💣┇weapons-gadgets

[shut bane]

Id still replace it with a survivability based specialization

[bitter surge]

How would you fix KS-23 ?

[desert falcon]

Buff the destruction damage of it

[bitter surge]

Hmmm, I think it’s really good in that thing

[stray night]

pls revert mesh or replace cooldown system with activation cost system. We went from having 2 classes in the meta to 1 class in the meta lol

[soft juniper]

I hate how long it takes to Level up Gas Grenades

[languid crag]

a triple barrel blunderbuss skin for the lever action shotgun and you load in the metal balls or shrapnel pellets from the top

[surreal pivot]

@smoky light My Brudda!!!

[spark igloo]

anybody in here got suggestions/problems with this?

[ocean elk]

Hey new to this channel i was wondering how the pirate's revolver looks in action before i make any costly choices☺️

[maiden timber]

Winch one is false, the change last patch is completely only nerf to Right click/vertical slam hit duration, not faster hit

Nothing change except can't easily 180° hit with vertical slam move

Medium could use Jumpad (almost every medium use this) and dash light is straight winch counter

Pulling heavy with charge n slam is suicide

Even worse if anyone aware, winch make heavy like can't shoot 0.5-1 sec before enemy u winch free tho

[spark igloo]

It was a winch change that happened alongside the sledge one however it wasnt mentioned in the patch notes. Medium can jump pad... and then die when they land. Charge is the only scenario that you cant kill exclusively with winch sledge but thats ignoring any cooldowns you may have such as rpg or goo grenade

You can also M2 M1 mediums off winch which was not possible prior to the patch

[maiden timber]

When u winch medium, u can't immediately slam them with vertical, still need chase them with slide+slam which make it like 50/50 u can pulled out combo

Light can dash out

It's only nerf to heavy right click bruh, nothing change about winch+sledge combo since beginning

[spark igloo]

I am willing to get in a practice range with you right now and show you the changes

[languid crag]

its very cool

[maiden timber]

Just use it on rank and tell me does it really need nerf 🙃

[spark igloo]

I was ruby last season playing only winch sledge

its by no means overpowered but it needs changes to be healthier to fight

here are two videos of myself and a light, both on native NA ping. The light is spamming dash inputs and still dying

[hallow leaf]

Idk it just seems like there needs to be some sort of delay between melee weapon and quick melee, imo using your melee weapon should be primary and shouldn't pair with quick melee

[spark igloo]

winch just needs a rework and goo gun needs to be rebuffed

sledge was fine before winch

[hallow leaf]

Give winch to med

I'll take anything to help med melee

[spark igloo]

it should be the spear m2

[strange kelp]

It feels faster though because u dont have to pull the pin

[icy forge]

Ok, Didn't thought about it

[languid crag]

heres my interpretation of a double barrel blunderbuss skin for the lever action

[hushed crown]

xp54 is okay imo it has good range for what it is
winch is NOT fight winning button by any means (literally just walk forward, past the heavy, and you can live)
dash is fine
cloak honestly needs a nerf more than a buff
i genuinely still dont understand the kyoto hate, its not that bad
sandstorm vegas is fine
riot shield is semi-viable now with the buff but everything else for the most part yeah
i have saved myself from dying to grenades many times soley because of the voice lines from contestants
ive only seen a vault clip out of bounds on vegas once, so idrk if its a problem or not
everything else i didnt mention is mostly true

[spark igloo]

Xp doesn't do enough damage to be worth it as a light weapon.
Winch sledge is a kill on any class besides charge heavy where you can goo them or rpg them.
Dash is bad past plat
Cloak is fine if just needs the bugs relating to it to be fixed
Kyoto and sandstorm Vegas play horrendously in ranked settings
Hol up lemme find a clip I got today fighting a riot player

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009830578545246213/1302478852131651656/riot_shield_lowkey_just_useless_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67284375&is=6726f1f5&hm=d67a0fb43623ec7811dce9e07ea96fc45c878639f2e09c71670f260448741483&

[hushed crown]

ah, i was emerald in wt and silver in ranked and silver in ranked right now, so your light takes would be better most likely

[spark igloo]

It definitely varies between elo brackets

[hushed crown]

wow

[spark igloo]

Most of my takes are from a comp standpoint tho

[hushed crown]

i will say though i have never died to a winch sledge unless the heavy was up against a wall
you can literally just hold w and escape

[hushed crown]

i figured

[spark igloo]

If the sledge does a light attack they will hit you no matter what

And melee lunge is strong enough to pull you into the next m1 and qm if we're referring to mediums

Lights just get m1 quick melees and instantly die tho

[hushed crown]

oooh

i guess its just the heavies i encounter are bad because every single one does m2 after winch

[spark igloo]

Yeah that'll do it

[swift cradle]

You can literally see a light running around with cloak from 60m away how much more borked do you want it to be?

[lavish blaze]

neither invisibility nor wallhacks should be present in any pvp game, and light has both, on top of tiny hitbox, crazy mobility and massive damage

[tulip grove]

A Light also is supposed to be a hit and run class with scouting and assassination capabilities.

As a Heavy main, though, there definitely is some painpoints when having to fight against a sweaty Light player, such as Stun Gun freezing me into a screeching halt in a game that's so much about active movement.

[frozen canopy]

A Very controversial topic on items but, Switch the Stun gun to Heavy and it'll balance out usage of items from light spam. As for Mediums give Defibs a cooldown after use to be 35sec to prevent defib spam to make using or not using defibs more crucial :D

[fleet brook]

Oh you weren't playing when literal wall hacks were a thing

[fleet brook]

Neither of those changes would accomplish the goal you'd just end up in a RPG situation where it's too strong not to bring it but has a long CD so it feels cheeks to use

[frozen canopy]

but RPG was not talked about it still is an item and has utility, heavy isn't only good with rpg they have proxy mines and barricades plus mines

[restive plover]

The only problem with medium is weaponry, not the support ability. And stun gun is mostly a non-issue.

Just a tad annoying.

[fleet brook]

On console it makes me hate the game

[frozen canopy]

Stun gun utility to stop cashout steals as a crutch for lights makes having lights with dash or cloak hard to fight but if a heavy with no quick entry makes getting into the point more crucial and stopping lights from flying away more reliable, as lights have ttk of 0.6 seconds

A different thought would be on the idea of data ReSharper removing a turret from play shouldn't put the turret on a full 12 sec cooldown but should be a 8 sec delay

[restive plover]

Steal stopping with stun gun is not a crutch lmao, and lights should be harder to pin down.

[frozen canopy]

Name any high elo team of a light that doesn't use stun gun in some way as a Light player lol It just is the best of the best items for light same goes with rpg on heavy and why it was nerfed

[restive plover]

I do think it could be changed a little, losing the movement lock and being a full glitch effect. But that's about it.

[frozen canopy]

I think it's in a good spot of disabling but it shouldn't be able to reload in such a short time like defibs, It could be a 23 sec cooldown XD

[restive plover]

Something having a high pick rate doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. Gateway is the actual best gadget on light, but nobody thinks it should be nerfed.

[frozen canopy]

That would be like saying nerf jump pad lol

[restive plover]

Exactly.

[frozen canopy]

they both have reasons of use compared to a Stun gun

[drowsy pasture]

I have wall hacks

[fleet brook]

Because it's a skill reward not just I click button good thing happens

[restive plover]

Neither of them are mechanically complicated.

[fleet brook]

Yes but it's easier to setup a bad gate /misuse it then it is to do a bad stun gun

As long as stun gun lands it's guaranteed value

[rough carbon]

I hate the stungun but it really does keep swordies in check. If anything the medium or the heavy should get it. And I say this as a sword user

[kind compass]

Day 2 of suggesting a mag fed repeating crossbow lever action (look up the one invented by jorge sprave) and possibly the the HK G11 burst rifle for heavy, both are iconic in the way the gun would handle and uniqueness, the G11 would be a perfect size for heavy and heavy does not have a burst or any ARs in their kit
If the medium can have a nade launcher like heavy and the heavy has access to deagles like handguns like light and medium it would be cool for heavy to have access to a marksman style rifle or AR, just lower dmg and increase mag size and possibly fire rate to make it similar to their machine guns so it's not to overpowered for heavy to have such a long range rifle

[vale obsidian]

worst take i've ever seen tbh

[sand monolith]

Yes because it’s one of the only ways light gets value in high elo

[fleet brook]

Stun gun DB is fun

[rough carbon]

those guys are intimidating lol

[sand monolith]

Stun on medium or heavy would be insanely overpowered

[fleet brook]

Not really

[rough carbon]

ive seens some good cloak db

[fleet brook]

Heavy could use it for melee I guess

Mediums ideal range for all its weapons is mid range

[rough carbon]

scout is spy's son indeed

[obsidian nexus]

everyone gets a stungun xD

[frozen canopy]

Heavy winch stungun and sledge

[rough carbon]

I would be down for everyone-gets-a-stun-gun week

[fleet brook]

Medium generally doesn't like being up close and personal

And heavy has enough chase down but slowing you can be useful

[fleet brook]

Redundant

That sounds bad but one of the buttons would always be bad

[rough carbon]

Heavy has a stungun, it's called the goo gun

[fleet brook]

Back in the day when you used to get trapped in goop it was technically better

[sand monolith]

Yes because they have nothing to help in close range

[rough carbon]

You can still slow people and hammer em

[frozen canopy]

I agree to that though give everyone stun gun

[rough carbon]

as long as they dont take that away i wont complain

[sand monolith]

Stun would be cool with melee and then insanely broken on deagles and sa12

[fleet brook]

Yeah stun gun would primarily combo with non melee

[rough carbon]

but think of what medium and heavy wont be using if they opted to use stungun

that would effect their kit to a degree

[sand monolith]

Both classes have a free gadget slot

[fleet brook]

I mean heavy has decent things but his load out rn is very flexible

[frozen canopy]

