💣┇weapons-gadgets

[vale mulch]

Now the jump pad tech is gonna be good

[royal pier]

They were the undisputed (by anyone not blinded by it being their main) best class. They did everything well.

[nova fossil]

but last season they nerfed heal beam bc it was also too good

[north swallow]

now hear me out

Splash heal grenade for light that also heals enemies

[dim field]

yes, me and freinds had discussed this, it helps make them not die all the time

[royal pier]

They nerfed it in all but the way that mattered most.

It shouldn't be able to stack, and you shouldn't be able to get healed while being healed.

Do that, and they can reduce some previous nerfs. I think the reduced range is healthier though. You shouldn't be able to heal from half the room away.

[analog carbon]

it makes sense. Medium has great movement with the zip and pad and demat, heals, a solid healthpool, and instant revive mehcs. It was def overperforming and it was obvious by the high level ranked team comp of "MMM"

I think the balance changes will allow other classes to shine while keeping medium strong.

[hoary coral]

@silent swallow an idea for new spesialication and maybe a gadget! a cloning ability and a stim gadget

[north swallow]

it would make it very to steal if you just 2 stack the nades on a heavy

[royal pier]

I still think Light should take Jump Pad so that they can become the best at providing team mobility.

It can (in theory) be balanced out by Lockbolt.

[north swallow]

the stim should cost health

[nova fossil]

yeah the range is good but straight up reducing the output made it okay when paired with defib. now when u get revived u can't start healing the tm8 trying his best to stay alive

[hoary coral]

yea ofc

[royal pier]

They can up the healing some if they don't let it stack two beams on one target.

[north swallow]

I'm quitting my iseul-t loyalties because of you

[hoary coral]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[dim field]

What no one is considering is that now the medium is going to get less used and the light is going to rushed to by players, and then everyone will whine that light is too broken and overused, and next light will get a useless nerf and then heavy will get flanked with players and then everyone is complaining

the game isnt going to get balanced because its too hard to make a balanced game without forcing players to use a certain meta. and players dont like being told what to do, its in a gamers nature.

[nova fossil]

funnily enough i felt that the end of season 3 felt really balanced. it was just too bad they replaced ranked with terminal attack so i didnt even play that season very much

[analog carbon]

i think the idea is to get comp to a place where its "LMH" and the heavy buff is a step in the right direction with the shield rework

[north swallow]

the way to have a good time is to play the current worst weapons in the meta

[dim field]

but atm the current nerf is ridiculous and wasnt needed, it was easy to counter and players who complained just have skill issue, the heavy alone could tank a team of 3 defibs.

[north swallow]

really makes you lose the sweat energy

[analog carbon]

revolver supremacy

responded to the wrong comment smh

[analog carbon]

revolver supremacy

[royal pier]

I think all Light needs is for it to take the team mobility role that a Medium currently fills.

Give Light Jump Pad, that combined with Gateway gives them something neither of the other builds would provide.

[analog carbon]

id be fine with that if they didnt also have the ability to take away opp mobility with the stun gun

[north swallow]

I find that heavy 's weapons are the most consistent but the least satisfying, light's are the most satisfying but not as consistent, and medium is both satisfying and consistent SOME of the time.

[royal pier]

Yeah that's why Gold 1 and above was mostly MMM with 3 defibs and at least one with double mobility, because they all had skill issues.

[vale mulch]

Model was the problem tbh

Like some other guy here said, it wasn't a problem when akm was most commonly used

[royal pier]

After the model nerf they all just went FAMAS/AKM.

[analog carbon]

i feel dirty playing light. The weapons are crazy strong. Heavy has very fun items minus their shotguns tho. medium has revolver.

[north swallow]

revolver is great when it is and shit when it isn't

[analog carbon]

fr. The visual recoil fix has made it feel stronger

[royal pier]

And if there is a Heavy/Light, the Model is still used because shots to kill remained the same.

Medium was a massive problem, and this update aimed to change that, finally.

[hasty hare]

hi, what is the hit box aiming point when TRYING to block Spear right click?

deflect*

[royal pier]

You don't block it.

[hasty hare]

with dual swords

[shut bane]

somethin happen to heavies movement speed?

[royal pier]

You don't block it. You can deflect the basic swings I believe.

[north swallow]

it doesn't stop that much damage for melee weapons

[vale mulch]

It's like waiting for New Year's to start a goal, why wait to fix something that everyone is complaining about?

[royal pier]

Probably because the week-to-week patches were often buggy af due to lack of QA.

[vale mulch]

My computer still flies away whenever the fortune stadium popsicle stick buildings collapse

[royal pier]

Do you meet the minimum recommended specs?

[hasty hare]

the whirly attack it has a POINT OF AIM so i figured it or some part of the swing could be blocked, or is it only spacing to survive it

[royal pier]

Spacing only as far as I know.

[vale mulch]

Yeah, easily too but I worry that one day I'll just never get 120 fps again

[royal pier]

Hence why it's slower.

[royal pier]

The performance has steadily dropped since launch, for sure.

Part of it is probably servers, as well.

[hasty hare]

its like 6 hits i cant block any of it?

deflect

[royal pier]

It's 3. Don't think of it as a series of swings. Think of it as a dome that pulses damage at a set rate.

[hasty hare]

its like a 30 degree cone

[hasty hare]

ok ill keep that in mind

[royal pier]

It's a sphere. It hits all around.

Spear is designed to be AoE vs the Sledgehammer's more focused damage.

[north swallow]

you block a small amount of damage, but it won't damage the opp

[royal pier]

Sledgehammer does have the ability to multi-hit, but you have to be basically on top of each other for it to happen.

[vale mulch]

Me pulling off the most genius play just for a sledgehammer heavy to fall from literally nowhere

[royal pier]

And the nerf to the basic swing made it inconsistent on that end.

[royal pier]

Better than the meta just being MMM with all ARs.

[vale mulch]

Melee will probably never be meta

[north swallow]

dual blades are generally alright

[royal pier]

Might be at least viable at all levels now with Lockbolt and Medium nerfs.

Spear can now kill Medium with two swings and a spin.

[vale mulch]

Never been a fan of meta shifts but this at least looks promising

[royal pier]

It's a noticeable decrease in TTK.

[north swallow]

the issue with melee is that its usefulness varies map to map

on monaco it's good and on seoul it's ehhh

[royal pier]

It requires proper support to shine most times.

[shut bane]

did sniper buff not make it into the game

[vale mulch]

Don't think so

[north swallow]

Filth

[hasty hare]

all good its top tier fun in my book

[elfin oriole]

Better cheat detection and hardware bans! Best update yet🙌🏻

[royal pier]

Heavy in general requires a Heal Beam to feel functional. It can take around NINETEEN SECONDS to fully regen from low HP as a Heavy.

[stable ice]

thoughts on the cerberus so far? it feels a bit iffy to me

[vale mulch]

That part is so stupid

[hasty hare]

they are still largely feeling out teh range and damage someone will break it in some way, they didnt say Mgot smoke granades back so that was a welcome surprise

[vale mulch]

Heavy needs a Regen speed buff, I don't care if it's an illegal heavy buff

[royal pier]

The 10 seconds to start I get, but it should be fast once it starts.

[vale mulch]

Yeah, or all classes heal a percent of HP per second

[stable ice]

it feels like flame doesn't activate sometimes, a bit weird

[hasty hare]

shorter overall duration faster ramp

well from a counter perspective it wasnt hard to kill them witha shield but its gonna be a finalist by finalist

smoke AND prox mines on med i never thought i would see again

[fading kayak]

Spear for power shift

[lunar idol]

a good sledge heavy is terrifying

[royal pier]

Fire damage is inconsistent. Flamethrower can either have solid DPS, or be absolutely pitiful. You can run right over a Pyro Mine and not get a flame tic. You can direct impact someone with a Pyro Nade and only do 15 damage with no burn.

The first instance of fire damage should always apply burn. Then, after a brief period where they're immune to another burn tic, the next instance of fire damage should guarantee a burn, etc.

It wouldn't shock me if it's possible to hit with the Cerberus and not apply burn because each pellet has a random chance of applying the burn or something.

[lunar idol]

fire contact should always apply burn tbh, the longer you're in contact with it the longer the afterburn should last

[royal pier]

The weird part is that being near environmental or goo fire seems to reliably burn.

[shell sonnet]

doesnt really do that for me tbh

sometimes i vault over burning goo and nothing happens
other times i round a corner into burning goo, retreat immediately and get set on fire a solid second later

and dont get me started on burning grass in kyoto

[fiery nebula]

Get out of my face with this new medium shotgun. Bro I swear on everything this medium shotgun only does 5% out of 100% damage are you serious patch this asap I’m in my first match having the worst time of my life just hitting enemies multiple times n’ not killing them at all it’s hell every time I come back to this game after playing a different one it I just want to leave every match who’s idea was it to make this gun do 0.5 damage out of 100 bro the fire doesn’t even work like that either lol gomf every update feels like a set back until I randomly feel like playing the game again

[vapid garden]

so did the Recurve Bow get an update??
it feels longer to fire, I didn't see anything in the patch notes about it though

[late nova]

How does the fire shotgun even work?

[fiery nebula]

It doesn’t man it’s like shooting a nerf gun lol you can be 2 feet away n’ put all your 3 bullets into somebody n’ it will leave them at around 30-45 % health still n’ then I guess it tries to damage the remaining health with fire spread but it does nothing at all. It’s completely pointless n’ a waste of time to use until they do something about it.

[fiery nebula]

^

[late nova]

Does the fire ignite every shot or is it a chance?

[drowsy prism]

nerf bow

[fiery nebula]

I think it may be chance

It’s taken me all 3 bullets just to shoot out some poison gas because the first wouldn’t clear it as well as the second

[late nova]

Do you think it could be on the third shot only or maybe you have to land all three shots for an ignition?

[fiery nebula]

Prob just have to land all 3, the gun is weak asf so I wouldn’t doubt it. or maybe only the third bullet contains the fire

[late nova]

Ima have to test when I get home cause it could even be dependent on the pellets hit

[sullen bear]

To the lh1 users, how do you feel about the red dot vs scope

[drowsy prism]

THEY BOTH SUCK

[sullen bear]

You prefer irons?

