💣┇weapons-gadgets

[bronze spade]

i like a single weapon being all you have in order to encourage you to be good with that weapon

[crimson merlin]

Plus as Cpt. Price says "switching to your secondary is faster than reloading"

[crimson merlin]

True but by secondary I mean ONLY pistols no other nonsense

[bronze spade]

i would rather see dual wielding being implemented

wait the imagine the 93r being that

[crimson merlin]

This would be nice! Dual wield pistols hell even the lever action shotty and the uzi...

Uzi or Mac I couldn't quite tellI actually think it's a mac

[bronze spade]

93r had a good hipfire buff

[crimson merlin]

Dual wield throwing knives 💀

[bronze spade]

i do want to see a rail gun

[crimson merlin]

But in what design?

[bronze spade]

quake or a charge up

[crimson merlin]

What about mannable turrets scattered around the map?

[bronze spade]

that sounds awesome

i would like to see power weapons on the map as well

[crimson merlin]

And a jump jet pack that can let you hover for a solid 30 seconds and or jump forward, side to side, or backwards to evade

[crimson merlin]

Wall running for the light and medium class might be a better option???

Like wall junping and running TitanFall style

[bronze spade]

never will happen, i miss titanfall

[crimson merlin]

Damn it would be a nice form of movement honestly

Apex missed out they should have had a rare loot box drop tha let's you call down a titan that last for 1:30 a minute thirty and anyone can find it but it's rare and yes there are multiple so not just ome person has an advantage

[shell sonnet]

hmmm, a sticky wall gadget maybe?

makes a wall sticky
the wall can now be used as a ladder, if an item/cashout hits it it gets stuck there

(to prevent excessive cashout cheese, mag dumping it still destroys it)

not fast past, but something

[bronze spade]

i think light needs a recon flag that can be destroyed but scans the area like the recon senses but limited range

[shell sonnet]

so motion sensor?

[bronze spade]

sort of

[shell sonnet]

different in what way?

[crimson merlin]

I like this also a barricade for walls like R6S that can let a heavy lockdown a room and only the Breach Charge, Thermal Bore, C4, and dematerializer can open it

[bronze spade]

its a flag and can be destroyed and its their ability

light needs to be the recon role, while med is support and heavy is assualt

[crimson merlin]

Castle barricades for windows and doors

[shell sonnet]

then youre screwed if you dont use any of those items
rock paper scissors mechanics are not good

[bronze spade]

med should be the best class while the other two are more niche to use

[crimson merlin]

I mean that's what this game is based on rock paper scissors

[shell sonnet]

they could honestly just make barricades even bigger and allow it to clip through walls
cant tell you how often they bug out and disallow me from placing them
i just wanna block a staircase on monaco maaaan

[shell sonnet]

yeah, not a fan
limits loadout variety and sucks the fun out depending on circumstances

[crimson merlin]

Not entirely think many people run the thermal bore so already lights could aid you "if they don't spend the whole time being selfish wanks who can't move from one spot"

I should add charge and slam can break through it too!

And rpg

But cannisters no

And grenades and such no as for the castle barricades simply whack them 5 times and they open up

It can give a team room to breathe and heal up with the team medic

[shell sonnet]

ability? you mean specialization?

what you describe is basically just "motion sensor but it looks like a flag"
that one is already not being used, i doubt that (even if buffed) it would ever be worth the spezial slot

unless we make it actual recon level, but then we just add old problems back

[bronze spade]

less range and scans a certain area constantly, and can be picked up, the idea is to encourage lights to play with the team

[shell sonnet]

that they already run bore is not a factor
if added they would have to keep running it and never swap off, just in case a heavy uses it

i think barricades are they way they are because being indestructible without explosives would be very unbalanced
adding that would basically forego barricades balancing in favor of adding something they specifically made barricades not to be like

people already complain about barricades 1.5k (i think?) hp every now and again, being actually indestructible would be even worse

[crimson merlin]

Bruh this would literally get people thinking and working as a team currently the game is "let's run lights and snipe only while one or two team mates captures the platform"

If not they can add an extra equipment role for people to run a counter...

[shell sonnet]

lights without movement or evasion are often just unable to participate in fights (or easily killed if attempted)
even with strong recon, they would sacrifice a lot, too much probably

there are probably other ways to get them to play with the team

[crimson merlin]

No m8, they are people who value K/D and can't risk dying because they think their K/D is gonna land them in a clan

Hell power shift is merciful it lets you change your loadouts and class

Yet they refuse and they go Zero objective and 100 or 200 support usually

[bronze spade]

they would have to be stealthy instead of rushing like they are now

[crimson merlin]

I had two idiots in a match today that on sudden death they REFUSED to aid the team on the platform and played with their nuts

And we lost because of them not able to do F ALL

[shell sonnet]

forced teamwork would probably not work and feel bad

in casual you cant depend on people, you're basically gambling if your teammates are good/picked the items you lack
if not, though luck, have fun wasting 15 minutes on a match you know you cant win

we should reward teamplay, instead of punishing those that dont/cant

[shell sonnet]

not so sure, it feels pretty balanced with 3
more variety, sure, but it might also increase spam, and youre gibing up less for powerful combos

[bronze spade]

i for one want cashout to be 6 teams for the ealier rounds then at the last round its 3 teams going at it

[shell sonnet]

also, adding something like an unbreakable barrier for powershift would be a bad call

sure, that mode might need it, but it would just cause more issues in the other game modes

other solutions would be better

[shell sonnet]

3rd party go brrr

[bronze spade]

everyone is getting 3rd party

hahaha

[shell sonnet]

timing when to 3rd party correctly isnt really impressive

sure, if everyone is being 3rd parties its fair, but hardly skillful

[crimson merlin]

Nah man reward and punish! Teach people right from wrong

[bronze spade]

what's skill full is learning how to counter those said 3rd party encounters as it possible with certain gadgets

[crimson merlin]

People are animals in GTA and CoD because they aren't punished

[shell sonnet]

id rather have the chaos of many players, but without the 3rd partying

5v5 cashout would be nice (though it might be ehavily defender sided, due to wipes being less likely)

[bronze spade]

they could put things in the map that are interactive to shut down said parts of the map

[crimson merlin]

This game is like CS, Valorant, and Overwatch in he sense that Teamwork is key to Victory

If I wanna go play slop I'll go join Trogs on CoD

[bronze spade]

it would make barricades and goo more viable then what they are

[shell sonnet]

and in trying to defend you get damaged/loose cooldown items, which is then an opening for 3rd parties, the only way to avoid being 3rd parties is to basically just let enemies take it, which causes you to loose unless you get it back
not really optimal

[crimson merlin]

Map specifics? Or they could hide dirty bombs on the map or gas leaks...

[bronze spade]

maybe add in more things to get said cash

maybe decoy cash bombs

[crimson merlin]

Ooooooooo Gas clouds should poison but also if you shoot should then instantly ignite akin to Fallout

[shell sonnet]

people are already being punished for playing the game by rpg existing and defib nullifying a lot of the reward you would get from kills

any more and it may be the drop that makes the barrel overflow

[crimson merlin]

The defib isn't as over powered especially since you can camp the person that was defibbed

Also defib has a long cool down

[shell sonnet]

that is something i actually agree with

more money for stealing the cashout specifically

we only get major rewards for putting in vaults and owning it in the end

so you can put the vault in without opposition, or 3rd party someone with little effort and get more than someone who wiped a team and stole it and had to put in actual effort

[crimson merlin]

Usually in the lofe of a medium you can get 1 or 2 defibs out before you are pushed into a corner and need to act quickly and run with your revive totem

[bronze spade]

or little objectives that are map specific along with more random events

[indigo monolith]

Has anyone noticed that the sluggers swing skin for the sword doesn't have its unique heavy attack anymore

[bronze spade]

i want more chaos and explosions

[fading ledge]

No

[shell sonnet]

if the medium stays near the defibbed they basically just gain hp and double their dps
forced into a 2v1 you pretty much always die

even if you kill them, once the defib is done thats now another guy you have to chase and waste time for

that alongside removing your reward for the kill and pretty much all risk/counterplay normal revives have

heck, just look at the pickrate
its proper busted

and you know, camping statues is boring

and even if you do, they can probably just jump pad in or run through a window to get it off basically risk-less

[crimson merlin]

They could alter the loss of points via making a revived player take away 50 points from the killer???

