💣┇weapons-gadgets

[languid crag]

what about a trench gun for heavy with the melee being the bayonet

[bronze spade]

the akm should be reworked into having a slower rate of fire and high headshot damage

while the fcar functions more like a m4

[sand monolith]

Should be Fcar imo. It already has longer range. The AKM is kinda perfect where it’s at rn. I doubt they’ll ever rework it considering how popular it is

[bronze spade]

AKM just doesnt feel like a AK

[sand monolith]

Most of the weapons kinda feel different than their normal representation in games

[languid crag]

what about a non sawed off double barrel for the heavy

[sand monolith]

I think the actual model of the scar is a heavier version that should be shooting much slower than it is? Idk some gun nerd told me that

I could also be wrong I have no idea

[bronze spade]

its kinda upsetting that my main weapon doesnt get the proper buff

93r

[sand monolith]

Cuz embark added it before they knew what to do with it

Which is why they really need to just slow down on primary weapons

[languid crag]

double barrel shotgun for heavy?

[bronze spade]

ks23 is your closet

[languid crag]

it fires slugs

thats what the ks23 does

[bronze spade]

i still think its odd on heavy gotten the deagles

[languid crag]

yeah

why the deagles

[bronze spade]

the lewis is still being over looked

one of the most annoying things embark has ever did for balance was recoil pattern changes

day 1 the akm gets changed

[languid crag]

the mac 11 has like zero recoil

[bronze spade]

that gun was the worst in beta

its the few guns they actually got right by change

whats fixed leave it alone

[normal ice]

Cloak is too easy to see/hear and honestly just acts as a crutch for lower ELOs. The mobility dash or grapple give you is actually a gameplay advantage unlike being slightly harder to see. If you really want to crutch on being hard to see, anyway, there's always Vanish Bomb. But not that many gadgets can give you tricky movement like dash or grapple can

I really wish they would make invisibility truly invisible and/or truly silent and then balance it around that. The way it is right now is just an accessibility killer and nothing else. It's not fun to spot someone using Cloak, and it's not fun being spotted, either.

[bronze spade]

if you stand still, its still effective

[normal ice]

It's better, yes, but it's still technically visible and audible. And people have spotted me even while being completely still like that

[fleet brook]

It would either need to make you slower or last insanely short amount of time

True invisibility on command would be the most annoying thing in the game

And randomly getting one shot by dagger would just make people rage

Imagine getting hit by a light burst weapon from nowhere

[normal ice]

Well, if we're assuming it made you truly invisible and silent, then they could make it give you a period of being unable to attack when uncloaking (like Team Fortress 2) and/or a damage nerf for a second. Hell, I don't mind if they staple on instantly dying when shot while invisible, too. At least the ability would be consistent and I know for a fact people can't just spot me 40m away

[fleet brook]

Tbf then you'd just end up with worse spy

And a good spy can make a game of TF2 unplayable and unlike TF2 you can't wall crawl in the finals

• Imagine you're stuffed being glitched because a random glitch grenade from someone you can't see

Or the paranoia of light checking

[sand monolith]

I completely agree with your point btw I was just wondering if you were going to bring up the recent bug

Standing still invis barely works anymore

[fleet brook]

Also invis used to be better without being completely invisible

[sand monolith]

A lot of the time you are just as visible as running

[fleet brook]

No need for complete invis just season 1 invis would be enough

[sand monolith]

Invis should be balanced around full invis or else you will just be hard countered by people who are good at seeing it with nothing you can do about it.

It’s fundamentally bad game design

The power is not in the hands of the user

[normal ice]

No offense, but Spy is easily the weakest class in TF2. He has the highest skill floor, and at his skill ceiling, he doesn't really do that much that other classes don't. He's okay in 9v9 or 12v12 when there's lots of distractions, but in low player counts (like in The Finals), it's much easier to be aware of where someone is trying to flank

[fleet brook]

If it is full invis you can't out skill someone just popping full invis when they want

[normal ice]

speaking of which i'm about to play Scream Fortress so have fun lol

[sand monolith]

Yes you can. Almost every comp game with invis uses full invis

[fleet brook]

Spy is the hardest class in tf2 definitely not the weakest

Also In the finals rarely is it just a 3v3 usually it's a 3v??? Because there's a lot of random people joining fights

[sand monolith]

Finals is the only comp game I know besides apex (ass) that uses semi invis and also lets you shoot immediately out of it

Both of which are terrible decisions

[fleet brook]

Overwatch and Sombra is deeply hated for it

[sand monolith]

Sombra is full invis

[fleet brook]

Invis characters are either hated to play against

Or suck and are hard to play

[sand monolith]

And sombra isn’t really hated anymore after the rework. Unless you are spawn camping

[fleet brook]

Also a spy/demo is needed and spy is better at shutting down power classes in the hands of a good player second only to a good sniper

A good scout has the least general impact on the game in my opinion

I don't judge character power on general player base I judge it by the better/ best user of the character

And a good medic is a top tier class

[sand monolith]

Both invis and dash have the same inherent issue of being countered by good players with nothing the user can do about it

[bronze spade]

dash has been nerfed a bit but still good for movement

[digital zephyr]

does anybody have an ospuze pyro nade skin

because i don't know how i got it

[bronze spade]

beta skin

[digital zephyr]

ok thx

[sinful dagger]

Ngl unless paired with sword dash is one of the worst specs in the game

[bronze spade]

i disagree, good for repositioning

[sinful dagger]

Might as well use grapple

[bronze spade]

grapple suckls

[sinful dagger]

But if you want to reposition the only thing in the game that's better is gateway

[bronze spade]

gateway and dash

[sinful dagger]

Dash only works now days at running away which grapple does better. Dash was meant to be a crazy movement freak spec but its slow and short.

[cunning kettle]

dagger and sh1900:

[sinful dagger]

Dagger yea

[cunning kettle]

honestly the entire backbone of light melee is dash

[normal ice]

Good power classes have their ears tuned to Spies and constantly turn around for no reason. I'm one of them, I got over 8k hours in the game.

Not that I like 6v6 whatsoever -- hate it, in fact -- but Spy is completely useless there and having 2 Scouts is meta. Why? Because they excel in 1v1 fights and picking off weak targets. When there are no distractions to reliably surprise backstab people with, Spy has no damage and no mobility to actually kill people

[hardy dust]

Spy is 100% the worst class.

[bronze spade]

also getting a top of ledges

[languid crag]

they should add a scope for the revolver

i'd use revolver more if it had a scope as an option for a sight

[cunning kettle]

-it has a red dot
-if you want long range use pike

[languid crag]

revolver does better damage

[cunning kettle]

not far out

[languid crag]

or they could give the shotgun a sight

[cunning kettle]

no one even ADS with shotgun anyways

[languid crag]

i do

[cunning kettle]

💀

[hardy dust]

All it does is slow your movement speed.

[cunning kettle]

and reduce how much of the target you can see

[hardy dust]

It's actively harmful to ads with shotguns, since the spread and accuracy does not change.

[languid crag]

i want to get the hedge hunter bundle

some people want the model 1887 nerfed but i think the slow firerate is already a nerf

[cunning kettle]

the firerate isnt the problem though, its the range

[restive plover]

The range isn't the problem, it's the damage.

[sinful dagger]

Grapple does that significantly better

[fleet brook]

Saying spy has no damage is odd because he's built around a one shot

[normal ice]

I mean when he's spotted and misses/can't backstab lol

[restive plover]

no distractions to reliably backstab people with

[fleet brook]

Whichll be the case with light most of lights weapons will get negatively tuned why because there's movement is the best in the game

[fleet brook]

Against a fully organized team yes

Against 99% of people they'll be an opening he also had utility and is a waste of bullets to shoot because of haha I didn't really die and if you realize this and still shoot me I get damage resistance

[fleet brook]

In a TF2 without distractions you can send your lights to rush down the sniper

(Spy also being the counter to one of the best classes in the game just being ignored)

Without distractions or prep time a sentry nest isn't being built

If we pull every character into a vacuum,tf2 and the finals changes alot but these games aren't played in a vacuum by the best players on there a game every game

Also because of this games lower ttk

Getting two tapped by a DB from a player I can't see would be rage inducing (and I play DB light and that's not even the fastest kill)

And I'd prefer if there wasn't a resurgence of flamethrower light checking because people just got annoyed (altho light is very threatening outside of flame range so even that wouldn't work)

No character with good movement and a true invis has ever been healthy for any shooter

[languid crag]

the db shotgun needs a new animation pack

[fleet brook]

True also a skin would be nice

[languid crag]

well there is the beyond the engrave skin

[fleet brook]

Fair

[fleet brook]

Also good characters with a true invis

Usually have

Bad range

Bad burst outside a specific source

Low mobility options

Also I don't want to fight Sombra 2.,o

2.0 and a massive vanishing bomb buff of a heavy appearing from thin air

[languid crag]

maybe an inspection animation where you balance a shotgun shell on your finger idk.

[fleet brook]

I'd say a reload animation of throwing shells in the air then the gun catching them could be cool .

A inspect animation where you click but it doesn't fire and your character smacks the gun/ quickly unjams it Could be cool

[languid crag]

yeah you throw the shotgun shells in the air and catch them in your gun

or you balance 2 stacked shotgun shells on your pointer finger as an inspect

or maybe this as a skin for the db https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=919176758&searchtext=toz

[fleet brook]

That'd be cool

[tranquil rose]

Does zapping an enemy stealing vault actually counts as interrupting? Or you gotta really kill them while they steal?

[spiral pilot]

it stops them for doing any stealing for 5 seconds and it stops mid steal

[tranquil rose]

No I mean, if it COUNTS for the contract that say you gotta interrupet enemy from stealing.

[tranquil rose]

^

[spiral pilot]

ah no idea i never had this contract lol. but it should

[tranquil rose]

Well, you're very lucky, f'ing terrible to do

[late sequoia]

Just ran into a guy who was full-speed sprinting while rapid fire swinging the power stroke (ONLY the power stroke) on DBs.
Is that an exploit, or is this guy just straight up cheating?

[deep karma]

What is a power stroke?

[late sequoia]

DBs

[deep karma]

The light Double Barrel?

[late sequoia]

Dual Blades

They have a weak stroke (2 swings at 50dmg each)
Then mid damage stroke after (2 swings 60dmg)
Then a single 70dmg power stroke (X shape attack)

[vale obsidian]

like a power sneeze but its a stroke i guess lol

oh stroke as in heavy attack ok, i thought you mean something like a heat stroke

[deep karma]

Oh I see, I'm not sure if there's a way to attack while sprinting or bunny hopping, I think attacking overrides your momentum with the Dual Blades IIRC, but it might be one of those things you can cancel by emoting.

