💣┇weapons-gadgets

[bronze spade]

taser needs a longer cool down

[kindred lily]

Stun gun sucks btw

[hardy dust]

Stun is fine as is, it's a decent pick depending on your weapon

[bronze spade]

nah, its a crutch more then a use to stop defib

[hardy dust]

It can't even stop defib anymore

[restive plover]

I cannot get over this. This guy is literally wanting to nerve everything but light class. How are you going to want to Nerf everything but not acknowledge the weapons that you were using?

[kindred lily]

yeah get facts straight bud

[mystic wyvern]

bruh 129 notifacations

[bronze spade]

it doesnt excuse the fact it need more cooldown time

[hardy dust]

Sonar, lh1 and xp should get nerfed
Tk should get reworked

[kindred lily]

bro, I have 150 health
I hope I have the fastest Ttk Gun

[hardy dust]

But not until heavy gets meaningful nerfs

[kindred lily]

L take

[bronze spade]

heavy doesnt need to be touched if anything buffs for lmgs

[hardy dust]

Buffs for lmgs only after his free win buttons get nerfed

[silk cargo]

whats wrong with xp (other than the range)

[restive plover]

L1 needs moved to Medium Class like the Sonar got moved to Light Class - fair trade. Medium needs a marksman weapon anyway. The 150 health excuse is no longer viable considering the amount of DPS you guys have, you have all the advantage and you can’t play it correctly?

[hardy dust]

Just the range, everything else is fine

[kindred lily]

range is fine

[silk cargo]

agreed (with mittens)

[hardy dust]

150 hp means light loses every gunfight

[restive plover]

Do you really miss all your shot?

[silk cargo]

lh1 belongs on light

[bronze spade]

you have to pepper the player before you can get them with a rpg

[kindred lily]

I hope the devs never listen to you

[hardy dust]

You need a single bullet to hit

[silk cargo]

rpg has a pretty long recharge time, i think its fine

[restive plover]

Rule number one don’t complain about a weapon until you acknowledge the weapon that you also are using. This is so one-sided. Buff light class, buff, light class and Nerf everything else. Nah - this is not call of duty.

[hardy dust]

The damage is too high for how easy it is to use. It has basically no counterplay either

[bronze spade]

headshot

[hardy dust]

Bodyshot works too...
You just need to deal 10 dmg

[silk cargo]

so ur saying it needs lower damage, or higher falloff, or both

[hardy dust]

Both. It should be mainly a destruction tool imo

[bronze spade]

but if the rpg hitting you then what are you doing for them to see you

[silk cargo]

yeah honestly i want it to do more arena damage

[hardy dust]

It has no reason to have an 11m diameter with 140 dmg

[silk cargo]

i thought it was 5m, 11 is crazy lol

[bronze spade]

i feel like it should be direct hit and nerf the splash

[hardy dust]

5.5 from the center, so if 2 enemies are 11m away from eachother you can hit both

[restive plover]

I genuinely thought binging in an rocker launcher would have been so fun for heavy, but after three seasons, holy crap you might as well delete the RPG delete grenades, delete the healing beam - all because everyone wants to play light class - this is not a free-for-all game mode you guys.

[silk cargo]

ahhh, i was thinking radius

i think a 6m diameter would be fine

[hardy dust]

Yeah, with slightly reduced dmg

[silk cargo]

delete APS turret

[restive plover]

how about we make a game out strictly for light class so that you guys can actually one V1 people without complaining about balance issues- download that each class and each weapon is supposed to act differently

[hardy dust]

But increased arena damage and a lower cooldown

[silk cargo]

how did this argument start btw i came late

[bronze spade]

aps is anti rocket

[hardy dust]

Idk someone was arguing over model and then people complained about light

[kindred lily]

great idea light only game would be great 😂

[silk cargo]

and?

[restive plover]

exactly-

[silk cargo]

im a light main and i hate APS

[bronze spade]

so you guys are complaing about rockets when there is tools to stop said rockets

[amber cloak]

A dmr would be a cool weapon

[kindred lily]

yeah model is op 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[silk cargo]

i never said i didn't like rocket, i think its fine

[kindred lily]

lh1

[bronze spade]

free grenade kills for me then

[restive plover]

I remember when everyone complained about light class getting one shot - 3 seasons later light class is one shorting everyone

[mystic wyvern]

aps is already nefered to the ground

[silk cargo]

not 1 shotting heavies

[restive plover]

and you won’t

[silk cargo]

only dagger can 1 shot medium iirc

[mystic wyvern]

four hits to get rid of it with any gadget

[hardy dust]

Everyone being other lights (except mediums getting backstabbed)

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-bet-michael-che-saturday-night-live-say-no-more-say-less-gif-25237117

[restive plover]

Sniper is just like the RPG in my opinion

[hardy dust]

But if you get backstabbed it's your fault

[silk cargo]

true (i drop 18-2 on dagger)

[restive plover]

If you get Winched Clawed, it’s your fault

[silk cargo]

correct

[kindred lily]

you actually don’t know what you’re talking are you trolling 😂

[mystic wyvern]

backstabbing is weird you dont even need to be on their back

[bronze spade]

says the person who thinks the model is op

[restive plover]

I am correct and you know it

[silk cargo]

just dont get winched

[mystic wyvern]

it can be their sides

[hardy dust]

Its 180° I think

[silk cargo]

correct abt what, sniper and rpg being the same thing?

[bronze spade]

personaly snipers should be taken out of the game or put on the map as a power weapon

[kindred lily]

dumb just dumb

[hardy dust]

More falloff, better accuracy up close

[mystic wyvern]

light class is not bad its the way people play

[restive plover]

Technically not, the sniper has a complete advance - it’s a hit scan weapon there’s no sway and there’s no bullet drop after 100 meters, plus most people use it like a shotgun, but yes, sniper can one shot people and so can the RPG -

[bronze spade]

take off the scope

[silk cargo]

rpg can't 1 shot

[restive plover]

not anymore, correct

[hardy dust]

Sniper doesn't have 11m diameter explosion

[silk cargo]

🗿

[restive plover]

Just clown react, right? lol it shows 🤡

[mystic wyvern]

sniper has scope rpg doesnt

[bronze spade]

dumb is letting the 1887 get you at range

[restive plover]

Holy crap - you guys are this brain dead? Everything I said, went over head?

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

[hardy dust]

I think rpg is the least skilled thing in the game by far

[silk cargo]

"feminine rage", how fitting

[mystic wyvern]

everything has a counter

[silk cargo]

i love it sm

[mystic wyvern]

idk how you guys dont see this

[hardy dust]

I can't think of anything that takes less skill

[restive plover]

the sniper has a complete advance - it’s a hit scan weapon there’s no sway and there’s no bullet drop after 100 meters, plus most people use it like a shotgun, but yes, sniper can one shot people and so can the RPG - the sniper is the only thing that doesn’t have counter, move L1 to medium and finally it will have a counter

[silk cargo]

also just use data reshaper so easy

[bronze spade]

med does need a range weapon of sort to counter range light

[hardy dust]

Some counters are very hard to pull off

[silk cargo]

just get in range and kill them

[kindred lily]

you should add me I’ll carry you baby😂

[restive plover]

M1 to medium, would be the perfect counter to light Sniper

[mystic wyvern]

rpg doesnt one shot does 140

[silk cargo]

dont say anything true it makes her madge

[restive plover]

if your peppered you guys, you guys have made it very adamant that you guys don’t want nothing to one shot you guys even though you have the lowest amount of health so let’s nerve everything to cater to your class

[mystic wyvern]

indoors

[hardy dust]

Sniper isn't even a strong weapon... idk why you're arguing about it

[restive plover]

I made a good point

[kindred lily]

😘

[silk cargo]

it is one of the most annoying guns in the game in the hands of a skilled player, but the average sniper player isn't that bad

[kindred lily]

😘

[mystic wyvern]

rpg counter is aps or cover

[silk cargo]

0.5 second peek and i take 115 damage

[silk cargo]

AOE = Cover no work

[mystic wyvern]

cant deal damage through walls

[bronze spade]

its the quickscope melee kids

[hardy dust]

Doesn't cover "counter" literally everything

[mystic wyvern]

yes

[silk cargo]

dash

[hardy dust]

Cover doesn't let you engage either

[mystic wyvern]

not sonars

[restive plover]

Damn, I’m over here talking to myself? You guys wanna argue about stupid stuff - but when someone makes a decent point, I get over looked?

[mystic wyvern]

thats what a team is for use them as an advantage

[hardy dust]

Go make a decent point first

[restive plover]

Talk about not being a team player… Light suits you guys.

[kindred lily]

😘

[kindred lily]

😘

[mystic wyvern]

lights dont suck its the way people play them and some are selfesh

[restive plover]

🤡

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

[kindred lily]

😘

[mystic wyvern]

LOOOOLLLL

[restive plover]

🤡

[warped quiver]

let's stay nice all

[kindred lily]

😘

[silk cargo]

😘

[kindred lily]

i’m only showing love❤️

[restive plover]

they can only troll, instead of engaging in a conversation-

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-bailey-instagram-toast-eat-eating-gif-27452982

[kindred lily]

😍

[restive plover]

I don’t know why the developers take these people seriously?