[shell sonnet]

what kind of points?

[shell sonnet]

what do you mean?

[bronze spade]

instead of 500 its a 450

[crimson merlin]

You said the reward for the kill

How many points do you get for a kill?

[shell sonnet]

as in dopamine and that the enemy team is down 1 man, making a victory more likely

that reward, not cash or something

should've clarified, apologies

[bronze spade]

i see it as a good farming opportunity with the defibs

[crimson merlin]

Ah, I mean hmmmmmmmm we could probably find a fix to this maybe take away defib because only one class can run it and it's not fair to heavy or light who have to manually revive

[bronze spade]

we should have the option to pick up enemy statues as well

lolol

[shell sonnet]

it sadly doesn't work that way

a defib can, at most, give you 500$ extra
and that only happens if you dont die in the 2v1 or they dont run away

at the same time, brute forcing a win by cheer numbers can loose you (at best) 7k for the first cashout and at worst like 15K (?) for getting the last one stolen

the money you gain by killing a defibbed is basically nothing compared to what it will gain the user in the most important moments

[shell sonnet]

as much as i dislike it, just removing it would not be a good idea
but we also cant just nerf its stats either, that would probably just make it feel bad to use

id go for a rework that adds risk

transferring damage dealt to the hologram to the defib medium for example, so they have to take it somewhere safe (and thus only save the revive time)

or maybe splitting the mediums remaining health between them and the target, it gives an opening to attack in and makes it riskier if youre already loosing the fight

or perhaps you have another idea?
id love to gather some

[bronze spade]

i dont like the idea of chaning the defib as its the medium's purpose

[shell sonnet]

medium is support, defib is still support, it just needs more nuance

[bronze spade]

i think picking up the enemy statues can pose a good strat, to stop them from defib

[crimson merlin]

I mentioned giving it to heavy andlight because they are usually at a disadvantage of not having a faster revive

[crimson merlin]

Yes pick them up and hide them or throw them far

[shell sonnet]

would help but also result in trolling
not worth it imo

because you also have to waste coins

[bronze spade]

that is if arent you getting third partied

[crimson merlin]

Ah you are talking comp I only play casual...

[shell sonnet]

nah, i also play mostly casual, would still suck tho

[bronze spade]

i feel like those coins can be reloaded for a $1000 out of the cash pool

[crimson merlin]

Not really because you could just respawn "if your last team mate is an fetus and actually hides to wait for his team to get back"

[shell sonnet]

just fighting fire with fire, not good

even less build variety and makes medium less unique

[crimson merlin]

Ok replace mediums med gun and defib with heavies mesh shield and dome shield

Let the heavy be a Frontlines beefy medic

[bronze spade]

instead of nerfing said strats, why not make more build strats?

make light do something

or three heavies do something

[shell sonnet]

for more strats to be viable you would have to buff stuff
problematic

frags for example are pretty balanced imo, but to be on par and be able to outcompete defib they would need buffs
damag buffs makes it one shot lights, no go
radius makes them impossible to escape, problematic
recharge and/or amount, more spam

and you would need to do that for pretty much all items, just so you dont have to rework 1 item

bad idea

[bronze spade]

well new equipment?

[shell sonnet]

leaves the rest in the dust

[bronze spade]

if heavy had a placeable man use turret, they can use the old season 1 strat with shield and barricade

these strats as broken as they were, encouraged team play to the max and the game felt the best

compare to what it is now, it feels terrible

[shell sonnet]

thats the thing
you needed to play to the max to win, because everyone was doing it
and that included abusing broken strategies

if you didnt, there was little you could do
you had to fight fire with fire

with nerfs to the strongest, other items can shine

heavies went from filling 2/3rds of every lobby to rarely run because nukes are gone

rpg and defib are run full time and still problematic

id like to run some stupid combo like gravity cube, frags and motion sensor every once in a while without making my team regret ever meeting me

[static heron]

They reallyyyy need to give medium an smg like a vector, saw a post about that on reddit and oh my do I need it now

[bronze spade]

maybe counters to defibs and rockets? the rockets are annoying but they cant kill you alone and the defib is something should be expected, however thats the only good thing medium has

medium has been getting hit and being more less vaible in the sense of holding its own

i think next season the heavy and medium needs to get buffs across the board, minor in some areas but major in some

to force lights play thier intended postioning

the game shines the best when you also experiment with things as well, winch claw is good for grabbing the cashbox, i think we are not actually everything to the max as well

[shell sonnet]

There are some, mostly items
Butnthen we run into the "must pick and use nothing else" issue

Rockets leaving lights at 10 hp is a death sentence, you just dont survive

And even when it only removes 50% of a mediums hp, that is still way too much

Ive had a worl tour game once, 1 medium and 2 lights on my team
We did really well and were always top of the board, until the last round
Last round, any time we tried to engage, we got hit by rpg and killed
If we ever got a kill, the medium just defibbed

We went from above avergae performance to 1:7 kd, because we couldnt fight fire with fire

[shell sonnet]

But thats the thing though, mediums need defib to hold their own

If everyone got nerfed (in the stuff that makes tjem too strong), they wouldnt HAVE TO run it
Alongside removing common frustration points

[bronze spade]

oof thats a weak combo

[shell sonnet]

Too bad experimenting is punished, since not running the busted items means you just loose

Thats why i want nerfs to defib and rpg

[shell sonnet]

?

[bronze spade]

nerfs are making the game worse

[bronze spade]

2 lights and 1 medium

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, thats kinda true

But that does show my point
We tried to make something work, didnt have the busted stuff and just lost
Not because of our abilities, but because we couldnt out-cheese the others

All compositions should be viable, able to make it work in some way

But some of these busted items brute force a win, de-insentivising diversity

[shell sonnet]

Not always

Nukes are gone, and im pretty sure most are glad

It needs to be the right nerfs though

Recoil for fcar probably wasnt the right choice for example, made it feel bad to use (for many)

Had they done rate of fire instead, it wouldve lessened the complained about beaming, while also making recoil slightly easier to controle, solidifying its role

[bronze spade]

light needs more of a role is the problem, it doesnt have a purpose, like there needs to be something they should get that makes them viable to have on your team, i did like the fact that invisible ball make your invis for a couple of seconds but at the same time like i think that they should of added more to them rather then buffs to the weapons that make broken as they are right now

sure you can do the triple medium or 2 heavy and 1 med but you would be missing out on what light can do

[shell sonnet]

Personally i think that (except for the odd thing or 2) light is pretty well balanced and valuable

Only issue is that upon engament, they just insta die to rpg
And if they manage to make a play, that reward is just removed by defib

If those 2 were nerfed, then lights team gadgets, kill chasing and flanking would already make it viable

[bronze spade]

i dont like the fact that heavy and med are getting nerfed just so light can be viable

light should be always that class that has the high risk factor

[shell sonnet]

Not just for light to be viable

Rpg and defib are also annoying if you play the other classes

Its more of smashing 2 birds with 1 stone

[bronze spade]

i do play other classes, ironically i dont play heavy that much as i find it a bore, the thing with defib what i learned is not rush a team but instead sit back as a light and wait for the oppertunity to strike

[shell sonnet]

Yeah but when is that too high?

