💣┇weapons-gadgets

[plain wasp]

I don't even own shotguns because I play honorably

[fleet brook]

I'm sure you're not raging because you're a light main who chooses to play the lowest HP class and you're mad that a burst weapon burst

[coral coral]

it has 2 bullets btw

[plain wasp]

I only own turret because it was forced upon me

[fleet brook]

It's a meh thing only a really good light deterrent and only against mid to bad lights

Or if you have a squad it becomes better

[coral coral]

nerf sledge bc it can 1 shot lights

[plain wasp]

It's just annoying to deal with

Ie dishonorable

[fleet brook]

Yeah that's the best way to describe turret when only one has it mildly annoying

[coral coral]

turret is good in terminal

[fleet brook]

I'd rather take dealing with turret over heal beam

Demat is just kinda there and is only good if you're good

[coral coral]

sledgehammer is just an infinite demat

[fleet brook]

And KS 23 is a worse version of demat

[coral coral]

it does environmental dmg?

[plain wasp]

Stun is also dishonorable

[coral coral]

stun is good to stop cashouts and revives

[plain wasp]

I feel like my weapon is just about as good

[coral coral]

tru

[plain wasp]

Especially with frags/smoke+thermal/pyro/gas

Most other gadgets really can do about the same

[drowsy pasture]

Demat is already infinite

[coral coral]

its on a cooldown tho

[drowsy pasture]

Still infinite

[coral coral]

my freak is infinite

[plain wasp]

Technically every gadget is infinite as well as every weapon

[drowsy pasture]

Yeah

[plain wasp]

I mean my qm is infinite demat if you try hard enough

[coral coral]

really?

[plain wasp]

All weapons do structural damage its just explosions do way more

[drowsy pasture]

Bow?

[plain wasp]

3 frags and some bullets breaks things

Yeah any damage also affects structures

It's just way slower than explosives

[drowsy pasture]

Didn't know bow did structure damage

[spice vigil]

everything does it just takes FOREVER

[coral root]

It would be really cool if we could convert 5000 VRs into 250 multibucks

[languid crag]

a lemat revolver skin would be cool

[spice vigil]

too much but vrs should be used for something

[coral root]

50 then. We should be able to get something out of them at high levels

[granite mountain]

im sure eventually vr will get another use

[remote otter]

We should get like a health grenade in the finals, maybe like the dome shield but instead its a healing zone.

[languid crag]

like the stim grenade from mw2019?

[astral cedar]

Easy idea for embark to buff medium melee: increase the swing speed. Impossible to fuck up you just dial it up like 25% and see how it feels

[desert falcon]

Maybe like a healing grenade launcher, similar to Baptiste in ow

[hexed flame]

purchase scooby snacks for nama tama, maybe. 👀

[spice vigil]

nama when it doesnt get scooby snacks:

[hexed flame]

it would be funny if we got like a tamagotchi for nama tama

and we feed it VRs daily to get small rewards like EXP, charms, stickers, etc..

tiny tama friend

[languid crag]

heavys shotgun needs a nerf

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades need more then a swing speed buff what they mainly need is its damage not to drop off at the end

Its damage should be 50x2 60x2 70x2 not its current 50x2 60x2 70

[vocal island]

Just increase VRs to make them endless and give items a huge amount of VRs cost. So you can grind specific items

[restive plover]

yeah lets not do that 💀

[cosmic scarab]

.

[rough carbon]

Dual blades needs a movement buff like a dash on a cooldown or a left 4 dead hunter mini leap

[restive plover]

Charge n slam but medium.

[fleet brook]

I'd probably do a spider leap situation

Charge up with the swords out (obvious charge up) and then leaping

[violet tree]

Anybody have a link for ttk for weapons?

[polar trout]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[uncut fox]

the sword has no charge attack on there

[plain wasp]

Because it's impossible to give one ttk when the charge rate and other factors are there

[gaunt lion]

So, inflation? 😭

[polar trout]

140 per hit

Ez

[gaunt lion]

I think every class should have 5 specialtys, instead of light and medium having 3
And heavy having 4
Or a structure where you can trade weapons, so you don't have to die every time
Grenade pistol for light 🤑, heavy and medium both have grenade launchers
Drone gadget for light
Controller for the turret
Legalize nuclear bombs🔥🔥🔥
Get heavy on a diet😭😭😭
Cloak canister
Charge n slam animation where heavy rolls😭😭😭
Time grenade: reverses cash out, heals, repairs structures, disable weapons, 10 sec duration

[peak robin]

Model demat grenade defib mine meta

[violet tree]

ty

[fleet brook]

If any class got a drone support gadget it should be the gadgetry/ support class

[uncut fox]

yeah ik i was giving feedback lol

[polar trout]

140 per hit

[uncut fox]

I know i was giving feedback on the doc sent

[polar trout]

140 per hit

[uncut fox]

screw you

[restive plover]

Whats the best loadout to run with the pike?

[hallow leaf]

Charge n slam, stun gun, rpg, and defib

[astral cedar]

Maybe riot shield and dual blades could get a charge attack if you hold M1

[potent briar]

Im going to find the dev that decided to make goo holding possible and feed him his own testicles

[hallow leaf]

Goo holding?

I would also like to know

And the last thing goo needs is more nerfs

[narrow solar]

i feel like the ak just melts lights

like even with m11 ttk in a 1v1 the ak is always gonna win if you dont reposition or you shoot first

[tired minnow]

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I feel like the throwing knives are too good

[languid crag]

no i think the same

throwing knives are too op and need a damage nerf

[tired minnow]

Alright, good to know I'm not alone in the opinion that being able to kill someone in 4 shots is overpowered

[restive plover]

They're just alright. The unlimited capacity can be annoying sometimes but that's about it.

[oblique void]

Would it be good if the R.357 for medium got a buff? I like using it but it feels weak for a revolver and next season, if medium got an AR with a high rate of fire e.g the AEK 971 or an M4A1 carbine that would be nice. Also a P90 for the light would be good

[cyan bobcat]

I feel like an m4 would just be an FCAR or AKM clone

[royal pier]

Giving the spear a headshot (headstab?) multiplier could be an interesting way to increase the skill ceiling.

So, instead of the weapon requiring you to quick melee to get efficient kills on Light and Medium (which negates the purpose of a spear), it could have 2 headstabs to kill Light, 3 for Medium, and 4 for Heavy. Although for Heavy, it'll probably always be more effective to use the spin after two headstabs.

It would make it feel more like it belongs in a FPS, if that makes sense.

[languid crag]

spear does not need a buff

[royal pier]

The Revolver will probably feel better if/when the 1887 gets adjusted.

[languid crag]

i think medium needs an smg

[cyan bobcat]

I think revolver needs an sight with more zoom like an AGOG or a short scope

[royal pier]

Removing visual recoil will make a lot of weapons feel way better.

[languid crag]

huntign revolver from fallout new vegas?

[cyan bobcat]

Either Thompson smg or P90

[royal pier]

Even with a crosshair overlay, the shake still fucks with visibility.

[languid crag]

what about the mp7

[royal pier]

Can we be done with generic pew pew guns? Please? There always ends up being one that's just better than the others.

[cunning kettle]

if the finals takes place in the future why dont they have guns from their time

[royal pier]

The ARs already have the issue with the FAMAS being just a bit better than the others because of its hipfire.

[cyan bobcat]

Mp7 is just lower rpm version of the M11

[royal pier]

The M11 makes the otherwise good MP5 go hardly used because it's just...better.

[languid crag]

what about the pp bison

[royal pier]

I don't see how you make a MP7/P90/any SMG mechanically different from the other ARs/SMGs.

[languid crag]

what about a vityaz for medium

[royal pier]

I think if the FAMAS had slightly worse hipfire, and the FCAR had slightly better hipfire, we'd be in a good spot in terms of AR balance.

Adding in another pew pew gun just throws a wrench into it.

[cyan bobcat]

Technically could work. Large magazine and semi-high rpm. The dmg would become an issue though which is likely the main reason why medium only has rifles and shotguns

[royal pier]

That'd still just be another pew pew hitscan that they'd give the same DPS as the other options.

[languid crag]

what about a mossberg 500 or 590

i kinda forgot the names sorry if i get it wrong

[royal pier]

If this was Battlefield, I wouldn't mind a ton of basically identical weapons, but in this game they have the option to get wacky with it.

[languid crag]

or a serbu super shorty for medium

[royal pier]

Bring in a frag rounds shotgun from BF3 lol.

Use the Jackhammer.

[cyan bobcat]

In my opinion, any new weapons for medium either needs to be melee or something fictional like a railgun rifle or an energy based weapon

[languid crag]

laser pistol

[royal pier]

Since it's a simulation, they could do something as wild as, say, magic.

Medium gets to throw fireballs. Heavy does force lightning. Light...dies.

[cyan bobcat]

More like a plasma pistol. Lasers arent actually powerful in a short burst. If wed get a laser gun it should be something like the prototype laser rifle from Akira.

[dreamy hedge]

We should give the heavy throwable spears

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8rBQ9 what about this

it could be a 12mm pistol for medium

[dreamy hedge]

I feel like some sort of plasma/laser weapon would be an amazing addon to the game

[cyan bobcat]

Ever heard of crossbows? A repeating crossbow like in Helsing would be awesome.