Emoting cancels the logic that tries to dampen your speed at the end of Light's dash for example, so you can use that to go flying - might apply to Dual Blades? Wouldn't put it past them. I think movement is checked server side.

[late sequoia]

dude did at LEAST 7 power strokes rapid fire, as if it were the only attack the DBs have.

[languid crag]

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[languid crag]

this as a 93r skin would be funny

[deep karma]

Could be an emote cancel!

[icy sparrow]

@vale obsidian I did hear complaining,no problem in casual but in ranked the most health class spamming shield was a big problem

[icy sparrow]

Looks like a cleaning device

[languid crag]

well its a real gun

[vale obsidian]

BB gun

[icy sparrow]

Hahahaha

[languid crag]

22.lr is not too far off from a bb gun

[vale obsidian]

wait thats actually awsome lol

[languid crag]

just add some ironsights to the magazine cylinder thing

then its ready as a skin for the 93r

[late sequoia]

Except the projectiles weigh like 8x as much, travel about 10x faster, and can kill even with a single shot to a vital area like the femoral artery...

[languid crag]

22.lr is usually used for hunting small animals

[late sequoia]

I have several, im aware.

[vale obsidian]

we have cardborad gun for skin, don't over think it lol

[languid crag]

the light class is techincally a small animal

but yeah that .22 machine pistol would be a funny skin for the 93r

it would be funny if they added it next season

[late sequoia]

There are some .22lr machine pistols with crazy fire rates (+1600rpm) and they can carry a 100rnd mag in the same size drum as a 50rnd 9mm mag. that much ammo going that fast is absolutely CRAZY.

It's nearly like having 8 shots of 12ga double 0 buckshot fired at you... but the pellets are also rifled.

LOL
AM-180
.22lr ammo
275 round drum mag

we could totally make this an in-game item!

4dmg a shot
4200rpm

[white nymph]

Has model 1887 been nerfed?

[last garden]

why not another stick :V

[misty axle]

Those numbers make no sense.
That's 280 dps for 4 seconds.
Not to mention that 4200rpm is so much faster than the fastest guns irl (~1500rpm).

[late sequoia]

It's designed to match the M11
M11 has 16dmg a shot at 1050rpm

But even at 2dmg a round, the mag size would be too weak, and the fire rate would have to be utterly insane (8400rpm)

So to have a 275 round mag, it has to have a larger mag than the M11 would

A smaller mag wouldn't look like the classic and iconic 275 round drum either, which would be a shame.

[misty axle]

I p.sure the M11 is slightly less rpm at 1000

And can only fire for about 2.4s before empty.

[late sequoia]

The wiki says 1050rpm, is it incorrect?

[misty axle]

1021

[late sequoia]

Oh, sorry, 1021

still, that'd put the theoretical AM180 at 4,084rpm
not much of a change in the grand scheme of things

[misty axle]

Which isn't internally consistent since 1021/60 = 17.0166rps
Which, with 16 damage, would be 272.266 rps

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/M11
But the wiki says it has 265.5 dps, which implies a 995.625 rpm

The person derived the firerate off of the "firing time" or vice versa.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=1707135601#gid=1707135601

Zafferman's testing over 5 trials averaged a 1000 rpm:

I'm more inclined to believe the spreadsheet which shows its work and 1000rpm is just a nicer number that makes more sense than 1021.

[late sequoia]

even still, that's still 4000rpm for 4dmg a shot

4.125s to fire an entire mag.

[misty axle]

I still say that it's kind of a ridiculous rpm to me since no gun can even reach half that firerate irl, and hopefully that wouldn't cause any techincal issues either, spawning over 60 hitscans per frame at 60fps

[late sequoia]

yeah

I guess it could be a decent Heavy gun, but heavy already has the Lewis and they'd look painfully similar when picking between them.

Too easy to get the wrong one by mistake

[misty axle]

I'd also say that it'd somewhat go against the design ethos of most of Lgiht's weapons be more bursty over sustained, but that's another type of can of worms.

[late sequoia]

AM180 just isn't viable

[misty axle]

It's a cool concept, but I can't justify a reason for it to exist outside of cool factor.

[late sequoia]

I'm really disappointed that the Medium's arsenal has one of the worst damage-per-mag (AND worst reload per magdump as well) models in the game.

Light is the class with best reload speeds and TTKs, while heavy has best damage per mag and longest reloads, at the very least Medium could stand to have a happy medium between the two.

Discounting oddity weapons (melee, shotgun, grenade launchers, bows/knives, etc):
Most Light weapons can kick out around 750dmg a mag and reload in 1.3-2.4s, most heavy weapons can kick out +1000 damage a mag (1330 in the case of the M60) but granted that's pretty much the entire heavy selection of non-specialty and non-gimmicky weapons... and they have long reloads to match (3.5s each).

Meanwhile, Medium's weapons (ARs mostly) have low damage a mag (550-620) and their reloads are in the 2-2.75s range which is just hideous.

[misty axle]

Overall,

• Light weapons have big bursts of DPS
• Medium weapons are middling
• Heavy weapons have a lot of sustained damage

But, like, the SA1216 on heavyis the highest DPS weapon in the game rn, iirc

[normal ice]

like I said before, if they made it true invis and/or silent, they could just make it give you an uncloaking animation and a damage nerf for a moment after uncloaking to prevent instant cheap kills

[late sequoia]

It's the downtime that's the bad part for Medium.

Heavy has exceptional uptime with weapons capable of wiping an entire 3 man team without head shots AND allowing for missed shots, but pays for it with longer down time (kind of, 3.5s vs the Pike's 3s really isn't that big a deal given the M60 has twice the damage and killing potential).

Light not only can drop more enemies before being effectively forced to retreat or die, but it has minimal downtime while reloading for that same killing potential.

Medium gets nearly-heavy levels of reload time, while getting only 50-65% the killing potential per mag compared to some weapons.

Even the new heavily nerfed XP54 is better in that regard than the Revolver or FCAR.

[misty axle]

Pike takes ~2s if you don't shoot that 12th shot
FAMAS is in a similar boat

AKM and FCAR have the same reload times whether they're empty or only missing 1 bullet.

[late sequoia]

Revolver's the big one.
Same reload either way, and it's worse than the pike with a long reload when you consider it literally can't even kill a single heavy without +83% accuracy

TBH, not really sure why the revolver's even in the game.

[misty axle]

The revolver has a 2x headshot multi and a decent firerate - it's a high skill floor, high reward type of gun.

Unfortunately, it's got projectile dysfunction after about 30m

(Revolver dropoff starts @23m and ends @40m while losing ~55% of its damage)

[late sequoia]

Yeah.
It's one of those guns that has a design best suited for hipfire, but hipfire's exceptionally bad for it.

[misty axle]

I wouldn't say that it's exceptionally bad, but it's still not good.
The Pike has "exceptionally" bad hipfire as its the worst one Medium has access to by a decent margin.

[late sequoia]

In practice, revolver's only really useful against Heavies in close enough range to melee (50% mag worth of head shots for a head shot dependent weapon with no range potential is pretty bad)...
...or with an aimbot. (But that's a bad balancing metric)

[fickle radish]

#addfanningtorevolver

[late sequoia]

It'd be better with a faster reload, V9S style.

V9S is one of those guns that's best with head shots due to how close it's damage starts falling off, but it gets a 1.3s reload speed.

[fickle radish]

reload speed is not the main problem. low rof, low magazine, huge dmg drop off

v9s has a huge magazine

[late sequoia]

Mostly what kills me with the revolver is not being able to use it as a hit-and-run weapon.

You can't just fire a few shots, duck back, reload quickly (it's only really good in CQC to close range), and get back in the fight quickly.

It's reload is longer than the FCAR's

[misty axle]

The V9s also has extremely easy recoil and 240 max dps, compared to the M11's 267 dps.
they have the same damage dropoff ranges, but the V9S retains slightly more of its damage.

[late sequoia]

Or the FAMAS after 6 bursts

(and the FAMAS kills in the same number of bursts as the revolver does... with body shots)

[misty axle]

The FAMAS is literally the best AR on Medium, stats-wise.

[late sequoia]

Eh, the bursts make it kinda sketchy against dash lights up close.
FAR easier to miss enough shots that you're screwed against one than with the AKM or FCAR in the same situation.

And the fire rate makes it all but a death sentence against a heavy up close

TBH though, that's the medium's worst point:
Damage per mag.

Miss virtually any significant amount of your mag against a heavy on medium, you're dead.

Miss the same percentages on light or heavy, you laugh it off. (Either plenty more where that came from, or you press reload and keep firing moments later).

[spiral pilot]

medium weapons are insane allrounder guns on all ranges, light does not really have that

[late sequoia]

XP-54 is the only gun that comes close to comparing to Medium's non-shotgun/melee/GL weapons in massive aim requirement

[spiral pilot]

akm and fcar has very good range like 35-40 max range and mp5 only i guess 27.5 meter which does 16 dmg per bullet only tho

[late sequoia]

Light has a great selection of weapons for all ranges, and a few that are just great for everything (LH1 and V9S are practically all you EVER need).

From what I hear, the 93R is also decent now as an allrounder.

[spiral pilot]

allrounder yeah close to mid range and then some poke dmg, but akm does full dmg up to 35 meter and v9s only 15 meter

[misty axle]

The TtKs of all 3 ARs against
Light span 0.67-0.74s
Medium span 1.16-1.22s
Heavy span 1.59-1.70s

I also like the burst of the FAMAS because it front-loads the damage, making quickpeeking-type actions more effective, imo.

[late sequoia]

Doesn't the XP54 fall off to like the same or virtually the same damage per shot though?

Before the nerf, it was 0% damage loss, so no loss at any range. (Technically, it loses damage, but the amount is 0% meaning it ""drops"" from 16dmg to 16dmg a shot.)

[misty axle]

The XP-54 does the same damage as the AK per bullet after 37.5m

But with 25% faster firerate

If we ignore the health differences between Light and Medium, the XP does 13% more dps out to 15m, where the XP starts to get damage dropoff until 27.5m
The AKM retains its damage longer until 30m, dropping steeply (losing 45%) at 37.5m

[late sequoia]

AK drops from 20dmg to 11dmg
Damage falloff starts at 35m and ends at 40m.
That means it loses 9 (45%) damage in just 5m.
Half of 5m is 2.5m (so 37.5m)
Half of 9dmg is 4.5dmg

So AKM is at 15.5dmg

Big whoop.
XO54 drops from 16dmg to 15.5dmg

[misty axle]

That being said, a Medium would win every DPS duel due to just having 67% more HP.

[late sequoia]

If a dash light can't dodge some bullets evening out those odds and then some, he's using the ability wrong.

