💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tulip grove]

Bow has the great benefit for hitting hard and not ending up in running out of ammo.

93r is an actual sleeper pick because no one has been using it.

[cyan bobcat]

light weapon concept: SR-3 Vikhr aka CP3M
❓ a close-quarters combat assault rifle used by the Spetznav
🩸 DMG: 20, crits 30 (1.5x) | DMG falloff start: 18m 0% (59ft), MAX falloff: 24m (79ft) -60% DMG
🔥 RPM: 700
🎯 Aim Accuracy: decent, but worse than AKM | hip-fire accuracy: okay, but worse than M11
Mag Size: 20
⏱️ reload: 2.3s

Did I cook?

[mellow hazel]

Im ngl this is just xp54 but absolutely broken

233 dps

[pallid sandal]

Thanks

[mellow hazel]

Lh1, matter, m11

[pallid sandal]

I tried bow but I suck at it

[tulip grove]

I'd say... reduce Mag size to 18?
Or seriously hamper fire rate. I'm talking... 450 RPM, WW2 pipe gun grade fire rate.

[mellow hazel]

Body shots

[cyan bobcat]

youre right, this gun is pretty op. but i tried making it irl accurate

[tulip grove]

It needs getting used to, but it can get pretty deadly at close ranges. It's not everyone's cup of coffee tho. And Throwing Knives are probably objectively better outside of range disadvantage.

[cyan bobcat]

i actually looked up the caliber of this gun and its 9x39mm, and comparing it to AKM which is 7.62x39mm... this gun would actually have an insane recoil since it dont have a stock either and it shoots the same rounds as VSS vintorez

[tulip grove]

Then you'd likely need to work it like it kicks like a horse, basically either forcing you to tap/burst fire or try and learn it's recoil pattern. Both would no doubt still make the gun really lethal because good weapon users learn these things quickly. Just look at deagles.

[cyan bobcat]

or maybe give it a randomized pattern

also it could be made to be semi auto, since its a pistol rifle

[tulip grove]

Yeah, just anything to make sure the weapon doesn't end up becoming a laser rifle on a remotely competent pair of hands.

[cyan bobcat]

it would work like, the devs would give it like 10 different recoil patterns and every time you respawn, the pattern is randomized between those patterns

actually imo all guns should have it like that

[tulip grove]

Seems a little complex. Still, I wouldn't be against giving lights ARs.

[tulip grove]

In my honest opinion.

Thermal bore should be given to Heavy and then have it's damage buffed to actually be able to decently harm players.

Heavy should be the destruction class, after all, idk why Light has two gadgets that are great at destruction tbh.

[cyan bobcat]

you just described the RPG

[tulip grove]

Thing about RPG is that it almost exclusively is used for damage and to bust a hole through destructible terrain. Unless they give another RPG charge I don't see why not give Thermal Bore to Heavy.

[rose jasper]

Give everyone access to smoke grenades, let us decorate the battlefield

[cyan bobcat]

smoke nade skins should affect the smoke color

[tulip grove]

If you have a lot of Lights lurking in the lobby, a pyro-explosive mine combo can pretty much instagib them. You just need to keep distance from the mines and almost straight up fish for an elim. Alternatively, play Power Shift. It's much easier to deal damage against enemies from afar when you know for sure where they lurk in and the platform tends to be a good place to toss grenades in.

[pliant steppe]

Remove defib from the game, decrease amount of time it takes to manual revive.

Give heavies healing beam and APS (buff APS).

Give mediums winch and gravity cube.

Give Light the data reshaper and RPG.

[restive plover]

finally 😌

💳

[restive plover]

LIGHT WITH RPG????

[normal ice]

How busted would it be if we made a primary weapon version of the RPG? You have infinite charges, but still have to reload every shot. :troll:

[pliant steppe]

It would be fucking hilarious and chaotic. Imagine a little bastard jumping through a gateway just to fire off a rocket right in your face.

[restive plover]

For current RPG? Not at all. It would be a significantly worse ks23.

[normal ice]

Yeah, thought so too lol. It would take buildings down fast, at least. Then we could have laggier servers :)

[pliant steppe]

That’s the spirit.

Heavy with dash

[umbral kraken]

does light sword have any visual cue to tell you the charge is ready? i hate when i release the button too early and just sit there to get shot

[pliant steppe]

Demat light with the SH1900.

Medium melee with mesh shield.

[restive plover]

When you hold the sword level and your other hand is all the way up. There's also a sound cue.

If it's really giving you trouble, just drop in the practice range for a bit to get a feel for it.

[umbral kraken]

ty

[crude leaf]

If we were to have a long ranged option for Heavy, I think a Crossbow would be the perfect choice in my opinion

[soft shale]

We don't need anything more than Deagles for Heavies honestly. It's not a long range class and shouldn't be.

I'd like a new LMG with very high RoF, like a MG3 for instance. Low damage per hit, insane RoF, very inaccurate hipfire, inaccurate when fired on the move, severe damage drop off, but an absolute laser beam in CQC when stationnary.

[crude leaf]

Would be cool as shit tho you'd have to admit

[white torrent]

how much dmg does the sa12 do if you land full pellets

[cunning kettle]

dash sledge 💀

heavy with dash sledge*

[open sage]

I think around 91 damage if I remember

[cunning kettle]

fucker with 350hp dashes at you and beats your ass with consistent 200 damage

[languid crag]

im pretty good with 93r

[warm jackal]

Question, which one has less recoil. AKM or FCAR?

[cunning kettle]

akm has easier to control recoil imo

[languid crag]

yeah

[main zephyr]

yea

[warm jackal]

Should they add auto running?

[languid crag]

p90 for medium would go hard

[viscid pebble]

you can toggle running

in keybinds setting

[warm jackal]

Really? I didn't see that when I was looking for it. TY

[viscid pebble]

gotchu, there should be two different sprint keybinds, one is hold and the other is toggle, just bind your sprint key to the toggle keybind and you are good to go

[spark igloo]

we really just saying random shit now

[languid crag]

yeah hes saying random shit now

[cunning wyvern]

The model is still fucking wild

also fuck triple medium, all I see

[royal pier]

Here's a "fun" collection of people being able to shoot once being winched, or shooting far too early once winched.

[royal pier]

From one day of playing, btw.

[signal talon]

what's a sword?

[royal pier]

Also forgot to clip one or two.

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[restive plover]

Divine intervention against sinful winch players. 🙏

[weak imp]

winch sledge has tarnished the winch hook name

[restive plover]

Other way around.

It's winch that's stupid and tarnished sledge by making it play so brainless.

[royal pier]

You'd complain about them using Charge, too.

Or Goo Gun.

[restive plover]

Because charge is also unbalanced. Goo gun is kinda annoying sometimes but otherwise totally fine.

[vale obsidian]

charge still do 130 on first hit btw

[royal pier]

Sounds like you're only fine with Sledgehammer/Heavy when it's ineffective.

[restive plover]

Winch and charge have problems that extend far beyond sledge heavies.

They're both stupid "press q to get kill" abilities and work with just about everything heavy has. Sledge is just another option.

[royal pier]

So, Light gets to have the Double Barrel and Dagger that instantly/functionally instantly kills anything, has Stun to make it easier, and has Dash.

Is that fine? Or is only Light allowed short range quick kills?

[restive plover]

Winch mgl is an exception because then you just explode yourself.

[royal pier]

Yeah that clip I was messing around with the concept. Too janky and unreliable.

Heavy objectively has less mobility than the other two builds. They also have many short range only weapons.

Without ways to close distance/bring them close, they are worthless.

You can shoot someone charging. So, if it did pitiful damage, it would be worthless. If Winch didn't stun, you see the result.

Could charge need a clearer wind up (it has one, but the game is unreliable when it comes to doing the animation), and a more limited turn radius? Yes.

If Light can basically kill Heavy instantly with several weapons, and with a far lower CD, then winch is not imbalanced.

[noble swift]

Yes actually

Light should be effective with all their weapon choices otherwise they bring nothing

[royal pier]

So why must Heavy be ineffective? Why is it fair for Light to instantly kill, but Heavy cannot?

[noble swift]

Because lights have 150 hp

[royal pier]

And Heavy lacks mobility and is inherently slower and larger.

[noble swift]

On top of having no health, they also dont have oh shit buttons or a button that brings back someone from the dead instantly

So next question

[restive plover]

If you are actually putting db/dagger on the same level as winch and charge I'm not really sure what to say to you. Stun should lose the move lock because hard cc is stupid.

Ideally, heavy would be able to close the gap with stuff like mesh shield. Instead embark gave heavy the best mid range weapons in the game because their brains are full of sand.

[royal pier]

What? You can spam dash to escape most situations.

[restive plover]

Unless your opponent can actually aim.

[noble swift]

Last time i checked, it wasnt an instant free kill when a light dashed

[royal pier]

You cannot close the gap with shield. They can literally sprint backwards and shoot it down because Heavy is slower.

[restive plover]

Light is supposed to be the pick class, among other things.

[royal pier]

Because they are the ambush assassin class. If you get caught, you messed up.

[noble swift]

Right, so dont get caught by them

[royal pier]

Ya'll will never be satisfied until Heavy is either a shield monkey, or worthless.

[restive plover]

Yes you can, or at least you could. Right now it's pretty worthless.

[noble swift]

?

[restive plover]

I would like to see heavy fulfill it's role of close range tank without stupid pick abilities.

[noble swift]

How the shit is a panic 130+60 dmg ability on a 10 second cooldown fine?

[royal pier]

What? If you ever let a shield Heavy reach you, that's on you. Especially as a light.

[royal pier]

It's not 10. So you're already lying to make a point.

[noble swift]

Feels like less than 10 actually

[royal pier]

It's not.

[boreal laurel]

Lights have three (or more) get-out-of-jail-free buttons, so…

[restive plover]

It's 12. Don't act like it was some massive exaggeration.