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-gif-10659278421145138570

[restive plover]

🤡

[kindred lily]

😍😊

[silk cargo]

😘

[kindred lily]

😘

[restive plover]

🤡 y’all got baited

[silk cargo]

😘

[restive plover]

you mad, cope harder

[warped quiver]

let's move on please

[sinful dagger]

One nice counter I know to sniper is kinda hard to pull of and niche but it's perfect. I call it the, walk behind buildings.

[silk cargo]

im gonna slather you in butter and put you inside my mouth

[restive plover]

I bet you I’ll be the one removed because I’m the one that’s getting picked on, when there’s tons of people who are gaining up on one person that one person usually gets sololed put - checks out

[kindred lily]

from what we are just having game balancing discussion

[restive plover]

🤡

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-sunshine-lebron-james-sunshine-sunshine-lebron-you-are-my-sunshine-you-are-my-sunshine-gif-509896211431970290

[bronze spade]

TA is a good example on how the sniper can be cracked

[warped quiver]

please

[restive plover]

🤡

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401

[kindred lily]

harmless fun and harmless debate

[mystic wyvern]

lights have their counter

[silk cargo]

no personal threats have been sent so i dont see the problem

[warped quiver]

spamming emojis to each other is not really a debate

[silk cargo]

nuh uh, is too

[mystic wyvern]

pushing alone without their team and getting smacked silly willy by a whole other team

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[kindred lily]

it’s was just playing around no mean intent was intended i was just simply flirting ❤️

[sinful dagger]

Lmao

[restive plover]

thank you, these people are children. It’s sad to see developers listen to people like this who throw a fit when they don’t get their way.

[mystic wyvern]

lol

[warped quiver]

this is also not a dating server, so please move on now

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/rizz-w-rizz-rizz-meme-dj-khaled-funny-gif-27434859

[restive plover]

it’s perverted I showed no interest in this man and he’s continuously harassing me

[kindred lily]

you were doing it too baby

[silk cargo]

"toast"y debate

[sinful dagger]

This debate is getting too hot

[kindred lily]

is that why you it the dms already?

[silk cargo]

im sitting back with popcorn rn

[restive plover]

I believe someone mentioned earlier that someone was making stuff.. and here you are.

[kindred lily]

nothing being made up those pics you sent me where super cute btw 😘

[restive plover]

It must be embarrassing, complaining for three seasons and still not getting what you want, lol

[mystic wyvern]

what do you main????

[bronze spade]

this game is going to end like lawbreakers at this rate

[kindred lily]

i know what i want 😍

[sinful dagger]

I wish I was as rizzy as this guy

[restive plover]

f@$k you punk

[kindred lily]

woah baby save it that for the dms

[sinful dagger]

He likes to be talked down to

[kindred lily]

anyway guys, so throwing knives are op? 😂

[sinful dagger]

Somewhat yea

[mystic wyvern]

meh

[restive plover]

yea exactly how many people have to say that

[silk cargo]

toast come back

[mystic wyvern]

unless if you spam

[kindred lily]

😊

[restive plover]

I must have made him mad, his passive aggressiveness is something else 🤣

[silk cargo]

the rizz is off the charts, shes falling for him already

[mystic wyvern]

look if you stun a heavy all that heavy has to do is RPG then quick melee or shoot them once

[sinful dagger]

Hes mad in love for you

[bronze spade]

honestly if you are playing controller, you shouldnt have say on what needs to buffed on light

[kindred lily]

facts

[restive plover]

If you’re that close to stun a heavy more than likely, we’re gonna end up blowing ourselves up with our RPG

[kindred lily]

that why you dm me already 🤔

[mystic wyvern]

do you main heavy?

[restive plover]

I mean, if they can’t acknowledge the weapons that they’re using then yeah, they should talk

[bronze spade]

these kids wouldnt last in quake or titanfall

[restive plover]

shouldn’t *

[restive plover]

I’m not sure they know what those are.

[mystic wyvern]

look who ever is heavy in hear and complain about light you just suck you have twice as much health than that light

[restive plover]

I’d like to main heavy, yes. It’s so satisfying taking out an entire lobby of light players, if I play anything other than heavy, I feel like I’m trying too hard.

[kindred lily]

1v1 😘

[bronze spade]

health doesn't correlate to damage

[restive plover]

Light class can be so great, I’ve mentioned that before. It’s so disappointing to see such great potential be flushed down the drain by people who don’t know how to play or what they’re doing. They have the potential to wipe all of us.

[mystic wyvern]

if the light is lit (most of the time) just rpg

light doesnt suck what sucks is the way people play it

[restive plover]

If that’s your mentality then why does everything on my class needs a buff, and everything else needs nerfed?

[mystic wyvern]

some are selfish and solo push and blame their tm8s why they were not there

[restive plover]

Light*

[bronze spade]

i want my fcar reverted

just slow the fire rate down

[mystic wyvern]

i did not get it

[restive plover]

I agree, considering the smg xp-54 can reach the same if not longer distances

[silk cargo]

wat

[bronze spade]

its crazy to me on how people sleep on the silence pistol and flash

[restive plover]

Light class is very valuable the way it is, yet everyone is saying that it needs buffed? On top of that everything medium and heavy needs nerfed too? The amount of bad light players that the developers are listening to and changing everything around for, doesn’t add up. The excuse of 150 health doesn’t correlate to the damage they put off.

[sinful dagger]

Fcar should have a super low fire rate but high damage

[silk cargo]

i wouldn't say super low

[sinful dagger]

Super low compared to a m11 or xp

[bronze spade]

i take out more groups of teams with a v9s then i do with a xp54 because i dont just sit there and i use my equipment to the max

[silk cargo]

v9s good

[restive plover]

That’s also another thing I wanted to mention is nobody knows how to pair combos!

[bronze spade]

i swear you kids want to nerf everything without knowing all the tools you have

[mystic wyvern]

true but back then rpg f@cked up a light and it was a unfair advantage for them

[bronze spade]

sleeping on the data reshaper

[restive plover]

After three seasons of nerfs, there’s gonna be a power, creep - light class has taken over season three lol

[mystic wyvern]

and for a medium you just need to get the first hits on them and you win the fight

[bronze spade]

not always the case

[mystic wyvern]

embarks main focus is not light only

[bronze spade]

med should be the best class

the other two should be niche

[mystic wyvern]

unless if you miss your shots you have the health advantage

[sinful dagger]

Medium is incredibly boring no way

[restive plover]

It feels really one-sided though. All I hear is how light is still at a disadvantage when they clearly have the most advantage over everyone.

[bronze spade]

no because the ttk on certian weapons are better on light, for example the v9s

or the m11

[silk cargo]

all 3 classes are good lol

[restive plover]

Maybe if medium and heavy class were reverted back to how they acted in season one, then maybe they could keep up with season three light class.

[silk cargo]

if a medium with revolver hits a shot first you've lost

[mystic wyvern]

ok look. heavy:HIGH HEALTH CAN TAKE A FU$K TUN OF BULLETS slow dps. light:low health verrrryyyyy low health fast dps

[bronze spade]

if its head more then likely

[restive plover]

Light class has the 100% absolute ability to one clip me in one second no matter what, heavy or not.

[sinful dagger]

Light didn't get that many buffs. TA is just a game mode that works best with lights and heavy got nerfed. Medium rarely had changes

[restive plover]

Light*

[hardy dust]

Except heavy has the best burst dmg in the game too

[mystic wyvern]

also you have to focus on how to play the all the builds

[silk cargo]

me when rpg

sa12 + winch

[hardy dust]

Heavy is strongest
Then medium
Light is weakest

[silk cargo]

HMM with double heal beams, try beating that with a light

[restive plover]

LIGHT CLASS HAS THE 💯 ABSOLUTE ABILITY TO ONE CLIP HEAVY. Is that not enough?

[sinful dagger]

Meta heavy is strongest. Off meta heavy is weakest. That's the weird thing about how it's been balanced

[mystic wyvern]

medium is team support heavy tanking ex bubble, mesh shield

[hardy dust]

Every class does

[restive plover]

Maybe if you guys practice on your position and your aim, then it wouldn’t be so much of a challenge

[silk cargo]

a heavy could kill 8 lights with 1 mag of an sa12, so what?

2 shots to kill, it has 16

[hardy dust]

Except light has to use the whole mag

[mystic wyvern]

light is to get around the map helping with cashout get kills mostly damage

[bronze spade]

dash should of never got touched

[mystic wyvern]

light is very easy to counter its not just rpg

[restive plover]

Light class should never push the cashbox, heavy should always defend it, medium should always provide support for that heavy & light, and light class should always protect them by being a recon / point people out, distracting them from getting to us.