[misty axle]

This is the prennial issue with balancing Light's killing potential.
(I wonder what would happen if EVERY class got +100HP and we increased TtKs across the board)

[late sequoia]

Movement is FAR preferable to health.

I'd take a "Extra Light" class with 2x movement speed and only 75hp over any other class at any time.

[misty axle]

Good luck dying to
1 Grenade
1 CL-40 shot
1 shotgun blast
1 Explosive mine
1 Red can
1 Orange can

[late sequoia]

No one would ever be able to get their crosshairs on you, let alone land a slow explosive

Only one that might pose an issue is heavy with a flame thrower

[misty axle]

You'd die to a turret in 1.875s

[spice vigil]

at least rpg doesnt 1 shot anymore

[late sequoia]

And you'd be on it in 0.6s or less, charging head-on

[misty axle]

Oh yeah, your "Extra Light" would also die to 1 RPG

[late sequoia]

Good luck landing the hit.

You know how the SR84's big issue at range now is that once you see it, you can just side-step the bullets mid-travel?

Yeah.
Picture that, but for anything not hitscan.

[spiral pilot]

old times

[late sequoia]

the air time on a normal level-ground jump alone would be insane.

[spice vigil]

i feel like an old man

[late sequoia]

You'd need RPG's to get that velocity back if you wanted to hit an extra-light further out than 10m or so

[spiral pilot]

they never changed velocity on rpg afaik

[late sequoia]

Either that's a max FOV viewpoint and much closer than I remember that crane being, or that's noticeably faster than when I try something like that.

That looks like it's around 20-25% faster to me.

Aaand it's past 3am here.
Should have been asleep long ago, good night guys!

[spiral pilot]

no its the same bro, no difference. you could just shoot without ads, they made the accuracy much worse so you have to ads now, maybe thats why

[river tinsel]

I very much would like an rpg rework. Maybe give it 80 damage and 2 rockets instead of just one. That away heavy can break down suspended platforms without having to wait 2 to 3 business days for a rocket cool down cause right now the light can break the platforms better than the heavy and thats thematically really shouldn't be the case

[north flint]

These are definitely the best guns in the finals atm

[icy sparrow]

@median olive I get random stutters(unplayable)when I open the game on pc and it never goes away till I reopen the game but it doesn’t get fixed after restarting but gets fixed randomly when I try again much later,been a problem since S2

[tranquil rose]

Is the dual deagle good? I tried it out a few matches, but the aim feels so inconsistent…sometimes it just refuses to hit

[north flint]

What a beast

But I 100% get you the defib after defib gets annoying 😂

[north flint]

Yes it is just try changing your crosshair

[median olive]

Hey friend, have you reported this to support?

[icy sparrow]

I don’t know if support is a thread or email or bug report

[median olive]

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[tranquil rose]

Any recomendation?

[fleet brook]

Tbf my brain puts high mobility and DPS and true invis together and it can't escape the thought of Sombra also even if it gives a sound queue to your opponent that defeats using invis to get the drop on them and makes it more into an escape tool

[amber wasp]

WUT YOU TALKING ABOUT I JUST JOINED

i accidetly put capitals

[fleet brook]

What weapon can wipe 3M without reloading? If it's wiping a full team of lights without reload that feels disingenuous to say

[deft ibex]

charge n slam + grenade + rpg

[north flint]

The circular reticle helps alot for me because it's kindoff like deadeye accuracy whatever you aim at gets hit but the other crosshairs aren't that good for it

[fleet brook]

Whether invis should be a true invis

[deft ibex]

and if you wanna go over board, flamethrower/spear

[north flint]

M60

They should buff it

[fleet brook]

There talking about weapons not burning uutil

[deft ibex]

spear fucking shreads then

[fickle radish]

M60

[fleet brook]

Technically with that logic of burning util I believe everyone besides light could wipe 3M if medium just brings all his nades

[amber wasp]

to be honest they should nerf the throwing knifes because it almost 1 shots me as a light player

[fleet brook]

I'm gonna be real even if the lmgs are good they took a massive hit in enjoyment for me

[deft ibex]

right click headshot can one shot a light

[fickle radish]

Lmgs are fine now imo, on s3 were not really funny to play

[fleet brook]

Embark made the meta class unfun to play so unless you just purely enjoy winning like alot heavy in ranked feels meu

[fleet brook]

I've played since beta so it was like having 100$ then embark taking 60$ but overtime giving me back 40$ . Still feels worse

[amber wasp]

the thing is so many lights use the throwing knives and it kills me in less than 2 secs AND it takes lik20 secs to respawn

[fickle radish]

At least now you can play both weapons instead of being forced to play Lewis all the time like every previous season and betas

[amber wasp]

i love being lights but the sweats keep on killling me with the knives

[fleet brook]

I'm gonna be real on a unrelated note

I see the devs nerfing c and S next patch even though it's been the same for at least 2 seasons just because community sentiment

I see them nerfing heavy specs while trying to fix the issue they made themselves with shield

[fickle radish]

C and S?

[fleet brook]

And dome changes which made heavy far less of a defensive powerhouse and now people just wanna run fat light

[fleet brook]

Charge and slam

[fickle radish]

Hope you did something really useful with the 2 seconds you saved by typing C and S instead of charge and slam

Anyway I don't think so, they nerfed all the heavy fortify aspects, and charge and slam is not one of those

[fleet brook]

In between morning sets so yes

[fleet brook]

And nerfing fortified heavy is gonna move people to play fat light which they didn't like in the past

[torn mantle]

So can sniper, sword, both shotguns, dagger, and that's just light

[leaden iris]

Does anyone feel like deadpool when using dual blades and the deages?

[fleet brook]

Light players when they have low HP to counter there high burst and super mobility

[idle yoke]

Any opinions on glitch trap, I've been having fun punishing lights thinking they can flank my team

[azure shuttle]

red dot for 93R possibly?

[fleet brook]

Really only good for light or if you're worried about people nading/ charging in

[idle yoke]

I've noticed that it can cancel cns(?) If they come near it

[analog jewel]

Controller diff i guess.

[empty apex]

your aimassist is on point too m8👍

[idle yoke]

That's something I'd have to test in priv matches to see if glitch trap can cancel charge n slam from heavy

[north flint]

What's wrong with controllers?

[analog jewel]

Do you really ask ?

[north flint]

Any controller players aim would be ass without it

[north flint]

Yes

Coz I think you can also use controllers on pc?

[analog jewel]

Yes, but i like gaming :/

[empty apex]

the accuracy between controller and mouse/keyboard is just unfair, anyway you have the best aim, we can't revalized

[north flint]

I dont get it

[analog jewel]

Ok ok, what's your rank ? Just to know

[supple oracle]

If youre going to use a controller on pc for shooters, you better use gyro, NOT negotiable

[north flint]

Yes keyboard and mouse are insane compared to controller

[north flint]

Gold 2

Why?

Or atleast I was untill I ran into a losing streak

[empty apex]

did you deranked easilly when you play against full teams of mouse/keyboard?

[north flint]

Nope I deranked easily because of braindead teammates that see we pushed the other team of their point but instead of going for the steal they choose to chase the guys

[analog jewel]

Cause i'm too, and when i see this robot gameplay, i understand why most of my games are based on... random death

[supple oracle]

I hate when my team chase kills instead of the objective, but i hate enemy team that does the same and waste our time with a useless fight

[north flint]

I've gotten so used to controller that idek what the aim assist feels like

[north flint]

What do you mean by robot gameplay💀

[analog jewel]

Bru pls wtf is this...

[north flint]

Wtf is what bru

[analog jewel]

U dont miss any shots, and u saying mouse is unfair compared to your aimassist ? Did u even try ??

[north flint]

Yes mouse has alot of freedom because of the high sens and stuff and pc in general having more frames

what you think about this one

[north flint]

And yes i did try😂

Just wondering how that other guy was shooting me while I was behind him

[drowsy pasture]

Console player

[analog jewel]

I think that's a shame, we dont play the same game, but same elo... idk, i just dont get it

[north flint]

Hell yes

[north flint]

What do you mean

[north flint]

What's a elo

[drowsy pasture]

I will say as much as I clown on console for being worse than pc (because it is) using a controller to aim is so much nicer than a mouse because of how smooth is it

[drowsy pasture]

What is the crosshair bro

[north flint]

A circular one

[drowsy pasture]

Understandable

[analog jewel]

Bru he dont even use it... He dont have to, he got a controller...

[north flint]

Console is amazing

But my only downside is I don't have good ping

[north flint]

Why don't you use controller more often then?

[drowsy pasture]

Because my controller is broken and I don't care enough to buy a new one

[drowsy pasture]

Your console isn't the reason why you have good or bad ping

[north flint]

I might start soon coz I am gonna get a pc this year

[north flint]

Yes but no servers in my country is

[drowsy pasture]

True

[north flint]

Did it break from rage quitting😂?

[drowsy pasture]

No?

It broke from being overused

[north flint]

Living in south africa and playing in European severs can sometimes be a pain I'm the ass

[drowsy pasture]

Then move

[north flint]

I used my controllers non stop for a whole year and sometimes didn't even sleep for 2 days and they not broken 💀

[drowsy pasture]

Ok well I had the controller since 2019 and playing fortnite does a lot to the controller

[north flint]

When I get some money I'll consider it

Or maybe embark could make an African sever like call of duty

[north flint]

I just have a little bit of stick drift I'm considering getting the elite controller but idk if its worth

[idle yoke]

I wonder if smoke disables aim assist for controller like it did in apex

[drowsy pasture]

It should

[idle yoke]

A lot of stuff I need to test out

[north flint]

It does

Smoke is crazy right now

[idle yoke]

Very interesting

Ima try out a playstyle ima experiment with

Data reshaper (for smoke), guardian turret, glitch trap, defib

If no lights to deal with ill put zipline

[tender thorn]

jikes

[crisp heart]

people are complaining about the sword. yikes

[restive plover]

Ofc the fact u can dash with the heavy sword attack makes you go insanely fast, the fact a light can wipe a 3 man in under 6 seconds

[idle yoke]

I saw a light just rush in, spammed m1 wiped an entire team with the sword

[crisp heart]

yikes

[idle yoke]

He tried that on my team, got evaporated cus glitch trap denied his dash

[crisp heart]

perhaps you saw cdogs team get wiped then

like, imagine downplaying the effort sword lights has to go through to get kills just so someone says that the weapon is too strong and not the player using it.

[restive plover]

People have been complaining about that forever.

[sand monolith]

The sword is extremely obnoxious but not overpowered

[restive plover]

It probably contributed to the dash nerf.

[tender thorn]

what got nerfed about the dash?

[restive plover]

Is it really? I don't find it to be that annoying.

