in almost every way

and i dont think in a bad way except for a few stand outs. cough cough cerb

the other classes escpecialy medium are very good for team play

[weak kernel]

i genuinely don't mind light being a struggle class against good teams but every "this light weapon is unhealthy" discourse seems to inch closer and closer to "light needs to be reworked" and every idea for reworking them seems to be something along the lines of "make them diet medium"

like let the zippy high mobility rat class be the high mobility rat class lol it's fun and fits the game

[night sonnet]

light should be a mobility shooter style class.

and the other classes should obviously have things like glitch trap to counter it. there is no inherit balance issue with the structure of the classes currently, just make it so other classes can be used at high level other than medium. though idk how without drastic changes 🤷‍♂️

[slender bear]

Why does heavy get so much damage from their gadgets? I wish light had the option to drop 100 damage on anyone instantly.

Could you imagine if they gave rpg to light?

[serene umbra]

light already has gadgets that drop 100 damage on players, light getting an rpg would make light the only choice.

but I wouldn't complain if I got to use rpg on light in a limited time mode

[night sonnet]

frag 💀 thats it. also btw no light should not get 100 dmg gadgets its not part of the identity of the class

[serene umbra]

thats what I was saying. also frag isn't instant.

[night sonnet]

yea i know

use to have breach charge melee combo, but that does like 30 dmg now

does more self dmg i think 💀 (well feels like)

[serene umbra]

I think explosives have a multiplier for self damage. rpg does a max of 100 damage, but I feel like it does a consistent 150 damage to yourself if it blows up in your face.

[night sonnet]

yea

[ashen hawk]

yeah it does. so use it carefully or get urself killed kinda thing. same goes for cl40 and mgl32 im sure

[slender bear]

How light feels when it comes to any situation:

[gaunt finch]

What if the shak 50 could destroy walls with a full mag
It would make it more like the real shak 12 nd give it more utility

[restive plover]

We don't need even less reasons to take the ks23.

[normal acorn]

Reposting this cuz i like it all minigun players should run prox alarms

[opaque wing]

virtual extension fcar PLS!! 🥲

[void harbor]

Works for the silly

[shut kelp]

the fucking lockbolt is too op change my mind

[mossy flax]

You can just stand and fight

[opal crow]

It’s pretty good but necessary for the game. Heavy needs an option to shut down hyper mobile lights

[mossy flax]

Or carry glitch nades

[normal acorn]

No. Just shoot it

[sand monolith]

Class structure conceptually is good but execution on medium and light is fucking awful

[weak oriole]

Correct the inspection of the alien pistol, it is with standard inspection and there is no way to change it, since the name of the inspection is another, in this case a legendary, it has been with this problem since s1

[final geyser]

Please buff spear, or at least just fix its hit registration problem. I could make a montage of my spear fazing through enemies at this point.

[cyan steeple]

Fuck cerber and every toxiq weapons

Gg embark

[deep seal]

THROWING KNIVES NEED TO HAVE A FUCKING RELOAD MECHANIC! HOW IS SOMETHING WITH SUCH HIGH DPS NOT LIMITED LIKE EVERY OTHER GOD DAMN WEAPON

[raw cave]

i am more concerned about v9s having 20 rounds in a magasine, and basically no reload

[shut kelp]

But in the heat of battle with it having so much HP and being relatively small it’s hard to break easily

[shut kelp]

Yes but ugh

[civic mauve]

Multi-guns part 1 and 2 (light and medium respectively, working on heavy rn)

[normal acorn]

Its maybe kind of difficult for some weapons but if you have teammates caught with you it should probably break before you get in a gunfight. If you get caught alone and ur a light its just you either win the 1v1 or dash around the lockbolt radius until you break it or it ends. Its kind of difficult to land and the heavy still needs to peek out of cover to get you. If ur a light and you get caught by a lockbolt alone and die i dont think thats an op problem.

Its doing what its supposed to do

[shut kelp]

Yeah ok

[twin shuttle]

where is stun gun 😦

[rough marsh]

Goo-gum should get a rework. Goo-gun sounds really strong on paper, can stop steals, can build bridges and other things. But in-game you will rarely use all these techs, and other specs are pretty much better than goo-gun. My solution is turning goo gun into a gadget, giving it a rework, making magazine include 10 goos instead of 20, And Make it so that there are 10 magazines in stock, and if you spend one, and this one magazine will reload 10-15 seconds. Or give it a secondary fire, which will spawn a goo wall in a pride of the whole magazine.

[bleak copper]

what is the best loadout for heavy class

[shell sonnet]

imho, if you're rarely using tech you aren't doing it right
goo gun barely leaves my hands unless im actively trying to use something else

dont just wait for an obvious use case, go around thinking "how would throwing goo at my surroundings help me right now" then do that

[serene glade]

Goo gun is literally my primary most the time

[rough marsh]

Alright alright

I’ll give it another shot

I heard some guy said play with goo gun for straight days and you might get an idea how to use it properly

[unkempt moss]

Embark, under no circumstance should you listen to this. Please don’t ruin the best thing in the game.

[unkempt moss]

Come up with a fun secondary fire if anything. The primary function of the googun is perfect.

[gritty swallow]

Just tried Dash and I have no idea what am doing, anybody know something I should realy know about?

[vague verge]

It takes like 2 games to get the hang of it

[gritty swallow]

What I meant by just tried is that I tried it for a few games.Because am used to grapple I seem to run out of dashes at the worst moments

[vague verge]

shoot it

[unkempt moss]

Are you using it to engage? Or just during the fight and to disengage?

[unkempt moss]

What class do you use?

[shut kelp]

Medium and sometimes light

[unkempt moss]

Do you ever use reshaper?

You’ll never get lockbolted again. Beats barricades, dome and grenades if you’re fast. Antigrav. Turret. Mines. It’s pretty useful, but you lose out on a gadget slot to ruin others loadouts.

[opal crow]

I usually try to keep at least 1 dash free whenever I can, only really using all 3 in a burst if I need to cross a large gap or get to high ground. Or if I mess up and am about to fall to my death and need to save myself because of my own dumb mistake. Dash is pretty fun and versatile though, I use it at the start for just basic rollouts and map traversal, but mostly try to keep it for use in combat or use escaping combat. It’s not as good as grapple for taking immediate high ground but you can use dash to pull off some crazy jukes by dashing into building windows and out of them into other on different floors and blah blah. Lotta freedom of movement/expression with dash

I could talk about sword dash stuff if you want but regular dash is pretty good by itself too. Dashing into jump pads to get insane height and speed in whichever direction you want works well, you can’t dash directly up but can gain some height say like a 30-35 degree angle upwards

[shadow onyx]

in fights move side to side try to go around them and wherever they're not looking. Don't dash straight towards them. Don't shoot mid dash, it wastes bullets. Actually this is just a tip in general, if your crosshair isn't on the guy, un-ads, reacquire the target, and then continuing shooting that's how 90% of people I see die to lights and it will make you way more efficient with bullets

[worn smelt]

im so tired of xp5 meta, i love xp5 and even tho it hasnt been meta for the past 2 seasons its all i see lights use. i want to see the m11 nerf reverted, the v9s to get slight rpm and range buffs, the lh1 to get a rpm buff, the arn's switch mag to work better, the matter to get more skins (its has so few skins and most of them arent even that cool)

[south plinth]

literally all of these yes

[gritty swallow]

Am using matter with it so highground is less important for me

[final geyser]

I know a lot of people don't like melee weapons (ok understandable) but so many of them are in such a bad place right now. Not because the melee weapons are bad but just because of how dominant many of the other classes short ranged weapons are. Cerberus, Double Barrel, and Minigun are all guns that just out ttk every melee weapon easily against their counterparts in addition to being able to deal damage from range.

[gritty swallow]

Because am using matter would I Dash between every shot or is that overkill/ a waste of dashes?

[shadow onyx]

Depends if they're focusing you or not

[crimson epoch]

points

[radiant thicket]

They ruined the portal, the money box doesn't move by itself anymore, they ruined the gameplay lightly, they don't give a damn about the light, nerf after nerf, embark is making it fun only for medium and heavy players, while the light nerfs all the time, it's already tiring

[gritty swallow]

K thanks Will try dashing into blindspots like you said

[royal pier]

The Finals does not need more ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Shotguns, or DMRs.

I have consistently seen people suggesting new weapons in the aforementioned weapon categories. The reason I believe that we have more than enough of these kinds of weapons is fairly simple: they will inevitably either be better than the currently available options, resulting in power creep, or they will be like the ARN and inferior to available options.

Even if they do somehow miraculously nail the balance where everything is equal in power, it would not change the fact that there would be very little different or unique mechanically. That's understandable in games like Battlefield or CoD where they are basing their options on current or near future options, but this game is not constrained in that way.