[dreamy hedge]

That sounds Dope

[cyan bobcat]

This is cursed af i dont know in any way how this would work even with sci fi tech

But cool concept though

[cunning kettle]

instead of having magic heavy should just grab a chunk of floor and call it "earth magic"

[languid crag]

what about a disposable pistol as a skill https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Ge94DB

like the one from cyberpunk 2077

or a flare gun to light enemys on fire

or maybe the disposable pistol could be agadget

[cyan bobcat]

High af dmg, range and acc is ass but will get you a kill if you can stab someone with it, and shoot them

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qAzmRR possible revolver skin

[dreamy hedge]

Still waiting on the ospuze consumable

[languid crag]

ospuze consumable that heals 50 health or 70 would be cool

[cyan bobcat]

Gadget for heavy (light auto heals too quick for this to get any use)

[languid crag]

what about medium

[cyan bobcat]

They already have heal gun

[languid crag]

yeah but thats for teammates not you

[cyan bobcat]

Also medium auto heals pretty quickly compared to heavy

[royal pier]

Being able to somehow deal damage with the environment could be interesting.

[cyan bobcat]

Barrels exist

But sounds cool

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/z4QVQ what about this for heavy

heavy laser rifle

[royal pier]

I'm talking ripping a chunk of the wall off and chucking it at someone.

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mDDW98

attachment for famas

[royal pier]

If nothing is available, just create rubble from the floor or something.

[cyan bobcat]

I think the same kinda look but making a plasma gun because lasers are usually long range and we dont want 350hp snipers. Plasma is at best medium range because gas needs to be at least 1200°C to turn into plasma and it will cool in super quick once exposed to air, making it just hot air.

[cyan bobcat]

Ssorry forgot to ping ^^

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/she-hulk-throw-rock-hulk-throw-rock-space-she-hulk-throw-rock-gif-26406418

[royal pier]

"I CAST ROCK!"

[cyan bobcat]

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!

ROCK. AND. STONE!!!!

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Om8oEk

[royal pier]

Ok ok ok. So, regular left click is just tossing small rocks. Right click lets you pick up props and rubble and throw them for a set amount of damage.

[languid crag]

this would make a good revolver skin https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kQqeR6

[cyan bobcat]

Same gun

Used in ww1

[languid crag]

similar to the tokarev

[cyan bobcat]

Kinda cursed but it would fit a post apocalyptic themed season

[royal pier]

Now I'm just stuck on the idea of throwing rocks and random debris at people.

Like, imagine you Charge through a building, then use part of a wall to smash someone.

[storm tulip]

That’d be dope

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/JlJN0R what about a single shot grenade launcher as a gadget for medium

[storm tulip]

It’d have to have a good amount of damage compared to the normal launcher

Otherwise it just wouldn’t get used

[languid crag]

yeha maybe if you have the cl40 equipped you cant use it

[storm tulip]

It’d be useful for the light maybe

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zAeze4

revolver skin?

[storm tulip]

That’d be a cool one

[cyan bobcat]

Its actually this thing. Its a ww1 german flare pistol.

[languid crag]

a flare pistol would be cool for medium

[storm tulip]

Yeah

[cyan bobcat]

Nah, light. Would work like the Team Fortress 2 Pyros flare guns

[storm tulip]

Like a flash bang with a minor burn affect, like the after affects of the heavy flame thrower

[cyan bobcat]

Good idea ngl

[storm tulip]

Hol up hear me out, dragons breath shotgun, 4 shots equal physical and flame damage

[languid crag]

for heavy?

[storm tulip]

Yeah

Actually no for medium that’d work well, as the other two classes already have 2 shotguns

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/KOAKlW this would work better for heavy

but more simple

[storm tulip]

Maybe

[languid crag]

where the barrels would flip down and you load in 4 shotgun shells

or metal balls

[storm tulip]

Ooh hear me out Medium for a Balistiv Knife, like from BO2 can use for melee or use as a projectile

[cyan bobcat]

Benelli M4 (same as the xm1014 from CS)

[storm tulip]

Yeah exactly that

No ads as a result of the dragons breath but it has higher damage and lower range

[cyan bobcat]

Loaded with dragons breath. A Certified John Wick moment

[storm tulip]

Yup

[languid crag]

9mm auto revolver for medium with a reload speed of 1 and dealing ? damage i cant think of good stats for damage https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GDBw4

[cyan bobcat]

Pls stop sending cursed guns

[storm tulip]

In between revolver and light pistol

[languid crag]

no

[storm tulip]

Based

[languid crag]

im gonna send all the cursed guns i want

[storm tulip]

Based, send the cursed guns battle brother

[cyan bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-mewing-sigma-mew-mewing-chad-gif-17710863300302979354

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Om1KP6

[restive plover]

What about that mag fed revolver with triangular rounds?

[storm tulip]

Eww

[languid crag]

the tround

[cyan bobcat]

lmao btw there is actually a real functional mag fed revolver

[storm tulip]

Yes I know and I hate it

[restive plover]

Really?

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w04r0L would go hard as a revolver skin with optional sight skin

[cyan bobcat]

i pray for the Lord in heaven to smite this abomination's designer

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/BXag29

[cyan bobcat]

i know this is a blackpowder revolver and that theres already a wild west revolver skin but i think this would be sick af

[storm tulip]

That’s surprisingly well thought out

[languid crag]

a break action revolver skin would be nice

[storm tulip]

Agreed

Like the BO4 zombies revolver

[cyan bobcat]

the issue with break action revolvers is that the pin that opens it wears down quick as almost all the kick is concentrated on it.

[storm tulip]

Yeah

[languid crag]

its just a weapon skin tho

[storm tulip]

Hey Sarge, do you play PS?

[cyan bobcat]

i know and i do love break action revolvers (like this one) and also note that The Finals is a virtual and not even intended to be a realistic universe

[cyan bobcat]

pc

[storm tulip]

Damn

I need a new partner

[languid crag]

i also play pc

[storm tulip]

Damn

[cyan bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[patent comet]

Hahaaaa I have done it

[storm tulip]

Lmao

[languid crag]

my embark id is in my bio

[cyan bobcat]

whats that

[storm tulip]

Does anyone play PS

[patent comet]

Thruster gadget
push thing around

[storm tulip]

Actually wait I can still add you sarge

[cyan bobcat]

put it on cashout and yeet it across the map

[patent comet]

yes exactly

[patent comet]

and maybe revive the goo-ship

[languid crag]

some idiot light sniper on my team being the last one lkeft dived on the platform and died

[patent comet]

was it because of a thruster?

[languid crag]

what

[languid crag]

my cat was under my bed for some reason

[cyan bobcat]

show car

[cyan bobcat]

car review 3/5
car is clearly an alcoholic

[languid crag]

thats gingerbeer

[languid crag]

thats gingerbeer

[cyan bobcat]

WRONG

hydrochloric acid

https://tenor.com/view/science-gummy-bear-chemistry-gif-25887166

[patent comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825898827022073876/1120931959594549278/snapchat.gif

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[patent comet]

[languid crag]

wisp risk of rain

[cyan bobcat]

dont worry i got ya

[patent comet]

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/headcrab-gif-23956203

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/adnbz this would make a nice revolver skin

its similar to the shotgun skin

[cyan bobcat]

would make a good xp54 skin

[oblique void]

Maybe, I hope so but if it took three shots to the body to kill a medium instead of 4 that would make a big difference to me and give me more reason to use it

[cyan bobcat]

sorry i thought you meant model

[cyan bobcat]

revolver needs a better sight

[royal pier]

It's balanced around hitting headshots. Removing the visual recoil will make that easier.

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/anqgX this would be an amazing model skin

[cyan bobcat]

not this bs again

[cunning kettle]

alofs mag would be a great model skin

[patent comet]

I want an axe for Heavy Sledge
(Coach TF2 unrelated)

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rR5dlE this would be a cool v9s skin

[cyan bobcat]

coach is NOT from tf2

[patent comet]

He is I promise

[cyan bobcat]

hes from L4D2

[languid crag]

coach tf2

https://tenor.com/view/coach-l4d2-left4dead2-coach-l4d2-gangnam-style-gif-25086541

[patent comet]

Coach from tf2 skin for The Finals

[languid crag]

hammer needs a nerf

https://tenor.com/view/coach-l4d2-cloth-physics-cloth-simulation-cooch-gif-27514848

[patent comet]

Buff Heavy-Swing by 10 damage so I can 2-tap mediums

[cyan bobcat]

blobfish when they are yanked from the bottom of marihuana trench:

[patent comet]

[oblique void]

Hitting head shots isn't easy though mid fight I just wish it packed more of a punch

[oblique void]

I use iron sights 💪

[cyan bobcat]

i use diamond sights im way better than you you noob!

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/E800K

[oblique void]

Iron sights I meant ruby sights damn autocorrect 😑

[cyan bobcat]

hah! minecraft doesnt have rubies!

[languid crag]

i use netherite sights

[patent comet]

Put sights on sledge hammer

[cyan bobcat]

🫡

[oblique void]

Whoops that's my congenital red-green colour blindness going off 😬 I meant emeralds damn these eyes of mine...craft

[cyan bobcat]

unc gotta get eye surgery

[patent comet]

You can tell by taste

[oblique void]

Get those congenitals in the chat

[cyan bobcat]

inspects your congenitals

[patent comet]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[cyan bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xJQZDX this would be a nice model skin

[cyan bobcat]

gn yall

[covert parcel]

within a quarter of a second

it got nerfed tho so its ok

[patent comet]

Would've been alive if you had this gadget

[covert parcel]

wtf is that lol

wait

[patent comet]

Is thruster
Push beeg objects, make beeg objects do damage when colliding with enemies

[covert parcel]

flying machine

[languid crag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lDVXB5 this would make a nice skin for the model

[fervent marten]

I feel like the heavy should have some sort of instant damage gadget

like an extreamly accurate gun with one shot probably reloads about 25 - 30% faster than the RPG

smth like the 50 BMG pistol

and it would make sense for the heavy to have smth like that

[languid crag]

a 1 shot 50 bmg revolver?