[crisp heart]

cd

[sand monolith]

I despise fighting sword players tbh

[restive plover]

1 extra second of cooldown for each dash, 3 in total for the whole specialization.

[sand monolith]

Yeah buff dash btw

[tender thorn]

aah not too bad was playing with it and didnt feel bad

[restive plover]

It's more significant than it may seem

[crisp heart]

each dash has to count now with the sword.

[tender thorn]

with all the nerfs to specializations i get it

[sand monolith]

Double dash speed and let the player slide or jump at the end to keep momentum. And then also remove its stacking with sword lunge and buff sword lunge speed

[crisp heart]

they already buffed it's lunge speed though, unless you mean lunge charge speed,

[versed siren]

we will return sword to its former glory.

[crisp heart]

the sword is already glorious as it is.

[versed siren]

it seems all my time playing sword in season 3 really paid off

it was a gimmick they said

they threw games just because i used the sword

they forgot the finals is not an fps, it’s a first person fighting game

[crisp heart]

killing someone with a sword is basically telling them, "you have no one to blame but yourself"

[versed siren]

if you walk around a corner into a sword i can get the frustration but maybe don’t move up towards the person with a fucking sword

[crisp heart]

man, I wish I can get players to move towards my sword

[wooden glade]

Dash is necessary for sword but I think grapple is underrated for light, it’s so good for long distance burst of movement

[versed siren]

there are a few ways

most people are forced to fight you over the objective

[crisp heart]

grapple was always a good choice depending on your playstyle,

[versed siren]

you can bait people around corners like with sledge (helpful for isolation targets)

[wooden glade]

Really? I guess I don’t see it too often, not as much as dash at least

[versed siren]

you can also double boost with a lunge if you really need distance

[crisp heart]

must be a server thing.

[versed siren]

and even though we give stungun a lot of flak it’s still useful for chasing people down

[crisp heart]

in tight spaces sure, but the moment you get that first hit in, and you're alone. you have to do a lot of weird maneuvers just to keep the enemies guessing. otherwise, you dead

[versed siren]

another thing you can try doing is running/dashing from cover to cover to close distance

[crisp heart]

I stopped trying to chase down enemies with double dash, it's just better to reposition and engage with all 3 dashes

[crisp heart]

yeah. sword 101 right there

[versed siren]

did i just repeat the most basic info 💀

[exotic skiff]

sword is not even good

[crisp heart]

exactly. it's very hard to use.

even if you learn it, it's still pretty difficult to use against experienced players.

it's like maining little mac in smash

[exotic skiff]

dash overall is just a bad spec

against good people you just gonna get tracked down instant

[crisp heart]

yeah, it needs to be buffed

[sand monolith]

They buffed the lunge speed but it’s still bad without dash

[crisp heart]

I mean, it kinda helped. a little

[sand monolith]

Remove super dashing and buff the lunge speed to be a little under that. So sword is usable with other specials and also slightly slower

And then dash can be buffed properly without it making sword op

[crisp heart]

nah, we should just get both. both is good.

sword OP? what's that?

[sand monolith]

Lmao a sword meta with buffed dash would be funny. It would probably take them 7 seasons to fix though so I’m okay

[fleet brook]

Always has been always will be

Dash users running along the ground like sad fish while I get to be spider man and parkour up buildings

verticality versus horizontal movement

[crisp heart]

it's also depends on your weapons effective range.

[fleet brook]

True but also I play grapple even on my DB

[crisp heart]

what about the matter?

I really depends on your playstyle,
jumping in, getting a kill, running away, would be more effective with the grapple
a more lengthy close range skirmishes for lights who wants to be the last one standing, dash would probably help them do that

[vale obsidian]

how would yall buff dash in pro game without effecting low skill game that much?

i only see 3 option rn

• let you cerve dash by holding starfe key while dash
• just make dash faster
• copy tracer ow

[crisp heart]

it won't because lights are squishy. and HP is everything

dying to a light means that your team fails to keep tabs on rotate points, and that they panic a lot in close range combat

[vale obsidian]

i heard people with good tracking can just track a dashing light throw it dash
light survivability became something that make light ez-er to hit cus it make him move in predictable line. that should not happen

[crisp heart]

exactly. the moment light becomes predictable in combat, they become useless.

[vale obsidian]

and thats why im proposting a dash rework

ofc its still shit stomp in casual mode

so we still have to be careful of that

[crisp heart]

it won't though, especially with a c&s heavy

and stun and glitches and mines and winch and flamethrowers

[supple oracle]

would anyone say Flamethrower is better than sledge, and if so why

[vale obsidian]

ok we have many badly design weapon and ability but i want to focus on dash for now
what would be the best rework in your opinion for dash be?

(my idea is curve dash)

[crisp heart]

I see flamethrowers as an assist weapon, it melts the enemy while making them panic, while your teammate gets an easy kill

[crisp heart]

they'll probably go with the simplest fixes with dash and not over complicate things. so maybe a faster, less visible dash to make it less predictable?

[old robin]

Does anyone actually use the dagger outside power shift? It's tons of fun but feels like it falls completely flat in anything that isn't a roughly 2-sided objective mode

[crisp heart]

I've encountered several dagger mains in WT and they're good at it.

they're very scary to deal with on a 1v1

[vale obsidian]

dagger people is so hit or miss no pun intented

they're either the best gamer you've ever seen blessing the lobby with their skill or a first time using this weapon

[old robin]

I can definitely be a menace with it but it's just kinda a niche weapon, since it's biggest strength is partially based on how likely your target is to turn around

[crisp heart]

I almost lost a game because I left my M and H teammates to deal with the dagger user while I was finishing off a Medium, literally 2v1 them.

we only won because I stalled him long enough to secure the cash out and everyone to coin in

[vale obsidian]

unrelated but you'll love to see it lol

[crisp heart]

man, Heavies are scary when playing light

[vale obsidian]

and in the right senarious, we scare them

like a cat and mouse game but who is which change sometime

[crisp heart]

depends on whether they hit C&S

[cyan bobcat]

when new famas skins i really love that gun

[crisp heart]

there's a famas skin if you're sponsored by iseult

[cyan bobcat]

i am

[cunning wyvern]

We just need a complete overhaul to game feel. The new destruction makes everything feel like paper

[shut bane]

It’s map dependent

The other maps feel just fine, it’s just the structure of fortune stadium, why not come up with an event that triggers at a certain damage threshold that materializes everything or individual areas/buildings of the map back into place

[urban mango]

Does anyone else feel like the lh1 recoil got worse?

[fickle radish]

Something changing the map like levelution on BF4 would be way better than most of the stupid game events

For example on monaco switching from standard Monaco to duck and cover in the middle of the map

Or opening the skyscraper on Seul after a while

[cyan bobcat]

the ufo event doesnt even affect the game. meteor shower rarely does anything ever

[fickle radish]

I don't like game events, they are not fun and they are not entertaining. And the only few times game events manage to affect your game is in an annoying way that pisses you off most of the times like you get blasted by a random meteor or the UFO decides to spawn on top of your cash out ecc

And don't talk about that fking annoying useless low gravity

[cyan bobcat]

a halloween event thing that would be cool is random spooky themed events like "rise of the dead" where all dead players get instant revived with 50-80% health

of course limited time events would be casual only

[fickle radish]

I would prefere real game changing events that really affect the gameplay, like huge map changes or cashouts spawning on weird positions like open areas (idk about this one, I'm just spamming ideas), map rebuild ecc ecc

[cyan bobcat]

i'd very much like a map being rebuilt mid game

we need laser weapons to finals

[fickle radish]

Yeah, but also being destroyed. Imagine the big skyscraper falling down in Seul like Shangai map in bf4

[vale obsidian]

goated idea

but wouldn't it make the map play worst?

[cyan bobcat]

yeah, i hate it when a building is so fucked up that you literally get stuck in the rubble. this could have that same effect.

[vale obsidian]

unless the big building falling is just an animation and when it hit the gound it spawn a rubble style map

or we'll be playing 10fps gaming

[fickle radish]

Idk, there are tons of way to change the map. It could fall on top of the mall destroying it and making a new destroyed building with new cash out spots ecc, or falling towards the hospital changing or even adding new ways to approach it. Idk there are tons of scenarios

[fickle radish]

Depends, cause if you make it scripted it's different,cause devs can decide the way the building falls down. It does not have to follow the physics of the game. Exactly like Shangai on BF4, skyscraper dalla creating a new environment

[fickle radish]

This

[cunning wyvern]

Just take the spear out of the game. Buggy. Low damage. No pick rate

[soft lark]

i have 3000/3000 currency in this game, its used to buy guns etc? should i be spending it and if so what guns/equipment would people recommend?

[fickle radish]

Keep spending it unless you have everything unlocked

Cause if you reach 3k and don't spend you are just wasting time

It was also used on S2 to reroll daily challenges but that feature got removed

[cyan bobcat]

whats your playstyle?

[soft lark]

run and gun normally, fairly agressive

[cyan bobcat]

for light: mp5 (in-game name changed), medium: Fcar or model shotty, heavy: Lewis gun, flamethrower or .50 akimbo. idk about gadgets, but for heavy i recommend unlocking all defense gadgets and specials.

[soft lark]

thanks so much, i will get those unlocked asap and give them a go

i like playing aggressive but i also love getting kill streaks, other games i often get several kills before each death kinda thing

[cyan bobcat]

also i recommend trying out cl40 on medium, if you have good aim then that will take care of most light players

[lavish flower]

lmao

I don't get cl40's purpose, so lowskill weap

[fickle radish]

Ok

[polar trout]

I thought I remembered that, but then when I checked it wasn't there so I thought I was tweaking

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[fickle radish]

Idk, they removed it on S3 and then they stopped talking about that lol. Now I have the same daily challenges everyday. Idk if it's just me or everybody

[languid crag]

it would be a good m11 skin

[spiral pilot]

matter 26 has one benefit over most other guns

[languid crag]

WHAT THE FUCK

[amber cloak]

Um

New breacher on the horizon

[languid crag]

it takes 1 mag and a quarter of a mag

[spiral pilot]

3 team of light with matter break walls in 3 seconds together

[fickle radish]

This one would be perfect

[lavish flower]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-cool-smoke-cigarette-stogie-gif-17699869

[languid crag]

what about this as an m11 skin

[spiral pilot]

its actually good to know when you are defending, you can shoot walls and later when needed just drop the cashout with 1-2 shots for example

ceilings is the same

[languid crag]

22.lr metal tube

[vale obsidian]

This weak ahh sounding gun can make walls disappear?

got a magic trick to surprise enemy now lol

[languid crag]

i might start using matter 26 more now

[fickle radish]

Every gun can destroy walls, it was already proven ages ago by a guy who used to made myth busting videos. You only need a lot of bullets

[languid crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_M1912_pistol what about this as a 93r skin

what about a h&k usp skin for the lights pistol

[shadow onyx]

med can get an sbr

[polar trout]

STEEL BALL RUN??????????!?!!?!???!?????