[noble swift]

Sure, how is a fart dash a get out of a jail card?

[boreal laurel]

Umm…you don’t die (if you’re smart with it)

[royal pier]

CD does not start until the end. So if you use the full time, it is 15.

[noble swift]

Breh

[noble swift]

Point still stands regardless

[royal pier]

No, it doesn't.

[noble swift]

Ok buddy

[restive plover]

I see we have chosen to remain in semantic land.

[royal pier]

As I said, they should fix the wind up animation, and cap turn speed.

[boreal laurel]

Ugh…C&S wind-up gets me killed pretty often already

[royal pier]

Lights lost their shit over the đash CD nerf. 2 seconds matters. You lied to make it seem stronger than it is.

[plush fox]

hi

[restive plover]

Dash nerf really wasn't that significant, just annoying. Especially considering it was embark deciding to punch down on an already mediocre ability.

[noble swift]

So youre contradicting yourself now, nice

[royal pier]

Charge does not immediately start dealing damage on activation, there is a delay.

[noble swift]

Make up your mind, dash gets you out of most situation or its not strong

[royal pier]

No? You have 3 charges.

[noble swift]

Which is it broski?

[royal pier]

Never said it wasn't strong. Lie number two.

[noble swift]

"Edited"

[royal pier]

I changed "that" to "then" you lying goober.

[noble swift]

Anyways... point still stands on how charge and slam is a bullshit panic button

[royal pier]

I'm on an elliptical typing as I run.

[royal pier]

Wow. Proven a liar, then says point still stands.

[noble swift]

Oh ik dw, the gaslighter tryna gaslight is having trouble keeping up

[royal pier]

Classic.

Prove what I said wrong. Charge has an activation time.

[noble swift]

?

[royal pier]

It is a 12-15 second CD

[noble swift]

Are you lost? Nobody is debating the activation time

[royal pier]

You are. It's not a panic button if it isn't instant.

Dash is instant

[noble swift]

You went on about it on your own
I merely said the cd is 10 seconds, which was incorrect by 2 and youre saying im exaggerating when its not overblown

[royal pier]

If you keep getting close to a heavy you ƙnow has Charge, that's a you issue.

[noble swift]

Whatever helps you sleep better

[noble swift]

Then dont bitch about a light killing you witj a double barrel and then go WAHHH WHY CAN THEY DO THAT AND NOT ME

[royal pier]

I didn't complain. I asked why it's OK for Light, and not Heavy

Lie number three.

So many here refuse to learn how to argue with the points made. They'd rather create a strawman that said something they didn't actually say.

[noble swift]

You did a strawman when I said 10 instead of 12

What are you on about??

[royal pier]

So mediocre that almost every Light uses it. Wild statement.

I won't argue that Light's health is a hindrance, but the fact remains that they are intended to be an ambush focused glass cannon.

Don't play the glass cannon if you don't want to be made of glass. The 1887, FAMAS, and several other weapons can kill Light faster than the time the winch sledgehammer combo takes.

I could take a LMG/Deagles and have more range, and kill faster than winch sledgehammer.

[royal pier]

That's not a strawman. Learn what that term means.

You said a factually incorrect number, and I corrected it. I also added that it doesn't start recharging until it ends, and can last 3 seconds.

[neat narwhal]

hey heres something that im sure has been recommeneded before

Why and how the fuck isn't there different cross hairs PER gun

[royal pier]

You said I complained about something I didn't. You said I edited something out that I didn't, I fixed "that" to "than" because I was typing while running.

Also, gaslighting is trying to convince someone that they said something they didn't, or that they're imagining something that is actually happening.

So you misused that one, too.

[restive plover]

It gets exponentially worse as your opponents get better and learn to track. A ton of people run light just for kicks, but actually decent lights use cloak because of how much better it is for keeping you alive.

And again, sledge is not the problem in winch sledge. Winch also synergizes incredibly well with the sa1216, which kills lights very quickly and is just generally heavy's best gun. But really you can run anything with it.

[royal pier]

You can make your crosshair pretty customized to w/e you want now. It's not Valorant level, but it's fine.

What we could use is the ability to save different kinds.

[royal pier]

What? I love when light uses Cloak. It's so worthless. You can set your graphics in a way that makes it very easy to see.

The ability to mash Dash and run away is so much more useful for both offense and defense.

If you're fast enough, you can even avoid the followup quick melee after the first sledgehammer swing. Sever dependent, but everything is.

[restive plover]

Dash just gets shut down very easily. Cloak has its own issues because partial invisibility, but it is far and away better. You can set up in positions that would be suicidal to try and take as a dash light.

This is contingent on knowing that moving cloaked is always a terrible idea and the mantle tech, but still.

[royal pier]

Set up positions? So what do you do when it's the final round and you die and have to respawn? You die again.

I can't even remember the last time I lost to a Cloak Light in the final round, let alone seen one in the final round.

Obviously, my personal experience isn't universal, but I feel like this holds true to most in this case.

[restive plover]

Wrong verbiage I suppose. "Take space" would be more accurate.

[royal pier]

So much easier to hit someone that can't suddenly zip right through me or 90 degrees to the side.

I guess LH1/Sniper makes ok use, but they also suck in the final round.

[restive plover]

Lh1 is one of light's top weapons lmao.

It's been like that since forever.

[royal pier]

If I lose to a team with a Light in the final round, it's to a dash light with M11, DB, or Sword.

[desert falcon]

I can’t figure out how to use it very well but that’s probably just me

[royal pier]

Except it can be hard countered in the final round by someone using a goo nade/barricade/body blocking.

Range can get you to the finals, gl winning with it.

[royal pier]

Oh or the pistol. If they can land headshots, beeg dmg.

[desert falcon]

That’s why you have teammates, so they can make space and clear obstacles for you to get good angles as well as being able to finish off the enemies you get low

[restive plover]

This visual recoil is still kind of annoying after all this time but that's the main hurdle.

Headshots are very rewarding due to the 2x multiplier, and be mindful that both the in air and hipfire spreads are very bad.

[desert falcon]

I’m so used to the pike that I expect the lh1 to be similar but ig not, thanks

[boreal laurel]

Visual recoil is my big problem with it too. Still it’s pretty solid even in my clumsy hands

[royal pier]

Or you use Dash and just rush them with a M11/DB and kill them.

[desert falcon]

But that’s boring

[restive plover]

Or get killed instantly because you are in range of both heavy and medium's "fuck you die" options for light.

[boreal laurel]

Yay, someone else sees M11 as an actual threat

[royal pier]

The main game mode is just inherently hostile to Light. It is an ambush class that has to deal with a 3v3 at the end, and a good team stays close enough for that damage to not be an issue.

[desert falcon]

People don’t? The m11 sucks to fight against when it’s in the right hands

[boreal laurel]

Go look at the feedback channel 😄

[royal pier]

Oh, it's insane. If Light didn't have 150hp, it would be the most busted thing in the game.

[desert falcon]

Literally just scrolled for like 2 seconds and I see what you mean lol

[boreal laurel]

IKR, not that I really want the thing gutted but it’s more dangerous than it looks

[cyan sequoia]

what’s the best load out for aggressive medium

[unborn crag]

the model

[cyan sequoia]

what does that mean

[restive plover]

Model + demat, double movement or frags and jump pad.

[vale obsidian]

model

[cyan sequoia]

what does model mean i’m lowk new to the game

[unborn crag]

all you really need is the model

[restive plover]

The model 1887, currently top 1 gun on medium. Basically any "best" loadout for medium is going to include it.

[cyan sequoia]

oh

[vale obsidian]

gose hard
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1299209361549299794/12131387_97486-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[restive plover]

All it needed was a damage nerf. But you know they're not going to restore the range so when they get around to that it's just going to be dogshit.

All without even considering what other half measures come out in between.

[unborn crag]

the gun still has so much range to it

[restive plover]

Not really.

[unborn crag]

yes really tf

[restive plover]

No. About the same as the m26. The range nerf was very significant but it just doesn't matter because that's not why the model is broken.

[vale obsidian]

the range nerf don't really matter when you play up close and personal anyways

[restive plover]

Yeah exactly.

[vale obsidian]

like how you should when using a shotgun btw lmao

[restive plover]

But that's not what medium should be doing. 🗿

[vale obsidian]

ItS a SuPpOrT cLaSs!!! lol

[restive plover]

Yes exactly.

That's literally it.

[unborn crag]

https://imgur.com/Tvo7dJa

[restive plover]

Embed failure

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[unborn crag]

i dont even know what that mean

[restive plover]

It means embed failure.

[vale obsidian]

this is what Embed failure mean and a halfs

[unborn crag]

omg now i magically know omg

[restive plover]

My words are powerful and informative.

[unborn crag]

what

[vale obsidian]

it actually is lol

[unborn crag]

could you actually explain

[vale obsidian]

when i tell you that your msg (the blue link thingy) is an embed failure, that blue link thingy IS! an embed failing

[unborn crag]

ok so how do i fix it

[vale obsidian]

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[vale obsidian]

that

[unborn crag]

ok thank you

[unborn crag]

also btw it stops doing damage past 20m so yes it does have range

[vale obsidian]

?

[unborn crag]

you are wrong nama

[vale obsidian]

you meant to reply to this msg?

[unborn crag]

no i didn't i did it on purpose because it was most recent

[vale obsidian]

well the range nerf didn't do much imo

[languid crag]

m1911 for medium

[unborn crag]

yes that is what we are talking about

[crude sage]

R6 knockoff

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

game is not even anything close to r6

its like saying r6 is a doom clone like wtf

[royal pier]

Can't wait to see a post complaining about sledgehammer after beating that team that insisted on being directly on top of each other all match.

Maybe...stop doing that?

Also, slow its ADS speed slightly and don't give the accuracy until fully aimed like the KS-23.