[fleet brook]

Weren't you shot by two different people with a burst weapon?

Not to be rude but I could accomplish the same effect with snipers and tks

[covert parcel]

difference is you have to hit a HS

models main complaint is range + bodyshot burst damage, the lack of aiming w/o ads specifically

also 1/2/3 shot combo respectively

[coral root]

Day 2 of me asking for MG-3 for heavy

[royal pier]

So, I used to say that it was good to slide into the spear's spin, but actually jumping is absoloutly better. More distance, and it slows you less. In fact, you should probably jump towards your target with every spear stab. It ignores the slow down that happens when on the ground.

[fresh estuary]

nuh uh

[ripe timber]

what’s yall favorite medium loadout

[fresh estuary]

give heavy fist

[azure stump]

My favorite is Heal Beam with the Model or the AKM and the Zipline, Defib and Frag Grenade

[spice vigil]

not using medium

[languid crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279762628364730420/1289084675033399390/fans.gif

[fresh estuary]

nuh uh just learn to avoid the hammer down

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-role-patrick-slapping-spongebob-meme-gif-27172407

[spice vigil]

so many rolecists in this server smh

[fresh estuary]

some1 gotten killed more than they like by it haha

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/2ps-compelling-argument-meme-higher-role-gif-22667466

[fresh estuary]

i seee one cannot when against the man who only speaks with gifs

hammer needs buff

needs to be able to hit multiple targets in one swipe if close together

[spice vigil]

can it not???

[formal crown]

Specialization Ideas
Light: Parkour passive ability (double jump, wall run/climb, increased slide speed [Titanfall2 Pilot])
Medium: War Banner (team buffs within area around medium)
Heavy: Super gravity gloves (ability to hold small debris + multiple canisters and being able to throw them)

[languid crag]

i think instead of a warbanner there should be a disposable pistol or flare gun

[formal crown]

please flesh out the flare gun and/or disposable pistol. Im curious cause i believe medium focuses on team support

[royal pier]

Fun Fact: The MGL32 nades explode on contact with the water on Kyoto.

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK PLS GIVE HEAVY THE OICW RIFLE FOR SEASON 4. It is simply put - perfect. It's a burst rifle shooting 2 bullets at once and can be switched to a grenade launcher feature.

[languid crag]

yeah heavy needs that

[languid crag]

also post it on feedback they read that more often

[patent comet]

give Heavy the Barret 50 cal.

[languid crag]

holds too much ammo it would have to do 100 damage but have a slow reload and slow equip

or 76 damage

[sacred cypress]

Yeh I did but i forgot to add the image lol

[patent comet]

8 bullets
120 damage
projectile bullet
Halo sniper sounds

[cloud vale]

Pls embark long sword skin for the hammer. Pls... Berserk bundle

[languid crag]

this would be a really good model 1887 skin https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Z58YwG

[storm blade]

Nerf turret ples

[languid crag]

turret is fine unless you play light only turret nests are op

[zenith drum]

Is famas viable?

[snow hedge]

add more turret versions

[coral root]

Famas is OP right now. Use it while that lasts

[languid crag]

im a famas main

[snow hedge]

ak is broken as well.

[patent comet]

hahaaa I will launch rubble at people

[snow hedge]

ADD BALISTIC MISSELS TO THE GAME

[timber idol]

how do i complete the "headshot 20 opponents from 35m away"

[hallow leaf]

With a gun from 35m

[timber idol]

ohh mb i was using dagger makes sense

[hallow leaf]

But powershift will be the easiest way, and if your not sure if its 35m just ping the enemy and it will tell you how far away they are

[north snow]

let me no scope with the revolver and i will never complain about this game again

[timber idol]

alr ty

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/in-shock-gif-17553158948252598097

[steady mist]

what do y'all think of the SH1900?

[hallow leaf]

op as fuck

[shell sonnet]

Annoying at times, but its by far not the worst offender atm, so its "fine" as is

Until you want to play light and they run stun gun
That is a straigh up match killer and results in free kills for days

[shell sonnet]

Its all about risk reward

Sh1900 only has 2 shots
And you need to hit both (pretty much point blank) to kill someone

Unless theyre a light, for which 1 is enough
But light is the fastest class in the game, with special tools for evasion
They are very well equipped to prevent you from getting into close range

So its even more extreme
Higher risk because they have an easier time avoiding it
But even more rewarding, because if you manage to get that close, a single meatshot will put them down

That is balanced

To then have a tool with drastically more range that removes this counterplay makes this break apart

Its pretty similar to winch + sledge imo
You have a weapon that is very powerful, but lacks range to compensate
That then gets a tool that makes the lack of range a non-issue

[crude leaf]

My Frag Grenade montage is finally complete 😄 https://youtu.be/5_uodo5Sqjc?si=1mv8rAhKNi5PsvNB

[covert parcel]

sweetie wake up new insult dropped

[tiny prairie]

since I came in this server and that is the only thing you post mr freeman

[whole zealot]

I wonder, what is peoples thoughts on the CL-40? I've been using it because I enjoy grenade launchers, especially with it being a pump-action one. (Already collapsed a few floors with it, and need to learn to combine it with the explosive cannisters for demolition purposes)

[narrow nymph]

The damage you do to yourself with splash damage needs to be reduced and I'd like to see the magazine capacity increased with one grenade. Other than that it seems fine. Doing damage to yourself makes sense, but you kill yourself way faster than any enemy, lol.

[high lark]

buff fcar

[whole zealot]

Pff, yea, I done that a few times

[restive plover]

what

[plush harbor]

Good but very inconsistent unless you are in ball-tickling range

[shut bane]

Ball tickling range

[plain wasp]

Make the model require ball tickling range

[restive plover]

Do you guys prefer the scope on the pike or iron sights?

[shut bane]

Iron sights personally, low zoom and visual recoil makes it easier to control and track with at closer ranges while still being viable at medium to long with enough aim

[astral cedar]

Embark can’t seem to keep a good balance for it unfortunately. As it stands it just isn’t good outside of 20 meters due to the slow projectile speed but isn’t good at under like 13 because the self damage is too dangerous

I think it was better before the current changes honestly, I still think end of season 3 was the best fit so far

93 max damage (not amazing) but lower self damage to compensate so it was consistent within 0 to 20m

[whole zealot]

That makes sense. All I know on it is that it is three shots basically at their feet or direct, and then I use it as a demolition weapon at farther ranges

[astral cedar]

maybe I’m just a coper but aoe damage isn’t like…THAT good to warrant all the drawbacks everywhere else. The only time it was seriously competitive was those first S4 changes and they bungled it by not also adjusting self damage

Either way embark needs to just pick. Is it lower risk lower reward or higher risk and higher reward? They straight up have not been treading that line well and it is frustrating as an enjoyer of the weapon

Fuck it while I’m at it add contact explosions for mgl32 as well if coming in contact with a player. I don’t wanna change much else because the concept of bouncing grenades is so sick and cool when it works right and really shows off the strengths of the finals as a game

[vale obsidian]

"just isn’t good outside of 20 meters due to the slow projectile"
to that i say krill issue

that last clip is almost great

[astral cedar]

“perform on par to worse than a traditional gun in exchange for a massive investment of skill and or time” is still just bad to me sorry

yeah you gap me and your opponents which is cool and have awesome clips

[vale obsidian]

it is the most fun gun tho lol

being competitively viable isn't really a piority in this casual game anyways

[astral cedar]

my having fun to getting cooked because I’m underpowered ratio has to be even enough for me to keep using it

but it has not been a good ratio which is why I keep switching even though it’s like my highest level weapon outside of riot shield

maybe I should just drop the game but I already did for a lot of S3

[vale obsidian]

riot shield user
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[astral cedar]

😔I want to end the copium cycling I want my spark back

[vale obsidian]

if you want to just win game then model your man

most busted gun of the season rn

[astral cedar]

no there’s a limit to these things

I wanna win but not THAT bad of course it’s not the only thing for me or I’d never have kept using cl40 all these seasons

but having one of your faves fumbled for the entire lifetime of the game is kinda annoying

I would’ve taken season 3 cl40 if I had been keeping up with the game at the time

[midnight cape]

Just wish it felt that way in my hands

[plucky spade]

Nah I think it would take a way a lot from the identity

[astral cedar]

They gotta do something then

I don’t really care what they do but every grenade launcher weapon cannot be completely dogshit in the main range of the game

[plucky spade]

Not everything needs to be competitively viable tbh, some weapons are allowed to be goofy ones/situational

[astral cedar]

I didn’t say that either

[plucky spade]

Well that's the thing, they ain't

[astral cedar]

1.6x self damage modifier

[plucky spade]

0-20 is where you expect them to work

[restive plover]

Gadget mgl 😎

[plucky spade]

Also does mgl get that?

[astral cedar]

No cl40 gets that but mgl to my understanding doesn’t

[plucky spade]

The 1.6 multiplier?
Ok ok

[astral cedar]

heavy can at least run charge I suppose

[restive plover]

No. 1.6 is unique to cl40.