Being 1 shot by rpg is not risk, its just being unable to play

Getting a kill just to have it removed in half a second just removes the reward from "high risk, high reward"

[shell sonnet]

Doesnt always help, and if you just sit back youre not attacking/stealing

[bronze spade]

it doesnt happen anymore, 1 rpg shot doesnt kill you and if you are getting one shot its because they peppered you

whats the point of a rpg if it doesnt do damage?

[shell sonnet]

True, rpg's dont 1 shot you

But any damage just kills you
Thats too much

[bronze spade]

just like getting sniped as a med

[shell sonnet]

Destruction, just like c4, breach charge and thermal bore

Long range destruction is important

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

Sniper is annoying
Really wish it was kind of a mid range dmr

[bronze spade]

thats how you are supposed to play the class, you're not to be the one always pushing the assault but rather gathering intel on what the enemy team is doing

sometimes you need to sit back and revive your team mates when they are down so they can push while you control whats going on around the objective

like imagine if lights were invisble when reviving

[shell sonnet]

but its not just light that suffers under defib, they all do
only difference is mediums can match it and heavies can waste a defib by either cheesing the kill first with rpg, or by killing them instantly once they are back

camping and waiting for the defib medium to come along is boring, and it may not even help you
you can wait at a statue all you want, if the medium falls from the ceiling with demat, jumps through a window or just uses mobility item or cover, then you most likely cant prevent the defib, resulting in a free revive

[bronze spade]

but it comes back to my point of being able to pick up enemy statues, it should be a part of the game

im surprised they havent made a game mode on just that like a freeze tag mode

[dusty abyss]

what is the worst light gun?

so I can main it

[bronze spade]

93r

good luck

[dusty abyss]

I dropped a 20 with it

[bronze spade]

how?

[dusty abyss]

I have no clue😭

[bronze spade]

console?

[dusty abyss]

yeah

aim assist is off btw

[shell sonnet]

it does, but that would also have its own problems

something needs to be done, but maybe we need another idea

[shell sonnet]

gun?

if you really want a challenge use dagger

[bronze spade]

the dagger is good if used right, the 93r is just trash all around

[shell sonnet]

meh, 93r can get the job done

dagger on the other hand is really limiting
sure, dagger has its moments but overall you're likely worse off than with any of the guns

just my opinion tho

[dusty abyss]

the 93R is like the famas

[bronze spade]

no

the famas is the goat

you should use the medium gl

[shell sonnet]

cl-40 is pretty bad rn, but depending on mode and playstyle it can get the job done
riot is probably still a bit worse

[dusty abyss]

I shred with the cl-40

[bronze spade]

dual blades?

thats just terrible rn

[dusty abyss]

i need to get better at thos

[shell sonnet]

if you want to play melee, these are probably better, if you hit the reflects its a straight up positive damage trade

i think you take 20% of the damage and deal 100% back?

[bronze spade]

i killed a lot of players who were reflecting by shooting at thier arms or feet

[shell sonnet]

people tend to forget that

and you can bunny hop, makes hitting the feet harder and when re-aiming they likely hit the swords

[bronze spade]

riot shield i have a lot harder time because they are there

[bronze spade]

i love when people try that as well

[dusty abyss]

riot is a pain to deal with

[bronze spade]

see thats the thing i dont get riot shield and dual blades do the same thing pratically

[shell sonnet]

yeah

especially with the buggy hitbox of the shield, tanking while the body is exposed

on one hand, riot is bad because you can just outrun it, on the other hand, it would liekly be too strong if you couldnt do that (for some reason)

[bronze spade]

the riot shield is good

[shell sonnet]

at least it gets to do something against stun gun, cant count how often that saved my ass

[bronze spade]

you get close enough to someone and they will have a hard time about trying to get you especially a another med

its good to pair that with the goo grenade

[shell sonnet]

yeah, but they need to get that close in the first place
similar to sledge

if they got that close, you deserve to die

fair enough imo, but thats why getting close shouldnt be, cant be easy

[bronze spade]

depends on how you are playing, you can sneak up on people and its pretty humorous

[shell sonnet]

yeah

[bronze spade]

power shift its effective

[shell sonnet]

not sure how often, but lights decently often walk back towards me after being hit once them, and they just die
they probably underestimate it

with how few people use it, not suprising

[bronze spade]

its only flaw is pyro

[shell sonnet]

honestly

never had that happen to me

not even sure how often i see pyro nowadays
still fun to use tho

[bronze spade]

running up on a heavy is the most funniest thing to do

[shell sonnet]

does it really not stop when putting riot away?

[weary eagle]

A weapon so niche it somehow becomes decent because of it

[bronze spade]

the riot shield is under rated

i prefer it over the sword

[shell sonnet]

people dont expect dagger

thats why smoking up the cashout and going for stabs with thermal vision is really effective

won me the odd world tour or so

[bronze spade]

flashbangs is good

[shell sonnet]

hate stun personally
dont specifically like using it either

if i run my usual dagger loadout i go with smoke and thermal
and i cant live without destruction for flanks, so i take breach

[bronze spade]

i like to hit flash and then smoke3

[shell sonnet]

no space for stun gun

[bronze spade]

i still use dash

[shell sonnet]

yeah, my go to for dagger

[bronze spade]

smoke, flash, and thermal for me

not stun

[dusty abyss]

that probably more effective then stun in my opinion

[shell sonnet]

hmm, i tried using flash a bit

but beyond feeling like a swat guy it didnt really do anything for me
cant really make use of it

and i flash my mates often

any advice?

[dusty abyss]

callout your flash

[bronze spade]

throw it when you know that a group is there or if you enter a room and see someone

[shell sonnet]

in casuals?
nah

[bronze spade]

im always throwing it in the pan in powershift

[shell sonnet]

but whats the point

if you dont want to be flashed yourself you need to look away, by the time you get to engage its almost gone again

doesnt feel impactful enough to warrant using it

[dusty abyss]

its a natural instinct

[shell sonnet]

probably its best use case

[bronze spade]

i throw flash then smoke

its more of a psychological effect then a practial use

[shell sonnet]

well, then youre hidden during the flash and they dont know where in the smoke you are
thats getting somewhere

[bronze spade]

its a ghetto invis

also it tells me if someone is there when i get a hit marker

[shell sonnet]

is it just me, or is smoke really inconsistent at times?

like, sometimes i throw a canister and its like its not there

at the same time, blowing up a building makes more dust than most nades for some reason

[shell sonnet]

yeah that too, especially if youre like 2-3 floors up and wanna know if theyre gathering

or as makeshift cloak counter, flash, if its a hitmarker a cloak is nearby

[bronze spade]

ive been running flash and grenades3

recently

[shell sonnet]

ive been enjoying akm, frags and pyro recently, too bad i cant swap of defib for a movement item

[bronze spade]

imagine if med got a extra item slot

but in return they had lesser gadgets

[dusty abyss]

naw

[shell sonnet]

not a fix since all classes can have that issue
and inconsistencies between classes would make the game convoluted

easily noticed, well telegraphed and natural differences (small, low hp, fast // big, high hp, slow // inbetween these) is alright
but innate differences like that wouldnt work

[bronze spade]

i just remeber this game reminds me of gotham city imposters

[shell sonnet]

dont know that, what about it?