Or give classes an item like cleansing glitch/stuns temporary shield for 2 sec

[sand monolith]

Having more options isn’t really a nerf

[fleet brook]

To niche

Also you'd need to shoot it on someone else as you can't cleans your own glitch

[rough carbon]

ana overwatch heal nade would be better

[frozen canopy]

Could apply to all effects of gas fire glitch and stun

[rough carbon]

or octane apex speed stim

if med had a speed stim the double blades would be nasty

[fleet brook]

I mean they'd still be bad because octane sacrifices health

[rough carbon]

i can see medium having a speed GATE rather that launches you horizontally like a hot wheels car

[fleet brook]

It'd be more so used for quick rotation

[rough carbon]

a speed stim would certainly challenge the cloak nade meta

i would rather haul ass rather than not be seen

and if it chunked away 25 or 50 hp and delayed regen until the speed stopped then oh well

still want a canister launcher that sucks up loose canisters on the map and stores them to be dispensed at will, shot at the enemy in a semi auto fashion like the junk jet from fo4

sounds like a heavy specialization

[kind compass]

Power jump for heavy would be dope as a specialization heavy. As heavies have almost no mobility gadgets except grav cube and has to rely of medium kits and gateway to get around, if your teammates have none womp womp. The jump could easily be balanced from jump height and jump distance/ horizontal range and speed of jump and cooldown. It would be nice to see a new specialization that isn't defense related or similar to a winch, in maps like Kyoto it's almost impossible to get height in a quick manner ( grav cube) and it would be funny to see heavy jump up the side of a building in fortune stadium ( the iseult portion with the all of the windows) the jump can also be charged to change height/horizontal distance to allow diversity and also help the heavy get in and out of combat whilst also making the predictability of jump hard to predict for players aiming at the heavy

[rough carbon]

Dragoon Heavies, yes please

[vapid frost]

I think it would be awesome if the concepts expanded a little bit, like adding magic weapons/gadgets, maybe with a fantasy themed season? It may sound a bit weird considering the actual setting of the game, but after all, it is a virtual gameshow where anything is possible, right?

[vale obsidian]

way i'd go to balance stim would be -25hp on use and -25hp on speed end and thats it
nice and sinple

[rough carbon]

Magic worked for Borderlands why not here

[kind compass]

What item would be or weapon could be considered magic themed? It is a very broad theme, I did suggest a mag fed repeating crossbow

Or the automatic crossbow from van helsing 😆

[rough carbon]

Resigned cl40 and mgl

[vale obsidian]

its by design that heavy have next to no mobility
giving heavy a very Very relyable mobility will be very powerful

[vapid frost]

Staffs, wands, tomes, anything actually

[vale obsidian]

how would you go about it

[vapid frost]

Its a broad concept

[rough carbon]

Wands that shoot out projectiles and you do a little spell as a reload

[shell sonnet]

It already felt pretty weird to have a melee based season

I dont mind magic weapons but if anything they need to be skins, not whole weapons

[rough carbon]

You're right next season should be MMA themed

[vapid frost]

Perhaps they could work around effects? like burns, slows and stuff

[kind compass]

Finding or making skins for some of those weapons seems limited imo I think wands would be dope unlimited ammo with a heat mechanic so u have to wait for it to cool down and an aoe alt fire

[shell sonnet]

I still want a boxing glove skin for sledge

[weak kernel]

what if a single shot serious sam cannon as an alternative to the RPG

big cartoon cannonball that smashes through buildings

[vapid frost]

Sounds dope indeed

[rough carbon]

Just a big uppercut for the hard swing

[vale obsidian]

i have a wand spec idea for a very long time now
its for medium and to use it you need to do damage and that damage get stored in a meter

holding right click show a circle menu with 3 spell, one offensive, one defensive, one heal
left click to select the spell, and if you keep left clicking it'll use the same selected spell

[rough carbon]

It's tf2 heavy fists but consistent

[shell sonnet]

I was more thinking of an energy punch akin to fortnite stw

[shell sonnet]

But that would be fine by me lol

[vapid frost]

Thats actually really good

[rough carbon]

Also doomfist gauntlet for heavy 2025

I say this as a light

[vapid frost]

I personally thought of the wand as a light weapon, a staff for heavies and maybe a tome for medium

Or crystall balls, there are many possibilities

[heady kindle]

A brick for mediums. I'm not kidding. Throwable brick.

[shell sonnet]

I mean, would it be?

Just make staffs and they act as the weapon in question (book and fireball for rpg, staff for gun, etc.)

Only issue i could see would be weapons being too unrecogizeable, and you cant tell them apart
Which wouldnt be any different if they existed on their own

And how would you even make skins for them?
Can you even apply the level skins to them?
They would break every metric

[rough carbon]

If heavy had the high leap, the boxing glove and the doomfist gauntlet we have our doomfist recreation right there

[kind compass]

That sounds unbelievably scary and impossible to avoid lol

[vale obsidian]

those 3 spell i haven't thought about yet but i have to spit ball it
offensive: % movement speed
defensive: 50 over heath with decay
heal: triger regen/25hps for 2 sec

[rough carbon]

Sounds like a throwing knife skin

[vapid frost]

Maybe it could apply debuffs too

[heady kindle]

NO. a brick. My kingdom for a brick.

[vale obsidian]

debuff are boringly annoying

[shell sonnet]

Movement speed is potentially problematic depending on class
Overhealth screws with damage breakpoints
Not ideal

[rough carbon]

Slightly less RoF than throwing knives but hurts more maybe

[vale obsidian]

breck point leave people with 1 hp anyways
it can be balance done right

[rough carbon]

Concussion effect for headshots

[kind compass]

Oooo a charging ice shard launcher for heavy, slow charge but gives a cooldown effect

High damage slow fire rate with a minor slow debuff that can stack if hit multiple times

[rough carbon]

If we had a looney tunes sorta toon themed season fine throwing brick for medium lol

[shell sonnet]

They leave them at 1 because that means they need to be hit 1 more time
Anything less and it would be annoying
Specifically the reason its done that way
Removing that would be frustrating to no end

Maybe it can be balanced right
But is it likely?
Do we take out chances?

[vale obsidian]

and also its embark on the wheel here ahhhh

[shell sonnet]

Id rather not...

[vale obsidian]

can't trust them on the road of balancing sometime

[vale obsidian]

help be think of something for defences then

[shell sonnet]

I dont think magic fits in this game as its own thing

Maybe as skins, but thats about it

[vale obsidian]

but come on it would be so cool tho

[vale obsidian]

what about movement accelaration speed?

like the time form going left to going right when starfing

[shell sonnet]

Thats practicall instant already is it not?

Even making it instant wouldnt change much

[shell sonnet]

I mean, it could be cool

But i just dont think it fits as its own thing

But as reskins, i could totally see that

Like, an artifact you hold up and use to heal allies as healbeam skin
A wand that fires a fireball for rpg
A magical glove that spews flames as flamethrower skin

[vale obsidian]

it need to be play tested
cus it might also be one of those thing that heavilly effect low elo and none at all high elo

[shell sonnet]

That would be fine imo

Could also make flasks as grenade skins
Orange for pyro
Green for gas

[vale obsidian]

agree

[shell sonnet]

We already had dnd stuff, i could totally see more skins being added

A mace would go hard as sledge skin
And a medieval spear would be nice

[kind compass]

Throwing javelins for heavy!

[shell sonnet]

A whole season might end up feeling a little like season 3, where the whole thing just commits way too hard

But it would be cool

[kind compass]

How did u get that iseult badge at the end of ur name rs? I just joined da discord yesterday

[shell sonnet]

Season 5 eill be a real place, so season 6 will still need to be conceptualised

And since it will likely be made up place, dnd would be fitting

[vale obsidian]

go to Channel & Roles

[shell sonnet]

Channels and roles at the very top of the server
Scroll down and select

[copper sinew]

Probably better fit for Dual Blades, since you already have two weapons and it already has a blocking mechanic

[shell sonnet]

No, thats reflecting
That wouldnt fit imo

[kind compass]

Preesciate it

[copper sinew]

Yeah blocking with katanas also doesn't really reflect bullets, that's just bullshit video games came up with I don't see why we couldn't have a guard up animation and mediums punching bullets back at enemies

also gloves compared to a hammer would probably put too much dissonance between the outline of the heavy and what he is using, making it hard understand what weapon he is using.

Visual clarity is usually very important in games like these

[shell sonnet]

I mean, its kind of iconic for them

There are plenty of movies where stuff like that happens

Boxing gloves just feel kinda...
Off?

[kind compass]

Knuckle duster skin 😆👌

[copper sinew]

Usually slice bullets in half at most, not deflect them back at the enemies. That is really only popular because of Genji from Overwatch and any game that copied that from him.

[shell sonnet]

Still way closer than boxing gloves

[vale obsidian]

you need to think out side the box with weapon idea now

thats the best part of all weapon being quince

[restive plover]

•_••@/“/“/“-“-

[kind furnace]

remove swords

[bleak onyx]

had famas skin idea, considering it has some pretty basic skins, the main gun would be made out of wood metal and old bolts, 3 lightbulbs are on top of the gun, the lower your ammo gets, the more brighter they will get, ( not effecting gameplay whatsoever, embark could figure out how ) when its at max brightness your mag is empty, so when you empty reload the bulbs will burt to turn off the lights (the glass wont shatter)

originally put this is feed back, not knowing there is a 7 min timer.