The Finals is set in a VR game show. They can add basically any weapon concept, and it'll fit with the setting. A wizard staff that shoots lighting, bouncing disk launchers, throwing axes, the zero point energy manipulator from Half Life 2, they all would fit right in. Not only would they fit, they would offer completely unique mechanical challenges, instead of just mild differences in recoil, damage, and reload speed.

Ok, now is the time when you reply with some form of "I can't read more than one sentence" and pat yourself on the back for being a comedy genius.

[crimson epoch]

yo

[royal pier]

Side tangent, revert the Anti-grav Cube change. It was better before. It's far too large now.

[radiant orbit]

yo why does the pike have like no unique skins no additional animations and isn’t available to use with any of the s6 update sights? Did Embark forget it was in the game? It’s pretty well balanced at the moment and sees almost zero pickrate atm. I see the model more than I see the pike.

Frankly I’d be happy if it just got the longer range sights (adder and looking glass) with increased zoom to compensate for easier target acquisition. In fact why not just give it the Reflector sight the Famas LH1 and XP-54 have? That’s already got scope glint on the LH1 so that’d fit in perfectly.

[autumn star]

Grenade indicator definitely needs to be added to this game. I understand that you CAN see the grenade, but in the middle of a fight, nobody is going to actually see that shit. This is a videogame, dying to something you can't even avoid isn't fun.

[ivory jewel]

send this to embark support, and ask grenade indicator

[royal pier]

At the very least, add an outline to it.

[mild pond]

wish they would add more weapons 😦

[tranquil rose]

They can have more ARs, SMGs, Shotguns etc etc as long as there's an actual useful gimmick about it. Cerberus and Shak are perfect example

In this season minigun was a complete hit, ARN was a garbage decision and repeater is just straight up better revolver T:

[royal pier]

Cerberus isn't a great example since the burn is mostly used to one shot Light more than anything.

If they had made the burn the main source of damage in addition to hitting everyone in the cone if fire, I'd be more interested.

[restive plover]

Personally I think most of the wackiness should come from gadgets, which is just another reason why they need to start adding way more.

[royal pier]

I was expecting Medium Flamethrower, got 1887 2.

[clever sleet]

BRING BACK SWORD!

[tranquil rose]

But it isn't a gun concept problem, is a numeric one

[shadow onyx]

fr they just stopped adding gadgets and specs

[royal pier]

I mean for me it is a conceptual issue. I wanted the burn to be the primary mechanic.

[slender bear]

Hear me out, when they do a medieval themed map, they add a full set of knight armor with a matching greatsword skin for sledge. Sledgehammer also gets a great bow with longer charge times and more damage than the Recurve Bow. Light gets a flail, which would be the first weapon on light with decent environmental destruction. For the alt fire, the end of the flail could be affected by gravity and momentum during the alt, allowing for high damage (not quite one shotting light though) at the cost of high end lag and difficult aim/planning (you have to figure out the end is going to move). Medium could get a lance, which could be used while sprinting, and would have knock back and damage based on how fast you are going, but would also not one shot light. It would have slight multi hit on the alt (where you just hold it up) but the hitbox would only be active again half a second after you hit an enemy, ensuring there are no sword 2.0 shenanigans or instakills on light. Also because I really want it, PLEASE GIVE LIGHTS A SPEC THAT LETS THEM STAND ON WALLS, I NEEEEDD IT!!!

Alternatively they could give lance to light and the flail to medium, or just give medium a sling and either of the melee weapons to light.

[oblique crypt]

A flail could be interesting, the longer you hold the faster it spins and the more damage it does.

[weak kernel]

i'm a fan of goofy joke weapons, give medium a musket+bayonet and light a sling

[oblique crypt]

Musket would be hilarious

[weak kernel]

149 bodyshot damage, terrible accuracy and a ten year reload

but it's got a bayonet so you can charge in and panic swing after firing your only shot

[oblique crypt]

149 is crazy

A mix between melee and ranged is interesting though

[weak kernel]

or maybe something goofy like damage based on a percentage of max health so it's doing a big significant chunk to every class despite being one shot only

and light just gets the sling from Northern Journey

charges up, chucks rocks

[slender bear]

Honestly I wouldn't mind the sling on light. I just want something other than a gun. They might not be as viable competitively, but the melee weapons and projectile based stuff are the most interesting weapons on light imo.

Since a musket wouldn't actually be medieval, they could just give medium the sling and let you attack with a melee alt fire for 90 damage at sledge hammer primary speed

I'd imagine getting whipped in the face with a bag of rocks could do some decent damage.

[weak kernel]

i feel like if you're gonna add a sling it's gotta go to light if only because of the mythological connotations of a sling

[slender bear]

Oh you might be right. David and Goliath skins when?

I can see why they might also want to keep the game non religious though.

I'm pretty biased. I just really want to see more melee in the game. Being limited to 2 per build is pretty annoying, as a light main that means I'm stuck with a recently nerfed sword an a niche dagger that really needs a rework.

[slender bear]

I just realized they have some stuff inspired by the Japanese mythos, so it already has some religious stuff. Including catholic stuff would be fine.

[hardy dust]

Revert sword, buff dagger, nerf cerb.

[hazy spoke]

clown skin pls

horror clow

[smoky summit]

i believe most of the frustration against melee weapons have to do with movement, and about countering the movement rather than the damage of the melee weapons tbh

[night sonnet]

yea but its a niche playstyle, it would be worse if a gun could have the same movement, so people shouldnt complain about it that much. (imagine a db with sword lunge dash capabilities...)

[slender bear]

It would be cool if light got an aoe weapon. We're currently the only class without one.

I'd still rather see a flail on light though, at least when we get the medieval map (if we do)

[lucid gale]

UAV please

[ashen hawk]

We. Need. To. Stop. Nerfing. Weapons. And. Instead. Buff. Other. Weapons. To. Their. Level.

STOP THIS NERF MARATHON

[gloomy marsh]

well well well if you buff every weapon so you can oneshot a heavy, that's not ideal, right? in an optimal world every weapon per class would have the same amount of time needed to kill. (every light weapon the same, a different time for medium, and so on for heavy). to make the weapons distinctive you can change damage, fire rate, recoil and reload. as a simple guideline: the higher the damage, the higher the recoil needs to be or reload and with reload the magazin capacity is included as well.

[sacred cypress]

Give heavy a shockwave launcher

[dusky field]

Problem being that 50% of the weapons suck ass

[grand turtle]

Weapons dont need to have exactly the same time to kill.

One weapon can excel at shorter ranges while some other is better at longer distances.
You have an advantage that depends on the range of engagement.

[gloomy marsh]

haven't tried every weapon yet, but most seem pretty equal. yeah range is another way to divers the weapons. but every weapon should have an equal time to kill on the optimal range

[indigo nexus]

That is what they do approx. half the time

[indigo nexus]

not reasonable without negative damage dropoff, and that would create an insanely weird weapon balance scenario

[raw cave]

riot shield needs a secondary attack rework for it to secure kills on lights or medium, because often they just run away like nothing ever happend. The secondary attack as it is, is just useless, it just moves this "carriable wall" in front of you. Add something obvious like shield bash from overwatch to prevent an attack, maybe slow down affected player and deal 5 damage like winch claw or lockbolt. The riot shield needs a rework

[gloomy marsh]

why? some weapons would better at long ranges and some better on close ones.

[indigo nexus]

If you applied your predicate to the weapon balance then long range weapons would have better or equal TTK to short range weapons in every scenario, unless inverse damage dropoff was added.

[gloomy marsh]

well if you would take the same weapon and only change the range dmg drop off, i agree with the equal ttk part. but if you compare for example a sniper and a shotgun. both are on the extreme sides on the range scale. my argument is, that the shotgun in close range should be as effective as a sniper on the long distance.

[gusty rock]

the FLUX RAIDER (320) would be a great addition to the game

[indigo nexus]

But if the sniper doesn’t get weaker closer up, then this doesn’t really work (it’s now like a shotgun with super high range), unless you’re implying something a bit different to your assertions

[royal pier]

In some Battlefield games they gave snipers and I think DMRs a "sweet spot" range. Basically, they delt less damage up close, then max damage at the intended range, followed by regular damage drop-off.

[gritty swallow]

what class tho?

[gusty rock]

medium i would say

[shell sonnet]

i think adding reverse damage fall off could be a good way to at least attempt weapon balance with

[gusty rock]

it could also the the quick reload feature like the arn 220

[gritty swallow]

have any idea's for a gimick?

[gusty rock]

the foregrip/mag holder

it has a built in mag release

[gritty swallow]

kinda reminds me of a kriss vector but that would not be easy to balance I think

[past parcel]

Buff the sniper, its worse than the repeater? esp since they added bullet drop etc like whats the point in using a sniper. You hit a medium once and they run before you can hit them 2 more times which is already hard by the way since i have to lead my shot and account for bullet drop. but an akm or a repeater and pike can just wipe me from across the map like hello????

