💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hallow leaf]

Yet both of those buffs basically did nothing to help them

[astral cedar]

Nah not in terms of changing the meta

[hallow leaf]

But at least riot has better damage then dual blades

[astral cedar]

but dual blades buffs this season are straight up solid and imo put it better than shield

[royal thicket]

I did some testing with a friend. In S4, you could stand diagonal to block bullets. Now you have go stand in a full 90 to 70 degree angle

[hallow leaf]

5 hits with dual blade is 290 damage, 5 hits with riot is 450 damage

Riot has more consistent and better damage than dual blades and riot also doesn't punish you for finishing the combo

[royal thicket]

Dual blades hit with more then double the speed of the shield

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades need their damage on the last attack at least doubled

[astral cedar]

5 melee attacks with dual blades not killing heavy sounds super wrong

[hallow leaf]

Exactly

Idk why the damage goes 50x2-60x2-70 when it should be 50x2-60x2-70x2

[plain wasp]

Those 5 melee hits are also in 3 attacks

[astral cedar]

Oh

Why are you counting it that way and not how many times you press lmb

[royal thicket]

Misinformation gambit

[plain wasp]

5 actual attacks is enough to kill a heavy

[astral cedar]

That’s what I was saying 😭

[hallow leaf]

Because they technically count the first set as 2 attacks

[plain wasp]

That 50x2 60x2 70 + 50x2 + 60x2
Or
100+120+70+100+120

[astral cedar]

Technically correct the best kind of correct

[plain wasp]

The 3rd attack should still be better tho

[hallow leaf]

Still the damage on the last attack needs doubled and riot shield should get a shield bash

[royal thicket]

It‘s like comparing the pike to the ak and saying “omg the pike only needs three hits to kill a light while the ak needs 8 ak is so much worse“

[astral cedar]

i think they messed up adding 2 damage reduction melees. Riot shield should’ve been the only one and dual blades the damage dealer/kill weapon

[hallow leaf]

With no way of slowing someone, if the dual blades didn't block then you would never catch anyone

[plain wasp]

It's because med should generally be mid range and as we see with the model them having super effective close range kinda breaks the game

[hallow leaf]

Medium melee should just get a passive movement speed buff at all times when not blocking

[astral cedar]

It’s straight up desync and inconsistency keeping those weapons from being absurd, iirc someone in #medium-build-main posted clips of riot shield on really low latency with no desync and it was blocking everything easily

[royal thicket]

Right now dual blades are better than the shield in every aspect. They don‘t want the riot shield in the game I‘m telling you

[hallow leaf]

I hate the whole "med shouldn't have any close range weapons" argument it's so dumb

[astral cedar]

Yeah part of why I wished they made it more vulnerable and gave us cc instead

[hallow leaf]

Light and heavy both have cc med should get cc as well

[plain wasp]

Not that they shouldn't have any but they shouldn't outclass the weapons of heavy

[astral cedar]

I think medium has super effective close range right now bar the hard counters and inconsistency

[hallow leaf]

Medium deserves a frost grenade

[astral cedar]

I still think medium close range is good especially with cerb also here

[hallow leaf]

And it should be medium only

[hallow leaf]

The cerb feels like shit to use imo

[astral cedar]

Iirc even old model didn’t win the ttk race vs heavy but they often did because it’s easier to move around and hit targets with model

[royal thicket]

Model was strong because everything else is got nerfed and comparing a melee weapon with a (for shotguns at least) high range shotgun doesn’t make any sort of sense

[hallow leaf]

It needs a tighter spread or something, currently that gun just sucks

And the pyro effect feels so damn inconsistent

[astral cedar]

Now current model is like buffed cl40 where it does lose the ttk race on paper but with movement and a bit of range you can often win anyways

[plain wasp]

It's good in the team comps that make it effective, as a supportive weapon and not just a kill everything you see weapon

[astral cedar]

Cerb is in a super delicate spot rn, any buffs or changes outside of reload would need to be complete reworks or it starts entering old model zone

[royal thicket]

Why not steal the stun gun from light? It‘s annoying on light and wouldn’t be op for med in any way

[hallow leaf]

All it needs is a tight spread

[astral cedar]

100 extra HP is kinda important

[hallow leaf]

Because lights cry enough as it is, if you took something away from them you would never hear the end of it

[astral cedar]

Maybe just me but tighter spread on cerb would make model look pretty bad

[hallow leaf]

But I do agree that med should get stun gun or any of the new gadgets

[astral cedar]

The spread is legit the major reason its effective range is like 7m, their damage falloff and % damage retention is similar

[hallow leaf]

Either one of the new gadgets would have helped their melee but nope med apparently doesn't get any slowing items

That's reserved for light and heavy only and med gets no cc

[astral cedar]

Yeah I think the dynamic is fucked the way they have it now

[hallow leaf]

But one thing the support class does get is their movement nerfed or their support nerfed

At this point they need to stop calling medium the support class

[astral cedar]

you can’t fight dual bladers, I was in a WT game and my team with no charge heavy just couldn’t fight them indoors—didn’t have the space for it

it was a triple med team with x2 dual blades any indoor cashout was so good for them

My issue with medium melee is needing really lame hard counters to kill decent users 😭light and heavy can at least be shot at from the jump

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades are really easy to counter, once they get in melee range just hip fire and I promise you any automatic weapon will kill them before they kill you

[astral cedar]

On heavy maybe

[hallow leaf]

Even on light and medium

[heavy tusk]

Give Medium a concussion/force grenade that does low damage and pushes things. It would give Medium it's own gravity throwable and could work for melee by throwing it ahead or behind cover

[royal thicket]

Gap closing for different classes
(class specific)

Light: movement, dash, invis, vanishing bomb, maybe even grapple, the stun gun and the new vortex

Heavy: Winch, charge, rpg, goo gun and the lockbolt.

Medium:

[astral cedar]

It’s 2 melees to kill a light, if I didn’t have dash i don’t think it makes sense to play with fire like that

[hallow leaf]

That and a frost grenade that slows

[astral cedar]

when I used dual blades there were very many lights that died this way by choosing to engage, the smartest ones just didn’t and kept out of my range

[hallow leaf]

Your best bet as a medium melee is goo grenade

[crystal garnet]

Just me or is the Famas the best AR compared to AK and FCAR?

[astral cedar]

Maybe if you never miss a bullet and have really really good tracking at super close range

[astral cedar]

Nah it is the best AR factually

[hallow leaf]

Goo grenade is a must for catching people with med melee

[heavy tusk]

That works too. Goo kind of fills that niche already, but a gradual slow buildup like how burn works could be different enough. Just worried it would make M-H-M comps even stronger than they already are

[hallow leaf]

I just want an aoe frost impact that slows people

But the key points is what ever slowing gadget medium should get better be medium exclusive

[royal thicket]

Not class specific and I bet you five bucks sledge and swords players are gonna have a mental breakdown if they would have to use goo nade as gap closer for even one match

[hallow leaf]

I agree

Medium has zip which imo is the best of the two for horizontal speed to try and catch people

[heavy tusk]

It just can't be so unbearably slow that spears mulch the entire server

[hallow leaf]

But the downside with both zip and jump is the enemy also benefits from them

While stuff like stun gun and the new gadgets the enemy can't benefit from them

[heavy tusk]

I've been saying the zipline should have a despawn similar to the turret

[astral cedar]

Just hoping embark realizes there’s more ways to support a team

[hallow leaf]

But still the zip and jump pad nerf was UNCALLED FOR

[astral cedar]

we have healing beam whatever, defib which is whatever, and then real shit like aps and movement items

[hallow leaf]

aps got nerfed into Oblivion

[astral cedar]

medium should be the deployment class but we haven’t gotten much and explosive mines got nerfed and are already available on heavy

[hallow leaf]

Also explosive mines need two charges back, those things are so useless now

You have to pair them with another mine just to make them useful

[astral cedar]

why don’t we add bonus health or reload speed or extra ammo or anything else for teammates

[fickle radish]

Medium Is kinda fine, doesn't need to be the deployment player. I don't want medium to become a TF2 engineer wannabe

[astral cedar]

Poison/fire resistance? Gas clearing? Anything else to support the team? Let’s expand embark

[astral cedar]

Doesn’t have to but really I just want anything, we ain’t got shit since s2

[hallow leaf]

Medium should get 2 new turrets to really push them into the support role, one being and armor turret and the other being a healing turret that functions like the aps and you need to be in their zone

[plain wasp]

Give med the wind guster from zelda

[fickle radish]

It gives health, movement and support to the team. It's fine. Problem rn is that every class is losing his characteristic elements

[astral cedar]

we just disagree on fine
I think it’s fine but not very creative since season 2 which only dropped 1 special and 1 gadget anyways

you can say light hasn’t gotten a special since S1 but has been getting continuous gadgets

[heavy tusk]

I wonder if a CNS themed ability like Damage Rewind or a buff aura would work. Something that makes sticking to the Medium and placing yourself well with your team a clear benefit

[fickle radish]

It hasn't received anything on the last season but does not means that it's not good. Is the only class that still works even without any update

[hallow leaf]

And continuous buffs, the devs love to kiss lights ass

[plain wasp]

Air could be an interesting "element" to add to the finals alongside goo/fire/gas/smoke and could have interactions with each as well as propelling people hit with it as a grenade form

[fickle radish]

I'm not saying that it should stay as it is rn uh. Medium is really boring rn

[astral cedar]

never said it’s not good either just really uninspired

whatever new we get doesn’t need to be deployment either but holy smokes just something else to play with would be nice

[hallow leaf]

I just hope mediums next gadget is a cc gadget

[plain wasp]

The next 2 seasons will likely give both med and light a weapon and gadget each as well as what they didn't get this season

[astral cedar]

Since it’s been getting nerfed since inception because it was too busted
Now we’re finally more in-line because we didn’t get a broken new weapon this season

[fickle radish]

Why not adding built in elements to every class. Like integrate defib to medium and one distinctive gadget also for light and heavy. It would open up at list more variety on the gadgets. Kinda annoying that now on medium you only have one free gadget slot cause you are forced to play defib + jump/zip

[heavy tusk]

What about a TF2 Rocket Jumper in the form of those air bazookas?