[vale obsidian]

learn how to fight them :P

they sack all range power into close range so ofc you get distroy in melee range

tips: try sliding into them, work really reliably when you time it right

[wind folio]

lewis should have a red dot 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[rocky rose]

M60 dead

Lewis is still better than m60 right now anyways

[cunning kettle]

even more of a reason to not use m60 😭

[shell sonnet]

Ok, i just had a stupid idea

Approach enemies
Throw a vanish bomb in one direction, hopefully the enemy will look in that direction expecting an attack
Then cloak and attack from the other side

Depection tactics

[cunning kettle]

ive done that and sometimes it distracts them but most of the time they just get more alert since they know theres a cloaked light somwhere

[wind folio]

well, it has more boolets

[cunning kettle]

I NEED MORE BOOLETS I NEED MORE BOOLETS

BIGGER WEAPONS

[wind folio]

was about to write that 🤣

[cunning kettle]

WAIT THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO 😭

[wind folio]

https://tenor.com/view/giggling-butt-head-beavis-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s1-e6-gif-4541339192961621432

[bleak onyx]

model nerf idea, ( spare me ) add headshots, 64 body 96 headshot, 4 pellets

[shut bane]

m26 mass is unironically so good wtf

xp is also feeling super easy to use, its fun

[restive plover]

It always has been. Still not very good at the moment.

[restive blade]

does anyone hve a privet match to join

think about it a glide suit for light

[north dragon]

any guesses as to what the exclusive rewards will be for emerald this season

[languid crag]

what about an rpg skin that is an old pirate cannon

[pearl spear]

That would be really cool actually

Would’ve gone well with the pirate set

[white torrent]

did they lower the damage falloff for the revolver?

[shut bane]

dont think so

[white torrent]

bruh they need to

[languid crag]

an m1911 revolver skin would go hard

[pearl spear]

It’s been untouched since season 1 I think. Or at least hasn’t had a major change

[opal dove]

Lvl 8 pike complete with 40 days left in the szn. Genuinely curious as to how much of the community has this already? Or am I some of the first to obtain this? If that information is even available to you , I just haven’t seen any of the top streamers w it nor do I know anyone w it and I have plenty of top players in the game added
@restive plover

[restive blade]

day 5 of asking for a light, wing suit

[languid crag]

musket with a magazine skin for pike

[ashen robin]

https://tenor.com/view/noisy-cricket-will-smith-men-in-black-gif-9424978

DO IT

[sand monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266737129182986342/1286319067698823229/attachment.gif

[bleak onyx]

Ilycommit dose have it

your probably close to top 10-20, due to its mass use in higher ranks at the beginning of the season

give it 12 pellets idk but lower there dmg idk

[opal dove]

How’ve I not seen that🤣 but that’s what I figured too, I was just curious if they had data on it or not. I’d be suprised if 20 ppl have it as of current tho tbh cos even at higher ranks the shotty was more prevalent after a week then the pre patched pike was. I finished top 100 last szn and been chilling at 41k for a week. More then 90% of high elo mediums play shotgun @bleak onyx

[bleak onyx]

told my friend that and he argued w me for like 20 minutes 😭

but this would work

[kind furnace]

this is a problem in any comp game. if a gun has very high damage but the draw back is firerate or "hit your shots" like a shotgun it will dominate high elos where skill is high, shots are generally hit, and builds/meta are more important than weapon choice

[sand monolith]

The issue isn’t that the model is strong if you hit all your shots, the model breaks the cqc weakness of medium entirely and is also more rewarding for hitting all your shots than weapons that are much harder to hit all your shots with. It’s a much easier and safer weapon than the rifles

[kind furnace]

chill out. I didnt say it was balanced or bad or broken. Just that a gun like the model is on such a tipping scale of power. SLIGHTLY too powerful and itll dominate the meta. Slightly too weak and its still being used

[crimson veldt]

How can I acquire this charm?
What is Twitch Rivals?

[restive plover]

On the topic of the model, do you know if it was outright banned from private scrims during season three?

[crimson veldt]

Is the bow and arrow hitscan?

It has actual bullet travel?

[restive plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/313613999029747712/1299636422906744832/ljgnl7vy00wd1.gif

No?

Tatzelwurm.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969058474195578953/1300566857085878385/donutqq_qwq_-_1849917427502530759.gif

[bleak onyx]

im having trouble figuring this out, if i need 30k weapon xp, how much dmg do i need to do?

[strange leaf]

Hear me out: Sci-Fi season. Heavy gets an ion cannon, must hold trigger to charge and fire, very long range and high damage.

Medium gets a laser rifle. No ads, right click changes from laser bolts that deal burning damage, to a solid laser beam.

Light gets a plasma mine launcher. Kinda like demo’s sticky bomb launcher in tf2 left click to shoot, right click to detonate (no cool down on detonation so you can explode mines in mid air with skill)

[fleet brook]

Isn't the famas the best of the worst in terms of ak options

[sonic cedar]

hey all, just wondering, is there a "meta report" website for the finals with weapon/gadget playrates and stuff for the current season?

[restive plover]

Technically yes, but calling it that is a little misleading. It is a genuinely good gun.

[languid crag]

m1911 skin for lights revolver

[opal smelt]

is there any other use for the currency that unlocks weapons? i unlocked everything a long time ago and its just 5000/5000

[vale obsidian]

nah uh
but dev dose seem to be thinking of a way to add more use to it rn no promises

[hushed crown]

it was a twitch drop like 2 months ago

since it’s still in the customization menu it might still be available but I doubt it because they’ve had like 2 since then

[vital rain]

add a nuke for 500 robux

[toxic plover]

Hey guys where do I aim with the scope on the pike? Like the top of the bump or just above it?

[shut bane]

Top of the bump

[toxic plover]

That's dumb can't see what I'm shooting

[shut bane]

Well that’s the indicator, it wouldn’t be just above it

[toxic plover]

I just wish I could change the ridicule? To like a circle or a dot

[shut bane]

The sights can’t be altered as that would change their effectiveness directly i think and that depends on embark

Just our crosshairs

[toxic plover]

Too bad cross hair disappear when ADS. Even the Static one

[shut bane]

Not for deagles and shotguns

[toxic plover]

Hahahaha yeah. I can aim better with akimbo better than with pike and it's stupid.

[languid crag]

my cursed blunderbuss skin concept for the lever action

[coral root]

Nerf sword nerf 1887 nerf 1900 nerf deagles buff scar buff riot sheild buff 93r

[shut bane]

Buff Deagle nerf scar nerf riot shield nerf 93r buff sword buff model

[silver grail]

Just realised how op the bow is

[shut bane]

It fucks once you get the hang of it

[silver grail]

3 un charged shots leveling any light is crazy

[shut bane]

It’s funny seeing it one tap lights to the head as well

[shut bane]

Ok but what if auto loading break action shotgun with alofs system

[languid crag]

alofs system would go crazy

[shut bane]

Modernize it and slap one on a break action cl40 skin

[languid crag]

the cursed blunderbuss would be good for the pirate set

i also like the cursed flintlock alot

[toxic plover]

Self revive mine for medium when? You insta rez but with 1 HP

God I need to be a game dev

[languid crag]

yeah im tryna learn to code and model

so i can join embark one day and actually add good stuff

[toxic plover]

You think the self revive thing would be good?

Great movent tech but risky

It can be a CNS gadget

Heavy Gadget that makes every other instance of damage heal his team for 10 seconds? 100 damage =33hp healed per teammate

[frozen kindle]

Bring back season 1 Fcar and its damage if to match the model

[toxic plover]

Light gadget that makes a sphere around it that prevents gas and fire for 30 seconds.

Oooo light gadget that makes a wall that makes your team invisible on one side but not the other

[languid crag]

they should replace the fcar with the kriss vector

[toxic plover]

Sticky goo mine when

[primal orchid]

Crazy

[kind lodge]

what would go hard is

[vale obsidian]

is

[kind lodge]

medium slots that let you use a gas mask

[vale obsidian]

thats super situaltional

[kind lodge]

become the gas man

or anti detection

[vale obsidian]

im thinking of a heal bomb

[kind lodge]

stim shot, and or a single throwing tomahawk

[vale obsidian]

but thats so powerful so im going to balance it by making it a mine that you need to shot to activate

[kind lodge]

defibs already annoying as is

[vale obsidian]

not really imo?

it just a match up thing
you can always play around it

like rpg

[languid crag]

they should replace the cl40 with something else its a no brain weapon

[vale obsidian]

i love how cl40 only got heat after it got buff once

people never call it a brainless weapon at all form open beta to season 2 orr 3 when it buff

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[languid crag]

i dont see no embed

[vale obsidian]

yeah cus you delete that msg

[languid crag]

nuh uh

[vale obsidian]

yah uh

[languid crag]

🤓

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

cl40 is in a balance state now as it do fk all then going for splashes

[tidal cave]

has anyone taken the time to figure out the rate of XP for weapons and gadgets? Like how many times do I have to use the stun gun to level it up?

[fickle radish]

a shitlot

[limber raven]

One of my frindes plays the Stun since the beta and it is Level 5 it takes some time

[tulip grove]

Yeah it's almost like KS but with AoE attached to it.

And a much slower projectile.

[silver grail]

Im sad how underwhelming the m26 and the pike were. I hope we get more interesting weapons next season. And if they add a crossbow i hope they scale the damage properly with the bow. (so many games make it ridiculously op when its actually quite weak compaired to a bow of the same draw strength)

[vale obsidian]

they may not be interesting but they are really fun

[silver grail]

Really? Are they viable?

[fickle radish]

wasnt pike super uber meta?

or now its all about model and nothing else?

[silver grail]

It just didnt seem worth useing in practice

[vale obsidian]

they are more then viable my friend

in fact they are pretty good

[shell sonnet]

2-shot+qm to kill a medium with the matter is hella fun (if you can hit your shots)

[silver grail]

Huh didnt know that

[vale obsidian]

me either

now its even better then i thought

even if all pallet need to land

[restive plover]

agreed omg lol

i had saw a great thing from someone about how they would rework the model

it was liek 8x13 doing 104 dmg but revert the range it had

[fickle radish]

nerf scar?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, i hope they reduce the damage
On model*

[vale obsidian]

is this serious?