[hardy dust]

Yep

[silk cargo]

"like class"

[hardy dust]

Light gets countered by skill.
The better you are, the weaker light becomes

[bronze spade]

with dash i can say you can get out of rpg or winch

[mystic wyvern]

true

[hardy dust]

You can reduce rpg damage/have a better chance of avoiding winch

[restive plover]

Is there no such thing as a good light player? Jesse

[hardy dust]

There is, but they lose to good medium/heavy players

[mystic wyvern]

there is

[hardy dust]

There's a reason that top players are mainly medium and heavy

[bronze spade]

utitily use

[restive plover]

We’re not always gonna win our 1v1 especially when this is the team based game, I mean, there’s a reason why three stack mediums is still meta- lol it’s better just to have that support then think you can one 1v1 everybody

[hardy dust]

The only really strong util light has is glitch nades

[mystic wyvern]

light has their disadvantage they have a low health but advantage is fast dps

[bronze spade]

they need a support gadget of some sort

something where a triple stack medium or heavy would be missing out on

[hardy dust]

And gateway is quite strong with the new cashout changes

It was already very good, but now its even better

[restive plover]

Light class has some pretty unique gadgets and weapons. To say the glitch grenade is the only viable thing they have is an incorrect.

[hardy dust]

I never said that

[mystic wyvern]

look embark is trying to make this game fun for us so just enjoy it

[restive plover]

How is it that the invisible ball is better than the actual invisible ability itself?

[hardy dust]

I said the only "really strong" util is glitch and gateway

[mystic wyvern]

we want to see the game we all love grow

[restive plover]

The gateway is so OP and yeah, it’s so slept on. RIP

[hardy dust]

Invis spec is the strongest for light. Dash falls off against good players

[bronze spade]

dash spam

[hardy dust]

You're just gonna get shot down

[bronze spade]

dash spam falls off is what i trying to say

[restive plover]

How about we give the dematerializer for medium class a few extra charges? I think it would give them some justice.

[hardy dust]

Make it free to rematerialize

[bronze spade]

dash can still be good but its not as great

[restive plover]

I like that idea, that might be one of the few things I agree with you on.

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but since light is already so weak it can be pretty hard with dash instead of invis

[bronze spade]

data reshaper should make the cashbox a explosive

[mystic wyvern]

lol

[restive plover]

Nobody talks about the grapple and that’s where I want to come in and say something because they don’t have a timer when they miss something as does the Winch Claw for heavy class, I know some people are not gonna agree with me, but I don’t think a heavy should have to wait 8 to 10 seconds when he misses his shot with the Winch Claw.

What if we made a live game event where it switched all cash boxes with the other team, you never know who’s gonna steal your box!

[hardy dust]

Winch is already overtuned

It needs a nerf not a buff.
It's literally a 17m free kill

[mystic wyvern]

no one pays attention to grapple

[restive plover]

Light class can fly across the map, every 8 seconds, yet they choose to be on the ground, why?

[hardy dust]

Because they just die after being separated from the team

[mystic wyvern]

yep

[restive plover]

But most light players don’t stay with the team to begin with?

[hardy dust]

You want them to take a 1v3 without any movement util?

[restive plover]

I’m saying, maybe if they weren’t confined to three dashes, they might actually have some more skill…

[mystic wyvern]

thats why some are selfish and some actually do good work with their team

[hardy dust]

Grapple is pretty bad because it's very narrow

Its not versatile like dash or invis

[bronze spade]

light is hard to balance

[restive plover]

On the contrary, I use the grapple when I do play light class and it’s so good!

I am a day one Apex player, and I still play two this day. The grapple has been in the TitanFall/Apex universe for a long time. Some people just don’t practice with it.

[hardy dust]

Grapple is great in tf2 cuz you can use it to start bhops at high speed.
Plus the ttk is much MUCH lower in tf2 so positioning is much more important

[bronze spade]

phase shift is better at times

[restive plover]

A better idea would be to remove the invisible ability on light class and turn it into more of a phase shift like Titanfall, I never understood why they had two invisible abilities (invisible ball)

[hardy dust]

Yep, but im comparing grapple jn tf2 to the finals

[bronze spade]

the sniper should be kraber

[jade portal]

The medium revolver needs to kill lights in two shots and before someone says it’s too overpowered ks 23 kills lights and two shots to it just needs one more damage. You get two shots off then you die to like cause you can’t get a third. It just needs one more damage that’s it doesn’t need to be changed anymore.

[restive plover]

It can't two shot bodyshot because it would one shot the head, something the ks-23 can't do because it doesn't have headshots.

You should also be going for headshots 100% of the time with revolver, that's pretty much it's thing.

[shell sonnet]

ks-23 has a slower rate of fire and long reload time, it needs it

[restive plover]

And remove the unnecessary dispersion for both.

[bronze spade]

lights should get a bomb vest

[silk cargo]

i second this

[fossil willow]

we need kunai knife dagger skin

[fleet brook]

Fair but phase shift is for pusses

[fleet brook]

The KS 23 is also complete shit and shoots slow

[lunar yarrow]

Is the famas good

[bronze spade]

lmfao not the way i use it, i get kills with it

[bronze spade]

yes

[fleet brook]

I play shotgun + grapple

[lunar yarrow]

I am thinking of buying the famas animations bundle worth it? I have no good looking skins for it though

[hardy dust]

I'm not sure if it still works but check your email for a free famas skin and a couple multibucks

[bronze spade]

rc101 and phase

[hardy dust]

Embark gave it for free a while ago and I'm not sure if it's still available

[lunar yarrow]

Holy

I have the code in my email wtf dude thanks man

[hardy dust]

Np

If you wanna buy the famas bundle go for it

[restive plover]

Practice makes better

[fleet brook]

I like it I practiced with it it's still a bad weapon

It has putrid ammo economy

[hardy dust]

Its a pretty bad weapon

[restive plover]

it’s nice to get under the cash box, spam mines everywhere then shoot the wall to allow it to fall down to me

[bronze spade]

now why isnt the lmgs have the ability to bring down buildings with enough bullets?

[hardy dust]

they do

just... a LOT of bullets are needed

[bronze spade]

maybe have less

across the board

[restive plover]

When using Medium Riot Shield, why do I have to hit a Zipline three times but when using regular melee it takes two hits?

[uneven star]

beam gun,beam gun,beam gun

[vale obsidian]

dude i want a rail gun with a charge up mechanic BUT (and hear me out) you can shoot at what ever part of thee charge up

50 damage tap fire and 100 fully charge

how long should it take to fully charge tho? also how long can you hold fully charge

[hardy dust]

That's pretty similar to bow

[vale obsidian]

But mid to long range

[sleek jewel]

what range do you think bow is?

[vale obsidian]

Close to mid

And not mid to long because its a projectile

[hardy dust]

Bow isn't long range

But long range weapons aren't very fun

[sleek jewel]

i mean throwing knives seem like a similar, far superior close option. i havent used bow too much but never felt like it was amazing close

but yeah, also chargeable sniper sounds like hell XD

[hardy dust]

Its got a bad ttk so it's never gonna be good

Its a flex weapon

[sleek jewel]

yeah throwing knives used to be that way

guess im just scared of those kind of weapons now

[hardy dust]

Yep, but tk also used to feel pretty bad to use

[vale obsidian]

bow can be good in close
you just got to finest it a lil

[hardy dust]

Whereas bow feels pretty good to use, since you have more control over it

[vale obsidian]

corner are your friend

[sleek jewel]

yeah its ok, just lacks movement and feels headshot dependent like revolver

[vale obsidian]

and i love it for that xD

[sleek jewel]

yeah cool for sure, just still feel like if you had tk in that clip you couldve more easily done the same thing at that range

[vale obsidian]

ofc its not the most optimal but it is some of the most fun weapon in the game lol

[sleek jewel]

no doubt, i just think its a medium range weapon personally

[vale obsidian]

maybe it just the monkey in my brain that making W key all the time but i all use sniper for close range lmao

quick scopin are so fun

[sleek jewel]

idk maybe railgun could be ok, but i think it would need to reload after every shot or something to be unique

[vale obsidian]

why i want railgun in the first place is because it will fundamentally have more counter play

• the beam act like a tracer so i know where the sniper is
• the charge up thing will give me a change to dodge into cover
• but the most important of all, "it sound cool lmao"
  o just imagine for a sec ok? the charge up of a rail gun slowly becoming more and more intense each charge then finally you shoot BANG! the most powerful fcking gun shot you've heard. it'll feel so fcking good to use

[ornate schooner]

Bro, so the FCAR keeps getting all these clean, nice looking skins, but the AKM only every once and a while gets a decent skin, the AKM needs some more GOOD skin to come out. I know it has a ton of skins already but most of them are just mid

[sleek jewel]

once it gets a good skin it gets nerfed lol

[vale obsidian]

@ornate schooner

Fcar
Akm
every other weapon

[sleek jewel]

i think its a cool idea, but potentially being able to charge the shit out of it and then dash around to find somebody to insta-blast to pieces is problematic. therefore, give it to medium

[vale obsidian]

what? it have really long cool down/fire rate

he shoot his weapon and he's defenseless

[sleek jewel]

so support your team with it and the rest of your kit

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah it should be on med mb
miss read

[sleek jewel]

ah, yah, plus being able to shoot back at snipers would relieve some frustration against sniper im sure

[vale obsidian]

now if we also have a sniper for heavy then we will have a sniper team burh that can not be fun lmao

https://tenor.com/view/valorant-killjoy-operator-sniper-snipe-gif-21258684

[sleek jewel]

its fine as long as there's counterplay for going agaisnt such a one-dimensional squad

[vale obsidian]

oh it will have a counter play i can guarantee you
what im worring about is how unfun it is to fight that kind of squad

[pine grail]

Any update today?