[drowsy prism]

nah i dont play the game

[sullen bear]

If lh1 could get red dot I feel like pike could also

[sullen bear]

You just love socializing with us? 😂

[stable ice]

it's constant. i've been using it all morning and i'd say 2/3rd's of my shot's don't proc. it's really frusturating

[shell sonnet]

ive only been using it in the shooting range and it hasnt ignited anything at all yet, neither goo, gas nor dummies

[stable ice]

it can ignite gas, goo is so inconsistent though

[shell sonnet]

which makes me wonder, is it just generally bugged in the shooting range, or did i pull the 1/1.000.000 where it doesnt ignite anything in 25 shots

[stable ice]

could've been, it's really really dodgy in terms of damage and ignition

[royal pier]

Hopefully this leads to some sort of rework that makes burning consistent. It would help many different weapons and gadgets.

Get hit with fire damage, get burned, burn ends, brief window of burn immunity, get hit with fire damage, burn again. Doesn't seem complicated or difficult.

[fiery nebula]

pm me if u ever feel like playin' together

[green kite]

I just did a lot of testing, and it seems that the 93R only does 26 per shot and not 28 as listed

[late nova]

👌

[green kite]

Pretty easy to check in shooting range, as three shots to body doesn't remove the medium dummy

Which it should do if it did 28 damage, as three bursts would be 252 dmg, but it only does 234 damage

[little kayak]

The Cerberus- I’m like 90% sure on this- ignites depending on how many pellets hit the target within a certain timeframe. A full cluster up close is usually an instant ignition, while the spread at range makes it harder.

Id assume the time frame to ignite is about as long as it takes to spam all 3 shots. That would make sense, given the gun seems to be built around suppressing opponents so that they’re easier to eliminate for your team. It’s a support weapon.

[stable ice]

i shoot gas and goo point blank without igniting it half of the time, it's very inconsistent. it's reload speed needs to be upped if they keep it like this. it's ignition only does like 15 damage too

[keen crystal]

snipers are overused

also what do you guys think is the worst weapon for all 3 classes?

[little kayak]

I see where you’re coming from, but we’ve gotta keep the gun’s intent and use cases in mind. It’s on Medium for a reason, and in my experience it’s always the Lights or Heavies that initiate and end fights.
A side effect of the ignition is that it delays natural healing- which means that your teammates have more time to finish the job while you duck away to reload, or toss a nade or two to finish the job.

[noble kraken]

lockbolt doesnt track elims that are caused by it 😦

[little kayak]

Also If it’s pure damage you’re looking for, weapons like the AKM, 357R, and Model are better options overall.

[worldly maple]

Light - Dagger, it’s just too gimmicky, you do get those big numbers when you get behind an enemy, but at that point in a firefight it’s just luck

Medium - Riot Shield, the shield part is pretty good, being able to block shots, but the baton it comes with is fairly lacking

Heavy - Flamethrower, it’s alright sometimes, but the lack of range and meaningful damage output makes it a pretty unreliable weapon, just use the Lewis Gun

[little kayak]

Depends on how you play, and what class you stick with the most.
I have awful recoil control, so I tend to stay away from SMGs, ARs, and LMGs on their respective classes.

[wind lintel]

ngl I'm pretty happy to see embark doing a mass buff instead of the opposite

[wind lintel]

baton is fire wdym

[worldly maple]

Well, at least from my experience

[little kayak]

Honestly tho my last picks personally (not the worst by any means)
L-XP
M-Dual Blades
H-MGL

[worldly maple]

I generally don’t prefer melee weapons

[stable ice]

I don’t think it’s gimmick merits how much worse it is then the other weapons, if it consistently applied flame fine, but it literally just gets outperformed by everything else lol.

[worldly maple]

Holy shit, I’m trying the SHAK-50 in the practice range right now and I’m already in love

[little kayak]

It’s got its place as a support weapon for a support class. I’ve been going to town with it.

[little kayak]

So happy we have something AR-adjacent for the Heavy!

[bold cliff]

Even known that top 10 are some of them. block now. wow

[frigid cradle]

The new shotgun does NOT set structures on fire

[little kayak]

Yep!
Dragon’s Breath is more of like, a magnesium-based spark irl. Flamethrower and Pyro nades use liquid fuel, which sticks to surfaces.
It’s the same reason fire from the other two weapons are able to spread over water.

[worldly maple]

Man, I would have saved up my VRS if I knew that’s what it would have been

[little kayak]

Yeah, I was able to unlock it but I didn’t have enough for the red dot :(

Also I’m sorry if I’m being a Cerb glazer rn, It’s just my new favorite weapon and it’s a slow day at work lol

[worldly maple]

I’m not sure how it will stand up to the Twin 50s though

[little kayak]

Def seems like it has a shot consistency advantage, as well as the fire rate being much higher. We’ll see!

[wind lintel]

google says yes though, I'm no gun expert though

[little kayak]

Makes sense, I ain’t either lol.
Honestly I get the reason it doesn’t do structure damage for game balance. It’s a medium class weapon after all.

Good on you for actually looking that up too, I wouldn’t have known!

[worldly maple]

Yeah no, Dragons breath absolutely will light things like cloth on fire

[frigid cradle]

Im aware of irl lol. The patch notes said "...it also ignites the environment..." and it doesn't do that.

Im just saying, the gun IS supposed to light things on fire and it doesnt.

[flint stone]

it feels so bad, sometimes it can pop gas clouds and I dont think its set fire to goo a single time, it struggles to even light enemies on fire it feels like

[little kayak]

Ah shit, guess so!

[soft juniper]

The Vortex Kinda sucks feels like it dose absolutely nothing

I feel it would have been better as a Grenade over a detonation

hell making it a land mine would be better too

[mortal bane]

Anyone else feel like light is absolutely trash this season?

[soft juniper]

Light got honestly nothing this season if the vortex is this bad

[worldly maple]

Supposedly all the guns got a slight damage buff

So that could be it

[mortal bane]

Like, now heavy got a big damage gun so he has over twice as much health and the same dmg as a light and movement doesn't matter in this game

[worldly maple]

I don’t know, movement is pretty important

[white torrent]

How does the cerberus work

[worldly maple]

And the light class is supposed to be used for evasion and steal

[worldly maple]

Well, right now it doesn’t, it’s got consistency issues

But we should expect to see that ironed out in the next week or so

[soft juniper]

So far the only thing that looks good this season thats new is the Heavys weapon...again

[wind lintel]

lockbolt is pretty dope

[worldly maple]

Hey the new map is pretty tight

[little kayak]

Excited to try it- hadn’t gotten it in rotation yet

[worldly maple]

Oh it’s fantastic

It’s got this unique modifier called “Suspended sponsor structures” where buildings bigger than Monaco’s apartments are just hanging out in the sky

I’ve been having a blast with it

[winter panther]

THE NEW SHOTGUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN IT FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSS AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGG

[little kayak]

A FELLOW CERB GLAZER LETS GOOO

[soft juniper]

I dont count maps
I only really care about weapons and balance changes

[winter panther]

I DONT SEE MYSELF TAKING IT OFFFFFFF

[little kayak]

It makes Light players run for their lives, and as someone who plays a lil bit of all 3 I think that’s hilarious

[winter panther]

In first tourney of the season with it at the finals with 31 total kills

It just feels so good

[little kayak]

I’m seeing a ton of mixed opinions on it, and it’s totally understandable. It’s one of those kinda guns that you need to click with.

[winter panther]

never clicked with a gun so hard in a game

[worldly maple]

Ehhhh. . Ok

Y’all idk if anyone has noticed but I’m absolutely vibing to this lobby music

[little kayak]

Oh my god yeah.

[winter panther]

There music is always good!

Boom first tourney of the season won with 38 kills of pure cerberus

[little kayak]

I was talking earlier about how it’s a killer support weapon. It delays health regen long enough for you to combo it with a nade or have a teammate get the kill!

[winter panther]

Its damage is really good aswell and the feel is easily the best in the game to me!... Something finally topped double barrel

[soft juniper]

let me rephrase that
new maps arnt on my top priority for looking at a new season

[royal pier]

Did you bribe embark, because most seem to hate it lol.

[little kayak]

I’m in the same boat a @winter panther and I ain’t seeing no money from embark lol

[winter panther]

I love it simple as that!

[versed siren]

does glitch cancel lock

[white torrent]

idk bruh I like it but the fire feels very inconsistent

[drifting pine]

it doesnt do enough dmg

[drifting pine]

also this

[little kayak]

I’m in the camp that believes it isn’t supposed to be a finisher weapon- I use it to suppress enemies and stunt their regen with the burn!

[still parrot]

I've been having a nice time with the shotgun

[drifting pine]

the burn doesnt do enough tho

even taking out some gas takes 2-3 shots : |

[raven remnant]

how's the new medium shotgun?

[drifting pine]

loads of fun, can do 3 shots to medium if you are really up close

not enough damage and often end up relying on the burning effect to get the last bit of HP from opponents, so its unreliable in some ways

Shak50 feels very balanced, but maybe 2-3 more shots in the mag wouldnt hurt

[toxic plover]

@polar troutthere you are. i did some testing and lockbolt wont suspend a cashout, pretty sure it just waste a tether

[shy sigil]

Am I going insane or does the shak cause lag

[gaunt rose]

Anyone have any tips on using the matter shotgun? It just seems to put out damage so slow that I'm usually dead before I can do much

[spiral pilot]

Anyone tell me how good the 93r is now, can’t play the finals at he moment

[wind lintel]

get into rhythm and flick has worked for me

[idle pulsar]

I would like the riot shield to get buffed like a movement buff thoughts?

[dreamy sage]

The shaks hipfire is kinda dirty?