Can we get a feudal japan weapons pack with a hankyu for the bow, kanabo for sledge and naginata/yari for the spear please like it was such a missed opportunity that all we got was swords

Haha embed failure

[languid crag]

medium should get a sawed off mossberg 590 or whatever its called

[naive glacier]

these model 1887 skins would go crazy

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, id love to have one with the spinning animation
Just not the 1 we already have
Irl looking guns are some of my favorite

[sturdy sand]

MGL always garbo is it just me?

[shell sonnet]

Hard to use, eventually good

Took me a good 10 matches to get the hang of it

After that it sweeps (given, with some downsides, experiences may vary)

[sturdy sand]

it doesn't have direct impact right?

[shell sonnet]

Or more, cant remember

Decent amount of time

[shell sonnet]

Not directy (maybe should have)

But if you hit right at the feet it bounces between them and the floor, exploding basically instantly

[sturdy sand]

It's just not fun to use

[shell sonnet]

Depends, i like it

Its a bit weird with its bounce mechanic, but i find that engaging

Tickles my brain so to speak

Not suprised few people like it

[sturdy sand]

maybe a new sight

[shell sonnet]

Want some advice for it?

[sturdy sand]

Please

Also maybe World Tourney is the best place to use it

[shell sonnet]

Shooting the ceiling is very good, makes it easier to (if you can estimate where it will land)

Stay away from rooftops

Buildings are your friends, especially monaco

You can place a pyro/explosive mine next to a door or window and shoot it for big damage

Charge n slam is very good because of mgl's minimum range

Spam = good

Decend for defences but it depends (dome shuts it down pretty badly
Above is good, but not directly, get some horizontal distance and hit the sides of ghe cashout so they detonate near the floor

You might be able to get some use out of goo gun
Shooting random blobs around enemies might make it easier since you have to bounce off of
(Heard about it a few times, didnt test it myself, might not be woth the setup, since they also blow them up)

[sturdy sand]

Current loadout

I'll play some more quick cash to try and figure out the range and spread

[shell sonnet]

Oh, almost forgot
Make use of your gimmik

It can be incredibly valuable to be able to shoot someone you cant see

Ive gotten a decent amount of kills by just spamming the attaic, by shooting up the ladder hole on monaco

Generally, try to stay away from the action and just overwhel them with chip damage

Again, monaco comes to mind

Cashout in a building?
Set up in the building next to it and spam though the windows

[shell sonnet]

Take this with a grain of salt, since i havent used goo gun with mgl yet, but i do think you will get more value out of charge n slam

Sometimes the close range weakness can be very obvious

Frags are somewhat sub-optimal since your primary does pretty much the same thing
You might be better off with utility or area denial

Rpg is a good choice as panic button if you run out of ammo or cant line up some shot (like rooftops)
Good choice

C4 is good to deny a cashout shortly, giving you a bit more time to spread around damage on a team

Having a less restrictive gun in your reserve is a good idea, sometimes it just cant deliver, having a general use fallback option is always good

Maybe consider using dome shield, it allows you to take 1v1's a little better, since youre (probably) only taking self damage and not being shot by the other person (though you can accidentally destroy it yourself quit easily)

[sturdy sand]

I wish there was a save load out button

[shell sonnet]

There are likely a few other things and strats, but i dont remember right now

Just experiment

[polar trout]

Extra tip (I don't know if he said it) but there's a reason you have infinite ammo, if you see someone don't chase. Just spam where you saw them go into (try and get a good bounce) and let your teammates with direct fire weapons finish em off

[shell sonnet]

There "is"
I cant even fit all my loadouts in the 8 slots we get

Also, 1 damage chip shots (should) still stop regenerating
So thats something

[polar trout]

With the mgl, you need to play as a support base of fire. It's odd, and the only weapon in the game that really plays like that, but if you get used to it it works really well

[shell sonnet]

Wonder if the 0 damage shots that still technically connect also do this

[languid crag]

spas 12 would go crazy

[shell sonnet]

The devs mention they want to rework it
I hope not 🥲

[languid crag]

i hope they rework the mgl

i might play heavy more if they do

[shell sonnet]

Maybe add like explode on direct hit, but dont take my weird little thing away please

[night elk]

Opinions on V9S vs 93R?

[polar trout]

Yep

[long isle]

I feel like shotgun is peak for medium rn

[polar trout]

Good gun vs dogshit ass that has less DPM then most medium or heavy weapons

But I still love the 93r

[sturdy sand]

God bless hallways

[polar trout]

It has really good handling to make to for it's horrible damage

[long isle]

.50 akimbo for heavy is so useless at close range

[polar trout]

You and me both

One of my favorite things about this game is how the weapons are usually really unique

And I love that

[polar trout]

No

[shell sonnet]

Now youre getting it

[long isle]

Or maybe im just ass at heavy

[shell sonnet]

Hallways are fren

[polar trout]

Prolly, I find it to be quite good

[polar trout]

Fien??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[shell sonnet]

Fren

[polar trout]

FIEN????????

[long isle]

93R should get a buff

[sturdy sand]

Seoul is the best map in the game

[shell sonnet]

No, fren

[polar trout]

Ong please I NEEEEEEED it they keep yapping about how it would be game breaking or some shit but idc please just gimme the op 93r puhleeaaaaase

[polar trout]

FIEN!?!??!??!!?‽‽‽‽

[shell sonnet]

Monaco is better imo, but may depend on playstyle

Do you have any tips on how i can make it better there?

[cunning wyvern]

When spear rework

[long isle]

It was such a great idea but its now just underpowered

[sturdy sand]

What's wrong with it

[shell sonnet]

No. 😞

[polar trout]

Lots of tight spaces, plus multiple floors. Use being above the opps to your advantage

[sturdy sand]

Nah I think I'm good. One good game and my head is big

[cunning wyvern]

Extremely buggy, no natural cancel of alternate attack, one of the lowest ttks across the board

[polar trout]

Yeah, it feels like it's supposed to be a more precise rather than powerful weapon, so I think a 2x hs would be a good buff

[long isle]

SA1216 is underpowered too

[polar trout]

Yeah and even the cancel you can do just makes it so you can't attack and shi

[shell sonnet]

There is a small voice inside me, telling me to explode a wall in monaco, winch the cashout into the narrow alley ways, and spam

Alas, winch and mgl sucks together (subjective)

[polar trout]

Esp now that it doesn't have it's pookie mesh

[cunning wyvern]

Yup, also the dude could just choke down and use it like a spear. Poke. Just a six foot poking stick

[long isle]

Spear should've had an throwing attack for ALT
Stay with me on this one

[polar trout]

It works well

Not the winch ngl combo, but putting the cashout in funny places with winch

[cunning wyvern]

It's a no brainer, been saying it for months

[shell sonnet]

Didnt they say something about it being nimble?

Meanwhile: me being forced into a 4 second, slow as sh animation, because i accidentally tapped m2 (the enemies took no damage because the barricade ate the first 5 hits and nothing else registered)

[polar trout]

Eh the lmb feels better than sledge's

[long isle]

The dissapointment in my eyes the moment i used the ALT attack and was spinning instead of throwing is insane.

[shell sonnet]

Usually do that with sledge and winch

Gravity cube works wonders

Saldy no long range damage, gotta rely on miney, rpg and frags

[polar trout]

Not more powerful or anything, but it's nice to be able to hit people from across the room

[shell sonnet]

You think?
Got any tips?

That thing aint been treating me well

[cunning wyvern]

Same, sledge is just better

[polar trout]

I do God cube, spear, winch, nades and barricades/goo

[long isle]

granade launcher for heavy is basically useless at close range, in comparison to medium granade launcher. Should've made it explode on impact

[polar trout]

Then I put it below me like 2 or three floors (I put it on ground floor, go as high as I can)

[shell sonnet]

I wish they kept the knockback on m2, yeeting cashouts was the only decent way of moving cashouts without winch

Would have single handed made it a viable alterantive to slede, freeing up the specials slot

[polar trout]

Throw frags(or shoot rpg), drop and spin

[polar trout]

Ye.

[long isle]

RPG damage is disappointing to say the least

[sturdy sand]

Three heavy's the GLs OH GOD IT WAS AMAZING

[polar trout]

Should be, honestly. I want it to be a destruction tool, and it needs to sacrifice DMG to be that while not being op

[night elk]

It's the highest range burst dmg outside of sniper though, it's a finisher/follow-up

[long isle]

Rpg as a weapon sounds fun but in reality it would be a massacre

[polar trout]

You're forgetting sledge m2

[shell sonnet]

I think rpg is currently in limbo

Its not bad, but its not fun either

The damage was very frustrating, but just nerfing made it suffer

They should have reworked it to be destruction focused

Like 2 ammo
Faster recharge

~50 damage

[full glen]

Lights are so out classed this season 😿

[night elk]

Does sledge m2 have a projectile or something that I missed?

[long isle]

M26 MATTER is insanely underwheling in gameplay

[polar trout]

For the last 4 seasons

[shell sonnet]

Its useable

Not much i have to say about it though

[cunning wyvern]

Or sticky proximity bombs

[long isle]

YES

[polar trout]

My dumbass didn't see range

[shell sonnet]

Breaking walls in 11 seconds is good though

[night elk]

Oh, lol

[cunning wyvern]

Don't even trust that devs see this, is there some way to make a poll?

[polar trout]

They do see it

[shell sonnet]

If youre willing to put up some time, it can replace breach, freeing up some utility

[long isle]

Hear me out.
A model 1887 with a sniper sight

[polar trout]

@devs gimme a 93R buff next patch if you read this channel ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[shell sonnet]

You need to be like max level on dc

[cunning wyvern]

😔

[polar trout]

No ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[shell sonnet]

I kinda want a cl-40 animation pack

I have a few ideas but they likely wouldnt be enough to warrent a pack

Any ideas?