[bronze spade]

it was a game released late in the seventh generation of console and it had a class system similar to the finals

it too had jump pads and was a arena shooter

the point was it a decent game but it never took off and was shut down a couple of years in the future

[arctic fog]

Make a finger gun skin for any of the handguns and the sfx will be your character going "pew pew"

[weary eagle]

Crazy how the dual blades best use is to stand there menacingly

1v1 in terminal attack as defender, force them to not plant

[timber idol]

omg we need this

[white torrent]

buff data reshaper xp gain to make it give xp per item reshaped instead of per time used

[dusty abyss]

they should increase accuracy for the 93R

[hushed edge]

Pretty sure they did...

[dusty abyss]

accuracy is still 🍑

[rugged lava]

Can we please get a boomerang for the medium class!! Make it a throwable item that does damage when hitting them and coming back. The LT ability could be a powerful smack/melee.

[hushed edge]

What if each class had a passive ability? (Kinda like Apex)

[shell sonnet]

might make the game too convoluted
would also be another point that needs to be accounted for when balancing

[noble osprey]

The more things that are added comes a new wave of complaints and balancing difficulties. People need to have the mindset of a developer to understand the position of why certain changes happen

[slow sage]

I literally was thinking at the end of s2 I hope they add a boomerang to the game or maybe like a flame boomerang

Imagine they added a specialization like the goo gun (reloadable) but it was a fire extinguisher that can be used to put out fire or use as smoke bombs

[vale obsidian]

even better: what if we can choose our passive? oo~

combat: +15% movement speed or +15% reload speed
health: 20% faster regen time or 50 more hp

[vale obsidian]

hate that people daman shit without giving it a second thought

[cold plover]

make the RT20 a heavy gadget that can be used once

[vale obsidian]

you want a refiguration as a gatgid?

[fleet brook]

Why don't we have cryo and the entire purpose is just it's a slow

[bronze spade]

i dont understand how people play cashout today. they ruined it

[vale obsidian]

porb casual

[vernal raft]

i have an idea for a finals season theme being 1920's and weapons would be in odd placement, light would have the BAR rifle, Medium would have the chicago typewriter thompson, and heavy with brass knuckles. this is just an idea i would like but i know that Embark will only do their own

[vale obsidian]

@vernal raft bro i had the same idea lmao

[unique sparrow]

Anyone have fun or just non serious builds?

[vernal raft]

shield and a whole minefield as gadgets

[vale obsidian]

light have a GUN build
track, stun, bore

[unique sparrow]

Sounds silly i might try that, what else

[vernal raft]

apparently that medium build pisses off people badly

[vale obsidian]

i don't have anymore but the GUN buld is actually a really good anti sniper loadout

[unique sparrow]

Ohhhh nice

[vale obsidian]

yeah it slow the game down to a craw, i hate it too

[vernal raft]

no shit i'm first to be targeted in every tournament or power shift game by the whole team

[cold plover]

it’s a old anti material rifle thingy

[unique sparrow]

And what would the gadget do if i may ask

[vale obsidian]

distroy a wall in one shot ofc!

[unique sparrow]

Ah well i dont really see the point when you have an RPG or KS23

[vernal raft]

rpg can be negated by dematerializer or item reshaper

[unique sparrow]

Theres barely anyone running demat/reshaper despite how useful they are so

[bronze spade]

compare to heal and defib?

[unique sparrow]

Shit i dont see ANYONE use reshaper

[unique sparrow]

Obviously heal and defib is bonkers strong, duh

But demat still has its utilities ITS SO GOOD

[bronze spade]

reshaper would be useful if you can make the explosives into objects while retaining its original form

demat is good for flank or esscape

1887 or the famas comes in mind with that ability

[fleet brook]

KS 23 isn't really good for destruction too slow

[fleet brook]

And for uve fishing

Ice*

[vernal raft]

it takes about four shots to break a wall, by the time you do you're already dead

[fleet brook]

By the time you're done you could've just gotten to the point you're trying to gain access to

It also doesn't open a huge hole

[unique sparrow]

Just setup the KS23 destruction above the cashout

Buuut in terms of quick destruction its slooow

[bronze spade]

we need a good pump shotgun

for med

[unique sparrow]

May i ask what difference would it have over the 1887

[bronze spade]

its semi auto and spreads further, the winchester is more of a sniper then a shotgun

[unique sparrow]

Semi auto pump shotgun, huh?

[bronze spade]

no what im trying to say its fire rate is faster and feels more like a traditional shotgun

[unique sparrow]

I see

[bronze spade]

1887 is kinda over rated and feels more like a toy

[unique sparrow]

The 1887 feels powerful and it is powerful

But to each their own

[bronze spade]

not exactly you miss a shot and you are punished

[unique sparrow]

Its a hard weapon to use but you are rewarded heavily for aiming well with it

[heavy tundra]

A bola ball gadget would be cool gadget, skill shot slow projectile that stunns the prsonlike the stun gun but maybe have it do diffrent things?

oh and a whip with a alt attack would be cool

[cold plover]

like a 1 shot if u hit it then wait 30 seconds

[bronze spade]

in theory, but there is time where it was slither of health and some light beamed me

[unique sparrow]

Quite unfortunate

[bronze spade]

the ttk is too fast now

[hardy dust]

Model is the strongest medium weapon

[bronze spade]

the fcar was

[hardy dust]

And it got nerfed, so now model is best

[bronze spade]

thats not good

[hardy dust]

?

[bronze spade]

light has no effort weapons that kill you faster

[vale obsidian]

model always have been best

[hardy dust]

You'll win the duel with the light if you have decent aim

[vale obsidian]

also plus style point for using it in the first place lmao

[bronze spade]

not all the time, if there is even pellet missed you are screwed

[hardy dust]

The tight is so spread that if you miss it's your fault

[bronze spade]

good luck going sawed off

[hardy dust]

So yes, if you miss you'll probably lose

[vale obsidian]

"The tight is so spread" xD

[unique sparrow]

But it is pretty tight

[bronze spade]

no there is time where im aiming and i hit, then the health is at a slither

[hardy dust]

Lmao

[vale obsidian]

how good is model vs heavy tho

[hardy dust]

3 shots, it does very well

[vale obsidian]

DAMN

[bronze spade]

i want the fcar back

[hardy dust]

You were probably off target by a bit or at pretty far out

[vale obsidian]

i thought its 4
or maybe thats just my aim

[hardy dust]

128 dmg per shot is super good for breakpoints

[hardy dust]

No, it was overpowered

[unique sparrow]

Just let It rest we had enough of the FCAR already

Give the spotlight for the other medium primaries

[bitter surge]

Talking about the model 1887 ? yeah it’s pretty OP and disgusting, nerf it plz 🙏

[vale obsidian]

ngl i want the model nerf so when you fire + melee + fire a medium it leave them at 1 hp

so i can finish them off with a track dart

[hardy dust]

That would be a massive nerf

It already 2 shots medium, so making it unable to 2 shot + qm them would completely gut the weapon

[unique sparrow]

Haha nice one!

[bitter surge]

Valid one

[vale obsidian]

what if the 2 tap leave the med at 1 them?

[bitter surge]

It’s not a joke, a SHOTGUN that has a fall-off damage 20 METERS is freaking wild

[hardy dust]

It would be much less powerful

[vale obsidian]

it is a nerf after all

[hardy dust]

Then nerf the spread. Less tight = less range

[hardy dust]

Yep, but it would probably be too much and model isn't super op

The main issue with model is the range

[bronze spade]

1887 is trash, there needs to be more consistence with it

[bitter surge]

Yes this is a great idea

[vale obsidian]

but i want to finish people off with a track darrrrrt

[bitter surge]

🤔😵😳😳😵 ?!?!

[hardy dust]

Its super consistent, one of the most consistent weapons because of how accurate it is. You're just missing

[unique sparrow]

I can see you're baiting

[bitter surge]

Exactly, it’s sooo EZ to land your shots

[bronze spade]

no its not, it feels terrible i would choose the famas over it everytime

[hardy dust]

If you have good aim it rewards it.