[hallow leaf]

Since medium will never get a stun or slowing gadget (thost are apparently heavy and light exclusive) both the dual blades and riot should should have a passive movement speed increase

[fair raptor]

is it me or the nwe shotgun doesnt do any damge

[dawn swan]

Thank you dev for Lewis optics

[idle pulsar]

@hallow leaf I was thinking a shield bash that knock backs or something

Or a bull rush or like a role

[dawn swan]

I like the way shak is designed now because its key is trading mag size with damage. It is all about landing more shots in a single mag. More mag size might make it overly oppressive for medium and light

[narrow solar]

what kind of uses would the new light gadget be good for? kind of lost on the point of it

[dawn swan]

Trap people init and nade them with right timing? Just kidding

[dreamy sage]

New light gadget plus pyro/flamethrower/gasnade is pretty spicy

[dawn swan]

well yeah especially gas nade

Just throw gas nade together with vortex and they shred

[raven knot]

straight trash

[raven remnant]

😩

[narrow solar]

thats so incredibly niche i feel like

idk why i would choose it over sonar or stun or grenade or invis bomb or breach or pyro nade or gateway or goo

it just feels like a quick excuse to make it feel like they havent forgotten the light

after deciding to add the motion sensor to medium

[dreamy sage]

Well the gadget is a lot of fun to play around with at least.

[polar trout]

gotcha, thanks

[burnt stratus]

Hi everyone, I am curious about the SR-84, it was supposed to be buffed for Season 5 according to previews I saw on Youtube (damage increase), but I see no mention of it in the patch notes. Do you know if the damage for that weapon was changed in Season5? Thanks

[acoustic mason]

demat nerf is too fucki much man cmon with this shit

[lament ginkgo]

what nerf? don't remember anything in the notes

[acoustic mason]

after being fibbed u cant use them to get away anymore

[lament ginkgo]

oh, well is more like a new mechanic, and a general nerf to med. Maybe reducing the cooldown could be better

[acoustic mason]

precisely

[silk cargo]

i think they should be able to use specialty but thats it

[hot anchor]

new shotgun need bufffff

[dawn swan]

New shotgun definitely need buff

[restive plover]

buff the fire damage and make it be able to light goo on fire please

[restive plover]

at least the triple m meta isnt as strong

also i think it be cool if maybe we could get more specialties

[south dew]

Rn its trash yeah 😄

[restive plover]

if they buff it tho it might be up to the level of the model

but i think buffing the fire element of it would make it balanced while also making new niches within the class

also btw it be really funny if they added an air gun/air riffle

[soft juniper]

I do agree its fun but to work it needs more suction to it, I find either no one getting pulled into it or it does barraly anything

[restive plover]

i wish it had a larger radius with no arm time yeah, ive tried to use it with no success

[soft juniper]

you needs a good buff was hoping to use it as a trap to suck people into so I can attack them with a sword

[restive plover]

Not at all, we don't need another model.

[restive plover]

i see your point but it should at LEAST be able to 3 shot a heavy point blank

[hot anchor]

the fire is neglectable, the mag is small, the damage is tickling, the reload is sleepy

I originally though it burn u just like thremal or flame thrower

[restive plover]

i also thought it would set off goo nades

[hot anchor]

but te fact is that it burn u with a lighter lmao

[restive plover]

It's not a weapon for 1v1's, it's a weapon for setting people up or finishing them off for your team. In short: a support tool.

It is actually a well balanced shotgun for medium.

[hot anchor]

if u have time to set ppl u u already kill them with model

[restive plover]

i shouldn’t need to literally communicate with my team to properly use a weapon+ thats a role filled by another class, light

[restive plover]

And model is still unbalanced.

so is the pike to a certain extent

No, not at all.

its still very strong last i used it

Long range is not, has not, and will never be relevant in this game. And that's the only range where the pike functions.

[hot anchor]

thats funny to say model imba bc everything else got nerfed for a loop

[restive plover]

they added an ENTIRE FEATURE so that most weapons can function at LONGER RANGES

To boot the stk increases have hurt the long range effectiveness disproportionately, since pacing your shots is common at that range.

[restive plover]

What?

[restive plover]

slap irons on the pike and you can use it at closer ranges

[restive plover]

No you can't because the irons are terrible and obscure everything. That's what adding customizable sights was about, actually being able to see what you're shooting at at any range.

[hot anchor]

pike scope is too large, basically u cant use it like sr bc its shoot is not pain for hitting

[restive plover]

sir the pike has a 3x sniper optic on it, last i checked irons only have like 1.3x

tbh get good

So? Iron sights still physically block you from seeing what you're aiming at.

so? get good

Same problem existed on a number of other weapons: famas, lh1, v9s, 93r, hence the addition of sights.

we have had to live with irons for 3 seasons before they added customized sights

[restive plover]

Or perhaps you could get good and learn to use the scope at shorter ranges. You'd be better for it.

[restive plover]

since when did 93r have sights

[restive plover]

I thought they gave it a red dot this update, no?

[restive plover]

as a matter of fact i actually have, i crush people

i do the same thing with the LH1

no one talks about how good it is when it kinda dwarfs the V9S

i really think the LH1 is a bit of a sleeper pick

People talk about how good the lh1 is all the time. It's been hard meta since season 1.

https://tenor.com/view/special-dumb-dummy-gif-7068419121745449264

does the light double barrel two tap heavies?

Embed catastrophe.

[restive plover]

yes

it has, and always will

also the LH1 was a complete joke for like 2 seasons are you actually kidding me?

No? In season one it was light's strongest gun with absolutely no competition. Would kill faster than anything else with even a single headshot and had 80 meters before any falloff. People only didn't use it more because the visual recoil would give you a migraine.

[plain wasp]

Just plain wrong

I've been using it since s1

[restive plover]

And it's only been nerfed since then, so I don't know how it would be a joke then and not now.

[plain wasp]

Except for the 3.0 LH1 incident

[restive plover]

Minor trolling.

[hot anchor]

embug studio

[restive plover]

heckler & koch confirmed

[tawdry zinc]

New medium gun or heavy gun is better?

[tacit vigil]

did they nerf the bow?

feels so much slower to load this season

[faint steppe]

Yeah, they fixed a bug that caused your follow-up shots to not do any damage. And they fixed it by just slowing it down lol

[near moss]

heavy by far

[strong blaze]

i feel like it sucks compared to the lmgs

[near moss]

at what range tho?

[strong blaze]

any tbh

m60 is better up close imo

[near moss]

Lewis gun with Reddot is the best over all

[strong blaze]

havent tried it yet been broke on the currency

[near moss]

its good

[sleek dock]

Pls pls pls pls embark raise the chance of getting the new map for a while after it dropped… I don’t want to feel like im playing the same game as I was last season (especially because for some reason, aka developers being super lazy, light did not get a new weapon even though other 2 classes got one)

[hardy dust]

New heavy gun is super good but punishing to miss.

Kills way faster than the lmgs.

[shrewd vault]

its sooo funnn after a long time i enjoyed a weapon do uk the damage of that gun?

[hardy dust]

30 damage (2 shots of 15).

[cinder maple]

Wanted to know the damage thanks

[shrewd vault]

gadamnn i js hope it doesnt get nerfed to the ground i love that gun so much 😭

[hardy dust]

It's probably gonna get nerfed but it's so fun to use.

[frank wren]

am i a meta bitch or am i cool

usually i run explo mine but i need the defib for the res challenge

[shut bane]

Wouldn’t exactly call the new shotty Meta tbh

And defib is still the play in most cases

Just need to compensate for the lack of range

[hardy dust]

New shotgun isn't gonna be meta as long as model exists.

[shut bane]

Meh model is about as good as light and heavies shotties now I’d say, I’d rather run something with range over model now personally

[shrewd vault]

i hope not ;-;

[frank wren]

defib doesnt work with my playstyle too well tbh

[hardy dust]

Its still very good.

[shut bane]

Same with the mass, db, sa12 imo

I’d actually rather the m26 matter and db

[terse gorge]

If they spam out weapons, this game is gonna be a second cod in a year. We are still all used to three weapons because that was standard for the start of the game to get a big equipment very fast

[hybrid moss]

New shotty running it as a trio is absolutely meta

[shut bane]

It’s a shotty, which means lights will die just as easily to the Cerberus as well, it’s funny because it stinks against higher health targets but chunks lights, we’re bound to get differing opinions in terms of whether or not it’s op or weak

Worst part about classes in multiplayer pvp games is how everyone creates their own interpretations of “balance” for something that won’t ever be balanced

Nobodies saying shit now but they will soon enough

[frank wren]

dematerializer underrated af

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[hybrid moss]

Nah I play as heavy. We were getting sniped with it across the map. Why playtesters dont give decent feedback anymore is beyond me

[shut bane]

I wouldn’t exactly call it the best ranged option tbh but it will kill a heavy fast at point blank

Faster than model even

[charred snow]

The shAK-50 is so strong. Maybe too strong. Hopefully they don’t nerf it into the ground like the pike 🙏🙏🙏

[drifting pine]

Why can't Cerberus light goo bruh

Make fire more and up the damage or rate of fire, or reduce spread. Anything

[drifting pine]

It's alright, balanced tbhhhh

[charred snow]

I must be too good then 🙄🙄

I haven’t ’sold’ in any of my games and I’m loving the new respawn system. Now your shitty solo queue teammates die and and you can respawn earlier 😁😁

[drifting pine]

youre too good bro crazy

[lethal hazel]

meta is shak-50

this bullshit shotgun not meta

and pls remove shotgun from game

[hallow leaf]

It can, just not friendly goo

[hasty pilot]

م

[drifting pine]

yea but it shoud light all tho

[upper sinew]

decreas the spread form the new shotgun (for more consistant hit and add ignitabillety on goo)

?

(for M its a universal tool then a gunn like the flame trower )

[terse raptor]

Wdym, it sucks but is a cool concept that just needs a few buffs

[slate tundra]

sorry random meessssage need lvl

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[fleet brook]

Light when they see any viable burst weapon

"It's op"

[turbid tendon]

and “nerf plz”

[fleet brook]

Also how did the community come to the agreement that light would be the basis of hp for what we consider strong when medium exists

Light the class with purposely low HP somehow became this communitys benchmark for op

[steady crag]

Nerf the M11 please

[plain wasp]

No

[soft juniper]

What if Gravity vortex was switched to a medium gadget and Lock bolt was the new light gadget?