[night elk]

Reminds me, what's the consensus around thermal? I use it over breach but honestly I could go either way

[cunning wyvern]

Any max level DC wanna pass on a message

[polar trout]

It's so fun, esp in casual as there's so many more lights there

Also smoke thermals is good too

[shell sonnet]

Interchangeable

Breach is good for defending cashouts/traps

Thermal takes some time so its not viable for defending
But it ignites goo/gas, so it has some utility
Does destruction just as good
And is just better as sniper for opening sightlines from afar

(Also helps against snipers because it can apperantly 1-cranes if you hit the controle station, only heard about it though)

[long isle]

yes

[cunning wyvern]

Yes

[polar trout]

Oh shit you meant bore mb

[shut bane]

How about a modern break action gl skin with a modern alofs auto loader

[long isle]

Taser shouldnt stop you from interactions like stealing cashout or resing

[night elk]

My fault, I legit forgot thermal vision was in the game

[shell sonnet]

Forgot, breach has 3 ammo, so technically its better at pure destruction

[polar trout]

No ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[reef vector]

No otherwise no one would play it

[night elk]

Honestly good. Taser is one of the worst concepts for a gadget in the game

[polar trout]

Nah

[shell sonnet]

I wanted break action to be just a normal animation for any launcher

Like you shake your hand, it snaps in half (the cut is hidden by cns cubes) you stuff the shells in, and then snap it back, after which the cubes disappear

[polar trout]

Just stay witcho team an you good

[shell sonnet]

I specifically hoped i could do it exactly that way

For any launcher

[night elk]

I main light with grapple though, taser is the bane of my existence along with glitch traps and turrets. It's not fun to have all my counterplay removed off one body shot

[shut bane]

Mmmm yeah true, though it’d need to be some quick reload animations for each individual grenade for something like the cl40

[polar trout]

L

[shut bane]

Which is why the alofs auto loader came to my mind, it would have also just looked cool as hell

[polar trout]

Just uhh

Idk skill issue

[shell sonnet]

Also, just barrel spin
Like in drg
Just flip the gun

Quick and snappy as inspect animation

[shut bane]

Maybe but that does sound kind of goofy

[shell sonnet]

Take a look at the entire revolver/akimbo animation line up please

But thats basically all i have, gun snap and gun flip

The least we have for animation packs is 4 i think?

Needs more

[shut bane]

True but the the flips are cool 😎

[shell sonnet]

Chip in guys 🙏

[shell sonnet]

So would cl flip be, trust

[long isle]

Can we get a cat added as a gadget? (Skin maybe)

[jolly sable]

LFG

[shell sonnet]

What would it fit though?

[long isle]

hmm...
Some healing tool

Mental support gadget

[shell sonnet]

Needs a beam
Unless its like some yarn i cant think of anything else

But that doesnt feel right imo

[long isle]

Mental support gadget

[shell sonnet]

Unless you mean like as new gadget

Still, likely would need to be a skin anyways

But maybe there is something that can be created with it in mind

If all else fails, make it a gun skin that shoots out fur balls i guess 🤷

[shell sonnet]

You know, ive been thinking about a rework for healbeam

Next to the charge idea, another idea i had was making it a small robot that follows you around and heals nearby teammates
Counterplay being that it can be destroyed
The robot could have a cat skin
(obviously the downside being, you need to shoot a cat to destroy it, not that shelldome is any different right now)

[long isle]

Worth it imo

[supple oracle]

Heavy could use a "Arena Re-constructor" tool, repair the damaged arena

[shell sonnet]

Honestly?
I dont wanna know if how many possible ways that would screw up the servers lol

[edgy dragon]

I was sleeping and an idea for winch claw rework came to my head:

you can charge the winch to have longer range and it would be super obvious for enemies with a sound effect and animation.
Uncharged range would be like 5 or 8 meters and max charge would be 20 meters

[shell sonnet]

Like
Step 1. Destroy the very bottom part of a building
Step 2. Building falls
Step 3. Reconstruct
Step 4. Fly

[shell sonnet]

If you can hear it from 20 meters, it would likely be obnoxious
If you cant, you just gave heavy a 20 meter 1-shotting tool

Spin up for current reach and a slight delay would be good enough

(Imo)

Personally i think it should have been utility without player interaction from the get to

[edgy dragon]

The idea came to me like it would be a dark soul boss move with telegraphed movement

And tbh I just miss when it could reach far

[shell sonnet]

Many dont

[untold creek]

a repulsion grenade

[shell sonnet]

If it effects teammates, it has griefing potential

If its on heavy, it might be broken with sledge, flamethrower and charge n slam

Medium just has better options with jump pad

And light has options altogether

Maybe as moving the cashout option for light?
They dont have that yet

[languid crag]

hk usp skin for lights pistol

[subtle drum]

it do be wildin out there

[reef vector]

Gas and flame can also grief

So does goo gun and grenade

[shell sonnet]

True, but you get out of it pretty easily

If used on Seoul, you could jzst 1 shot your team

But tbf, so does rpg on the bridge, which already happens

But those guys get reported anyways, so it shouldnt stop us from adding new cool things

Just a factor to keep in mind

[reef vector]

I have accidentally gotten multiple team kills with gas grenade

But no one abuses it

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, ive gotten the odd collateral with pyro nades myself
Just gotta keep its potential in mind

[reef vector]

Yeah I think it should be fine on the most part but maybe it doesn’t affect teammates?

[cyan bobcat]

we need impact grenade like in bf1 for light

[reef vector]

But that would be op

[reef vector]

Battle front 1?

[cyan bobcat]

battlefield

[reef vector]

🦫

Battlefront is pretty good too maybe add the jump pack from it?

[cyan bobcat]

emoji looking like a rat taking a huge dump

[reef vector]

Or impact nades

[cyan bobcat]

jump pack/jetpack for heavy cuz medium already has jump pad

[shell sonnet]

Charge n slam in question:

Even as special, heavy kinda aint supposed to do that

[cyan bobcat]

impact nades for light cuz light doesnt have or need a nade launcher

[ocean anchor]

womp

[shell sonnet]

Not mentioning that it screws over melee even harder

[cyan bobcat]

impact grenade - explosive gadget for light: fuse activates on impact and takes 0,2-0,5s to explode. Direct hit on opponent: 150-200dmg. blast radius: very small. damage drop semi high too. also destroys goo and thin structures in blast radius

[sharp walrus]

how do i get interuped stealing cashouts????

[restive plover]

You have to kill them.

[sharp walrus]

darn its quite hard

[restive plover]

It's incredibly stupid and entirely reliant on your opponent to stand there and let you kill them.

[sharp walrus]

i got 3 so far

[shell sonnet]

You can use dagger i guess
Or try battery fishing

[copper spade]

does stun gun work?

[shell sonnet]

I think i saw someone say it does, dont count on it though

[copper spade]

yeah this challenge is kinda rough then. I thought i could use breaching charges and it would work, it doesnt 😦

[dusk apex]

This has probably been talked about before but does anyone know if the ISEUL-T famas skin has any special effects/inspects? I assume probably not but I also haven't seen anyone use it yet

[sharp walrus]

I wish I can use the hook from the heavy

To interrupt the cashout makes it easier

Devs please make this easier than

[old marsh]

It does work actually for me anyways

[night elk]

So can we all agree that riot shield feels awful to fight against? Give it a health bar of like 100 hp or something that knocks it aside if you deplete it

[hardy dust]

It's really bad. One of the worst weapons in the game.

[night elk]

And? Didn't say it was good, that just means not even the people trying to use it are having fun

[hardy dust]

I like it and have fun with it.

You're asking to make it completely useless.

[shell sonnet]

Thats why you can just run away
Be happy if the devs dont add a speedboost to medium

Kinda scared they might, even if only so few people ask for it

It would suck

[copper spade]

fire nade deletes shields, it burns them infinite

[shell sonnet]

Never had that happen to me or an enemy
Does ir really kill them even if they put it away?

[copper spade]

yea unless they patched it

[hardy dust]

Not infinite, but long enough to do 250+ damage.

You need smoke or a heal to live.

[shell sonnet]

Another hidden upside to reshaper
(Once they fix the glitch barrel rotation anyways)

[supple oracle]

What makes the spear bad compared to sledge?

Damage or just lack of the utility you get from destruction?

[restive plover]

Both.

[night elk]

The concept of an unbreakable shield is a bad concept, especially in a game like this. There is very little counterplay aside from just running away, especially on heavy. The niche it filled is mostly filled by duel blades anyways now which is much more balanced for both sides. That's all I want, counterplay. Even the fire nade thing isn't good because there's nothing the shield user can do. I'd be fine if it had some sort of shield charge but the shield was smaller or the shield had health, but almost full vulnerability unless you shoot their feet (not fun for either sides), use a specific gadget (limiting and not fun for shield), or run away (not fun for either) is bad game design

[polar trout]

Can also use stun gun, or does that not count?

[restive plover]

It technically has a reach advantage but they both operate in essentially the same range anyways. Spear loses to sledge 100% of the time.

[polar trout]

This is a horrible take

[polar trout]

Nah the spear can win, it just takes a lot more thought from the spear

[thin sand]

They should make riot shield able to move at regular speed with it up but if it breaks they get some kinda visual impairment maybe

[restive plover]

I actually agree with passive block being dumb and dual blades being a healthier design. But both DB and riot shield are so handicapped by medium's lack of gap closers that proposing a nerf to either is a bit preposterous.

[shell sonnet]

But dont add a gap closer either please

[night elk]

I don't want a nerf, just a rework

[supple oracle]

Spear i swear attacks slower on some chain attacks, also 3 hits to kill a light is pain

The spin move i do like it deals 100 damage each hit and can be spammed for some specific situations

[restive plover]

Making the shield have only 100 health and have to regenerate afterwards would be an insanely hard nerf.

[shell sonnet]

Especially since it cant be used to block for teammates anymore

One of the few things that make it "worth it"

Tanking a full mag while a teammate caps is one of the few high moment i got with that wepaon

[supple oracle]

Speaking of riot shield, does it block a teammates capture process?, i swear i had this happen to teammate when i try to block his hitbox

[restive plover]

The shield is basically a wall, so it can cut off line of sight.

[supple oracle]

Well that explains it

[restive plover]

I think this is also why fire hangs onto it for so long.

[shell sonnet]

Heard that too, not sure if it does

Also, if it does, i see potential to stop enemies from capping

[restive plover]

Someone here took a clip of them doing exactly that.

[polar trout]

Yeah that works well

[restive plover]

Don't remember who it was or where they posted it, but it happened.

[shell sonnet]

Likely funny, but i think ill stick to battery fishing for now

Why just block los if you can 1-shot em

Although, riot works in domes, battery fishing doesnt

[restive plover]

Battery fishing?

[shell sonnet]

Does dome block melee attacks?

[copper spade]

what do you mean by battery fishing??