[paper schooner]

All ima say is this game is better than Elden ring that game is garbage

[ashen hawk]

yesss we need this weapon no sarcasm. i need anti sniper weapon, if theyre not gonna remove snipers (speaking as a light main myself, 1 shot kill)

[paper schooner]

Oh and btw I uninstalled the game so the player count just went down even more😂😂😂😂😂season 4 better hit

[vale obsidian]

😐

that one down on the player count will definitely be the different changer 👍

[ashen hawk]

lol. i get the joke. the finals meta is awful. we need to do anything that would make heavies rise so that we get back to the HML team instead of LLM or LLL

[paper schooner]

That would never happen bc these duck a s s devs keeps giving the light class lots of love they took of from the medium and all the light guns have the highest ttk which is super unbalanced there should be no reason at all that a smg is better than a AR at all

[main quarry]

light grapple would be used more if it worked like pathfinder grapple imo

[vale obsidian]

never played apex, how is the grapple like?

[main quarry]

it's way more versatile, if you were to look up a grapple tutorial, it will show the many ways it can be used. too much to explain here haha

https://youtu.be/Uv1BmQvJrfM?si=teSQTdZNno7grU1g

this video is great, it really shows off the technical aspects of it

[vale obsidian]

i also heard it get a charge on kill right?

get in -> do a dive by -> get out

[main quarry]

that must be a newer thing, I haven't played in a long time haha \

that's awesome though

[pure needle]

thats a chooseable perk, i think the main thing they were referencing is that u can maneuver the grapple with your camera which u can also do in finals tho, granted in apex the maneuverability is waaaay better and also feels better too, thats before delving into tech too, its honestly one of the most goated grapples in gaming

[dim onyx]

me when im embark and i make lights the most broken fun class to play. i love lights having more gadgets and weapons than everybody else in the game giving everyone the incentive to only play light with 0 downsides. i love when the same class that has the most in terms of quantity, is also able to fucking two tap you with throwing knives! man its so fun hopping in a game and seeing nothing but light class! it really diversified the games!! thank you so much embark for doing nothing about matchmaking or your terrible ranked system. thank you for adding weekly cosmetic items to waste my money on though!

[restive plover]

We should implement something with the Cashout money, what if light players could access a terminal and bring players back if they have no respawn tokens, give them some type of roll in the team.

[cunning kettle]

is thermal vision supposed to be cooked when its foggy

[bronze spade]

its a close range situational tool

you hear light pop off ivis, pop on the vis

[ornate schooner]

No

[restive plover]

The “Dead Go Boom” event was so fun, I wish people didn’t complain. I miss the chaos, nothing will EVER top season one.

[cunning kettle]

sh1900 invis meta my beloved

[polar cove]

Tripwires and turrets ftw

[signal gazelle]

Facts!! such a good event💯

[fleet brook]

CD depends on distance for one

[fleet brook]

It's newer it's one of his evo shield upgrades

[hardy dust]

Titanfall grapple 🙏

[fleet brook]

The CD always felt to long hot take ik

[warped quiver]

i feel like everyone i know agrees with that

just a tad less cooldown on the grapple

or even 2 charges

[fleet brook]

TF2 I believe had 2 charges but upped the CD per charge

[restive plover]

I don’t think people should complain about a gadget or a weapon unless they acknowledge the weapons and gadgets that they use. Everything is leaning towards light class. that’s not how balance works. “Nerf everything M & H but leave light class alone” it’s a joke.

[bronze spade]

any more nerfs and ill go back to titanfall 2

[sly echo]

do i only fully reload Model 1887 when there is no one near by, otherwise always keep at 0 and do the one shot/one reload?

[undone dragon]

i dont like being that guy who calls for things to be nerfed in the FInals. But please remove the winch claw, or give it to the medium since they lost a specialization in Terminal Attack and it would make medium melee more viable. Regardless, I dont understand the thought process of giving the class with the largest health pool a weapon that completely negates the downsides of the class's movement and melee weapons (High damage but virtually no range coupled with slow but large health pool). I love the Finals and have really enjoyed playing this game, but this ability is so cheese and makes zero sense on the heavy

[hardy dust]

Model shoots faster when fully loaded

So you want to reload when you can

[coral root]

Throwing knives are a cheap joke. Nerf that shit

[restive plover]

Sniper needs sway, make it a projectile so that people don’t use it incorrectly like a shotgun, and reduce damage drop off 100m to 75m -

[boreal laurel]

Popping off with my three favorite off-meta weapons tonight: DB, sword, and flamer

[spiral oriole]

db and sword are off meta?

[hardy dust]

Yeah

[ornate schooner]

I completely agree with this statement

[hardy dust]

Xp/lh1 is meta, m11 and v9s close behind

Sword and db are closer to niche picks

[fleet brook]

I don't like being the guy to call for nerfs

Remove it or give it to another class

I think people forget how bad Melee heavy was and why his weapons hit so hard because it was impossible to close that distance against any intelligent person

Old Melee heavy was useless in 90% of fights that didn't happen indoors

And Charge and slam helped but if the player was smart you weren't closing the distance at all

Light didn't have this issue because lights kit was stuffed with gap closer

Medium could wait for you and try to hope the shield worked while running towards you or moving towards you

Heavy was just a skill check of can this person move and shoot if so you beat melee heavy in 70% of circumstances

[fleet brook]

@hardy dust is this inaccurate?

[hardy dust]

Kinda?

[fleet brook]

Maybe I'm over remembering how ass trying to learn sledge was

[hardy dust]

Melee heavy was a niche pick before s3

[fleet brook]

I feel it was more skill checking your opponents

[hardy dust]

And it didn't do well, but didn't do that bad

[hardy dust]

Yep, but that's basically every melee in the game

[fleet brook]

To clarify it didn't function well again good people but most people sucked so it was a toss up

[hardy dust]

Yeah basically

Also goo gun actually worked properly

[fleet brook]

I mean light has guaranteed gap closing in his kit

Meds is designed to protect him while he closes in

[hardy dust]

Med has the worst melee by far

[fleet brook]

In beta and S1 melee felt fine because most people sucked

[hardy dust]

Light can actually close the gap but needs to do it very carefully

[fleet brook]

Look I said "designed to" I never claimed it worked

[hardy dust]

Fair

Melee was never that great to begin with tho

[cunning kettle]

Riot shield is pretty good against tks tho

[fleet brook]

Basically

Giving a slow class with no gap close and only defensive gap close makes them slower (mesh) while nerfing they're og gap close (gooing you) lead to very obvious problems

[hardy dust]

Ehh... riot can't do anything unless the tk player messes up

[fleet brook]

As people skill improved Melee heavy went from

Alright to niche to bad

[cunning kettle]

As a quick cash main, the people using tks almost always just run away when they see me block their shots

[fleet brook]

Tbf riot does nothing most of the time I'm using the damn thing

Semi useful for snipers in PS tho

[fleet brook]

And then they nerfed sledge

[cunning kettle]

They also can’t hit me since I just turn my shield at them

[fleet brook]

Also respectfully wtf would medium do with winch claw

[cunning kettle]

Yoink cashouts

[fleet brook]

From where they have shit destruction across a room?

They'd need a heavy or a light to open a hole for them then yoink

And it'd just collect dust next to heal beam

[cunning kettle]

Demat the wall and pull it then remat

[hardy dust]

2 specs?

[fleet brook]

Winch is a specilzaition

Demat is a specilzaition

[cunning kettle]

Exactly!

[hardy dust]

They could use 2 explosive mines

[fleet brook]

Like when was the last time you saw a demat med

[cunning kettle]

Today

[hardy dust]

Quite a lot

[fleet brook]

In ranked?

[hardy dust]

Pairs well with model + best for roaming med

[hardy dust]

I've seen a bunch of triple med teams so quite a bit actually

But its not proper ranked, just wt

[fleet brook]

I've only seen heal beam or turrets in ranked

[hardy dust]

I don't really see much turret anymore

But that's just me

[fleet brook]

I saw triple M with 2 turrets one heal beam

[vale obsidian]

now that i think about it

i haven't seen a single turret this whole season

[hushed edge]

Dagger buff when?