[hallow leaf]

And I hope with this seasons mid season update we see a buff to both of mediums melee

[fickle radish]

It was a dps and they nerfed it to being only support class. Then it became support class and they nerfed it to a way weaker support class

Maybe is just medium that is too perfect and other classes are just bad idk lol

[vale obsidian]

that would look so silly lol

[astral cedar]

with the movement cooldown nerfs I’ve been considering double movement for the first time

[plain wasp]

I want a new spec for light that is a grenade launcher that is used for movement

[astral cedar]

the cd on pad really mattered for my gameplay once I had to play with it

[hallow leaf]

Believe it or not goo is a great movement gadget

[vale obsidian]

i want a spec that is just another weapon slot
it kindda only work on light tho

[astral cedar]

I’ve been running goo to mostly to replace defib

[fickle radish]

Goo is the only gadget I use on medium

[heavy tusk]

Well obviously give it a good design. That thing is a garbage can and some plastic wrap. I was thinking something like an RPG-22 with an air canister you reload once it's off cooldown

[hallow leaf]

Goo + smoke is the ultimate bunker combo

You shal not burn by goo fort

[royal thicket]

Well everyone‘s talking about adding something from TF2, I would like to suggest adding pyros jetpack for medium

[astral cedar]

Someone had an idea of this earlier and I’m paraphrasing here, but you’d switch to something like cl40 with 4 shots max but more destruction damage and lower direct damage, and after using all 4 shots it enters cd. You have to empty the entire mag/all the shells because it won’t reload otherwise

[fickle radish]

Don't have space for both

[vale obsidian]

nothing top frag trapping in satisfaction tho xD

[hallow leaf]

A jetpack spec for medium would be great

[plain wasp]

Smoke+gas is something

[hallow leaf]

Smoke + gas mines

[plain wasp]

I think they should add new things mid season instead of exclusively when going to a new one

And there just aren't enough balance changes every update

[vale obsidian]

people don't bring fire tho?
(and people are not smart enough to carry a berral)

[hallow leaf]

I wish, but until they make medium fun again we always have marvel rivals

[royal thicket]

Ik right? It would work for many different playstyles and could be used as an escape tool as well while still being a funny way of gap closing

[hallow leaf]

I miss season 1 balance updates, if we didn't get balance changes every week is was every other week

[heavy tusk]

I mainly went with the Rocket Jumper because it's something that would show up well on the HUD and you get more control of your angle compared to the jetpack, but to be honest i'd take any super jump equipment Embark cooks up at this point

[plain wasp]

Like if they're making lots of changes it'd be easy to revert in the next update

It's only a week of things being too powerful

[hallow leaf]

Yeah but that would mean the balance team would have to work and they have shown that they obviously really hate working

[plain wasp]

Then the benefit becomes we get balance changes that make the game better and the ones that make it worse are reverted quickly

[hallow leaf]

They work like one week every 2 months

[vale obsidian]

lot of change also keep thing fresh too
but it dose cluttered/mess with the stat that embark most likely are tracking so idk

[plain wasp]

A week of gameplay from everyone playing every week would be a bit

More changes making the game fresh also means more players to gather data from

[hallow leaf]

At the very least monthly balance fixes or even better bi-weekly

[plain wasp]

They're too scared to make big changes anymore

[hallow leaf]

We get lucky to get balance changes once a season which really fucking sucks

[plain wasp]

The last big change was the cashout game rule changes

That was like s2

[hallow leaf]

You can basically check in at the start of the season and see what changes they did, and if they changes are shit (spoiler alert they probably will be) then you can wait for the next season to come back

[royal thicket]

They changed so much back then, now it‘s a small buff or nerf for a few weapons every season and that‘s it

[plain wasp]

Maybe I should get a job working for embark to fix the game

[hallow leaf]

Or they over buff a weapon so they can count nerfing it 2 weeks later as their big balance change

Cough cough lh1 and cl-40

[plain wasp]

Don't forget adding a charge and doubling the cooldown

Smoke should get 4 charges and a 1.5 minute cooldown

[ashen hawk]

ik im not saying that they shouldnt use breach

[hallow leaf]

Then after nerfing those weapons they call it quits for the rest of the season and effectively didn't change shit

[plain wasp]

Pike on release:

[royal thicket]

Well after that the weapon has always entered a pretty balanced state so why not buff riot shield into being completely op for two weeks to make it balanced (definitely not biased suggestion)

[hallow leaf]

Just goes to prove my point

[ashen hawk]

Oh ye i forgot abt the new gadget sorry myb
but goo grenade is for everyone. im talking abt only light gadgets, like vanish and breach

[plain wasp]

When is the bundle of rope gadget getting added that let's me hogtie heavies and strap them to the cashout

[hallow leaf]

Also medium cl-40 should do more destruction damage, we should be able to break walls with it

[covert parcel]

8 shots

[plain wasp]

That takes a minute

[hallow leaf]

That's too many

[covert parcel]

fr

[plain wasp]

Should be like 6 so 3 mags can break 2 things

[hallow leaf]

That's why I said it should do more destruction damage I didn't say that it didn't do any destruction damage

[plain wasp]

Or wait it's 5 now so

[royal thicket]

You reminded me of riot shield not blocking explosives, now I‘m sad

[hallow leaf]

It blocks flash though

[plain wasp]

Hey don't worry they made Pyro not stick to it after 4 seasons!

[hallow leaf]

Riot should block flame thrower

[royal thicket]

With this rate, riot shield won‘t be bugfree in season XX

[vale obsidian]

what about my minigun idea for heavy spec

100 boolet, high destruction power
can't reload but the bullet get refill by 1 bullet every 1 second

[plain wasp]

Give heavy og tachanka turret

[hallow leaf]

Na give heavy a cannon or ballista

[royal thicket]

How much damage per bullet, what firerate

[plain wasp]

Or make it so light can jump on a heavies back and control them like a turret

[covert parcel]

we have a backup weapon for a spec already

[vale obsidian]

just what you would expect form a minigun

[covert parcel]

its called charge and slam, and it throws off the flow of a fight

very fun to have a 130 kill finisher even tho they missed half their bullets as a panic button

[hallow leaf]

Yes and it's a free no skill panic button that does at least 130 damage

[plain wasp]

Don't forget they also have the 100 damage kill finisher

[royal thicket]

According to google the minigun could fire 3 seconds max

[covert parcel]

having 2 guns throws off the ttk flow, make the minigun a primary weapon in line with lewis/m60 but somewhat unique

[vale obsidian]

on first hit too
so they can keep missing their charge and on the last possible moment that the charge aboout to end, hit you for 130 anyways

[covert parcel]

to be fair the game isnt realistic we could do whatever they want

ie fake stats

[plain wasp]

Minigun could be balanced in not able to move while shooting and forced to shoot a minimum amount of bullets

[royal thicket]

Before we give heavy a second weapon give medium a trash pistol as a gadget

[vale obsidian]

i don't want that cus it just make the minigun, THE Highest dps gun in any game, just another heavy lmg but no reload
that why i make it reload itself over time so it can have it high moment without being too op

[hallow leaf]

I would love to see medium get the Monowire or mantis blades from cyberpunk

[covert parcel]

just make it not high DPS, we already have a weapon as a spec and its called chargeNslam

[vale obsidian]

and for the ttk, it would have a really long hoster time anyways

[covert parcel]

as every gun is

[plain wasp]

Medium would be more fit for mantis blades monowire is light

[vale obsidian]

BUT ITS NOT MINIGUN

[royal thicket]

He‘s not wrong tbf

[plain wasp]

And of course heavy gets gorilla fists

[hallow leaf]

And the Rocket arm for heavy (Projectile Launch System)

[slow linden]

Maybe a bit of damage? Not really much else it could do without being a little crazy

[plain wasp]

Projectile launch system is not cool compared to punching people and knocking their head off

[royal thicket]

Again, don‘t give heavy a second gun before giving medium a pistol as a gadget

[unique swallow]

Revert fucking Sword and SH1900 I'm tired of this META slop now

[vale obsidian]

hah?
why pistol for med?

[sand monolith]

You are just wrong no offense. HML is almost always the best or 2nd best comp at top level play right now purely because of how much utility and teamplay light has

[hallow leaf]

So what, just give heavy the gorilla arms then?

[royal thicket]

I‘m thinking a trash pistol. 4 bullets, low range, low damage, pretty high reload speed and the mag needs to with cooldown

[vale obsidian]

as a kill clean up tool?

[slow linden]

Be funny if the pistol healed 50 health a shot

[royal thicket]

Why? Because med melee needs at least some form of gap closing. Heavy has the rpg so why don‘t we have a pistol?

[toxic plover]

@slow linden maybe use it once to connect, use it again to make it real it in super fast?

[hallow leaf]

Medium needs cc not a damage item like a pistol

[royal thicket]

Ok. What‘s on your mind? Would like to hear new ideas

[vale obsidian]

i think a spec that is a passive buff would be better for melee
like on melee hit give them a sight speed boost for a short time or something

[hallow leaf]

A frost impact that slows or a blast grenade that knocks people back

[slow linden]

Could work,double the tether would mean double the speed and hold

[royal thicket]

Would the frost stay like gas or fire or would it be one blast and that‘s it?

[plain wasp]

Air grenade

[vale obsidian]

i remember drawing that idea before
let see if i can find it

[hallow leaf]

I would say it would stay in the area for like 2-5 sec

[slow linden]

I'd actually kinda fuck with that,maybe it'd shoot syringes full of gas

[royal thicket]

Fart in a jar terraria lore

[vale obsidian]

i love that i was the first to come up with this idea lol

[toxic plover]

I think I may be on to something. Maybe you have to deploy it like a APS turret, and then fire it?

[plain wasp]

Slippery is more fun than slowing

[slow linden]

Like mount it?