[fickle radish]

hope not

maybe he is confusing fcar with another weapon

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-great-argument-however-megamind-your-mom-yo-mama-gif-22994712

[sand monolith]

People thought pike was hard meta for the first week or so but then dropped it because model is just better

Pike is still stupid and needs an rpm nerf, model is just more op

[vale obsidian]

"yeah pike is op af but model is more op"

[fickle radish]

even after nerf is that op to cancel pikes opness?

[obsidian nexus]

Pike is still super broken and antifun

[vale obsidian]

that nerf only nerf range, something a shotgunner don't use so much anyways
its the insane burst damage that people use it for

[vale obsidian]

lmao "anti fun"

[vocal island]

please , for gods sake, buff sword lights ... they are too weak in current meta

[cyan bobcat]

Sounds like a skill issue

[vale obsidian]

im sorry to announce to you...
but you are diagnose with skill issue

[spring oasis]

Yes

[gray haven]

what do we think will be emerald rewards in s4??

[vapid frost]

Bring back dagger multi-hits!!!!!!

[shut bane]

No don’t do that

[velvet siren]

Throwing knives are so strong for no reason

You should throw one at a time instead of three

[fleet brook]

Bring back sledge multi hit

[vale obsidian]

it just the nature of burst damage
you can't fix that

[surreal zodiac]

bring back dagger right click

it should work like throwing knifes. If you click then its the old one, but you can hold it for long if u press

[vapid frost]

Maybe

The way it works rn makes it easier to fight swords tbf

[azure prawn]

hey guys, i started playing today but im a huge tryhard
is there a website or smth where i can see the updated meta

[vapid frost]

Just buy the funny medium shotgun

[shell sonnet]

real, i cant tell you how often i think im ready to stab, let go, just for it to not do anything

ill take an out of sync, delayed stab that can potentially miss over death

[azure prawn]

which one

[vale obsidian]

there's only one

[azure prawn]

i started playing today

[vapid frost]

The one and only

[shell sonnet]

does anyone have the rough sizes of the maps?

i got 250 meters in mind, but i cant recall which map it was

being able to compare would be good right now, i need it for something

[azure prawn]

Which L loudout would you recommend?

[vale obsidian]

heavily depend on what your playstyle is

[azure prawn]

quick and deadly -- in and out

[vapid frost]

Thats the point of light

[azure prawn]

thats why i like it xd

[vapid frost]

Almost every L weapon (except the sniper and a couple more) fit that playstyle

Some more than others

[vale obsidian]

any weapon works, dash a guarantee, and any of these: frag, gateway, sonar, glitch, stun, invis bomb

[azure prawn]

which one should i play? have only tried the standart one

[azure prawn]

which weapon would u recommend?

[vapid frost]

Depends on how you aim

[azure prawn]

pretty good

[vapid frost]

Do you like burst shots or tracking

[azure prawn]

both is fine

maybe burst more, not sure

[vale obsidian]

it more so how fast you go in and out 😳
form fast and furious to slow and gentle
Double shotty, m26, m11, ~~~~, xp54, lh1

[vapid frost]

Or the dagger if you dont fear the swag

Dagger mains rise

[azure prawn]

someone said throwing knives in other chat

[vapid frost]

Yeah

[azure prawn]

how does it work

[vale obsidian]

throwing knife can play at any engagement rate

[vapid frost]

You have shit damage and shit range but can (almost) one shot every class with a charged attack from the back

[vale obsidian]

dagger?

[azure prawn]

XD

dsnt sound to good
tell me more about the throwing knives, usable and how?

[vale obsidian]

you play at close range 24/7 anyways, the range is not a problem

[vapid frost]

It really isnt, but if you are committed to it, you will do sick plays

[vale obsidian]

i don't play tk tho so idk the rest

[vapid frost]

Can I send youtube links here?

[vale obsidian]

yeah

[vapid frost]

Oh, ok, I wanted to show the emerald dagger video

https://youtu.be/bdBMZbOOJeM?si=EVtJcz5zbYwzUrTl

Beautiful

[azure prawn]

lets see

DAMN

[grave saddle]

anyone got a good pike combo to use

[vapid frost]

It works a bit differently rn, you can charge the backstab, with makes it a bit slower but easier to pick up

[vale obsidian]

what you mean

[vapid frost]

Bc you dont really have to time it, just let go the click

[grave saddle]

a combo to use with the PIKE-556

[azure prawn]

hmm i see
cant decide now..

[vale obsidian]

no like what you mean by "combo"
you mean like a gatgid to enable your gun?

[grave saddle]

no loadout that works well with it

[vapid frost]

I'd suggest the throwing knives first

[vale obsidian]

i'd say frag/fire to soften enemy + it make enenmy move predictablily (away form danger)

a movement and defib

[grave saddle]

thanks

[azure prawn]

yea i think ill try them first
whats ur opimion on sword btw?

[vapid frost]

I used to main it, probably the highest skill ceiling along with dagger

But overall the sword is better, it has a lot more movement and mechanics in general

[vale obsidian]

you need to be swag to be good at sword

[vapid frost]

Yeah

[azure prawn]

so sword or trowing knives?

[vapid frost]

I prefer sword, but throwing knives are easier

[vale obsidian]

just play what you like and gidgud with it

[vapid frost]

Depends on you

[azure prawn]

since its my first weapon i buy i think ill get the easier one first

[vapid frost]

Sounds good

[azure prawn]

so throwing knives, and what else do i use with it? i need to buy the dash right

[vapid frost]

Yeah

[vale obsidian]

dash always

[grave saddle]

ALWAYS

[azure prawn]

xD
what else?

[vale obsidian]

nah uh only dash

[vapid frost]

I dont think that there is a specific gadget combo, just use the usual vanish bomb, gateway, frag nade or taser

[azure prawn]

i mean nades and stuff

[grave saddle]

maybe try pyro nade

[vapid frost]

I personally use goo nade bc it is swag as hell

[azure prawn]

i need to buy the vanish bomb i guess

[grave saddle]

yep vanish is good you could try flash to

[azure prawn]

so far i use pyro nade, smoke and detection
so ill add vanish to it

[grave saddle]

could add the flash

[azure prawn]

yea i u se flash sometimes too

[vapid frost]

I personally dont use it, but if you like the in and out style, gateway is almost a must

[grave saddle]

true

[vapid frost]

It has good supportive capabilities too

[azure prawn]

any advice on playing the knives?

[vapid frost]

Uhhh, shoot their heads

[vale obsidian]

"gitgud" xD

[azure prawn]

is there a mechanic to it? like can i charge it or smth

[grave saddle]

and dash around and try to use the meele aim assist the get the aim right

[vapid frost]

Keep in mind that they are not hitscan, and you have a secondary chargeable attack

[azure prawn]

is the charge usable?

[vapid frost]

Yes, I think you should enter/start fights with the attack charged

[azure prawn]

aight
i should trty to get as close as possible right?

[vale obsidian]

@azure prawn you asking too much question my friend
its so much more fun to try shit out yourself rather then just asking for it

[grave saddle]

yes close is the win

[azure prawn]

bro thats just me
im a very curious person

[grave saddle]

same

[vapid frost]

As long as they arent melee, yeah

[vale obsidian]

keep that ceriousity for when you experimentation with loadout my freind
those are the most fun part of the game imo

[grave saddle]

and dont try to snipe with the alt fire its really bad

[azure prawn]

oh the charge? alright
any other advice?

[vapid frost]

Have fun

[grave saddle]

nope just play some quickcash and figure it out

[azure prawn]

Alright, thanks a lot guys!! ❤️

[vapid frost]

👍

[grave saddle]

your welcome @azure prawn have fun!

[vale obsidian]

stfu its a casual game play the game have fun if you ever feel a little too tilted just go for a walk and come back
nothing more tbh

[grave saddle]

rude

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah didn't think about that sorry

[grave saddle]

its ok

[vapid frost]

@azure prawn How did it go?

[azure prawn]

Took a break, now ill try it

[vapid frost]

Oh, ok

[restive plover]

Wouldn't be worth it.

[vapid frost]

True, the game is really chaotic so I don't think that brings much value.

[plain wasp]

What if it also added range

[vapid frost]

Wouldn't it defeat the purpose of the silence? after all you can stay further away

Or maybe not, Idk how much sound "falls off" with distance

[azure prawn]

Dmed you

[sacred socket]

nerf m11

[lofty sky]

Can someone help me understand why long distance weapons like the pike and lh1 is allowed to be good close and far away. And has a high fire rate plus alot of dmg per mag. I play revolver ALOT. I have 6 shots, WHY CANT I HAVE SOME MORE DMG AT RANGE. Ty or make it worse for everyone else I am willing to make that sacrifice too

[nimble stump]

CL-40 are cheat asf and you want the m11 nerf ????

[sacred socket]

i am no expert but i think revolvers are more like close range stuff but idk

[sacred socket]

idc i just want the No Skill sprayer thing out of here😫😫

[nimble stump]

skill issue, if you can't kill m11 sprayer dont go play with guys who play it good

[fleet brook]

You literally out dps/outrange them with any decent weapon

[nimble stump]

2 grenades for kill light and middle

[sacred socket]

i got sprayed from another roof bro

[sacred socket]

i never hit anything w them

[nimble stump]

nothing more easy bro

[sacred socket]

also im kinda cheeks at the game even tho im level 56

[fleet brook]

Can't get sprayed by a grenade launcher

[sacred socket]

but by m11

[nimble stump]

skill issue bro there is nothing more imprecise than the m11

you can't get sprayed for this range with the m11

or maybe cheater btw

[sacred socket]

ion know stop bullying me for being shambles

[nimble stump]

what character and weapon do you play ?

[sacred socket]

i got into throwing knives again recently but i also like pike, famas or akimbo pistols

and before the Change i loved the dagger

[nimble stump]

pike famas and you get kill by m11 across roof ?

[sacred socket]

i was playing knives that round

[sacred socket]

wbu

[nimble stump]

yeah, go train your aim at the boot camp btw

[restive blade]

day 6 of asking for a wig suit for light

[left ravine]

does the revolver have a skin where it brings the animations too ?