[hardy dust]

Never 😔

[pine grail]

Update today?

[vale obsidian]

lil timmy love to complain about "op weapon"

[serene sapphire]

Is the slug shotgun worth it's salt or is it underpowered and needs a lil boost?

._.

is that a no?

phew

[vernal crag]

Light need nerf he too fast

jokes lol

[serene sapphire]

I mean when I first played when the game was early. Everything felt fine until people started making their builds then it became nasty as the combinations and playstyles revealed how cruel you can be to your opponents.

Remember when people would just run around cloaked and tazering you before you could hear them?
Free death

Or when you're laying into a heavy and they turned around with an rpg for your sneakers.
Free death

Idk what the mediums did besides looking silly when they whipped out the riot shield, but their turrets are pesky heheheheheh.

[vale obsidian]

it sad man ._.

[hardy dust]

Mediums with recon and fcars

[serene sapphire]

Oh yeah

[vale obsidian]

dagger insta killing heavy is also fun

yeah nuke was rampit then lmao

[serene sapphire]

If anything, its the player's optimization of their gadgets and weapons that can make the game unfun because you gotta squeeze as much use out of everything you bring but it's a double edge sword where you're squashed in a split second once someone unleashes their wrath upon you in game.

Compare that to the sweatiness of COD where everyone's just sliding around with a pocket gattling cannon where the way you fight and die is homogenous, the dying and losing is felt more bitterly in finals which make people demand nerfs and buffs of lots of gadgets and weapons

[vale obsidian]

@gilded belfry it keep track of so many thing, this is just 3 pages out of the 6 or 7 tap i think

[vale obsidian]

it just how meta goes, you find the Most Effective Tactic Available that the dev didn't know exist that turn out was really op

[gilded belfry]

Ah not bad

[serene sapphire]

Yup, the plight of games that use players

[bronze spade]

no weapon changes? tf

[modern citrus]

Getting pretty fed up with the lack of weapon balancing. A good meta should be constantly evolving, that's part of the reason that people experiment with new weapons and builds. When you have static weapon balancing for extended periods of time people get bored. And frustrated.

[bronze spade]

really it depends on how they are balanced, halo got away with its balance because it was good

[modern citrus]

Sure, I don't want anything to be arbitrarily broken, but too many weapons are just useless right now.

[bronze spade]

TK is a example of being a broken weapon, a lot of these guns just dont have any functionality

[vital forge]

Devs dont make weapon changes for a month & we start griping? All We heard was wompwompwomp.

[rough carbon]

Dual blade mediums should be able to scale vertical walls and riot shield users should be able to boogie board surf their shields when sliding

[heavy tusk]

the KS is good for terrain damage (2-3 shots destroys almost any material) and has the most consistent damage across distances (100 damage, 60 at max range), but suffers in raw DPS and against high mobility (AKA dodge lights). Take it if you can land your shots and need some extra building destruction, but consider other options if you're up against a lot of close range, high mobility lights or find yourself in a lot of magdump fights. Also keep in mind it's a projectile, not hitscan, so you'll be leading your shots at range.

[shell sonnet]

its infinite terrain destruction without being restricted to melee/a really weird weapon
if you can play around its upside is worth it

[heavy tusk]

I recommend pairing it with mesh to mitigate damage during fire fights. If you find yourself in a 1v1 against a medium or heavy with a full auto weapon, they'll be winning that DPS race

[rough carbon]

I have a console friend who swears by mesh shield flamethrower and it's king on the power shift platform

Get a winch hammer heavy next to em and it's over

[royal drum]

does the tracking dart have any travel time or is it hitscan?

[rough carbon]

Hitscan

[royal drum]

sick

[rough carbon]

It does 5 damage and if you lunge sword a light and he panic runs you can nail em in the back with two darts and he's done

[radiant vapor]

pls ad a sounf cue to invis when they are sitting still. You can walk over them and not notice and then they stungun you in the back its just BS

[rough carbon]

I feel like that's the point

[radiant vapor]

how is this game supposed to be fun when that is the case.

[rough carbon]

I'm not a big fan of cloak either, maybe they should have a de cloak animation before they can attack like tf2

[radiant vapor]

i think invis needs a rework to bring back S1 cooldown but remove the fullinvisibility BS when sitting still

[rough carbon]

Attacking right out of invisibility could be too good

[radiant vapor]

also stungun cooldown is way to short for what it is capable of

[hybrid ginkgo]

I Agree

[rough carbon]

Seconded

[vale obsidian]

thirded
and also it should block gatgid not spec so its more utility then killing

[rough carbon]

Just stop time and have your way with me at that point

[boreal laurel]

I’m a demat main, so… 😜

[timid sandal]

It would be cool if the next skin for the flamethrower was just a lighter and a can of bug spray

[rough carbon]

I seldom see them

[timid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/rorchach-watchmen-flamethrower-gif-10068387121451629324

[slow sage]

Fr

[timid sandal]

Oh yeah gif rules but you get what I mean

Reloading just cracks open a new can from the grocery bag

[hallow current]

What about a water barrel that pushed players and objects away???

Kinda washing away the destruction a bit lol

Imagine an ice barrel having a combination effect with the water.

Or combining water with gas to make acid that stays on the point longer lol

Set it on fire? Floor is essentially lava for a short time lmao.

I wonder if this is even possible

[timid sandal]

Most likely not that could be a lot of extra coding and mixes most people won’t do

[hallow current]

A man can dream 😔

[cunning kettle]

speaking of extra coding, can embark please make the Auto Focus skin for sniper take a screenshot from the perspective of the scope with the reticle and all

like if you headshotted a light, the printed picture would be the light with the crosshair on their head right before you shot

[hallow current]

Heavies get brass knuckles primary weapon

Code Name: "Beaters"

-Speed boost passive
-Comparable fire rate to spear. slightly faster?
-2 Piece a light
-3 Piece a medium
-4 Piece + buiscut for heavirs
-Lungeing punch secondary (big burst damage after smol wind up)
-heavy environmental damage

[timid sandal]

I would like that melee style for a heavy, what about a heavy pistol? Everyone else has a handgun of the sort sometimes big like a deagle or something would be a nice change of pace

[cunning kettle]

i mean like medium already has the revolver, which is basically a hand cannon

and heavy has ks-23

[timid sandal]

True that’s already a slug gun

[cunning kettle]

what if embark makes grappling hook and mine/c4 stick to players

homemade homing bomb

stick c4 and mines on a light with grapple and then they grapple onto an opponent and explode

[lament mason]

plz embark dis sniper is crazy

[shell sonnet]

"nukes but homing"?

as creative as that is, no thank you

ok so, im not 100% sure
but now that i think about it
that may already work?

stick some mines on a canister and quick melee it near an enemy

i think that should make it explode

[cunning kettle]

Nah I just wanted kamikazi lights

Not an actual suggestion

On the other hand having grapple latch onto players would be crazy with sh1900

[shell sonnet]

funnily enough
it would be balanced, since both die

but it would be balanced in the worst possible way
like rpg and defib

because is sure as heck wouldnt be fun to face

[shell sonnet]

that im pretty sure it does

check eggcademy

ok no

but you can grapple the ground near an enemy

[shell sonnet]

ok so, funny that

it works, but damage doesnt stack "properly"

[cunning kettle]

Not as effective as just grappling into them

[shell sonnet]

ill test it for the optimal composition

[cunning kettle]

Actually testing my silly suggestion is crazy

[shell sonnet]

im bored

hmmm, i may have discovered something funny

[amber cloak]

Tell ussss

[shell sonnet]

okey so, raw data

if you hit the explosive (and the enemy) with a quick melee, this is the damage

c4, 3 (bars)
mine, 2,5
pyro mine, 3+fire
c4+mine, 4
c4+pyro mine, 3,5 (no extra fire damage)
mine+mine, 4
pyro mine+pyro mine, 3,5+fire
mine+pyro mine, 4
c4+c4, 4

all of this was tested on a fire barrel, which doesn't get destroyed in the process

but if you stack a c4, 2 pyro mines and 2 mines on something that breaks (like a chair) you can get a medium down to 3,5 bars

so it 1 shots lights

something funny though

a pyro barrel survives a pyro mine explosion (AND is set on fire)
so you could blow it up in an enemies face and just keep the burning

not the strongest strategy, but one of the funniest for sure

and if you keep it in them the whole time, the explosion will finish the medium off

only issue is, youre carrying something thats one fire

also
something else i found

nukes are way slower if thrown horizontally
but if you throw them vertically, they stay in the air long enough for the nuke to charge up

combine that with winch for funny shenanigans

[shell sonnet]

HEUREKA
IT WORKS

well not with light, but heavy

ill have a video ready in a moment

[hidden kindle]

ong they need to buff the model 1887'

[shell sonnet]

observe

[amber cloak]

Yooo

[shell sonnet]

1 mine + 1 c4 on a pyro barrel kills mediums

so you still have space to fit must use rpg

[amber cloak]

Not sure how usefully that is but it's dope

[shell sonnet]

wonder if it counts for the nuke achievment though...

cant test, already got it

[amber cloak]

What's the nuke achievement?