[toxic plover]

Who all gets it

[toxic plover]

Like you have to mount it, then aim and shoot it, then interact with it to pull

[hallow leaf]

But a slow would be more beneficial to melee than having them slip, them slipping could actually be counter productive

[slow linden]

They should give medium a old timey Gatling gun like that

[plain wasp]

Yeah slippery isn't as effective for that purpose but it's much more fun to play against

[vale obsidian]

i remember i was going to write "-20% slow on direct hit" but theres no space :P

[toxic plover]

I main goo gun so yeah sure fuck it

[hallow leaf]

Or here is an idea, give medium an ender pearl

[plain wasp]

I like the idea that it slows on hit but then becomes a slippery area

[toxic plover]

Give it to Heavy. I'm trynna be Jason Vorhess up in here with the sledge

[hallow leaf]

Heavy melee doesn't need any help

[royal thicket]

I think passive perks that every class can use would be cool like melee hits applying stun for 0.5 seconds or having 25 more hp, more movement speed, taking less damage from fire or gas, being able to do more damage with the quick melee or reloading faster, the possibilities are endless

[hallow leaf]

That shit is fine where it's at

[plain wasp]

Just give heavy a chainsaw

[toxic plover]

Don't care

[vale obsidian]

slow is never fun
also slippery surface give counter play for both side. ofc the thrower will always have the advantage cus they are the one chooseing to throw

[slow linden]

Maybe you'd have to mount it to be able to shoot more than two tether,can't ads while its in your hands,the ads button is how you place it,you can ads while it's mounted

[hallow leaf]

It might not be fun but if light have heavy both have movement stopping gadgets medium should get one as well

[plain wasp]

Medium melee is more defense oriented for a reason

[slow linden]

A man of culture,try with flamethrower

[vale obsidian]

woe woe woe
i agree with you but that "stun for 0.5seconds" line

[toxic plover]

I would love to goo the line to make a bridge for teammates on suspended structures, then activate it to destroy it instantly

[hallow leaf]

Then why is it so shit

[toxic plover]

I have. It's nasty too but sledge just feels....mmmm

[vale obsidian]

cus people use the defense oriented weapon to smack people

[plain wasp]

A team of 3 dual blades with heal beams in a close quarters room would not ever lose

[royal thicket]

Yeah ok that would be kinda op. Maybe less stun or just glitch for a short duration

[slow linden]

Sledge good,in good place,spear needs it's spinning stance reworked into a javelin throw

[plain wasp]

I got teamwiped by one spear spin the other day

We were trying to steal last second for context

[vale obsidian]

also imo i think flame thrower need a right click mode that give it more range

[plain wasp]

Let it shoot out fuel that can be lit on fire later

[royal thicket]

Then why can people still shoot my feet when I block with the shield?

[vale obsidian]

at the cost of not very good dps and prolly eat throw ammo

[plain wasp]

It's not that easy to hit toes

Also heavy should just get the drg driller weapons

[royal thicket]

Get lasered 24/7 when using rmb block. If you can‘t hit them at all it‘s probably a skill issue tbh

[vale obsidian]

as weapon?

[royal thicket]

Why not steal from tf2 again?

[royal thicket]

Then why did they buff the damage and worsened the blocking?

[vale obsidian]

cus people use the defense oriented weapon to smack people
and not use it like a defense oriented weapon

https://tenor.com/view/money-make-it-rain-gif-26525310

[loud aurora]

to be honest no matter what they will do with dual blades i love them

I love using them to defend a teammate when he's stealing

my fav weapon

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/based-sigma-ryan-gosling-ironic-gif-7777846084008282349

[loud aurora]

thx

[royal thicket]

History shows that Embark doesn’t like defensive heavy playstyles so why would you think that?

[loud aurora]

i have some cool clips but unfortunately i'm bad at this game XD

[deep birch]

my fav weapon hands down will always be the sledgehammer because i have room temperature IQ and my monkey brain activates when i am given a big stick to hit things with

[loud aurora]

I can say that I prefer using it as a defensive weapon but there are days where I'm just mad an life and want to smack some humans around

[vale obsidian]

embark work in mysterious ways 🤷‍♂️
also prolly people complaining about how bad med melee is so they buff it killing power (the only thing people see in a weapon)

[royal thicket]

They nerfed mesh and dome shield so no, I don’t think it was because people complained

[loud aurora]

Oh so I don't want to be mean BUT I got a 27 kills before the update so its more of a skill issue

[royal thicket]

Also riot shield heavily depends on the ability to block so nerfing this stat just makes it worse as a damage dealer

[vale obsidian]

honestly real, med melee is bad but it aint THAT Bad like some people thought

[loud aurora]

besides this weapon excels at picking fight and using enemy stupidity

[royal thicket]

But I agree on one thing. Embark truly works in mysterious ways

[loud aurora]

most of my lights kills on duals are from reflecting they are too fast to stab

[vale obsidian]

it dosn't a line with embark original vision is the best guess i have
but they really should've keep the original shield cus god damn are they fun and god damn do they suck now

[royal thicket]

If the light shot enough bullets at blocking dual blades to die from it there IQ must be compatible to the one of a rock

[loud aurora]

well depends on light's weapon

when i get permission to send videos i can send some funny clips

[vale obsidian]

im not denying that they are dumb but in their defenses:
in the heat of the moment when a duel blade guy running into you and you need to kill him before they kill you
the first thing they reasonably do is shoot

[loud aurora]

ye

[vale obsidian]

and just hope for the best cus in the heat of the moment (for me atleast) brain for some reason just dosn't allowed me to think

[loud aurora]

i can see the panic in their movement 😈

[vale obsidian]

always so funny lmao

[royal thicket]

Still nothing more than proof of Darwins theory

[loud aurora]

XDDDD

[vale obsidian]

yo can i borrow your physics text book so i can see wtf Darwins theory is?

[loud aurora]

But still I have the most fun when any player with a gun emptied a mag on me and then comes close to me thinking he has a chance to kill me with quick melee.

[royal thicket]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism

[vale obsidian]

same for me with the cl40 too
people always rush at me trying to get me to do self damage when they literally run in a straight line
i always kill them before they get close

[loud aurora]

if you could have a secondary weapon, a pistol or something else i would be happy but balancing that could be a nightmare

[vale obsidian]

secondary really don't belong in this game

but if balance right it dose have a place imo

[loud aurora]

mid grenade launcher?

my second fav weapon

but stoped playing with it after the masive buff

[vale obsidian]

but they revert that last season already

[loud aurora]

oh

[vale obsidian]

no not last season
it alot longer then that i think

[loud aurora]

didn't notice i was feeling really bad when using it

so many undeserved kills

[vale obsidian]

bc it only change some direct hit breck point

it make killing heavy take 3 bullet

(no change to light or med shot to kill)

[loud aurora]

why did they even buff it in the first place it was fine

if i understand correctly now i has more damage but less splash

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/rapidtulip647-rt6-close-up-meme-memes-gif-9740082850484427817

[loud aurora]

but while we are on the topic of duals

the rolling pins skin is a nerf

you see WAY less while blocking

and it's kinda depressing

[vale obsidian]

pay to lose lol

[loud aurora]

ye kinda

I will still play with it but kinda sad

[slow linden]

I managed to get the free katana skin for them when they came out

Kinda clean

[loud aurora]

well i had a break from the game then

[slow linden]

Unfortunate

You can't get it anymore,wish you'd had the chance

[jolly bison]

Add a four-barreled Derringer to the gadget slot, I beg you.

[loud aurora]

i was playing in
Jan
Feb
break and i came back
Sep
Oct
Nov
Dec
till now

[slow linden]

Yes

[jolly bison]

Any melee character can be countered by zap light, you need a counter pick that won't suffer from it.

[loud aurora]

no i don't agree

i have many times got zaped when plaing with duals

and I rarely die to it

[jolly bison]

What is your lobby rank?

[loud aurora]

world tour ?

[jolly bison]

Dude…

[loud aurora]

i don't play this kinds of games often

I'm more of a strategy games player

the finals is the only fps pvp game i play

and one of like 3 fps's

[jolly bison]

Mate, in this game, in a competitive context, they tend to favor the principle of "rock, paper, scissors."

[loud aurora]

well most games

in this sezon right now i'm gold 3 last sezon it was platinum 1? idk I dont play much

and I dont play normal ranked

[jolly bison]

No buddy, you just said about dual swords, that's why I asked about the rating.

No dude. XD

[loud aurora]

im dum

I main duals

it's the weapon i have the most fun with

[loud aurora]

most light run away after getting them-self low by:
being to close and the dual blades dash thing kicks in
shooting me while I'm blocking

Or they just die

[jolly bison]

This is a relatively bad weapon, in terms of balance. You might feel the pain when you start getting Zap from skillful lights. It's literally a meta gadget. (I'm a light main myself, it doesn't need a nerf, it needs a counterbalance)

[loud aurora]

well yes I know even tho Im not that sharp i can see the obvious

when we are playing a custom game with friend we have some weapons banned not because they are op but it's just not fun to fight against

and zap is one of them

[dapper pelican]

yooo

lets go trying to get the vc option

[plain wasp]

It's a bit easier to hit feet with an automatic weapon than it is with an LH1

[royal thicket]

Yeah true u got a point

[loud aurora]

also am i the only one who after reading this:
"ShAK-50: A heavy-hitting rifle for the Heavy that fires two bullets per shot, delivering immense stopping power with each pull of the trigger."
thought that heavy was getting a sniper like weapon perhaps something like pike or LH1

[plain wasp]

It does 30 damage with each trigger pull which is more than most weapons, but yeah it isn't exactly what I expected

[boreal laurel]

I’m the exact same—I play mostly strategy games but I make an exception for this game

[loud aurora]

and I have a weak spot for colony sim's np rimworld

[pallid moth]

Should I swap to duals from riot

[loud aurora]

i thinks so

[pallid moth]

Gimme your pros and cons

[loud aurora]

i use riot only to make other angry by being annoying

[loud aurora]

ok give me like 10 min

[pallid moth]

Bet

[boreal laurel]

Shield is better for survivability; DB are better at actual fighting. Plus DB is the only weapon you can use to make people kill themselves, so high cheese potential 😈

[pallid moth]

Interested in the cheese 🤔

Also I like melee in this game so much but maybe the deflect will help improve aim?

