💣┇weapons-gadgets

[alpine moth]

I'm interested to see how the rewards play out for which sponsor we choose

[hardy dust]

Top tweaker 27

Invis/gateway/glitch/stun is the optimal build

[summer fable]

Aight thanks Sargeant

[hardy dust]

But you shpuld run grapple, smoke, dart and gas

[covert parcel]

shotgun meta isnt real

[covert parcel]

the shotgun meta is just a figment

[novel quarry]

i think giving light the glockinator would make them competitively viable at all skill levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQg4UhKjdCM&pp=ygULZ2xvY2tpbmF0b3I%3D

[icy sparrow]

@crude leaf broo…..
I don’t think devs ever listen or they do something obviously dumb there is never a good time,just hope they see it and maybe think about it

[crude leaf]

That doesn't mean ping them, and they do listen, it's just that weapon balancing and such has been low this season because of mandatory vacations. Season 4 will bring a bunch of balancing, believe me

[icy sparrow]

Like with ks u before u 3 shot medium before 2 they always get u 1v1 and no way around it like no head shot for accuracy

[icy sparrow]

Hope so

[eager wasp]

it does, two rpgs, less damage, and a cooldown inbetween

[restive plover]

Should be just one rpg with less damage, preloading, and more destruction. Make it not a combat tool and then heavy's weapons can be properly adjusted.

[eager wasp]

or that

[alpine moth]

I don't remember the right dmg but isn't it instant kill if the light isn't full health

[idle reef]

it's 140 on a direct hit

(also just a close to direct hit, I'm not sure how far it can be)

[alpine moth]

I figured so. I just see a lot of people crying for heavy nerf

Not sure if they are playing bad or not using the right advantage to play

[torn sail]

i wish there was somthing about the passage of time that time passes of time through time

my mama always said you dinnt fall out no coconut tree you live in context

[restive plover]

This dude is a robot spouting nonsense.

[crimson wedge]

I still want more points for backstabs with dagger, and maybe a little extra for quickmelee to

[sullen mist]

i want my M1887 to have spin reload, is it from animation reload option or i just need to purchase dough wrangler skin ?

[sand monolith]

You need to purchase the skin

But also I’d wait for season 4 cause there’s a high likelihood it gets nerfed

[sullen mist]

wha.. thats sad i just enjoy this weapon recently its really satisfying to get a kill with it

[sand monolith]

Yeah it feels great but it’s definitely a little strong. Will just have to wait and see what they do about it. Hopefully it still remains useful

[sullen mist]

thanks for the info

[crisp lily]

They should add pirate weapons like flintlock pistols and blunderbusses, maybe even a cutlass skin for the sword

[woven bolt]

A parrot pet and a hook hand as a dagger

[ornate juniper]

Good idea, i think it will be nice as season theme

[crisp lily]

A map that's two pirate ships with firable cannons

Maybe a portside with jusy one pirate ship and you can launch the cannons at the buildings

[silent holly]

Is the spear any good atm?

[fickle radish]

average

[silent holly]

Tragic

[vale obsidian]

what if you can cerve dash 🤔
say i dash forward and hold D my dash will cerve to the right

[fickle radish]

cerve?

[vale obsidian]

curve

english is so stupit sometime

[paper mica]

ho

[vale obsidian]

hola 👋

[ashen hawk]

@narrow bane this fr
a sprint feature while blocking would be so funny tbh it would make it look like a freaking anime fight
but iguess it would make it a bit too powerful tho

[hallow leaf]

it wouldnt make it too powerful it might actually make them usable

[lilac terrace]

the new gun skin shoots fish?? lol

[thorn flower]

Gadget idea:
You can copy parts of the map and paste them but they dissapear after 10 seconds or so
I think it would work the best for medium like a reverse dmz

[rough carbon]

There should be a gimmick to make up for the lack of ammo capacity, like the ability to blunderbuss jump with it like the scout's Force of Nature from TF2

[crisp lily]

That could be a nice option for heavies to gain height but also a nightmare if the lights get it

Maybe make the shots breach or pierce walls

Maybe even a cosmetic change to quick cash where the vaults are buried treasure spots and when you open them the little payload cubes inside are treasure chests

[tranquil pulsar]

Hola

[rough carbon]

I desire a sledgehammer skin which is a sword in a stone but the stone is still attached so it's still a functional smashing weapon

[heavy tusk]

I still think they missed an opportunity for a mochi hammer sledge skin

[rough carbon]

I can hear that image

[noble rampart]

A specialization or gadget:
Fist gun
Does 25-50 dmg
Close range
Could work for L, H, or M

Have have a ref image but won’t let me send it

[vale obsidian]

i love it lol

[ashen hawk]

ye true. honestly reminds me of how m11 lights try to come up to me with cloak and suddnely start firing, then ill stand in one place and block the entire time, bros will die from their own bullets and fire rate lmao

[ashen hawk]

lol and then if u do too many hits consecutively itll break and u could use it as a light sword lmao

[crude leaf]

Does anyone have footage of the new Koi Caliber weapon skins, I'm thinking about buying them and I wanna see if the fish pop out with the CL-40 and the M11

[restive plover]

What grenades count

[vale obsidian]

should be all

[restive plover]

Ok thx

[hollow osprey]

We gonna see a DISSUN ak at any point? 👀

[hallow leaf]

Damn someone is really asking for another AK skin? Are the like 50 that is already has not good enough? It's not like the ak has the most skins in the game or anything

[next root]

New Zipline skin idea:
Bone base with Chains
😱😱😱😎

[vital forge]

I thought the skin store refreshed on Wednesdays?

[next root]

Did it not?

[vital forge]

No. I see here the skins are released but they're not in the store

[crisp heart]

Is Light meta yet?

[vital forge]

@crisp heart The weapons 100% are, but with 150 HP no..... never

[next root]

DAGGER IS GOATED I LOVE IT

[icy sparrow]

Lol

[icy sparrow]

What should be the spear rework?

[rough carbon]

Pugil sticks for spear skin

[icy sparrow]

No I meant the dumb spear combat

[rough carbon]

Or a kayak oar lol

I'm just thinking of silly skin ideas

[icy sparrow]

A boat pedal for spear

[rough carbon]

I think kayak is double sided oar

[icy sparrow]

It’s too thick not stick like

[icy sparrow]

What about silly dagger skin?

[rough carbon]

How about a deadlift bar with weights

[rough carbon]

Back massager, ice pick, epipen

[icy sparrow]

A good one is karate chop with hand lol

[rough carbon]

They gotta go Austin Powers and call it Judo Chop

[icy sparrow]

Judo is grappling lol

[rough carbon]

Thats why it's funny, it's a non sequitur

Also a movie reference from Austin Powers

[icy sparrow]

U mean the speaker who comment on the game?

One them says dagger or a cheese slicer

[rough carbon]

No a non sequitur is a contradicting statement for the sake of humor

[icy sparrow]

I see

[icy sparrow]

How do we fix spear combat?

[rough carbon]

I usually just run from spearmen

Outrange and shoot

If you're a swordie you may have a chance but spears and hammers will mess you up

[safe wagon]

I mean if you use dash and they don’t have the goo gun or chain you could pull it off against hammers

[rough carbon]

I'd say the sword dashers are close to one to one to the melee heavies

They sorta balance each other out

[jade violet]

guys do u think the glitch grenade is useful

i love it more than stun gun now i think

[hallow leaf]

How does spear have anything to do with ak skins?

[restive plover]

That guy just pings people about random things whenever he gets tired of shouting dumb ideas into the void. It's best to ignore him.

[sharp walrus]

Can you block melee with the shield?

[remote swan]

i don’t believe so

[jade violet]

whats the game news about update?

Oscar lost his dream and rob murdered oscar?

[hallow leaf]

I was so confused, he replied to a comment about ak with something to do with spear which is irrelevant

[shell sonnet]

Spear combat is pretty much fine imo

But its secondary attack needs some work so it can keep up with sledge

A lot of people asked for a spear throw

I personally wouldve loves a helicopter-esq flying mechanic

Sledge for destruction
Spear for movement

Spear m2 attack needs to be interruptable
Hit everything it passes through (not just the first 3 things)
And maybe increase the knockback on cashout stations

[hallow leaf]

Imo I think spear alt attack should be a cone infront of you instead of it following the tip of the spear

[shell sonnet]

Nah
Being 360° is interesting an unique

Also funny to jump down a hole and hit a full team thats trying to cap

[hallow leaf]

Or make it be a full 360 that does a knock back

But currently it's too inconsistent to be usable

But it's still 10000% better then the shit show that is dual blades

[shell sonnet]

Just knockback would be a bit eh

Object knockback and consistent player damage would be preferable

[hallow leaf]

Now those need a buff

[shell sonnet]

I mean
Theyve got that whole defensive ability thing going on
And they melt lights (with reflects)

Theyre fine

Not great, but casually decent

[hallow leaf]

Dual Blades final attack on the 3 part combo needs it's damage doubled and you should be able to sprint while blocking

[hallow leaf]

They arnt competitive at all, they need buffed

[shell sonnet]

Sprint would make it busted

Being able to outrun melee is a big part of what keeps it balanced

[hallow leaf]

Currently the damage is 50x2, 60x2, then 70

[sand monolith]

Remove spread from the reflect and double the damage of the final swing

[hallow leaf]

It wouldn't be though, light melee gets dash and heavy has wench and charge to catch people

Just giving them no slow on blocking is what they need

[shell sonnet]

They dont need to be competetive
Getting everything competetive is impossible

And high ranks will just use whatever is slightly better anyways

Its better to balance around casual, where i think its fine enough

Something like accurate reflec is fine imo
But not much more

[sand monolith]

Mediums melee weapons aren’t really meant for chasing and getting kills though

[hallow leaf]

And fix the deflecting, the deflecting on other melee is too janky and they seems to block nothing on shotguns

[sand monolith]

Realistically out of all the melee weapons, mediums should be the hardest to get kills with

[hallow leaf]

You can block m1 from other melee but you need to be 2-5 m away from them if you are too close it doesn't block and top far and there is no need to block the melee

[shell sonnet]

They are defensive after all

[sand monolith]

Yeah very

[hallow leaf]

They have the ability to block other melee but it's so hard to pull off because it was poorly designed

[shell sonnet]

They do?