[astral cedar]

but no I don’t think it loses everything being a little less prone to terrain totally screwing it over in a game as volatile as the finals

Especially when it’s not like the best high range option heavy has either
The utility frankly is hard pressed to out weight deagles 37 some meter damage falloff (insane btw nerf deagles)

[plucky spade]

Well that's only during the cookie( building ) crumbling

[astral cedar]

but idk maybes it’s just general balance

Maybe if model and deagles etc weren’t so strong I’d have less to complain about out 😊

[plucky spade]

Mmmm yeah
Tbh i never felt that gadgets are necessarily definers of what your weapon should be

[plucky spade]

Are deagles that good really?

[astral cedar]

Their damage falling legit kicks in and well past 30m
Like it’s doing full damage up until 37 meters out

[plucky spade]

What's their dpm again

And hs multiplier?
In general i've never felt the deagles beam me better than a lewis let's say

As a mainly med player

[astral cedar]

lewis is still better on paper without headers from deagles

but you’d have to get into higher ranks before lewis players can actually aim and really show it off I think

[plucky spade]

Yeah i mean.

[astral cedar]

I’m just full of cope I can’t compete with the easier more consistent options using my nichey stuff, I have to skill gap and I’m not skilled

[plucky spade]

That's the problem with any game really.
Create a good for low skill players gun
It gets abused by high skill players
Do the reverse and now the lucky bad player decimates you because you cannot handle the same gun at that moment and you feel robbed

Really on paper you cannot escape that. If I recall almost all heavy guns have somewhat the same dpm

They've done a good job tbh aside one or two guns. I just feel that you must have a tf2 esque gameplay loop to not feel frustrated. Like. Just add a casual 12v12 mode where your skill issue is not as noticeable and you can be backed up by a mob

I mean the maps are huge.

Now the problem is, can the servers handle it

[shell sonnet]

An option might be to just play on certain parts of the map at a time
That would limit the amount of calculations the game has to do

Seperate the map into 5 parts (with walls like in TA)
Spawn both teams at opposite ends of each area
Let them duke it out
Last team standing wins the round
Then unload/destroy all remaining debris in that area and play on the next part of the map

First to 3 wins

[gritty sinew]

https://youtu.be/j90nZ1-K-zQ

New Heavy Weapon just dropped

[remote axle]

yes

[safe cypress]

that looks like something that if you even look at a light with it he will die

[gritty sinew]

And the Hammer as a Melee weapon too for quick response time :3

[safe cypress]

yess right click alt fire is using the hamer

[plucky spade]

Somebody tag embark for this

[plucky spade]

Yeah but like 12v12 is gonna be bonkers

[hallow lance]

Yo is the m11 nerfed?

[shell sonnet]

Maybe so

But even just 5v5 would be good for my tastes

I feel like having 2 teams that are in return larger is often more balanced, fair and fun

[upper sinew]

it whold be exiting to have enaugh wappons to creat a gunngame styled mode (with several new maps, keeping L,M and H apart as separdade modes)

[covert parcel]

to be fair that is quick cash, but holy fuck good shots

[covert parcel]

5v5 Cash
I seriosuly dont undestand why embark hasnt added it yet

they know they struggle to appeal to casuals despite stating themselves its a casual game

they see the success of powershift and see new players gravitate to it due to the simplicity with 2 teams + free respawns

why the fuck not add 2 team cashout, embark is literally shooting themselves in the foot w them not doing it

[long otter]

WHY IS THERE NOT A TRAMPOLINE JUMP PAD SKIN

I NEED A TRAMPOLINE JUMP PAD SKIN

[cunning wyvern]

for the millionth time make the spear throwable

[west magnet]

Throwable heavy weapon when

[toxic forge]

Throw able sledge would be cool

[west magnet]

Bricks

[toxic forge]

True

[timber idol]

bomb

[west magnet]

Impact grenades

[timber idol]

just throw a massive looney toons bomb

[west magnet]

HAHAH YES

[timber idol]

wait better idea: anvil

[viscid ibex]

i want some of whatever the embark devs are on because HOLY SHI what are they doing to this game like they are completely ruining there own game by making meduim the meta entirly and there model "nerf" like how tf does that even affect the model fix your game by maybe doing smth to the game instaed of nerfing weapons that are perfectly balanced and buffing weapons that are the most op in the game like ur ruining the entire game pull it together

[nimble bronze]

No

[drowsy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-impostor-among-us-impostor-crewmate-crew-gif-25227945

[pliant steppe]

Can we get some Amethyst weapon mastery skins?

[drowsy pasture]

Bro said mastery skins

[brittle yoke]

those are so sex

[drowsy pasture]

I agree they are so sex

[nimble bronze]

Yo we need those

[dusty abyss]

🔥🔥🔥

[hexed tulip]

ranked powershift rewards

[pliant steppe]

That’s what they’re called in the game. For whatever reason, Embark doesn’t call them camos.

[drowsy pasture]

No way they're actually called mastery skins

Maybe it's the call of duty in me talking but when I think of mastery skins I think of more than just me leveling up my gun

[pliant steppe]

Definitely agree. I did the Dark Matter multiplayer grind in Cold War, so the simple xp leveling of guns in The Finals is disappointing.

You inspired me to update my sales pitch.

[drowsy pasture]

I really wish there were more games that had skins based on weapon challenges and not just use this weapon enough to get skin

[pliant steppe]

Facts. Killing someone with a dark matter baseball bat just felt better than with other camos.

[drowsy pasture]

I know the finals is a completely different game than cod but still there could be so many more free skins than just some shitty weapon recolors

[dry wigeon]

That would be FIRE🔥

[trim fog]

Want that so much

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/2ps-compelling-argument-meme-higher-role-gif-22667466

[astral cedar]

At the same time I’d like a mix of both because everyone should absolutely know I used CL40 and riot shield long enough for triangle twinkle

THEY SHOULD KNOW 🗣️

[sly estuary]

can u have more than 2 proximity sensors down at once

[covert parcel]

what program did you use

[boreal laurel]

Yes you can

[languid crag]

mateba mtr-8 for light

[obtuse night]

Stun Gun needs a Buff

[patent comet]

[obtuse night]

Am I wrong?

[patent comet]

[obtuse night]

This means nothing to me

[pliant steppe]

Photoleap on my phone

[languid crag]

l85 for heavy

[wild isle]

You're right, heavy does too much damage. We need to give it a weapon that jams every single time you shoot it so heavy can't do any more damage

[shut bane]

We already did that with the deagles

A shame it’s a virtual game show

[spark igloo]

cloak > dash

[shut bane]

Nice opinion

[jade violet]

cloak for SMGs,dash for Shotguns

and grapple for sniper Rifle

[jade violet]

im sure u know how terrible is this "fullautomatic"rifle in real life

its chauchat in 21 centry

[languid crag]

ik it jams alot

just make it so it does not jam in the game

[long otter]

EMBARK NERF THE FREAKING FLAMETHROWER

NERF THE FLAMETHROWER

[smoky jackal]

game needs role q

[tulip pebble]

This. Look at the scoreboard, you'll never guess what they were running 🙂

[smoky jackal]

nothing like every fight being at least a 3v6

[tulip pebble]

We made it to the final round and in the last team fight for match point they revived each other 3-4 times. We had 11 or 12 kills from the fight. The cooldown needs to be extended to the point that it's only usable once per fight, at the very least. Still doesn't fix triple defib, but the only two ways to truly fix that are either role queue, or moving defibs to light or heavy, but the triple medium crutching no-lifers would cry too loud 😢

[tranquil rose]

Keep your distance from the enemy...or plan your moves if you know someone is coming at you with flamethrower.

Light and Medium shotgun can take out easily a flamethrower heavy as well.

Zapping him also is efficient to shut him down.

How do I know this? This is how people countered me using flamethrower

[random anvil]

nice

[languid crag]

agree

[fleet brook]

Noob takes

It's only a really effective light killer and gets out damaged by most guns

And the games best weapons all outrange it by alot

[vale obsidian]

wanting a flame thrower nerf is crazy

[languid crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182329984723976283/1306186438341300255/cat-nuh-uh.gif

cochran turret revolver skin for mediums revolver would go hard

[tranquil rose]

If they nerf the flame thrower the weapon will be basically useless since, and most likely everyone will span the heavy shotgun which is much more powerful

[languid crag]

they nerf the ammo

[tranquil rose]

From what weapon...?

[languid crag]

flamethrower

this as a skin for the mediums revolver would go hard

[hazy spear]

lets just throw the schüler revolver with it

OR THIS

the prototype for a Soviet cosmonaut survival gun

[fleet brook]

That'd make it bad as it has a chunky reload time

3.5 seconds

[languid crag]

how tf do you even reload that

[languid crag]

also thats a shotgun and it holds 5 rounds

[hazy spear]

it went up every shot ant you were able to pull out the barrel

[languid crag]

and the schüler does not have proper iron sights

[hazy spear]

it was ALSO a shotgun, yea

[hazy spear]

and? mage it a deagel double skin

[languid crag]

so the cochran would be better

[hazy spear]

that thing was able to shoot sniper ammunition and shotgun shells

[languid crag]

ok? it was probably better off with the normal .357 or whatever its main ammo was

[hazy spear]

that was its main amo

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

[hazy spear]

it was supposed to be REALLY deadly and had the ability to pop a bayonet on it

[languid crag]

cochran with a bayonet would go hard for mediums revolver

[hazy spear]

"you speak English because its the language you speak, i speak English because it's the only language you understand"

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

still cochran is the better option

[hazy spear]

don't care tbh

[languid crag]

then why did you respond?