[eager wasp]

I think perchance maybe just nerf the repeater

[graceful grail]

The ability of the flamethrower to go through barricades should be removed, it's just bs and there's no reason why it should work...at least I've never seen fire go through solid matter because it can.

[bold sentinel]

i was thinking about a light specialization : Poison trail

Working with a system like invis (charge decreasing with use)
Creates a poison trail and makes the user insesitive to all poison while activated

Poison damage must be lower than regular poison dmg since it could be abused a lot with melee weapon

any other ideas for new weapons / specialisation ?

[eager wasp]

With how light melee are right now they rely on dash so it wouldn’t be that big of a pick for melee

[bold sentinel]

yeah you right 🙂

[eager wasp]

If sword does get reverted in nerfs tho I could see that potentially being abused by them only tho, I think dagger will always be a dash spec

[bold sentinel]

it is true that using this specialisation would require to sacrfice tons of mobility

[indigo nexus]

flamethrower sucks if you remove its ability to hit around surfaces or burn through thin ones. It's already not great. Surely it'd need a significant buff to make up for this?

[eager wasp]

I disagree with a flamethrower buff frfr

[gusty rock]

its not full auto, its just a pistol with a stock

[gritty swallow]

ik the shape just reminded me of the vector

[graceful grail]

It just feels too cheap tbh... because sometimes if they put a barricade in your face they get some free DMG and in most cases you can't really counter it at all...and barricades are kinda meant to be blocking DMG...they're literally solid metal plates without gaps...so...no reason why there should be any fire coming through.

[indigo nexus]

supposed to be the heat I guess, but it's kind of a major part of the skillset required to properly use the flamethrower

can counter that by not going within 2m of them though :p

[past parcel]

no just revert the sniper changes maybe idk
its just not viable in such a fast game to have insane bullet drop and shot lead

[gritty swallow]

am running matter with sonar dash and vanish rn but idk what to put in the last gadget slot , any idea's?

[eager wasp]

Gateway is always a good gadget

or goo grenade, either or

imo you should switch out sonar or vanish for the one you don’t choose

[gritty swallow]

why tho sonar is realy nice to have espesialy for my teammates, and vanish Is just to sneak up on peaple or flee. il prob switch out sonar anyway cause why not try

only problem is that idk how to use gateway properlyµ

[eager wasp]

as long as you are listening you should know the general location of someone, for melee weapons I’d say you benefit more (I play dagger) bc you can see exactly where someone is and make a plan of attack to pick someone off but with guns you have much more room to play around with

so it’s better to get more utility

out of bringing another gadget

[eager wasp]

bringing cash boxes to cashout stations faster, vertical travel in fights, flanking after picking someone off, I usually throw it up where I think or I know I’m gonna be in a fight so that I can just toss the other down and have an escape route

It does only have a 70m range so be careful not to go too far

[gritty swallow]

70m + how far you can throw it no?

[eager wasp]

Yes if you are just about to hit 70m you can throw it to make it go a bit further

But you physically cannot go any further only the portal

otherwise it resets

[eager wasp]

Or if what you mean is I can throw it 70m away, no, you would have to run all that way

[gritty swallow]

I meant the run all the way

[eager wasp]

Yeah you gotta run bc once thrown it doesn’t go too far, about a buildings height I’d say off the top my head, like a skyway stadium building

[gritty swallow]

ok btw do you use dash with the dagger or not?

[eager wasp]

Yes I do, it’s really the only specialization you should be using with dagger if you wanna be consistent

Well consistent enough, it’s not a very easy weapon lmao

[gritty swallow]

I use dagger sometimes but am very bad at using dash, I just used grapple with it with is also ok (for me ) didn't do trickstabs tho

[gritty swallow]

what nerf did they even do to dagger last thing I saw them do is buff its dmg

[copper hazel]

grapple just makes you extremely predictable and useless as soon as you used it (while with melee)

[eager wasp]

They buffed it’s damage a bit, it helps a bit with getting lights if you miss a backstab, but they had nerfed backstabs before that which is what we really care about, they nerfed the backstabs radius from 180 to 150 which made it really inconsistent and bad

[gritty swallow]

as if am that usefull anyway while playing on 30FPS , also I don't play ranked so it doesn't matter that much

[copper hazel]

fair enough
as soon as you're just playing for fun it doesn't matter

[gritty swallow]

would only play ranked when I get a desktop pc

[spark igloo]

Angle nerf, charge time nerf, movement speed nerf, you get no stab if you fuck up your timing, multi hit removal, melee lunge nerf

Basically every stat except damage

[brittle yoke]

yeah dagger too op it does too much damage

[royal pier]

It's time to usher in the oppressive Mesh Spear Meta.

[royal pier]

They did buff the main attack, so killing lights is easier w/o backstab.

Either a charge stab and one swing, or two regular swings and a QM.

[placid slate]

The reduced the backstab radius to 150, which makes it feel kinds fucky

[placid slate]

I tried that before and I actually kinda fuck with it

Works better with it than sledge since it has the built in range, plus you're normally able to abuse sliding alot more to close the gap on spear

[royal pier]

I came to the same conclusions.

[placid slate]

Also, since health is VERY valuable to melee in general, mesh has natural synergy since it prevents you from losing precious hitpoints

[royal pier]

Especially when facing Cerberus.

[placid slate]

Also how do I increase the sensitivity on mesh shield? I can't find anything on google

[royal pier]

I assume it's just regular look sensitivity.

[placid slate]

Fuck this game bro

[royal pier]

Would be nice to have a separate slider.

[spiral mist]

up ur sens to MAX

[placid slate]

We need separate settings for each weapon bro

[royal pier]

Also diving into an already somewhat damaged squad and spinning to win is the best feeling.

[placid slate]

Had to create a weird ass crosshair just so I could have a crosshair on spear when I removed the centre dot for deagles

[royal pier]

I will say, Winch helps kill light in two attacks instead of 3/QM, but Lockbolt does as well.

Lockbolt can be really fucky, though.

[placid slate]

Different specs for different situations I guess. Winch also let's you throw people around too

[placid slate]

Not just off cliffs, throwing them into a corner is a free kill

[royal pier]

It's annoying when you mistime it by milliseconds and yeet when you don't want to, though. Pros and cons.

[placid slate]

You kinda get a feel for when it flings and when it doesn't. Unless you're lagging, then the fling never works

[smoky summit]

there's no way to do that lol, it directly works on your look sens. only way to do it is if you have a dedicated "sniper button" on your mouse and instead of pushing it to activate a lower dpi momentarily, u would have to set it to have a higher dpi and press is down while you activate your mesh shield

[placid slate]

This is bullshit

[smoky summit]

i mean.. what i said is true lol

not very convenient but yea

[gritty swallow]

What sight do yall like on the matter , I know it's a shotgun so you can just hipfire but quikscoping is more Fun for me and matter has some range

[wide onyx]

All the sights do the same thing. It's just personal preference.

I'm an OKP enjoyer myself though

Not like I use any ranged weapons though lol

[gritty swallow]

OKP?

[halcyon zenith]

Did they buff the shield or something?
I see a lot more shield users and even when he's sprinting at me full body exposed it won't let me hit him.

[slender bear]

Should the finals have a weapon ban mechanic like marvel rivals and overwatch? If they're not going to nerf the weapons that are actual problems they could at least give the players a way out of getting cerb'd every competitive round.

[dusky field]

Its dmg got buffed a while ago and the Riot shield hitbox is janky (in terms of blocking bullets) for both sides

[halcyon zenith]

Sick
Can we expect a fix for the jank hitbox or

[dusky field]

I don't think so sry

[spark igloo]

It's true that's why I've died to it 2 dozen times instead of just one dozen

[gritty swallow]

One positieve for you is the hitbox is jank in a negative(for riot) way to

[halcyon zenith]

Well that's a plus at least
Then again I've seen snipes on exposed riot shielders that just didn't connect

[slender bear]

If somebody defibbs and the person dies within 3 seconds of being rez'd that death should be counted as the defibber's and their defibrillator should get an extra 30 seconds on it's cooldown.

If they don't make it harder to troll with defib, I'm just going to switch medium and throw down gas before every single use.

[serene glade]

do you like talk in game or just actively throw all the time. ive never been trolled by a defib and you make it seem like it happens to you every other match

[slender bear]

It's not every game but it happens often enough that I might as well share this joy with the rest of the community.

[unkempt moss]

I was wondering the same. Judging how you conduct yourself in the discord I can see it though. You have an air of Chris Kattan about you.

[serene glade]

cmon man, that one was hurtful

[unkempt moss]

He was great in Roxbury, what do you mean?

Very self assertive, confident, handsome.