[vale obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985293197238497330/1021529249628291102/image0-1.gif

[vale obsidian]

skill issue department lmao

[sharp reef]

Probably best model rework solution without really nerfing it's real potential. Just requires to stop looking like a crack addict with a shotgun for a split second

[languid crag]

polaroid camera for tazer

[celest silo]

This wouldn’t fix any issues with the gun Unforch

[plain wasp]

Um one of the issues is that they can run and jump around at full speed between shots while still being perfectly accurate with no downtime to ads

[celest silo]

Tru but this change would not affect the gun in any meaningful way and would still allow medium to be 1 shot on engage by a double med team

[restive plover]

That's not really an issue though, that's largely just how shotguns are in this game.

[torn adder]

Hammer superior

[ashen hawk]

buff ks23, currently getting cooked by the model

[torn adder]

I love the KS23. It’s not forgiving if you miss a shot 😭

The model is amazing in the right hands. It will shred me in almost every fight I have up close

[drowsy pasture]

I never liked how your spread would get tighter when you ads when using shotguns in games

Doesn't make any sense

I think all shotguns should have a minimum consistent damage

[shut bane]

Lights won’t like that

[drowsy pasture]

For example if you're in effective range and you somehow only hit one pellet I think instead of it doing the one pellet damage it should do a minimum different damage so it doesn't seem like you're tickling them

This would apply to all shotguns except the ks

[shut bane]

That would make them too forgiving imo

It really depends what you’d want the minimum damage to be but I can already imagine just how insane something like the double barrel would be with its spread and damage

[drowsy pasture]

That is true

[vapid frost]

A scythe for light that has some sort of "kill to heal" mechanic? Tho I guess it may defeat the purpose of light, since it means prolonged fights instead of in and out fights.

It’s cool anyway

[restive plover]

Close enough, welcome back Crossbreed Priscilla.

[iron ember]

Just seein this now, thanks! Ima try it out!

[drowsy pasture]

Good aim can also stop the lights

[marble heath]

Fein

[regal canopy]

MAKE A THROWING KNIFE SKIN THATS JUST BRICKS!!

[dusky gyro]

we need dorito skin for the knifes and a big baguette for the bow

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[timber idol]

im a riot shield main btw

[upper flax]

I'm missing that freaking inspect animation myself

[drifting pine]

need the ugly green hair then im done

[shut bane]

Buy it

[timber idol]

waste of money

i might buy it if im unlucky and dont get it by the end of the event

but i will be patient

[covert parcel]

ive rolled every ticket and i only have 17

[shut bane]

For most people to be at around 16-20 without spending, it’s a really good ratio tbh

[boreal laurel]

Me too 🥲 (and seriously who plays 93R?)

[unborn crag]

https://i.imgur.com/Tvo7dJa.mp4 im trying to see if it imbeds because -r won't work

i guess I'm not level 3 yet

[vale obsidian]

@unborn crag -r didn't work cus you need to type -r first try, edit it won't work

[unborn crag]

i did that then edited like twice after

[astral cedar]

I got 18 just the other day 🙏surely we make it

[golden bobcat]

#EmeraldSledgehammer

[green cliff]

haha

[pallid stirrup]

#EmeraldSledgehammer

[languid crag]

hk usp for medium

[pallid stirrup]

🧀

[green cliff]

@astral cedar

[copper loom]

ok so ive been running a cloak + db + stun gun build on light for awhile now, and i bought the m26 shotgun
i used it in practice mode a bit before i got off, but i want to know your guys thoughts on the gun

seems better than the db to me because of more ammo and range and still having good damage (121)

[shut bane]

I still think the db is still better but the mass is much more forgiving with the mag size

[odd slate]

Pyro mine or gas mine? For higher damage at a fast rate.

[shut bane]

Gas mine will deal more damage over time I believe but the pyro mine does a little more once stepped on

Maybe pyro if you want raw damage quick though at that point I’d go regular mine if available

[astral cedar]

Only one class has access to each option here 😭

pyro mine is the best mine in the game since explosive lost its 2 cap

gas mine isn’t bad, personally I’d go with gas without demat and explosive with demat

[odd slate]

I play all of the clases randomly, despite light being my main. Heavy when the team has two mediums, medium when there are two lights, and light when there are two heavy or one heavy and one medium.

[odd slate]

I’ve seen the damage to gas mines, though the problem for me with both mines they trigger at random times when enemy gets too close and it ends damaging my own teammates.

[astral cedar]

Just gotta place them further away or get smarter teammates 😭I haven’t had issues with that very often

Not if you take gateway at least right

[odd slate]

Nah not getaway, don’t have time to stop and throw. Grappling hook, goo grenade, pyro and gas grenade.

Been running with loadout from the start, still works likes a charm. Though the goo grenade and pyro is a bad mix in tight spaces but helps defending your cashout.

The reason I do that cuz those two big guns take the fight outside while I’m on the run with the cashbox.

If you’re lucky enough to find really good heavy players then they’ll keep the fight at the door while you cashout.

[astral cedar]

That type 😭

If it’s all about putting it in first might as well take the other cash box too and be a real menace

[odd slate]

That i do 🗿unless they spawn you across the map for no reason.

[languid crag]

dragons breath spas 12 for medium

[feral ibex]

does the aps delete the breach charge or the thermal bore?

[compact gulch]

buff the dagger, w/o dashes it completely useless rn, charging right button is too long (LONGER THAN EVEN SWORD FOR LIKE A SECOND) and you cant run anymore when charging right button (cant trickstab anymore when i liked it so much 😭 ). i have over 1200+ hours in this game and like 700 hours of it i played with dagger, EMBARK PLS DO SOMETHING, in current meta dagger doesnt have any place, in current state dagger dont have any competitive appliance, i dont see ANY dagger players on high elo cus EVERY FREACKING THING IS COUNTERING IT AND THIS WEAPON RIGHT NOW IS TOO UNCOMFORTABLE IN USE.

[fleet brook]

Breach

[fleet brook]

Tbf some things just don't get to exist in high elo like melee heavy for the longest time and it popped up because of winch

[cunning kettle]

preach 🙏

cloak dagger got gutted after they made it holdable

they should just make it like tks where you can tap do the animation or hold down the button to hold the stab

[restive plover]

Winch for the win

[vapid frost]

I think they just have to add the option to right click like before while being able to hold it

I'm also a dagger main and, even tho it is kinda selfish, I love the skill expression/ceiling of the dagger and feel like any further buffs will just make it not as fun.

[feral ibex]

so when do we think we gettin a thermal vision rework chat

[prisma copper]

buh

[languid crag]

a thermal scope for the pike or the bolt action sniper would be cool

[restive plover]

yummers

[spring oasis]

Clean looking skin

[hasty harbor]

You can do that with winch? Game changer

[restive plover]

That's how I grinded the last 5.

Though I do think you need to winch the stealer not the chashout station

[frank juniper]

Imagining a healing dart gun for the light (and in general giving some support type gadgets to them)

[restive plover]

Would be awesome. Light is too solo focused

[fleet brook]

Light already has a decent support gadgetry

[frank juniper]

Well imagine more lol

[boreal laurel]

I feel like what support light can offer is pretty niche:

• Stun gun helps to stop steals, which is team value, but that’s about it
• Gateway has massive potential but requires a lot of skill to make it work well
• Vanish bomb is a good idea but most meds and heavies don’t use it well

So sonars are about the best help a light can give his team. Not to say a good light can’t be useful, but it’s not easy

[prisma copper]

tbh

[spark igloo]

2nd best light weapon behind lh1

[spark igloo]

lights support is provided more in being able to assist your team with damage imo

gateway and stun are two of the best support gadgets in the game as well I wouldnt call them niche

[reef sparrow]

guys should i grind for gateway

[crystal garnet]

Shotguns are 100% gonna get nerfed this next season

[soft shale]

LMH/LMM teams can work very well. A smart Light player can do wonders if the other two are able to deal some damage, put pressure, draw fire and attention away from him. Gateway, Stun, Vanish Bomb or Sonars/Tracking Darts can be very strong tools for the team if used right.

I believe we are closer than ever to a LMH meta. Medium needs to be toned down for that to happen.

[spark igloo]

Realistically HML is already the best comp in the game it's just the hardest of the meta comps

MML can work pretty well but it's kinda just crippled HML with all the HML issues and none of the H benefits

Like and MMM and HML hybrid with some of the issues of both and some of the benefits of both

[soft shale]

Yes, because any mistake is punishing, as the team only has one player with heal/defibs.

More Mediums = more room for mistakes and/or suicide runs into enemy teams since you can always defib your way out of a bad fight.

[spark igloo]

watching in horror as I take my eye off the MMM body for 0.5 seconds and their entire team is back up

[soft shale]

Exactly.

[covert parcel]

me watching the umpteenth model 3 stack tbag and alien emote

theyre all using the wrangler skin + witch hat

[spark igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1304095302269014016/togif-2.gif

[soft shale]

HB nerf hurt all team comps but MMM the most.

[spark igloo]

hb?

[reef sparrow]

i barely see any lights running pyro grenades

[soft shale]

The more Mediums, the less the HB nerf hurts

[covert parcel]

Model Balancing

• up close 1/2/3 L/M/H is main issue
• medium is defined as mid range combat
• specifically lights are being pushed further out of the meta with burst primary weapon damage
• ideal balance is 109 or below to keep CQB weapon presure but keep mediums mid range combat allowed

_ _

Nerfs spread, keeps damage
ok embark make it make sense

[spark igloo]

oh heal beam

[reef sparrow]

are they that bad

[spark igloo]

yeah heal beam nerfs affect MMM the least because you just have 2-3 heal beams no matter what LOL

[soft shale]

Pyro grenades do 15 on impact and then more if the target stays in the AoE

[covert parcel]

stun gun + (unique light util (not thermal)) + (not thermal)

[soft shale]

Frags do 149 tops... However I've been using Pyros more recently as they can be great for quick area denial

[covert parcel]

wait what was yalls OB/S1 loadout

[soft shale]

But I'm using them for my Medium loadout

[soft shale]

I was a Heavy main in S1. CnS/M60/RPG/C4/Dome

[covert parcel]

Medium

• Recon
• CL40
• Gas Nade, Gas Mine, Defib

noone could steal with triple gas, + 2 on CD**, + gas barrels

[spark igloo]

my S1 was Heal/Model (I used it when it was considered off meta)/Defib/Pad/Goo grenade

[soft shale]

C4 has been gutted into oblivion at the same time Demat was introduced due to nukes. They nerfed it further to 1 ammo count as if anybody used it anymore LMAO.