[hazy spear]

because i like those weapons as skins, but don't NEED them

i like throwing ideas around for shits and giggles

[languid crag]

also the plundersteel is based off this im pretty sure

[languid crag]

found some other skins embark could add in for the revolver

[vale obsidian]

these look more like toys then real gun lol

[zinc quiver]

👋Hi, I have a question:
what would you say are the requirements that both gadgets and specialisations need to stick to in order to feel like they could fit in the finals?🔴

[astral cedar]

grounded enough in theming to not be out of place in the virtual battlefield of the finals

Example: heavy railgun? As of now it’s just not thematically aligned
Heavy mortar? Grounded enough to not stick out

Balancing and stuff comes after that but I think the theming is the most important IMO—get a concept that fits and work forward from there instead of trying to fit a use and working backwards

[tiny prairie]

your opposition with roles is unreal

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-stop-gif-15995092

what happened to my gifs?

it works fine in other channels

[shell sonnet]

Does anyone have ideas for reworking the flamethrower?

[tranquil rose]

The flamethrower is fine, might not be top tier but it's fine

[vale obsidian]

it have a problem?

[restive plover]

It's a really bad weapon, and also kind of braindead.

[shell sonnet]

Thing is
Its really good against lights (frustratingly good at times), but thats about it

Against heavies or when trying to defend it can be painful

[shell sonnet]

I mean

Its useable
Its not game breaking

But it could (probably) be improved

[vale obsidian]

maybe give it something like a single target skill shot that give bonus damage?

[tranquil rose]

Like how? I don't think it needs more damage, the only thing that comes to my mind is more range but that's about it.

Buff anything that involves damage and we have another brainless weapon that kills super fast.

[shell sonnet]

I was thinking trying to come up with something that doesnt change its effectiveness against lights
But helps it against mediums/ heavies

[tranquil rose]

Plus, we gotta remember that it was previously nerfed, so it means it was strong before

[restive plover]

Make the primary fire jets of flame that last for a very short time. Basically a fire "shotgun."

Keeps the ability to hit multiple people at once, destroy gas goo etc. and can get to have actual damage without people going insane. Shouldn't be a ton of damage as to offset the utility.

The current constant stream could be adjusted as a secondary fire option maybe.

[shell sonnet]

Doesnt need to be

I was thinking of something akin to the backburner in tf2
Bonus damage on back hits

Something to promote skillfull positioning and flanking

And since lights are already very active on flanks and fast enough to get away from it
It shouldnt impact them

That would be what id like to see

If it werent absolutely busted with winch

[restive plover]

From what I've heard it was still mostly just annoying, but also had a ton of problems with the fire effects destroying visibility.

[tranquil rose]

Seems a bit too niche and specific

[restive plover]

This is why winch should be made an arena manipulation gadget.

[shell sonnet]

It works in tf2, and its a lot more linear than the finals
Flanking is easier here

[shell sonnet]

Especially with heavies desrtuction kit to make openings

[tranquil rose]

That was the first thing they changed after beta, reduce the lightning from the flames that basically blind you. The next ones were a true nerf.

[shell sonnet]

Absolutely

Funny thing about winch is
Since it turns you around on hit
You get to perfectly see all the times you got winched around a wall

[tranquil rose]

It works in TF2 because basically you have a ton of weapons made to be played in niche ways. The finals is much simplier philisophy.

Giving the Flamethower a secondary active could be interesting, but we gotta know if it's possible

We haven't seen any weapons rework, only numbered ajusted and some recoil changes

[shell sonnet]

Are they though?
A good bunch of stuff is pretty transformative

And it doesnt mean the finals cant have niche things either

Just look at dual blades vs riot shield

[shell sonnet]

That what id hope from their announced changes to balance approach

[tranquil rose]

It has niche weapons for sure, but no-one with tha kinda of mechanic

[shell sonnet]

Fixed all the things that can be fixed with numbers
Now on to the major issues where that wont cut it

[tranquil rose]

Like do x thing it will do more damage, unless it's a headshot

[shell sonnet]

We literally have backstabs though

[tranquil rose]

Oh yeah, it's true! Forgot about that one

Though for the sake of argument, that's the intire point of the knife

It plays around that very one specific thing

[shell sonnet]

Why couldnt it also be the point of the flamethrower?

Like, i know it also has util
But i think ukwim

[tranquil rose]

Because the flamethrower has already it's own thing going, AOE DOT damage

[shell sonnet]

Its not very good at that though
Its a lights bane of existence

But heavies can just shrug it off

[tranquil rose]

Because it's a good weapon for crowds, not 1v1

That's why people use it in power shift, where a bunch of people are close toghter in platform

[shell sonnet]

Well, i guess its just
Person 1 want to play like x
And person 2 wants to play like z

I do have fun with that, but i also wish it could do stuff beyond that

Because it can feel frustratingly lacking at times

[tranquil rose]

And I don't know about you, but the damage is respectable, it's not like you will be able to simply IGNORE the flamethrower.

[shell sonnet]

No no, obviously true

[tranquil rose]

Yeah, I get what you mean. I love the medium revolver but it's garbage to use for absurdly no reason. I would glady trade fire-rate for more accuracy.

I would also like mediums to have more speed with melees, would help alot with catching up enemies too

[shell sonnet]

100% accuracy hipfire
The wild west gunslinger

[tranquil rose]

But I just simply don't know how embark works, it might be not possible

[shell sonnet]

Thats something i hard disagree on though

A big part of melees counterplay is running away if all else fails

That would probably make it frustrating to face

Its better to have 1 item suck, and the user can swap off it at any time
Than have 1 item be broken(/annoying), and everyone on the server has to suck it when someone uses it

[tranquil rose]

Gotta remember that MANY things simply nulifie melees. None of the medium melees are frustrating, hell they're actually super balanced

[shell sonnet]

(See sledge before/after winch)

[fleet brook]

It's a beginner and a relax weapon each class has it

[shell sonnet]

Imo thats in part because you can just run away

If you couldnt, it would be a cat and mouse chase you cant win
That would make it frustrating

[fleet brook]

Light has there smgs and the old xp which was literally aim at head/ body no recoil

Flamethrower for heavy

Grenade spam for medium/ ak which is just point and click

[tranquil rose]

Yeah because Embark literally created a solution towards a problem that was made to balance heavy weapons, a big fucking oversight

Same goes for the sudden creationg of pike and model for medium, why the fuck the SUPPORT class has one of the strongest weapon?

[shell sonnet]

Its the same way riot is currently

But instead of 1 person having a bad time and 9 enemies having a normal game
It would turn around to 9 enemies being annoyed so that 1 guy can have a bit more fun

Not a worthwhile trade

[tranquil rose]

Just tell me, how a slight buff towards movement would break the game?

It's not like explosives, fire, gas, zap, good positioning, mobility gadgets already fuck's over medium melee

[shell sonnet]

You see where im getting at

Im worried that should me make engaging with melee easier, it could turn it frustrating

[tranquil rose]

They don't have the wench to resolve the problem of catching up, they don't have mobility like light

You're basically a maniac walks towards a gun and praying the enemy doesn't react fast enough

[shell sonnet]

If you increase their speed they do
Then they can catch up

Literally outrunning other mediums (possibly lights too depending on how much you buff it)

Or are you reffering to the blocking walking speed?

Like being slowed down less

[tranquil rose]

Walking speed, enough to catch up another medium

[shell sonnet]

Being slowed down less

[tranquil rose]

It's not like it would be instant like wench or dash, you would still need to make the whole travel

What makes them works it's that they're FAST

[shell sonnet]

But then you offer 0 counterplay

If you run, you will never get away because they can keep up
If you try to shoot, they can block it and approach you incredibly quickly

Where as now you can at least kind of preassure them off you and gain some distance by forcing a (slowing) block

[tranquil rose]

Like I said, enough to catch up, not like you will be light levels of running speed.

Second, there's a BUNCH of mechanics to beat melees

You're talking like if there wasn't a bunch of other counterplays

Despite begin just a bit faster, you're still niche depending of the situation.

You can still get zapped, you can still get gunned down, you can still get shoulder-slamed, you can still get bombed/gased/fired. Can't explode mines safely.

Is it low gravity? Well, fuck, guess I'm useless

[shell sonnet]

Stun gun is unbalanced
So is charge n slam
They both need changes

We shouldnt use unbalanced things to justify the rebalancing of other items
That will likely just result in even more unbalanced items

Low gravity is pretty frustrating as is and could use changes anyways

[fleet brook]

It was also a solution to dash

And the fact you could never catch a good player and even if you did light had several "Nuh uh " buttons

[tranquil rose]

Yeah the whole melee system was poorly thought out

[shell sonnet]

"Oh hey, this 1 ability makes this 1 niche weapon slightly worse, lets make it ruin the fun for everyone so this 1 guy (that can always swap weapons btw) doesnt get hard countered"

I dont mean to sound rude with that
I just cant put it into better words

Hope you dont mind

[fleet brook]

1 it wasn't slightly it just completely ruined any chance they had of giving anyone but light a melee weapon

2 that doesn't solve the issue of literally everything being faster than you so you can't catch a good player

3 it was niche because anything outside of quick cash and even without quick cash as players improved with time the weapon became useless

Dash was a problem for pretty much the entire melee category

Plus stun gun

Most CQ weaponry would be bad and it was design limiting

[tranquil rose]

Well...now they created the wench, making it everyone's problems now.

[fleet brook]

Winch sucks

[shell sonnet]

Thats true

But the solution to that should not have been to give them a tool like winch which in turn screws over everyone so the sledge heavy is slightly better off

[fleet brook]

Embark has a thing of making things which are conceptually cool but OP and then nerfing them to dog or desperately trying to rebalance

[shell sonnet]

Nope

[fleet brook]

I mean for purposes other than bonking people

[tranquil rose]

You can grab a vault, no?