Great style and music choice. They hate him because they ain’t him type

[olive geode]

When does the stun gun rework get added to the game

[unkempt moss]

Have they said how they rework a stun gun?

[nocturne lark]

did i miss in patch notes somewhere a change for the warp gate? or is it currently bugged? cash boxes no longer pop through on the other side for me, they appear for like a split second and then go back to the entry gate

[wide onyx]

The real name of this sight is the OKP-7

[unkempt moss]

Can you believe that idiot didnt know that? High five me!

[haughty ferry]

waiting for my high five

[brisk pagoda]

This is the best skin name. Please keep it.

[slow linden]

Lava chicken

[obsidian flower]

i think that tracking dart is good

hitscan, 4 darts, 10 sec cooldown, 13 seconds of tracking

the perfect tool for a support light-class

[unkempt moss]

I like it too, but top 500 says it’s bad.

[obsidian flower]

boo i say, listen not to the serpents of the ivory tower. tracking dart is good

[unkempt moss]

Thats a disgustingly based take.

[obsidian flower]

its funny to immediately track the enemy team in the final round right after they spawn

[unkempt moss]

I think it’s map dependent vs Sonar, but it is completely fine to run.

[obsidian flower]

i will admit, sonar has its place. however, i tend to play a longer-range support light class. Bow/sniper/lh1 with gateway, grav vortex, tracking dart, and grappling hook

having the ability to instantly mark multiple enemies at range is amazing

[unkempt moss]

I think tracking dart on open maps is really good. Things like Kyoto and Bernal it does really well. The tall and tight maps I think Sonar is better.

However, I’m not a light player.

[obsidian flower]

you can outrun a sonar grenade. you cant outrun a dart

[unkempt moss]

I can’t outrun anything on heavy.

[obsidian flower]

although not having to expose yourself is nice with the sonar grenades

[unkempt moss]

You learn to just exist and fight in the vision.

[obsidian flower]

very true

[unkempt moss]

I like when lights dont just copy paste the standard load out though.

[obsidian flower]

yeah, its boring as hell

i find greater satisfaction in marking people and having my other two teammates chase down our target like dogs

its very funny

grapple hook is meta. drop the cloak and the dash

[unkempt moss]

This is how my friends and I feel as well. Especially if you’re running gateway. On top of this, it’s the funnest spec on light.

[obsidian flower]

ah yes, i love opening vault 5 while cashout 3 is still going

peak mobility allows for such goofiness

[unkempt moss]

When we found out you can keep jump pad momentum through a gateway we had some fun with it.

Seeing a heavy launch 30m in the air out of a gateway is pretty awesome.

[slender bear]

I just realized if we do get a knight set with a greatsword sledge skin, they could have an armor based spec for heavy as well.

[obsidian flower]

what about a war hammer

[slender bear]

We already have two war hammer skins for sledge though.

[obsidian flower]

true

[slender bear]

I've just heard a lot of people asking for a greatsword skin and that sounds like something embark would do, considering they've already mentioned being interested in doing a medieval themed season.

[obsidian nexus]

NERF XP54

u did not need to buff an already versatile weapon to the point where almost all other weapons are obsolete

[north shard]

Xp is probably my favorite weapon

Or 9s

[serene glade]

Because they are strong?

Those would also be my favorite weapons if I felt like deleting things

[shadow onyx]

I can never bring myself to put Russian optics on American guns, something about it feels wrong

[spice kernel]

Buff sword

[slender bear]

If you had to guess, which do you think kills faster? A sword, or someone's shoulder?

[slender bear]

Hint: It's not something you carry in your hand.

[sacred scroll]

What's your point?

[late bramble]

nerv the fire shotgun for mid

[weak kernel]

like the idea of a serious sam cannon RPG sidegrade for heavy (causes heavy knockback and extreme destruction in its flight path, like a projectile charge n' slam. has to be charged before firing, no splash.)

[smoky summit]

chicken jockeyy

[foggy dagger]

Flint and steel

[jolly bison]

My friend and I have been searching for a ranked game for over 40 minutes now. Are you sure people are interested enough in a game that is planning a 100k major?

[unkempt moss]

I think it’s working

[random fractal]

So i kinda have an interesting and dumb rework for the light class invis.

What if the invis never runs out as long as you dont move, but it doesn't recharch if you dont move

activating it would still consume i thinking 25% of its charge and only drains if you are moving and/or sprinting

And you would have about 10 seconds of sprint/walking time with the invis active

This way i think it could work more as an ambush tool

[royal gale]

Guys zipline or jump pad

[fiery cairn]

The throwing knives are much too strong

70% Plays light class everyone plays either throwing knives or xmp

[stoic garden]

depends on map, sys horizon and maybe Seoul are better with zips, maps like monaco or skyway stadium fare better with jump pad (mainly due to high buildings and many many sloped roofs you can take advantage of)

[dusky field]

Just run both 🙃

[timid saffron]

Both

[errant jungle]

Goo gun
So
Is it good?

[dusky field]

Can be good if you use it right it has a high skill ceiling tho

If you want to see a good goo gun user i recommend watching EkaZoko

[slow linden]

9s is fine,xp is a little overtuned though

[placid slate]

Realistically what can be done to the xp that doesn't make it completely irrelevant

[slow linden]

Honestly revert its most recent buff,it felt nice before

[weak kernel]

I don't know how the stat spread of light's autos looks right now but slightly cutting the effective range down or taking a few rounds away from the mag sounds the most intuitive to me

[cunning jasper]

will i ever get my model 1887 back? i get sad everytime i use it these days.

[slow linden]

It's excessive now,it was already a death ray in the right hands

[slow linden]

They fear fun weapons being strong,only Automatic long range beams are allowed to be strong

[cunning jasper]

honestly i'd be okay if pumps still had animation cancels. very peeved they removed that

[slow linden]

They needa give the ks23 crits

[graceful grail]

Hear me out...nerf invis by making it like in TF2...you first have to decloak over like a second before you can shoot, use gadgets, etc. . I'n return if it's too bad you could make it not drain when completely still, cloak and dagger style maybe. And if an invisible light gets hit you could either have them auto decloak over a sex too or instantly decloak and be able to fight back. I'd say that probably it would make cloak more stealth than spam, but I guess I'm just a heavy main who hates lights too much.

[tulip ore]

Can of beans skin for the sonar grenade

oh and function flip for all throwables

[blissful dawn]

How come the rhinestones don’t glitter on the Vegas gems gun skin?

[slow linden]

This is not a hot take, invis needs this

As someone who USES invis when i play light that would feel a lot better

[cunning jasper]

ngl if cloak was less run and gun from the start i doubt people would've complained about it as much. They basically fused scout and spy into one but gave lil bro a nuke lol

[graceful grail]

Light with invis and XP54 feels like a mixture of spy, scout and a level 2 sentry sometimes

[slow linden]

Honestly as an all class player sonar grenade and motion sensors should be removed,tracking dart is fine cause it's a direct hit but hey

[cunning jasper]

mini sentry :3

[slow linden]

Nah,revert the xps most recent buffs

[graceful grail]

I'd keep it's better DPS than then ARN, but give it more falloff, but less than the MP40, making it some middle ground between the two

[slow linden]

There is no mp40 yet

But I agree both smgs need a range nerf

[cunning jasper]

I hate walls yes lol

[graceful grail]

Meant M11...I played too many WW2 games lately I see...

[raw cave]

riot shield needs a secondary attack rework for it to secure kills on lights or medium, because often they just run away like nothing ever happend. The secondary attack as it is, is just useless, it just moves this "carriable wall" in front of you. Add something obvious like shield bash from overwatch to prevent an attack, maybe slow down affected player and deal 5 damage like winch claw or lockbolt. The riot shield needs a rework

[slow linden]

M11 is probably the easiest thing to use in the game tbh,not the best but it's pretty damn good

Nah AKMs easier but it's inherently worse

[dusky field]

Cerberus is also very easy to use (in the current state)

[lucid gale]

how good is the model 1887 in the current meta

[cunning jasper]

it's fkn dookie literally every 1v1 unless they're also using an absolute trash can like yourself you lose. The ttk is abysmal. You rely alot of hit and run tactics cause every gun outperforms you by wide margins. Not having the QM 1 tap any more makes lights way more dangerous due to your tight spread at close range, limited ammo, and firerate. I flat out think the current sword is still better than the model lmao. Either hit every shot to make it viable or go home pretty much. 1 miss or partial can ruin your day.