[loud aurora]

So I like to think like this there are 3 types of weapons: melee , ranged and gimmicks

so for mele i beleave that dual blades are in the midle betwen lights sword (demage) and riot (defence)

*in regular match i don't think you nead the amound of defence riot can provide
*i have frequently killed with dual block something you cant do with riot
*you can see way more
*blades destroy riot in 1v1
@pallid moth

[pallid moth]

@ me when you respond

Can we have it so melee weapons can be used in the opposite hand?? This would add a fun mix up in line with guns having different sights

[royal thicket]

Riot shield would be so f**king back

[loud aurora]

@pallid moth

[ashen hawk]

Umm sorry i dont remember saying that HML isnt the best, but lol ok
And saying someone is wrong is wild, anyone ever told you that u make the weirdest and most zero-logic statements in this whole server??

[vale obsidian]

Da fk you mean zero logic
That guy my goat bro

[sand monolith]

HML has been in the meta of top level play since season 3. Purely due to lights teamplay gadgets lol

[frank quarry]

when the new mgl-32 skin release?

[amber cloak]

Never

[cunning kettle]

Trent is kinda stupid like that

[cyan orbit]

Light is kind of lacking in teamplay gadgets except for the new portal gadget and the the old portal gadget and the invisi-bomb

I feel like heavy is the best for team-play gadgets

[sand monolith]

Glitch and stun are both fight winners

Gateway is insane for plug meta

[wanton gorge]

Pls nerf the Guardian turret its way to over powerd

[amber cloak]

It really ain't Lil bro. Just move out of it's line of sight or goo it or shoot it

[sand monolith]

Or throw smoke at it

[amber cloak]

Oh I didn't think about that

[subtle mortar]

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[amber cloak]

Now that I think about it he's probably just rage baiting

[subtle mortar]

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[cyan orbit]

How is breach charge and team play gadget? Also gateway was the old portal i was talking about glitch is worse than glitch trap in every game mode except bank it vanishing bomb was the invisible bomb I was talking about but I don't see stun or thermal bore as it can explode nearby barrels and only has two charges with a sucky ads for its proj. Speed. So I agree that sonar nade, gateway, and vanishing bomb along with the new gravity tool for light are good teamplay gadgets but I don't know about the others

[cyan orbit]

Dps is decent, tracking is insane, but it's heavily counterable, and ppl don't try to remove that possibility of the turret killing you with goo gun, goo nade, smoke nade, any of the glitch stuff among other things

[sand monolith]

Breach charge drops cashouts and opens holes to push through. It’s very viable for if your heavy wants to run double defense gadgets instead of C4.

Glitch nade and trap are completely different. One is more defensive and the other one is used to glitch a whole team and push in on them or to shut down dome and mesh. Stun is great for stunning a target and diving them for a pick, stopping steals, and dropping cashouts for plug meta. Thermal bore isn’t seen too often but it’s a decent pick for suspended on Monaco or Kyoto.

@cyan orbit all of these uses have been seen from top team comps and pro scrims

[cyan orbit]

Granted, sometimes they don't have the ability to do that, but even just running a goo gun heavy completely removes that turret problem

[cyan orbit]

Stun as in the concussion, right? I don't see stun grenade thrown around too often anymore

[sand monolith]

Stun gun

[subtle mortar]

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[cyan orbit]

Oh got it

[sand monolith]

Flashbangs aren’t really seen in meta but honestly I think they’re slept on

[cyan orbit]

I use a vanishing build on light and sometimes use flashback to blind them and cover the sound

[sand monolith]

That’s smart asf

[amber cloak]

Damn that's one way to play the game bro

[cyan orbit]

The ability to shield yourself from them is it's fatal flaw, though??? It doesn't move around like the medium who placed it, and it deals less damage than it, and it also stops shooting relatively as soon as you are no longer visible (i.e. vanishing grenade, or barricade)

[cyan orbit]

I used a similar tactic in bf where I would flash them then rpg them

@subtle mortar you gonna say your piece? I wanna argue more

[subtle mortar]

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[cyan orbit]

The turret can't do that, that is my point

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[cyan orbit]

You can cut off a source of damage for them, similar to glitches

[cyan orbit]

Doesn't matter, after it is thrown, it is stationary, and you can kill it

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[cyan orbit]

After the fight, then you can worry about it, who would prioritize a turret over a medium

Im bronze and even i get that

[subtle mortar]

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[cyan orbit]

Rpg

[subtle mortar]

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[cyan orbit]

Lock bolt to stop you from throwing it

[cyan orbit]

I never said it would be destroyed instantly I was stating ways to avoid that, actually

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[cyan orbit]

I was saying ways to stop it from shooting, however you can weaponize it with enough time if it's isn't your team's turret by going behind a wall after applying a source of knockback to it

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[vale obsidian]

My brother in christ, it do less DPS then quick melee spamming BURH

[cyan orbit]

Qm is 40 a piece

And it is decent for a extra dps option

[vale obsidian]

DPS = Damage Per Second

[cyan orbit]

I understand that

[vale obsidian]

I can tell you as someone who try to do a quick melee only on a new account
It Is Not at all a decent DPS option lol

[cyan orbit]

Not qms 💀 the turret

[vale obsidian]

You said "and" after talking about qm

Anyways the turret dose not need nerf
It's so counterable

If you ever get clutch fighting what effectively a 2v1 just calmly walk back throw the door you mindlessly run throw without listening for the turret beeping

Or even better use that door frame to block off the turret los of you then fight the 1v1

[cyan orbit]

Wait.....

[hallow leaf]

The best counter is medium only and it's Data reshaper and the other really good counter to turret every class has access to and it's called goo grenade, imo the turret is in no need of a nerf atm

[cyan orbit]

@vale obsidian i said that in the very beginning....

[pallid moth]

Good points

[vale obsidian]

Oh I reply to the wrong guy

[cyan orbit]

Lol it's fine imma go have a good day

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[fleet brook]

What does a "fun" heavy look like

[cinder scaffold]

imagine if you could heal beam revive statues to revive from a distance

id imagine it would take longer if you're further away from the statue, but sometimes you just can't get to your dead teammates 😭

[vale obsidian]

Well what is fun to ya?
If it's killing then any weapon, rpg, dome, and what ever let you run it down

[fleet brook]

Well it's more of a question for others

Embark is having trouble keeping heavy fun but not op

[vale obsidian]

Fun for heavy is his bursty impact

All his gatgid do big burst of damage or support

And they can keep it balance by just giving the enemy counter play to all his gatgid

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-simple-its-shrimple-gif-25735431

[royal pier]

My issue with that is when the counterplay is basically set-and-forget/point-and-click.

Demat can circumvent most defensive setups in an instant, can drop the cash out two floors and close up one of them with very little risk. The draw and stow time is functionally non-existent.

Data Reshaper isn't super popular yet, but it's also a case of "pull up an iPad and do something instantly." It's possible that eventually more will realize the potential it has, and Heavy will be pushed into being a Shield Monke again.

Of course, Glitch Trap can instantly disable said shield. Set-and-forget. APS is still strong post-nerf, same deal. I'd like there to be more mechanical depth to Medium, or at least risk.

[vale obsidian]

Yeah it really shouldn't be rock paper scissors

[brave elbow]

On cherche des joueurs français pour jouer chill et tryhard pour rejoindre notre club, dm moi si tes interessé !
We are searching for a french player,s,chill and who wants tryhard to join our club, dm me if you are interested !

[fickle radish]

Learn English first

[royal pier]

I do think that while Charge could use some adjustments (like protection from multihits), the game does need those big impact abilities to avoid the meta becoming rooftop simulator where it's MMM with FAMAS just stalling everyone. Winch can help break up death ball comps where they just run double Heal Beam and take turns ducking in and out of cover. Mesh Shield could help the team close distance, but atm it just melts under focus fire.

Mesh is just not fun to me atm. It doesn't help that the desync is so bad that people can be in front of the shield to you, but are actually just shooting through it when close. A stronger Mesh shield also makes Light's Gitch Nade more powerful. Medium should probably lose Glitch Trap to Heavy (nerf it some though). Maybe Mesh has infinite health, but a set duration. Or, shrink it some so that it's not such an easy target, let the Heavy move a bit faster while using it, but don't let them slide or do anything that enabled the old juggling. At a minimum, let it regen faster when out of combat. Maybe have it regen after 10 seconds like health does.

If we want Light to be relevant to the meta in Gold+ Ranked, they need a role. Atm, embark seems to just want to make them have overtuned guns and Stun, but that falls off in usefulness against highly coordinated teams. Imo, guns should be the tools that finish the fight that gadgets actually won, most of the time. Instead, Light's just use the M11 and Double Barrel to get fairly easy kills on Heavies in less coordinated groups due to how big Heavy is. Way easier to hipfire a build the size of a barn than it is Medium.

[fickle radish]

Why if light instead of being the flanker converts into the utility and support role

Idk but makes more sense to me. Give it good mobility, a bit less DMG but tons of utility like heals, glitch ecc and let medium be the dps and movement giver role and heavy the defensive role

Like it is on most games with classes kinda similar to the finals. Support usually has good evasive movement and decent DMG just enough to survive and run away

[royal pier]

I've been advocating for Light to get the Jump Pad recently. It makes Medium only have Zip, so Light with Gateway and Jump can be the team mobility.

Encourages light to be by their team more, too.

[unborn frigate]

removing jump from med is a bad idea

giving light jump is interesting

[royal pier]

If they both have it, then medium is still the better choice. Heal Beam and Demat are clearly better for teamplay.

[unborn frigate]

but medium is THE support class

or the most supporting class

[fickle radish]

Nah, mobility util should be the only thing to not remove from medium. Light should have other utility like stun, heal and glitch

[vale obsidian]

Light shouldn't have team mobility imo, that's the medium whole shtick.
But I will make an exception for gateway cus it just fit light better

[fleet brook]

Light getting a heal sounds dreadful

[fickle radish]

Read my other message

[fleet brook]

I think classes have already lost there identity and light stole the destruction of heavy from heavy

[vale obsidian]

Don't look at class as specialization, more so just best in something
They still have their identity just not what you expect at frist

[royal pier]

Mobility =/= support.

Healing is support, APS is support.

Intel used to be a key part of Medium, then after Recon Senses got snapped, they gave all that to Light.

Finally gave some of that back this season.