[fleet brook]

I mean the community forgot it could do other things but as someone who combined it with destruction and grav cube it could make some cool combos now the range is meh and it makes play making harder with it

[tranquil rose]

You can also pair it with the heavy shotgun, making it more lethal

[shell sonnet]

Yeah but i dont care about those (for current discussion)

The bonking is the problem

[shell sonnet]

Thats why i think they should revert the nerf and just throw player interaction out the window

And turn it into a gadget

[fleet brook]

Winch sucks because as a balance wise it'll either have bad range like sub 10M and it's useless or a long CD or people will riot

[fleet brook]

Meh then you run back into melee heavy being terribly designed issue

[shell sonnet]

Imo cooldowns suck at balancing

It doesnt change the issue
It just dictates how often the frustrating thing is allowed to happen

When it would be better to just not happen at all

[tranquil rose]

Wasn't shoulder-n-charge suppose to help out to closing the gap of distance?

[fleet brook]

Kind of that was it's original purpose but it was more used for destruction/ running through walls

[shell sonnet]

So instead of 1 person having fun and 9 people being annoyed
1 person has a mid weapon that they can swap off if they want to and everyone else is having fun either way?

Sign me up

[tranquil rose]

Now it's used as an instant 130 burst lol

[fleet brook]

You act like I'm like praising the wench and melee heavy and like arguing with you dude first time I was patient but now it seems rude

And secondly poorly designed base systems lead to poorly designed over systems

[shell sonnet]

Its sad to have something rolling in the dirt
Dont get me wrong

But thats better than having it throw virtual shit at everyone else

[fleet brook]

Having play styles or things in your game which are unfun to use or are just non options is terrible game design

Not even just terrible at that point it's a waste of files and dev time because heavy has 2 melee weapons now and spear struggles enough on its own

[shell sonnet]

I can only point at my mentioned ratio

1 thing being unfun and 9 people having fun is better than
1 person having fun and 9 people being frustrated

Idk what else to tell you
Majority rules

I really dont mean to sound rude

[fleet brook]

Most people don't find light fun to play against

Embark themselves have said people don't enjoy playing heavy they just do it to win

Most people didn't find sniper any fun to fight because no one else had long range damage

[tranquil rose]

Dude, the "unfun" part could be many things.

There's people asking for a fucking flamethrower nerf. There's people asking for AK nerf.

[fleet brook]

Embark isn't really making decisions for the many is my point they're making decisions to make most playstyles functional

[tranquil rose]

Unfun is literally if something is just simply impossible to beat, at the moment medium model is almost a perfect gun.

[fleet brook]

I just want one change and that's for grav cube not to be able to be shot out

[tranquil rose]

MP5 was incredible at everything, they nerfed it in the most dumbass away

[fleet brook]

Winch could've been a cool gadget but people optimize the fun out of things

[tranquil rose]

Wow...now that's a harsh truth.

[shell sonnet]

I mean, you have to
Abuse or be abused

[tranquil rose]

And that's embark ultimate fault

[fleet brook]

Yes it's an annoying thing if on launch it didn't have player grab and was just an environmental tool I would have a cool combo rn of destruction+ manipulation but instead of I have a tool with bad range and a semi decent yank

[shell sonnet]

Think back to nukes 2/3rds of the server were heavy

You could probably count the number of heavies not running c4 you meet in a day on 1 hand

[fleet brook]

And a CD of a kill tool and not util

[shell sonnet]

Ive kinda lost track tbh
Where were we?

[astral cedar]

Winch is nutty but I would be fine repurposing it to being able to strip off parts of buildings and walls

only problem is heavy melee would still kinda suck if removed we’d only have goo gun and that takes too much effort for my casual ass

[shell sonnet]

Id love it as alternate (slightly ranged) destruction

[astral cedar]

If I shoot only 1 goo shot there’s a chance I could not stop there person, too many shots and I just slow my own approach, it’s a delicate balance

Vs winch grab and go+cashout manipulation

[shell sonnet]

Welp, at least you can swap off melee (as much as that sucks)
I couldnt make you swap of winch

[astral cedar]

I think heavy melee is actually competitively viable though even at the highest levels of play (with winch or goo gun)

[shell sonnet]

(With or without winch?)

[astral cedar]

but your battles have to be picked extremely wisely, dash sword/dagger too

Without winch you’d have to play even more carefully

Need my bank it contract and keep running into a light with 31k+ lifetime elims free me

[shell sonnet]

There will always be a meta
No matter how we balance things
The single most effective item will be used
Perfection is impossible

At the very least we can make it not suck for everyone else

[tranquil rose]

It's just need to be functional, at this point there's just weapons that just DONT work

[shell sonnet]

To an extend
I stand by my point

If making it useable neccesitates making the game frustrating for others
Dont

[tranquil rose]

Or to be more realistic, requires away too much setup to work properly

[shell sonnet]

Which ones are you thinking of exactly?

[tranquil rose]

Dual swords, Shield, 93R, Heavy Granade Laucher, Spear

Revolver basically is a dead weapon you rarely see people using it

Spear you can kinda use it, but atm Hammer is straight up a better weapon

[shell sonnet]

Depends
It has unique and fun upsides

It would be worth running if they werent absolute jank

[tranquil rose]

And that's the main thing! Those weapons are absolutely JANK.

They don't feel good to use, they don't reward you with the amount work you have

They're just terrible weapons

[shell sonnet]

But still
Better have those be jank and bad, than too easy to use and powerful

Im trying to think of examples from other games to compare it to

[shell sonnet]

(Also, please dont change mgl i beg, its so fun if you get used to it)

[tranquil rose]

You're very scared of changes, to a point that it might be the very reason embark just don't want to touch them.

They NEED changes, there's a bunch of suggestion they could implement but they just don't want

It could be small things and slowly trying to tune them, but do nothing is the worst possible thing

[astral cedar]

I’d prefer cl40 stayed as it did end of S3 forever

[shell sonnet]

It does seem like that...

Im not against changes
But i really genuinly belive some of them would break the game
Hence my negativity towards them

[astral cedar]

These current changes suck to me, I prefer better damage per shot over an extra one

what do I need 5 shots for when I could get the job done in 4

[shell sonnet]

That thing was borderline garbage sometimes

I kid you not i had a nightmare where i kept shooting a light during a chase and he always survived on 1 hp

[astral cedar]

I’d take that over the same light rushing me and I do 140 to myself

With current changes that light can still walk it off

Because the current damage scaling in the aoe means you might as well have 93 max damage again

[shell sonnet]

Feet shooting would not have stopped otherwise
It would have been complained about till the end of time

Its a neccessary evil imo

[astral cedar]

it is overblown

1:1 is totally fair not 1.6x extra damage what

Doing more than I can actually deal to opponents is wacky

[shell sonnet]

But in that case, you can literally just shoot your feet and trade a medium

Rn you die 1 shot too early
You can only trade lights

[tranquil rose]

Yep, that's just simply an artificial padding lol

[astral cedar]

even during the overtuned season 4 buffs it still had a lower ttk than all the ARs

[tranquil rose]

Gotta remember your opponent is still shooting you

[astral cedar]

but instead of keeping the damage and making self damage scary they reduced your damage and increased your self damage

so you get the worst of both that doesn’t make sense to me 😭

[shell sonnet]

Idk the exact breakpoints
But i doubt it would have gotten this many complaints if it didnt matter

[tranquil rose]

Gotta remember that people complains about anything

[shell sonnet]

True

[tranquil rose]

Like I said, a FLAMETHROWER nerf....

[shell sonnet]

There is a steep difference though

Stuff like akm gets a complaints once in a blue moon

Feet shooting was quite a bit more common

[tranquil rose]

To be honest if feet shooting led to a trade it would be fine

You're killing yourself to take someone out, that could be costly as hell

But I have to agree, a light rushing me down that would led to me suicide and the lil fucker just walk away is beyond meme at this point

[shell sonnet]

Eeeeeeh
About that

Its balanced
1 death on both sides

But it sucks to die to it
And now 2 people are waiting to respawn for 20 seconds

Balanced ✅
Fun❌

Ive said similar stuff about a c4 vest before

[astral cedar]

No one is saying the first S4 buffers weren’t bad btw, the issue was the low self damage

[tranquil rose]

Bro, what is fun to you?

[astral cedar]

embark needs to pick high risk higher reward or lower risk lower reward, end of S3 was the latter and we’ve never gotten the former

[shell sonnet]

Im not following?

[tranquil rose]

You keep getting back at "this is not fun" "people won't have fun' "one person having fun"

Even in a balanced situation you don't consider it fun, then what is fun to you?

[shell sonnet]

Give me a minute
I want to take my time to explain it right

[uncut peak]

E

[rocky mica]

shotguns should not be the go to weapon for all skill tiers for medium, this applies to heavy as well

[shell sonnet]

imo a game should strive to be as fun as possible for as many people as possible
people are more enticed to join a fun game and keep playing
which then in turn leads to more revenue to keep the game up

winning is fun
but its an online pvp game, someone has to loose
since we cant avoid this, the best way to handle it is to make everything as balanced as possible and engaging for both parties
and this is can be done by giving both players decent opportunity to apply game knowledge and skill to tip the odds in their favor
(which then hopefully also makes the player blame themselfes and spark the desire to improve, rather than blame the enemy and get frustrated)

think of soldier vs pyro and tf2
pyro would likely suffer against soldier without airblast
but airblast doesnt shut soldier down completely, they can time their rockets between airblast
its a skillfull dance where the one with better prediction and timing often wins

things can never be perfectly balanced
in such cases its better to decide for the masses
make the game as fun as possible for as many people as possible

winch does make the game more fun, but only for the user
to everyone else its frustrating and un-interactive
1 person is better off and others suffer
it should not be that way

you can play melee heavy, and if you think it sucks, you can swap off it if need be
but if youre trying to just play normally and an enemy has winch, you cant make them stop

not sure if i could explain that well
is my way of thinking understandable or should i try to rephrase it?

for example with riot shield

part of its interactivity is being able to run away
which the riot user can also work around a little bit by trying to play a bit more around ambushing enemies

making them as fast as normal medium while blocking would remove that interactivity
its better for 1 person, at the cost of everyone else

and considering you can swap off riot shield, but enemies cant make you stop
it being weaker is overall healtheir for the game

[icy forge]

Can Embark allow us to break walls in 2 shots with KS-23 or speed up the reload speed please ?