[hallow leaf]

All weapons should be for killing wtf are you on

[sand monolith]

Mediums melee weapons are intentionally focused on self preservation rather than killing

[hallow leaf]

Yes, you need to be in the sweet spot though

Too close and they bug about and don't block

[shell sonnet]

One could say sledge gives up a lot of killing power for utility (discount winch on that one)

Theyre not wrong

[sand monolith]

yeah a lot of weapons sacrifice offensive power for utility

[shell sonnet]

They still kill, just less good

In return you get powerful defensive utility

[hallow leaf]

But regardless the finishing move in the combo needs is damage buffed it should be 50x2,60x2,70x2 or 50x2,60x2,140 not 50x2,60x2,70

[shell sonnet]

Look at sniper

Fighting close range is harder
In return, you get to make people uninstall from afar

[sand monolith]

yeah it is insanely bad

to the point where just swapping to a gadget and back to the dual blades to go back to the first attack is better

[shell sonnet]

Id like to stay clear of one-shots
Otherwise (even if they need to time it)
They coul swing early and the 1 shot you

No fun

I mean, on lights, fair enough
No different then sledge

But medium and above should not be
And not something where a quick melee or something instantly ends them

[hallow leaf]

It will still get stomped by sledge, I don't see the argument

It won't make them op in any way it will just make them usable

And tbh that combo takes a long time to pull off so it should be rewarding for actually finishing it

And it wouldn't be a one shot it will be a 5 or 6 shot

[shell sonnet]

Thats defensive melee thats bugged and isnt defending
vs
A high damage powerhouse

Kinda to be expected

[hallow leaf]

The combo is relatively slow so you should be reward for finishing it

And if they buff the final attack it would do the same damage as an rpg

[shell sonnet]

Hold on, i may be stupid

[hallow leaf]

It just means you have more of a chance vs heavy

[shell sonnet]

I read that as 270
Mb

[hallow leaf]

If you get both of the first 2 sets of the combo done lights are dead regardless so the buff on the final attack won't effect lights

It will just make them more usable and competitive

[shell sonnet]

I thought you wanted the final attack to 1-shot mediums

[hallow leaf]

They literally get stomped by ever other melee in the game even riot shield because the damage is so shit

[shell sonnet]

Does the final attack only deal 70 damage right now?

[hallow leaf]

Sadly yes

It's bs

[shell sonnet]

So actually worse than any previous attack

Yeah, in that case i have nothing to complain about

Go nuts, let it deal the double damage it deserves

[hallow leaf]

Exactly

If they do nothing else but double the damage on the final attack I'll be happy if that's all they get

Idk who at embark thought that having the final attack on the combo be that bad was thinking but they need fired

[remote swan]

the final hit should not be doing the same damage as the riot shield

[hallow leaf]

"let's make it not rewarding at all for finishing the combo"

[shell sonnet]

Dual blades

[hallow leaf]

Shit blades

I find them fun but I feel punished for trying to kill someone with them

[shell sonnet]

But again, it is quit defensive

The final attack doing more damage i can get behind

But we should be cautious with anything else

[hallow leaf]

I can agree with that, I just want them usable man

Give me a legit reason to use them over the riot shield

[remote swan]

i’ve only had 2 times where i had dual blades work well
the first was because the enemy heavy put a barricade behind their own lights which blocked their only escape route
the second was being pocketed by a healing beam

[hallow leaf]

Because currently there isn't one

[hallow leaf]

If your going to be pocketed at that point just use and ak and pump out more damage

[remote swan]

i wanted weapon xp

[shell sonnet]

You can stink on lights that think they can spray and pray you down for free

[hallow leaf]

That's just taking candy from a baby

[shell sonnet]

But i do get why thats not too much
But its something

[hallow leaf]

A good light will let you get close then just burst you down

Literally every other weapon can out ttk them, so just let dual blades get close and spray and pray

[shell sonnet]

I had a vegas match today where 3 seperate people got stuck because there was a 2nd wall/floor

Should i post about it in feedback and ask for aoe dematerializer (again)?

[hallow leaf]

99% of the time when a dual blades user gets close they will be spamming m1 not blocking with them so you are free to shoot

[hallow leaf]

Demat needs 4 charges

[sharp walrus]

I wish

[shell sonnet]

And thats how you get them

Nobody expects it

[shell sonnet]

Doesnt fix the issue

You would still get suck

[remote swan]

this is why i prefer riot shield, because if i get shot during an attack, i can turn to the side to mitigate the damage i take

[hallow leaf]

And a thicker area of effect to go through the random little shit

[supple perch]

It needs to just always go through walls. Maybe not 4 charges but I think rematerializing the wall should be free

[hallow leaf]

If you could rematerialize for free then it wouldn't need 4 charges but since it takes a charge to remat then I think it needs 4 charges and a thicker area of effect

Vegas is so annoying for Demat sometimes you use all 3 charges just to go through one wall

[supple perch]

Idk, the recharge time isnt that slow but I'd take 4 charges. Waiting for the sniper for the medium to drop so you dematerialize a small hole in a wall and snipe through and then close it up

[shell sonnet]

I think it should dematerialize in an aoe
And rematerialize for free (so you dont need to waste 2 charges to close a hole that took 1 to open)

That may be a bit much so id consider removing 1 charge

That may not be needed though

[hallow leaf]

when you aim through demat its like aiming through water you will miss on single shot things its hell for the revolver

so it might not be great for a rifle

[shell sonnet]

I love demat with cl-40 and mines

Battery fishing is fun

Just wait till someone is capping and 1-shot them

[remote swan]

that sounds fun
i’m going to try that next time

[shell sonnet]

I love it in bank it
Because all the lights think they can carry on their own

1 mine is enough to kill them
And it usually takes long enough for the next guy to show up that you can deposit

As rat-like as it is
The results speak for themselfes
(Unless the teammates complain about camping/not helping them)

[zealous nymph]

I need me an AA12, a SPAS12, a double barrel elephant rifle in .700 NE, and i need me a Kolibri pistol in 2.7mm

[remote swan]

i usually run dematerializer with riot shield so i can run through as many walls as i need to become a shield for my teammates, or so i can flank and act as a decoy

[hallow leaf]

i like to go above a cash out and place mines then drop them when someone tries to steal, and since they are already active you dont have to wait for them to activate like how you would if you just threw them down the hole

[remote swan]

that is genius

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, battery fishing

I think ive got a clip of me doing that around
Hold on

[hallow leaf]

is that what its called? ive been doing it since demat came out

imo demat is the most fun med spec, so much cool shit you can do with it

[shell sonnet]

No idea

There was no name for it

People call opening the floor and shooting down ice fishing

So i just called it battery fishing

Seems fitting

[hallow leaf]

makes me think of the memes of throwing dynamite in water to fish

[remote swan]

that’s what i thought too

[shell sonnet]

And thats exactly what we are doing

Given, its explosives, not a battery

But aoe is aoe

Though dynamite does fit too...

[hallow leaf]

apperently dynamite fishing is called blast fishing so we could call it that

[remote swan]

now i want to get a team with as many mines as possible + a sonar grenade and space the mines out in the attic and drop them wherever people are standing in the room below

[shell sonnet]

But but my battery :(

[remote swan]

i gotta try this strategy while wearing my fishing hat

[shell sonnet]

didnt find it in my video folder
but i did post it here before

[somber halo]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GFK17rAJfsI
maybe make something like this?

[unborn stirrup]

MEDIC GAMING

(please embark add more support tools i want to be able to fill my entire loadout with things that only help my teammates)

[crystal sigil]

hi

[next root]

No fucking shot I had this exact thought

[hollow osprey]

@hallow leaf Everyone knows that, but it's the fact that they're adding DISSUN branded skins for most of the guns now, I have a character based around that sponsor, and when I want to use the ak, I would prefer it be that.

The FCAR DISSUN skin is perfection, and I would prefer to use the FCAR, but unfortunately the ak is what is meta right now.

[stuck totem]

The akm get a nerf ? or i just so tired today to shoot nicely ? XD

[pallid moth]

If these koi guns shoot fish the water gun flamethrower should throw water!!

[pallid stirrup]

omg

that's so true, and the CL40 should shoot fish too

[pallid moth]

Wait it doesn’t? It definitely should!

Next evolution of in game cosmetics here!

[pliant mesa]

need a hotfix buff asap for the bow, 17 games and counting to get a win with my boy using bow 😭

[hallow leaf]

bow doesnt need a buff its great where its at

[pallid moth]

Riot shield rain glitch? Kinda cool tbh

[lament mountain]

does anyone have footage of the fish guns actually firing?

[remote swan]

#🔴┇media-chat message

[versed siren]

guys trust they just added a cool ass skin for lewis and cl40 which obviously means they will be meta next season (m60 is cooked, no custom modeled skins, def getting nerfed into the ground)

[shell sonnet]

i cant quit tell
did the medium get stuck in a wall during a demat or was he shooting someone from there?

@cold timber what did they change about dematerializer?

[cold timber]

before it would be able to demat multiple walls and objects, which sounds a little busted… until it was changed so only one wall can be dematted in one charge, so that means on a lot of walls in game you’re gonna need two charges (or even 3) in certain spots on maps

which is a horrible change, it was better back as it was

imagine running to a wall and dematting it only for the other wall to stop you

I pray they add a hot fix and revert it back to its original state, I’ve been loving demat and now it’s just frustrating to use

[shell sonnet]

i literally saw that happen to enemies 3 times in 1 match

[cold timber]

exactly

[shell sonnet]

i want to post it
but i do need some opinions on if thats what actually happened here

[cold timber]

yeah that’s what happened to me too

[shell sonnet]

found an old clip

it should have dropped the mine on them, which would have killed both of them

i have plenty of clips

i love the plays you can pull with it, its incredibly fun

but stuff like this?
just sucks the fun out

[bold peak]

a musket would be fire

[shell sonnet]

hard to balance
single shot means high damage

1-shots suck to face

[sand monolith]

2 minute long reload

[shell sonnet]

1:1 trades are as balanced as you can get
you kill someone, they kill you

balanced, just dont ask about the fun factor

[compact dagger]

Check out my teamwipe

https://youtube.com/shorts/DRlGw__rRRA?si=EthS_duakIKGq0GY

[shell sonnet]

@chilly sigil

[chilly sigil]

Thanks.

[unborn stirrup]

Snipers are already oppressive as is, adding a musket would just end up being funny.

[shell sonnet]

Sniper needs headshots to 1-shot other lights

A musket would likely get the sh1900 treatment and just kill people in 1 "mag"
Just that it has a single shot instead
Meaning it would need to 1 shot probably at least medium to be decent

That would likely be worse

[unborn stirrup]

yeah and thats an entirely hypothetical scenario implying the musket would be turned into this op "fuck you" gadget

stop thinking optimized and start thinking fun, a good musket (imo) would be something like 4-5 second reload and 200 damage, with a massive accuracy penalty if hip fired

[shell sonnet]

I want fun

But there is massively more potential to ruin the fun than to add it

If its added and its decently fun and no issue
Then you have one of (how many weapons does light have again?)
Some small % of more variety

But if its busted, everyone will use it and ruin the fun for everyone else
(Thinkg of rpg for example)

Too risky imo

[unborn stirrup]

I still wont even ever truly understand or feel the rpg hate so maybe its just too high iq

but i genuinely only ever stop having fun when some really good light is playing against me

[shell sonnet]

Meh
I had a blast with heavy today
Didnt feel defib or rpg as much as usual

Probably because i had it to match/counter

Viewpoints are heavily tied to playstyle and class choice

[forest zodiac]

Let the grenade drop and go off if I've already pulled the pin when I die

Please it would be funny

[restive plover]

Budget dead go boom.

[gray willow]

oi

new gun perhaps? or am i blind...

[reef bear]

Now idk about you guys but I’ve been playing with this photo trying to analyze it I want everyone’s opinion so you guys think it could be some sort of m4 or maybe an m4 type rifle

[gray willow]

nope thats a new gun

[gray willow]

i dont know my irl guns\

[reef bear]

Looking at that barrel it’s some sort of m4 carbine or rifle of some sort I’ve been asking for it for so long I pray it is

[gray willow]

it also looks like it has a sniper scope...