[bronze spade]

the famas has better range and headshot potentiol

[bronze spade]

on controller yeah

[unique sparrow]

It comes down to how you aim well with it

[bitter surge]

Buddy it’s totally fine, just play with the gun that suits you

[vale obsidian]

but hitting meat shot while schooving feel good af

[unique sparrow]

I'll just assume you suck with 1887

[vale obsidian]

(meat shot = all pallet hit)

[unique sparrow]

Best feeling ever

[bronze spade]

its not that i suck with it, it feels slow

[bitter surge]

Well it’s normal that it’s a bit slow because of how high DPS it is

[vale obsidian]

the only thing slow about the gun is it reload IMO

[unique sparrow]

Its... Supposed to be slow, it deals a crazy amount of damage

[bronze spade]

i drop people faster with the famas when they come at me with the 1887

[unique sparrow]

Yeah the reload is the only thing that is super slow in the gun

[spare arch]

Rideable horse mount

[hidden kindle]

why have they not buffed the model 1887 bruh this weapon sucks

[vale obsidian]

hah?

[fleet brook]

Below is better but that's still slow and leaves you with poor ammo

[spare arch]

yeah

[unique sparrow]

Its fine if the 1887 doesnt fit you but that doesnt mean its automatically a bad weapon yk

[hidden kindle]

oh like when your light teammate is being useless so they get turned into the dedicated horse?

[unique sparrow]

Fair point

[vale obsidian]

maybe a light can ride on heavy back lol

[hidden kindle]

was that what i said? no

[vale obsidian]

What? i thought we just throwing out idea man?

[hidden kindle]

keep that one to yourself

[vale obsidian]

????????????????

https://tenor.com/view/dab-reporter-gif-18923264

[kind night]

Snipers have no place in terminal attack they should be taken out like the healing beam and defibrillator

[unique sparrow]

So rude for no reason

[spare arch]

snipers have no place in this game period

[vale obsidian]

Snipers dosn''t havee any place in genaral, except tax shooter, tarkorv, or just really slow game

Slow the game down too much man!

[kind night]

I don't mind them in other game modes they just feel straight up unfair on ta especially if there's 2 of them

[unique sparrow]

And then theres like a gajillion snipers in Power Shift

[bronze spade]

goo grenade is a favorite

[quick ice]

@unique sparrow hence why I keep playing Heavy with all the shields...someone's gotta lay down some cover 🙄😒

[bronze spade]

then again i hope they fix the crosshair alignments

[unique sparrow]

I dont usually play heavy+i'd rather go out and hunt down the snipers

[weary eagle]

Its fine

[hidden kindle]

bro it does like zero dmg

[weary eagle]

High skill floor but have definetly seen people make it work

[weary eagle]

Yeah, if you use it at max range its gonna tickle

[unique sparrow]

1887 is super satisfying

[hidden kindle]

no

[quick ice]

Sound strategy...but someone has to stand on that platform and keep it moving...and I prefer to leave the snipers to the hunters and other snipers...

[weary eagle]

Tbh, if anything I dont see the revolver like at all in TA

1887 in comparison

[unique sparrow]

I still suck ass at Revolver lol

[quick ice]

And I disagree...anyone who has issues with any shotgun or the pistol obviously haven't landed the shots... I'm a huge KS-23 fan...I know it's not easy buts its worth it to me to shoot someone with it

[vale obsidian]

Mr. negitive need to get better aim before talking smack about da gun

[quick ice]

Agreed...As many times I've been killed by literally every weapon...

[bronze spade]

357 needs more of a accuracy buff

[vale obsidian]

which gun is the 357?

[bronze spade]

revolver

[vale obsidian]

honestly if they just fix the wobblily sight alone i will be happy

[hidden kindle]

no!

[vale obsidian]

yes :)

[spare arch]

you have 7 of them?

[hidden kindle]

it was a pre-beta thing

[vale obsidian]

*level 7

[spare arch]

thats a lot of shotguns!

[hidden kindle]

thanks!

[spare arch]

yeah!

[hidden kindle]

i worked pretty hard!

sold my car for the 5th and 6th!

[uneven star]

would a beam rifle for medium that overheats work in season 4

[vale obsidian]

depend on whats the gun use is

[uneven star]

medium long range

overheats after 13 seconds of use 25 dps

?

[vale obsidian]

i won't mind it tbh

but another sniper-ish weapon will be a little annoying

[uneven star]

it could be medium to close ish range

no scope

[quick ice]

The medium and heavy could use another rifle option and a beam cannon would be nice...the medium can have a rapid fire/ medium cooldown and the heavy can have a rail gun with fewer shots

[flint stone]

I would just kill for med to have a specialization to give them firerate + move speed or something. Like stim from titanfall almost, there's almost no reason to run melee weaps on med unless you're insane (both with them and otherwise)

[plucky barn]

there is no way there gonna add a railgun

[vale obsidian]

the game is literally a vr game show, the sky is the limit my friends

[plucky barn]

damn that true tho like tanks are literally scorpion like GET OVER HERE

[dreamy hare]

if embark collaborate with MK, and add scorpion set for heavy and scream get over here, they will be millionaires

[rotund pollen]

havent kept up with changes, whats good at the moment?

ye i noticed they are good for stomping people who are new 😦

[vale obsidian]

all weapon are viable*

just use what you like

[rotund pollen]

1 throw and melee?

[vale obsidian]

One head shot with a body shot in one burst i think

[rotund pollen]

yeah for sure, i always just find it interesting whats viable at what level of play

[light ether]

Is light a good class

[rotund pollen]

eg the TK being super oppressive to casual players but the XP being more dominant (at least in the past) at high elo

[rotund pollen]

lots of skill expression, weapons feel good to use vs other classes weapons but you do get pretty much 1 shot by everything so it takes good movement and decision making to really shine

[light ether]

Okay thank you I am new

[rotund pollen]

safe bets for less sweaty peeps is med or heavy but if you like fast high risk gameplay light is goated

[light ether]

I have skill I have been playing fps games for my entire life

[light ether]

I did not mean this in a rude way

[rotund pollen]

ye for sure keep in mind the meta is pretty dominated by utility and light has arguably the most selfish and worst utility

[light ether]

Okay

[rotund pollen]

so you will see a LOT of medium defib spam

[light ether]

What does that mean

[vale obsidian]

defib = quick resurrect

[rotund pollen]

medium can res someone by touching them once, can also hide hind the resing body for cover

[vale obsidian]

each medium only have one charge per cool down tho

[rotund pollen]

so to sum it up light is great if you have a team thats fairly self suffient and you can play off and flank without worrying about them getting rolled. but it falls off really hard if you either die yourself or your team cant hold the focus of the enemy

[light ether]

So you should stack if you play light

[vale obsidian]

*when your team is ass

[rotund pollen]

its pretty tough with randoms

[vale obsidian]

just play it like a solo game
no team but pls res form time to time

[rotund pollen]

they usually over commit and just die lol

or under commit and just die

[light ether]

Is there a counter to swords

[rotund pollen]

awareness spacing and dash

[vale obsidian]

they suppose to be really good at really close range so nothing you can do if you're caut in that situation

[rotund pollen]

xp-54 melts lights with headshots idk i usually melt them before they can get close unless i've fucked up and not noticed them

[light ether]

But you get a sword whith light so if you run to get range they can chase and catch you

[rotund pollen]

if you are also light with dash you move at same speed 🤷‍♂️

[vale obsidian]

thats a mater of who have better movement then

run vs chase

[light ether]

But if you play light you have the least heath making it easy to kill you

[rotund pollen]

melee is always gonna be more restrictive than a gun, you know he is gonna try and close the gap on you so you can use space to make sure he cant

[rotund pollen]

never had more than 1 or two sword users fuck with me much and it takes extreme mech skill to do all the emote canceling that i think is an exploit they ban for anyway?