[vale obsidian]

and also this as attachment

[drowsy pasture]

Phantom forces 👎

Wait that's not pf nvm

[vale obsidian]

close enough
its battle bit lmao

look exactly like roblox

[covert parcel]

i thought that too lol

[vale obsidian]

@shell sonnet
https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-sebi-gif-3902865978262177436

[restive plover]

Should I unlock dome shield or c4 for heavy?

[vale obsidian]

dome 100%

much more useful genarally and need less brain power to use compair to c4

[jade violet]

im sure deagle need a nerf

really

[restive plover]

dome or deagle then

[vale obsidian]

whatt gun you using rn?

if just form what stornger its debatable but imo you should have dome first

[restive plover]

urm the auto shotty

[vale obsidian]

deagle is basically auto shotty for mid range so if you like to stay out of scrap deagle your man

[jade violet]

about nerf deagle

any ideas?guys...

m11 is ok for now but deagle broken

and gas grenade should have 2

[granite orchid]

Yeah I love using it but the time to open the wall is atrocious, maybe 2 shots but smaller hole as a consequence?

[icy forge]

I relate but no to a smaller hole, first you wouldn't be able to fit through and second, the KS is for sure one of the most underrated and balanced weapons in the Heavy's arsenal, a straight arena damage buff would be good and won't make the weapon better in combat but will allow us to make better strategic plays

[jade violet]

why so many noob dare using cl40 and 1887 for against my aimbot m60

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[jade violet]

im kidinh not aimbot

just controller aim assist

those noob should find their game in their console and use this button for un-install

its not hard i could teaching

[icy forge]

First, stop being toxic, second, learn how to actually aim, third, stop insulting people

[jade violet]

im kidding wtf

[icy forge]

Lol, I'm not so sure about that

[jade violet]

ok then,do u want learn how to remove game from your console?

its not hard

[icy forge]

I'm not on Console, no thank you

[jade violet]

XD

[vapid frost]

What about punching gloves for heavy? It could work like the dagger, having a secondary uppercut attack that, if landed on the face, deals extra damage and maybe a concussion effect or something like that

The hitboxes may be tricky to detect tho

[jade violet]

👍🤔im still looking for my hevy blunderbuss

[icy forge]

YES, Heavy is gonna be similar to Heavy in TF2 let's go

[jade violet]

or Musket

I like this one

not this one

[drowsy pasture]

Add me on steam

[shut bane]

More melee for heavy is just not a good idea imo when they already have a good one (not spear)

[granite orchid]

The way I’m looking at it is if the KS did make break holes into walls that people can fit through than that would make it a more versatile sledgehammer but the kill holes allowed for offsite play either to hold a Cashout or steal one

[rocky rose]

I wouldnt say its good but its balanced. Its only good in low elo

[shut bane]

What we really need, is a colossal sword sledgehammer skin with animations

[granite orchid]

Ngl, that sounds like such a blast even if it was underpowered ultimately 😭

[granite orchid]

Colossal Sword makes brain go BONK

[covert parcel]

why does mesh shield not give support score anymore

[drowsy pasture]

The real question is why are you using mesh shield?

[covert parcel]

stacks

i had it broken 4 times from full > 0, only had 500ish by the end

[smoky jackal]

make the time between shots on the model longer. if its gonna be a sniper shotty, just make its rate of fire lower

[covert parcel]

1500*

i also had 2 rez + dome shield support as well

[bitter kite]

Yall

Who here likes the FCAR

[rocky rose]

sure

[rocky rose]

damage > 108 and more spread and its fine bro

[smoky jackal]

nah lower fire rate

[rocky rose]

no

it still 2 shots med 3 shots heavy and works at mid range

and 1 shots defib med. just lower damage and increase spread and its balanced

[smoky jackal]

a shotgun should do good dmg, i just dont think its fire rate should be as good as it is

[rocky rose]

its already slow

[languid crag]

i think the reload speed fore the model should be faster

it takes 2 seconds just to reload 1 round

[rocky rose]

no its already good why buff

[smoky jackal]

its really not when compared to other shotguns (exclude the literal semi auto light has)

[rocky rose]

its not a fast fire rate?

[languid crag]

yeah the semi auto light has has a fast reload tho

[smoky jackal]

they cant shoot individual shells though, right?

like reload one then shoot? like the model does

[languid crag]

its reloading an entire mag also its an underbarrel shotgun being used as a main weapon

also famas does not need any nerfs

[astral cedar]

2 shot shotgun is just insanely annoying I would genuinely prefer model being more like KS23 version 2 so I had time to react—just me though 🗣️

Because I can fight back if it’s 3 shots and they have to fuck up with 2 tap—if it’s 2 tap it is not really in my hands at all

[faint steppe]

FAMAS is fine. Model needs a damage nerf, Pike needs a HS buff (reward precision), revolver should be accurate while moving and have more range, M11 can be insane (I really don't think it needed the sight) but it doesn't need a nerf, FCAR should have less visual recoil and sword still has that stupid lingering hit box. I swear Embarks servers can't handle melee weapons

[faint steppe]

I don't think we need more color reskins of the same exact skin. Maybe it's just me but it kinda devalues the ones we already have.

But the idea itself is great. So if it's just placeholder concept art I'd really like to see some unique mastery skins.

[main axle]

It's a shame that the developers are no longer interested in the game, they don't listen to the community and they don't fix the countless bugs that the game has, it's noticeable that they are abandoning it and prioritizing the development of Arc Riders which will not be a game that will be very successful since it looks very generic and is not meant to be played for a long time like The Finals is.

[patent comet]

Omg!!! They added coach TF2 to The Finals!

[fleet brook]

Light also two shots the only person who doesn't two shot is heavy

And it two shots the lowest HP hardest to hit class in the game with body shots and mixed with range it can miss a pellet

[astral cedar]

I don’t like it either tbh but unlike model if you miss you’re punished harder+really bad spread that means it can’t chunk you the same way from 10m out

[fleet brook]

But it also two shots 2/3 classes instead of just 1

[astral cedar]

I would totally accept db getting deleted and matter buffed to have better spread so it’s 3 shot is more consistent

[fleet brook]

I'm tired of people basing shots to kill and ttk power of weapons by the lowest HP class in the game purposely designed to die easily or be easily punished

[hot summit]

Not my video but new skin for the knife just dropped

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCXxTybshlt/?igsh=ODh5eXEzZDJwa3h0

No embeds ahh moment

[languid crag]

is arc raiders an extraction shooter?

[astral cedar]

model 2 shotting med is annoying balance wise i can’t say definitely it’s super crazy unhealthy but due to where most of the fights in the game occur it is hella oppressive

med can’t react and heavy gets 3 shot but that doesn’t mean they just win cause it takes an extra one

[fleet brook]

I'm saying about the DB

[astral cedar]

yeah DB I don’t like but objectively it’s much much less of an issue compared to model

[fleet brook]

Also you could just adjust the distance where it gets damage drop off

[astral cedar]

DB just feels bad when the opponent is good but teamplay keeps it winnable especially because unlike model they can just end up trading for net 0

[astral cedar]

Yes

[languid crag]

i like extraction shooters

[astral cedar]

Either way model is annoying asf and I’d like it nerfed because I think approaching medium should be the 1 thing light and heavy can always do🗣️being that they have all the best weapons in the game for cutting you down before you reach that point

[noble swift]

I rather have that for people that are t500 in world tour or something but like having poor mans diamond for everyone with some ordinary challenge is kinda meh

[amber cloak]

Nice

[fleet brook]

I mean approaching medium has always meant death if you just run straight at them from anywhere post 20ish M

[astral cedar]

no I meant more “oh we downed one and the other is at 3/4 we can push him” into “I saw him the same time he saw me, started firing at the same time, but I lose the numbers game)

I say this even being generous most of the time I would’ve just killed them if they were using anything but model straight up because I fired on them first

Cause I ambushed them from a blind spot but because I’m within 10 meters well
I guess alternatively I can camp the trophy of his teammate but since I can’t interrupt defib

And the range at which I’m safe from model is enough for them to defib and dash into a building or whatever

[pliant steppe]

If this is a poor man’s diamond, then keeping it for top 500 WT would only make it a lower middle class man’s diamond.

WT already has emerald skins, and top players can leaderboard grind if they really want to show off.

Casual players are a major part of what sustains a game overtime. Players of different skill levels are part of a casual player base. So we need rewards and achievements that feel attainable for them too.

[noble swift]

I mean yeah, but just make something different altogether. Not a grape flavored diamond skin, yknow?

[pliant steppe]

Why?

[noble swift]

Cuz at that point why would i go for X or Y when i can just get Z?