[wind folio]

Lockbolt is bigger than light

[fleet brook]

Light having a way to lock down /manipulate your movement has never gone wrong

[lethal hazel]

and all weapons on light

[terse raptor]

That's a joke... right

[lethal hazel]

no it's not

[fossil juniper]

i think the balance is in a okay state atm - some weaopons miss a little bit of love but they'll come back soon i guess

[plain wasp]

Vortex isn't very powerful

[fleet brook]

I meant giving light lock bolt

[plain wasp]

Oh yeah that's a bit far

[fleet brook]

It just didn't reply

[plain wasp]

Vortex does the same but is usually easily escapable

[terse raptor]

Then you should play light for a little while and see just how absurd that sounds to say nerf everything

[spare folio]

which gun is medium meta?

[fading crater]

Swords, trust me

[vestal lotus]

The revolver buff has been so sweet. I always went for those hip fire shots before but now they hit so much more often. Switching off the new shot gun back to my trusty 6 shooter just to g 17 1 in the second round of a WT feels good

[jolly bison]

U mean s5? How did they buff it?

[jolly bison]

Famas/model if u like girls

[hardy dust]

Better hipfire

[vestal lotus]

Hip fire is 20% more accurate now pretty much. (Check out the patch notes brother)

[jolly bison]

Overall, or just in crouch?

[hardy dust]

Overall

[jolly bison]

Omfg IM JESSIE MCCREE NOW

[arctic fog]

Yeah that was a serious missed opportunity

[vale mulch]

Cerberus can clear gas I think

[jolly bison]

But it can lol. As I remember, after 3rd shot it’s fires goo and gas.

Otherwise it’s a bug, this gun must do that.

[vale wedge]

XP-54 is goated rn

[fathom meteor]

no

[hasty juniper]

anyone have detailed damage stats on the cerberus yet?

[fathom meteor]

that name is diabolical

[plain wasp]

Yall enjoying the new sucky sucky cylinder on light

[hasty juniper]

it’s so good tho

i love it

[fathom meteor]

I haven't used it yet😭

[plain wasp]

It kills light easy but not heavy

[hasty juniper]

it’s a little getting used to, but once you get dialled in it’s so good

[plain wasp]

Or so I've heard, I don't use shotguns

[hasty juniper]

if you land all three shots, all pellets on Heavy they will have just a sliver of health left, and the burn takes care of it

[fathom meteor]

all i use is heavy or light I jus can't play medium 4 some reason

[rare birch]

Hey guys, I have 2 questions as a newish player:
How does Spear compare to Hammer DPSwhise?
Is using Lockbolt ever worth it? I tried it and it just instantly dies all the time

[solemn hull]

Best light build?

[cyan bobcat]

Hammer is just better in every way

[rare birch]

Thanks :>

[sand monolith]

Cloak, LH1, goo grenade, stun gun, gateway

[solemn hull]

how does it work?

[sand monolith]

Sit in cloak standing still and burst people down with LH1 then reposition

[solemn hull]

so camper build?

[sand monolith]

Goo grenade for a quick defense up close and then cloak behind it so they can’t tell which way you go immediately

Stun gun for stopping steals and dropping boxes

Gate for verticality

[spare turret]

I found a glitch with the jump pad where if you slide into it while grabbing it and you bounce in the air on it, your hand turns into your gun.

[sand monolith]

It’s a more defensive build yeah but it’s the best light build in comp

[vale mulch]

Goo grenade?

I'll have to try it later

[plain wasp]

I've been using vortex instead of goo

[sand monolith]

Goo grenade is imo the best gadget for light at least in higher tiers of play

When the survivability tied to your specs is nearly useless in high elo because players are good, goo grenade gives a consistent way to block damage

[rare birch]

Is the Lockbolt bugged or am I using it wrong? It just instantly explodes without doing anything

[sand monolith]

Although this cloak buff is finally some consistent survivability so maybe we will see goo grenade phase out of cloak builds

[sand monolith]

Someone has to be nearby for it to trigger

Lockbolt is kind of ass

[rare birch]

Oh, so I can't preemptively set it as a trap? That's really bad :<

[sand monolith]

But also the gadget is kinda conceptually dumb and they should do some workshopping a bit before making it better. Nobody wants an AOE stun to be meta

[torn mantle]

S2 had the best spec/gadget additions Imo

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s unbelievably situational

[vale mulch]

S2 had the best skins

[frosty jasper]

Lh1 or 93R

[vast blaze]

say.... is it just me or is the cerberus shotgun kinda uhhhhh.... missing fire?

its supposed to hold incindary rounds but.... i shot grass, its not on fire, i shot goo 10x it breaks but no fire, i shot enemys... maybe 1/10 battles they happen to be on fire

[mystic nimbus]

s1 too

[jolly bison]

M11, dash, gate, vanish, zap.

Or hook instead of dash, in that case u don’t need the gate way, so u can take some nades.

[arctic plaza]

I need 50 more vrs to get the new shot gun IS IT WORTH IT?

[cyan bobcat]

Light weapon concept: AK micro
❓ an AK cut down to almost pistol size
🩸 dmg: 22, 31 for headshots | falloff start: 18m (59ft) 0%, max falloff: 24m (79ft) -55% dmg
🔥 rpm: 450
mag size: 25
⏱️ reload speed: 2s (empty), 2,5s (tactical)
🎯 aimed accuracy: okay | hip-fire accuracy: very good
💪 recoil kick: very hard (less in hip-fire)

thoughts?

[arctic plaza]

Its good but a bit op for light

[jolly bison]

Ak micro, like small caliber?

Small caliber - AK “Vityaz”
Mid caliber - AK “SU” or AK “Suchka”

[cyan bobcat]

no its just a short barrel and no stock

[jolly bison]

AKS-74U?

Oh I saw that mod, gotcha.

[hasty juniper]

yes

[cyan bobcat]

but it could be 300 AAC/7.62x35mm (the same as in the honey badger)

[jolly bison]

Anyway “Vityaz” is looks more suitable for Light. Check this one.

[cyan bobcat]

aint rifle or pdw caliber

[jolly bison]

They were not released in these calibers, except for the American modifications. 7.62 for a long barrel only.

The most common caliber is 5.45 for shortened versions of any AK.

although, maybe I don't know something.

[cyan bobcat]

its not that deep though. devs got the shak 12 wrong too, it shoots 2 bullets in game even tho its not DB

[jolly bison]

Simply 7.62, this is a caliber that can penetrate walls, it would definitely not be in service with a shortened barrel and a folding stock. Departure squads, or squads operating indoors, most often use SU, or small-caliber AK. In Soviet times, they used "Grach", or "VSS Vintorez".

[jolly bison]

To be honest, I was shocked.

[cyan bobcat]

7.62x39 or 7.62x51?

[jolly bison]

I apologize. Not "Grach" but "Kedr".

[jolly bison]

51 is a NATO standard. Post-Soviet countries use it extremely rarely.

In general, foreign modifications for NATO calibers are used only abroad, since calibers of a different format are common there.

but the way Shak shoots is funny. it only has one barrel. XD

[cyan bobcat]

caliber discussion aside, the finals is set somewhere in 2100 so embark can pretty much make up weapons from their head, like a pistol size AK chambered in PDW calibers

[jolly bison]

just at the moment, in my opinion, if it corresponds to the weapon released in our time. I thought it was a trend.

By the way, it would be interesting to see a 4 barrel derringer as a gadget.

[cyan bobcat]

yes, so far all guns in the finals are based off real guns. but id love to see something more scifi stuff.

[cyan bobcat]

good idea. a self defense option for dagger users

[plain wasp]

Add railgun to the finals

[jolly bison]

Overall, this would suit any melee player. However, it still won't counter the zap gun.

(((

[unborn lake]

The Lockbolt

[jolly bison]

What about the GAUSS GUN?

[cyan bobcat]

aint that the same thing

[unborn lake]

The new shotgun needs one more round per reload

[plain wasp]

Add THE breaker blade for heavy

[cyan bobcat]

bro its a triple barrel you would need a whole new gun for that

[plain wasp]

It is named after a dog with 3 heads

[unborn lake]

That dog should have had 4 heads. It may still be alive

i was talking about that heavy one though lol

[cyan bobcat]

too much energy consumption

[jolly bison]

Yeah, but they're sticking to the verisimilitude of the weapons. They have to be at least a little realistic.

[cyan bobcat]

its literally not a shotgun

[arctic plaza]

The new shot gun is op I'm shocked rn

[jolly bison]

I would find something like Apex's Charge Rifle out of place.

[jolly bison]

lol???

[cyan bobcat]

yeah its TOO sci fi

[arctic plaza]

20 elims with the shot gun god dayum this shi needs to be nerfed

[unborn lake]

i remember my first quick cash

[cyan bobcat]

you got lucky the enemy had a skill issue

[vagrant pike]

jump pad nerf wholly unnecessary

[hardy jasper]

Does it actually ignite people? I tried it in the training area and it didn't seem light the targets or the goo

I don't have enough VRs for it tho so I can't try it in game

[arctic plaza]

It does but only for like 5 seconds

[jolly bison]

Not even 5 seconds dude. Like 2 secs.

[arctic plaza]

Ikr😭

[rocky mica]

lh1 is busted

[drifting pine]

Yea it does wack damage per pellet and wack damage overall. Burn damage is also wack

only good for lights, less than mid against mediums and bad against heavy

[vale panther]

bro fuck this new gadget cooldown on revive

Defibs are NOT OP. Not at all. You know how many times people will wait by your dead body after a defib and light you on fire before you spawn back in and then they headshot you??? The only way to survive a defib was to use a gadget like goo grenade or jump pad. BUT NO. Now we just get spawn camped. WTF is the point of defib anymore??? You can't do tactical revives anymore because no one can defend themselves for 5 seconds

[mortal bane]

Defibs were my most definitely OP my guy

[fleet brook]

Tbf that's already capable of being produced it'd just be to expensive to produce

[hardy jasper]

You havent felt the pain of picking off a full medium team just for them to be able to instantly revive eachother

I was running light, picked off two of them. Third one runs in and revives his teammate then pick him off. teammate that just got revived revives another teammate, then was able to pick him off aswell barely. Final teammate then kills me and revives his other teammates. Four kills by myself from people all on the same team and it wasnt even a teamwipe

Dont get me wrong, its a great thing to have, but it most definitely is op and is always worth bringing

[sand monolith]

Defibs are not op and their nerf needs to be reverted

[toxic fulcrum]

Please buff medium, what is with the constant nerf?