[slow linden]

I won't deny that,they should nerf it's damage and rework fire to work in a maximum of 3 multiplicative stacks

They should also rework the flamethrower into a beam weapon that is affected by gravity and momentum but no one is ready to have that conversation

[shell sonnet]

sounds interesting

what if you had to like charge it up
the longer you hold, the straighter it flies

tap fire (or m2 maybe for ease of use?) for similar to now usage
but you can hold it and the jump into a room to set everyone on fire

[slow linden]

It would basically be a range buff with the removal of most of its AOE,also it should leave fire pools after continuous fire

[slow linden]

This would be sick

[shell sonnet]

if its aoe wasnt as big (and potentially got afterburn changes to scale based on time hit to avoid mouse sweep cheese) we could probably buff the range

aim actually required, with a power boost to match

[slow linden]

It would make goo gun combos more viable

[shell sonnet]

but i have my worries around lingering aoe hitboxes
nerfing its aoe might not be enough of a detriment to make the buffs a fair match

[slow linden]

I think it'd be fine,it would also make spear less of a hard counter to it

I think hard counters are bad for the game

This is the finals not overwatch

[dusky field]

Spear and hard counter i have never heard these words together before

[shell sonnet]

spear vs dagger 🤷‍♂️

although, dagger is an ambush weapon, so one could say they failed their job already in that case

[slow linden]

It counters flamethrower and most other melees apart from sledge,it's not overpowered it's just very annoying for certain builds to play against and a free kill in the open to anyone with a gun

[dusky field]

My Riot shield ass looking at a winch hammer/spear user 🫥

[slow linden]

Make the spear throwable,remove spin,keep it's basic poke combo

[dusky field]

Don't make Spear throwable pls

[slow linden]

You at least have a chance against sledge,spear they just spin to win

[shell sonnet]

remove spin
please dont, i like it

if you have to add throwing, make it like on hold and make tapping a single spin

spinning should be interruptible anyways

[slow linden]

That would be interesting

[dusky field]

There is no way we are asking for a Spear nerf

[slow linden]

I dunno I feel like once you start spinning on someone they're going to die

Unless they're being pocketed by heal beam

[shell sonnet]

its supposed to be a buff, so you arent hard locked into a 3 step animation with 0 movement that just gets you killed on a missclick

[dusky field]

Oh i thought you meant the enemy being able to stop the spin

[graceful grail]

Lemme throw the spear and nail enemies into walls and the floor for a second or two with a cool down

[slow linden]

That'd be extremely funny

[shell sonnet]

i have plenty of clips where i think i will hit someone, it doesnt actually go that far, and then they just walk away and shoot me

sometimes stuck under stairs

one time i missclicked and an enemy took the box
another time i couldnt rpg to stop a steal

[slow linden]

That'd be sick

[dusky field]

You can emote cancel tho so there is that (but you can't sprint after lol)

[shell sonnet]

please no stun mechanics

[shell sonnet]

not sure if that counts as exploit tech, i aint using that

[slow linden]

This game has terrible hit reg even with hit scan weapons and don't get me started on projectiles and explosions,they don't even do the proper damage half the time

[graceful grail]

It'd kinda be like the stun gun, but does some damage, but also locks you in place for shorter and you can still aim and shoot normally

[slow linden]

I direct impacted someone with the CL40 for 13 damage twice in one day 😭

[dusky field]

I mean you can't sprint until the original animation finishes so idk

[shell sonnet]

its not as bad, but a stun is a stun imo, just a slider on how frustrating you want it to be

best case would be none

[graceful grail]

When my C4 and RPG combo does 27 DMG cause some flowerpot was in the way 👀

[graceful grail]

But as is there isn't really much the spear has to go for it, especially when you can just use the sledgehammer

[slow linden]

Half the time nothing will be in the way but you still do 27 damage lmao

[shell sonnet]

but there are surely other ways to buff that dont include stuns

[slow linden]

The stungun is an instant hitscan death sentence,a spear pin would be a projectile

Stungun also stuns for a long ass time

[shell sonnet]

and stun gun is (rightfully) getting reworked

[slow linden]

Hopefully it gets the recon sense treatment

[shell sonnet]

we shouldnt take the downward spiral of
"x is is very bad, so mine should be allowed to be a little bad"

its all downhill and everyone looses

[shell sonnet]

wouldnt mind

better gone than actively negative

[slow linden]

The most lazy toxic players would use it imo

[graceful grail]

Can we nuke the smoke + thermal vision combo next pls?

[slow linden]

Nah

I actually like smokes and that's coming from a heavy main

[shell sonnet]

i dont really have a problem with thermal, but the balancing reason someone gave on being a hard counter to cloak is valid imo

[weak kernel]

rather than getting rid of smoke/thermal vision i'd rather just have some kind of way to dissipate smoke, maybe high explosives

[slow linden]

I run smokes and the minigun and spray at people through the smoke

It's great

[shell sonnet]

cs2 smokes that can be pierced with gunfire for short windows of visibility

lets kill this gams performance

[weak kernel]

you've got the RPS shit with goo/poison/fire/smoke but smoke doesn't actually lose to anything

[shell sonnet]

smoke should loose to being close

cant see inside from outside, cant see outside from inside, but you can see silhouettes from inside, so its at least not random/buggy if they actually work in your favor

i cant count how often i used smoke, just for it to be thinner than crumbling building smoke, right after which an enemy uses it and you cant see shit while they steal "for free"

[weak kernel]

people don't really talk about the gadget RPS stuff anymore because demat means a single member of your team can instantly negate any attempt to fortify and turtle (and it's plausibly more than one because demat is completely nuts and medigun's been nerfed pretty hard)

[shell sonnet]

literally a solid gray sphere of smoke, that you cant see inside of from outside, with thermals black and white vision inside would be better imo

at least it would be consistent

[slow linden]

There are 4 gadgets and 2 weapons that dissipate smoke,the weapons being niche picks and only one of the gadgets being very reliable for the task

[shell sonnet]

?

[graceful grail]

There are?

[slow linden]

Cl40,mgl32,rpg(reliable) frag grenade,frag mine,C4,oh I forgot breach charges too

[weak kernel]

i don't think explosives can actually dissipate smoke I was offering that as an idea lol

at best I think it works like gas where you tear down the floor to get the objective away from the smoke

[slow linden]

Could just throw gas into the smoke and ruin the fun for everyone tho

[shell sonnet]

even if they do, with how much i use explsoives, me never noticing they do speaks for their consistency/helpfullness

[slow linden]

It's very inconsistent as I've stated the hit reg in this game is trash

[graceful grail]

Hit reg is a sledgehammer mains greatest ally in this game it feels like when they break reality itself to hit me

[slow linden]

It is,Sledge mains subsist purely off of stubbornness and sheer force of will

They WILL hit you, because they WANT to

[shell sonnet]

lovely negativity bias
if you play it (at least now) its frequently just pain imo

which your opponents dont notice
they only notice the pain of an extender hitreg kill

[graceful grail]

They command the air in front of it the attack me

[slow linden]

Meanwhile someone could imbed a dagger between your vertebrae for what feels like 25 damage

[graceful grail]

Or hit your small pinky from the front and that's a backstab

[slow linden]

Dash stabs are actually impressive and hard to do tho imo

[weak kernel]

so i'm labbing the smoke nade and detonating an explosive where the smoke grenade was out does seem to instantly kill the cloud, sometimes

I'd like to know exactly how the smoke nade works because it acts funny sometimes

[slow linden]

Yeah,trash,match selling hitreg

[weak kernel]

sometimes the smoke cloud stays, sometimes the cloud moves somewhere else

[graceful grail]

At least it takes skill unlike spamming dash and double barreling your face 👀

[white belfry]

Dash and double barrel how fun

[slow linden]

Yeah I hate double barrel lights,the matter is a much more elegant weapon

[weak kernel]

almost seems like it's dependent on hitting the invisible smoke grenade but even that doesn't work sometimes

[white belfry]

"just get far away out of the damage radius bro"

[graceful grail]

Double barrel is like knife without the effort

[slow linden]

100%agree

[weak kernel]

double barrel is knife *but viable

[graceful grail]

You gotta dodge it in real life by running away from your Pc and quitting the game

[weak kernel]

double barrel is peak fun and diving into a minigun heavy and blasting him before he can mist you is one of life's simple joys

[slow linden]

Meanwhile they're the fastest class in the game and WILL get you if they want you

[white belfry]

Me winning a fight against a knife user at 1 HP cuz they always missed

[slow linden]

I ain't say it ain't fun,it's just not fun to fight depending on the player

[haughty ferry]

new record for most damage done with grenade?

[graceful grail]

Still don't understand why they nerfed the DMG and reduced it from one to two in the same balance change

[slow linden]

It finally surpassed the CL40s record of full healing the entire enemy team on hit

[white belfry]

Last time I played this game was when heavy was broken

So like preseason

[haughty ferry]

i honestly think the nerf was reasonable all i want is it to be more consistent with its dmg

[weak kernel]

yeah i don't think not being able to kill smoke grenades is a simple hitreg issue it feels like something weirder than that

[slow linden]

Heavy is okay now,lights balanced but very annoying and medium is the strongest class in the game

[graceful grail]

Single queue heavy feels like beating a fat disabled person in a wheelchair...but that person is you...