[boreal laurel]

The new pirate pistol skin has different animations. The wooden stick revolver probably does too (IDK for sure though)

[boreal laurel]

Yes please

[split kettle]

yes please

[split kettle]

because revolvers arent DMRs

but yeah the revolver should get a small range buff imo

[eager wasp]

Yes, the damage drop off is crazy steep

[silver kiln]

no fucking way u want m11 nerfed but use the PIKE , FAMAS and Deagles ?? those are quite literally the definition of light repellent. . . the pike 2-3 taps a light and so do Deagles , the famas 1 bursts a light with all 3 shots or usually 2 bursts the m11 requires you have the accuracy to hit most of your magazine to even 1 clip while the pike has 100% accuracy hipfire and the famas has near that for hipfire too. literally light got absolutely butt fucked this season , and players who can't keep up with skill diff are the reason for that

[shut bane]

It’s perfect

Deagles, pike, m11, they’re all perfect

[tall fog]

I am about to lose my mind trying to get kills with pumkins. I've had pumkins bounce off of people, explode on people with no damage, and hit thin brushes and explode in my face

[fleet brook]

Another day another light player complaining about being weak to burst weapons

[restive plover]

Famas does not one burst, two bursts is the very minimum

Either or.

Heal beam is the best regardless of what weapon you run anyhow.

Heal is still better.

Dematerializer is lots of fun though.

[drowsy pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984566553246834778/1301885138786844712/caption-135.gif

[restive plover]

I prefer it to open up unpunishable sightlines on pike/famas.

[fleet brook]

Heal is objectively better but if you want to ice fish demat

[grave saddle]

it really is

[feral scroll]

So we all know the breach gun for light right? Why doesn't it do a small amount of fire damage if we pass by it

[languid crag]

gel blaster skin for revolver

[spark igloo]

objectively correct spec tier list

except move grapple to C

[brave canyon]

Does anyone know what it's like now, once you reach Emerald rank in WT, do you get the weapon skins again?

[grave saddle]

No I dont know what its like right now that might be a good thing to send to eggmail though

Anybody have a good loadout for APS turret thats fits with meta

[mighty orbit]

Turret in f and mesh in c might be the worst takes I’ve ever seen

[spark igloo]

turret does nothing half the time and the other half you can just throw goo at it

[mighty orbit]

And dash and cloak are pretty wrong too ngl

[spark igloo]

cloak is the only consistently good light spec rn. Dash kinda eats shit in high ranks

[mighty orbit]

Turret does nothing if you just leave it on its own sure, but if you think about it more than 1 second turret is actually decent. Still the worst m spec tho

[spark igloo]

well SOMETHING had to go in F

[mighty orbit]

Also I think demat is a s tbh

[spark igloo]

realistically turret is like D but it's the worst spec uncontested so like

[spark igloo]

demat would be S if heal beam didnt exist. heal is just WAY too important

[mighty orbit]

Man turrets ain’t that bad fr, you just gotta play with em. Goo gun would be the f if I HAD to choose one tbh

[spark igloo]

bunkering just isnt that good sadly

I rarely see turrets making a considerable difference in a fight

especially because my entire comp plays goo grenade so turrets are rarely in the fight for more than 2 seconds

[restive plover]

If the fight ever moves you just don't have a specialization anymore.
Even if it doesn't, they are easily disabled and circumvented.

I've been running it for a while because ENGIMO and while the occasional post mortem kill is funny, most of the time it's just a waste of space.

Doesn't have versatility or power. And even if it did, data reshaper exists.

[sinful dagger]

Its only alright against lights when they need to be finished off

[spark igloo]

but like

you could also just shoot them

[restive plover]

Me when I one tap the light with model shot + quick melee before the turret even realizes there's an enemy:

[hardy dust]

Turrets just do little while also having some of the best specs to contest with.

[fickle charm]

Bunkering is great to buy some time. It should however never be your entire plan.

[grizzled plover]

one of my favorite things to see is a bunkering team without an aps

[fickle charm]

The best use for turrets is intel. They are like glorified motion sensors

[cunning kettle]

motion sensors that lights also can also do a bit of damage

[hollow pumice]

whatever this chat is, i like it

[cunning wyvern]

KILL TRIPLE MEDIUM ITS THE ONLY THING I SEE I JUST HAD A MATCH OF ONLY TRIPLE MEDIUMS

[silver grail]

Some kind of health potion gadget would be nice

Just a more nerfed type of heal maby slower recharge to make heal beam more viable

[vale obsidian]

"i like this channal" (the very next masage)
KILL TRIPLE MEDIUM ITS IT EVERY MATCH!!!!!!!
lol

[vale obsidian]

imo the best use for turrets is turret armor
stand behind it so it body block any bullet your way

[maiden atlas]

I feel like the m11 definitely needs a bit of a nerf

[heady kindle]

Ks23 needs a buff of some kind but I don't even know what part needs buffing. It's just not solid enough

[crimson veldt]

How can I increase the rank of Specializations?

Do they consume regular XP?

[limber raven]

Dash is definitely a tier

[spark igloo]

dash when I just shoot them

[brazen mango]

real

[timber igloo]

Use them rhats how to wank them up and it's the only way to

[crimson veldt]

So basically, every time I use Cloaking Device, it will level up?

[sleek dock]

Ye

[lofty sky]

Demat is S tier man

[timber igloo]

Yeah

[fleet brook]

Destruction the amount of rounds it takes to destroy something is laughable and rpm or reload buff

[worn smelt]

grapple more like B. it's a lot better than it looks especially when using something like lh1

[fossil sierra]

is this all good?

i use the grapple a lot simply for movement are there better options?

[fleet brook]

Grapple is the only on demand and versatile vertical movement tool in the game

Using it strictly for horizontal movement and not vertical/diagonals is such a waste ngl

[fossil sierra]

ok cool so should i keep using it?

[fleet brook]

Yeah but I say try and get better about using verticality with it / diagonal

[fossil sierra]

thanks!

[brazen mango]

depends on what you want out of the game

you can quite comfortably play everything this game has to offer with Light without ever touching cloak, but you just wont have a chance if you fight genuinely good Teams in ranked when you are running dash or grapple

[shell sonnet]

i thought cloak was useless at high elo?

everyone always said you get spotted instantly

and considering im getting beamed if i dare move my pinky toe, id agree atm

[brazen mango]

its the polar opposite

cloak is THE best light spec at high elo, you just have to be good at using it

Cloak has one of the biggest skill gaps in the game as far as Specs go

[shell sonnet]

then i have no clue whats going on

i always see cloak lights running around with it, pretty obvious to see
thats why my intention when i started using cloak recently was to just sneak about, so its as little visible as possible
kinda suprise the enemy by doing something they arent used to/expect

its working pretty well against a lot of people
but sometimes im literally standing still, move half a meter while crouch walking and instantly get beamed

even at times where i mask the cloak noise whith something loud thats currently happening

[sour pelican]

Please nerf the sledgehammer Embark😭🙏

[shut bane]

If you’re too close to people while invis you’ll get heard easily, people will get aware and start looking for you

[shell sonnet]

cloak is less visible if you move slower
so the sound should be more silent too right?

[shut bane]

I don’t think thats how it works

[shell sonnet]

does it not?

[shut bane]

When a lights hiding from me I typically hear the same amount of noise when they’re crouched in some room

Assuming I get close enough

[heady kindle]

Rpm and reload are both pretty frustrating, but the destruction I disagree with kinda.

I think 3 shot arena damage is good, but the size of the hole it makes is as small as it gets. Not very useful.

I also think accuracy is a big problem. It's way too accurate to hipfire, and way too inaccurate to ads. A really horrible limbo of accuracy that has me missing damn near perfect shots all the time

[shell sonnet]

thats activation
im talking about that after

[fleet brook]

The destruction is bad because it takes 3 shots to make a dent

Meanwhile I could just sledge and I know that KS has the range destruction factor to it but it's just bad

[shell sonnet]

when the charge n slam heavy came around the corner and you moved to the box

i basically walked half that distance while crouch walking and the enemy started beaming me

[fleet brook]

It's muffled to less muffled depending on speed

[fleet brook]

Could've been cheating but meh

[shut bane]

I know after is what I’m talking about, cloak emits that sound the whole time lights are invis don’t they

[shell sonnet]

that was the intention
slowly waddle over and get a slightly better position
nope, instant death

[fleet brook]

Nope it just muffles all the sounds the light would normally be making

I think every action in the game causes noise even walking so it's not the cloak making the noise it's the sound of whatever the light is doing but muffled/ dimmed

[brazen mango]

dont crouchwalk with cloak its pointless

Crouchwalking makes the same audio as walking

probably never, gotta keep the tech hidden

[shell sonnet]

is it at least less visible?
because in the testing range it does seem like it

[brazen mango]

not really

prefference

[shell sonnet]

or sometimes i hide behind a doorway, sitting completely still
and a medium (that didnt see me prior) comes though, instantly turns to me, and does the model 1+qm 1-shot

maybe they heard me beforehand
but that they can pinpoint where im sitting?

they cant be cheaters, its happening too often for that
so whats wrong

[brazen mango]

would have to see specific clips to tell you

[shell sonnet]

like, sometimes im just sitting there cloaked and i randomly get shot at
not a stray, just straight up shot

[shell sonnet]

hold on a sec, gotta do smth

[brazen mango]

generally speaking, and this is gonna sound crazy

positioning well WITH cloak is harder than without against good teams, however the places WHERE you can position with cloak are a lot more, numerically speaking

cloak doesnt make positioning easier, if anything it makes a lot of it harder, but it opens up A LOT MORE positions you can take that would be batshit insane to be anywhere near without cloak.