[shell sonnet]

to place an explosive on a carryable and throw it at an enemy

throw might be a bit of a strech though, who knows

[amber cloak]

Yeah not sure that is throwing

I can test it later, don't think I have that one yet.

[shell sonnet]

oh now i do wonder

normally mines bounce off of a dome shield, but winch passes through

what if you place a carryable with high explosives, a heavy uses a dome and you then winch the nuke 2.0 into the dome?
i think pyro barrels explode too if they hit it, may it be different for a flower pot?

must test

[amber cloak]

Oooooh that would be fun

Anti cashout steal fr

[shell sonnet]

yeah, line it up next to a wall with winch
run sledge
place a nuke on the opposit side of the room (they dont care, why would anyone place explosives there?)

on steal, open it up with sledge, winch, nuke

though admittedly
its just a straight downgrade compared to just winching someone onto a mine

[amber cloak]

It's fun though

[shell sonnet]

absolutely

managed to kinda pull it off rn
wonder what their face looked like

what could be the best map to use this on?

[pale granite]

What counts as a Marksman rifle

[pine grail]

So no balance changes this week

[boreal laurel]

LH1 and SR-84 only

[boreal laurel]

But believe me the V9S is easier than either of these

[cunning kettle]

sr-84 doesnt count based on my testing

[boreal laurel]

Really? Weird…

[bronze spade]

l1h1 is easier, reminds me of the g2a4 rifle from titanfall or the m1 carbine from battlefield bad company 2

[lament mountain]

just tried out bow and it's great! it's like a Diet Sniper

[bronze spade]

they better not touch it

[wild nexus]

the high noon revolver skin barrel doesnt line up with the bullets in the cylinder

[bronze spade]

turn on audio lolol

[lilac terrace]

bullets have an upward trajectory

[boreal laurel]

Okay, I don’t care what anyone says—dual blades are way better than they look. Just pulled a 12-kill game with them last night and another tonight

[eager wasp]

I know

[potent tinsel]

I like the pyro grenade

It is burny

[mint hemlock]

revolver hipfire not being hammer fanning is insane

[lament mason]

it two shots youre trippin

[mint hemlock]

buff bros aim (jkjk)

[blazing oxide]

Add an akimbo weapon for the medium

[frank nacelle]

I think at least medium should aslo get access to glitch grenades Ik its a big reason to use light rn but double shield and also triple medigun would be so much less annoying if more classes had access to glitch

[warm wigeon]

I mean, they have glitch mines

[knotty scaffold]

How do you stop a cashout with goo gun? I shot someone directly with it several times and it didn't do anything

[rotund umbra]

has to completely break their line of sight with the box to stop them, its kinda finnicky tbh

[knotty scaffold]

Oh like wedge it between them and the cashout

Next time I'll just go with the trusty rpg

[rotund umbra]

yeah def, its pretty inconsistent as goo tends to break and if someone is inside there is a glitch since the start of the game where it lets you interact still

[mint hemlock]

the real question is akimbo what you have so many options

[vale obsidian]

how about the akimbo being a spec lol

duel wielding shott gun

[lilac terrace]

dual wield dual blades

[vale obsidian]

didn't even grow more arm, just holding 2 sword in both hand lmao

[mint hemlock]

nah nah nah, double sided dual blades

double darth maul

[winter zodiac]

general grievous quad blades

[blazing oxide]

Pistol

Or like some type of bullet akimbo given to one of the class

[restive plover]

can you record yourself using them

[low kettle]

SR-84 counts as a marskman rifle.. sometimes.. for the 20 headshots challenge it doesn't but the other challenges where you need to do damage they count, it's super weird

[rough carbon]

Throwing the pyro grenade beneath the power shift platform to burn everyone above is so cheese but funny

[eager wasp]

Bow

[vale obsidian]

sword

[split fern]

Let's get back to the topic of the narrators: It's better to have more choices.

[vale obsidian]

is it possible to choise natrator tho?

[split fern]

yes

(and you can turn it off if you want to)

[sweet thistle]

gas grenade

[vale obsidian]

imagine having every narrators at the same time lol

[split fern]

that might too annoying, maybe you can choose one but only one narrator (Sorry to count scotty and june as one narrator.)

[vale obsidian]

would be neat i guesss

im not against it

but ai dose take some time to train so we porb won't get it even if we ask for it

[split fern]

good question

[vale obsidian]

good question indeed

also you keep relying to me

im not going anywhere man lol

[split fern]

even languages is the second question that we need to think about lol

[vale obsidian]

no no im just saying, im in my gaming dongeon rn and its very dark
the yellow on my screen is. well...

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-light-mode-discord-light-mode-cs-go-counter-strike-gif-25596696

[plain wasp]

How did a revolver do 152 damage to me?

[north flint]

Buff the 1887

[north flint]

Because the person shooting you aimed for your head

[plain wasp]

It does 148 headshot tho rightt?

[cunning kettle]

Revolver headshot is 148

[minor stream]

lights have an instant invis, heavys have an instant mesh

what if, mediums got a instant hologram reflecting the player? it could continue moving if the player was moving, stand still and can activate or trigger sonars

it would be a balanced special that would be great at allowing mediums to throw off opponents movements

[rough carbon]

Can't wait to get bamboozled

[minor stream]

real

[hallow current]

A bear trap for heavies would be crazy.

Imagine being a medium caught in a bear trap and it takes off some health upon activation.

You turn to your right and you see a Heavy with *Brass Knuckles winding up a haymaker

Although a bear trap would be basically a weird balancing issue

-can players break out of it?
-would players have to destroy the floor beneath them
-would the bear trap alot of damage or a little damage?
-etc

[rough carbon]

I like this idea

[civic veldt]

embark bring this back

[rose jasper]

gas is so trash

[barren wadi]

yes

[timid sandal]

Just imagine the junkrat trap from OW

[hallow current]

Embark could put a few spins on it if they like fr

Manage your expectations btw

You can't expect every gadget and weapon drop each season to be meta shaking.

Although, I hope they are for real ... I just know not to expect too much anymore

[timid sandal]

Such is any game

What if you could not only place but toss your sentry like a grenade style

Sentry grenade I guess lol

[rich jay]

Feel like it would be too much of " just throw one in mindlessly"

Less tactical

[timid sandal]

True a “set it and forget it” style wouldn’t really work

I’m also waiting for when they have a skin for sledgehammer that makes it a claymore

[rich jay]

Damn

Might work better with spear tho

[timber idol]

guys we literally have a sword weapon wdym

[frank nacelle]

bro the knife in this game has worse facestabs than tf2 with max interp

like im using it and 90% of my "backstab" kills are me right clicking them right in the face

[hardy dust]

The backstab angle is basically the same as in tf2

[timber idol]

just stop using dagger and become a V9S main

[hardy dust]

Dagger is cooler

[timber idol]

yes but cool pistol you can be like james bond

[frank nacelle]

the pistol feels so useless in my hands honestly thats how I feel alot of the time playing this game

I see someone absolutely stomp me with a weapon, then I use it and I cant even tickle people its especially prevailant with the mp5

I hit every round in my mag and do like 100 damage, then they turn around and kill me in 8 shots with an AK

been this wierd thing im going through the more I play this game, I started out bad, then got better, now I cant even make even on KD

[spark igloo]

(This isn't how the dagger works)

[frank nacelle]

it shouldnt work that way, but thats how it has been working while im using it

usually due to how games handle lag its why sometimes you get shot around corners, or get headshot behind walls, because lag thinks your hitbox was somewhere else when someone was shot at you

its a big reason for why turning interp up in tf2 basically gave you garuanteed backstabs no matter where you aimed your mouse as long as someone was rotating theirhitbox the interp would start making guesses usually allowing for very stupid stabs that wouldn't happen normally

[lilac terrace]

The v9s is fun. My skill level fluctuates a lot while using it but I like pulling the trigger on my controller going bap bap bap

[hallow current]

I saw someone with a sick ass ruby&gold sledge hammer skin

[mint hemlock]

deagles 😈

[blazing oxide]

For the heavy I think it’d suit it

The medium should get like a semi auto pistol like the light

[timid sandal]

Make the spear a trident and sell a gladiator skin

[sand monolith]

The sticker? Yes

The special? No

[fleet brook]

TF2 has a lot more bs stabs

[hardy dust]

Cuz you can stab instantly

But the backstab angle itself is around the same

[fleet brook]

Also laggy hurt boxes

[hardy dust]

Yep

[frank nacelle]

trying out the db and it really is the LETS GO GAMBLING gun at least in light v light
point blank shot: 148 damage aw dangit
point blank shot: 148 damage aw dangit
point blank shot: 148 damage aw dangit
point blank shot: 150 damage LETS GOOOO

Not a complaint ^ just find it funny

[civic veldt]

Nah nah but listen let it work like the pulse genade for the light class you know it pings like every 5 seconds or something nothing broken

[round light]

Am i the only one who feels like you die insanely fast when fighting a flamethrower but when you use it yourself it takes forever to kill someone? I can barely win a fight, if i do, I'm left with like 30 HP, but when i fight a flamethrower heavy he kills me before i can even get half HP from him

[polar cove]

Man I didn't realize how bad I was playing on average on my old pc until I got my new one avoid a week ago. My win loss ratio is about 150w to 560l, I rarely broke even on KD. I've been doing so much better with my new pc tho

[hallow current]

I would like it if they made the grenades more like impact grenades.