[covert parcel]

jail time

[spark igloo]

jail time would be if I used fcar

[covert parcel]

is there a Beyond Scared Straight for The Finals contestants, for using that?

[spark igloo]

I wouldnt say gutted. It's still a top 3 heavy gadget in comp

[soft shale]

I don't understand why you would even run C4 right now. 1 ammo count, long CD, low damage, and there are better options out there to destroy the map if need be.

[soft shale]

I'd have to see how these players use it.

[spark igloo]

its mostly used for objective denial; like putting it on points to stop steals via dropping or instakilling with rpg combos

[soft shale]

Again there are better options out there IMO.

[spark igloo]

its really important because you dont have to actively be on an objective to prevent steals

which is huge

[soft shale]

The vast majority of players don't use it though.

[spark igloo]

oh yeah it's definitely just whatever if you arent tryharding

[soft shale]

I don't even run RPG in my active loadout anymore so

[spark igloo]

1 tap traps with mines and rpg combos still see use outside ranked tho

[covert parcel]

how do you forward a message

[spark igloo]

you might not have it idk how discord rolls out features

[spark igloo]

yeah u dont have it yet, you can try looking up if there is a way to enable it

[covert parcel]

ok thanks discord

[soft shale]

100 damage is still great assuming you hit right on target

[spark igloo]

its still hard meta and strong asf but not required which is really cool

[soft shale]

You can delete a player very fast with a RPG hit for sure

[spark igloo]

RIP double rpg eat shit nobody will miss you

[covert parcel]

RPG is still goated

Splash damage is crazy

[soft shale]

I guess that's important in higher ELO

[spark igloo]

Im at the point where I wouldnt mind embark doing seperate balancing for ranked and casual

[soft shale]

I run frags instead and keep the RPG in reserve right now

[spark igloo]

this game differs so much between elo brackets and that cant really be changed without affecting so much in the game

[soft shale]

Frags don't do instantaneous damage, but 149 tops can win fights
You get two
The CD is shorter

[covert parcel]

yeah why is there two frags

[soft shale]

And you can get indirect hits if you bounce them off walls and ceilings

[covert parcel]

and not one, or at least buff gas/pyro nade to 2 charges but weaker

[soft shale]

Because gas/pyro being area denial grenades, it would be hell if you could throw two in a row, I guess

[covert parcel]

frags tho

[soft shale]

I don't think that's an issue tbh

[covert parcel]

minor annoyance is seeing everyone run frags over gas nade / pyro nade

only time i see people grab gas / pyro, its pyro to counter gas mines

you get 2

[soft shale]

yeah but again I run pyro in my Medium loadout right now because it can be a great tool in some situations

[covert parcel]

like why switch off

[soft shale]

better than frags ? maybe not

I also run gas nades in my Light builds to prevent steals

[copper loom]

bet, gonna end these heavy users

[copper loom]

anybody got tips for the m26 tho?

[spark igloo]

its very much a team fight weapon so try to avoid 1 on 1s whenever possible

its good with all 3 specs so you're free to choose whichever fits your playstyle best

go for quick melees, it has a qm breakpoint on light and medium

you can 1 tap lights like its model with qms

[copper loom]

okie thx

[spring oasis]

can we get an SA1216 skin that looks like a toy train

[drowsy pasture]

No

[royal pier]

Spear gives oddly low combat score.

[dull coyote]

Nerf throwing knives

[languid crag]

exactly

[charred snow]

The akimbo deagls are so good right now. They do crazy headshot damage and have a really good hip fire. Like you’d rather hipfire than ads up close. Also their high magazine size is good. Definitely works well with charge and slam

[noble tide]

what’s the light meta rn

[vale obsidian]

yes

[iron zenith]

theres different playstyles to light that are meta rn it really depends on ur playstyle tbh

[noble tide]

rn i’m running cloak, sawed off, taser, pyro/smoke and breaches if it’s any help

[median oak]

84589204147

[languid crag]

ngl an auto M4A1 with a mini shield for medium would be cool

[weak kernel]

what i often hear is cloak, m14, gateway, stun gun, and breaches. Gateway is probably light's best gadget and is almost always worth taking no matter what you like playing. M14, M11, bolt shotgun, and sawed off are all considered solid weapons

I swear by goo nade over stun gun and enjoy grapple too much to drop it but that's mostly just for fun's sake

[fleet brook]

I think people forget that that good headshot damage is a trade-off for shitty body shot damage

[dull coyote]

I’m not even joking dude. I had like 3 matches in a row with light plays just spamming throwing knives. It does crazy dmg and the fact it has no cooldown is wild. It even shreds tanks sometimes🤦🏽‍♀️

[molten ingot]

1. I believe that the ks-23 needs a slight improvement in performance. First of all, I think. that it is worth increasing the damage from the shot to 105 (at the moment the damage is 100). Now let's do the math: let's take the damage per shot equal to 105 and the butt hit equal to 40, the total will be 145. Therefore, light will not die from one single shot + butt blow. A different situation will happen with the medium. The damage for two shots is 105x2= 210. Then 210 + 40 hit damage = 250. Therefore, after two shots, we will be able to finish off the medium with one blow. Now heavy 105 x 3 = 315 damage for three shots. So 315 + 40 = 355. Heavy will also die from a single blow. The weapon has few bullets and the cost of a miss is very high. In battle, you often have to reload your weapon. With this damage (105), the weapon will not become stronger in a normal firefight because the number of shots required to kill will remain the same. However, we will be able to fight more effectively by use a butt kick.
2. I think that it is necessary to give the KS-23 increased damage to the head like the rest of the weapons. It is not so easy to get into the head shooting from a KS-23, especially to hit the head of a light. And accurate shooting should be rewarded somehow. Moreover, not every shot will fly exactly to the head due to the peculiarities of the ballistics of the KS-23 (the bullet is very slow)
3. Change the reload animation. If you have not emptied the entire magazine, then you will insert one cartridge at a time until the weapon is fully charged. It's very slow. But only when you have a completely empty magazine (0/6), then you will insert two cartridges at once, and very quickly. The medium weapon Model 1887 can be loaded with two bullets when you have reached 3/6 or 1/6 bullets in the magazine. I think. that the KS-23 needs the same mechanics.

[molten ingot]

I played with 93r yesterday and it almost didn't disappoint me. I haven't taken the 93r since this weapon was added to the game. I felt that the developers had improved this weapon. But it really annoys me to constantly click the mouse button to shoot. I want the developers to make sure that 93r and famas do not require constant mouse clicks. It will be enough to hold down the left mouse button and the weapon will shoot itself (like AK or scar). The burst will remain, but it will become more convenient to shoot

[lean lily]

what would yall say is the best weapon in the game

[fleet brook]

Class dependent

[leaden lichen]

help akm or fca

[restive plover]

Whichever one you like the most. The famas is better than both.

[leaden lichen]

damn how

does it deal more dmg

[restive plover]

Better time to kill, better range, highest damage per mag, and excellent hipfire.

[leaden lichen]

wow thx didnt know

[thin thistle]

whats the current meta for mediums?

[tropic gazelle]

the cl i think

[lucid thicket]

I'd say model1887 and fcar, up to you (ak is also quite solid, just not as much as fcar imo)

[tropic gazelle]

really?

[restive plover]

Model, heal beam, defibs, jump pad. Third slot is dependent.

[restive plover]

Famas is the best ar at present.

[tropic gazelle]

jump pad better than zipline?

[restive plover]

Absolutely.

[lucid thicket]

I'd argue it's kind of a tie between the fcar and famas

[thin thistle]

i come back from the dogshit that was late mid/end of S2 and come back to WORSE?!

[lucid thicket]

Heal beam is WAY weaker than it was in season 2

[restive plover]

Not at all. Famas is better at everything, the only reason to not run it is not liking burst fire.

[thin thistle]

true S2 heal beam meta was proper dogshit and im glad its over but wtf do you mean we’re in a model meta

[restive plover]

And heal is weaker but it's still the only healing source, so top tier regardless.

[hazy pivot]

about the jump pad and zipline

i think zipline is better, prevents fails and missplays once put down

[restive plover]

Model has been meta for a looooong time. Just was obscured by no ranked cash out in season three.

[thin thistle]

yea but model being meta over ak or fcar is just… odd.

[restive plover]

A support medium isn't supposed to be strong up close and the model lets them be anyhow.

Genuinely game breaking design, just like lewis and deagles on heavy.

[lucid thicket]

lewis and deagle are balanced I think, they're not gamebreaking

for season 5 I'd love to have a high fire rate ar for medium, like an AS-VAL or somthing

[restive plover]

No lol. Giving heavy consistent midrange options means they get to dominate every range through sheer force of health. Once model no longer shreds them into pieces we're going right back to HHM being hard meta again.

[thin thistle]

there are no words in the history of the english dictionary that scare me more than HHM

[lucid thicket]

The only gamebreaking gadget heavy has is the whinch claw, there is reliable counter expect the stun gun on light

[lucid thicket]

doubt it will come back, healing beam can't provide enough heal for long enough on 2 heavies

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/howard-hamlin-better-call-saul-howar-hamlini-howardsus-gif-25568404

[restive plover]

It will be worse than old HHM, but heavy will still be the best class. Their only deficiency being movement, which medium still provides plenty of.