[plain wasp]

By definition movement is support because it helps the team

[unborn frigate]

also i meant team support not just support in general my bad

[royal pier]

Light is the better option for team mobility because otherwise they tend to get so far ahead of the team that they risk getting picked off.

I keep having to try and reign in Lights on my team that want to initiate fights, when their mobility is best used after a heavy has gotten the enemy's attention.

[unborn frigate]

i never said not to give light it i just said not to remove it from med

[royal pier]

Then what does Light bring that Medium doesn't do better/is more impactful?

[royal pier]

Then by that broad definition heavy is also a support.

But I'd classify them as Defense and destruction oriented.

[royal pier]

I agree. I'm fine if there's gadgets that allow other builds to do a bit of what another does, but they just kinda went wild.

[unborn frigate]

heavy is defense and destroy
light is flank and dmg
medium is team support and range

[royal pier]

Every build does damage, that's why Light always falls off hard at high skill play.

[zenith relic]

I mean every character can be versatile even tho eachone is specialised in those categories

[royal pier]

Except now Medium and Light can actually compete with/surpass Heavy in terms of destruction. Light has Thermal Bore and 3 Breach Charges. Demat is just better destruction because it's instant and can be undone instantly on a fairly short CD.

Specialization has been a thing in games this long for a reason.

[zenith relic]

Thats true thats true but those characters aren't specialised in destruction, they can be used as such, like the turret is a defensive specialisation imo

[royal pier]

They probably should shuffle around a bunch of gadgets.

[zenith relic]

Yeah I agree

[weak kernel]

i've been saying for awhile that light, the high-mobility flanker, ought to have an instant breach tool like medium and heavy both have, IMO

something like a one shot on cooldown M79 that busts down a wall kind of like a more specialized RPG

[royal pier]

Turret could probably be a Heavy gadget or something. With nerfed health, obviously.

Or they could rework it.

[amber solstice]

Fax

[zenith relic]

The turret doesn't do a lot of damage on its own, so I don't really think it should be reworked its balanced

[fickle radish]

Miss old turret

[amber solstice]

Rip

[royal pier]

Maybe give Medium two lil healing Turrets. Way slower/less healing than beam, but no micromanagement.

[amber solstice]

Op low key

[zenith relic]

Or it should be on a timer, not to be like that but it could be on a timer like in borderlands 2 axtons turret, it has a timer and if its depleted you'll get a cool down again

[amber solstice]

Hmm

[fickle radish]

Not that much, on such a movement game a static healing current wouldn't be that strong imo. Maybe give it a shooting syringe that you can shoot that slowly regens hp. Like the medic on delta force or idk I don't have other similar examples

[amber solstice]

Meat shielding

[zenith relic]

Maybe the light build can have a healing pistol like in R6 but it wouldn't be instant it would just shorten the cool down you start regening

[royal pier]

That's what I was thinking, too.

[fickle radish]

Useless, to make it useful it should start the cooldown immediately but without any boos

Boosts*

[zenith relic]

Nahhh bcs the cooldown for regening is kinda long

[royal pier]

It can have the same "startup" that current turret has.

Honestly we're just ripping off Thunderbird from Siege kinda.

Not that I care.

I wouldn't make it a "shot" though. Just a mini heal-beam with a set amount of healing before going on CD.

Or maybe a charge that refills, so your Light that's missing 10 HP doesn't use it up.

[zenith relic]

We should get a bowling ball grenade skin...

[fickle radish]

Start the Regen immediately*

[slow linden]

It's not,it's hard countered by goo

I don't like the thing,I think it's underhanded and I feel dirty using it,but it's not overpowered

[slow linden]

I would probably run flamethrower and sledge

[restive plover]

how is it that im always getting shot through smokes even if im just chilling in the back of one
i thought it hides ur outline name etc and ur opponents cant see you through it?

[boreal laurel]

I heard somewhere that there’s a graphics setting which lets you see through smoke. If it exists, I want it…

[storm cedar]

shoot me too lmao

[turbid laurel]

What factors xp for gateways? I’ve seen a lot of different answers so I’m not sure

[plain wasp]

It's just per throw

Like 75 xp or something

[royal hound]

please nerf the M11. It's gonna make me uninstall this game

[turbid laurel]

Ok thank you

[muted fern]

just grinding

[balmy mountain]

how does the cerebrus pair with dual blades? like if i ricochet bullets, will i still catch fire?

[muted fern]

damn shi crazy

[plain wasp]

Dual blades can block 1 shotgun pellet

[balmy mountain]

so a well placed shot will still light me up huh, ayt

[plain wasp]

I feel like dual blades should probably not be countered entirely by the other variety of close range weapons

[muted fern]

type shit

[wind lintel]

dual blade buff seems like it now gives full front cover, idk if anyone tested it though. I dumped half a lewis clip while moving around their hitbox and my bullets were blocked

[balmy mountain]

they increased the angle from 25 to like, 35 or something? it is way more pliable now

[balmy mountain]

also reduced dispersion angle and the damage you take from deflecting them, so much so i was able to block three shAK's (whole magazine) and lost barely half my health [atleast i THINK they were shAK's]

i haven't tested it out but i'd wager blocking while crouching gives you even more of a protection considering your legs are tucked away now

[gilded lintel]

does the gravity vortex pair well with the matter? from the gameplay I've seen it's full potential is only reached when youre able to watch over the vortex and get the from afar so I think using the matter might be nerfing it's potential

[rigid yoke]

too much lag wtf

[toxic plover]

Holy shit

Gadget that doesn't make the cashout invisible but makes the icon for it move 30meters away in a random direction for 30 seconds

[wind lintel]

Holy molyyy

yeah it's shak

[ashen hawk]

what the actual f.
who the hell is telling u that???
the meta has always been MMM or HMM or MHH, saying this as a med main.
Lights were barely ever in the competitive, ask anyone
Bro i doubt uve ever made it above gold, thats why ur saying such nonsense.
This is pure rage bait.

[ashen hawk]

@cunning kettle lmao

[sand monolith]

Dude this is data from pro scrims and top comps not World tour. Yes you will mostly see MMH and HHM. It’s a lot of value for the least effort. HML has repeatedly been in spots of most value for the most effort in top level play since s3

[ashen hawk]

holy shit this looked so cool ngl

[sand monolith]

You are objectively wrong if you think HML hasn’t been meta. Just because it’s not in pub lobbies doesn’t make it not meta

[ashen hawk]

isnt HML a good thing? why is bro even fighting over this 😭

[sand monolith]

Not necessarily no. If a meta can ever be described with 1 comp then it’s an unhealthy meta

[ashen hawk]

theres always gonna be some kind of meta. and meta is always gonna be a single comp changing every now and then
nothing is unhealthy. no one is asking u to follow the meta

[sand monolith]

I mean we’ve had metas before in top level play with up to 3 comps so not really

Idk why everyone just says “it’ll never be perfect so don’t bother”

We’ve had healthy metas in the past and varied metas as well

[ashen hawk]

ur not asked to be a meta slave. if u dont want to play HML then dont. play a triple light or MMH

[sand monolith]

What does that have to do with anything

[ashen hawk]

then good. we can have them again

[sand monolith]

All I said was light has teamplay options

[ashen hawk]

HML isnt a problem

[sand monolith]

What the fuck are you talking about lmao

[ashen hawk]

blud stop confusing
u took lights loadout to medium, then u took the conversation to HML

[sand monolith]

You’re arguing against things I never said

[ashen hawk]

wtf lol
Half the conversation ur telling me HML is this and that and comp is this and bs

literally just stop

u have confused urself too much for u to continue to talk normally, nor have u enabled me to reply

zero logic whatsoever, full-on emotional and no thinking statements

[sand monolith]

You said light has no teamplay. I told you no and that HML has even been meta due to lights teamplay gadgets alone.

That’s all

It’s not that hard to follow a conversation dude lmao

[untold lodge]

Light doesn't have team play. Because nobody uses light for team play. It's a completely kill based class

[sand monolith]

It does but nobody uses it for team play outside of high elo

[untold lodge]

Exactly, so to say it does is a far reach

[sand monolith]

Well no, it definitely does lol. It has extremely strong teamplay gadgets. Only good players use them though

Hence why HML is often seen in the meta of top level play and pro scrims

[untold lodge]

Lmao dude, you need to stop being defensive. I literally agreed with you. But the top of the top doesn't matter when it comes to a games balancing. That's how you get garbo games that nobody actually enjoys and ends up killing the playerbase

[sand monolith]

Who is talking about balancing bro are you guys able to follow a conversation at all

Light has teamplay. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.

[untold lodge]

Dude. Smh. You're talking about something being meta, meta is always linked with a games balancing

[sand monolith]

Wow u sure are a genius

[untold lodge]

This case is LMH, so don't tell me you weren't talking about balancing

[sand monolith]

These topics are vaguely linked together. Thay must be what were talking about!

The original point was that light has teamplay. I brought up HML team comps being in the meta to show how light has teamplay, as HML is a meta comp in high elo and light is included purely do to its teamplay gadgets alone

So no, you are wrong

[untold lodge]

Then it needs a rework to encourage the rest of the entire player base to use it as such

[opaque dawn]

whats best on light??

[untold lodge]

Everything

[sand monolith]

Not really. There’s nothing wrong with a class being used for different reasons at different skill levels. Nobody in low elo mesh shields or dome shields their teammates. The most you will ever see is defib and heal beam on teammates because that is their only use

[vale obsidian]

i don't get why it so hard to fallow
if anything i think Season 1 FCAR joins the chat guy is making stuff confusing for me

[sand monolith]

You will generally always see less teamplay in lower elo. As teamplay is a skill

[sand monolith]

Yeah he’s stupid ignore him. He literally wants season 1 FCAR back lmao

[untold lodge]

Yet they nerf the defib and healing beam into the ground

[vale obsidian]

pretty much all weapon and gatgid and spec is viable as long as you have hands

[vale obsidian]

ay it aint that bad

[sand monolith]

Healing is still decent but defib was basically slaughtered. I think most people are upset about the defib nerf

[untold lodge]

It really is when in comp.