[vale obsidian]

fun fact! he's also a light 👍

you can angle break pretty relyabily in this game

[rotund pollen]

is there an up to take ttk chart anywhere

[vale obsidian]

i got you
one sec

[light ether]

Is this your clip if so what do you use to go forward

[vale obsidian]

don't know if this is updated or not

https://esportsrambles.com/blog/the-finals-weapon-statistics

[rotund pollen]

ty ❤️

[rotund pollen]

ttk for crits with xp-54 on a light is 0.35s you can melt them so quick sword is not a problem

[vale obsidian]

there's many tech in the game, the most notable one are:

slide jump: run > slide > jump

eage slide: slide off an eage for nice speed boost

rebound slide: run > slide > wait for slide to end > run > jump to where every you want (can even do a 180)

[light ether]

So was that your clip

[vale obsidian]

yes

i have a dozen more lol

[light ether]

So what key do you use to go forward

[vale obsidian]

ohhhh you mean my key bind?

[light ether]

Yes

[vale obsidian]

people use WASD but i use ESDF for more button on my left that i need in other game

[light ether]

So what is your sprint key

[vale obsidian]

normal stuff just shift

[light ether]

So what is your crouch key

[vale obsidian]

V form the normal C

ctrl are too out of the way to press it

[light ether]

People use c to crouch

[vale obsidian]

oh i thought peeople use ctrl

[light ether]

I don’t I use mb1 but most people use ctrl

[vale obsidian]

you use left click for crouch?

[light ether]

Yes

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/coryxkenshin-looking-slowley-fnaf-gif-4020479549081122621

[light ether]

Then I use e for shoot

[vale obsidian]

you use WASD for movement right? howw da fck do you stafe while shooting??

[light ether]

I use wasd but I take my finger off w and on to e

[vale obsidian]

what about right click then?

[light ether]

That is aim

[vale obsidian]

you are really interesting man xD

now im really curious about whatt other weird bind you have lol

[light ether]

I use scroll wheel to jump

[vale obsidian]

you unbind space?

[light ether]

No it is my stun gun

[vale obsidian]

burhhhh i feel like you let an ai bind your keys or something
this is so random

xD

[light ether]

No o just made them when I was six and they stuck

[vale obsidian]

and never rebind everr seens? lol

[light ether]

Yea

[vale obsidian]

i find that kindda wholesome ngl

[light ether]

Should I try the default ones

[vale obsidian]

you really should man

[light ether]

Okay I will go in a match and try them

[vale obsidian]

it Will take a bit of getting use to

[light ether]

Okay

[vale obsidian]

but i swear to god anything is better then what you are using lmao

[light ether]

Okay

I am in a match

These arm more comfortable

[vale obsidian]

pick a teammate and fallow him till the ends of the earth man, even if you want to pull out a stun but accidentally throw a nade instead, the guy you fallow will have your back

[light ether]

I will try

[silk jungle]

these are the weirdest keybinds i´ve ever heard of

[light ether]

They are unique

[vale obsidian]

not the weirdest lmao

nah

[light ether]

My sister dose that

[vale obsidian]

I've seen moba player use FGHJ so they can reach their whole keybord
F1 to F12 inculded

[silk jungle]

the weirdest I'VE ever heard of haha, i know there have to be crazier ones somewhere

[vale obsidian]

csgo have alot of people using weird keybind lol

[silk jungle]

yeah but csgo players are weird in general haha

[light ether]

True

[vale obsidian]

which hand do you use it?

[bronze spade]

that aint nothing to the quake binds

[vale obsidian]

fun fact im getting into quake and so many people is bragging about their unusal bind to me lol

[bronze spade]

are you using a crt monitor?

[vale obsidian]

no
im playing quake champion not quake live or thing like that

[light ether]

Are you a light main

[vale obsidian]

i main medium and light but i play both the same (the light playstyle)

[light ether]

Oh

[bronze spade]

heresy

[vale obsidian]

ay im not that good ok bud?

all you geezer been playing the game for longer then i exsit bro

[bronze spade]

i think that game is hard in general because the gunplay is nothing like itself

[bronze spade]

im only 27

[light ether]

Boomer

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/b-boomer-boomer-bttv-twitch-classic-rock-gif-15991791

[bronze spade]

oh god dont tell me

[vale obsidian]

there's only zoomer in chat rn
you the only boomer here lol

[bronze spade]

https://tenor.com/view/doomer-ken-kanye-fan-gif-25334451

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[bronze spade]

techinically im gen z as 97 is the birth year

[light ether]

You were born in 1897

[vale obsidian]

great observation

[bronze spade]

i got to watch 911 live

[vale obsidian]

🛬

[light ether]

Yeah when you were a sentry old
Calling you a boomer is a complement

[vale obsidian]

don't know what it like and i don't want to tbh

[bronze spade]

or played gta vice city when it was new

retro gaming > modern

[vale obsidian]

hows doom 1 ?

[light ether]

Said no one ever

[light ether]

How was pong

[vale obsidian]

im sure there's some really old game that is golden even compare to the now game

[light ether]

Name one

[bronze spade]

chrono trigger? legend of dragoon

[silk jungle]

chess

[vale obsidian]

ay im not a boomer, i've never playy any old games

[light ether]

Never heard of it

[bronze spade]

HERESY

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[bronze spade]

unreal tournament

[vale obsidian]

the 2 big ass tower map look horrid to play

[light ether]

What the heck do you mean is this some old timey talk

[vale obsidian]

prffft

[bronze spade]

you guys want to talk about skill issue, ill show you what skill issue is

[vale obsidian]

no thx u
i had plenty of that in quake

[bronze spade]

hahaha3

[light ether]

What rank are you in the finals

[vale obsidian]

you are not old enough to knows
rank in this game dosn't matter

[bronze spade]

everyone is not good when they start out and getting demolished is a way of learning experience

modern fps really is not that hard and shows you where it has been dumbed down

[light ether]

Have you played apex ranked

[bronze spade]

have you played titanfall

[light ether]

Yes and it is easy and are talking about the campaign

[vale obsidian]

dude he been playing fps game for longer then you have walk on planet earth
he going to be good

[bronze spade]

im talking about the multiplayer

[light ether]

It is pretty easy

[bronze spade]

i used to compete in halo tournaments

[light ether]

Halo 1

[bronze spade]

3 and reach

[light ether]

What rank are you on the finals

[bronze spade]

i dont play rank

[light ether]

Why

[bronze spade]

its not a true skill ranking system

[vale obsidian]

rank in this game is just play time

[light ether]

Yes it is

[bronze spade]

compare to the halo 3 csr? yeah ok

[light ether]

You also get free items in ranked

[vale obsidian]

bro might be living under a rock

[light ether]

I live under a boulder

[vale obsidian]

under a mountain if all the heat of ta dosn't get to ya

i can list like 5 reason why ta is ass and people who actually play ta can porb list like 20 reason why ta is ass

[light ether]

💂‍♀️

[bronze spade]

i blame call of duty for ruining a generation

battlefield bad company 2 was a really good game devs

[light ether]

I blame brain rot

[silk jungle]

frfr short form videos, i can only pay attention to the first 10 seconds of a round

[vale obsidian]

the brain rot crosshair will help you!

we got ta family guy ep

we got a gta racing

we got colored sand being cut on the right there

andd ofc we gotta top it off with the supway suffer on the top lmao

idk but it funny tho lmao

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-victory-dance-cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-gif-26283524

[lucid barn]