[glossy comet]

I love soda

[floral jewel]

I need crowbar weapon/skin

[restive plover]

It was just as stupid.

"This class has the most stuff so pick more of it" is stupid.

[tulip grove]

they're just gonna give that to Sword again

[restive plover]

I would say sledge is more fitting but sledge already has the Comically Large Wrench.

[vapid frost]

Candy cane skin for the sword

Next month

[restive plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777572955654979608/1299756036890296501/caption.gif

[pallid stirrup]

frag grenade mad overrated, only good in world tour, ranked, terminal attack, powershift, bank-it, quickcash, and 1v1s

[floral jewel]

The Light in power shift watching me throw my 87th Pyro grenade

[placid needle]

is pike any good for medium or is Famas better also what is the best loadout as far as equipment goes?i ussally just go all nades. i usually only play Powerslide and quick cash..

[tardy night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stress-stressed-meow-cat-meme-gif-5468883667347130682

[young lava]

Triple spear (ran it and actually worked)

[marble heath]

Fein

[boreal laurel]

When I match with an LLL team, I pull out my goo gun+flamethrower build just to grief them 😈

[proper iron]

The flamethrower is very OP!!! 😢

[boreal laurel]

Ehh…against lights maybe, but almost literally any heavy weapon will beat it 1v1

[proper iron]

Yes, the flamethrower is killing me very fast 😄 I'm getting out for 2 seconds if i play vs framethrower

[ripe kite]

Well then don't go close to it. You know you can shoot from afar right?

[languid crag]

i just had to beat up my pillow

[proper iron]

Yes, but when i go invisible i want to kill them from close range lololololol 😄

[restive plover]

Even light can just stand there and win a ttk race against it depending on weapon choice(charge n slam nonwithstanding.)

Just a very bad weapon.

[boreal laurel]

Still fun though, most lights just stand still and get roasted 💪

[languid crag]

why tf do lights always go after me

[ripe kite]

Well if you want to sneak up on them you completely deserve to be burnt. Any light that uses cloak + stun deserves to be burnt alive

[proper iron]

ahahahahahahaahah

[languid crag]

i hate lights that use cloak and stun

[proper iron]

we don't deserve to be burnt 😄 leave us a chance 😭

[languid crag]

another ragebaiter

[ripe kite]

If someone invis+stuns me, then it gets personal. Imma leave the objective and melt your ass down

[languid crag]

i think heavy needs an AR maybe an M4A1 for heavy with an acog would be good for heavy

[languid crag]

yeah if i see that person using invis or stun im gonna hunt them

cuz i hate stun users they are so scummy

[ripe kite]

Heavy needs a flail man

[languid crag]

the spear is just a better flail

[proper iron]

i don't use stun >.<

only m11 'n cloak

[languid crag]

m11 and cloak is scummy still

[proper iron]

😁 thats my fav combo + in the heavy's back

[restive plover]

No.

[languid crag]

i did not ask for opinion

piss off lad

[drowsy pasture]

No

[shut bane]

Embark likes adding weapons that generally aren’t the most reliable and or are limiting in capability in real life but act as cool concepts for a virtual game show

[drowsy pasture]

That is just false

[shut bane]

Well, i thought so with the additions of the m26 mass, famas and ks

Even the deagles which can be pieces of shit in real life

[drowsy pasture]

Are you saying the famas is shit?

[shut bane]

In game?

[drowsy pasture]

Irl

[shut bane]

Not shit but known to have reliability issues yes

[drowsy pasture]

Like yeah deagles are shit irl but adding famas on the same level if shit as the deagles isn't it

Could there be better? Yeah of course

[shut bane]

Never compared both of them, just deagles

[drowsy pasture]

I don't like deagles

[shut bane]

My point is only that they’re not the most reliable in real life, KS is but it’s limiting with its size

[drowsy pasture]

The worst people ever are people who prefer 357 over 50 ae in a deagle

[languid crag]

tazer is so bs its unfair

[drowsy pasture]

Skill issue

[languid crag]

ragebaiter

[drowsy pasture]

Nah

[languid crag]

yuh uh

[drowsy pasture]

Just kill the light

[languid crag]

its not that easy when they have the m11 or mp5 cuz they mow down health

[unique parcel]

m11 since day 1 ❤️

[shut bane]

Isn’t the real life range of a taser like 7 meters

[unique parcel]

tazer m11 with dash invis and emp-nades

That's my daily driver atleast, and it's so fun

[plain wasp]

3/5 incorrect names is crazy

That's stun vanish and glitch

[tulip grove]

How about you be a real man and pick a grappling hook.

Every hero should have a grappling hook.

[restive plover]

Yeah but light's health is so low they don't win a straight fight even with that. If they sell the first shot with stun gun, you should win.

[uncut fox]

i dont know where to put this but we need gun scopes to match the gun skin 😦

[languid crag]

yeah i agree

[safe cypress]

fr like cmon the sticky situation revolver with the red dot is ugly af 😭

[uncut fox]

Nama Tama's Son Has Entered Chat

[hardy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-zipper-spider-zipper-spider-zip-broken-gif-15684514

[restive plover]

What should my first purchase for light class be?

[tulip grove]

That's gonna require some additional effort, but I think if they do it ASAP they probably can pull it off.

They probably won't tho

[tulip grove]

Vanish bomb? Helps you pick up dash or grapple while having part of the benefit of Cloak and also being able to cloak teammates.

It's not a must have but really useful at disengaging.

If you want to be really annoying, you can pick up Stun Gun. Great at immobilising people who are caught off-guard by it, also denies any ongoing action of theirs like holding a carriable, reviving and stealing.

[restive plover]

oh thats a really good shout

[tulip grove]

Just know that they can still shoot at you, so you'll need to account for what weapon they're using.

Stun Gun doesn't guarantee a kill, it's just a very potent gadget.

Another unlock you could pick up is either of the recon gadgets. In any fast-paced shooter, information is king.

[fresh wagon]

just wanted to put this somewhere, i think glitch grenade should be reworked to function like the concussion nades from team fortress :) real ones kno

[novel goblet]

When was that video taken?!?!

[bitter surge]

Do you think frag grenade is an S tier gadget ?

Two charges and each deal 149 max..

[hallow leaf]

goo is s tier

[bitter surge]

Stun gun probably

[red dove]

does heal beam stack

[violet bay]

Yes

[violet bay]

m11

[tired minnow]

V95 keeps killing me

[hallow leaf]

V9S not 5

[tired minnow]

Oh ok

[restive summit]

I want the p90

[zenith nova]

fcar s tier all other guns are mid

[prisma copper]

⁉️

[plain wasp]

No no, 93r s tier all the rest in f

[hallow leaf]

Then the dual blades must be ss tier

[dusk lynx]

nah

there ok

[plain wasp]

Erm wrong there

[dusk lynx]

the dual blades are not the best and not the worst

[hallow leaf]

They are easily the worst weapons in the game

[dusk lynx]

but hey there just opinions

i think the model 1887 is s teir

i avarage 10000 combat score on a bad day with it

[coral root]

Need a Nickel plated virtual extension skin for the 93R

[hallow leaf]

@dusk lynx the posts were sarcasm

[plain wasp]

I actually have been using my fists alone and average 30 kills per game

69k combat score too

[thin scaffold]

Can confirm, it’s true

[placid needle]

What’s the best loadout for medium as far as equipment goes in general. And especially for power slide.

[modern gull]

i just want a scope on 93r and a little faster fire rate ❤️‍🔥

[boreal laurel]

Heal beam, glitch mine, jump pad, APS, and your choice of weapon

[desert falcon]

Double barrel on light is lowkey hella fun

Against other lights

[shut bane]

It’s good in general even against heavies, it’s damage output is enough to 2 tap them so one reload in between isn’t really that much if you can stay evasive

I think it works much better with dash than cloak nowadays

[desert falcon]

I like it with cloak

[fleet brook]

Grapple>

[wide onyx]

I've noticed a interaction between the jump pad and RPG. I'd upload a video if I could but I cant.

If you shoot the RPG over a jump pad, so it passes over it in the air, it will usually bounce off whatever terrain it hits

[long swan]

Momentum Balls: A throwable weapon that has the same or altered physics of the grenade. Basically the contestant will have 4 starter balls that they are able to throw. The farther you throw the more damage it does. I also think this is REALLY easy to balance. To many balls to throw? Decrease it. It dominates mid range? Make it long range. Too easy or too hard to hit shots? Change projectile size. I see it being a nightmare for light class to have maybe?? It probably overthrows the throwing knives but... PLEASE GIVE OPINIONS I HAD THIS IDEA FOR WEEKS

[jade violet]

season4 almost end

[cunning kettle]

thank god

[pallid stirrup]

which gun is this

[topaz osprey]

XP-54

[cunning kettle]

m11

[vale obsidian]

m60

[long swan]

Best season yet wdym

I'm saying this as glazer tho ngl BC I love this game. But why don't U like it?