[shut bane]

Ok get this, motion sensor

[shell sonnet]

does sound noticeably different to me

[copper loom]

idk tbh, there might be a slight different but who knows

[brazen mango]

it doesnt matter what first person sounds or looks like

[shell sonnet]

So just another thing thats misleading players for no reason?
Got it

[brazen mango]

pretty much

cloak is cool cuz it lets arrogant shitbags like myself say things like "the entire playerbase doesnt understand how it actually works" and its not even wrong

the entire gameplay loop around cloak revolves around understanding how, when and where to move and how the Audio affects your odds of being spotted

there has never been a "cloak guide" cuz even the best light players even completely understood the spec for A WHILE, I doubt Piggy ever knew of the existence of the strongest cloak tech we have rn

[spring oasis]

I'm ngl... I don't see it 😕

[brazen mango]

real!

[shell sonnet]

I guess the steriotype of light being selfish is overarching

Aint even sharing their own tech

[sand monolith]

Yeah cause it’ll get removed immediately because embark will do anything besides rework the light specs to be good by design

[stable smelt]

if you run the stungun you deserve to rot in hell that's all I know.

[fleet brook]

Grappling hook stay strong

[latent flower]

Grappling hook is overpowered

[muted compass]

We need perks in the finals, like wallrunning etc...

[stable smelt]

we need to just abolish the light class

[shut bane]

I’ll be sure to let embark know about this tech

[torn mason]

DId the double barrel get buffed? I'm getting two tapped from 20 feet away

[torn mason]

Honestly the game would play better without that class

[sour pelican]

It would not😭It would lose so many players

[torn mason]

We would only lose light players. Sounds like heaven to me 🥹

[sour pelican]

That's a crap ton of players tho

[torn mason]

I hate that you're right

[sour pelican]

And I wouldn't have my baby my sniper

[gilded obsidian]

finger gun skin for the akimbo

[stable smelt]

Fully agree

[stable smelt]

It would lose so many *bad players. Fixed it for you.

[sour pelican]

Yea ok the bad players that everyone hates bc were so op😭

[signal badger]

Just because you can’t play it doesn’t mean it’s a bad class

[sour pelican]

That's what I'm saying

[stable smelt]

Yes, the sword itself is a total exploit. And no I can play light no problem, that’s the issue. Anyone can play with broken exploitative weapons and equipment

[sour pelican]

As a light I despise the sword

[stable smelt]

We can agree on this. It’s a plague. A total cancer.

[sour pelican]

Yes

[signal badger]

I mainly play as light because its movement is fun. Sure I can be one shot by almost anything but that doesn’t make it useless.

[stable smelt]

WT would like a few words with you

[signal badger]

WT?

[sour pelican]

RIGHT like the other classes I feel like I can barely get anywhere bc they don't have movement

[stable smelt]

World Tour

[signal badger]

That’s my biggest problem when switching off light

[sour pelican]

Samee then I immediately switch back😭

Unless I gotta do contracts

[stable smelt]

It’s kinda like being born with beer goggles on. You never know until you take them off and then spend some time with them off. You get used to it and then realize you drive better without them 😂

[signal badger]

I have won as light with light in all mods, it’s rare but happens.

[sour pelican]

Uh

But I'm 100% postitive they won't take lights out

[stable smelt]

No ofc not. Its wishful thinking. But at least get rid of that sword and stun gun. Those are straight cancer

[sour pelican]

I AGREE I HATE THE STUN GUN

OR AT LEAST NERF IT

[stable smelt]

It’s for notalent clowns who can’t hit a moving target

[sour pelican]

Ikk like they can't even shoot a moving person

[stable smelt]

It’s range alone is a warcrime

[sour pelican]

I just realized I repeated what you said in different words😭🙏

[signal badger]

But you have to hit them with the stun gun. I personally don’t use it because you have to switch to it and then back to your weapon, it’s not worth it to use it.

[stable smelt]

Hitting with it aint hard

Keep it the same, but make it a melee to activate.

[signal badger]

No, but it is a one time use then you have to wait for it to recharge.

[sour pelican]

It's like the boogie bomb in fortnite you can't do nothing against it😭

[signal badger]

I definitely can understand limiting its range, but I personally have never had trouble fighting someone that used it.

[brave solar]

This exactly, well said. I started playing as a pure light main couldn’t swap because I felt too slow, but after I dedicated some time to heavy and really grinding it i don’t see it as much of a problem. I often times feel more rewarded when I do land movement techs like b hops and mantling windows because I’m eliminating that one gripe I had with playing the other two classes while keeping all the benefit of having 350 HP 😃

[astral meadow]

ikk

[tidal wyvern]

g

[small flicker]

g

[restive blade]

day 7 of asking for a wing suit for light

[spring oasis]

Dagger skin with a bipod
Goo Plane spec for heavy
quarter staff for medium

[paper sparrow]

buff xp

[worldly maple]

Smoke grenades on medium pls :3

[worldly maple]

Same here, I started as a light main, but switched to medium when I figured out how much I loved the 1887, at this point after using him for a while, the jump pad gives me all the mobility I need to succeed

[boreal laurel]

Leave my sword alone

Also if you want never to have a problem with sword players again, just play flamethrower 🔥🔥🔥

[worldly maple]

China lake my beloved

[fleet brook]

No

XP had its time in the sun it's a no skill weapon

[worldly maple]

XP?

[winged pendant]

Quick question, wasn't there a list asking you what weapons etc you wanted to see in the next battle pass?

[worldly maple]

Ohhh the MP5

Yeah no that thing doesn’t need any more buffs

[signal badger]

Ya there is. It doesn’t show for me so a friend just sent me the link

[worldly maple]

Oohh

Can I have the list too?

[signal badger]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSddebaWDtdeZyf--fiG6io9KxvnUL7NB245JZJd3XAZvR0TaA/viewform

[paper sparrow]

the gun is horrid now tf ?

[fleet brook]

Horrid is crazy it's not KS level

Wanna know how I know because people remember that the XP exist

[worldly maple]

Thanks!

[tired minnow]

why are the akimbos a heavy weapon

[boreal laurel]

‘Cause the community asked for them

[fleet brook]

What else would you give them from the set

It would make sense for light or medium to handle the recoil of dual weilding deagles

Medium has trouble controlling a revolvers recoil they jolt

[calm turtle]

I say give the light a 50 cal sniper👍

[crisp heart]

@box7531#0000 light and medium can't handle the recoil of the double handcannons

[fleet brook]

Light gets mostly small guns and mediums biggest handgun is a revolver

[restive blade]

a 50cal would be to powerful with light and its movement

[stable smelt]

Never will I leave it alone, BUT I will make a note of the flamethrower, thank you.

[fickle charm]

Double barrel is way scarier than sword

[vale obsidian]

*when all shot land lol

[shut bane]

Erm, your 7th shot didn’t land

[copper axle]

Can we ban this guy for that crosshair

[vale obsidian]

i won't have commit such crime had we have a static crosshair

[haughty haven]

Rob has already spoken on this, as long as it doesn’t change game files it is allowed under there terms to use any 3rd party crosshair.

[vale obsidian]

wait they really said that?

[haughty haven]

Yes, aslong as you don’t tamper with game files so monitor crosshairs etc.

[wooden glade]

I don’t mean to be rude but am I the only one having a stroke trying to read this?

[haughty haven]

Lucky me it pulled an Uno reverse on my stroke.

[vale obsidian]

translation: i wouldn't use such horrible looking crosshair if the in game crosshair isn't so bad

[wooden glade]

I see I see, thank you for helping me, my brain is sometimes unable to process lol

[languid crag]

revolver or pistol skin concept

[normal ice]

true

[haughty haven]

Looked into it more, some 3rd party crosshairs can still trigger anti-cheat and get you possibly banned, I’m unable to find the tweet they posted about it before so maybe better to be safe than sorry, If your monitor has a built in crosshair though that will be completely safe.

[normal ice]

I don't understand why they can't just have an option to keep the in-game crosshair visible when aiming down sights/scopes

[vale obsidian]

what baffle me more is why they can't code a png on a screen

its legit the first thing you learn in coding

[cyan bobcat]

Weapon concept for medium: Springfield 1866
❓The first ever cartridge gun made. Single shot, high risk, high reward.
🩸DMG: 110 body | 220 head
⏱️Reload: 3.2s
🔥RPM: 19 max.
🎯DMG falloff start: 34m (-0%) | max falloff: 39m (-25%)
✨Cosmetic look: default could be a modernized version like Embark did w/ Famas (og famas is much bulkier) and Model 1887.

Thoughts?

[vale obsidian]

nah man medium (the support class btw) should not have such a powerful range let alone a burst damage one

prob should give it to light as a sniper side grade

@normal ice theres a long ass cooldown there so let talk here

[vale obsidian]

my spoon is bigger

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991

[cyan bobcat]

Size doesnt matter my friend

[vale obsidian]

but how much ice cream can you get with one scoop tho

[cyan bobcat]

Anyways, the springfield 1866 is single shot, in case you misinterpreted it for bolt-action. The huge dmg i put on the stats is because it would be pointless without it. I also chose 1866 instead of just a flintlock rifle because of the 30s reload of flintlocks.

[vale obsidian]

but we all know how everyone feel about sniper right?

this is a more extreme version of it so its going to be really really frustrating to fight

i think it should just be a dmr with less damage
like a pike with much slower fire rate a bit high damage and small mag (compaired to pike)

[cyan bobcat]

Thats why it woulnt be on heavy. But you could make it more unique for example:
Reducing the dmg to 80 body and 160 headshot and giving it something like a bayonet to encourage CQB fights

The bayonet would give it like a +10-20 bash dmg bonus

[vale obsidian]

i see this gun would be like a sniper for medium even with all this change
so if it have a bayonet it prob should do bleed damage so the light coming for our 1866 user would have to stay out and wait for reegen for longer if they play really poorly agenist 1866

very small damage so light wouldn't be likely to die to it but it last for a bit

[cyan bobcat]

Ive posted in the past a few concepts of guns like Gewehr 98 w/ a bayonet and bayonet charge, but ppl have complainet about the dmg/rpm ratio being OP.
So i made this concept, which is w/ a gun that literally doesnt even have more than 1 round in it and still, youre complaining about dmg being too high even when i lower it so much its dps is LOWER than pike's

Truly, we live in a society.