They bounce once and then they go boom

I personally would prefer it, it would make it feel more efficient -or lack of a better word

[lament mason]

ayo theres no way the mp5 beaming 150 hp at 50 meters is okay right?

the medium rifles i understand but yr telling wit light he just gets an all around laser?

[vale obsidian]

that ability either will be useless or op in the right hand lol

[jolly flower]

Kind of niche but a blow dart skin for tracking dart would be cool

[mint hemlock]

twin m9 for style points

[vale obsidian]

nah the kimbo need to be a spec lol

double the fire rate but do __% of damage

i don't want you do be able to ads with kimbo so i have a funny idea

left click shoot left gun and right click shoot right gun

[blazing oxide]

Yeah I think that’d be awesome

[blazing oxide]

That’s how akimbo works

[vale obsidian]

no?

[blazing oxide]

They’re not meant for range

[vale obsidian]

yep, but in other game i play the kimbo have ads

[blazing oxide]

More of cqc hipfire

[vale obsidian]

so i thought "it would be funny"

cqc?

[blazing oxide]

Close quarter combat

[vale obsidian]

ah ok

[blazing oxide]

Yeah

[pulsar belfry]

Its a matter of guessing where your crosshair is. Im used to siege 5.7 so it same as that.. Burst does the same damage but higher fire rate but less accuracy, headshot go crazy. The best thing on light is choosing your own fights and going in and out of fights. I use Dash, Vbomb, stun or pyro, and thermal bore.

pistol is crazy at mid range too

[frank nacelle]

I used to use stun alot but then I became dependent on it for getting kills

its too much of a crutch honestly

[pulsar belfry]

its only for heavys

[frank nacelle]

yeah DB is very funny tho

its just better rapier, why go for close range rush attack when I can just do medium range rush attack, twice, with a fast reload

[pulsar belfry]

dude the fact that mp5 is being used more makes im more intresting, Ill dash once, shoot, then dash out repeat with db

[vale obsidian]

mp5 is really great long range

the fall off is none existence

[pulsar belfry]

had a med confused after a db shot

[vale obsidian]

i was once too, i thought it was a sniper shot

[pulsar belfry]

not alot ppl enjoyed it as much as m11 r.o.f

[vale obsidian]

i play m11 purely for the fast reload

[pulsar belfry]

but i love dropping 15 kills + with dagger and not by cheeky backstabbing

[vale obsidian]

dagger is so hit or miss lol
i either get 10 kills or i get 10 death

[pulsar belfry]

Thats why i play v9s and 93r for the reload

dagger sucks against ak long range but that feeling when you backstab a hardscoper thats been constantly tagging you is sensational

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bigcupofcox-stblackst-soldiersmorningcoffee-tf2-gif-18530915

@restive plover

[pulsar belfry]

GET OVER HERE

[steel oyster]

for the medium a HEALING/STIM BOMB. Works just like vanish bomb for lights but boosts health by 70 HP to self and teammates nearby. Medium gets no love we need more gadgets like when we were the recon class, we need recon nades again, maybe impact nades

[vale obsidian]

i think it fit light more man (also 70hp is so much man)

[steel oyster]

i say 70 so when it comes out its really 40 or 50

[vale obsidian]

light can get the stim with speed boost and medium can get the heal bomb

[steel oyster]

light gets enough have them have to be in the vicinity of their medium to get the benefit lol

give heavy and medium a stim boost to move faster, light has DASH. yall always instantly want light to get stuff

[vale obsidian]

balance wise it make sense but the item just dosn't fit any class other then light at all

the stim for light don't need to heal, hell i argue it need to do 20+ damage to the user and give speed boost

and medium heal bomb should only do like 30-50 heals so people won't use it like a get out of jail free item
but i think the person effect by the heal bomb should trigger regen imo

[steel oyster]

light has DASH

[ripe carbon]

Lights don’t need more movement gadgets 🙏

[vale obsidian]

but i want to schoove

although if it ever added into the game lil timmy will never stop complaining about it and embark with nerf it into the groundd

[vale obsidian]

btw who to yall think this gatgid belong too?

blast grenade:

• fast recharge
• 3 stack size
• alot of knock back
  (op right?)
• well it do no damage so its a purely movement gatgid

[last stirrup]

Medium or heavy. Light already has so many movement options, and that would be abused far too easily otherwise. Medium already has the jump pad.

Heavy doesn't have many movement options, so it could be nice. Imagine blasting up and away as a heavy, and landing from the sky with a sledgehammer smash. Or, throwing one behind an enemy to launch him towards you, and hitting him directly.

[hardy dust]

One of heavy's weaknesses is the lack of movement

It doesn't make sense to erase that

[obsidian nexus]

ah, heavy is already meta so who cares amirite xd

[hardy dust]

I think medium would benefit the best from it

Having a more selfish movement item instead of zip/pad

You could make your build to either support teammates or yourself

[lilac terrace]

yeah

medium needs a more aggresive build with movement

[hardy dust]

Although that would be good after a model nerf

Cuz that paired with model seems a bit too oppressive

It would make riot and db better

Still probably not very good

Discussing a theoretical "movement grenade"

[lilac terrace]

maybe an airwalk or double jump would be alright

[ashen hawk]

airstrike, anyone?

[vale obsidian]

we have airstrike at home

(me and my homie shooting cl40 and mgl into the sky)

[hardy dust]

(3 mgl shots and heavy's elbow dive)

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[radiant vapor]

Lights and especialy sniper is feeling so oppressive when playing heavy it is not fun anymore.
none of my weapons have enough range to fight them.
My shield gets instantly disabled by glitch nade.
My barier gets destroyed by thermal bore.
Goo gets set on fire and burns me.
And at close range i just get stungunned and executed. Or back-stabbed from the from the front (and no that is not server or ping issue that is just a broken mechanic).
The only thing that levels the playing field is RPG witch has a ridiculous 45 second cooldown. :(

[slate prism]

lol give the heavy a 50 cal

[radiant vapor]

no just delete sniper from the game

[slate prism]

i want that as much as anyone else but i think it would effect that part of the player base or smt stupid but i guess theres always cod

[vale obsidian]

hate that dev always listen to the lil timmy crying that their crush weapon is nerf

[elder canopy]

Dont mind me, just here to ask for a carpet beater sledgehammer skin. Lemme work up a childhood trauma by beating up my enemies with it

[slate prism]

idk what the deal with the double barrel is but this last update ive noticed people using it a lot more and ive been getting two tapped as heavy and its kinda making me not want to play any ranked or tourneys

[vale obsidian]

maybe it just a underrated weapon all along

[slate prism]

yeah it was kinda annoying to use but 2 shot at a distance of like 3 meters so far enough away for me not to hammer them but enough for them to 2 shot me doesnt seem like a good way to bring back the weapon

[willow sapphire]

The jump pad is super bugged. Takes 2 seconds to activate after placing it.

[ember goblet]

MMM/LLL/HHH or similar matchup balance idea:

increase the cooldown of the gadgets/specialization by 30% by each of the same specialization/gadget on the same team.

wanna play MMM? ok, deal with the drawback. wanna play HML? enjoy the natural balance of the game

you wanna play heavy with claw but theres other 2 heavy with claw already on your team? maybe its a good time to try out the goo gun for the first time

what you guys think?

[vale obsidian]

always've been like that

[willow sapphire]

Ummm don’t even start. I’ve been insta using it for months

[radiant vapor]

it just does not activate when you stand on it when you place it. just place in front and walk/slide on.

[willow sapphire]

It was so so consistent in the past. Whether I stood or slid. After the last update, I literally have to stand back and count to 2 before I use it.

[vale obsidian]

new patch new problem

:(

[upbeat skiff]

sword lunge is so strong it does not need to be doin 140

[loud merlin]

i hate it but I'm not totally against it

[compact prawn]

yo

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204741064800338000/1245061119706398741/whaleg.gif

[rough carbon]

I personally think the medium should have the sniper rifle so they get the choice of either backing up their team or being a lone wolf with an added cost to movement

[rough carbon]

Lisa the Painful?

[deep marten]

This my favourite weapon

[rich spear]

Hey Embark, any flamethrower skins in season 4 battle pass?