[sand monolith]

Your example is you 1v3ing mediums that have full util off cooldown. I’d absolutely hope the 3 mediums have a strong team sustain or else the entire class is pointless

The only issue is defib is its weakness (closing the gap) being completely negated by the model 1887. Nobody complained about defib until model meta became mainstream. And instead of properly nerfing the model, embark nerfed the defibs instead. Leading to medium being balanced more as a boring cod character that encroached on the niche of both heavy and light. Rather than being an actual interesting combat medic

[hasty juniper]

dummies cannot light on fire. it does light contestants tho

[west magnet]

HOW THE HELL DOES A PISTOL OUTSNIPE AN AR GOING BURST

[swift cradle]

So interestingly enough, I think there's enough reason to not equip defib in s5 depending on the map or situation.

It's gonna be weird adjusting to the change though. Defib has been the main gadget on mid for so long. It's still makes me skeptical seeing it not used on other mid loadouts.

[narrow solar]

Lmao a lot of mediums crying over the best class being nerfed slightly

Wasn’t enough in my opinion but we’ll see out it plays out and see if it affects usage rates at all

Keep in mind medium also got smokes and proximity sensor

[sullen bear]

so why doesn't pike get a red dot when lh1 does? wouldn't it still be balanced?

[sullen bear]

do you think its enough to change the medium meta

i mean like MMx or MMM

[summer bronze]

nerf the double barrel shotgun

[worn smelt]

does the lh1 acog still have glare?

[upbeat kite]

Damn, that bow nerf feels so ass. It’s almost unplayable

[torn socket]

The update was good but the updates feels underwhelming the weapons and gadgets costing 2000 does not help it I feel like the game did not change a lot at all

[worn smelt]

please increase xp5 damage again. 16dpb is one of the lowest in the game. the gun is terrible

[narrow solar]

Mm I doubt it, the being able to quickly res in a dangerous area is super valuable still. You probably won’t see the pros switching off of it

[vale mulch]

Just +1 damage per bullet would be amazing

[narrow solar]

They nerfed the bow???

Also it might just be me but the invis rework feels off, just toggling it on and off once only gives you like 5 seconds to move around

I don’t see a use in running it anymore over the invis bomb

[white torrent]

what is the cerburus's max dmg with one shot?

not including fire

[obsidian lagoon]

I think like around 100

You can’t melee combo lights but they are veryyyyy low

[junior ginkgo]

what does the new medium shotn gun do?

[hollow widget]

the nerf makes rezzing lights worthless in a fight

[sand monolith]

Yes

And heavies. Ironically, the nerf encourages defibbing mediums

It also encourages running model as that’s the only weapon that’s saving you from the glitched state on medium

[normal ice]

Sorry, mate. I said this before, but Defibs were complained about in S1, too, when Model wasn't meta. They were nerfed back then because Defibs themselves were too strong. And yet Defib has literally always had a 100% pickrate up to at least Season 4, because they were still too strong.

It is entirely possible for the support class to be too good at supporting, and nerfing that supportive ability doesn't inherently make it useless.

That being said, I think the way they nerfed them now was unintuitive and weird. I'd prefer fixed 100 health on revive or a few seconds of a movement penalty or something over causing a separate shift on what gadgets are useful/not useful when defibbing or being defibbed.

[junior basin]

Yeah, heavy and light usually just use their abilities when they respawn so theyed be hit hard

Dome, charge, winch, dash, grapple, etc.

[sand monolith]

Yes defibs were complained about in season 1 because their weakness (closing the gap) wasn’t present at all. They were arguably stronger in cqc than mid range

[normal ice]

I guess with the i-frames, yeah, but the i-frames still exist

That's another aspect I'd like removed to be honest

[sand monolith]

The lack of a hologram is what made defibs stronger in cqc than mid range. The immediate res was impossible to react to. Their charge up was also shorter in s1

[normal ice]

That too

[junior basin]

That said I probably don't really care about the nerf, just means I'm not gonna respawn and charge someone to death just because I died and my teammate suicide resed me

[sand monolith]

Defibs were balanced. They were also the only healing gadget in the game. You cannot balance the pick rate of limited healing. Look at healing beam lol

[junior basin]

Even within the context of healing id still question their balance even if we had other gadgets tbh

[sand monolith]

Defibs should be nerfed once we get more healing gadgets, to stop medium from actually being too strong in support. But nerfing the maximum support output of medium rn is stupid

[vale mulch]

Healing beam nerfs just made it less satisfying, people still heal mid fight, they can still just heal the charging heavy for free value, embark should have addressed the problem directly instead of just nerfing healing beam

[normal ice]

Nah, if the healing is bad enough, it can be worth not taking, even if it is the only source of healing in the game.

And honestly, if you only have one Medium, Demat and Healing Beam are both debatably worth taking. Because Demat has unique utility, too

[sand monolith]

If the healing is bad enough yes, not balanced enough. There is no state where the sole healing item can be at a healthy pickrate. We literally just need more and should leave it alone until then

[glad cliff]

ba ba booey

[junior basin]

Honestly It's an item that I kinda wonder if they would be been better off not having in the game from the start

[normal ice]

I agree that more healing options would be nice. But until then, I'm glad Defib got hit a little lol

And while I'm not the biggest fan of the change, it does at least incentivize using it more defensively than abusing its i-frames

[sand monolith]

I would have rather just had iframes removed. This nerf was incredibly short sighted and made the issue worse in higher elo

It also disproportionately affects mediums class design as a whole? Medium no longer has one insane strength when triple stacked. They’re just a boring triple stack of cod characters. Which is unbelievably lame and I’m surprised embark went down that route

[vale mulch]

The day a placable heal sprinkler is added is the day I die happy

[covert parcel]

wasnt there a healing station or some equivilant in the alpha or beta

[normal ice]

I mean, they can still stack healing, defibs, movement, or traps. The defibs just have to be spaced out more

[junior basin]

Id prefer a healing bolt skillshot kind of item

[normal ice]

Healing station would be cool, as long as it isn't infinite

[vale mulch]

Maybe you have to activate it by holding e

[junior basin]

You know what? Heal station would be a sick respawning barrel

But that would require map design changes

Like, to elaborate - you throw it kinda like a red barrel, it sticks itself onto a wall, and then starts sprinkling

[normal ice]

I think it's more typical of barrel behavior for it to explode into a burst of healing or a lingering healing cloud

But we got a lot of barrels as it is at the moment. They still haven't fixed Data Reshaper and the way it cycles between Glitch Barrels

[junior basin]

And that's why it would be unique!
Also slightly more interactable since it becomes destroyable mid fight/glitchable

[runic thunder]

Remove riot sheild

[sharp wing]

make riot shield baton one shot

[normal ice]

It's been in the game for a year, man. They ain't just gonna remove it

[runic thunder]

i know, it just feels so unpleasant to play against

theres no real counter to it besides pyro and it promotes such turtle play and with how the rest of the game plays it feels out of place

if he has a pocket Med with beam you are never killing him

[unborn lake]

where is my broadsword. I wanna be william wallace.

[hallow current]

Hey, have they changed the Thermal Vision yet?

Last time I got to play I had to pull out a tablet THEN activate the ability.

Have they made it easier to use the Thermal Vision?

[runic thunder]

no u still pull out the tablet

lights are all ipad kids so it makes sense

[hallow current]

Shame.

I don't like the slight inconvenience of having to do another step before using that ability. It would be so cool running that with invis...

[runic thunder]

if there was no tablet it would basically be a secondary specialization

thermal cloak is still very good if you can keep track of ur invis

[shadow onyx]

They should make it as a place-able item for medium that has limited uses. Like in other games how the medic can put down a med pack that other people can use similar to ww3.

[runic thunder]

med should have sonar nade imo

they had it S1 then it was taken from us

[restive plover]

Double barrel for light from 1-10 ?

In terms of how good it is

[runic thunder]

6 very good but you have to get way too close

[restive plover]

I feel like once u master it its 8-9

It can be deadly when ur aim is good

[normal ice]

It's meta. To be clear, other options like LH1 are also meta. But not many things can kill Light or Heavy as quickly as SH1900 can

[runic thunder]

m11 or lh1 reward good aim so much more and allow you to stay at more safe ranges

[normal ice]

You pick and choose it depending on the map and the team compositions

[runic thunder]

you have to be in their butt to hit every db pellet

[normal ice]

LH1 is arguably the strongest Light gun, yeah. But you can technically out-TTK it with SH1900 in the right situations

Dash always exists

[runic thunder]

it does but then gets joked by lockbolt and if they are playing together they will trap you and if you dont kill their main dps then you will just die

i play exclusively med so i might be talking out my ass but i find db lights easy to smash on if you can move around and get them to miss even one shot

m11 and lh1 i have much more trouble with

bc you are still gonna out dps med and heavy at their prefered ranges so you can get them into fights they wont win if you can hit heads with those two

[restive plover]

close range is so bad for it

[normal ice]

It still has one of the fastest TTKs in the game even at close range. It's just harder to aim

[restive plover]

yup

but i feel like sh1900 is just overkill once ur aim is good

(never nerf it)

[runic thunder]

yeah but you get pounded from anywhere over 5 feet away

i like the cerb a whole lot man

underrated on utility with the flame shells

[runic thunder]

lh1 rewards good aim just as much but you dont have to be inside them, db in ranked will get you killed when the teams are all playing close to eachother

[humble dirge]

Out of ten how would u rank the famas for medium

[white torrent]

does each cerberus pellet have an equal chance to set a person on fire or do you have to hit a certain amount

[runic thunder]

10 it is mediums best gun, AKM is more usable but famas has highest dps if you're hitting shots

[merry crown]

instead healing beam there should just be healing packs around the map. that would be much cooler

[normal ice]

10, meta along with Model

[runic thunder]

i don't think no beam, but i do like the idea of med packs so you arent stuck to just be dead if u have no beam

[merry crown]

also am I using the cerberus wrong or does it just do no damage. what is the point of this weapon

[heavy sequoia]

Hi

[keen turtle]

can you give some examples? burning down goo fortifications seems like a big W for medium. Otherwise you need demat for entry

[runic thunder]

the ability to clear goo and gas with your primary lets you free up a util spot in place of pyros, letting you use that spot for better entry tools and or combat tools

[runic thunder]

you have to get very close like the DB

[toxic plover]

I kinda wish lockbolt was a little bit better. Someone please comment on this

[slow linden]

I agree

Anyone else use goo gun and flamethrower to combo people

[plucky spade]

Time for my lukewarm take

[keen turtle]

I like to goo gun and sledge hammer combo

[plucky spade]

What if pre nerf pike but with 7 shots in the mag only

[humble dirge]

Ive been using it for a while and ive gotten pretty good results. I was a bit concerned about its viability against fcar in ranked but ig its the better choice

Ive also been running riotshield as a secondary is it any good for ranked.