[vale obsidian]

it is balance i'll give you that
but what im more focus on is "how fun it is too fight"
going form 250hp to 10hp in a blink of an eye is just not fun
even the body shot doing 110 thats half of your health and you can't enage anymore or worst you think you're save to peek at half hp to do a bit of supporting damage then yu died out of no where

so you now have to pay FULL Attention on that one guy, listening out for that one gun shot before making a play
which if they just don't shoot and hold on to their shot for ever. you just sitting ther behind cover not playing the game

[crude sage]

Nerf flamethrower all i have to say 😂

[vale obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183069658086117447/1289292236634194050/Card.gif?width=832&height=468

[crude sage]

U definitely use flamethrower

[vale obsidian]

i've only play heavy like max 10 game this whole season

[crude sage]

I use light

[vale obsidian]

im more so enjoy fighting flamee cus they're feel kill

[vale obsidian]

keep range?

[crude sage]

Dont need

[vale obsidian]

yeah that why you want a flame nerf

make sense

[cyan bobcat]

I see, you must be a sword or dagger user

[crude sage]

Xp-54

or throwing knifes

[cyan bobcat]

Abomination

[crude sage]

Better than heavy

[vale obsidian]

you have all the range in the world to stay away form the heavy
you have all the mobility in the game to stay away form the heavy

[crude sage]

What if there on cash out

[cyan bobcat]

Yet you complain about the worst heavy weapon

[haughty haven]

You definitely have a skill issue then,if a slow ass heavy can get into range for flamethrower that means your movement is horrid

[vale obsidian]

JUST SHOOT HIM SO HE FK OFF

[crude sage]

Casually defending cash and some big guy comes in with a flamethrower

[crude sage]

Then they wip out the barrier

[haughty haven]

Light shouldn’t be sitting on point….

[crude sage]

well i actually play objective

[haughty haven]

Play around it not on it you’re not heavy smh

[crude sage]

My team is ass most of the time

[vale obsidian]

one less barricade your team need to get throw
now flank around that barricade and make him waste another

[crude sage]

[cyan bobcat]

You mean you dont cooperate with them

[crude sage]

when they are afk good one pal

[vale obsidian]

nah i'll give him that one
match making works on hopes and pairs

[crude sage]

Literally

[cyan bobcat]

Only if you dont have friends

[haughty haven]

I mean if I saw a light using xp or throwing knifes die to a flamethrower heavy id probably be afk laughing my ass off.

[vale obsidian]

(joke btw)
https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-17550107775956741096

[crude sage]

Only know 1 of my mate who plays finals

[crude sage]

Beg u 2v2 me

[vale obsidian]

like losing to a flame heavy as light is just like

idk how its possible

[cyan bobcat]

Jokes on you, i have 5!

[crude sage]

Final’s isnt popular like games like call of duty

[vale obsidian]

YO TIME OUT PATCH NOTE HERE

[haughty haven]

Yep you’re a light player for sure

[crude sage]

And ur heavy for sure

[haughty haven]

Nah I play med

[cyan bobcat]

Its too revolutionary

[vale obsidian]

rolsiem begin

[plucky spade]

Pike nerfed again les go

[restive plover]

And a heal beam nerf because the support class shouldn't be good at support woohoo!

[vale obsidian]

will it stick to shield now?

[haughty haven]

Cant wait till he figures out light has smoke and can counter flamethrower lol.

[vale obsidian]

maybe they see meds as dps that can heal :(

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-dog-meme-dog-memes-shiver-me-timbers-gif-23691933

[vale obsidian]

smoke don't counter flame thrower tho?

[bitter surge]

Were the changes to the healing beam necessary ? I mean it’s not that OP of an ability

[cyan bobcat]

Ive read that suffocating on nitrogen gas is the most pleasant way to go

[restive plover]

That's not how macho servicemen do it.

[haughty haven]

Cancels the afterburn, and clutters there vision pretty bad, good luck tracking a fast light through smoke and fire.

[fossil meadow]

if you go to practice range and shoot the flame thrower in smoke its a much shorter range, also fire is imideatly extinguished from smoke, kinda like the fire + gas mechaninc

[cyan bobcat]

True men kill 100 civilians w/ a c4 vest

[vale obsidian]

nah i thought it smoke only effect the enviorment and not gun

also what is this and we had it before?

[fossil meadow]

you can test it but last time i checked it also messes with the max range attack, literally cripples flame thrower

[lime salmon]

when are they nerfing the sword?

[fossil meadow]

i hope soon

[vale obsidian]

yeah like right now even

[ember prawn]

They literally just did

[hallow leaf]

they fixed the riot shield and dual blades are still forgotten

[fossil meadow]

lol yea that was a problem

[hallow leaf]

it took them 4 seasons to fix that, by this logic we will see a dual blades buff in season 8

[ember prawn]

september 2025 here we come

[icy forge]

I am level 5 on Riot and I played it since s2 and honestly, dual blades are just a lesser good version of riot shield, first, they should have better dmg and allow you to dash with the secondary, deflecting bullets while taking dmg is just ass and doesn't give any value but losing hp and maybe getting dmg if you are lucky, just play riot, it got buffed this patch, when it could just be lit on fire was awful because you had no choice but die of fire dmg, now, we are almost good.

[fleet brook]

Damage traded for range

But at a certain point it's either gonna feel bad to use and it'll just be a long range peashooter or the model will have better burst from mid-range than it

[drowsy osprey]

i really dont get that change at all. its a single shot weapon so landing close range shots isnt free but without great damage no one is using it for range

just seems like a dead weapon to me now

[drowsy osprey]

honestly melee on medium just doesnt work

[plucky spade]

Bruh who is gonna use pike from 80 smthin meters

[hallow leaf]

Medium needs a frost impact grenade that slows people

[drowsy osprey]

especially with its 47 damage 💀

[hallow leaf]

That would help med melee so much

[drowsy osprey]

i like the idea but i dont want another taser in the game

i think even a single use speed boost could work, just something to close small distances

[hallow leaf]

Both stun gun and winch claw slows, so why can't med have a slowing item?

[drowsy osprey]

stun gun is miserable to go against 🙃

[hallow leaf]

I agree but still

[drowsy osprey]

idm claw though

[hallow leaf]

Med either needs a slowing gadget or a speed boost gadget

Or give med stun gun

[drowsy osprey]

id prefer speed boost

like i said a single use speedboost would be cool, not like a dash but just a ms increase for a second or so

[hallow leaf]

Give med a can on ospoze that gives you a speed boost when you drink it

[plucky spade]

Cuh they did not need to destroy it's damage, just lower the rpm. That way it feels more rewarding, slows you down without making you feel like a peashooter

[drowsy osprey]

yeah i agree, i feel like they didnt know what to do with it

[fleet brook]

Wanna be sniper players

Sniper support essentially

[plucky spade]

If I'd have to guess though on some of their choices, imagine coming from battlefield, and having to design gameplay around less people, in smaller maps. I feel like that plays a big role in how they design the gameplay

[honest void]

Has anyone completed this task? I don't understand how to do it!!! 😦 (Eliminate 5 opponents from 30 meters or more using gadgets 0-5)
Help plse.🦝 🥲

[fickle charm]

Play heavy and rpg lights

[honest void]

this is the only option that I think is suitable, but it doesn't work out to be 30 meters 😦
are there no other options?

[fierce aspen]

id go nades, you could theoretically do lots of things though, use a pad to launch mines, put down c4 then run from it, would probably be easy to do in power shift with a dedicated loadout

[polar trout]

Play light with a gateway and grenades, put a gateway above your cashout, go away by the required distance, when someone starts stealing place the other gate and spam nades thru the gateway.

[fleet brook]

It'd be more time effective to use grenades or mines

[sand monolith]

Needs an AOE speed boost special

[fleet brook]

I don't even know if you can throw grenades that far but RPG is unreliable

[fleet brook]

Specialization -Adrenaline boost
Effect shoot an ally with a dart giving them an immense speed up after 5-10 seconds ally is slowed by 30% for 2-4 seconds
Amounts of usage - the dart gun is given a dart every 10 seconds

[drowsy osprey]

or even a adrenaline shot to boost yourself

[azure shuttle]

red dot for 93R please.

[fleet brook]

I don't like selfish utility and I think that'd belong more on light then a support like med

[sand monolith]

Should be AOE so it boosts the entire team like Lucio

[plain yoke]

The movement speed while aiming down sights with a revolver, AKM, and sniper rifle is the same, all covering 10 meters in 5 seconds. This means it’s actually only affected by the character type? Honestly, the revolver, being such a cool weapon, feels too heavy to use because its aiming movement speed is the same as that of rifles and sniper rifles. I hope that different weapon types have different aiming movement speeds to create more varied gameplay experiences.

[fleet brook]

That'd be hard as if you're running any amount of distance people would fall out of effect and pick it up randomly also if it was more personal the boost could be larger

Sure as a light I might enjoy a 10- 15% speed buff for being around my medium and having to stop running every so often but I would definitely prefer 30% for a bit

[drowsy osprey]

they dropped the idea of med being support back when they took away all their support gadgets. I dont hate the idea of a team boost but honestly medium needs something to make melee viable on them so thats why i was suggesting ways for them to boost themselves

[sand monolith]

Solo speed boost would just be used on SA heavies exclusively

Just have the effect linger

[fleet brook]

If you're playing Meta and trying to optimize everything you do down to the core and could guarantee a stack and the weapons they're running maybe . But realistically it would get spread around because not every situation is the ideal situation

Also as a player I prefer a larger speed boost over a small speed boost

It'd have to be smaller because it's applying to the whole team

And if you're in pubs (which most people are ranked players are the minority and sweats a minority within that minority) imagine speed boosting a sword light

Also grouping is rarer in the majority of my games that's why I prefer a dart

[drowsy osprey]

tbf i think thats more of a sword issue

[fleet brook]

I'm bringing up the synergy of sword (any melee user) getting hit with a speed dart from your medium

[drowsy osprey]

speed boosting melee would be the most valuable use imo

[fleet brook]

Or any close range weapon or if they're so dedicated to making pike ranged give medium a way to far range support by hitting you with a long range dart

[drowsy osprey]

playing away from your team isnt very smart, idk if i like the idea of encouraging that

[vale obsidian]

i wish we have a stim like doc form r6
but it only give + %speed or 50 over health

[velvet pumice]

please, nerf uzi gun.