Think of the golden ak rn being a ranked reward. What point is there on earning a gold ak when you can just... buy it?

Or vice-versa

Why bother suffering TA and aiming for a diamond lewis when I can just uwu emerald in WT?

Atleast those have a lil bit of "value" since they are tied to doing a substantial thing but leveling a weapon is basically just... you play a lot with that weapon and thats it

[plush harbor]

ur a hater

Amethyst gun skins for weapon challenges is a great idea

[noble swift]

Im just saying that the idea is fine but why a recolor?

Gimme the volcano skin that they made for a bundle as a level 10 thing instead

[pliant steppe]

So you think people who are capable of getting ruby or diamond wouldn’t because they could get emerald? And they wouldn’t get emerald because they could just get this?

I don’t believe that would happen much, if at all.

This achievement is designed for people who will never be able to get diamond, ruby, or even emerald. And the players who can get those will definitely still want them more than they want these.

The reason for the recolor is, it’s the same color as the top level player card badges.

[noble swift]

Let the diamond stuff be tied to the stuff its already tied to

[torn mantle]

No.

That has many, many problems and is a horrible ideea

[noble swift]

Yeah... hence my complaint... its a participation trophy

[pliant steppe]

The elitism is boring.

[torn mantle]

Heres the thing
-Ruby means skill
-Emerald means dedication

And this amethyst skin would mean consistency.

They dont reward the same thing

[noble swift]

Pretty sure you need consistency already for both ruby and emerald cuz well you need to win a lot for both

[torn mantle]

Consistency as in playstyle consistency, not neceserally skill consistency.

You can use anything a lot and still not be great with it. You can also change weapons or classes or specs often and still be good (or always pick meta) It depends from person to person

[noble swift]

I mean theres elitism and then theres just giving timmy no thumbs a bigass trophy similar to the one's winning the competition simply because he ran the race, not winning it

Feel free to disagree but im just saying that the reward should not be similar to that of the established stuff and have something different altogether like chrome or something alomg those lines

[pliant steppe]

lol, emerald skins are similar to ruby… but there is a world of difference between what they convey. If I go up against an enemy with a ruby AK, I’m gunna be way more worried than if they have an emerald one.

The diamond theme literally just signals that it’s a reward for the highest level of achievement in whatever domain; be it WT, Ranked, or player card badges. So it makes sense for the highest level of achievement for the weapons to be a variation of that theme.

[amber olive]

make sniper 1 headshot kill on mediums

[hallow leaf]

.... No, if revolver can't one shot lights with headshots then sniper shouldn't one shot medium

[amber olive]

so change? that too then

[timber idol]

better idea: make sniper one shot heavies on body

[amber olive]

ye

[hallow leaf]

If they did both then I would be fine with that

[timber idol]

revolver is such a cool weapon but i feel like it needs to be buffed

[hallow leaf]

It 100% does

[timber idol]

i dont know how they would do that though

[hallow leaf]

At the very least it needs more range, less recoil, and better hipfire

[timber idol]

yeah something like that

balancing can be very tricky

[noble swift]

If I see a ruby ak, i fear the mental state of the person for suffering TA that long

[quick stone]

Anyone have a code for the engimo turret?

[storm tulip]

Nah

[vale viper]

I'd say it just needs better hip fire. Getting stun gunned as a revolver medium is a death sentence.

[past seal]

х

[wicked pond]

X

[vivid bobcat]

Is there a way to switch between iron sights and red dot mid game?

Tryna decide what I prefer but it's annoying to have to leave the game to switch it

[echo blaze]

honestly it'd be really cool if we got a tablet skin for the specializations that use tablets, i.e. an ancient alien tablet like from subnutica.

[hallow leaf]

na it needs all 3 of those changes

[vale viper]

What kind of revolver are you using? Mine has no recoil

[restive plover]

I think he means visual recoil, which revolver does have a lot of.

[granite orchid]

[soft shale]

And nerf Model because I don't see why it can kill L/M in 2 body shots while jumping around hipfiring, while the Revolver requires you to ADS and hit 1 HS to do the same.

I was about to say +1 damage but then we'd exchange a Model meta for a Revolver meta.

[granite orchid]

More effective range, maybe, less recoil definitely not, and better hip fire? I agree. I’m surprised you don’t fan it when hipfiring but Hunt Showdown has spoiled me so

A little animation tweak to fan the revolver would go a long way during hipfire

[jaunty mica]

Things I didn’t know about the riot shield: it two taps lights.
You don’t take damage if you angle the shield while not holding it up.

[viscid ibex]

nah cuz wtf is embark devs doing bec this szn is so ass bro like model and meduim in general is so op like there dmg is so unfair to heavy and lights and triple stack meduim is a auto win like do smth instaed of just not doing anything

[covert parcel]

model complaints are right but can you add a period anywhere in that

[patent comet]

Season 5 gonna be lit

[teal summit]

fr

[tall raft]

guns boring

make non-guns better

shield not boring but is bad

bullets go through shield

i main shield but do better with any gun

this mean shield is not good

game stale if shield no good

game stale if gun always good

more people play goofy explodey game if less like sweaty counter-strike

[ember sigil]

Make all guns do the same damage (2) and give all melees infinite range and 400 damage per hit

[torn mantle]

Agree on range (tough only by about 5m) and hipfire, but the recoil is good as it is

[tranquil rose]

Pretty much the biggest contradiction atm, like seriously Embark?

[tranquil rose]

More range, better recoil and just balance it out with less damage. Or less fire-rate so you can't just spam it.

At the moment it just feels super clunky to use due visual recoil

[copper sinew]

A whole 2 damage, are you crazy? That is way too much.

[ember sigil]

Ur right let’s just bring it down to .5

[gray wagon]

if you cant fix the lunge with melee weapons, get rid of them! broken asf

[ashen hawk]

lmao thats a good joke

[ashen hawk]

prob the only point here that i agree with

[inland igloo]

I’ll say it again: poison dart blowgun for light. Make it a damage over time weapon similar to gas.

Chainsaw for heavy.

I’ve also been thinking about a tool or power that is like a reverse wench. Something like a projectile bounce pad that forces players and objects to be pushed back a certain distance and trajectory (based on weight class).

Plenty of times I’ve wished for a way to knock an opponent off the edge of the map, or send them flying during an in-air encounter

[thin orbit]

Some sort of gadget the locks doors would be cool or reinforces the map

[inland igloo]

Trap doors would be cool too

[shut bolt]

nahh that would more look like rainbow six seige

sergeant wha u typing for so long

[cyan bobcat]

my thoughts of how defib could be balanced:

-defib should have a similar stun effect that tazer does when hitting an enemy with them, since defibilators work by giving an electric shock. this is just a shower thought but it would give it more depth

-the defib revive time (the hologram thing) should be like 2-3s longer and it should be able to be canceled by glitch nades and barrels.

-increasing the cooldown from 45s to 50-60s would make the MMM meta less powerful

[exotic skiff]

Defib is fine and MMM is not meta

[cyan bobcat]

have you played ranked?

[thin orbit]

Could be like boxing gloves

I meant for the bounce pad like item

[exotic skiff]

More than you I believe

[cyan bobcat]

ive played 2 ranked matches today and in both of them there was 2-3 MMM teams, all equipped with defibs. they have to me nuked to get them down

[exotic skiff]

That not meta just easy to play for most people. That all

[cyan bobcat]

its still an issue. teams getting fully revived in 2s and defib having the same cooldown as a frag is OP and it makes the game frustrating and annoying, which is why a lot of new players dont stay

[exotic skiff]

If you let the enemy chain defib that a issue from Ur side

[cyan bobcat]

i dont think you get what im saying here

[shut bolt]

3 mediums are annoying fr

[exotic skiff]

I get what you mean and I think you're wrong

[thin orbit]

Sorry I run defib always

[shut bolt]

the cooldown just need to be changed everything else is fine

there are times when i killed a single team 3 times and they were all medium still every guy was alive in a couple of seconds

[cyan bobcat]

and dont get me wrong, i play support with defib most of the time im playing medium, but i do think it should be able to be countered by other than just mines, which arent available to lights and most heavies dont use them. also right now the glitch nade and barrel are pretty much useless, the glitch cancel would make them more used and give light a counter against defib

[thin orbit]

I don't know about it being fully blocked with a glitch nade but If it could pause the revive timer

[inland igloo]

Not a bad idea

[inland igloo]

What if the glitch actually forced everything into cooldown when it wears off instead of just a brief disruption

[tranquil rose]

It's a meta, you're just forgetting that it's A meta, not THE meta

There's other competitive comps as well

[exotic skiff]

There is at least four comp better than MMM

[cyan bobcat]

MMM is like the 2nd most used meta

[tranquil rose]

You know what? I gonna sit this one out, unless there's some high elo person in the chat to give a better insight. But I'm quite sure triple MMM it's one of if not the most popular comp

Double heal + Demateralizer + defibs + model + 2 pikes/akms

[tranquil rose]

The first is HHM? Or MMH?

[exotic skiff]

Best comp rn : HML HMM HHM

[astral cedar]

i don’t think HHM is as powerful anymore with the mesh changes but if it’s still being run at highest play levels I’m surprised

[exotic skiff]

can I so ?

[toxic plover]

Any news on season 5?
Also buff KS shotgun damage to 110

[tranquil rose]

What elo are you?

[exotic skiff]

top 8 rn

[tranquil rose]

🤔 can you show us then?

Not to be rude or anything, ofc

[exotic skiff]

show what ?

[tranquil rose]

Your elo, just give us a sprint screen of your rank

[exotic skiff]

check dm