[slow linden]

Beautiful combo,but try with flamethrower,if they're completely encased it's like you're hitting them with 3 flamethrowers at once

[plucky spade]

If you can make it work

It needs a team to even start to work

[slow linden]

You can also suppress marksmen with the goo gun and it annoys the heck out of them

[runic thunder]

if you can get shifty you'll make an fcar player miss and they don't have the mag size to get into long engagements

[toxic plover]

What would you like to see changed

[slow linden]

Tether needs to be a little stronger,I think being able to use it like a trap would be cool,the radius is right where it needs to be

[toxic plover]

Tether definitely needs to be stronger, I think it needs to last twice as long because currently, they just ignore it and for the most part aren't punished for it.

[slow linden]

I could see that,you do have a point

Being able to use it as a trap would be sick tho

[runic thunder]

i think it should work like a bear trap

[toxic plover]

Also I am 100% on board for letting it work as a trap. I think it shouldn't have the connect delay though and it should be able to tether your teams cashout so you can hold it on ceilings

[slow linden]

That'd be dope,maybe a counter or quirk of it would be it could grab barrels and throwables too from all teams

[toxic plover]

I tested this with a friend, but I tried tethering barrels and throwing them off ledges. Barely did a damn thing.

I didn't try explosive cannister though. Pretty sure nothing would happen

[slow linden]

I mean grenades n stuff too

Like it can only grab a certain amount of things and using it to catch bombs and potentially use them against your enemy would be a funny use

[toxic plover]

That would be cool. Shouldn't be limited to the three tethers though

[slow linden]

Not three more like 5 to 8

Three is much too small

[toxic plover]

For sure. I'm just kinda disappointed that it doesn't have a lot of applications

[slow linden]

Yeah,imagine using it to counter grenade launcher spam

[humble dirge]

Honestly whenever i go into engagemenda with fcar in close range i change to hip fire and spam crouch just cause the famas’ hipfire is soooo accurate.

[unborn frigate]

fcar not famas

[silver gust]

What are the thoughts on the Lockbolt so far ?

[humble dirge]

Oh no i meant famas

[unborn frigate]

wait nvm i misread your sentance

[humble dirge]

Like against fcar and im using famas

[unborn frigate]

yea i misread it

[toxic plover]

I hate that the new light gadget does exactly what the heavy gadget does but better. I'm tired of that shit.

[slow linden]

Which one

[white torrent]

did they fix goo launch ?????? 😦

[toxic plover]

The vortex

[slow linden]

Yeah

[toxic plover]

I also hate that heavy has such slow health regen

It's bullshit

[slow linden]

Yeah,also no light even uses that gadget,love how light players complain that their class is boring and doesn't have anything but just invis 1 tap with the double barrel or just roof camp with a sniper

[sinful dagger]

I don't believe anyone thinks light is the most boring. Light is just inferior to a medium

[upper kayak]

Am I alone in feeling like the jumper cable defib skin makes it super unclear whether it's fully charged or not? There's basically no audio queue and the visual queue is barely noticeable during a fight. The number of times I hold it down as long as I should and it doesn't work is starting to get annoying lol

[slow linden]

My stance on the balance of the game is lights the worst class in the game,needs something definitely but they're also the most annoying to fight and boring to play,medium is the best class in the game and is where the balance of the game should be,every class needs to be as good as medium,heavy is decent but needs some tweaking to be in a good place

[toxic plover]

I'm just saying it's excessively annoying and tedious playing heavy considering the HP difference isn't that game changing but the movement speed and HP Regen is

[slow linden]

Health regen would be a good buff for heavy,If anything I'd say that'd be good for him

[sand monolith]

every class should get a 1.5s or 2s health regen start buff

[slow linden]

Yeah i could see that

Heavy needs a minigun,I mean what's the first thing you think of when you hear 'heavy gun'

[sinful dagger]

Hmm. I always thought light was considered the fun class

But yea, it is annoying to fight

[toxic plover]

Heavy doesn't have its destruction identity 🙃 light has it

[sinful dagger]

Destruction is under utilized in general

[slow linden]

They're just kind of the annoying ambush class,only time light can kill you is if they're across the map or invisible behind you,very rarely do people actually play light for the movement and do head to head fights

[sinful dagger]

They should make destroying the map a better strategic option

[slow linden]

Falling rubble should do damage scaling by its size

[sinful dagger]

Sounds great in theory and I'm for it but it would be hard to implement

[slow linden]

Yeah,I could imagine people at the top floor randomly getting 1 tapped because someone took out the bottom floor

[sinful dagger]

Yea. Maybe they should overall make typical weapons do more arena damage. Like ks 1 shotting a wall

[slow linden]

It could also indirectly nerf charge and slam if it were to happen

[sinful dagger]

True

[toxic plover]

I just think that for the destruction options heavy has, light has a better one and it's bullshit. C4=breach charge. RPG=thermal bore. Maybe light should have something like the vent materializer that I had came up with, or be the only class that can do a single wall jump or something

[slow linden]

I agree,only weapons that shouldn't put holes in concrete are lights pistols and smgs

[sinful dagger]

Yea

[toxic plover]

I like that

[sinful dagger]

New heavy assault rifle should tear through walls, would be fun

[slow linden]

That and the lmgs heavy has

[toxic plover]

It doesn't have enough bullets. Litteraly just a Fcar with better recoil pattern. Needs either damage buff or bullet buff

[slow linden]

People would no longer be able to panic charge and slam to get away or they'd end up taking themselves out

[toxic plover]

I think gadgets should come out the instant you press the button

Would use my cube to counter CNS more often

[slow linden]

Make bullets explosive,up damage,keep recoil pattern the same

[toxic plover]

Hell yeah. I love talking about buffing heavy cause everyone always agrees except for shitter lights who only care about kills and not getting one taped

[slow linden]

I would like this but also I think c4 should have no delay or at least they should lower it because it's so hard to use it offensively

[plain wasp]

If you want that it'd also have to be true for breach charges

[slow linden]

Lights fear heavy when they should really be worried about medium,triple medium with defib and heal beam is a damn near unbeatable

[plain wasp]

There is a reason there's a delay

[slow linden]

I'd be fine with that

[slow linden]

A delay is fine but what feels like a 5 second delay isn't

1 second,Maybe 2

[toxic plover]

I mean..glitch mine and the new motion sensor for medium can hard counter a full team of lights

[slow linden]

You can fit those on with the defib too as well

[toxic plover]

And that's only one guy on the team

Add turret boom he's the anti light killer

[slow linden]

If they all run it it feels like they never die

[narrow solar]

Yea tbh idk why light needs breach charges or thermal bores it barely even helps the light

[toxic plover]

I hate being defibed as a sledge heavy main because I completely rely on my gadgets

[narrow solar]

Mines would make way more sense in the light and their the only class who doesn’t have them

[idle inlet]

The new shot gun for medium needs ether 4 shots or heavy damage because can’t kill no one with one load

[slow linden]

Buff the damage but a triple barreled shotgun with 4 shots is cursed

[toxic plover]

I say tighten the spread, don't touch anything else

[dawn swan]

We need damage buff for Cerberus

[idle inlet]

You can’t even kill a heavy with a 3 shot but AK can

[dawn swan]

But we don’t need another model

[toxic plover]

The fire tick damage is super bad, it needs to be on par with being on fire. Rn it's like two little ticks of damage

[slow linden]

Tighten the spread and up the damage by 2 a pellet is an even better idea

[toxic plover]

Didn't say that

[dawn swan]

I say, we can’t tighten it too much because I’ll be another model

[toxic plover]

An okay. Yeah I don't want it tightened that much, just 3-4 feet further effective range

[slow linden]

Model has six shots

Cerberus needs to only have 3,those 3 shots need to be rewarding to hit

[dawn swan]

Based

[plain wasp]

I say remove shotguns from the game

[toxic plover]

It's the only correct solution, otherwise they will put it up your ass and then it's just another Sh1000

[slow linden]

I feel like the flamethrower should be able to make fire stick to surfaces like napalm,and it should be like you're spraying a stream of liquid fuel instead of an airsolized fuel,so instead of uping the range it would have like 9 feet of range and then you can arc it a bit further by looking up

[toxic plover]

Wrong. But melee weapons should out DPS shotguns

[plain wasp]

Reasonable

[slow linden]

Yes

[plain wasp]

Melee weapons should win if you let them in their range

[slow linden]

The flamethrower should throw fire,not fart it

[toxic plover]

So buff flamethrower range you mean?

[white torrent]

GOO GROUP: what funny goo tech or barricade tech still works?