[vale obsidian]

if its too extreme then cut the effect in half and give it 2 charge

[vale obsidian]

thats is like light most balance gun...

[fleet brook]

Dart gun essentially but close range

[vale obsidian]

yee

im bored of arging projectile tho so if i can choose i'd make it a straight moving projectile with falloffs

[silk crystal]

CL-40 grenade launcher it's broken 💔, why enemies with low life recieve damage immunity against CL40 ?

[vale obsidian]

maybe cus you rush your shoot in panic of they might get away

[silk crystal]

U haven't seen my screen 🤦‍♂️ u don't know what u talking about , i might record it to show it here

[vale obsidian]

that why i said "maybe"
cus its the most posible thing i can think off

[silk crystal]

Well u are wrong 🤷‍♂️

[vale obsidian]

mb then fam

[boreal laurel]

So how hard do the nerfs feel my friends?

[peak ferry]

they nerfed 1 of only 2 viable weapons for light lol so you can only uze uzi now, sword is thrash

[drowsy osprey]

literally all of lights weapons are good

[restive plover]

Lh1 has remained the best light weapon since forever. M26 is also good for a triple shotgun team.

[drowsy osprey]

yeah LH1 is insane

[drowsy osprey]

sad they killed the pike but seeing saber get nerfed was nice

[restive plover]

Not really. XP, dagger, and 93r are garbage, throwing knives and v9s are just "alright."

[boreal laurel]

I see it the other way honestly… 😄

[boreal laurel]

V9S is busted bro

[drowsy osprey]

93r is great, ik most people struggle with it but its legit one of my favorite guns

[restive plover]

It is categorically worse than the FAMAS, a medium weapon, in literally every way.

It is totally unsuited for light.

[drowsy osprey]

its still a very strong weapon imo, i have no problems with it

i didnt like it until the most recent changes they did to it though

[restive plover]

I'm glad you think it's fun but it's really not strong at all.

[drowsy osprey]

yeah idk, i like it and it doesnt feel weak at all to me but i know literally no one uses it so maybe im just weird. i used to enjoy dagger a lot too but the most recent changes make it feel so clunky

[sharp reef]

The 93R could really use that 1 damage increase

[drowsy osprey]

i definitely wouldnt mind a buff if people think it needs it. with how strong the famas is i dont see why they couldnt buff the 93r

[sharp reef]

Famas has the scope, more range, less recoil, more bullets, only thing it worse against the 93r is the reload speed and hipfire

[drowsy osprey]

honestly both guns have pretty crazy hipfire. its the main thing i like about both of them

[sharp reef]

Yea, but 93r is better in that. I really feel like it just needs that boost from 24 to 25 damage per hit

[drowsy osprey]

i certainly wouldnt be complaining

[drowsy osprey]

what makes the xp so bad? i dont often use it but i remember it used to be the main gun every light used

[sharp reef]

People complain that you no longer melt Heavies and Mediums so easily on AR range

[prisma sail]

Damage nerf

[drowsy osprey]

that doesnt entirely sound like a bad thing lol

[sharp reef]

Aka they complain that they have to play the purpose of the light role, the hit and reposition

[drowsy osprey]

crazy, light players complaining? i would have never imagined

[sharp reef]

I love doing the hit and run with the bigmac11 and the lh1, just works as intended

[drowsy osprey]

lh1 grapple is my main light build, its crazy fun

[sharp reef]

I use dash primarily, I go in the open to deal massive chip damage and dash back into cover

[amber ermine]

I don't understand this nerf for the pike in the latest patch , the fact that you have to 4 tap a light for a kill is crazy especially with a weapon that has slow fire rate , and the fact that you have to 3 tap headshots to kill a light is just insane, this pike nerf doesn't make any sense

[restive plover]

It got a really severe damage nerf.

[drowsy osprey]

i wouldnt say slow fire rate but yeah the damage nerf was crazy

[restive plover]

Substantially worse at both close and mid range.

Like, worse than the m11.

[drowsy osprey]

its always felt worse than the m11 to me. usually the only time i use it is when i get bored of the m11 lol

[restive plover]

Or it was after the first adjustment. Not sure how the recent range extension changed things, but it still kills too slowly for what it is.

[restive plover]

It killed way too fast in short to mid ranges for long range dmr. I would have much preferred a firerate nerf, but it is what it is.

[drowsy osprey]

yeah i definitely think a firerate nerf would have been the way to go

[shut bane]

4 taps for a light? Lmao

[sharp reef]

It's what it needed, you could melt people across the entirety of africa with that XP.

Now it's fair towards the other automatic mid-range guns because you still have the highest firerate out of all mid-range weapons (Like AK, FCAR, LMGs)

[amber ermine]

and 3 for headshot 😭

[shut bane]

Back to revolver ig

[amber ermine]

yeah basically

[sharp reef]

Honestly the damage nerf for pike was needed imo. Even when I rather would've appreciated heavy recoil like the LH1 when spammed

[amber ermine]

I'm not a pike main but this is just sad ngl for a weopon with alot of potential

[sharp reef]

But man was it frustrating as a light to die in 3 shots in cqc because of lucky pike hipfire spam

[drowsy osprey]

idk for a mid range dmr its damge just sucks

[shut bane]

It’s obsolete compared to lh1 now

[restive plover]

It never outperformed the rifles at midrange, contrary to popular belief.

[sharp reef]

Oh boy are you wrong.

[amber ermine]

it did on release, but they nerfed the recoil and now the damage

[shut bane]

They had already nerfed the damage after release, it was busted then

[restive plover]

But it was superior at range compared to guns like the m11 and v9s without sacrificing too much close range power, and was no where near as painful to use as the lh1.

[drowsy osprey]

the recoil has always been my issue with the xp

[shut bane]

Is the sword feeling any different? My guess is that the changes only made the timing requirement tighter without touching the hit boxes

[drowsy osprey]

this game was crazy on release lmao

[amber ermine]

ngl the last patch was probably the most balanced one

[restive plover]

No lol. At 27 meters, before any rifles started their falloff, it would kill a medium in 1.5 seconds. Akm does it in 1.2, FAMAS in 1.16.

To say nothing of what those rifles would do in a direct engagement with an xp light at that range.

[shut bane]

Im curious as to what the community will bitch about now, it’d be funny if it was another medium rifle, actually, deagles are probably next on the chopping block

[amber ermine]

kill time is not the only factor, hitting all the bullets was easier on the pike after release

[restive plover]

Model's main problems are unchanged, so that's probably going to continue.

[sharp reef]

Remember you are talking raw numbers. In an actual fight, especially if a light gets the drop on you, you barely have any chance to react before 70% of your hp was gone and they either went invis or dashed into cover

[drowsy osprey]

model didnt have any problems, that nerf was so random

[shut bane]

3 body shots to kill a light is clearly the solution

[restive plover]

Pike also had pretty much identical times to kill before the most recent damage nerf.

[sharp reef]

I was able to destroy whole teams with the Hit and run XP dash strategy. It was so stupidly strong on AR range

[restive plover]

Light should kill you if they get the drop on you, that is their job.

But the XP still killed slower than rifles at mid range. That is just a fact.

[restive plover]

Model gives too much close range power to medium, who ought only to be stronger at mid to long.

The range nerf fixed none of this, and model is still hard meta.

[drowsy osprey]

meta over any of their rifles? definitely not. its a shotgun with a tight spread, it preforms about as youd expect

[restive plover]

It absolutely is.

[sharp reef]

A light should make you disorganized and hurt. But not outright destroy just because he got one out of the 57638 correct positions and angles

[drowsy osprey]

its not better than the akm and its not better than the famas

[restive plover]

It is lol. You get to run full support medium and face-check heavies.

Model has been top 1 since the end of season two.

[sharp reef]

Model is stupidly strong, but it's really only the range that makes it powerful

128 damage is the same as the M26 Mass and its not nearly as powerful as the model because of it's shorter damage range and worse spread

[drowsy osprey]

m26 fires faster

[shut bane]

Is the lack of penalty for moving with it imo

[restive plover]

M26 does less damage. 121 vs 128. And their range is pretty similar now.

[sharp reef]

Their range is not similar at all, lol

[restive plover]

Not another bad hat Ben.

[sharp reef]

M26 mass has a bigger spread and faster damage fall-off

You cannot get the same 75-100~ damage shots at range like the model can

[restive plover]

Their falloff range is the same, from 15 meters to 25. And their falloff is also similar, 60℅ for the model and 64℅ for the matter.

I would give model a slight edge for the spread, but it's hardly a world of difference now that that was also nerfed.

[drowsy osprey]

also lights typically play closer anyway, i never found the spread mattering much on the m26

[restive plover]

Model's problem is being a generic close range blaster of a shotgun that is attached to a class meant to be a mid range support.

It simply doesn't work.

[drowsy osprey]

lights have shotguns and snipers

[restive plover]

But hey heal beam nerf lmaooooooooooo

Support class keeps shotgun but keeps losing sustain.

And 2/3 of their ars languish in mediocrity.

[shut bane]

Whether it’s meant to be this or that at range depends on embark tbh, to me it doesn’t seem like they care much about keeping every class in line with their respective “ranges”, just in weapon characteristics

[drowsy osprey]

i think giving classes more options is fun