[sand monolith]

I think at least for high elo, defib will be completely out of the meta by the end of this season. Once people get used to playing for slow revives

[restive plover]

people still use defib but yeah its less useful now but its still decent

[rain geyser]

Defib's in a nice spot now IMO

[untold lodge]

I just hate that lights rarely see a debuff and yet it feels like mediums always get the short end of the stick because of light players complaining when they're literally using a risk/reward archetype

[rain geyser]

I already have just been using goo instead for a long time

[sand monolith]

Defib chaining wasn’t even an issue unless the enemy team was running model lol

Any other weapon made defib chains free kills

[vale obsidian]

i don't play any serious comp like scrim or something like that
but imo a res is still a res, it give you a another meat shield and or negate the run out of fight to res time
still very strong

[untold lodge]

But even then. If you wanna run that strat then you should be able to

[restive plover]

nah defib was TOO MUCH in ranked, if u don’t think it wasnt bad then u havnt played this game enough

[rain geyser]

Or a heavy that instacharges if you're caught in a smaller space

[sand monolith]

Most high ranked players agree it wasn’t the defibs and are upset about the nerf lol

[untold lodge]

And I'm sure you think the stun gun is completely balanced too huh?

[rain geyser]

It's fine tbh

[sand monolith]

Breaking news the only healing gadget in the game is a must pick when well balanced in a vacuum

[restive plover]

if they weren’t “upset” about the defib in the first place… why are they upset about the nerf? doesnt make sense

[sand monolith]

Because defib was healthy for the game

Now fights finish faster and medium brings less teamplay

Medium is closer to being a generic call of duty class more than ever rather than being interesting

Nobody wants that lmao

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

[untold lodge]

I think if they keep the new mechanic, they need to make it a full health revive and have the teammates guns reloaded. I'm now constantly dying because I'm using the cerberus and then spawn back and get shredded

[sand monolith]

There’s a reason nobody complained about defib until model meta took off

[vale obsidian]

enlighten me pls
i am infinitely curious

[sand monolith]

Because assuming the medium isn’t running a model, defib is hard countered by closing the gap

[untold lodge]

Especially when they spawn with half health? You can easily just aim at where the head is and instantly kill the revive

[sand monolith]

The guy with the defib can immediately switch back and instantly deal 117 damage, the guy being defibbed can immediately shoot for 117 upon respawning

[restive plover]

nah it’s not balanced but hey u might as well use it while it lasts lmao

[sand monolith]

Healing beam is also designed to be weaker up close. There’s a reason medium is labeled as the mid range combat class in game. It’s entirely balanced around being generally weaker than H and L up close

Also why it has no close quarters combat gadgets like light and heavy

It’s also the reason model had so much range in the first place. The only issue with model was how good it was at point blank. Full support mediums were contesting heavies that were built for cqc

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[untold lodge]

Even thr cerberus isn't really used like a shotgun sadly. It's more like, lemme set em on fire, wait, then do it again. And again. And finally kill them.. them being a light lmao

[sand monolith]

The Cerberus gives medium power in cqc for about 1 kill and then you’re vulnerable until you reload. It breaks the boundary in a healthy way

[untold lodge]

Yet the light walks right up to me and rocks my world with the double barrel instantly lmao

[sand monolith]

You also need to hit almost every shot to make it work

[untold lodge]

I don't think it's healthy when every other gun in the game reloads the same or faster and can kill multiple players

But the triple barrel shotgun can barely manage to kill one

Rarely 2

[restive plover]

defib is still useable okay. im sure everyone is happy that players can’t defib their teamates off spawn

[untold lodge]

No. Definitely not happy

Nobody I've talked to in game has been happy about it

[sand monolith]

Not really. We are already seeing top teams complain and forego defib entirely and just play for slow revives instead. It’s a terrible change

[vale obsidian]

i mean the db is on light, the bursty damage assassination class
and the theri shotty is on med the support mid range class.
so it make sence why it balance that way, but db is annoying as shit tho no denying that

[sand monolith]

If they really wanted to nerf defib they should have removed the iframes or made the prefib take longer

Even if you wanted defib nerfed, this was a terrible way of doing it

[untold lodge]

Well it makes NO sense that the DB does as much damage as it does but when the mediums get a TRIPLE BARREL that's even longer, it does a fraction of the damage??

[untold lodge]

Agreed

[sand monolith]

The Cerberus is meant to be a more niche weapon for specific team comps not really a general weapon like the DB

It’s very strong in HHM when you can force teams to push into you

[untold lodge]

Well then that's kinda just bad weapon design.

[sand monolith]

I mean medium already has a million generalist weapons

[vale obsidian]

but a step in the right direction imo
they are not afraid of making big changes

[sand monolith]

I think it’s about time they get something more specific and niche

[untold lodge]

Yeah and this was supposed to be it's shotgun prioritized for short range high damage.. but it barely does any at even close range

[vale obsidian]

i haven't use the tri shotty much, hows it vs model?

i get reck by them pretty fast when playing meds

[untold lodge]

Be ready to play hide and seek

[vale obsidian]

the peek-a-boo reload redo strat?

[untold lodge]

A LOT of your kills will just be trying to hit them one last time because the fire is always just short of killing them
Yeah, Very much that

If it had a quicker reload I'd feel much better about the way you pretty much HAVE to play with the gun. But as it is right now you have to exclusively play around cover or else you'll get out ranged by every weapon in the game or killed by a Melee too fast to kill them with the shotgun.

[shut bane]

If you are good at placing your shots at close range it will delete heavies quicker than they can charge and slam

Just like with lights db, you need to make use of most your shots well unless you want to be retreating temporarily

For that demat is kind of the best option in really dense buildings, but even without it you can usually reload at least one more time if you damaged the enemy enough to make them panic or run away

[royal pier]

Putting a turret on a throwable and then having said throwable break causes it to fall out of the world, again.

So glad that came back. /s

[modern nova]

Hey can anybody help me out with building loadouts?

[tranquil rose]

But defib was always complained about since the very beginning man

The gadget that receive 3 changes, what do you mean "nobody complained"

[vale obsidian]

maximum minecraft loadout?
heavy goo spec, barricade, dome

[modern nova]

I was thinking more stuff that won’t get me yelled at in ranked tho I will keep that in mind it sounds fun

[scarlet thunder]

why there's more guy than late s4 playing with a cl-40 in WT

[sand monolith]

Nobody complained after its rework in 2.0

[tranquil rose]

Alright, now we're in a better context now. And yes, people still complained due chaining revives.

I don't understand why they haven't implement a mechanic where you could simply stop the revival process. That would prevent mediums from diving in and use it more taticaly.

It's just super stupid to see that hologram reviving someone and waiting for them to pop up.

[sand monolith]

Because you already had a huge advantage over the people reviving lol

[tranquil rose]

That really depends in the situation, it isn't always in a winning condition

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah that’s how support tools work. That’s a good thing. But you were also pretty easily able to kill the guy reviving most of the time

[tranquil rose]

The whole chaining revives was clear example of how annoying it can be, but other times it could result nothing

[sand monolith]

Yeah it depended on if they had the model or not

[tranquil rose]

Easily IF you're in a winning in situation, if not it will be a free revive with nothing you can do about

[sand monolith]

That’s good

That’s how support works

[tranquil rose]

And it still works, I don't really get people saying defib is terrible now

Just don't dive in, pick up the totem, go to a safe place and revive the teammate

[sand monolith]

Because you can already do that without sacrificing a gadget slot

[uneven iris]

No way anyone with a braincell is saying defibrillator is bad. That thing smacks and I kiss any medium using it

[tranquil rose]

They are, truly

[sand monolith]

Top teams are already putting it down entirely in favor or other gadgets. Slow res is just better lmao

Defib and wait up to 13s for your teammate to be back in the fight. “Slow” res and wait up to 5 lmao

[tranquil rose]

You might want to use the next 5 seconds to secure a position, most of the time I used to prevent from stay far away to the vault

[uneven iris]

To me it's more the speed at which you can revive two people at the same time

[tranquil rose]

Or prevent enemy from pushing while still reviving someone

[uneven iris]

It really good for bringing the team back after a fight

[sand monolith]

This generally doesn’t happen in higher elo because mediums are targeted first for this reason

More defib counterplay

[tranquil rose]

Tbh, they could just prevent the use of another defib

I don't think it mattered too much if they enemy could use their gadgets or specialization

[sand monolith]

Or nerf the only weapon that made defib chaining problematic

Nobody gaf about defib chaining when AKM was the perceived meta

[tranquil rose]

I don't think it would make chaining defib any less annoying

[tranquil rose]

People didn't gaf about model for years too, only after all other broken shit was nerfed then people realized how bust model was

[sand monolith]

The only thing that was ever stronger than model on medium was old FCAR

[uneven iris]

Any of you think the shak 50 worth buying?

[sand monolith]

It was 1 nerf of a weapon that deserved it

[tranquil rose]

Nukes, Heavy entire loadout was overtuned, double barrel had giagantic range

a lot of things were super BS

[sand monolith]

I mean sure but nukes weren’t contesting the weapon slot of medium

[outer flint]

Yeah for sure it’s probably the 2nd best if not the best weapon to use on heavy right now

[tranquil rose]

Model for some crazy reason was, and it still is somewhat, kinda still the same

[uneven iris]

Whats a good runner up? The Lewis gun?

[sand monolith]

Because devs don’t understand the issue with it and are hesitant to change the 1 breakpoint that makes it problematic

[outer flint]

The Lewis gun and sa1216 are also good choices for heavy

[tranquil rose]

My point is that many things don't seem strong until the get the spotlight, sometimes people just don't really pay attention at all

[outer flint]

It just depends on your kind of play style

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah, but idk what that has to do with my point of saying that model was what made defib op

[tranquil rose]

That chaining revive was always a super annoying thing to deal with even to this day

The first nerf in the defib people say it was garbage ( I remember it vividly)

Then the second nerf came in, people say it was unusable, people still 100% times use it

[sand monolith]

Annoying doesn’t mean op. Every triple stack comp is annoying at what they specialize in. MMM with model was particularly annoying because it was an actually good strategy unlike any LLL or HHH comp.