They need to stop nerfing light

They might as well give them more health cuz right now they are sitting ducks with all the changes

[radiant vapor]

lights are still strong but are not as dominant anymore

[vale obsidian]

my man, light is very strong in the right hand, it dose not need a buff at all
(nor a nerf or light player will complain like always)

[radiant vapor]

they are complainging anyways xD

[cunning kettle]

lights are basically the opposite of "sitting ducks"

smaller hitbox, faster movement, two movement specializations

[cunning kettle]

gateway my beloved

[tame aspen]

Give smoke 2 charges but Double the time it is active make the cooldown a little faster make it so thermal can better see through smoke but make it impossible to see through poison gas make fire act as a sort of a flashbang if you look at it for too long while in thermal make throwing knives go farther with less drop off lower non headshot dmg and increase dmg of secondary attack add recon senses to L but can’t see through smoke and add sonar grenades to m and make tracking darts stick to surfaces and send out a pulse like the sonar grenades but in a much smaller radius also they will stick to players and still send out a pulse that could potentially reveal more enemies (no clue if this would actually work just my opinion)

[cunning kettle]

1. punctuation exists for a reason
2. recon senses are way too broken considering the fact that its basically esp
3. tracking darts being mini sonars that stick to people would be pretty cool

[mystic wyvern]

are lights harder to see now or in the beta?

[cunning kettle]

beta

[sly estuary]

Oh they were definitely harder to see in the past. They nerfed the invis cloak and invis bomb visibility in s2,

[mystic wyvern]

dam idk i really cant see a difference lol

[cunning kettle]

i kinda miss the sh1900 cloak meta

[sly estuary]

They also nerfed cloak duration

[cunning kettle]

stupid fucking tk dash meta nowadays

[sly estuary]

Well indirectly

[cunning kettle]

they nerfed the cost to start cloaking

[sly estuary]

Cloak was just stupid in beta

[mystic wyvern]

when i play heavy idk if im just trash but lights are hard to hit

do turrets just have aim bot or something?

[fleet brook]

Calling lights sitting ducks is like calling sports car slow

[cunning kettle]

perfect accuracy and they also stop you from cloaking once they detect you

[cunning kettle]

small hitbox + fast

[fleet brook]

As someone who played during sh1900 one shot and ran grappling with it sometimes invis

It was probably bad for the game

[cunning kettle]

thats why i love flamethrower against lights

[cunning kettle]

its better that they removed it but god do i miss the s1 shenanigans

[mystic wyvern]

idk i just sometimes think their to op and annoying to deal with especially if there is a triple medium running turrets.

[fleet brook]

They lock onto you but before that they have a slow turning rate

[cunning kettle]

iirc turrets have a 45degree fov while they turn

[fleet brook]

You can also invis past them or run the most underrated gadget glitch grenade

[cunning kettle]

goo all over the turrets!

[mystic wyvern]

i just get behind them when i can

[cunning kettle]

i was talking about lights when i said "small hitbox + fast"

pro tip for fighting turrets: d a t a r e s h a p e r

[mystic wyvern]

i run frags pad and defib

[mystic wyvern]

ill maybe try it tho

[bronze spade]

lights are incredibly easy to use right now, no risk, and the skill ceiling is low like if you're having problems right now using light class thats on you

[lucid barn]

What is Sh1900??

[mystic wyvern]

double shotty

[fleet brook]

Lights shotgun

[cunning kettle]

Boomstick

[fluid gale]

does the medium shotty need a nerf?

[bronze spade]

no

[bronze spade]

you're the sole reason why i ran recon senses

[cunning kettle]

Nah

[fluid gale]

why did they remove recon senses?

[bronze spade]

it was broken beyond repair

[bronze spade]

lets just say it was wall hacks

[deft bobcat]

Which melee weapon better for light, sword or dagger?

[bronze spade]

neither go riot shield or go home

[hushed edge]

Dual wielding pistols?

[kindred lily]

yes definitely does

[bronze spade]

skill issue

[violet cosmos]

model is completely fine where it is

[kindred lily]

def not that thing has way to much range lol

[bronze spade]

you have to be accurate with that thing, if you are getting killed by range you are not strafing enough or doing something wrong

[violet cosmos]

the main reason why it has such good range is the same reason why its hard to hit shots at close range with, it has not that much spread

[bronze spade]

med shotgun is op but TK or lh1h1 isnt

lmfao

[kindred lily]

def not it beats most guns in fights and it’s a shotgun

[violet cosmos]

Lh1 is in a fine spot, TK is only annoying because it can spam forever

[bronze spade]

it doesnt, if you even miss a pellet you are screwed

[kindred lily]

oh yall are obviously med players that explains it 😂

[violet cosmos]

I literally play all three classes

[bronze spade]

light takes no skill at all this season

[violet cosmos]

I cleared the 150 round wins with medium first

[bronze spade]

it having 100 meters while the fcar is barely have the range doesnt make sense at all

[violet cosmos]

thats because they nerfed the wrong parts of the FCAR, thats not the LH1's fault

[bronze spade]

the light already has a sniper as well

[kindred lily]

😂 what do you meannnn light is literally the worst class

[violet cosmos]

that doesn't even matter

[bronze spade]

no its not.

[violet cosmos]

light is still the worst class, you are never not better off with the teamplay potential of defib/healbeam and heavies defense to stop steals

[bronze spade]

light needs a role, when it comes down to triple stacking yeah i can see that narrative but over all light right now doesnt need postioning at all anymore, you literally have a weapon you can spam indefinitly and can clear multiple teams out with out ease

[kindred lily]

then what’s the worst class 😂

[violet cosmos]

he's supposed to be fragger/assassin but people would be upset by their weapons being any better than they are now, because if they were worse Light would literally be unable to kill anyone

so therefore, he needs utility that he still doesn't have

[kindred lily]

wya what’s the worst class bud because i know your not gunna say med or heavy takes skill😂

[bronze spade]

you literally have tk dont talk

[violet cosmos]

either he needs to provide something to the team other then vague 'scouting' potential or he needs to be better at getting frags, and nobody wants to be in a position where Light wins every gunfight

[kindred lily]

they are trash

[bronze spade]

you're not using them

[kindred lily]

if you have problems with them, you just have a skill issue

[bronze spade]

yeah you have no idea what you're talking about

[bronze spade]

let me guess you're a xp user

[kindred lily]

ofc not those things really suck tbh they just do a lot of damage and kinda BS at times

[kindred lily]

yes ma’am

[bronze spade]

figures. v95 is better

[violet cosmos]

TK's is a crutch, and if light needs that to be a threat on the field, that should speak to the shitty balancing at play regarding light as a class in general

[violet cosmos]

you're just trolling now, there is no reality where the pistol wins any gunfights against the XP because of latency screwing over your shots, you're always better off with something that doesn't fire that fast like the LH1 or fires in full auto like the XP

[bronze spade]

they need utility, not weapons that make them challenge a heavy head on

[violet cosmos]

I agree, thats why I said nobody wants lights weapons to be any better than they are now

[bronze spade]

i dont know, i play kbm and im always pulling headshot for days

[violet cosmos]

it would be bad to just make them the uncontested frag class

[kindred lily]

you have a 100 more health, then a light and you’re still getting deepfried

[violet cosmos]

Against mediums and heavies its fine, but against lights who have an XP? Its awful

[bronze spade]

your weapon damage more then makes up for your "low" health

[bronze spade]

i dont have a problem

[violet cosmos]

alright

[kindred lily]

he just hasn’t actually tried playing light😂

[bronze spade]

then tf is the v95

[kindred lily]

i think you mean v9S*

[bronze spade]

you should work on your flanking skills and over all general awarness of how to play light class

[kindred lily]

tell me you don’t play light without telling me you don’t light 😂

[kindred lily]

i would love to catch you in private 😂

[bronze spade]

i can tell you're trash

[kindred lily]

alright ma’am

[kindred lily]

You’re just mad cause you suck at using the best class in the game

[bronze spade]

its not really the best any more

[kindred lily]

?????😂😂😂

[kindred lily]

explain how

[bronze spade]

if you are arguing on the fact weapons alone, yeah its not the best, med best use right now is for its utility

[kindred lily]

ak is literally one of the best guns in the game scar is still pretty good. The burst rifle literally can one burst lights, then on top of that you have the best shotgun in the game and then on top of that, you have heal, beam and defibrillator. Also, don’t forget you have glitch mines, which are super strong The list goes on and on.