[reef bear]

But they are adding the option where you can put sights on the rifles so it could be that maybe an m16

[gray willow]

so like just customizable guns?

[reef bear]

Nah just the sights for what I know so maybe we can take sights on or add a type of sight that has been confirmed

[gray willow]

ok i see

[reef bear]

Ima go look at some rifles and I’ll be back with a conclusion hopefully

[arctic fog]

I think it's going to be similar to the lh1 but I'm not sure idk guns very well

[amber cloak]

That's a dmr for the medium

Heavy gets deagles, light gets a new shotgun

[reef bear]

Huge possibility but if you look at the barrel real close it has the m4 carbine barrel design modification

[arctic fog]

Lol I have no clue what that means

[amber cloak]

It's a semiauto dmr bro

[reef bear]

I can see that pretty much I could be wrong I just hope it is tbh

[gray willow]

thats a sick barrel

[amber cloak]

Yeah it really is a cool weapon design, no matter what gun it is

The shotgun as well looks dope af

[gray willow]

wait can u send a photo?

of the shotti

shotgun*

[wet night]

So like why is the duel blades on the medium?

[amber cloak]

Ummm either rock hound black or thiixy or someone has a video with the irl guns and the in game onrs

[feral ibex]

iis it just me or is the med shotgun fkin busted atm

[wet night]

it is unfortunately. I really like the gun but it will probably be nerfed at some point

okay duel blades feel useless if I use the block feature but the enemy can still kill me with a full clip

[feral ibex]

they need to make nades made more sound when they land and role around

[pallid swift]

Medium needs a melee too

[wet night]

Riot shield which works better for their play style

[pallid swift]

But light has knife and rapier. Heavy has hammer and spear

[wet night]

Which fit their playstyle while the duel blades don't match the mediums style

[sand monolith]

It’s not a big issue against WT players cause there’s no sbmm so they’re not really good enough to know how to use it

Once you start fighting players who don’t use it immediately every fight though

:-(

[glass kettle]

Knife tips anyone?

[tame comet]

Backstab

[glass kettle]

Well nah shitt lmaooo like to flick stab or general movement tech that ties in well

[hallow current]

I - personally - would not be mad if they:
Nerfed the strong guns
Buffed the weak ones
& Made all three new guns strong on release.

If they did something like this I - personally - would feel like the game is fresh & new.

There is no good way of articulating this but I just want people to use new weapons now.
Especially since we only get 1 new gun per class each season

[clever geode]

If you dash at someone while charging up your knife, you can turn arround 180 degrees and it glitches and gives a backstab even if it’s on the face

[glass kettle]

its really inconsistent \

[reef vector]

How do I join th ottr discord

Make cl40 gud

And give the burst pistol gud

And a riot Shield buff

[pine grail]

What time is the stream today

[brisk pivot]

1000% AGREE

[wet night]

the duel blades are trash and dont feel like they were playtested at all

[glass kettle]

`REMOVE MNES FROM THE GAME

as a light main im sick of getting insta killed by mines being spammed on everything

[west ore]

Maybe be more cautious and listen to the mine sound cues? Very easy to avoid.

[silk jungle]

Maybe I just never noticed.. but does the rpg do more damage to you than to enemies? i just jumped past a pole or smth and instakilled myself with my own rpg when it hit really close to me. It did like 260 damage

[shut bane]

You shoulda been there for when they did actually one shot you lol, they’re fine as they are now

[silk jungle]

I'm not a fan either, but my main problem is the quantity. feels like in earlier seasons there were some in a couple games, but now it's like playing mine sweeper

[wet night]

as a medium main I am tired of getting surprised jumpped and bursed down with little to no counter play

[glass kettle]

solutionj give medium better options so ppl stop crutching mines

[wet night]

the best option vs lights right now is proactive trap usage it is why you are annoyed

To make mediums better able to handle lights you would have to nerf lights as well

[glass kettle]

no buff medfiums and give trhem a higher skill ceiling

[wet night]

Mines require skill, you have ot place them in an area where they will be triggered but not noticed as well as know ahead of time where enemies are going to go

[silk jungle]

a higher skill ceiling wont mean less traps tho.

[glass kettle]

no im saying give you mediums more powerful gear that is slightly harder to use so it ups the skill ceiling

[amber ermine]

I wish embark didn't change the turret ability where u have to pick it again of u wanna use it later

[silk jungle]

What rank do you play at? because i think in qp and lower ranks that wouldn't make mines any less common

[amber ermine]

gadgets that help In confined places so it would be easier to 1v1 a light

sense u can't really do that much as a medium against a cloak or dash light in closed space
unless u have the dematerialaizer

[wet night]

Even with dematerializer they can just follow you since they are faster and can close the space quickly

[amber ermine]

that's why I'm playing with the model lately

[wet night]

and that is likely the weapon that gets nerfed first for mediums

[amber ermine]

hope not

[wet night]

I would says if they wanted to make mines less used they need to buff mediums current melee weapons and maybe give them a more viable horizontal movement option

[amber ermine]

but I don't think so
sense it's a skill demanding weopon

[wet night]

and slightly nerf lights movement options

[amber ermine]

they already did some with the nerf for the swords leap

[wet night]

that doesnt fix the single target burst that light has with its guns

[amber ermine]

tried neons build with the grappling hook goo grenade and the double barrel

it's Hella busted ngl

[wet night]

which is why mediums need mines

[amber ermine]

they gave recon to light and the best way to counter them is to play as a recon light
kinda wierd and an uncomfo position for the medium

[boreal laurel]

I think they should just give riot shield back the ability to walk over mines and delete them

[vale obsidian]

light is design to be the duel king on the flank...

[vale obsidian]

this one i complately agree with

[silk jungle]

cant remeber a getting a single kill with the DB that was skill. i wish i was better with that thing

i dont mean that as a front. i just only get lucky kills with that haha

[amber ermine]

u just have to be confident enough to get close to the enemy

[boreal laurel]

I got one yesterday when I was trying to shoot a light and his teammate dashed through the door into my way. He probably thought I was wall hacking 😄

[arctic fog]

If they let us sprint while blocking or deflecting it would automatically be like 50% better

[amber ermine]

but would be harder to deflect while running

[vale obsidian]

duel blade is medium worst weapon anyways so 50% better will only make it more in line with other weapon

[vale obsidian]

run and gun hip firing is not hard at all so doing the same thing with duel blade shouldn't be an issue

[fleet brook]

How are you guys having this big of an issue with mines

I don't think mines should activate if shot out by an enemy tho that's bs

[silk jungle]

with the dual blades i thought it might be better to have them deflect/block all direct damage but having the deflect on a "cooldown". so someone cant just stand there

[fleet brook]

Then it'd still be bad vs automatics and lmgs and smgs

[silk jungle]

yeah true

[boreal laurel]

I personally don’t mind mines that much, I just want the shield to be good 😉

[fleet brook]

Yeah my only issue is them activating even if the enemy shoots them

[arctic fog]

Mines are fine rn actually it's just annoying when a 3 stack of mediums is spamming them all over an objective

[fleet brook]

You're punished for removing the mine that's stupid they're guaranteed area denial

[arctic fog]

That's fair wym

[silk jungle]

i dont know if it was just everyone being new to the game, but riot shield felt so so much better in season one. after that it felt like a hassle to play

[fleet brook]

I'd like you to name another game where mines go off at full effectiveness even if an enemy destroys them

[boreal laurel]

Agreed, especially now that flamer and MGL are being used more

[fleet brook]

It's guaranteed area coverage and it's kinda brain dead in that way

[silk jungle]

fax. also i kinda get pissed when mediums use 3 sets of mines over at least a defib

[vale obsidian]

nah that should be in the game
a way around it is give it a "defuse" macanic where you walk up to it, hold interact, and it'll delete itself witout doing any effect

[fleet brook]

Been playing since beta had this take since beta

Mines shouldn't reward you for just randomly throwing them down

They're traps

Pyro mines and gas mines are guaranteed area coverage even if you just mess up and throw them randomly in a tight building leading to a no thought play style in any tight area

[fleet brook]

Embark also made the weird choice to make mines thick obvious circles

[silk jungle]

but then they would have to really work on the hitbox of the mine. because i've died so many times from mines i actively tried to avoid. feels like sometimes the area of activation is like 1-2 meters

at least when i play the thicc heavy

[vale obsidian]

i think they made it that way cus they don't want people to jusst jump over it

[fleet brook]

A good representation of a "mine" character to me is kapkan from R6 obvious mines if you're paying attention

If not you're getting f ed up

[amber ermine]

did anyone notice in the teaser around 0:10 in one frame it looks like tje medium is able to deploy 2 turrets, it is in the frame with the heavy infront using his shield and the light on the left with the m26

I hope it's a bug cause otherwise that's insane

[silk jungle]

yeah but a more narrow area wouldn't change the fact that you cant jump over

[fleet brook]

I mean meh turrets are kinda not hard to deal with unless more than 1 med brings it

[amber ermine]

imagine 3 mediums and 6 turrets 💀

[fleet brook]

Glitch grenades

RPG

Most long ranged weapons

Grenades

If you're a mad man meds changing gadget (I'm tired)

[amber ermine]

but that many turrets in a syshorizon room that u can't destroy is busted

[fleet brook]

I mean it'd require the meds to take both turret and aps but not busted

[amber ermine]

can't destroy from above

[fleet brook]

Heavy with a shield

Medium amount of coordination

Destroy the floor

[silk jungle]

i mean i dont know that scene from the trailer, but if that is true i dont get it. Just because i feel like turret is in a good place atm

[fleet brook]

You also never gave me a reason that they should activate if actively destroyed by an enemy (not being rude) it's just every time I have this discussion it's just

Nuh uh
.

[potent plaza]

do they plan to nerf that braindead medium shotgun next season ?

160 dmg with 2 shots from 15m distance is just idiotically broken

[vale obsidian]

(acitentally send the msg)

[sand monolith]

It will likely be nerfed in 4.0 thankfully

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah mb
when you spot mines in a door way you have a risk reward facter that i really like, but if we have that change you susgess you just have to shoot it and be on your way

it dosn't delay you at all

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/live-nuclear-reaction-live-tucker-reaction-live-reaction-gif-25285499

[fleet brook]

I'd suggest mines require hiding like to the side on the entrance to the door and they shouldn't be giant floppy disk sized thing

Smaller easier to hide more punishing to step into

[potent plaza]

thank god

[sand monolith]

I have no idea how people defend medium having an insane shotgun when the class has 0 downsides for being close up like light and heavy do

[silk jungle]

smaller, harder to find, and more punishing? why tho..