MMM should specialize in mid range damage and team sustain and should be weak in other areas

[tranquil rose]

Then now finally the third nerf, people are saying again is unusable, but this time it might went overkill

[sand monolith]

No it’s still hard meta lol

[tranquil rose]

What, weren't people saying it was garbage now

[sand monolith]

Yeah casuals were. Every comp player immediately knew it wasn’t enough and it’s still 80% of the weapons you see in high elo

It arguably buffed its performance against L and H

[tranquil rose]

Triple medium was always opressive, even in the whole heavy meta the triple medium was viable

It was opressive when the FCAR was strong, it was opressive when the recon existed, it is opressive now with model so I don't know

[sand monolith]

Yes and that’s because they’ve always had a weapon that excels in cqc. The only time triple medium was on the same level as HHH or LLL is when people thought AKM was meta after the fcar nerf in 2.6

MMM becomes a perfectly fine team comp when running a balanced primary

[tranquil rose]

I'm partly sure in the recon meta people didn't use model as much as they did now

I guess the model ascesion came in season 3

[sand monolith]

Yes it did

From 2.6 - 3.0 people falsely assumed the AKM was the best weapon on medium and it was used in all levels of play. This is when medium was considered the most balanced it’s ever been and MMM was on the same level as HHH and LLL

[tranquil rose]

I don't know if it was the most balanced but for sure I remember most people said it was the best weapon

But anyways, I think now perhaps the best thing they can do is reduce the amount of time for the cooldown

It's either this or get back full life, since the only thing you can do is shoot back

But reducing the timer might be more like a Embark move

[sand monolith]

Removing revive sickness and either prolonging the hologram or removing iframes would be more than enough

[tranquil rose]

I think removing the iframes was the first solution people thought out

I don't know why they didn't try that out first

[sand monolith]

A million slaps on the wrist for model and instantly sent to the depths of hell for defib

What a time to be alive

[toxic plover]

I just got shit on by flashbangs and Jesus Christ did it hurt

[tacit minnow]

Nacho chips skin for throwing knives 🤌

[unique swallow]

Revert 4.6.0 sword and SH1900

[slow linden]

Melee is in a good spot

Spears the only one that needs not a nerf but a rework as it's not fun at all to fight

The basic attacks fine,the spinning stance needs to be changed to something else,maybe rapid pokes or a javelin throw

[royal thicket]

You are aware of riot shield right?

[restive plover]

I’m looking to improve my light gadgets, should I swap out the dart for something else?

[royal thicket]

Yes. Sonade, Gateway, anything

[restive plover]

Ah ok gateway I’ve been meaning to switch to

[tired cedar]

Hammer always gets me cuz it looks further away than it is. But that is a ping issue cuz I play in South Africa

Chain is what annoys me with melee but pretty sure ping is why

Personally I would like the ability to swap reserve during games in Ranked as many of the problematic gadjets are easily fixed by countering with a diff gadjet or weapn

Like have swap tokens that you can use when you die, same way you have respawn

[humble shuttle]

Is AKR better with a scope?

[fickle radish]

Just personal preference

[humble shuttle]

what about ADS time?

[fickle radish]

Is not even a stat shown on the game. I would say that every weapon is almost the same

[tired cedar]

How do u even add scope? I main model

[slow linden]

It's countered by goo,fire and explosives,which are very common

[royal thicket]

What? What's your point?

[fleet brook]

with winch for heavy

Without winch on heavy you're not accomplishing much with the hammer against good players

[slow linden]

This is fine,don't see why you brought this up as an issue

[fickle radish]

on customization

[slow linden]

Most people me especially have little trouble with the riot shield

I main flamethrower and goo gun

[tired cedar]

thx

[royal thicket]

I don't think you understand. When I pointed at riot shield, I did so because it's the worst melee weapon in the finals and maybe even the worst weapon in general

[slow linden]

I think it's really strong for 1v1s but I suppose it could use a buff,maybe some extra utility but I don't know how else they could buff it

[tired cedar]

Riot would be cool if you could swich shield to back and just have a club

Like instead of a heavy attack, tap right and you swing faster but with no protection
like a toggle

[royal thicket]

Riot shield would be cool if you could actually block shit (other melee attacks, bullets shot at your feet, a running man)

[royal thicket]

Sorry, but that would be even less useful than the current active block

[slow linden]

Melee I agree,feet just crouch and be mobile

[royal thicket]

yeah, because riot shield gameplay isn't complicated enough, right? I know that there are countermeasures to most of riot shields problems but some really just shouldn't be necessary

[slow linden]

I mean how hard is crouching,they can't shoot your feet if you're close enough to hit them anyway,supposed to protect your team more than you

You are Mobil cover and a close range fighter,you do plenty for the team you're just not going to have crazy high kill games,run with heal beam and defib,goo and glitch mines,it is a pure support weapon

It might need a slight damage buff, that is all though

[fleet brook]

Because it means it isn't in a good state it's been propelled from ass to tolerable by the addition of the winch

It's also uninteractive to fight it just extends the threat range of a melee player to 12M

[slow linden]

Hammers fine,damage good,good utility,what more could you give it

I want you to tell me what YOU want for hammer,truly I'm curious

I personally think that giving heavy his movement speed from game launch would be a great idea

But that affects more than just melee

[fleet brook]

Melee heavy is inherently flawed not one particular element of it besides winch being uninteractive

Because heavy can't chase people nor can he punish a dash light with melee and if a medium is smart you're not catching them either

Because he's the slowest class his melee is the most punishing but gap closing and sticking to enemies is his issue

[slow linden]

Winch used to have an 8 second cooldown as well,they nerfed it pretty hard I believe

They need to give heavy back his movement speed from launch

He used to be faster,hammer felt fine way before winch claw was ever added

[royal thicket]

Then why did Embark make blocking this season SO MUCH worse? You have no gap closing tools, so no kills. You have no way of holding it while using other things like healing beam, you have terrible hit reg and the blocking is only useful for your teammates if they don't care about shooting the enemy and just want to not die -> only useful if you're loosing already. SO, DEAR @slow linden what the f is riot shield supposed to do exactly?

[royal thicket]

Heavy has the lockbolt, the winch claw, if you're desperate the goo gun and the rpg to finish off players who got away. Medium has NOTHING and you suggest giving heavy ANOTHER buff for melee. Are you sure man?

[slow linden]

I wasn't aware of a nerf,but you're right,it should be a passive tool that replaces your elbow bash,as it is now I suggest you play around turrets and mines for kills

[royal thicket]

I know the tactics to get kills with the shield. Most of them are just "try to get kills like if you wouldn't have a weapon"

[slow linden]

It should be a passive tool that doesn't go away even when using gadgets and specs,this we agree on,other than the shield and spear my point stands that melee is fine and needs no nerfs

[royal thicket]

Yeah ok that I can agree with. But like the shield is 100000% worse then spear so this should be mentioned

[slow linden]

Spear is good it's just annoying

They need to rework its spinning stance into something else,I think a spear throw,it feels brainless to fight,if not a little toxic and is especially not fun to fight with winch claw. But that's not a problem with winch claw,the spear is fundamentally flawed

[slow linden]

Give spear a try with winch claw and a decent team,you'll feel nearly unbeatable in world tour

[woeful aspen]

i kinda wish flamethrower left fire on the ground like in deep rock galactic

[lilac hemlock]

Ez trick for countering suspend Structure

[slow linden]

This

[slow linden]

Push this more or it won't happen I want it to happen so bad

[regal ledge]

Hi, is there a TTK chart for all the weapons that is updated to 5.1?

[mystic nimbus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview

[regal ledge]

Thanks

[rain geyser]

It would be cool if 1/3 of the weapons in the game just didn't completely invalidate the shield part, if people just couldn't run away and create space easily (running away, dash, jump pad, zipline juggling, if the shield actually covered more of your body
To use this weapon properly you really have to sacrifice your entire loadout so that you stand a chance against certain loadouts

It's real rough man

Charge just wins every single time, sword ignores the whole shield, blades ignore the shield, dagger is also just on light, spear goes through the shield, sledge overhead just ignores the shield, CL-40 users can just shoot to your side to hit you, flamethrower burn just will make it a very close fight
Not to mention that Embark just keeps changing things without telling us at all - they moved the hitbox of the shield so your effective movement speed while bishopping is just notably slower and the swing range and width feels off now

I have probably died only once to a riot shield while using a gun and that was on 170 ping - they're very easy to kill if you know how to deal with them (I main this weapon so it's just very easy to win)

I think it's very telling when I just hop in a random PS to farm damage quests and I get 12 kills in the first minute of the game as a heavy (a team decided to run 4 riots for fun)

A lot of riot shield's issues are fundamentally more of a medium melee issue, as you have no tools to reliably close distance

[rain geyser]

Have you seen spear vs sword matchup 😭

[slow linden]

It should be able to block melee unless you're swinging

[slow linden]

No, spears just not fun to fight,

[tulip grove]

is mesh and sa1216 still viable for heavy?

[slow linden]

Mesh is ass and only good for support

If your teammates are machine gunners or launchers it's good

[rain geyser]

It's just insanely funny - spear just chills and holds rmb to win most engagements and then sword is sweating buckets trying to time the gap in the alt fire, or just running around finding throwables to whittle the spear user's HP down

[tulip grove]

is charge and slam still the strongest?

ohh and btw what is the best heavy weapon?

[slow linden]

My point is even greater,melee combat is supposed to take skill,sure sledge heavy can 1 tap light with its alt but you have to actually hit them

[slow linden]

Subjective

[rain geyser]

Very very strong still

[slow linden]

Very,a little too good right now,I think they should make it do less damage the less health you have,so it's less of a panic button

[rain geyser]

It's just insanely funny how some melee matchups look 🤣

[rain geyser]

Do you want me to dump a mountain of charge and slam clips on you (I hate how broken it is and want it nerfed despite abusing it myself and it is a lot of fun due to how overtuned it is xD)

[tulip grove]

thanks for the input, any tips for the sa1216

[slow linden]

I like using it to charge through walls and get picks when I hear people

Beware the reload,your opponent will have died of old age by the time you get your next volley off

[rain geyser]

Winch is disgusting with it, don't be afraid to just tap fire and ensure that you'll get a good shot on people

[sacred tide]

whats the best loadout for medium?