[slow linden]

I play all classes by the way,though I am a heavy main so I may be a little biased keep in mind

[weak kernel]

like if i'm dumping a full tube of CL-40 shots into a smoke grenade and it's not dissipating there's something about the mechanics of it that i'm not understanding

[white belfry]

Every heavy I've come across now either have no aim or is using a sledgehammer lmao

[shell sonnet]

its not thaaaat bad
you just need to sell you kidney for energy drinks and chug them all in 1 go (dw, the kidney would be fucked anyways)

[graceful grail]

Triple medium team is sometimes like fighting the horde thanks to triple defib

[obsidian nexus]

gasmine, APS, gasnade all need a buff to XP gained. its way too slow compared to other gadgets

[shell sonnet]

try damaging a floor with 7 cl shots
then place a smoke on it
and then destroy the floor with 1 final cl shot

my theory is that the thinner building smoke will replace the "thick" nade smoke

[weak kernel]

i mean i was testing on the ground floor and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't, don't feel like going back in rn

[slow linden]

Agreed,heavy cannot live without competent teammates,if your team has bad positioning you have horrible positioning,and heavy gets kurb stomped by bad positioning,also if there is no support like a heal medium or mesh heavy with dome to back you up in spite of the bad positioning then you're just boned

[shell sonnet]

someone actually admiting and keeping in mind they may be biased?
whats next?
vayia will actually keep cns out?

[slow linden]

Do not slander vaiiya in my presence

[shell sonnet]

i didnt even spell it right 😭

[slow linden]

Lmao

[white belfry]

The surpressed pistol is fun

[slow linden]

Yeah triple medium sucks to fight,and Don't get me started on brainless horrible medium teammates that defib you in the middle of an open fight and run away without healing you and get you farmed

[slow linden]

It is fun,it's one of my favorite light weapons

[white belfry]

I would say it's the only light weapon that isn't terrible but that's biased

[shell sonnet]

i rarely use it

the few times i used it i either did incredibly well or got wiped without question, no in-between

[slow linden]

I'd say it could use a buff and the smgs could use range nerfs tbh

[slow linden]

The arns really good try it

[shell sonnet]

might have been map dependent

i recall dipping in and out on monaco doing well, and i think i sucked on seoul?

but whats new

[slow linden]

I don't like using it because ARs bore me to sleep but the arn is good

[white belfry]

Alright

[shell sonnet]

i love gimmik weapons

i think we may have about reached the saturation of "standart" type weapons

[slow linden]

Yeah

[shell sonnet]

dont think these will be the last one, but imo its starting to bloat

[slow linden]

Could use a few more pistols maybe

[shell sonnet]

3 assault rifles and 2 dmr's on medium

[slow linden]

Heavy needs a 500 magnum

[shell sonnet]

could do like melee maybe, every class 2
but what would we even give heavy

[white belfry]

I thought it did?

[placid needle]

Well. That is defibs main use. I do not run healing gun as delay is miles better. But yeah 3 meds is best team comp imo.

[slow linden]

He has duel deagles

[white belfry]

Oh

[slow linden]

Medium has just a humble 44 magnum and no other pistols

Heavy needs a 500 magnum

[graceful grail]

Give heavy a 50.cal mg...like the other mgs...but less fire rate, more DMG per bullet and more range...also, I wanna see a fat guy with a 50 run around and fire at little guys...the American dream

[slow linden]

The heavy should get a ma deuce I think that would be cool actually

Medium could use dual automatic glock 19s maybe?

[graceful grail]

We need both of these

[white belfry]

Give light a UMP

[shell sonnet]

what are some gimmik weapons we could add?

is a light gl a bad idea?

[white belfry]

Probably

[slow linden]

The umps so plain,why not a P90 or a MP40 or a Thompson?

[slow linden]

Give the light an M79 thumper

I will not take no for an answer

[white belfry]

Mp40 is nice

I don't think the devs would be able to do the irons justice tho

[shell sonnet]

me want

[graceful grail]

I want either an M1 Grand weapon or skin in this game ...gimme the plings

[shell sonnet]

not sure if 1-shotting lights is an option tho

might end up with a loch n load situation

but like, with how fast the other weapons kill, and this being a projectile

[white belfry]

Heavy 500 mag would oneshot lights

[shell sonnet]

one-shots (often) suck (imo)

[slow linden]

They need to give heavy the MK19 grenade machine gun

[shell sonnet]

isnt that just a faster rof mgl?

[graceful grail]

Just because we can destroy the entire map doesn't mean we HAVE to...

[shell sonnet]

+/- being stationary

[slow linden]

No it's this horrifying thing

[white belfry]

(Heavy victim)

[slow linden]

We need to

[shell sonnet]

carrying a stationary canon by hand is kinda silly tho

[graceful grail]

...let's give heavy a fatman from fallout...

[slow linden]

I think 100 to the body and 200 to the head would be fair with braced aim and no sights

[shell sonnet]

i mean, if we gotta have a direct explosion gl on heavy, rather add a new one to mess around with than screw around with mgl and potentially make it less interesting/worse

[white belfry]

I wanna be able to tear down whole buildings with the click of a button

[slow linden]

You mean the Davy Crockett? A real portable nuclear warhead launcher that existed?

[graceful grail]

YES

[shell sonnet]

the bounce is limiting, sure, but i absolutely love it
actually gets you to think about playing and how to get pipes in

its the kind of tickle my brain needs, ive been playing it almost non-stop for like a week

not a rare use before that either, i almost got triangle twinkle

[slow linden]

The mk19 should do a flat 50 damage and shouldn't have bounces but you can only fire it while aiming and you can't move while aiming it

[shell sonnet]

not everything can be ranked viable

have there ever been 2 different weapons simultaneously being ranked viable on a class without overshadowing the other?

[graceful grail]

Not move at all while aiming...? Idk...it means everything can headshot you for free

[slow linden]

Should probably not have map destruction

[slow linden]

Hm,this is a fair point maybe it doesn't need such harsh penalties

Hipfiring it would be kinda funny

[shell sonnet]

excluding the time it took people to realize model was way better than the other options before its nerf

[graceful grail]

I want our heavy to have a sandwich that he can eat...but instead of insta health it should like double to triple his regen the next time he's outta combat, so heavy could get quicker into the fight again but still takes until he regens...and one hit interrupts it still...also I love tf2 too much

[slow linden]

Honestly the only other LMG heavy needs is the M249 saw

[oblique crypt]

Everything is ranked viable if you try hard enough .

[shell sonnet]

im pretty sure most people would disagree
heck, it is/was up for debate if light is viable at all with how fast they die

[oblique crypt]

Doesn't matter what weapon you use if you never miss.

[white belfry]

Okay pal

[oblique crypt]

And play perfectly in every way

[gritty swallow]

your supposed to move while shooting? , thats why I keep on dying now I understand

[shell sonnet]

never missing is impossible

but even if it was, then its reasonable to assume the enemies would as well, at which point some weapons just loose the ttk battle no matter what

and what about like dagger, if you assume perfection, every player would always perfectly anticipate an ambush and you would never get close

[jagged flume]

I would love for Embark to add a single-shot black powder rifle with a bayonet. A hard hitting projectile weapon effective out to medium range with a longer, more effective quick melee. Something like a Dreyse or Martini Henry

[oblique crypt]

Not impossible, technically impossible.

[shell sonnet]

are we basing our discussion on common ground right now?

[oblique crypt]

Nope

[white belfry]

Ranked discussion moment

[graceful grail]

If you can't hit most of your bullet, then use gun with more bullet, therefore more bullet will hit

[white belfry]

D Day Ahh mindset

[graceful grail]

M60 + Minigun gameplay

[slow linden]

The martini Henry is my beloved

[weak kernel]

a single shot bayonet rifle for medium, a classic fan the hammer hipfire-oriented revolver with a slow rounds reload for light, honestly i'm not sure what to give heavy, my mind usually goes to funny-but-obligated-to-be-bad gimmick weapons like a 20mm AMR

[slow linden]

You must play hunt showdown

[slow linden]

I think as long as the revolver isn't double action you should be able to fan it

[graceful grail]

Heavy gets a handCANON...an entire canon, right in his hand

[weak kernel]

i like the idea of a big naval cannon as a gadget tho

[slow linden]

Meaning a 500 magnum would be feasibly fannable

[graceful grail]

When they defend the building too much so you remove it

[weak kernel]

but the magnum research BFR came to mind as a funny oversized weapon if a big rifle like the NTW-20 or PTRS-41 just can't really work with heavy's balancing

[graceful nova]

Gadget randomizer: a gadget/specialization. upon activation, it becomes a random gadget from your reserve. Using it causes a cooldown

[jagged flume]

The vintage weapons featured in Hunt Showdun are lovely, but I hate the game itself

[slow linden]

I like the game I hate 90% of the player base being insufferable redditors

[fading bison]

#freemoolah

[placid slate]

Flamethrower and spear 1v1s generally end in both sides dying simultaneously

[clever sleet]

Buff the sword....