[vale obsidian]

they do it bc its the most fun weapon medium have

[fleet brook]

Meds poor movement and lack of a bunch of health make it hard to disengage

[fleet brook]

Last I checked mines were traps not

I've set this down here so F you I'm getting guaranteed value

[vale obsidian]

not really?
you just have to position better and it all good

[fleet brook]

Also meds identity as the medium ranged gun class is kinda being dipped into by light

Medium ranged support class

[sand monolith]

Medium has better movement than heavy and the model lets you move freely while using it. Also, jump pad

[silk jungle]

i mean i just think of r6 and other games with claymores that detonate from the side of an entrance. and those are just even more annoying if you have to find the right angle to shoot them if there even is one. also if you use fire or gas mines you get your value from the extra delay that happens even if you shoot them

[fleet brook]

Well I wasn't comparing the movement to heavy I was comparing it to light? Everyone has better movement then heavy

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah but you don’t need to disengage from a light up close when you can 1 tap quick melee them

[fleet brook]

You shouldn't be rewarded for your trap being destroyed by someone who isn't you

I think shooting your own mine should still set it off tho

Also I was thinking something more lesion but bigger

Newer legion not old hidden legion (ik I'll never have him back)

[silk jungle]

wait... lesions traps aren't invisible anymor??

[sand monolith]

Legion titanfall

[fleet brook]

Nah they stick out of the ground it's kinda fairly obvious to anyone with eyes

In the trade off they gave him more upfront damage per mine and mine stacking is much worse

It's not even faint it's just visible

[silk jungle]

i mean i get that to some degree. but i still think hidden mines (no matter how they're hidden) dont fit this game. having to be careful at any entrance checking each side carefully just goes against what the finals is to me. a fast chaotic game not like siege/ready or not where the whole point is being tactical and careful

[fleet brook]

I mean current mines slow down the game massively your choices are

Put yourself at a massive disadvantage and tell the enemy team where you are entering from

Or shoot ......wait depending on the mine 2-3+ seconds and enter with the enemy team knowing where you're coming from

[ornate schooner]

What are we thinking is gonna be the strongest new gun in season 4

[silk jungle]

but right now you can (most of the time) easily spot a mine and chose if you want to accept the dely and giving the enemy information. If the mines are hidden you cant chose to go through another (maybe less advantageous) entrance, because then you would have to check for mines every time someone in the match is using mines. to me having the choice of shooting a mine and using another way is way more interesting than having to play minesweeper at every doorway

[fleet brook]

XP 54 for light

[silk jungle]

model 1887.

[fleet brook]

It's probably gonna get the lmg treatment

[ornate schooner]

Like out of the 3 new one’s coming in season 4

[fleet brook]

Prob lights gun

[silk jungle]

they're gonna nerf it like back in season 2. weaker than before but still strong af

might be a bit pessimistic, but whatever haha

[fleet brook]

Tbf I'm still in dbd mindset of what they did to skull merchant

But lmgs aren't weak they just suck

Which is weird ik

[restive plover]

LH1 iron sights are weird

[silk jungle]

i'm honestly really excited for the mediums new weapon. even if I'm absolute garbage at playing long range

[restive plover]

What is the medium new weapon?

[gusty harness]

Heavy deagles being completely unballanced at launch

[wraith willow]

does the v9s have a higher ttk than the xp?

[mellow hazel]

Do we have a changes list yet?

[pine grail]

I doubt it but I wish they are at least good

[plucky crown]

the double eagle looked sick but still sad that the revolver still look bad 😦

[shell sonnet]

They have bloody battery fishing in the trailer
I am ecstatic

[sacred cypress]

BUFF THE HEAVY DUAL DEAGLES

[heavy tundra]

Did we get any new gadgets???

[quaint salmon]

I want a scope for the Sledgehammer

[jade violet]

I like this sight!

and AKM lost 4 rounds

[sacred cypress]

Embark PLEASE GIVE THE DUAL DEAGLES LASER SIGHTS it would be so good

[jade violet]

do u think they will buff FCAR in S4

they only show AKM in TwitchCon

[shell sonnet]

No idea

What changes did you see?

I think akm has less ammo
Glitch trap seems to have 1 charge
I think someone opened a door during a stun? (Could likely be wrong though)

I dont see a lot of people running defib

[restive plover]

They better have given akm something besides a sight if they took away ammo.

[burnt canyon]

Kinda looks like rpg has extra reload time

Nobody talking ab famas having a scope

[royal sierra]

https://www.twitch.tv/thefinals/clip/PreciousBloodyWatermelonRiPepperonis-aEj3YdT2-0YJy3YE
can we please have more weapon mods? 🙂

[shell sonnet]

Too bad that doesnt change anything
You only need 1 rpg to win a team fight

You likely just reload outside of fights

[burnt canyon]

It really doesn't

[dreamy sage]

RPG has apparently gotten dmg nerf? 120-130

[burnt canyon]

Probably just means people who get hit first don't get that extra fast reload into rpg death trade

[compact wing]

Anyone has an answers? Didn’t see any new gadgets or spec

[burnt canyon]

Needs to go to 80-95 dmg

[shell sonnet]

Thats like what? 10%?

Instead of 1 m60 bullet, you need 2 to kill a light

[burnt canyon]

130 just means rpg is less effective against rival heavies and barely changes against the other classes

[terse raptor]

What new weapons and gadgets are coming in season 4?

[shell sonnet]

I really want rpg to just be heavies thermal bore

2 charges of long range destruction

(Only difference being that its instant, doesnt have fire, and maybe bigger destruction aoe)

[burnt canyon]

Light shotgun, medium dmr, heavy dual pistols

[burnt canyon]

Idk why people seem to argue against the idea of rpg doing 80-95 dmg but having larger arena destruction

Seems like such an easy fix

[dreamy sage]

Medium DMR is chefs kiss, finally a way to return fire effectivly on those pesky snipers XD

[shell sonnet]

Because heavy mains dont want to be crippeled against the other classes broken items

Unaware that they are the reason they want these items to stay the way they are

[gray willow]

bro i wish the snipers get nerfed

they are in very ranked lobby ever to exist

[burnt canyon]

Same kids who envy their 140 trump card are the same ones who argued nukes were fine cuz they were "part of the game"

[dreamy sage]

I still stand by my idea of RPG retaining arena destruction but building up player dmg the longer it travels. Reaching current levels.

[burnt canyon]

All things considered if you wanted to make snipers also more balanced for things like TA, just make the bullet have travel time like the ksg, hitscan 230s is crazy

[shell sonnet]

Defib doesnt seem to have changed either

Still faster than a normal revive
Still less risky
Still free hp
Still free extra dps
Still another person you have to chase down

Cant wait for every medium ever to not change their loadout at all

[shell sonnet]

Only stops "bad" people that cant deal with travel time

(Imo) it needs a clear cut rework to fit medium range instead

[burnt canyon]

Idk how they'd be able to rework sniper tbh, bow kinda is what sniper should have been without drop

But nobody complains ab bow because you have to be good w it to use it well

[dreamy sage]

Not happy about mesh shield getting nerfed to shit tho :/

[burnt canyon]

Double mesh is to blame for nerfs tbf

[shell sonnet]

Medium range high power rifle

Same damage
Give it drastic damage falloff beyond medium range
Let shots break walls in 1-2 hits

Allows the user to make shortcuts for the teams
Open up paths to attack/defend from
Etc.

Thoughts?

[burnt canyon]

If it's mid range then it just competes with lh1 now that LH has a scope

Opening up paths idk, seems weird

[dreamy sage]

Doesn't glitch nade solve that easily tho? Or mine.

[burnt canyon]

Not in tournament when you are mandatory losing a slot just to try to counter double mesh for like 5 seconds if you hit both

[shell sonnet]

It does but both are different

Lh1 has many, less damaging shots
You need to stay on target more but its less risky to miss
Also better in close range

Sniper has more risk but also more reward
Its worse for close range self defence
In return you get to destroy stuff

And imo
A boring reskin is better than something different that ruins the fun

[burnt canyon]

That's a tough one considering the amount of no scopes I see into melees these days lol

[dreamy sage]

I mean it counters more than just shield, it's pretty valuable.

But looking at their changes, i get the feeling they are trying to move the game away from turtling and more into a dynamic flow.

[burnt canyon]

Would have to play test sniper reworks cuz on paper feels alot diff than in a match where nobody touches lh1 because rn it is outclassed

[burnt canyon]

The problem is it's situational, unlike things like defib or jump/zip where you always get value from those

[dreamy sage]

I can't do the LH1 and im beyong fustrated, can't hit the broadside of a fkin FARM with the damn thing :LUL:

[burnt canyon]

Im kinda surprised sniper even has a good hipfire crosshair

[shell sonnet]

Try to slow down
As silly as that sounds

Not sure if semi auto weapons also share the recoil with stuff like akm
If it does, just shoot a wall and learn the recoil

[dreamy sage]

Trust i've tried, but theres been so many times i've been right on target but nothing.
You got any idea what the optimal range for it is? :hmm:

[burnt canyon]

Try recoil smoothing and playing in mind the recoil jumps to the north east and north west pattern

[shell sonnet]

Not really

I do know there is some crosshair jank where shots dont go where they should

[dreamy sage]

notes down Appriciate it!

[dreamy sage]

Theres a crossair bug/jank? O.o

[junior ledge]

mesh shield needed a cooldown. so silly u could just spam it on and off but meanwhile invis is 33% activation cost

[burnt canyon]

Also the farther away your opponent obv take less shots

[shell sonnet]

Im not the best guy to explain it
I personally dont notice it too much
But its a pretty big deal for some people

[dreamy sage]

Sweet! something to blame my shit skills on! KEKW

[burnt canyon]

Players had said it's visual recoil, because apparently the bullets shot from the center of the screen, not from your actual guns sight but idk if that's changed

[shell sonnet]

Just blame latency/servers

I get shot around corners constantly

[burnt canyon]

100% same, dead around corners and walls constantly

[shell sonnet]

Especially if its winch

Hate that thing

[dreamy sage]

I've actually noticed that lately! I thought i was imagining it

[shell sonnet]

Imo it turned the skillful movement/ambush playstyle of heavies into just bum rushing

Really sad

[burnt canyon]

Winch has 2 hitboxes so they can grab you even if it misses

[dreamy sage]

Winch was busted but i do miss the 17m for the cashbox yoink XD

[burnt canyon]

Latency also messes with winch too, because sometimes you can grab someone and they can pump you before they even get to your face

[shell sonnet]

Imo it still is

Less range just limited its utility

The annoying stuff still happens, just slightly less

It shouldve been a gadget that cant pull players

[burnt canyon]

If winch could have punched holes through walls and floors on the way out and pulled debris on the way back woulda been crazy

[shell sonnet]

That instead of pulling players would have been 1000% healthier

[burnt canyon]

Considering you can pull debris rn, but you can't use it as a shield

[dreamy sage]

Defo needs hitbox rework. Wish it could yoink friendlies too, getting them into saftey but that would just lead to trolling sadly :/

[shell sonnet]

Feels like anything but a single piece of wall cant be pulled further than 1 meter

[burnt canyon]

Playing ow2, pulling teammates was so damn annoying

Afaik you can't really winch the wrecking ball very far either

[shell sonnet]

Someone said explosive mines only have 1 charge now?
Is that true?

Anyone seen anything?

[burnt canyon]

Will tell u if I see it

[shell sonnet]

Someone used it in the first match i think
Didnt notice the number though

[junior ledge]

any tazer changes?