[toxic plover]

I don't think people realize that SH1000 is a huge fucking problem, but nobody brings it up because light sucks ass

[slow linden]

No,rework it into a beam weapon but the beam is a stream of flaming fuel affected by gravity

It would indirectly buff its range tho

[toxic plover]

Also heads up, do not lockbolt a barricade. Doesn't do anything

[toxic plover]

I like this

Should it make you burn longer?

[slow linden]

I'd say burn less time but the tick damage is stronger

[idle inlet]

Yeah the new shotty should be buff tbh

At this point the new shotty is a support gun

[slow linden]

They need the fire tick on that thing to hit like a traintbh

Stacking tick damage for each pellet that hits

[toxic plover]

If it's too strong people are gonna bitch it won't catch goo on fire

[slow linden]

The fire should be where most of its damage comes from and not the impact

[toxic plover]

Would make it a great support weapon at range

[slow linden]

Not if the tick damage scales based on how many pellets hit

Not a lot of pellets would hit

Medium range actually maybe

[toxic plover]

What if each pellet resets the damage tick time but adds to the damage

[slow linden]

That'd be interesting

Rewarding sustained hits so people can't just run away

[toxic plover]

Would be a really good way to apply pressure at range. Funny story, I was on bernal last night and I had put a vault in a cashout on a suspended structure and took the other zipline to the very next vault, by the time it was open I turned to take the zipline back and I look and it's broken, I look up and there's a medium with the Cerberus looking down at me. He fired 3 shots and fucked off. I only took like 15 damage

@slow linden

[slow linden]

Tragic

I think they should add goo mines that put you in a goo cube

[toxic plover]

It was pretty funny. Almost as funny as when I was about to steal a cashout, a light runs up and attempted to steal, 180 stuns me, then attempt to steal like I wouldn't sledge his head in for costing us a qualifications lmfao

[toxic plover]

Will it goo the floor under you too?

[slow linden]

Maybe?

[toxic plover]

So a medium can't just demat out of it. Or just add a bear trap gadget to heavy

[slow linden]

Every class that can use fire should also have goo for combo potential

[toxic plover]

I want a midevil themed season goddamnit

[slow linden]

Gas clouds should do more damage when you detonate them

Imagine direct impacting a light with a Pyro grenade when they're in the middle of a gas cloud

And the gas cloud detonating did actual damage instead of like 10 or something

[storm tulip]

You just want a sword, and dammit I do too

[slow linden]

It might even do no damage i just remember them doing barely any

[white torrent]

Can someone give me a list of all of the weird goo/jump pad/barricade movement tech that still works pls?

[odd verge]

Cerberus just needs a damage amplification debuff when shot that stacks

each shot makes you takle 2% more dmg from everything upto 6%

[toxic plover]

😂😂😂you've been hiding until I mentioned it huh

[storm tulip]

One time I was playing heavy and my barricade fell while I was on it onto a jump pad and was thundercunted into the atmosphere

[toxic plover]

Throw goo then angle jump pad to sling forward

[storm tulip]

But that was probably just the game going insane

[odd verge]

means less fucking around with dmg/mag size/spread etc

[white torrent]

Well I know that

I mean stuff like cheese wheel/goo plane/goo jump

[storm tulip]

Yeah, I was just waiting to see how long it'd be before you brought something like that up

[slow linden]

I Want a throwing mallet or a javelin

[storm tulip]

I want the smithscript hammer from Elden Ring

[slow linden]

Yes

[storm tulip]

I wanna throw a person sized hammer at mach fuck

I wanna throw a person at mach fuck, use the person as a hammer

Hold up, lemme cook

New idea, heavy can throw other teammates (Except for other heavies), and if they hit somebody by throwing their teammate it will do 20 damage if light is throw and 25 if medium is throwm

[toxic plover]

NO OT RUINS THE UTILITY OF MY GREAT SWORD CONCEPT 👹👹👹👿👿!!!!

Grr

[storm tulip]

RAH I WANNA HAVE A THrOWABLE FUCKING HAMMER

[slow linden]

I want the bomb Lance from hunt showdown

[storm tulip]

That'd be dope

[pine grail]

Got to hunt it’s a better game anyway

[slow linden]

Heavy being able to throw lights or even pick them up and carry them around would make for good combo potential,would also make for good support plays like a light gets low and the heavy carries them or throws them towards cover or towards the heal beam medium

[slow linden]

It is but they're both two good games,the only good shooters out right now anyway

[pine grail]

Finals balance garbage and hunt better

[slow linden]

Cod is ass,halo is dead,fortnite was never good and titan fall is probably never getting a new game

[slow linden]

Hunt is easier to Balance because it's a realistic game

Finals is arcady 1 taps are earned and very rare

[odd forum]

is XP ever gonna get buffed rather than extra ammo.

[slow linden]

The smg? Hell no none of those smgs need buffs both can 1 mag a heavy

[sinful dagger]

That could be

[fast otter]

Hell yea brother

[toxic plover]

They killed halo and I have no idea how they can blunder it that bad

[fast otter]

Pick up a light teammate by their damn ankles and yeet them through the earth

[storm tulip]

I miss my sweet green guy

[fast otter]

RIP Gears of War

[slow linden]

Real

[toxic plover]

Gears was pretty cool

[boreal laurel]

M11 OP

Can I get a second?

[crystal garnet]

Anyone else feel like their AR aim is worse after the recoil pattern change?

[toxic plover]

Nah it made M60 from trash to goated. I've never aimed so well

[restive plover]

It really is not.

[toxic plover]

I say almost no gun should be able to full mag a heavy

[rocky rose]

does the 93r scope bounce around everywhere like the v9s did? or is it actually stable?

[toxic plover]

Visual recoil may be gone, but certain guns like the pike scope still bounce and suck ass

[rocky rose]

its not gone but reduced by alot

is the 93r bouncy like the pike?

might as well just try it

[toxic plover]

Revolver with scope feels pretty good. Pike is aids

[rocky rose]

93r with scope is insane

light famas

[toxic plover]

Is that the light gun

[rocky rose]

yes

[slow linden]

Heavy needs the helicopter killer

[toxic plover]

Don't listen to me then. I'm certified light hater and don't play light

[slow linden]

Anyone else know what that is

[rocky rose]

aight

[toxic plover]

Idk about that gun either

[slow linden]

It's a shoulder mounted barret M82

[toxic plover]

Send pic

[slow linden]

I did

[strange loom]

M60 might be my favorite gun in the game right now, super easy to control recoil makes lasering people a routine task and the hip fire is good enough for close quarters. 70 rounds is usually enough to take care of several people without a reload. M60 my beloved

[toxic plover]

I mean it looks pretty fucking cool. What stats do you recommend

[toxic plover]

Litteraly no reason to use the Shaq in my opinion because M60 is better in every eay

[slow linden]

80 damage,slower firerate,iron sights,explosive bullets

8 to 10 round mag

[rocky rose]

lewis is better m60

[strange loom]

Yea I’ve tried the Shaq and the kill time feels pretty good with hitting headshots but you gotta reload way too often in my opinion and it loses effectiveness at range quite a lot

[strange loom]

Too much side to side recoil for my tastes

[rocky rose]

thats fair

[faint steppe]

Shaq feels pretty much perfect. Maybe a bit more bullets in the mag but that might make it too powerful

[strange loom]

I like the Lewis gun but I’m really not used to the recoil. Maybe if I really tried to get used to it I’d be ok with it but the M60 is just so easier and I like the bigger belt with a slower reload over the smaller drum with a faster reload because you can spray transfer and wipe a whole squad with no reloads on the M60 where as you might need to reload the Lewis before you get a squad wipe

[rocky rose]

u dont really need all 70 shots cuz it reloads fast enough to reload after each kill or so

47 is fine for me and the damage and firerate is much higher. with the new red dot i wouldnt use m60 at all rn

[strange loom]

Sometimes all 70 is necessary when there’s two teams on the cashbox and you can prefire corners all day and keep the pressure on

[toxic plover]

Same

[strange loom]

You can kill a turret and still have 50 rounds to then shoot at the rest of the team, stuff like that. I think the M60 and the Lewis are both real good it’s the same sort of argument over the Scar and AK

[toxic plover]

I go for body shots and can't kill shit with a full mag. It needs something

[toxic plover]

I like it A LOT.

[strange loom]

Shaq needs headies and then it melts. I often can’t even kill a medium with a full mag if I’m going for bodies

[toxic plover]

Sad. Major L. Bad weapon

[strange loom]

I think it’s good as a close quarters weapon especially with the solid hipfire spread it pairs good with winch claw. I definitely prefer to use the M60 any day tho

[faint steppe]

Skill issue because it's definitely meta besides the SA

[toxic plover]

Lie? M60 is definitely meta over Shaq. All I see is M60

[ripe kettle]

honestly, the lockbolt feels kinda weak.

[strange loom]

I think it’s good but I’m bad with it lol

[sand monolith]

Neither the shak nor the m60 are meta

[faint steppe]

Meta in Wood 4 maybe. Plat and up is SA, Shaq and sometimes Lewis

[toxic plover]

We non lights agree in the sector of the finals reddit

[strange loom]

That esports event was pretty much all SA

[sand monolith]

The shak has downsides in some of the worst areas for heavy. The reload and the ammo count are abysmally bad which really hurts the flow of gameplay for heavy. It should either be stronger during its uptime or have more uptime with a reload buff

[toxic plover]

So you are saying I have a skill issue because I can't match the performance of a plat player?