[supple oracle]

It does and honestly it sucks, as if melee (LIGHT SWORD NOT INCLUDED) dint need more drawbacks

[shell sonnet]

Placing mines 1 floor above the cashout and dropping the mines with demat

Was in the season 4 trailer too

I posted about it a while ago, some others apperantly did too, no idea who posted it first

Didnt seem to have a name, so i dubbed it that

[night elk]

Maybe buff it's range but make it so it has a walls health, meaning things like breach, bore, and rockets could knock it aside for like 0.7s where you can still attack just not block

[supple oracle]

Brother, melee dos not need anymore drawbacks

[shell sonnet]

I wish i knew if my clip was what made the devs put it in the trailer
Ill never know

[supple oracle]

Altough i have a bias against light sword because 2 forms of dashes is stupid

[shell sonnet]

Would end up feeling unresponsive

Even if its "balanced"
People are already complaining about the 5 meter sledge range

[thin sand]

Sword should deal way lss dmg

[polar trout]

Neither dome nor mesh block melee, they also dont block flamethrower

[thin sand]

Youd think 2 swords would deal significantly more damage than one but apparently no

[polar trout]

Just fucking shoot people™️

[thin sand]

Brother its in the game already its too late for that

[hardy dust]

Sword isn't an issue.

[thin sand]

Cant exactly shoot someone who can dash around u 5 times in a few seconds

[hardy dust]

Yes, you can.

[restive plover]

Stabbing is historically more effective than slashing.

[thin sand]

Depends on the weapon/class

[restive plover]

Yeah. It's not even as rapid or as frequent as you've described.

[hardy dust]

Ig it beats other melees.

Not heavy if he has his win buttons.

[supple oracle]

I will ask nicely to not mix real world stuff to game balance, we have dual swords that deflect bullets

[shell sonnet]

That moment when a rifle headshot doesnt kill, but a butt stab does

[hardy dust]

So the only real "guaranteed win" is dagger, riot and dual blades.

[restive plover]

I wasn't being serious, come on.

[supple oracle]

Ah sorry then, i get pissed real quick when Real world stuff is used as example or excuse for balance in a video game

i played helldivers 2, so dont blame me

[restive plover]

I've got no idea of anything going on in that game.

[hardy dust]

How are people bringing up realism in that 😭

[supple oracle]

Lets just leave it as : "dev focuses too much on realism for game balance it loses about 60-70% of the playerbase since everything is unfun or shit to use"

[hardy dust]

I thought it was more that the devs nerfed stuff since people said the game was too easy.

Plus stuff is getting a TON of buffs now.

[shell sonnet]

If they said the game was too easy, then they didnt play hazard 8

[alpine rapids]

Didn't they buff a lot of stuff recently also? I haven't played in months

[supple oracle]

Lets leave that for off-topic shall we?, as much i want to talk about it

[hardy dust]

Honestly it wasnt that bad, and now even difficulty 10 is pretty easy, but I'd expect some big enemy buffs and more difficulties.

[shell sonnet]

True

[thin sand]

That was an exaggeration i mean in a fight. Also im not saying sword is op im saying the fact it does more dmg, is faster and easier than dual blades kinda sucks

[hardy dust]

That's an issue with dual blades, not sword.

[thin sand]

Yea thats what ive been saying

[shell sonnet]

The last combo attack needs a damage buff and the reflects should be more accurate (at the cost of more damage from reflecting)

More distinct from riot, one highly defensive, one seminoffensive

[supple oracle]

How does dual blade deflection works anyway?, i swear i am aiming right at the enemy but the reflected stuff just does not seem to hit

[restive plover]

Combination of server issues and it apparently having random spread.

[supple oracle]

EXCUSE ME, RANDOM SPREAD?

[thin sand]

Yea the last attack clearly seems like it should deal more dmg or be a finishing blow only for it to be worse usually cuz is harder to hit and does same dmg

[hardy dust]

I think it has a cone shaped reflect.

And the last blow should do 140 instead of 70.

[shell sonnet]

Shouldnt 👍

Or like, i guess that just normal bloom?

What i mean is, that that needs to be more accurate

[hardy dust]

From how I understand, the deflected bullet will be anywhere in that cone.

[supple oracle]

Thats horseshit

Why the hell it works like that

[restive plover]

Because uhhh umm uhhhhhhhhhh

[alpine rapids]

I'm kinda pissed that the swords can reflect any melee attack while the riot can't at all
Balance wise I get it but the amount of times i die because i'm less than 40 hp and a light melees me while using it, I wish it would knock away the shield for a while or something and not go through the shield when blocking

[supple oracle]

Wait, youre telling me i can reflect a overhead smash and kill the heavy with the reflection?

[alpine rapids]

It doesn't do damage but i'm pretty sure the deflect can block any melee attack

[supple oracle]

Ah, bugger

[hardy dust]

It just reduced the damage taken.

[sand monolith]

It’s not even really a balance thing tbh

Riot wouldn’t be OP or even oppressive against other melee weapons if it could block them. It would just be an even matchup

[supple oracle]

I want a shotgun for heavy that insnt the SA

Ks-23 being a projectile slug aint it...

[alpine rapids]

Give heavy an AA12

[supple oracle]

What is a exotic shotgun that heavy could use

Someone mentioned a single barrel with alof magazine

[alpine rapids]

Just give heavy a gaint double barrel that instantly kills lights

[supple oracle]

Id rather have a 4-bore instead for double barrel

https://tenor.com/view/gun-4-bore-big-gun-gif-2287384251865604126

[alpine rapids]

Or maybe a saiga 12

[supple oracle]

I dont think auto-shooties will be a thing, theres a reason we have SA with its rotating 4 shots

[primal island]

Already in the game

[supple oracle]

THERMITE IS NOT THE SAME AS 4-BORE (i think)

[alpine rapids]

If only I really want a auto shotty, maybe a revolving shotgun like a sr-410

[subtle crater]

um

[warm jackal]

Guys, I think we should add these in the game:
Anti-interference magnetic field generator: can ignore glitch within the range, and this is the only effect

Reverse magnetic field adsorption shoes: walking on a nearly vertical or vertical plane, for example, you can save yourself from outside the map, but there is a time limit for use

Sonic blaster: basically a shotgun, but it emits sound waves, and players in the nearby area will be shaken away and damaged at the same time, and medium-thick walls such as glass will be shattered. The attack range of this instrument is very wide, covering the range of 2x3 rectangular glass

[lament mountain]

what's the best weapon for this contract? my loadouts typically only use weapons incapable of headshots

[hardy dust]

Probably v9s.

[lament mountain]

...could've sworn it was v95.

[crisp heart]

Headshots? 93r

With headshot contracts, the burst weapons really shine

[primal island]

This game needs an rpk 74 or a bar

[restive plover]

Ok let's be honest. Dagger charge should be an option if you want to hold or toggle

[crisp heart]

I've fought and play with dagger mains. I think they don't need that anymore

[warm jackal]

Agree

[warm jackal]

Also aiming

[warm jackal]

Choose quick fire handguns

[sand monolith]

nah its 93r cause you can get 30 headshots on the same person without killing them

[hardy dust]

True...

[cunning kettle]

lowkey famas performs better at long range than sniper

[supple oracle]

Dual blades needs damage buff to kill heavies faster, its so damn slow to kill a full hp heavy

[hardy dust]

Sniper is pretty bad past 40m now...

[cunning kettle]

yea i find it funny how they do allat to sniper and then give famas a sight and add pike

not that hard to hit headshots after the change but its easy to dodge

lowkey if we could 1-shot headshot mediums i would be down for a complete projectile

ACTUAL BULLSHIT

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[cunning kettle]

yea honestly i shouldve used my glitches

[supple oracle]

wait, is that 1 headshot and a bodyshot?

[cunning kettle]

yea

[supple oracle]

damn, 5hp shy away

[cunning kettle]

yea and pike can kill at range faster than sniper can even if sniper headshots

[sand monolith]

Buff pike

[cunning kettle]

give pike cl40 projectile

[tired charm]

cl40 needs buff

flame thrower needs nerf

[sand monolith]

Walk away from it

[loud merlin]

five hundred damage from RPG

[cunning kettle]

on god

[supple oracle]

I swear to god

lights SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DASH AND SHOOT AT THE SAME TIME, FUCK THESE COCKROACHES

[frank wren]

the cl40 kinda feels like shit now

i think the 90% dropoff right at the edge of the explosion was too much

[tranquil rose]

Is there anything goin on with light sword atm? I'm getting burst down super fast but what appears to be his charged attack, BUT, it's seems much faster than before lol Usually i'm able to react, but in my recent matches the single moment that I saw the little devil coming and get half my health down in seconds

[frank wren]

the cl40 went from undertuned to overtuned back to undertuned

[shut bane]

Im expecting another adjustment tbh, but embark would need to be careful as a certain player class demographic would just go back to having a temper tantrum

[spice vigil]

[calm turtle]

is the pike still good?

[spring oasis]

Right where it should be

[wintry jungle]

it's got the same damage as the S3 pre-nerf LH1, so take that as you will.

[shut bane]

It’s about on par with the lh1 but is more viable at range, not as good close range as lh1 though

Light sniper still better at really long ranges though

[calm turtle]

prob gonna go back to the famas then

[shut bane]

Famas is the better all rounder with the sight on it

[calm turtle]

I would use 1880 but ive used that since season 1, so I wanna do something different

[calm turtle]

sight changes anything?

[cunning kettle]

nah pike out-dps sniper at long range

[crisp heart]

Yes, CL40 stopped being too strong is what happened

[cunning kettle]

oh yea and its harder to hit shots

i love how embark nerfs sniper because of power shift and ta but then add pike which fucks all classes at all ranges

[late sequoia]

I've been having issues with sideways containers (gas and fire mostly) not having hit detection on the two sides (top and bottom of the barrels).

[late sequoia]

I think it'd be less annoying if it only had 4 shots, but reloaded faster (and no interruption delay).

Whoever said DBs don't reflect more than 1 pellet from shotguns was straight-up lying out their a$$.

Just shot a DB guy with a single round from the M26, lost +80hp

[torn mantle]

Anybody have any tips for recoil training?

[normal ice]

"too strong" in low ELOs where people can't aim hitscan, maybe. It was a self-damaging projectile with no headshots and a higher TTK than EVERY ballistic weapon...

[late sequoia]

Yeah, it was effectively a "makes below avg players slightly above avg", but it's tradeoff was a hard cap on potential. It makes above avg players no better, and trash to top tier players.

[normal ice]

Well said. Indeed, the skill ceiling only goes so far for some options

[late sequoia]

TBH, it's practically useless now with the heavy handed self-damage.
1.25x self would have been fine.

[torn mantle]

even 1x could'eve been fine, but right now it's horrible

[late sequoia]

Really hating the "hit enemies with furniture/canisters/etc" sponsor mission this week.

The others were fun, but this one's painful given how slow they are.
Only the explosive canister has the needed acc/velocity to be consistent.

Even hitting heavies with non-explosive ones requires melee range, and it's pisspoor hit detection on top of it all makes a lot of them bad options.
Flame and gas don't even have proper hitboxes, i've tossed barrels straight thru enemy faces with no hit so many times already.