[shell sonnet]

Did seem like mines now 1-shot walls

I know mine stacking is annoying, but i do worry for its viability

[shell sonnet]

Seemed like someone wqs able to close a door during a stun
May be wrong though

[burnt canyon]

Next thing you know frags will go to 1

[junior ledge]

u cant throw stuff thru gateways anymore wtf

[shell sonnet]

They could either change defensive utility or killing utility

I really hope they nerf the annoying one and keep one of the few things that helps light defend cashouts

[shell sonnet]

what?

[burnt canyon]

Wasn't fcar at 20 mag?

[shell sonnet]

They seem to nerf everything that rarely gets complaints
But dont want to nerf the must use meta items

[junior ledge]

at least with vanish bombs but this streamer wasnt using nades

[shell sonnet]

When is the last time you saw someone complain about akm?

Meanwhile rpg+defib

[junior ledge]

did they nerf defib

[dreamy sage]

I think all mines got reduced

[burnt canyon]

Would make ta less cancer

Can't even use data reshaper in ta on anything but turrets cuz mines are everywhere

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough

I prefer a bunch of underpowered items to op ones

Too bad they arent doing anything about the op ones

Riddle me that one

[burnt canyon]

Tbf things should be getting buffed not nerfed, cuz when everything is good nothing is bad, but when everything is bad nothing feels good

[hardy dust]

Both is good

[shell sonnet]

Nerfed mines by 50%
(which effectively reduces its effectiveness by way more since a dingle mine cabt kill)

Rpg which is used and complained about by everyone, ndrfed by 10%

[burnt canyon]

Not when everything is slowly trickling down or up so everything feels janky and not in harmony

[junior ledge]

nerfed mine damage by 50%?

[shell sonnet]

No, amount

[dreamy sage]

Heavy getting shafted in all the wrong ways XD;

[junior ledge]

yea thats somewhat nice lol. not gonna run around random corners and insta die anymore

[burnt canyon]

If everything was as good as lh1 on s3 release, the game would be crazy, but because lh1 was too good alone, it felt awkward

[shell sonnet]

Which is a fair reason

But that they nerf them by magnitudes more than the items used by 100% of heavies is beyond me

[burnt canyon]

Pple complain ab model, but that's cuz everything is crap rn, model hasn't been changed while the world around it is

[junior ledge]

i thought rpg only does 100 dmg max now

[shell sonnet]

Someone else said 120

I guess its a bit early to make a clear cut opinion if were not sure yet

[burnt canyon]

We need a damage recap screenshot or someone at twitchcon to mention it

[shell sonnet]

But just any amount of combat viability for rpg (beyond being a finisher) is too strong imo

[junior ledge]

120 is still kinda meh. at least u cant jumppad insta kill a medium with two heavies anymore. should have just made its dmg like 80 with two charges more destructive power

[burnt canyon]

Bigger AOE, less damage

[junior ledge]

still gonna be a copium gadget heavies will run into every fight with instead of their primary

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[burnt canyon]

Nothing stops me from throwing c4 and rpging it before it hits the floor for an easy AOE wipe

[shell sonnet]

Though, even 80 may be a bit much

Id be fine with it

But ideal would be (imo)
Faster recharge
2 charges
Ads being perfectly accurate

Only 50 damage

[burnt canyon]

50 would def gut its viability

[shell sonnet]

Combat viability*

[burnt canyon]

For one charge I wouldn't use it

[shell sonnet]

Combat is the only annoying part

It should be destruction

[dreamy sage]

But then why should Lights be allowed to close to insta delete with the double barrel?

[shell sonnet]

Thats why id like to see 2 charges with it

[burnt canyon]

How long is the cd

[shell sonnet]

Thats the thing, they shouldnt

Rpg is op, so they made sh1900 too strong

Now both are annoying and everyone suffers

Nerf both

[finite cradle]

Oscar said the the stun gun now only effects your walk speed

[shell sonnet]

THANK GOD

[burnt canyon]

This change would go hard if rpg started at 50 with 2 charges

[dreamy sage]

Then the question becomes. How to nerf the double without it going back to uselessness :/ Especially now with the new shotgun too

[shell sonnet]

I CAN FINALLY PLAY MELEE

[junior ledge]

what does that mean exactly lmao. u can walk now if ur stunned?

[dreamy sage]

Ye i like stuff that rewards skill. So of you manage to land a hit at max range you deserve it.

[shell sonnet]

Too bad it cant be used to defend cashouts anymore

But its kinda also ok because a light cant just run up to a 3 stack of dome and mesh and stop it anyways

[burnt canyon]

It is still a 3rd party jump pad annoyance tho

[junior ledge]

tazer doesnt stop steals anymore?

[burnt canyon]

Idk as someone who stopped using stun end of s1, I thought the gadget was fine

[shell sonnet]

Lower damage
Faster rate of fire
Faster reload

Run in, hit twice, try to dodge during the very fast reload, and shoot again

[burnt canyon]

The visual clutter was damned annoying

[shell sonnet]

Kinda like soda popper in tf2

[shell sonnet]

Thats what @finite cradle said

[rich ether]

Emabark should look to Bioshock Plasmids for specialization ideas https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/BioShock_Plasmids#Removed_Plasmids. Light having the ability to tag an enemy player with a security bullseye making all friendly turrets and shock mines target them would be interesting, Heavy having a Cyclone trap, and medium having a decoy

[dreamy sage]

THe mesh shield nerf still bugs me, a better solution to the double stack wouldve been when overloading the shield with damage would produce a small glitch sploshion fucking up any double mesh stack.

[burnt canyon]

Stun stopping gadgets and specs was the best part of it, cashout steal stops was the icing

[shell sonnet]

While i LOVE that it doesnt stop specials anymore, it shouldve stopped gadgets instead, to help against defib and rpg

[shell sonnet]

But it was the more annyoing part imo

It shouldve focussed on defending/cashbox joinking

[copper sinew]

Anyone care to summarize the balance changes announced on the stream?

I went straight to gaming right after they dropped that trailer, coz I got excited, so I didn't see them.

[dreamy sage]

As much as i HATE the squirmy bastards, decoy makes more sense on lights tbh >.>; But personally i wish Light would get more team oriented stuff.

[burnt canyon]

Im just saying, if you make stun stop your kit, but you retain your movement speed and gun accuracy it would be meta and fine

[shell sonnet]

How did they get nerfed?

[finite cradle]

During the first match played on the stream thixxy was stunned and closed a door to block bullets. Rob was commentating and mentioned that the Stun gun now only slows your walk speed

[finite cradle]

Duration down for 12s to 5.5s

[dreamy sage]

down to 500 health and cooldown with dropping it.

[shell sonnet]

I wasnt paying enough attention
But i sure am glad

[shell sonnet]

Thats dome
They said mesh

[dreamy sage]

I'm ok with the cooldown but the health could have remained

[finite cradle]

Oooh shit. Yeah idk then

[shell sonnet]

WHAT

[burnt canyon]

If mesh gets health nerf then dome needs to have longer time active

[copper sinew]

Damn that's a big hit

[shell sonnet]

Thats huge
Too much

Winch is too busted anyways, why nerf something underused

[burnt canyon]

It does stop flamethrower cancer spam tho

[finite cradle]

That makes my heart happy. I never use mesh shield but the D2 player in me makes me melt down titan barricades and mesh shields

[shell sonnet]

I think mesh shield should have deployed at low hp and then generate to a higher hp

It stops the 1v1 cheese
Makes using it a commitment
But if you take a second and wait, you can generate a ton of hp and help during a team fight

Less frustrating, still useful

[copper sinew]

One or the other would have probably been sufficient, imo. If they turn out too weak I am sure we will see some buffs

[burnt canyon]

Mesh is def meant to be reactive and proactive like reins gimmick

[shell sonnet]

Cooldown on use would have been fine too

[burnt canyon]

Ramping health takes away the surprise of jumping into a fight

[shell sonnet]

I really hope there are some hidden changes they just havent added to the twitch con build

No way they change so much, nerf decent but not too strong gadgets, but then keep defib and rpg the same

[junior ledge]

they nerfed heal beam?

[shell sonnet]

Not that i know of

I wouldve loved for it to be chare based
Use one charge, heal for x seconds, recharge

[burnt canyon]

Im of the opinion that heal beam should stop healing when you take damage for like 1.5 seconds

[copper sinew]

They could have also split the hp into like 4 equal chunks that only regen after longer time.

So like if you drop to 60% you will go back to 75% after the normal time, but you will only be able to regen to 100% after like triple the time without taking damage on the shield.

[junior ledge]

i rlly wanted it so u cud shoot defib tropheys to cancel them to punish bad positioning plays

[shell sonnet]

Helps in fights
But it would still be a big issue if they get any amount of breathing room

[burnt canyon]

So just like rn

[shrewd pecan]

what could have added without to much balancing in s4 is a gadget where you can place small metallic frames that are more resistant than other surfaces

[shell sonnet]

Yes please

[burnt canyon]

This also would bring gas defence back into relevancy and force pyro slots

[shell sonnet]

Kinda

But neither would be fine imo

[copper sinew]

decreasing the healing to 50% of the output or something like that would have been better, I think. If you can't heal mid fight I would see it as worst specialization

[dreamy sage]

I'm so confused why people hating on the healbeam.
I dont remember people hating this hard on medics heal in TF2 for example, and his never overheats.

[burnt canyon]

No healing mid fight and brute forcing 1on1s is bad

Especially when it's healing midnight and defibs if you somehow lose

[versed siren]

because medium actually has a weapon that isnt the critsaw

[junior ledge]

prob cuz it stacks too good with defib

[versed siren]

plus unlike in tf2 you can keep a team alive much easier with revives and defib

[shell sonnet]

Because its 12v12 and each healer overall contributes less % wise to the team

While there are classes designed to hard counter them

While they also have incredibly low killing power, making them a free kill if caught at all

[burnt canyon]

It's because triple heal beam meta and the dog walker hhm team that's enabled by just healing through everything

[dreamy sage]

hmmm, well how about interupting the heal if you land hits on the actual healer?

[burnt canyon]

Early meta nobody knew what they were doing so heal beam wasn't as pivotal as it is now

[copper sinew]

yeah, also damage come out much slower in this game compared to tf2, since most of damage there is burst damage.

[dreamy sage]

And again, glitch nade, y no glitch nade? D:

[versed siren]

maybe if glitch nades were on impact

[burnt canyon]

Glitch nades don't blow up on contact with medium players

[shell sonnet]

Only helps in combat
There is still 0 commitment/0 ways to make mistakes with it

[dreamy sage]

Wait it's NOT on impact??

[copper sinew]

they are on the shield so they probably will not reach the medium behind them

[burnt canyon]

Nobody complains ab frags because they aren't instant gratification, glitch nades are the same way

[shell sonnet]

Please no

[versed siren]

sadly

[burnt canyon]

Glitches are only on impact to shields and equipment

[dreamy sage]

Ooooh right but they DO explode on contact with shield right?

[versed siren]

how did they not add the healing bomb

[shell sonnet]

Equipment?
Like turrets and barricades?
Since when?