[slow linden]

Half the time yes,but the other half spear steamrolls flamethrower

[placid slate]

Their ttk is functionally the exact same, plus the flamethrower has nearly double its range

[slow linden]

Nah I feel like spear kills way quicker

[placid slate]

I've had several 1v1s against a flamethrower recently end in a tie

[slow linden]

I'll have done a third of their health and I'll be on a third of my health

[mossy ibex]

The XP54 has high damage, large magazine capacity, low recoil, and long range — isn't it a bit too powerful? I think it should be rebalanced.

[slow linden]

I usually have to trap them in goo and throw a pyromine at them and shoot it to win

[placid slate]

If we knew the attack speed of the spear we could get definitive proof but since whoever does the wiki doesn't do that stuff for melees we just gotta go off personal experience, which is unfortunate since we have polar opposite ones

Spear ttk on heavies aren't cut by quick melee either

Only way to actually test is to 1v1

[slow linden]

True

[slow linden]

Swapping weapons for data purposes no gadgets or specs apart from winch?

[placid slate]

Unironically want to 1v1?

[slow linden]

This is science that we need to test,I'm playing oblivion right now but I'll be on finals later,shoot me a DM

[placid slate]

I'm busy rn too, I'll message when I'm free

[slow linden]

K

[obsidian nexus]

cerb

[lucid marsh]

When is the XP getting nerfed?

[graceful grail]

Is it a hottake to say that heavy is both the best and worst class in the game? If you have a good team that you can communicate with you're the goat...but...if you gotta random queue cause you don't have friends...you're as useless as a fat guy in a gunfight irl.

[shell sonnet]

Depends on strategie and how you play imo

I frequently go in the neighbourhood of 10:0 k/d with mgl32 of all things

I guess it just comes down to not playing like youre in a stack when solo

Heals, other shields, defib and support fire massively help heavy out, but if you dont have that you might just end up eating dirt

[graceful grail]

Biggest enemy is the vents...as a heavy you can't go through...and then my teammates tend to run off through it, not help me by demating or anything or even wait for a bit ...and then die and complain about me not being there with them

[serene glade]

Technically with goo gun there is a couple vents you go through as heavy 😏

[shell sonnet]

i work around that by being the idiot running off alone, difference being i somehow fuck up so bad it starts working again

with mgl thats not too bad tho
direct combat sucks, but shooting into the next room works pretty well

especially on monaco where you can shoot from window to window over an alley

[graceful grail]

Only issue is that I do kinda sucky especially on my own...

[shell sonnet]

would love to give advice but i cant think of anything

[slow linden]

Nah this is accurate

[graceful grail]

my biggest issue is that after i fight someone im often quite low...and heavy health regen sucks ass tbh

[slow linden]

It helps to play heavy as if you were playing light when solo,hold angles,run away,be a coward,be an alive coward

[spark igloo]

heavy is very reliant on your team which is rough when you're queued with clueless bricks

it really depends on your loadout tho, I dont notice loadouts like winch sledge being too much more difficult when solo qing

although winch sledge is probably the easiest way to play the game right now while being very effective

[slow linden]

Goo gun is probably the best solo heavy spec since you can use it to run away

[slow linden]

Easy yes,but not easiest per se

[spark igloo]

what's easier

I should rephrase that, easiest for the most value

its basically the same as sword without being completely miserable to fight

[shell sonnet]

thats just something you have to put up with, not much you can do about it

try using defensive items such as mines/goo to seal yourself in for safe regenerating, learn the maps and movement tech (like window vaulting) to run away better and hide more easily

but thats pretty much it

[shell sonnet]

might be flamethrower

[spark igloo]

flamer is very easy but also just bad

[shell sonnet]

but thats also way less rewarding

[slow linden]

That's better

[shell sonnet]

but yeah, winch makes them stupid easy imo

[spark igloo]

sledge is easy and very good

[slow linden]

It's only shortcoming is bad hitreg,in a stable match with no latency or lag or rubber banding of any kind its great,it's probably one of the most balanced weapons in the game

Great power for reasonable sacrifice

[spark igloo]

this is only kinda true and also kinda not true

sledge on ping gives you the advantage of being able to walk at people who think you're nowhere near them

when I play on ping with a melee my main issue is the movement and gadgets taking so long to use

[slow linden]

That's a thing with all melee weapons though,heavy having a speed disadvantage and the other melees just being bad on average but on faster classes

[spark igloo]

I wouldn't call it balanced though, winch makes sledge too easy for the value it provides. It needs something like old s2 goo that makes it more skillful to use and less obnoxious to fight

[spark igloo]

tbh heavy's lack of speed makes sledge the most playable melee on ping

you're not making as complex movements or blocking like you do on others

[shell sonnet]

isnt the sledge lunge enough to make you as fast as medium?

[spark igloo]

faster

[shell sonnet]

cant confirm, but wouldnt be suprised if it was slightly faster

[slow linden]

I think it's balanced,I don't mind being vaporized by the heavy attack but people who just mash the basic attack and win because they're still doing 75 damage have goo for brains

[spark igloo]

if you can catch up to a medium with it then it's faster

[slow linden]

Its basic attack is problematic due to spamming,it's alt is funny enough the most balanced part of it

[shell sonnet]

no idea if you can do
the only times i recall the speed difference was after a winch, hard to tell since i never get far enough away to know

[spark igloo]

mashing the light attack is more often than not what you're supposed to do lol

sledge itself is completely fine

winch is what makes it an issue

[shell sonnet]

especially because of the lunge and more forgiving hitbox

does the m2 even have a lunge?
never payed attention to that

[spark igloo]

the hitbox is fine tbh

[slow linden]

With Sledge it feels boring to do,I'd rather primarily heavy attack and only occasionally throw the basic

[spark igloo]

the lunge should just go on all melees, then they should receive buffs like R key alt fires

[spark igloo]

it does, all melee attacks do

[shell sonnet]

i cant recall ever seeing any real complaints about sledge before winch

idk if it was other stuff being more problematic during that time, or if winch pulled people into range often enough to finally notice the m2 hitbox jank
but it seems every other sledge complaint has only materialized because of winch

[spark igloo]

sledge just gets rid of most of it's downsides
while being extremely easy to use

[shell sonnet]

i used to love playing sledge as ambush weapon
open a floor, jump down and smack em

[spark igloo]

you can even m2 off of winch unless it's a max winch heavy

[shell sonnet]

flank heavy is surprisingly fun

[slow linden]

Winch is a crutch,only bad heavys favor it,same as stungun being for bad toxic lights

[slow linden]

Flanking with a minigun and mowing down a whole team is peak comedy

[spark igloo]

it's a crutch but it's also just the best heavy spec for 2 of heavy's best weapons. There isnt really a better option for sledge or sa12

[slow linden]

Goo guns my favorite,I run it with everything

[shell sonnet]

i always prep the floor below a cashout to be just before falling, and when someone steals i turn the floor and them into swiss cheese

i played minigun for a week straight when the season dropped

[spark igloo]

just cause it's your favourite doesnt make winch bad

[shell sonnet]

goo gun my beloved

[slow linden]

No winch is great I just think people who can't use anything else aren't the best,they aren't toxic like stungun lights though

[shell sonnet]

that reminds me of that one twitter meme
no idea how it goes
something along the lines of:
A: "man, i love pokemon"
B: "that means you must hate minecraft"

(no offence)

[slow linden]

"Man I love ice cream"

"So steak is just awful for you then?"

Actually winch with spear is pretty toxic but that's about it

[shell sonnet]

how could spear winch be worse than sledge (beyond that 1 cheese tactic)

[spark igloo]

maybe toxic for yourself

[slow linden]

It has no chance of missing,and guarantees death no matter the class,heavy can escape a Sledge winch

[slow linden]

I used it once,got a 20 kill game and did not feel too good about myself for it,it's an evil build imo

[dusky field]

Light with dash 🫥

[spark igloo]

it doesnt, literally every class can escape

[slow linden]

Spear spin winch can probably kill them before they can dash away

[eager wasp]

what gadgets do you use for your sledge build

[dusky field]

Nope

[shell sonnet]

i mean, light maybe, but the rest?

[spark igloo]

light can escape too WITHOUT dash lol

[shell sonnet]

even if they get hit twice, youre still in the animation for a solid second and they get to run

[slow linden]

Barricades and goo gun,RPG,C4

[graceful grail]

my favourite for single queue are probably the deagles and m60...cause they require little reload and do decent dmg on defense...and are somewhat good against lights

[shell sonnet]

maybe they got a ptsd panic attack and just accepted their death because they still havent processed that winch has been nerfed and is now slightly oppressive?