[sand monolith]

Also, the shak loses hard to shields

[faint steppe]

I mean yeah, that's the definition of a skill issue

[sand monolith]

M60 is just mid

[strange loom]

I never see Shaq or SA down in paper towel 3 through. Lots of hammers and flamethrowers lol

[shut bane]

Having to reload after every kill is a bit detrimental lol

Though It’s the reload speed that fucks me most of the time

I just don’t see why I’d ever rock it over dual 50’s imo other than for fun maybe, but I mean like cmon, they’re dual deagles

[sand monolith]

Yeah a reload speed buff would be nice. Having downtime between kills is okay but it’s a bit much

[strange loom]

Dual 50’s can obliterate basically anything if you’re hitting the headhshots I think it’s a little slept on

[sand monolith]

50s are bad because mesh is bad

[strange loom]

50’s and winch claw is good

[sand monolith]

The moment mesh becomes usable we will see deagles in meta

[faint steppe]

They are simply too inconsistent. But feel definitely better than last season and also provide heavy with decent range

[shut bane]

Ks would be better for mesh juggling no? Less need to aim at closer ranges but nvm deagles just fuck on them at all ranges lol

[faint steppe]

It's basically like the revolver

[strange loom]

I’ll give you that they can be inconsistent

[toxic plover]

If you say so man

[sand monolith]

50s wouldn’t be good because of mesh juggling they’re good because you can force downtime on your enemies and reset when missing. You just gain much more control over the fight which is incredible for burst damage and especially ranged burst damage

[strange loom]

357 is accurate tho especially now that the reticle doesn’t move it’s a baby DMR

[rocky rose]

ars are still better

[strange loom]

More consistent maybe I don’t know about better. 357 kill time is insane

[shut bane]

Yeah idk if mesh juggling would be brought back tbh, at least not as effective as before

[faint steppe]

It's not what I'm saying. You can literally look up high elo players right now and see what's meta and what isn't. If you aren't playing well with the meta gear it's on you

[rocky rose]

consistency is key. winning 1 of 5 one on ones wont win you a game

[sand monolith]

Mesh should just have 1250 again and it’s fine

[faint steppe]

It's much better but the in air accuracy and movement accuracy still feel inconsistent. Also a bit lacking in range but similar to the Deagles it's a very rewarding gun

[shut bane]

I just want a chunky weighted barrel revolver skin

Maybe for the inevitable eclipse design 🙏

[toxic plover]

So it's a gun that's only good if you have immaculate aim? We just got the deagles last season

[strange loom]

Well that more so depends on the player. The 357’s skill ceiling is way higher than something like the AK if you’re somebody who can really click head it’s gonna beat almost anything in a vacuum. I’ve seen some crazy guys on YouTube run through lobbies with the thing

[faint steppe]

Nah, decent aim is enough. More than enough aim trainers out there to help you. Even the practice range might help you improve.

[toxic plover]

Okay let me ask anyone else if I'm fucking crazy here about the Shaq

I'm not too worried though because I main sledgehammer

[hardy dust]

Shak seems pretty good.

Its in a bit of a weird spot between sa12 and the lmgs but does pretty well.

[strange loom]

It’s good but it’s not my cup of tea. Definitely a close range/close mid range kind of weapon because the two bullets spread out too much when the target is far away. Good hipfire, not enough bullets but a fast reload to sort of balance it.

[toxic plover]

I would be so so happy if it just had 5+ more bullets

[strange loom]

I think because the kill time is blatantly better it will be used more at higher levels but I prefer the robustness of the M60 even if I lose fights sometimes due to a slower kill time

[hardy dust]

I find it pretty good overall, but you need to have decent aim and ammo management.

I find the faster kill time more than makes up for the lower ammo count, but sometimes I like running lewis for better range and ammo capacity

[hardy dust]

That would probably make it a bit too good.

[toxic plover]

Okay. So 3-4 would be fine?

[strange loom]

Yea high level players are already shredding with it 5 more shots could be problematic

[hardy dust]

I think its fine right now.

[toxic plover]

Okay

[strange loom]

If you don’t miss/stop firing when changing targets you can get away with the smaller mag size. The gun is pretty new I think it needs the time to be played with before we can say if it really needs a rework

Like I said before it’s really good with winch claw you can pull somebody in and hipfire them before they can really do much

You could make an argument for charge and slam too because you can take a lot of space with it

[toxic plover]

I'll have to try it with winchclaw then, because I agree the hipfire is super awsome

I guess I have the unpopular opinion that I don't think weapons should be balanced around how the top players play, but whatever

[strange loom]

It’s a hard thing in game balance. Especially when you’ve got something that overperforms at high level and underperforms at low level. Buffing it would ruin the game for top players and needing it would push it into the steepest corner of obscurity for low level players (not to say the shak is underperforming this is more a comment of game balance as a whole)

[hardy dust]

Thats why light is such a big balance issue.

[strange loom]

When I’m getting at is it’s never a good idea to ruin something for an entire group of people when balancing something you want at least somewhat of a happy median, really what it comes down to for a weapon in the finals when there’s a really strong gun at the high level that doesn’t feel good at the low level for the player is to learn the gun and get a lot of hours on it

[crystal pivot]

they always try to balance the M and H so the Light is more balalnced

playing Light is a difficult thing to do but when done right is dangerous

[strange loom]

Yea light has some really disruptive tools

Especially stun gun for stopping cashout steals

[sand monolith]

it seems like embark has actually caught on to why light is good at high elo and bad in low elo

[crystal pivot]

sonar is huge too

[strange loom]

Does glitch grenade still stop cashout steal?

[sand monolith]

hopefully they keep their new balancing direction for light

[crystal pivot]

is light good at the higher ranks?

all the lights i have encountered where horrible

[sand monolith]

oh i said it in the wrong order

[crystal pivot]

I was about to say

[sand monolith]

bad in high elo good in low elo

[crystal pivot]

the double barrel shot gun is probally the best thing to use

[strange loom]

Yea I can’t hit the broad side of a barn door so a light dashing back and forth turns my brain into soup but if I could hit shots they would be very unproblematic lol

[toxic plover]

It's also bullshit

[crystal pivot]

in a good or bad way

[toxic plover]

Lockbolt helps a little bit, winch helps alot

[hardy dust]

Its alright

[toxic plover]

Bad. Shouldn't be able to two tap a heavy

[hardy dust]

Its fine being able to two tap a heavy, otherwise it would be pretty bad considering it only has 2 rounds.

You need to be point blank anyways.

[crystal pivot]

I have to 4 tap where are you aiming

[strange loom]

It’s a situational weapon like the Cerberus with the range it has yea

[toxic plover]

I'm just pissy that 350 health doesn't mean jack shit

[toxic plover]

You plug it up their ass while invisible

[hardy dust]

It means quite a lot...

[crystal pivot]

i feel like the team fortress scout when using double barrel

[strange loom]

lol

[toxic plover]

Against dot damage and maybe rifles. But I have a skill issue (apparently) because I haven't gotten good enough to fight mediums that only beam headshots

[strange loom]

You can kill mediums and lights pretty easy when you use all the tools the heavy has and crouching up and down

[toxic plover]

So happy that I have slightly better odds winning my first engagement but am totally fucked becausey health takes forever to Regen, I can't run away, and I have no ability tools to escape

[crystal pivot]

i remember when healing tool healed you like a mf

[toxic plover]

I just want mobility bro, because light already does more damage, speed, and destruction and mobility than me

The fortifications are a joke

[strange loom]

Barricade is a really good tool for the heavy man you put that sucker down and peek back and forth, you can open up with RPG or nades you can winch claw people in when the time is right or charge and slam through people

Heavy is a really strong class and of course you’re gonna lose to a whole team by yourself that’s what the support from the rest of the team is for

Medium jump pads and zip lines and light gateways get you in and out

[hardy dust]

Barricade is pretty good but heavy just has really good gadget options.

[strange loom]

The finals is a team game classes are balanced by support from each other if every class had all the tools they needed it would just be call of duty where everyone’s the same yaknow

[toxic plover]

Hey I came up with how to balance Shaq. Just modify the headshot multiplier a tad down and increase the damage a bit. Rounds out to still the high TTK it has with headshots, and still usable in lower ELO

[topaz orchid]

Dual blades justice!

@cinder jetty yes

Buffed. Better lunges, deflect angle, and damage mitigation.

BofA @worn smelt

[runic thunder]

i find the exact opposite to be true in practice, any light in my WT games gets deleted off the screen instantly but in QC they always give me an issue

[terse gorge]

Justice! For Gotham!

[full glen]

You have to hit all pallets so it’s gotta be like right in there face

[smoky escarp]

How's the shaq oneil boys?

[soft juniper]

Is this a good medium support build?

any recommendation for gadget swaps if I need too?

I so far have these
Frag when we need the damage (Willing to make it Gas for more area canceling)
Data for when they have alot of non Goo Structurs

[swift cradle]

I think it's largely dependent on the team comp and map.

Like for 3v3 cashout, imo you could run it with less issues. But it's not as necessary as for ranked cashout, since keeping the team alive can be important for preventing team wipes.

But in 3v3 cashout there's no wipe penalty other than time. So for mmm for example, there's some room to fit another gadget for mid on one or 2 of the other teams depending on the situation.

mmm was the obvious target for the nerf. But also the nerfs effects every class. Because for example, lights can't immediately cloak after respawns since they are on cooldowns.

So a bad defib is much more punishing for all classes. Since no class can't abuse escape options as much.

This means taking the time to reoposition or to protect them after a successful rez.

But... in the time it takes to reposition for a defib, a normal rez could be better, since they are full health and aren't on cooldowns.

[sinful patio]

Just noticed something about the new c4 skin, there’s no indicator on it to show if your c4 is active or not, kinda makes it pay to lose

[soft juniper]

I still see most mediums defib in the open and leave or defib someone whos being revived just because they can

[gloomy bobcat]

zip or jump pad?

[soft juniper]

Goo Grenade

[gloomy bobcat]

but yeah thats kinda my main gadget
cant go without it ever

[soft juniper]

I have been recently running no Zip or jumppad and using Goo for movement

[gloomy bobcat]

interesting

what was your experience?

[soft juniper]

I did Goo movement alot on light in season 1 but in all honestly choosing between zip and jumppad is a preferance msot of the time

Do you prefer quick instant upward movement or being able to get where your going to go no matter what

[gloomy bobcat]

most of the time I just wanna go where I wanna go quick and fast, and for that ive been using the jump pad because it just made sense... but I wanted something new and forgot ziplines existed

I also use jump pad as sorta a door block sorta

whenever someone goes inside the room and just get launched by the pad

[soft juniper]

lol

[plucky spade]

Stop playing like you're in call of duty

[plucky spade]

Your last point is moot because in order to get a normal rez through you still have to go through the whole run to a safe place process