[cunning kettle]

i like the season but i need more content

[long swan]

Momentum Balls: A throwable weapon that has the same or altered physics of the grenade. Basically the contestant will have 4 starter balls that they are able to throw. The farther you throw the more damage it does. I also think this is REALLY easy to balance. To many balls to throw? Decrease it. It dominates mid range? Make it long range. Too easy or too hard to hit shots? Change projectile size. I see it being a nightmare for light class to have maybe?? It probably overthrows the throwing knives but... PLEASE GIVE OPINIONS I HAD THIS IDEA FOR WEEKS

[ashen charm]

xp54

[vale obsidian]

dose the ball have a blast range? if you need to hit direct hit on such a faar range it just be useless and utterly just luck base

[ashen charm]

we need a healing gadget

[vale obsidian]

healing need to be limited, it just won't make fighting feel as rewarding and take away some aspect of tacticalness

[jade violet]

blunderbuss

[ashen charm]

or something like a imortality feild from overwatch

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

even worst

[ashen charm]

like for 3 seconds or smthing

[vale obsidian]

imortality should never be in any pvp game ever

what ever counter point you have just nah uh just not

everyone should be killable, thats what make a SHOOTER Game fun (you get to kill people)

[pallid stirrup]

What are you tapper

[ashen charm]

ow 2 haha

[crisp heart]

in a game like the finals where everyone can stack the same skill? sure
in a game where stacking is impossible in a normal match? temporary immortality is fine. a lot of games made it work

[vale obsidian]

i was going to type something but update here hold up

nvm just some skin

[vale obsidian]

my point of "imortality should never be in any pvp game ever" is not bc it never work, but rather it just rob kills form other player just bc this smuck press basically a "win button" on a guy at the correct time

[hexed flame]

i just want the dome shield to last long enough for a steal/revive..

[vale obsidian]

it never been the problem before yet they nerf it burh

[hexed flame]

whoever's in charge of weapon/gadget balancing must be drunk on the job

[slim crest]

Here to see if people still think sword is op

[cosmic oriole]

This ruler as a dagger skin would go crazy

[hexed flame]

barely any difference made, we still see them around. 👍

[vale obsidian]

only the noob think that :P

[hallow leaf]

That's nothing, they keep nerfing goo for some reason

[slim crest]

Real as real can be, so true

[hallow leaf]

We have a pencil ✏️ skin for it

[cosmic oriole]

Yeah I know

[crisp heart]

that depends on the requirements though, we're not talking finals but usually it has a really tricky gimmick to it.

[hallow leaf]

Have it be throwing knives and it be a snapped in half ruler and the inspect is you breaking the ruler

[cosmic oriole]

You snap the ruler in half to show the knives

[vale obsidian]

i come form overwatch and that game is just press [button] then win

[hallow leaf]

You snap it in half to make the 2 throwing knives

[crisp heart]

because ow is a bad game

[hallow leaf]

Well, it is made by Activision

[vale obsidian]

it have all the potential but get royally fk by it dev

[hallow leaf]

@cosmic oriole what skin we really need is a fucking Molotov skin for pyro

[slim crest]

It's made by Blizzard, who was acquired by Activision in '23

[hallow leaf]

Same thing

[crisp heart]

league of legends (despite not being an fps) plays around with immortality a lot. tf2 made it work by having the support class not being able to attack while casting it.

[slim crest]

There's a difference 👀

[hallow leaf]

The only good blizzard is the og blizzard before Activision got their hands on it

[cosmic oriole]

A molotov that looks like a party popper

[crisp heart]

I don't know if apex and valorant has it though, quitted those the games early

wait, apex technically has an immortality ability with wraith where she becomes invisible and can't see nor attack enemies.

yeah, so immortality usually has a weird gimmick to it in games that has it. and the finals doesn't need it

[idle pulsar]

I have a skin idea mid evil sheild skin with a wooden shield and mabey a bonk thing as the melee weapon. Like a tower shield and morning star or like an axe or hammer 😳 for riot shield

[fleet brook]

Dota

Jesus Christ the accessibility of immortality in dota

[shell sonnet]

could someone give me advice on sensitivity adjustment?

im trying to get non-ads and ads sensitivity to be equal
but no matter what i change, ads is always lower

[fleet brook]

Is there a difference bar/ setting like something that'd say 1.0

[shell sonnet]

thats probably "mouse zoom sensitivity multiplier", right?

[fleet brook]

Yea

[shell sonnet]

like
during zooming, your sensitivity is multiplied by this much

this goes from 0-100%
0 just disables movement during ads
But 100% isnt my non-ads speed, its about 25% less

whats going on?

[fleet brook]

That may be the max

Like a weird rule the game has I personally haven't ran into this

[shell sonnet]

but like
why make it disproportional?

there is 0 upside to make 100% be less than 100%
anybody who wants ads speed lower than non-ads can already do that by making that value less than 100%

thats what its for

meanwhile i cant have my sensitivity be the same for both
and either need to make my non-ads sensitivity too high, so my ads speed can be accurate
or have my non-ads speed be on point, but have my ads speed be too slow

found it, it was the focal length scaling
ty for the help

[cosmic oriole]

is this how you do it?

[shell sonnet]

im not following

[crisp heart]

it's not even the worst of what dota has. if I recall, there's a skill that if you were to get killed by it, it'll extend your respawn time to the point you might as well play a single game of league while waiting to be respawned.

[cosmic oriole]

i feel like i am doing smth wrong?

[crisp heart]

you might be releasing a bit too early

[fleet brook]

It's an ult

[crisp heart]

we should have that in the finals

just extend a contestant's respawn

[full sky]

you are standing bit far ig

and releasing early

[crisp heart]

what if, the 93r is an akimbo that can't ads, and you have to alternate lmb and rmb in perfect rhythm to get the fastest firerate/dps?

[cosmic oriole]

how do I improve my timing?

[full sky]

turn first then release

[cosmic oriole]

i discovered the backstab technique a few days ago and im struggling a bit on how to use it

i'll figure it out

[full sky]

you are trying to release while dashing

[cosmic oriole]

ill try charge, turn, release

[crisp heart]

https://tenor.com/view/trickstab-trickstabbed-klown-klowntf2-tf2-gif-25525705

[cosmic oriole]

i didnt even know that you could charge knife until like a week ago

[crisp heart]

if only dagger's primary fire deals crits on attacks that hit the back.

[viral lodge]

YEA

[fleet brook]

Farm crit the weapon

But wouldn't that make it mega bursty

[livid pecan]

did they change the data reshaper?

i cant reshape more than one barrel anymore

[vale obsidian]

you saying it have one charge or one charge can only change one item?

[livid pecan]

it targets only one barrel instead of the cluster

[crisp heart]

if charged backstab fails, there's a more aggressive, do or die, plan B that isn't running away or dying.

[fleet brook]

Fair but I feel like that's alot of lights weapons that aren't long range/ smgs

Miss your first shot with the DB and you better pray

[crisp heart]

with the DB? if you fail to hit the 2 shot or 1 shot, you better have good movement.

with the dagger, you miss your opportunity to hit the backstab? welp, too bad. he's now aware of your existence, better find a way to juke him with a bunch of mines and glitches around

[ashen hawk]

@civic basin
good atl ull keep quiet 👍

[restive plover]

Theory is that Breach Charges are great for creating custom mines using barrels & canisters

Explosive, Fire & Gas require two Charges for controlled detonation while Glitch, Goo and Smoke only need one (Tested)

Fire & Gas may use one Charge for controlled detonation after landing from being tossed (Skips canister 'fuse'/delay & saves ammo)

If Goo is thrown (which causes it to activate upon impact) the Breach Charges -> maintain momentum <- & retain re-arm progression from the start of the throw. The Charges land on the ground nearby. Activated Goo may crumble unless there is a strong forward momentum in the throw [If not, the Charges will land underneath the Goo which prevents Goo from attaching to a world surface]

A Smoke canister with a Charge will have it drop straight down. A Goo canister that is -> placed <- with a charge will become a semi-circle of Goo instead of becoming a wall

[meager prism]

season 3's arsenal was predictable. but what the heck are we getting for season 5?

[fleet brook]

This has been a thing heavy did it with c4

[restive plover]

Heavy spawns with 1 C4 and has to regen it after placing, while Light spawns with 3 Charges & has access to movement abilities which assist with setting Charge traps

[fleet brook]

Not roasting just saying it was done before

It was called something but effectively heavy had 2 C4 and would stack the damage of the explosive with a red can

[fleet brook]

Also breach is already a great tool it doesn't need more

It allows light more on demand destruction than heavy

From gadgets*

[restive plover]

Gotcha. Yeah since Heavy has only 1 C4 I started looking at the Breach Charges

[blissful lodge]

s1 nuke

[dry oak]

The average tf2 player will always turn their back to you somehow given the chance, and I'm not sure why

[candid bloom]

anyone knows the best gadgets to counter sword players

[loud merlin]

glitch mine set 🗣️

[noble swift]

Pad, zip line, glitch trap, stun gun, heavy is heavy

Goo can be annoying to play into at times if you simply pop it and get on top of it

[fleet brook]

I'd say lowering the scaling of item on barrel to damage down could be fine

[soft shale]

I figured it's hard to get a proper overview of how players feel about the game through continuous messages in this channel, Reddit topics, or raw data gathered from the game (on Embark side).

I'm curious to get a more synthetic glimpse at what people think, so I built a Google Forms: https://forms.gle/EAMdthHyB2bYgWRFA

The topics are as follows:

• Class/team comp balance
• Simple class per class review of specs, weapons and gadgets
• New cashout rules and respawn logic
• Maps

I didn't want to make it too complicated or deep, but it should give us some insight on what the community thinks.

I've enabled access to the results for any participant. So any of you should be able to see/use/share them.

[fleet brook]

HP doesn't really counter sword just lets you live against it longer won't help if you're bad

[chrome valve]

heavy meta rn? tire of medium finally

[fleet brook]

Instead of sword being an annoying mosquito you've turnt it into an annoying fly

[fleet brook]

No triple M meta

[noble swift]

Wdym hp?

[fleet brook]

Hit points

[noble swift]

Heavy has c4, rpg, charge... lot of crap by default that basically everyone knows is what I mean by Heavy Is Heavy

[chrome valve]

only real counter to that for me at least is glitch traps and model or heavy charge

[fleet brook]

Rpg isn't really gonna help with a sword light because it doesn't do a lot of damage and will self damage you at that range so your counter still leaves you close to death at best and that's with a direct hit and the CD takes so long the light can revive 2 times over

The C4 isn't that great of a gadget and again at this range self damage and it would need to be a direct to get much done.