[burnt canyon]

Yeah if you hit a turret it pops

[dreamy sage]

WELL there you go then, if you land a hit on a med with heal in progress. glitch on impact?

[burnt canyon]

At least last time I tried, could been a bug idk

[versed siren]

how about if you hit the medigun

[copper sinew]

no I think it is only placed stuff not players with gadgets in hands

[burnt canyon]

Have you tried hitting a medium with a grenade impact while they are serpenteeing lol

[dreamy sage]

No io mean, that change would make it more viable?

[burnt canyon]

People also forget the fact that you use one glitch nades and hit 1 player who's healing, now you have to spend time hitting the heavies with a second mid fight?

By the time you hit the team the first guy is already able to use his shit again

[copper sinew]

Glitches are ok, but they are not enough if ou have to target shields and med guns. Maybe if every class had acces to the nades and make them trigger on impact.

Med guns should get some sort of a hit, something like deploy and holster speed nerf, no stacking effects and possibly slower healing on targets that took damage in the last second or 2

[burnt canyon]

I just remembered, if stun no longer stops cashout steals, goo nades are just the replacement

[dreamy sage]

How about glitched med has their medgun overheated with longer overheat?

[burnt canyon]

Too specific

[junior ledge]

if u get hit by a glitch ur pc/console shud switch off tbh

[burnt canyon]

Fr ^

If glitches inverted your game controls

[dreamy sage]

I dunno, rather than throwing a bunch of shiny new stuff. I wish they could increase the stuff we already have to be more viable. So much stuff is gathering dust as is. :/

[copper sinew]

hears glitch sound
UE crash

[burnt canyon]

Imagine if stun made your movement invert

[shell sonnet]

Ok so

1. Stun gun used to deny everything, slow you down and force hipfire

That was complained about

2. So they let you ads and use your items
   Only stopping interactions and walking

3. People complained that was too weak, so they made it stop specials, which made melee a free kill

4. People compain again
   So now they just make it even worse than 2?
   Just slowing you down?

[burnt canyon]

Yeah cuz people suck and cry at everything minute

[shell sonnet]

Tbf, complaining is very easy

[burnt canyon]

Stun is literally a stun effect but can't have that

[shell sonnet]

Stuns arent healthy for fps though
(Imo)

[copper sinew]

I generally expect that to be the case with the coming of the new seasons.

Season 3 was kind of a bad spot to test and implement any balance changes since they where tinkering with cashout problems.

[burnt canyon]

I don't see nobody complaining ab flashbangs

[dreamy sage]

Well tbf stun was very casual oppressive, and as much as the gigachads here hate to admidt it. We need both casuals and sweats if this game is to thrive.

[burnt canyon]

Could be the 9bang from cod

[shell sonnet]

Its easy to complain about problems

Flashbang just doesnt have any problems (except being bad)

But people just ignore fladhbangd because its bad, so rarely anyone complains

[junior ledge]

imagine if flashbangs were meta 🤮

[civic forum]

It useless

Never been useful

[junior ledge]

good fk them lol

nobodys likes flashbangs in fps games

[shell sonnet]

Something i like to say

You can always stop using something weak

But you cant stop an enemy from abusing something strong

Stun gun makes melee users a free kill, so melee users complain

Flash is bad, so nobody uses it, forgets they exist and thus dont complain

[copper sinew]

it is not useless it gives you a marker when you hit someone, so you can scout if someone is in the room.

[burnt canyon]

Thats the issue, we have a lot of different utility options in the game but when something is good it gets nerfed into the ground

[civic forum]

It flash teammate and show like it hit enemy, lol

[junior ledge]

yes yes flashbangs dont exist in the finals good good

[burnt canyon]

Casuals do exist but they shouldn't be the end all of the opinion, what does someone who spends maybe an hour a day playing the game know about the balance of stun in high ELO

[dreamy sage]

Yea it does seem the devs are a bit to scared to stand their ground sometimes and cave to peer pressure

[burnt canyon]

Ranked ta I rest my case

[thin scroll]

Pike-556 is overpowered

[shell sonnet]

Some good players say defib is counterable

Just because 1 guy doesnt have issues doesnt mean we should ignore the 40 others that hate it

[dreamy sage]

oh absolutely, which is why i said we need BOTH not just to cater to one.

[copper sinew]

I wish they buffed the gadgets even more so than the weapons tbf.

They allow for so much more interesting flexibility than just deciding how to fire your bullets, but people will just gravitate towards the most powerful options anyway

[shell sonnet]

Maybe there is a middle ground to be met on

But just high elo aint it

[burnt canyon]

Defib is not really counterable, but it can be outplayed if the situation is right

[civic forum]

Do they shadow nerf/adjust the dispersion of Gun and throwing knives midair? I try slide jump and shoot and it disperses more than ss2…

[burnt canyon]

That's not really a counter it's a check

[dreamy sage]

Bottomline, no gun, spec or gadget should give you a free kill just by using it imo

[copper sinew]

looks at RPG

[shell sonnet]

Which is exactly it

High elo players come up with a 10 page analysis on how to avoid a defib with a 7 step manuel on how to not insta die in the 2v1, thinking causuals have any chance of pulling that off

(And then ignore all negative feedback)

[civic forum]

Ahhh do they nerf it?

[copper sinew]

I don't know haven't seen the stream

[burnt canyon]

I've had players charge and slam me for an instant spawn kill after being defibbed, but if my team stunned or did anything to prevent that instead of dying it wouldn't have happened, not a counter

[dreamy sage]

Henche my suggestion earlier about low intial damage but ramping up the longer it travels.

[dreamy sage]

small nerf from what ive heard. 120-130dmg

[shell sonnet]

That sounds actually somewhat decent

Im worried about mid range though

Where it still gets fairly quicky but still deals big damage

[burnt canyon]

And that's why things like ranked TA exist (I do like ta so I'm not biased) but you can't bow down to every casual because their outcry is the loudest

[copper sinew]

I liked the idea someone posted to make it have bigger splash but smaller damage and no falloff

[heavy tundra]

Very true

I agree

Uhh yeah

[civic forum]

I have to wait for the moment I touch the ground to shoot, and it’s not fun…

[burnt canyon]

I've managed to accidentally fire a rocket into a jump pad and it slowed the rocket down enough that if you could do sum like that, could the slower rocket ramp more dmg over time?

[shell sonnet]

Neither is correct

Not a single cryer
Not a single high elo

A mix of everyone is needed

Maximise fun as high as possible for the greatest amount of people

[dreamy sage]

No i was thinking pure distance traveled so no fucky business could be done

[heavy tundra]

But what if god said

And I was like

[burnt canyon]

Also how is it if the casuals complain ab lights in low ELO casual, and high ELO players say light is bad, how did throwing knives get buffed to op levels for so long

[copper sinew]

The bottom line is that things that are annoying or busted in one, they should be changed even if they are fine in the other

[shell sonnet]

I really hope we arent locked into 1 single sponsor and the others are just gone

Maybe make them available season after season

I hate fomo
I love drg

[shell sonnet]

✅

[copper sinew]

I would expect they are either choose one for the season with different sponsors each season or they are like reward tracks that you pick and gotta finish before starting the other

[burnt canyon]

Seems to be 1 and done

The sponsors replace the circuits with their own challenge to earn the cosmetics

[finite cradle]

You select your sponsor for the season and can’t swap until the season after

[shell sonnet]

They tried to outcompete rpg and defib with it

Both hard counter lights whole game plan

So what do we do?
Nerf the gadgets that make 1 class unuseable in high elo, that every casual also complaints about

Or

Make the class overused in casual even stronger, hoping its enough to offset being 1-shot

[copper sinew]

so you gotta choose between the sponsors and the circut or do they just slot into there instead of what we have now?

[burnt canyon]

You are also earning fame for the sponsor for a leaderboard so changing midway through season is scuffed

[shell sonnet]

I hope its like this:
Each season

Season 4 a sponsor
Choose a new one for 5
Take the last for 6

Then again for 7, 8 and 9

[finite cradle]

Yeah they’ve mentioned there being community contest between the sponsors/teams

[heavy tundra]

Someone tell me to shut up about them not having new gadget/specialization this season, that fucks with me a little

[burnt canyon]

I mean that's a given

[shell sonnet]

Not really

[burnt canyon]

No way we only get 3 sponsor options for our entire account when there's what like 12?

[shell sonnet]

They did write it in in whatever this is called

[burnt canyon]

Did engimo exist prior to s3?

[finite cradle]

Seasons will more than likely have different sponsors and different reward trees. The cosmetics probably won’t return in the following season. That just screws over the people who would pick the same sponsor twice

[shell sonnet]

You can only choose 1

I really hope they mean each season or something

[burnt canyon]

It's per season for sure

[finite cradle]

Yes, pretty sure it’s been around since s1

[shell sonnet]

Just dont let them pick a sponsor twice?
Seems trivial

[copper sinew]

I am all for picking one and not getting to do the others ever, but I would prefer if they had like 2-4 cosmetics not 12 each

[junior ledge]

so what did they change about cashout

[burnt canyon]

I didn't see any vaiiya prior to s2 either

[eager wasp]

W Vaiiya

[burnt canyon]

W vaiiya

[shell sonnet]

They already have like 15 or so logos/names

They just havent been in game yet

[copper sinew]

Vaiiya was specifically hired in season two to deal with CNS I think

[burnt canyon]

Still waiting for the white cargo pants we saw in the ta teaser to make the fit perfect

[finite cradle]

Taking away player choice is a terrible idea. If someone wants to be loyal to holtow then let them and reward them with a new set of cosmetics

[dreamy sage]

I personally like the idea of lockin into one path as long as the rewards are similar and worth it. Screw FOMO, it aint the boss of me

[shell sonnet]

No no, i mean like no new cosmetics

If i pick holtow for season 4

Then i will only have engimo and isult next season

No new holtow stuff i could miss out on

[burnt canyon]

I mean what are the chances we may end up getting a CNS alignment now that sponsors exist down the road

[copper sinew]

doubt they are gonna go that way tbh.

[finite cradle]

Yeah that’s stupid and takes away player choice.

[shell sonnet]

How?

You get to choose what you will get first

It prevents fomo

[copper sinew]

slim, until we get any more indication that they are hacking in again, I suppose

[burnt canyon]

Battle pass fomo still exists, this is just another form of it

[burnt canyon]

I don't feel like the lore hints to CNS just being eradicated entirely

[shell sonnet]

I mean i guess it takes away player choice, because you can get everything sooner or later

If you dont view fomo as a bad thing

[dreamy sage]

But BP stuff will just rotate into the store and giveaways anyway

[burnt canyon]

And TAs whoel concept was fighting with or against CNS anyway

[shell sonnet]

I hope so

[burnt canyon]

Has it yet?

[dreamy sage]

If you look at early seaon 1 beta BP stuff A lot has already come back into the store.

[burnt canyon]

Only thing I can think of is s1s wings being turned white and pink for the shop but that's not the same

[shell sonnet]

Only reskins iirc

[finite cradle]

I wouldn’t say being indecisive is the same as fomo.