[tulip grove]

Thanks!

[slow linden]

Deterministic,mediums the best class right now,there's only bad loadouts,no best

[royal pier]

Nah, this is peak.

[slow linden]

I fuck with this heavily,no nerf pls

Cerberus still needs a buff

Hate that they're nerfin all the world object tricks,ruins the fun

[royal pier]

It can shoot through the ground level when flipped upside-down. That should probably be fixed.

This wasn't intentional.

[slow linden]

Yeah that should be cause that's an actual bug

[royal pier]

Their confusion was palpable.

[slow linden]

But they nerfed nukes and it makes me sad

[royal pier]

I mean, I was sick of them, even as a Heavy player.

It was nuke-or-be-nuked.

[slow linden]

You can still make em but they're more traps now

I like making traps

[royal pier]

I am guilty of using the above bug to have it fall to the floor below. I'd be fine if they fixed it, though.

You can give the turret a glitch trap as a hat, btw.

[slow linden]

If you have it use it,not our fuck up its the devs

[tulip grove]

any tips for a strong heavy load out

or a fun one

[rain geyser]

OML THIS WAS SO PEAK HAHAHAHA

Getting 3 turrets and placing them on 1 goo can was so fun

[vagrant scroll]

This brings back S1 memories

[slow linden]

Flamethrower,goo gun,c4 or rpg,armored wall,Pyro mine

[rain geyser]

S1 was fun but nukes had to go c:

[slow linden]

Any machine gun,charge and slam or mesh,rpg,armored wall,mine or grenade of your choice

[vagrant scroll]

Yeah, but i encountered them rarely (1 per 15-20 matches), maybe thats becouse i didnt play tournaments and ranked

[rain geyser]

(Ignore my clipping software clipping my friend's mic)

Was fun xD (not balanced)

[slow linden]

This you can still do,and it's fun,being able to throw thems what changed

[rain geyser]

Yeah :P

[vagrant scroll]

I love when my team was obliterated by the last heavy on the other team

[rain geyser]

Yeah - had to go for the game's health :P
Fun to use, NOT fun to die to

[vagrant scroll]

Now its fun to use (sometimes), and fun to shoot it while someone is carying it (sometimes)

[slow linden]

Still,rework spear and riot shield

[royal pier]

Something like this is a singleplayer game would be awesome.

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1319936332276957215

Btw, a weird side effect of this bug is that if used on pyro/gas cans, they'll immediately explode if tossed at an enemy.

Not that useful, but kinda funny.

[amber cloak]

Why do you feel the need to drop techs in the open

[slow linden]

I think this bug should stay,turrets not that good

Especially since goo can just turn the Damn thing off, I don't even use turret personally

[royal pier]

Knowledge is to be shared.

[slow linden]

Agreed

[pallid moth]

Will emerald flamethrower shoot green fire??

Hope it does 🙏🏽😓

[main ore]

That would be aweesome

[plain wasp]

Emerald should come with special inspects or something

[covert parcel]

jail

[covert parcel]

breach in the floor?

[covert parcel]

oh my god wait

[slow linden]

I suddenly want to play ranked

[mystic nimbus]

no

[mystic nimbus]

wt isn't ranked

[slow linden]

Never said it was

Wt is the standard mode of the game,it's how its meant to be played

Ranked is ranked

[grizzled lagoon]

what u mean actual bug?

[urban nova]

whats the worst weapon rn?

[grizzled lagoon]

worst weapon? light medium or heavy?

[slow linden]

Glitching the turret through a wall or floor is an actual bug you gonk

[urban nova]

anything

[grizzled lagoon]

ah right

[slow linden]

Cerberus

[restive plover]

melee

[slow linden]

No.

Melee is good you just can't be shit

[urban nova]

what meele?

[restive plover]

no top 500 player uses melle weapon’s lmfao

[restive plover]

literally all melee weapons are 💩 but if ur a good sledgehammer guy then u do u

[slow linden]

Never said they were meta,everyone higher up uses the same 3 weapons anyway,you're boring and carry a boring mindset if you want to be like them cause all they do is play the meta,they don't play for fun

[restive plover]

but in MY opinion meless weapons are troll
(currently diamond 4 player here)

[slow linden]

They play because the games all they have

[restive plover]

so im boring like the top 500 players because i WANT to win?💀

[slow linden]

You can win and still do silly shit,if you don't play off meta you NEED to win because the game matters that much to you,which means you have nothing else going on in your life,this can be a sign of you being boring

[restive plover]

okay but i play serious in ranked but when it comes to world tour or the other gamemodes i play troll loud outs🤷🏽‍♂️

[slow linden]

Your first mistake was playing ranked

[restive plover]

im a competitive guy lmao nothin wrong with playing a game you/i enjoy

[slow linden]

I ain't say to quit all I said was smell the roses,not everything's a sweaty light build,branch out

Slow down and enjoy the game thoroughly

[blazing flare]

For some reason Vaiiya White SA1216 has a crack on the cannon

[slow linden]

Everything reminds me of her

[urban nova]

whats the worst weapon for heavy

[slow linden]

SA1216,if your goal was to kill your enemy,sure I'll give you that you killed one guy pretty damn quick,the rest of their team will have died of old age by the time you reload the damn thing

[toxic plover]

So where's my crew at? I got a idea for a gadget. @unborn frigate

[slow linden]

You want them to add a chair

[unborn frigate]

i mean they should

[toxic plover]

Lmao nah but you can listen up too

[hollow sundial]

Should I get cloak or sword what’s more fun

[slow linden]

Cloaks only fun with dagger get sword

[toxic plover]

So hear me out. It's a barricade...but looking at it within 20 meters provides the flashbang blind effect, and it gets worse and worse the closer you get to it

@slow linden @unborn frigate

[hollow sundial]

alr and what’s meta rn too so I can lock in after I sell

[slow linden]

How about a barricade with a detonater remote that makes the flash go off,the flash can recharge,this should be for medium

[unborn frigate]

too op why would anyone take barricade or flashbang over it

[unborn frigate]

yes

[slow linden]

M11 or any of lights pistols

[hollow sundial]

Alr thanks for the help

[plain wasp]

Add blitz shield from r6 to light

[slow linden]

Nah,give clash's

[toxic plover]

@unborn frigate @slow linden okay maybe not quite a barricade, but like a really tall turret? About as hard to break as lockbolt, but remains active indefinitely

[slow linden]

An armored turret that flashes people

Why though,it'd have to be a spec and for what class

[toxic plover]

@slow linden @unborn frigate

[slow linden]

I fuck with it

Gadget then,and you get 2 of em,should be for heavy or medium

[unborn frigate]

that literally is a prop from construction seoul

[toxic plover]

@slow linden @unborn frigate yeah but I was thinking it should be like a foot taller than heavy, just so it getting randomly shot won't destroy it, you'd have to consciously aim at the lights/the base of it

[slow linden]

It could also peek over armored walls

[toxic plover]

Also, buff smoke. Make it nullify the flash effect of flashbangs and this new gadget(the smoke is still pretty bright but you aren't outright blinded)

[slow linden]

Smoke shouldn't extinguish burn from specifically the flamethrower and that's about it

I agree tho

[toxic plover]

That smoke should soft counter flash effects?

[slow linden]

Yes

Do you agree with that it shouldn't neuter the flamethrower?

[toxic plover]

I think flamethrower should actually have its fire proc effect extended too

[slow linden]

I think the flamethrower procs and fire in general should stack

[toxic plover]

Gross AF bro

[slow linden]

A little but the flamethrower only kills heavy in 4 seconds,stacks going by 1 a sec wouldn't buff it much,would only counter people being healed by heal beam

[toxic plover]

I think gas shouldnt instantly explode, it should quickly but not instantly shrink. I agree about your buff idea though

[slow linden]

Light in almost 2,medium in almost 3

[slow linden]

Depends if it's indoors or not

[toxic plover]

Nah. I say outright because that's too much variable

[slow linden]

Fair nuff,I agree cause I actually like gas,want them to make a gas grenade launcher

[toxic plover]

That would be cool AF. Give medium a gas thermal bore. Doesn't destroy the wall but injects the room with gas

I'm already imagining the flash pillar bro@slow linden @unborn frigate . Imma goo the base of it and the neck. It's gonna be so oppressive on say, under construction soeul. Pointed towards the cashout and the exits gooed up. Would really enable my game style as a sledge googun heavy too

[olive pier]

No.

[toxic plover]

Coward

[rare lake]

the sword get another nerf?

[toxic plover]

Nah, game has terrible hit registration and desync, AND melee magnetism is ass and just breaks sometimes

[rare lake]

fair enough

[toxic plover]

@slow linden@unborn frigate I feel like a whole team of heavys with the blinding lights gadgets(2 each) is really going to be hard to go against if you fall into their kill box lmao

[unborn frigate]

it would have to blind the heavys as well

[slow linden]

Coward.

[slow linden]

Very but a whole team of armored wall goo gun heavies is also

[toxic plover]

Lol can you imagine both at once?

[slow linden]

Nothing blowing up the building can't fix

[toxic plover]

Blowing up the building is nothing they can't fix either lol

[slow linden]

You need structure to build off of,there will be no more structure

I will find a way,also I run flamethrower I'll be fine

[toxic plover]

Lmao just don't get blinded and beamed by the light turret thing

[plain wasp]

Smoke grenade:

[toxic plover]

Smoke grenade what

[topaz orchid]

Is trash, mainly

[plain wasp]

The least consistent gadget ever

[topaz orchid]

Smoke nade is useful on like two cashout locations and hinders allies AND enemies.

[toxic plover]

You spelled flashbang wrong. Fucking ruins me, does jack shit to enemies

[hybrid marsh]

brother why can i not aim in with the V9S

[deft rune]

good to see that sword dash combo is still utterly broken but Embark is too busy thirsting over lights to fix it

[rancid herald]

Skill issue

[toxic plover]

That's good to hear

[toxic plover]

How should I use it then. Go into detail and situations

[rancid herald]

Why are you flashing yourself loser

[toxic plover]

I underhand threw it while running at the enemy because I use sledgehammer

[toxic plover]

Should I not do that?

[rancid herald]

Yeah keep doing that