Charge is the only thing you listed really helping you out

[noble swift]

Brother... c4 is meta as fuck

Also as a heavy, you just shoot the sword guy down

The ttk is so stupidly high for a sword outside of the optimal combo that you have plenty of time to kill the lil bugger

At that point if youre losing that fight, i mean not much to say

Not uncommon for heavies to straight up kill themselves for a kill when they can just get defibbed usually easier than a light cuz heavies usually stick with a team unlike the lights

[uncut fox]

I can Vouch for this 😦

[waxen vapor]

fell in love with pyro mines just because of this. pyro mines are the only mine to not have been nerfed since beta, i think, so that makes them the model 1887 of the mine gadgets

it's like having two pyro nades that you can't possibly miss! great for zoning and funnelling if you're running melee or the shotgun

[boreal laurel]

I’m with you there. You should see me spam pyro mines with flamethrower and grief the entire lobby 😈 (sometimes even my teammates accidentally 😬)

Also technically they were released at launch and not during the beta

[waxen vapor]

they also have the most aesthetically pleasing model. inspect that thing at the wrong angle outside and you are blinding yourself. also can someone explain why the pyro mines just happen to be 2-in-hand while the explosive and gas ones have been nerfed? is there really a reason why pyro mines are considered less oppressive compared to the others???

[tulip python]

model needs distance-strength rework

[boreal laurel]

Probably because people use them less. IMO they’re actually stronger than the other two, but most people don’t realize it. Also they’re on heavy, which has a lower play rate than med. if heavies started spamming them they’d get nerfed within the week probably

[waxen vapor]

mines just fit the heavy playstyle better to be honest. once you're hunkered down and the rest of the team med and lights are rotating around you mines are just a lot harder to dodge or play around for the enemy. i don't really get why meds use explosive or gas since it's a lot easier for them to just move the battle elsewhere and you just have a wasted gadget slot

heavies benefit the most from placeables and fortifications. even on med running aps or turret feels weird because a lot of the time the fight can just shift elsewhere bc you don't really dictate the flow or angles people peek or fight from

[dreamy hedge]

When is the ospuze consumable gadget dropping?

[cyan bobcat]

thats what im sayin'!

[soft shale]

If Embark releases this skin for the LH1, I'm buying in a heartbeat

[vapid frost]

This is sort of an old thing, but I forgot to ask.
Has any dagger main noticed a significant reduction in the combat score when using the dagger? It used to give so much more, but since the rework it gives a lot less combat and I haven't seen anyone talk about this nor is it mentioned on any patchnotes.

Idk if it's intended or if it is a bug

[shell sonnet]

I do recall having had very high combat scores at times
I dont specifically notice a difference, but thats because im not comparing them atm
I do have some old footage i could probably pull up to compare

What i notice more is missing plenty of (often times vital) stabs because there is not enough feedback on if the stab is ready

There are a few things like that, turret remote recall for example also makes 0 noise and if im running somewhere i ofzen notice a bit later that my press didnt actually go though and i have to try again

[vapid frost]

Yeah, that too, it used to give around 1000 combat per kill (if backstab) and now it gives the same combat per kill as the other weapons

[shell sonnet]

I mean, that would be fair i guess?

[vapid frost]

It's not a big deal but it was a nice feature ig

[shell sonnet]

I want multie hit back :/

[vapid frost]

Me too :/

Please just make it like the tks and give us 2 right click options

I'm begging

[shell sonnet]

Like press m2 for stabbing as soon as its ready, and hold m2 to hold?

Because thats what i would like to have

[vapid frost]

Yeah, kind of

[vapid frost]

Basically you could press m2 and do the stab animation, which is slightly quicker and doesn't slow you, or you could hold it in exchange for being able to stab as soon as you let go of m2, being more precise

So you could hold it when you are trickstabbing around corners or fighting a sword

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, that would have saved me a few cashouts

I hope they do that

[vapid frost]

Yeah, it would also not only bring back the previous skill ceiling, but rise it more

[shell sonnet]

Its so painful to rush in behind someone stealing
Charge it up, but let go a second too late

Its a real dilemma
Either you charge longer, to make sure its actually ready but risk using too much time and loosing the cashout

Or you let go as quickly as you think you can, but risk being unable to, due to charging too little and loosing your charge

It sucks

[vapid frost]

Since you get rewarded for hitting harder to time backstabs and you have to choose wisely between clicking and holding

[vapid frost]

It definetely does

I also feel like it doesnt register my click and try to stab when I wasn't even charging in the first place

[shell sonnet]

Also, whats up with vaulting at the moment?

Sometimes im just walking, maybe bunny hopping a bit and i suddenly grab onto a ledge and vault onto something that i wasnt even looking at

And other times, im try to jump into a window, and i just get stuck because it refuses to vault

Or while jumping from one moving platform to another (right above seouls death pit no less :/)

Probably wouldnt even be that bad if it vaulted often than not, but was very quick so you dont eat 15 bullets because its basically a soft stun

[vapid frost]

Oh, I don't recall that happening to me, but it must suck

[shell sonnet]

It was a little
Not major by any means, but the few times it does happen it kinda breaks the flow (especially if it gets you killed)

It may not happen all too often, but there are a few such things, it adds up

[jade falcon]

Any counter to heavy claw?? Getting back into game and it's less than fun getting stunned and pulled into my death hammer or flamethrower

[boreal laurel]

You can shoot well before the claw pulls you into the heavy’s range. If you have a high-DPS weapon you might win the engagement. If you use light, dash or grapple might also save your hide. Other than that 🤷‍♂️

[jade falcon]

Hmmm well thanks! 👍🏻

[ancient mortar]

Happened to me in a game a few minutes ago and messed me up into falling to my death

[tardy saddle]

💯

[magic crypt]

Bro do you guys think that the defibrillator should be a specialization?

[fervent void]

lowkey sometimes i think that it should

[toxic plover]

But then it would have to be buffed

I say put all specialization and gadgets on cool down after a defib revive and remove invulnerable frames and then it'll be balanced

[spark igloo]

stun, glitch, and charge are really your only ones

so to beat boring you have to be REALLY boring

dash doesnt let you escape anymore either

[gilded nova]

On console does winch then immediately after rpg work?

[vale obsidian]

idk why different platform would change a 2 button combo

[gilded nova]

Uhh Click speed, fps, internet speed, resolution, macros for pc. Uh idk

[spice vigil]

Not quite howelectronics work but it should still work

[elder hill]

Double barrel needs a nerf

[spice vigil]

no

[cunning kettle]

how tf would resolution affect it 😭

[vale obsidian]

welcome to extreme design
but it is a nessiary evil other wice we will only have 100 ar and nothing else

[languid crag]

famas skin

[stray oar]

wtf is that abomination

[ember prawn]

just an older version of the weapon i think

this is what comes up when you search famas on google

and other games like pubg use this representation of it

[stray oar]

sure buddy the famas is a bullpup whitch means its mag is at the back

[ember prawn]

what?

what does that have to do with anything i said

[stray oar]

dunno

[umbral knoll]

most intellegent conversation in the finals discord server right here

[plucky spade]

Nah the balancing discussion takes the crown

[languid crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182329984723976283/1306186438341300255/cat-nuh-uh.gif

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-real-true-fact-checked-fact-gif-6343207587503842551

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-fake-false-fact-checked-fact-gif-3692826964065029091

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/lithuania-lithuanian-fact-check-lithuanian-fact-check-false-this-post-has-been-fact-checked-gif-13947112850093392958

[warm gorge]

I feel like I'm like 1cm away from hitting people with the sword after the nerf

[languid crag]

i hate sword users

[restive plover]

Simply shoot them.

[warm gorge]

I hate fighting sword users, I love using it.

[languid crag]

not that easy when they are dashing everywhere

[vale obsidian]

real

[restive plover]

Not that hard either.

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-19411985

[languid crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1220379588702765117/ezgif.com-gif-maker2.gif

good thing i dont see much sword users

[vale obsidian]

we don't want to nerf shit just bc its annoying/hard to fight

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-slap-green-role-greenie-shut-up-gif-10942963821945964764

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-grab-pet-petting-gif-23800535

[cedar night]

hum

[vale obsidian]

hmm

[full harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/878431660822110238/1191464842108866591/1E47560B-8C48-499B-9B24-5A2BD89C842F.gif

[finite hound]

gamefan approved

[cerulean flame]

#🔥┇drip-check

[dark prawn]

how's my current loadout?

Light 1: Evasive Dash, Throwing Knives, Sonar Grenade, Frag Grenade, Vanishing Bomb, Reserve: SH1900, XP-47, Gateway, Breach Charge

[boreal laurel]

Swap the vanish bomb for the breach charges and you have my exact loadout
(In other words I approve 👌)

[dark prawn]

oh, cool! Thanks

[plain wasp]

Also it's XP-54 not 47 but anyways I'd equip the gateway most of the time instead of sonar because sound does about the same as sonar does

[icy forge]

How Americans be feeling like after discussing who's the biggest patriot in a video game related discord server 😂 :

Some Americans are like that and some Europeans act like that, that's life

[fleet brook]

"cough cough* half the nerfs up to this point

[amber ermine]

the m26 skin on the last page doesn't show the effects in game
am I the only one with this ?

[clever furnace]

we didn't get full-auto weapon since season 1 💀 New smg, lmg or assault rifle would be soo nice. And also multiple scopes on one weapon, not only 1 scope on one weapon. Also we really need scope for lewis gun

[uncut fox]

[fleet brook]

I know the revolver is bad and I know I'll never be as good as JFJ with it but everytime I watch one of there videos it tempts me to pick it up

[fickle dome]

anyone know how long you have to hold down right click for the sword to lunge?