You choose want you want and miss out on the others. Just because you’re not being given every single item doesn’t make it fomo

[copper sinew]

They hacked in, actually didn't get stopped so they reset the system into season 3 and now they seems to be proceeding into season 4 as if there are no problems.

I don't expect them to just throw away the entire concept, but they seem to be under control for now

[burnt canyon]

Reskins are not the same, Fortnite has shown this

[heavy tusk]

Multiple rounds in a season going 1-2 weeks, you can pick which sponsor to rep in between rounds. That was you can get all the cosmetics and it rewards players who check in regularly, which most are going to do for i'd say at least half the season

[burnt canyon]

Yeah I think we will hear ab CNS again maybe within 3 more seasons and maybe if they do come back we'll have some sort of arkraider crossover or sum that we can align with

[bitter surge]

Decrease the cooldown of the RPG please ?

[shell sonnet]

Missing out on anything causes fomo

What if i pick holtow but a season down the line a cool skin combo is discovered with isult stuff

I would never be able to get this combo

Thats fomo

[burnt canyon]

Sadly you can wait towards s5 without picking a sponsor and do the challenges then lol

[copper sinew]

Oh boy I would love some crossovers, even with different games.

As much as I stopped playing Leauge I would still love some LoL themed map with the sponsor being Riot Games

[shell sonnet]

Exactly

[shell sonnet]

Its barely getting a nerf of like 10 damage and you want it buffed already?

[burnt canyon]

Some men just want to watch the world burn

[bitter surge]

You don’t know? It now deals only 100 😂

[shell sonnet]

Still pretty high

Id rather have it deal like 60 but get 2 charges + faster recharge

[finite cradle]

Nobody would have that combo because everyone is only picking 1 sponsor.

Again, being indecisive or changing your mind later on isn’t fomo.

Your problem with committing to a decision doesn’t make it fomo

[shell sonnet]

Destruction tool

[bitter surge]

It has a 45 seconds cooldown

[dreamy sage]

Oh damn, is it even lower than I saw then XD

[burnt canyon]

Imagine if the sponsors you don't pick get their cosmetics added to the shop later on

[remote swan]

the people with iseult would have it in that situation

[finite cradle]

No because they wouldn’t be getting the holtow gear to go with it. The people that pick engimo would have neither

[burnt canyon]

Then there's me waiting for volpe/vaiiya sponsorships

[remote swan]

they weren’t saying two of the sponsors, they were saying iseult with regular store items

[last stirrup]

Maybe next season? I'd like to get sponsored by Volpe as well.

[dreamy sage]

People commiting to just one thing these days is rare. They want all the options laid out bare and available. Which is to be expected since games on a general scale have weaponized fomo even tho we experience ''fomo'' every day in daily life.

[copper sinew]

Actually I could see them giving 3 options now, you can pick one, till the end of the season and adding 3 new options next season so you can pick out of 5 and so on until we get all the sponsors in the game

[burnt canyon]

However long it takes

[shell sonnet]

I think youre misunderstanding my first part
Id like to explain it differently

As exanple
I pick holtow, you pick engimo

Next season a skin set is released that looks awesome with your isult stuff
But clashes heavily with holtow

If i had know it wouldnt git, i likely would have picked differently

On your second point
I think youre right, maybe fomo is the wrong word

But just being locked out of cosmetics still sucks a lot

[copper sinew]

After that I would expect expanding rewards tracks or something of the sort, so you always theoretically have the option to unlock everything but never will be fast enough to actually do that

[shell sonnet]

Different name, still an issur

[burnt canyon]

Best way to look at it, is that it's still new and rn it mimicks real life sponsorships so for now you just have to pick what you feel is what you align with and hope it pans out

Life has an absurd amount of fomo if you shower thought it

[shell sonnet]

That would be acceptable

You wont get everything

But you do never miss out on anything since its still obtainable

[dreamy sage]

Actually...what if the locked in sponsor stuff pertains to your different contestants rather than your user?

[copper sinew]

Uh, that would actually be cool

[burnt canyon]

It's a career circuit replacement, unfortunately that wouldn't seem right rn

[shell sonnet]

I already worry enough about it irl
I dont keed that for a silly little videogame where i should be able to turn my mind off and have fun

[burnt canyon]

Completely fair, but we don't write the rules yk

Just gotta put out those thoughts and hope the devs hear

[shell sonnet]

We dont
But the devs are also just human

If we speak about it, they could change their mind

And we would all end up happier

[burnt canyon]

While we are at it, bring back tripwires and turrets on las vegas casual

[finite cradle]

That’s just regret for past decisions.

Nobody knows what the future season cosmetics will look like.

That’s like me saying I wouldn’t have bought the fox outfit in season 1 if I knew season 4 was gonna have the tanuki pack. This also goes for the people who bought the ninja outfit for the throwing stars skin just for throwing stars to be a battle pass item in season 4

Nobody knows what the future may hold, so pick whatever you enjoy the most right now and just hope that future cosmetics will match with those items.

[copper sinew]

Actually some kinda tripwire traps could be a cool gadget idea

[remote swan]

at least that doesn’t lock us out of getting stuff in the future

[burnt canyon]

Honestly they could bring recon senses back and make it just scan for deployed equipment and not players too

[wise spoke]

Recon senses is op

[shell sonnet]

But in those cases youre missing nothing

Meanwhile with the sponsors, you will miss 2/3rds of items

Its not just a future problem

[remote swan]

that’s what i’ve been saying for a while
have it show gadgets like mines and turrets, along with canisters

[burnt canyon]

Be a hell of a lot more strategic if I saw barricades and turrets placed next to the cashout

[shell sonnet]

Too situational

[burnt canyon]

Idk man ta and cashout could very much appreciate the Intel from 1 player

[bitter surge]

Yeah yeah, basically it’s a dead gadget now

[wise spoke]

I mean its a good idea but not for a speciality maybe they can bring it like the thermal vision for the light

[copper sinew]

that actually sounds good, but is it enough to be a specialization?

I always thought they would either change it into what Pulse from R6 has, the gadget needs to be held out to use it, so no shooting with it deployed or turn it into a single pulse with some charges

[shell sonnet]

I mean

A shit item is better than no item

As gadget, sure, go ahead

At least i get my recon level items 🥲

[burnt canyon]

Would need to be a spec, that way you can pair it with Demat teammate or breaches etc

[remote swan]

i’d personally run it over most specializations for medium

[burnt canyon]

Heal beam or Demat w gadget recon would be too much in 1 kit for 1 player

[wise spoke]

Do you guys know if they bought new specialists

[finite cradle]

And that’s perfectly ok. Hundreds of other games require players to make a choice when claiming rewards.

Your personal inability to deal with that is not an issue for Embark. Expecting a game studio to cater to your specific needs is nothing more than pure entitlement.

At the end of the day it’s free cosmetics in a free game.

[wise spoke]

You know what i want

Facial hair

[burnt canyon]

Give heavy the rpd explosive rounds that destroy walls

[remote swan]

and that’s part of the reason i avoid those games

[copper sinew]

I think Oscar teased facial hair somewhere so they might be possibly working on it

[finite cradle]

It’s being added in s4

[slow crane]

new trailer dropped earlier today what were the new weapons/gadgets people found in the trailer? Just heavy pistols?

[burnt canyon]

Dual deagles, a shotgun for light and a marksman rifle for medium

[finite cradle]

Pump shotgun for light, dmr for medium, deagles for heavy

[slow crane]

teaser trailer had a contestant with facial hair in it

[wise spoke]

Hell yeah

[dreamy sage]

Can confirm just looked it up. The blue jacket from the current circuit was in the closed beta battle pass 😄

[slow crane]

thank you

[burnt canyon]

Supposedly there's a ozpuse skin from beta coming aswell

[copper sinew]

Hell yeah give me more Ospuze stuff

[dreamy sage]

Considering how much work they put into their skins it would be redicilous to hide it behind a onetime BP

[slow crane]

so is the assumption you’ll be locked out of certain cosmetics based on the sponsor you choose? So if I choose engimo I could possibly never unlock the holtow cosmetics from this season

[shell sonnet]

For you it is

Things like this are generally looked down upon, yet common practise

Its getting to the point where games that just dont do this get praise for being neutral instead of anti-consumer

Just because other companies do this, doesnt mean embark needs to be just as bad

What are you even on about?
A game can only exist because of its players
Without players the game is dead
If they want to have the game to live, they need to work with the players

[copper sinew]

I mean all Battle Passes are one time so far

[burnt canyon]

Rn that's the deal

[slow crane]

I will say I wanted dissun to be a sponsor so bad, some of the dissun stuff looks so good

[slow crane]

hmmm I might have to think hard about who I choose then

[shell sonnet]

But you could get them all

These cosmetics are 66% unavailable

[burnt canyon]

Considering the background for the title menu is holtow/izuel-t/engimo yeah at least this season is gonna focus only on these 3

[shell sonnet]

You can try all you want, you will never get them all

No matter how muvh you want to support them

[slow crane]

battle pass is the highest value purchase in the game it’s gets a lot of cosmetics for relatively cheap

[burnt canyon]

Im more concerned ab what will become of ruby and emerald cosmetics

[dreamy sage]

No just confirmed that stuff from the closed beta BP is making a return. 😄 IE the blue jacket in the cricuit reward, (isult?) was in the closed beta BP.

[burnt canyon]

And who's the new weapons featured worthy of grinding

[dreamy sage]

what do you mean?

[finite cradle]

That’s the thing tho. Embark already treats this community infinitely better than most other studios treat there communities.

Think of any other fps game and compare them to embark and the finals

Cod is $60 and all of the cosmetics are $20
Apex legends and valorant are free but the skins are outrageously expensive

There’s dozens more I could name but I would be here all day

[shell sonnet]

@junior ledge
What do you mean exactly?

Like 2 vaults in quick cash?

[burnt canyon]

Ruby was top 500 ranked ta, which no longer exists, and ranked cashout is replacing it, does this mean ta rewards are going to cashout and world tour retains emerald?

[copper sinew]

most likely

[burnt canyon]

Then what weapons are getting a skin, since so far all the emerald skins have been released diamond so far as reskins

[junior ledge]

huh

[shell sonnet]

They are all worse than embark
That doesnt mean embark should get a free pass on something like this

[shell sonnet]

What you said in feedback

[junior ledge]

oh. yea there r two vaults and two cashouts in normie quick cash now. dumb change. three teams

[burnt canyon]

Focused on less third parties

[shell sonnet]

Oh yeah, saw you edited just bow
My bad

[shell sonnet]

Shouldve tried 5v5 instead

[wise spoke]

Whats the best weapon for medium iyo

[burnt canyon]

Model

[shell sonnet]

First to 30k wins

[junior ledge]

wud have been down to try that over wuts coming

[finite cradle]

Free pass for what? Giving us free cosmetics?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of people don’t see this as a bad thing and see it as a creative way to implement factions/sponsors/teams into the game? There’s only a handful of players actually upset about this.

For the third time. Your indecisiveness is not anyone’s issue except for your own.

You’re the only person here complaining about it

[dreamy sage]

Someone leaked the new BP in redit. Ozpuze stuff looks sick!

[shell sonnet]

Free pass for doing anti consumer pratises

Have you made a poll or something
How many people have you see for and against it?