[versed siren]

New Idea: Time reversal grenade that puts out any smokes/fire/poison and fixes the destruction of the map in its area of effect to its original state

[devout glen]

i feel like the destruction part would be very complicated to code and would hurt server performance

[cloud jackal]

I find it inconsistent sometimes, I tend to use it often to give my medium build some mobility and I find sometimes right after I place it I just walk over it, sometimes even if it's been on the ground

[versed siren]

give heavy a railgun

[knotty valley]

seconding heavy railgun

[versed siren]

give heavy commando rocket launcher with 4 shots

give medium the bomb from csgo

[blazing oxide]

It’d be like the rpg a gadget but instead of blowing up walls it’d go through it

[cunning kettle]

Scope + charge time so it can deal with snipers but it’s not as viable in cqb

Since rpg is already for close - medium range

[blazing oxide]

Right

Like let’s say a light throws a sensor nade or you pair it up with motion sensor which gives you time to charge it up

And can go through multiple people as well

[cunning kettle]

Honestly might be a better idea to give it to medium

[blazing oxide]

Hmmm idk maybe depends

[versed siren]

i mean a railgun is a really heavy weapon

hear me out give medium a timed sticky bomb launcher

what about a jump pad alternative which is like the redeploy blimps in warzone

also please let is rocket jump with cl40

[bronze spade]

i prefer a nailgun for medium

[versed siren]

what about a quad barrel shotgun

what about a miniaturized tank that the heavy holds that fires shells and minigun fire with alt fire

[sleek gyro]

I remember when placing a jump pad would immediately jump you. I wonder if they nerfed it?

[jolly flower]

Maybe a specialization for medium that gives you a jump boost/double jump. Kind of useless since you have jump pads but it wouldn't get you as high. Best used for horizontal distance and more uses than jump pad or zipline

[versed siren]

double jumps could be used in combat to throw off people’s aim

[vale obsidian]

This game is really unfriendly to low sens player xDD

[rough carbon]

That's literally the point of the tf2 scout

Double jump dual sword medium would be great

That's like two degrees from genji

[versed siren]

i know

[rough carbon]

Oh I thought you were against it lol

[versed siren]

the finals has a pretty significant amount of tf2 influence

[rough carbon]

My bad dude

[versed siren]

it’s my personal tf3

[rough carbon]

I hope light gets a flare gun

I need more damage causing projectiles as a sword

[versed siren]

i hope light gets an opuze that makes light even faster

[rough carbon]

Octane stims lol

I'd be for it

[versed siren]

i was thinking crit a cola or bonk atomic punch

[rough carbon]

If it was a speed boost it might wean people off the invisible nade

[vale obsidian]

Heavy weapon guy miten for gatgid
(forgot the name)

[rough carbon]

As of now invisible grenade seems meta for MOST light builds

[versed siren]

screw it give medium a jet pack

specifically the jet pack from jetpack joyride

[rough carbon]

Doomfist gauntlet for heavy

Horizontal movement please

[restive plover]

i just want to see more sniper counters

[jolly flower]

The finals × Plants vs. Zombies crossover

Peashooter turret skin
Wall nut APS skin
Crazy Dave's pan as a sword or quick melee

Half unserious and half "this would actually be pretty cool"

[vale obsidian]

let heavy rocket jump

[rough carbon]

I would freaking love it if we could have custom animations for quick melee

[versed siren]

give medium bandits batteries from r6

[jolly flower]

I saw another person concept quick melee animations like a poke and a pinch. Pretty cool concept.

[vale obsidian]

APS

[rough carbon]

Gimme a duke nukem stomp lol

[restive plover]

could have anti sniper equipment for medium maybe, this shows positions of them if a snipers line of sight crosses it

[versed siren]

give medium a laptop that literally deletes people as long as they hold on them for a period of time

[jolly flower]

Lmao "get dematerialized"

[vale obsidian]

Let me deta reshaper someone into a pot

[jolly flower]

Data reshaping someone's weapon into a lamp for 20 seconds

[versed siren]

let me instakill people with defibs

[restive plover]

BF4

[versed siren]

that would be so funny

[vale obsidian]

Fun Fact! It do 50 damage

[restive plover]

whaaa

[vale obsidian]

Not cappin not joking no lying

[restive plover]

this is as big as learning you can break heavies winch

[tepid knoll]

bow best weapon in s3 frfr

[jolly flower]

We need skins for effects. Like a Pyro could be a beehive and the fire could be a bee swarm

[versed siren]

can we get the fuse cluster charges in the finals

[jolly flower]

Bees are still deterred by smoke so it works

[restive plover]

new medium ability

[vale obsidian]

Roomba rowing out

[versed siren]

can we get dispenser

[restive plover]

light can maybe have scouting drones

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/engineer-tf2-gif-21490673

[vale obsidian]

raming it into someone do 50 damage 🙏

[jolly flower]

Would be good for TA

[restive plover]

knowing the thermite launcher does 0 damage, ramming someone with the drone would just kill the player

[vale obsidian]

We don't talk about ta 🤫
It dose not exsit

[versed siren]

new medium ability, call in a random assortment of smokes, poison, and frags

it would also be dropped of by a spaceship coming out of hyperspace

[rough carbon]

I sorta wanted a specialization for heavy where it works like the junk jet in fallout 4 or the rock it launcher in fallout 3, but for canisters

Suck up to 6 of em and dish em out

[jolly flower]

I was talking about a cool event where it made canisters rain everywhere kinda like that

[versed siren]

what if it let you passively generate canisters as ammo (you get to choose)

[vale obsidian]

New spec for heavy! Walk throw walls

[versed siren]

new spec as heavy! throw all your util at once

[rough carbon]

It might feel op, with the former you have to scavenge the map for em while depriving the enemy of said canisters

[vale obsidian]

*throw your light teammate lol

[versed siren]

do canisters respawn? because my worry is that eventually the map will run out of canisters like explosives

like do the balloons respawn?

[restive plover]

that would just be impressive

theres hundreds of placed canisters

[versed siren]

can we get a map that’s just a water park filled with canisters as the water?

[vale obsidian]

Lag

LOL

[versed siren]

what about a canister production factory?

[vale obsidian]

Im more interested in how can you use all the explosive on the map and still need more lol

[jolly flower]

There can never be enough explosions

[versed siren]

what if there’s potentially like 5 players in the same lobby all running the canister launcher?

[vale obsidian]

Randomly dorp nuke into the map pls embark

[rough carbon]

Might be a medium gadget

[versed siren]

i mean as a map

[jolly flower]

Imagine putting canister production gadget 4 floors above the cashout and just constantly dropping gas and explosives onto it from above

[vale obsidian]

or a spec 😈

Place the thing down and it'll keep making berral every idk 10 sec?

[rough carbon]

A clone machine but you gotta drop an initial prop in to clone

[vale obsidian]

Buy one berral for the pirce of 2 and get one free!

[jolly flower]

Imagine if you could use a gadget slot to double one of your other ones

Like you could have one less slot in exchange for 4 frags

[vale obsidian]

That would be so cool

[rough carbon]

Sounds like a game mode like total mayhem from overwatch

[vale obsidian]

But! How will it handle keybind?

[jolly flower]

Would prob be better as a gamemode since heavy would double rpg

[rough carbon]

Why stop there do 3 rpg or 6 explosive mine med

[jolly flower]

Triple defib

[rough carbon]

Watch out he triple fibbin

[vale obsidian]

6 turret

[rough carbon]

3 aps lol useless

[vale obsidian]

bagilion mines

[jolly flower]

Imagine a 3 stack with 6 mines each

[vale obsidian]

*9

[rough carbon]

That's the mode to break the supposed light meta lol

18 explosive mines

[vale obsidian]

Light can just grenade spam to clear all the mine out

[rough carbon]

Yeah lights get 6 frags

Or three stunguns, yikes

[vale obsidian]

Infinite dash brrrrrr

What about heavy tho

[rough carbon]

12 barricades

[jolly flower]

12 barricades.

[versed siren]

respawn beacon that halves respawn time and also lets teammates spawn at that point

[rough carbon]

Just an engineer dispenser would please me

And rather than replacing your ammo it slowly refills your active magazine

A passive reload

MGL heavy would destroy with one

[vale obsidian]

erecting on dispenser
uncle dane theme plays

[versed siren]

we got engineer gaming before sex update

[vale obsidian]

Or make gatgid recharge faster

[rough carbon]

Recharging abilities and health faster would be good too

[jolly flower]

Kind of a long concept but it could be a cool event/gamemode.

When teams get wiped, they lose 50% but a mini cashout with their lost money spawns somewhere around the map. It would be claimed by the wiped team and the timer would start as soon as they spawn in. Other teams have the opportunity to Steal it but it only takes 60 seconds to complete.

[versed siren]

i miss the sentry pre nerf where you could pick it up and put it back down to heal it up

you can also do the same with the aps

[rough carbon]

An Ana overwatch heal grenade for medium would be nice. I know some healer mains who might enjoy this.

[vale obsidian]

I had that idea for the longest time