[drowsy pasture]

Just wait for the animation

[fickle dome]

nah i want to know exactly, like 1.5 seconds or smth casue im working smthing out

[uncut fox]

Im sure you can find it online, idk off the top of my head

[fickle dome]

cheers

[left swallow]

If you keep them at a distance they literally can’t attack you

[viral fern]

Med doesn't have that tho

[dreamy hedge]

Lmao there should be a mine like the glitch trap that just makes a slow field

[restive plover]

Best loadout to run with the pike?

[languid crag]

i dont play light

[viral fern]

That's fair

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/walmartcat-ssendo-fintje-discord-goofy-walmartcat-ssendo-fintje-tirtho-gif-17290958634776546359

[oak storm]

gravity cube, its funny to watch the mediums swim through it trying to get their buddy off the roof with defibs

[restive plover]

this is disgusting

[ebon mason]

im sad the dual blades aren't very good, they're super fun

[restive plover]

if doing more than just w+m1 is hard for you then perhaps try something else

[fervent void]

Couldn’t agree more

[tight swallow]

Charge Slam, KS-23, Dome Shield, Barricade and RPG.

[hallow leaf]

Yeah, it's sad. The devs added them to the game then forgot about them

[ebon mason]

all they really need to do to make them better is to get rid of the 3rd attack

[hallow leaf]

I believe the 3rd attack is bugged, I believe it's supposed to do 70x2 but currently just does 70

50x2 60x2 70 just doesn't make sense, why have the damage drop off at the end

[ancient mortar]

Maybe they don't want it to kill a heavy in one combo?

[narrow solar]

is it just me or is ait that if u wanna play light u should be running a gateway

at least a useful one

[fierce blaze]

What is the gayest gun you can use for each class

[hallow leaf]

I don't understand why that would be an issue it's combo would still be slower then sledge or spear ttk

[ancient mortar]

Yeah I agree, was just the only non bug reason I could think of lol

[narrow solar]

idk

[hallow leaf]

M11 for light, cl40 for med and flame thrower for heavy

[fleet brook]

Smart ones just shoot it

I don't think it should be able to be shot out it's not an insanely strong gadget and requires setup

[fleet brook]

Sometimes I don't want to sweat my butt off to just play a game and having my brain off weapons that I can fall back on isn't bad

[hallow leaf]

I think the cl and flame thrower are in a decent spot but the m11 just needs nerfed

[narrow solar]

m11 has a lot of recoil tho

it needs to be in a better spot than the xp

[hallow leaf]

That's not hard to control and the ttk on that gun is fucking broken

[narrow solar]

also light needs a lot dps in comparison to its health

[hallow leaf]

It has movement to compensate for it's missing health

[narrow solar]

lights do not need a nerf, mediums do. Its rare to see lights in high elo besides occasional hml

[hallow leaf]

The ttk doesn't need to be that damn fast

[narrow solar]

if were talking about dps in comparison to health medium is more of an issue imo. Also overall med just too good rn

[hallow leaf]

And lights 100% need a nerf, the main nerf med needs is defib

[narrow solar]

light is by far the weakest class rn and basically no one in high elo would disagree

[hallow leaf]

Light would be seen more if defib got nerfed

100% the main reason medium is so prevalent is because of the defib chains

[narrow solar]

and heal beam and glitch grenade and jump pad and shotgun and demat and turret and zipline

[hallow leaf]

Heal beam has been consistently nerfed, jump pad and zip aren't an issue and Demat is completely balanced in its current state cant say the same for broken dash, and turret is useless

And med doesn't have glitch grenade

[nimble bronze]

Anyone thinking when to nerf model and sword?

[spice vigil]

nah you the first person to say that i think

[crude cobalt]

love how the game answered my own question, mine or nade? Final cashout, threw a nade and wiped the team because of their mines lmao 🤣

[narrow solar]

You said the reason it’s so prevalent, didn’t say they needed nerfed

But medium is by far the best class in the game and I don’t think the m11 is an issue

[spice vigil]

literally what on light needs nerfing

[languid crag]

model has an annoying cycle model does not need to be nerfed sword needs to be nerfed tho

[spice vigil]

right on target crosshair (its perfect)

[nimble bronze]

But they should honestly reduce damage level so when lights let’s say are like 100 hp, they wouldn’t have to be instantly one shot by it and instead 2 shotted

[languid crag]

throwing knives need a nerf i get 3 shot as heavy

[spice vigil]

honestly yeah

[fleet brook]

So it should do less than 50

The implications of what you're saying about a burst weapon is strange

[hallow leaf]

It would literally make it useless

[nimble bronze]

1 shot for light

[fleet brook]

I mean it could join the revolver

[nimble bronze]

Look they should just nerf the model some more because the recent nerf wasn’t anything

[hallow leaf]

Before model gets a nerf they need to nerf the m11, sh19, throwing knives, v9s and dash and stun gun

[spice vigil]

skill issue

[hallow leaf]

I just can't stand no skill lights

[spice vigil]

m11 and v9s are pretty skilled in comparison to model tbh

[hallow leaf]

The m11 is fucking broken

[spice vigil]

when the average lobby has 9 mediums and a couple heavies or lights i think theres a definite issue

[hallow leaf]

Yes, it's defib

[stray oar]

hell yeah thats why i use it... bc if i didnt my ass would get whopped by the 3 medium teams

[hallow leaf]

A heavy shouldn't get bursted in a millisecond by a no skill m11

[spice vigil]

1 shot them with sledge

[hallow leaf]

Also shouldn't get 2 tapped by the sh19

[spice vigil]

imagine a weapon not being able to kill if oyu hit ALL its bullets. you have so much skill issue rn

[stray oar]

if i didnt use the m11 there is no shit i would be able to compete with teams made of mediums and heavies

[hallow leaf]

It's ttk is the issue not how many bullets it takes

[spice vigil]

yeah, the ttk would be shit because you would have to reload

or heear me out. USE THE THINGS YOU COMPLAIN ARE TOO GOOD

[hallow leaf]

I'm a firm believer that if light was removed the game would be in a better place

[stray oar]

but like it takes some kinda skill to hit all your shots bc if you dont your ass is getting sent strait to the shadow realm

[spice vigil]

these are awful takes

[coral root]

MG3 for heavy

[hallow leaf]

Any take defending lights bullshit is a horrible take

[languid crag]

yes

lights have it too good

[stray oar]

soo you want light to be more useless than it already is?

[hallow leaf]

Skill issue

[languid crag]

the double barrel can 2 shot

[smoky jackal]

only thing there that needs a nerf is the double barrel

[languid crag]

stun gun also needs a nerf

[smoky jackal]

range i can see, yeah. beyond that it would be useless to make to do anyless than it does now

[languid crag]

v9s needs a slower reload cuz it does 39 damage or so

and it has alot of ammo

[stray oar]

yeah because its a god damn double barel do you want the light to be right next to the opponent and have to reload?

[nimble bronze]

Tf I main m11 and its def not a skill issue

[stray oar]

thats a death sentence

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-up-low-rank-low-rank-no-rank-gif-4324635665607699515

[nimble bronze]

I was emerald 4 last season

[languid crag]

im talking about server dumbass

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/2ps-compelling-argument-meme-higher-role-gif-22667466

[fleet brook]

And your opinions are bad

[languid crag]

yeah his opinions are bad

[fleet brook]

No why it's not a op weapon

[languid crag]

it can 2 shot mediums

hows that not op

[smoky jackal]

154 dmg in 1 shot with no effort isnt balanced

[languid crag]

yeah

[fleet brook]

You have to be in sneezing distance

[languid crag]

still its op

[smoky jackal]

so does sword, so does dagger

[fleet brook]

That's a very narrow way of looking at a weapon is raw damage output

Lmgs didn't do alot of damage per bullet

That excludes mag size and a bunch of other factors like effective range

[languid crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182329984723976283/1306186438341300255/cat-nuh-uh.gif

[fleet brook]

That would make sledge an op weapon in season 2 and most melee weapons the best in the game

[smoky jackal]

you mean weapons that have a readable charge up?

[spice vigil]

nerf light guys 🤓 👆

[fleet brook]

You mean the light that's running/ dashing/ grappling towards you isn't a pretty clear Indicator of a melee weapon

[coral coral]

nerf smoke grenade

[plain wasp]

No

[smoky jackal]

the dash that had a literal trail behind it and the lunge that has to be charged up?

[coral coral]

I was being ironic

[plain wasp]

You know on second thought the cd is too short

[fleet brook]

Also if you nerf the DB out of two shot range it becomes a terrible weapon

And yes I'm saying it's your fault that you can't read that the light charging into melee range doesn't have a melee burst weapon

Somethings are infact a problem on your end and not the high damage high risk burst weapon closed the range on you

[coral coral]

if you're dying to the DB, get better positioning

its only good in 1v1s

[fleet brook]

Nah just clown react the dude because you ran out of argument

[smoky jackal]

no im just talking to someone with 4 working braincells so it isnt worth it, boy

[fleet brook]

I'm talking to a light main . I'm surprised you took your Adderall and are able to form full sentences before you diverted to name calling

[coral coral]

light mains when every weapon one shots them

[fleet brook]

You want to nerf the DB out of 2 shot range which would make it terrible as a gun

[plain wasp]

Give the shotgun with 2 barrels more ammo capacity frfr ong

[coral coral]

also if it was nerfed, then it wouldn't be able to kill heavies

[fleet brook]

You're expecting a light main to think for more than 3 seconds

[smoky jackal]

coming from the failed abortion who played db lmao

[plain wasp]

Mfw ad hominim

[coral coral]

if you're letting a db light get in 1 shot range and live, you aren't playing the game right

[fleet brook]

I've had better insults thrown at me

But I actually played 93R mostly when I started light+ xp 54 and M11 on beta

DB is fun and a quick play weapon

[smoky jackal]

im sure you have