[burnt canyon]

Yeah facial hair is cool and all, but can I put a handlebar mustouche and caterpillar eyebrows on my model 1887?

[finite cradle]

I spend a decent amount of time on this server and on the subreddit. I’ve only seen <10 comments or post complaining about it

How is it anti consumer? Because you need to make a decision on what (free) rewards track you want to go down?

Idk what else to tell you. If you don’t like it then don’t play the game and try to boycott embark so it gets changed. If you’re not willing to do that then stop complaining.

[burnt canyon]

It's not really anti consumer however the best thing to do is to bring it up on one of those ask devs questionares

[crystal garnet]

Anyone know if the CL40 got buffed?

[burnt canyon]

Apparently not to where people are talking ab it

[shell sonnet]

Because you need to make a decision on what youre fine to miss out on

When you shouldnt need to miss out on anything

I can still like embark and the finals while still disliking other stuff they do
It doesnt dictate how i have to treat them and the game
But that also deosnt mean i cant complain about it

[shell sonnet]

Nobody really uses cl-40 rn
So why would they test it out?

Theres a chance it got buffed
(I really hope so)

[finite cradle]

For the fourth time. Thats your own indecisiveness and entitlement. Just because YOU can’t make a decision doesn’t mean it’s anti-consumer.

[shell sonnet]

In the same way you think i dont understand your point, i think you dont understand my points

This aint going anywhere, might as well stop

[shadow onyx]

add back bucket hat hair

[crystal garnet]

Can yall stop arguing about nothing in the weapons channel thx

[finite cradle]

I understand exactly what you mean. I’m saying you’re wrong.

[shell sonnet]

Ove explained enough why i think youre wrong, youve explained enough ehy you think im wrong

We aint getting through to eachother

[thick dawn]

ABSOLUTELY NOT

Anyways

[shell sonnet]

How would you know?

For all i know if you actually knew you would agree

[shell sonnet]

Otherwise i could also say i perfectly understand what youre saying and its wrong

Doesnt work either way

[wise spoke]

Tf is that

[shell sonnet]

Best just to quit it and not get your head too heated

This aint working out for either of us

[thick dawn]

Did you guys notice in the trailer that you can use the hook to pull a cashout station as heavy? So cool

[shell sonnet]

Its already like that

[burnt canyon]

You can do that rn

[thick dawn]

What! I had no idea

[shell sonnet]

Try it with gravity cube

Cashout go WEEEE

[burnt canyon]

You can pull your teammates revive totems too

[shell sonnet]

Its fun

[thick dawn]

This I knew about, but always felt cash out was structurally obstructed to move with player force

[silver ore]

Just to be clear, theirs no announcement for any new gadgets, a new special or a new halftime event atleast?

[burnt canyon]

Just weapons/attachments and map so far

[finite cradle]

Difference is I’m not claiming you don’t understand my point. I know what you’re saying, I just believe you’re wrong and that your opinions come from your own inability to make a decision and your entitled belief that you should be given access to everything in the game just because you play it.

[thick dawn]

Honestly the monster reference by holtow was kinda sus

[silver ore]

Ahhh man, deep down hearing that sucks yknow

[burnt canyon]

There's a few ways to move a cashout if ur creative but more or less yeah

[naive glacier]

What if medium had a spec that's basically old revenants ultimate? You place a 'rewind turret' which you and your teammates can interract with to become 'holograms'. Holograms only have 50/100/150hp depending on class. When you're killed in the hologram form you teleport back to the rewind turret with a fracton of your hp. The rewind turret has a certain reach and if you go outside of it you stop being a hologram. Enemies can destroy the turret and turn all the holograms back into normals.
Something good that's not heal beam

[copper sinew]

Would be actually kinda funny if they hid new gadgets until the season actually goes live

[thick dawn]

Maybe we will get a call of duty zombies themed gamplay for halloween

[burnt canyon]

Yeah killed players come back as dagger players

[silver ore]

I’m just hoping midway season 4 they slowly start to drop new gadgets and a new game mode, that would be nice

[tidal echo]

Hey guys, I just got back into the game, haven't played since launch, but it feels like my entire heavy build has been nerfed since then, is that true, or am I just tripping? I use C4, RPG, and the Dome and Mesh shields.

[thick dawn]

Oh this is good

[burnt canyon]

Head zombie has sword dash

[wise spoke]

Too complicated

[silver ore]

Dawg all of those got nuked 💀

[wise spoke]

I dont think its possible

[copper sinew]

Honestly now that I think about it, Halloween is coming but there are no spooky items in the battlepass. Kinda disappointing, guess we gotta see what we get in the store

[tidal echo]

Damn, that sucks. What's good on heavy nowadays? Do people like the new hook?

[shell sonnet]

I do think i understand your point, and thats why i disagree

And i think you disagree with my point because you dont understand it correctly

Just a back and forth

This is pointless

[wise spoke]

Mustaches scares me

[naive glacier]

what about a healing turret as an alternative to heal beam?
plain and simple
you stand close to it you get healed
the heal is overall better than form heal beam but you can't move it cause it's a turret

[finite cradle]

I learned you can move cashout stations when I was playing heavy, walked into a jump pad attached to a wall, slammed into the side of the cashout, and then watched it fall off the moving platform

[thick dawn]

We will definitely get some skins! I like that they didn't make the focus halloween and kept it game related

[heavy tusk]

C4 got reworked into the dirt (lower dmg, longer CD), RPG can no longer kill on it's own, mesh got an HP reduction and dome got active time reduced to 5 seconds. Barricades are still chunky (can still charge through them though)

[burnt canyon]

Tbf every game releases Halloween cosmetics as premium content with maybe a few earnable rewards

[silver ore]

I like to be non meta, so I play with anything, that’s why I’m kinda pissed their isent any new gadgets or special cuz I like to diversify my play style and that’s just what I was expecting for each new season yknow, weapons are cool

[wise spoke]

I think its way better than the healing beam ye thats a good idea

[burnt canyon]

Best use for glitch cans is if you throw and melee the can into the side of the cashout, it is always going to knock it over

[tidal echo]

Cool, ty.

That really sucks that my whole playstyle got nuked, but I guess it was pretty silly what you could do with it.

[copper sinew]

could have had like one page with some stuff. I guess we got a somewhat Rambo themed one so that can be the collective halloween costume of all players

[heavy tusk]

That said, RPG can still do good splash and structure damage, and dome can make for some quick cover for a revive. I personally run RPG, Mesh and a free choice of gadget (usually gas grenade or mines).

[thick dawn]

Like I mentioned before the monster comment by Haltow was suspicious to me. That could be something special

[finite cradle]

You trying to call me stupid or something? Cause that how that comes across.

That narcissistic asf. “I don’t think you understand what I’m saying because if you did then you would agree with me because I’m obviously correct”

Agree to disagree

[tidal echo]

Got it. I've been branching out a little more, the FCAR feels a lot better now, so I think I'll be a medium main. Healing Beam is still kinda silly.

[copper sinew]

Honestly no better moment to try new stuff than the start of the new season.

Everyone is gonna be trying the new weapons anyway and some bad ones might get changed so trying things that you have no experience with won't impact the game as much

[wise spoke]

I kinda want the cloaking device to get nerfed

[heavy tusk]

FCAR is better across mid to long ranges, AK is still the best all-round and FAMAS has better scaling at range while having a higher TTK up close. Heal beam can be a bit goofy, but if you see someone building for hyper aggression or suicide runs (AKA me when I run charge+sledge like the lights owe me money) it can still come in clutch

[tidal echo]

Haven't tried the FAMAS yet, maybe I'll give it a shot.

[wise spoke]

Sometimes the game gets so loud and crowded its so hard to hear or focus to find someone invisible it annoys me so much

[tidal echo]

I think that it's in a fine state, personally, now that the stun gun is nerfed since I last played. Giving up the dashes or the grapple is a big loss.

[heavy tusk]

It's not bad. Feels pretty good, but a 1v1 up close might put you at a disadvantage

[cunning kettle]

back in s1 it was even harder to see invis players

like to the point where you could use cloak mid-combat to dissapear

[wise spoke]

I started playing in the middle of s2

[cunning kettle]

right now cloak is honestly in a good enough place

[wise spoke]

I have bad eyesight thats the problem

[heavy tusk]

I still remember the horror of cloak+VP9 during OB2

[pallid stirrup]

gateway sucks, change my mindd

[finite cradle]

Me playing destiny 2 for years and being hunter main as well dealing with other hunters. It’s always been easy to find invis lights

[wise spoke]

Lol thank god i wasnt playing

[cunning kettle]

cloak + sh1900 in s1 🙏

[heavy tusk]

gas tank + C4 in season 1 my late beloved

[lone mural]

any new specializations or gadgets for season 4? Or is that unconfirmed

[cunning kettle]

breaching charge doing big damage my beloved

[heavy tusk]

I can't believe the C4 cheated on me with the lights

[finite cradle]

It doesn’t do damage anymore? I thought they balanced with c4 by allowing breaches to only do directional damage.

Like they had to be on the other side of the wall when it blows up

[cunning kettle]

it doesnt do as much damage as before

and also they made all explosives not arm when on a held canister so theres that too

[finite cradle]

Ahhh ok. I’ve rarely played light since s1 and haven’t used. Reach charges at all since s1

[heavy tusk]

it still does comparable damage to C4 while having multiple charges, 135 vs. 145 IIRC

[finite cradle]

Well that’s just dumb

[shell sonnet]

Not understanding something doesnt mean youre stupid

I dont understand how you could possible defend your standpoint either
Thats why i disagree with the way i think you mean it

Maybe you mean it differently, and then i might agree

But its would be no different the other way around

Obviously i think im correct
So do you

But what youve been writing seems to miss my points, hence i think youre misunderstanding

Thats what ive been saying for like 4 texts now
We arent going to resolve this
Lets just agree to disagree

[finite cradle]

Do yall know if c4 got a second charge for s4

[grizzled blade]

always wondered why it was just one

[finite cradle]

I’m not reading that. I don’t care and really don’t want to spend my time hearing you bitch and complain about it more than I already have

[wise spoke]

Cuz its so strong

[shell sonnet]

Because nukes

After the "only arms after the throw" was added nukes were dead

They never bothered reverting the other changes (which they should)

[heavy tusk]

snukes were too powerful i'll admit, but I feel like they could've balanced it a bit better besides killing everything to do with the tactic. Maybe have the whole assembly lose damage based on travel time to make it a payoff scaling with distance from blast radius.

[wise spoke]

I used to put one on the cash out and when someone steals i kill him with it even if he wasnt standing on the side that has the c4

[shell sonnet]

After i told you 4 times that its pointless and you still went on anyways?

Yeah, makes sense

[grizzled blade]

ah so like a mine deluxe

[wise spoke]

Yeea

[grizzled blade]

bummed that i missed out on that nuke stuff sounds fun

[heavy tusk]

Actually that's a good use for C4, albeit a bit situational. Manual mine detonation

[cunning kettle]

blowing up a whole team was indeed so fun

[wise spoke]

C4 is my favorite gadget but unfortunately its only for heavy