[short seal]

Weirdly I vibe with sledge on solo q when playing heavy.

[slow linden]

The others don't have dash so they're especially boned,actually charge and slam might just hard counter it but that's about it

[slow linden]

Solid choices honestly

[graceful grail]

M60 after buffs is real good, solid DMG and sometimes it feels like enemies don't wanna charge you cause you got so much ammo tbh, and it's got decent enough range

And deagles get extra style points even though I have some rounds where I miss every single shot, and then rounds where I hit every single shot

[slow linden]

A good minigun player will usually beat m60 but minigun also relies more heavily on team play

[slow linden]

I feel that I suck with the deagles

[graceful grail]

Honestly, in my lobbies it's rather even, cause when they're spun up you can pump them full with headshots, and you got no spin up time, meaning many times you're the first one firing...don't know how it's in the skilled lobbies though

[slow linden]

I usually flank with the minigun or jump around corners or drop into fights with it pre-spun

There are ways around its limitations

[graceful grail]

My biggest issue with minigun often is how you have to play rather specific and to the rules without much flexibility...for me it's strong but not that fun...at least not for playing it long periods of time

[slow linden]

I basically only use flamethrower and minigun

I think there is flexibility in positioning but using it basically triples heavys weaknesses

Flamethrower is good but I'd prefer they make it work like an actual Flamethrower and not a propane burning torch

[graceful grail]

Flamethrower doesn't really need any aim, which is my issue with it...cause I'm already not good at aiming, but I wanna use stuff that teaches me and makes me better at it... not that I shame anyone for using it...

[slow linden]

The no aim thing is my issue,I'd rather they make it a napalm beam weapon but at the same time they'd have to make its only limit on range how far you can arc the stream with gravity

Minigun despite its spread requires nearly perfect aim at longer ranges

[graceful grail]

most annoying stuff ive ever seen is always a minigun supported by two healbeams at once...it scares me...

[slow linden]

Oh that's horrifying

[graceful grail]

thats not a heavy anymore, thats some avengers level threat

but like...the most op thing i ever saw was once in powershift...two miniguns, switching between meshing for the other and firing and three healbeams that also put glitch traps and APSs on the platform...that shit was unbreakable

[slow linden]

That minigun strat is pretty common,I like minigun stacking with my boys

[unkempt moss]

The flamethrower isn’t a weapon you need aim with, though it does require some tracking. It’s a weapon that wins with positioning and gadget usage. It’s far more difficult to use effectively than a majority of the heavy weapons.

[slow linden]

On this we agree

[unkempt moss]

I’d also say it’s one that requires decent movement as you dont have the DPS against most other weapons.

[slow linden]

I'd still prefer they rework it into a proper flamethrower

Leaving fire on surfaces,beam weapon,instead we get a propane burning torch

[unkempt moss]

The problem with making flamethrower decent is that it’ll crush all the dumbass light players. It already does, but it’ll increase the percentage of dumbasses that are losing to it. Meaning they will flood the discord even more than they do.

[slow linden]

True

[unkempt moss]

When thinking of buffs for weapons it has to pass the DAL test. Are dumbass lights going to have to get better at the game with this change? If yes, it cannot enter the game.

[slow linden]

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for more,just keep calling them shit and they'll block you or just cry about it

[unkempt moss]

Embark sees that lights are the most played, most losing class. They only focus on the most played part. They can’t forsake their largest player base. Just how it is. They gotta have a paycheck

[slow linden]

You're referring to the players who only play light because light excells at low elo play and they'll never in a million years see past silver 2 in both ranked and world tour without being carried yes?

[unkempt moss]

We could have a lot of cool things if lights weren’t just brainless. Look at the sword posting lately. My heavy player that loves melee tried out the new sword and was smoking people in ranked. It’s not bad, it’s just not as brainless as it was.

[unkempt moss]

Somewhere in their metrics thats what they learned.

[slow linden]

Yeah honestly more people need to play all the classes tbh

At this point I've started asking for things that I know they will cry about but are really cool for the sake of ragebait

[unkempt moss]

That’s fine. I just salt post in here all the time. There’s a lot of things that would be awesome to add.

I do respect the light grind though. Spending more time in the discord crying than playing has shifted the game in their favor more and more every season. It’s kind of impressive, really.

[slow linden]

Earlier I was asking for them to give heavy this

The mark 19 grenade machinegun

[slow linden]

The only justified crying was about the cloak nerfs and dagger nerf and I've seen not one soul truly crying about either

[tender python]

what is better right now the xp or the m11

[dusky field]

Xp

[slow linden]

Xp by a landslide

[shell sentinel]

lmaoooooo

lmaooo

i love the finals

[unkempt moss]

Mounted weapons like this would be amazing. Or a like a mounted machine gun with a shield on the front.

[slow linden]

Not mounted,carryable

Look up fallout new vegas grenade machine gun

[unkempt moss]

I want it to be both. I want the alt fire to be setting up on a mount for better accuracy.

[kindred knot]

The best thing that could come to the finals would be a medeival sword and shield skin for the riot shield

i would spend all of my money on it

[unkempt moss]

The best thing would probably be better servers tbh

I’d go back to spending money on the game religiously.

[kindred knot]

yeah fair, im being hyperbolic

[unkempt moss]

Hopefully they go in on better servers when they start blowing money on the esports nonsense. It’ll look real bad to have some of this stuff happen in tournament. Embarrassing even.

[slow linden]

You'd have to get a damage reduction boost when in a mounted state or something,if you stand still for a split second anything in this game will atomize you

[unkempt moss]

Nah, I trust that medium and light players are dumb enough to stand in front of it and shoot the no hurty spot. Then come in and complain about it.

[slow linden]

Yeah no one goes for heads anymore

I pretty much exclusively go for heads when I use the minigun

I think all weapons,the actual models of the weapons should be bullet proof

[acoustic adder]

What is your guys recommended loadout for medium I am getting back into the finals again

[slow linden]

Akm,turret,glitch trap,aps,motion sensors

[acoustic adder]

Cool cool I’ll give it a go

Thanks @slow linden

[slow linden]

It's stupid simple enjoy

[hardy dust]

Demat,fcar,defib,jump,frag

Very easy and quite decent

[exotic skiff]

as medium you need always pad and defib then the last gadget take what you like

For weapons : fcar, famas, cerberus, pike

[clever sleet]

bring back the SWORD!!!

[haughty ferry]

swords still in the game its just reasonably balanced now

[haughty ferry]

evasive dash, m134 minigun, defib, gateway and of course dome shield

sonar grenade is a good alternative to the defib if you plan to go more aggressive very helpful for gathering information on the enemy team yk

[rough ivy]

When’s the stun gun coming back

[hardy dust]

Probably next update

[royal pier]

Idk how people can consider something as RNG as the minigun to be meta.

[unkempt moss]

Discord cancel

[haughty ferry]

Thats like saying "Idk why people think the cerberus is meta its not very good at medium to longer ranges"

[serene glade]

sounds like a new salvatore tech

[hardy dust]

Because it's stupid good when you use it right

The rng part of it only exists when you use it wrong

[unkempt moss]

That’ll teach you to give your opinion here, fella

[royal pier]

It has bloom lol

Note I didn't say it was bad, but there will always be times where you have your crosshair placed perfectly and get a different ttk than the time before.

[royal pier]

Except the Cerb has a consistent pattern, so not like it at all.

[unkempt moss]

Bennyboy, please.

[unreal pond]

so invis is significantly harder to see when standing still but how long do you have to stand still for it to take effect?

[strong pendant]

like half a second

[opal crow]

I don't play much heavy but this gun fuckin rips, fun weapon

[slender bear]

Hopping over someone to go back to lasering them is nasty work

[amber ermine]

can we get people showcasing the engimo and alfa acta arn sponsor skins? cause all I see on YouTube is the ospuze one

[eager wasp]

w ospuze

[rancid isle]

https://youtu.be/O41-AN_k-ts just made this, i dont use AA so some of the lines on it look a little blurry, pretty sure they clean up a bit with antialiasing though !

[graceful grail]

Honestly...running pure support medium with healbeam, defib, jumppad and zipline is pretty fun...and not even that ineffective despite lacking offensive stuff...and you can move that gear (your heavy) up very well...and you can be useful otherwise if your aim isn't aiming again

[north shard]

Personally I like the enigmo and skin more than the opusr but both are cool

[amber ermine]

legend

[north shard]

Thanks

[amber ermine]

the alfa acta one almost looks exactly like the one in the last page of the battlepass

[obsidian nexus]

loads into tdm

everyone and their mother playing xp54 light