[normal ice]

Yeah, don't know what they were thinking with that challenge. But honestly, throwables have always felt awkward even since S1. Too many times now I've tried to just grab and throw a poison canister only for it to be invisible for a second, shoot out in the completely wrong angle (even towards me), or refuse to detonate when hitting the wall... lol...

[crisp heart]

it isn't a challenge if it's easy

[late sequoia]

It's imbalanced if it's not equal.

[late sequoia]

I just hit a heavy in the chest with a canister at ~25m... it bounced off his chest like a soccer ball, and exploded just out of range (like, 5m or so?) to the left and behind him, did 0 damage.

[alpine iris]

trained goalee

[haughty olive]

bro i just played a game with the new dagger and its so bad. it used to be such a fun weapon the the charge up is terrible. dont get me wrong, being able to hold a charge for weapons like the throwing knives is great, but that mobility is needed with the knives. you charge it for 2 seconds and then you cancel last second and your a free kill. if they revert it back to the old way where you could just right click and it would auto charge to full, it would be viable again. we dont even need to be able to hold the charge if it means no movement slow.

[late sequoia]

Where do you RPG the crane to destroy it?

I've hit the base with the redirect cab, that's not it, the top above, that's not it, dunno where else

[alpine iris]

right between the first plaform and the control plat form, it takes 2 tho, so if a red canister is nearby use that

[spring oasis]

It feels like the sight on the AKM has more visual recoil than the irons

[crisp heart]

or just use the KS

[alpine iris]

ive been able to control it perfectly

[spring oasis]

Visual recoil is different from actual recoil

[late sequoia]

wow, no wonder it's taking so long to get the hit 20x arena carriables one.

I'm on 19/20.
Start a match of Power Point.
Toss a flame canister, bounce it off a medium's head, catch it again, toss it and hit a heavy.

Get hit detectors on both and see their hp bars drop from the impacts.
It lands on the floor of the platform with us, and explodes moments later.

Match ends about 2-3 minutes (and a death) later.
See that im still at 19/20

🤬

[shell sonnet]

Whats the range on gateway again?

[alpine iris]

75m i think?

[cunning kettle]

70 from first gateway, and this only applies to your player, the second gateway can be thrown farther than 70m

[late sequoia]

A while back (2019, I think?) a guy I know who's REALLY into 3D printers and guns linked me something I've since lost, but i've drawn a mock-up in MS Paint of what it looked like.

It's a way to 3D print bullet casings out of ordinary plastics (IE, ABS/Nylon) for reloading.

The cool part is, it does this by making the walls thicker and using an hour-glass internal geometry to create a sort of high-pressure shape charge out of the ordinary reloading powder.

This lets you have low heat, high pressure 3D printed casings that are also thick enough to survive the extreme pressures and temps to function for smaller caliber (up to .357mag, IIRC) rounds.

[inland hatch]

does world tour drop weapon skins this season or nah

[late sequoia]

Left is an ordinary shell, right is one that would be 3D printed out of ABS or whathaveyou

[shell sonnet]

Ty

[alpine iris]

i think the end

[river ridge]

🦾

[late sequoia]

I really wish we could see all store items for weapons from the Equipment page.

[alpine iris]

just go to customization

[late sequoia]

Rather than having to individually select a class, then hit change weapon, then hit overview on a weapon in the selection.

[late sequoia]

+3x as many steps.
Unnecessarily time consuming to view what's available for a larger list of weapons across multiple classes.

Just add a "cosmetics store" tab from the equipment page. Boom, now you can hit 3 buttons instead of 7 just to view one class, and an additional 3 per weapon you want to view, rather than 3 and 1 per weapon.

[alpine iris]

or a tab in the store page for all weapon skins might be nice, i see ur point

[late sequoia]

I wanted to see all options for all light weapons.
Took like 15 minutes to go through it all.

It could have only taken like 4-5 minutes or less if they had a more stream-lined process.

[alpine iris]

store can have a featured page, which is the normal store, and then a weapons cosmetic tab, where u can go thru all the 3 classes and each of them has a more detailed shop for specific things

[late sequoia]

That'd be cool.
Store>
-featured
-classes

Classes>
-Light
-Medium
-Heavy

[Insert Class Here]>
-Abilities
-Weapons
-Gadgets
-Outfits/Garments/Etc.

[alpine iris]

or divide the weapons and equipment maybe into 2 seperate things

might be a little much

[alpine iris]

perfect

[late sequoia]

I'd love to see some more gadget skins.

There's really not much to choose from, and no good looking options (let alone legendaries) for most gadgets.

And the legendaries are practically no-brainers.
IE, molitov cocktail for the flame grenade, LED light bar for flash bang, Shaving Foam canister for Goo grenade, giant inhaler for gas grenade, dry ice in plastic bottle for smoke grenade, various cakes/pies for mines, etc.

[alpine iris]

they should have a flash mine

[late sequoia]

Yeah, but shooting it should detonate it ^_^
Give another good reason for the data reshaper to exist.

[alpine iris]

i havent played it, but i know its underated af

[late sequoia]

It's highly situational.
I've been grinding it for a while now, takes FOREVER.

Mostly, it's best use cases are for getting rid of turrets in Terminal Attack, and changing heavy Barricades so they don't block doors or protect them on the Power Shift platform.

But if there aren't a ton of meds running turret or multiple heavies with barricades everywhere, it's quite underpowered.

[alpine iris]

also i u manage to change multiple at once does it only take 1 charge?

[late sequoia]

Yeah, only 1 charge if you change multiple at once, BUT the path of it's effect is REALLY difficult to line up in battle, so it's either you have plenty of time to get it right, or assume your charges are one-item per use.

Only exception to that is mines/barricades placed really close together.

But since the explosive mine nerf, that's super rare, so mostly just the barricades.

(Gas doesn't stack if you have two clouds, sadly.)

[alpine iris]

it should be able to counter defib, the charge up thing where its rebuilding u should change into a plant smth if u get the reshape onto iut

[late sequoia]

That would be interesting.

[alpine iris]

give people a reason to run it more

[late sequoia]

Would be cool if it applied the glitch effect for a few seconds on cloaked enemies.

(But only if they're actively cloaked.)

[alpine iris]

or it just screwed up any and all cloaking ablities and give it a nmoticable but glitched out thing, kinda like the look of demat

[late sequoia]

Actually, just delaying the revive would be great.

[minor flame]

Why is Pike got a good range but horrible hipfire?

[alpine iris]

i feel if a glitched grenade landed in the radius of a actrive defib it should pause the revive bar

[late sequoia]

Prevents you from decloaking, you can't perform ANY action that would decloak you until the cloak wears out.

[alpine iris]

its meant to be a marksman rifle

[alpine iris]

what if u take damage

[minor flame]

LH1 did a better job then...

[late sequoia]

Maybe the cloak shimmers at max "cloaked visibility" level, making you easy to spot?

[late sequoia]

LH1 is superior in every way, once you've mastered it.

[alpine iris]

or just gave out blue particles like demat

[late sequoia]

Demat should be able to dematerialize foam too, IMO.
It's kinda dumb that the heavy can just spam foam in the cash out room walls and laugh as it hard-counters the dematerializer from popping in unexpectedly.

[alpine iris]

can it demat barricades?

[late sequoia]

It works on barricades, concrete, wood, and plaster alike.
No reason it shouldn't work on foam too.

[alpine iris]

i guess to make goo a viable staller instead of demat mediums running streaight thru, but they have to run demat to do that

[late sequoia]

Demat has to get pretty darn close, to be fair.

[alpine iris]

yeah

[late sequoia]

Not like it has data reshaper range.

--
I still want a good riot shield.

[alpine iris]

they need to have a riot shield for heavy or light, but it slows them down significantly

or they have a pistol that they have to expose themselves to shoot or try to fire with hipfire

[late sequoia]

Pistol would be cool.

TBH, the revolver with decent hipfire instead of the blind man's desperate spraynpray gamble hipfire it's got would be a decent pairing.

At least then it could justify it's utterly pathetic kill-to-reload+long reload speed combo it's got going on

[spice vigil]

hear me out, sniper gets buffed to 120 dmg. this keeps the shots to kill on medium and light, but makes heavies a 3 shot.

[late sequoia]

Heh, sniper takes 4/5 (80% acc) to drop a heavy with body shots and that drops to 5/5 at 80m.
Revolver takes 5/6 shots and drops to 6/6 at 24m (plus drops to 11 shots at 38m)

it's kinda ridiculous how bad they are up close. (Pike too, while LH1's actually decent thanks to it's fire rate and mag size given it's super high damage profile.)

Gotta land an insane amount of shots.
ADS is a death sentence up close 9 times out of 10.
Hipfire's a death sentence 8 or 9 times out of 10.

IMO, sniper should get 240dmg AND have a bit better rechamber time.
Revolver should have less recoil and either 1.5s reload (so it can have a chance of reloading in time to finish off an enemy if you don't have god-tier accuracy) or MUCH better hipfire.

If the 1887 is fine with it's accuracy for close range hip fire, the revolver with it's extremely low kill to mag ratio could easily have it's stand-still accuracy be identical to it's moving accuracy.

TBH, all the non-meta guns should be slowly buffed until they're on-par with the meta ones.

Everything should feel like a solid option, rather than a bunch feeling like downgrades.

[restive plover]

Lh1 also has horrible hipfire. Neither of them should be reliable up close. Pike still kills a little too fast, but hopefully that gets adjusted.

[shell sonnet]

I mean, its nice to have a counter option thats available to all classes and can even be used via barrel if you dont run it

At most it covers like 3-5 meters of a wall, so its not like a demat medium cant just walk a few steps and try agaik
(Or just straight up try a little further up)

Only thing that might be an issue is a heavy that actually just spams goo gun, but that thing needs every advantage it can get

[icy sparrow]

Time to kill is just too quick in this season for all weapons,the pike and deagle(range and recoil)is just way more op.

Somehow the most health class also has high damage weapon plus charge n slam has high damage.
Heavy is supposed to compensate with gadgets(not high damage) while lights for speed and movement.
But no balance in this game.

While charging heavy should have low damage and knock back enemies and have high damage only while slamming

Deagle should be only accurate midrange when u aim and hip fire for very close range,it’s has more range then ks shotgun.

[shell sonnet]

Pinging random people again i see?

[restive plover]

Heavy should be able to kill quickly, just only up close and not at midrange.

[icy sparrow]

Fair enough but with weapons and not gadgets and abilities

[icy sparrow]

I needed u to know stuff about this game

Can’t go on not knowing this

[bitter surge]

Nerf model’s range, it’s a SHOTGUN 🤝

[north flint]

😭

[ornate juniper]

💯👍

[icy forge]

How did you hit that

[gritty swallow]

Should I be using aim assist on riot shield or nah?