[bronze spade]

akm is good but slow compare to getting hit with the tk or xp, the fcar is not that good, the burst rifle needs a scope, the shotgun needs set up and accuracy for it to work

[hardy dust]

Ak is pretty good and famas cannot 1 burst light

[hardy dust]

Light weapons are supposed to do more damage

[bronze spade]

yeah at optimal range

[kindred lily]

excuse me a burst and half 😂

if the high tournament level you never see lights it’s medium, medium, heavy or heavy, heavy medium and the most recent tournament won the mediums were using scars just saying 🤷🏽

[bronze spade]

again triple stacks and utility use

[hardy dust]

Fcar is arguably the weakest of the 3 ars, but barely

[keen nymph]

whats the srongest ar in medium??

[kindred lily]

I don’t disagree, but still better than most guns in the game

[bronze spade]

the famas has the potential

[hardy dust]

Famas probably, but it's better off using the one you like the most since they're very close

[hardy dust]

Of what?

[bronze spade]

triple stack meds with healing beam or two heavies one med

you dont see lights because damage is not the priority its team play, if lights had utility use it would be seen more

[restive plover]

people want to 1v9 so baddd lol

[kindred lily]

all you mediums are just crying because you all got you’re sonar stolen 😂

[bronze spade]

keep on the cope, you want the 1887 nerf

[kindred lily]

no ma’am no cope here 😂

87 is actually should be considered a sniper it has so much range 😂

[bronze spade]

not that far of range

[dusty abyss]

i like using the 93R : )

[bronze spade]

based

[restive plover]

Nobody is complains about the sonar being removed from medium, however each class having a sonar ability/gadget just made sense. Even with the sonar being given to light class, they still lack a sense of direction/roll. Still, too many people want to play light class, understandably considering they’re the most cracked class.

[kindred lily]

they definitely have a role

[pearl gull]

Disrupting its their role

[restive plover]

if so, it’s not team oriented

[rocky hearth]

Seriously lights role is just to be annoying doesn't mean it's good or fair game design

[restive plover]

it’s more selfish than anything, why triple stack light class?

[pearl gull]

But like you said, most of light lack direction, or game sense to know whats their role

[kindred lily]

how are they annoying explain?

[restive plover]

is that bait?

[bronze spade]

when did you start playing?

[kindred lily]

open beta guarantee I probably have more hours than you

[pearl gull]

When you get to gold is when you start seeing more decent Lights(tournaments), the higher the rank it seems that people get better with their guns and relying a bit less in their utiliies

[restive plover]

I played season one, I missed out on beta 200 plus hours

[rocky hearth]

Invis, dash, sonar grenade, fastest ttk, throwing knives don't need to reload, only class with sniper, and only class with stun hmm how are they annoying are you joking?

[bronze spade]

lmfao, you've been playing since beta like i have and you dont know how light is annoying

[restive plover]

I believe the right thing to do, as medium class NEEDS a marksman weapon, move the L1 to Medium class, either keep it exactly as it is or remove the 100m distance -

[bronze spade]

hours doesn't correlate to skill

[kindred lily]

Invisit really isn’t that hard to see unless someone standing still dash really is their best ability throwing knives are kind of trash to be honest yeah and they have a sniper, so what

[rocky hearth]

All classes need a better ranged option the melee weapons are ruining the game they gave light bow when it should've been medium

[pearl gull]

Medium, medium, that class has the best utilities

[restive plover]

I may not be as accurate as you with certain weapons, but team play is my specialty, it’s why drives me to play - I don’t need to 1v9 when I have teammates!

[pearl gull]

They nerfed Lewis gun a few times that its almost like the fresh, default heavy gun of heavy, just to make appealing melee weapons I assume

[kindred lily]

there’s nothing wrong with team play def needed

Heavy does not need long range capabilities

Neither does medium their health makes up for that for them to take closer fights

[pearl gull]

Lewis gun its the only decnt one long range shots in heavy but you dont want a rifle with 47+ bullet landing all shots from so far

[kindred lily]

how about this just don’t challenge a light on a roof with a fucking sniper😂

[rocky hearth]

Invis in a 3v3v3 isn't the easiest to pick out, no one gets a movement ability besides light that's why they are annoying, throwing knives like I said don't have reload maybe actually try reading what I'm putting down. The class is genuinely designed as a thorn in your side that's the point I'm just not a fan when all their weapons are overtuned and the other classes get nerfed into the ground

[mystic wyvern]

lol

[bronze spade]

go back and play call of duty with that statement

[pearl gull]

Light with snipers are just trolls in tournaments, it makes a 2v3 for their team

[mystic wyvern]

some lights are just selfish

[bronze spade]

some lights just cost the game because their utility is trash

[mystic wyvern]

ive come across some that do good team work but thats just rare to come across

[restive plover]

The Winch Claw is the only thing heavy actually has going for them, from my perspective people are only complaining because it’s their only counter - after three seasons of nerfs, of course there is going to be a power creep.

[kindred lily]

bro, what are you talking about? light just got nerfed throwing knives are not really that strong and yes light has movement because we have 150 HP dude could you imagine a medium zooming around dash? Are you serious right now? you sound like a heavy, trying to cope with being trash

[mystic wyvern]

mesh shield better

[bronze spade]

delusion at its best

[hardy dust]

💀

[restive plover]

Throwing Knifes are still doing over 400 plus damage! - And you complain about the winch, claw and flamethrower?

[pearl gull]

Winch claw shouldn't go to mesh shields at all, I understand a bubble cause allow you to drop it and shoot through it, but not mesh

[hardy dust]

Stop making up random numbers

[mystic wyvern]

just get good and stop complaining lol

[restive plover]

you must be talking to yourself

[bronze spade]

stop being a scrub

[hardy dust]

Tk are outclassed by smgs, lh1 amd v9s

[rocky hearth]

Did I say everyone needs movement ever nope once again man actually read, I haven't said throwing knives have good damage they don't reload so there's no downtime as long as I'm reloading I can get jumped it's just not a fun thing to play around imo

[hardy dust]

A sad world we live in...

[pearl gull]

The lastest lewis gun recoil chance is ass, its been challenging to learn it

[restive plover]

Why does the light class XP-54 have a longer range than the Medium Scar?

[kindred lily]

you’re definitely insinuating it

[hardy dust]

That's the only logical thing you've said so far

[restive plover]

that’s highly subjective

[hardy dust]

Xp falloff should be 62% instead of 70%

[kindred lily]

do me a favor and play three games with light with throwing knives and to come back to me

[rocky hearth]

Lol OK take it how you want

[mystic wyvern]

light: solo movement. medium: team movement and support. heavy:team support and just tanking

[bronze spade]

too easy

[naive iris]

It does? I thought scar had a better range with an aggressive as Recoil

[kindred lily]

it doesn’t

[rocky hearth]

I have played it and it's really easy and to dash on top of people reloading

[hardy dust]

Only past 40m

Scar is better midrange

[kindred lily]

probably not 😔

[pearl gull]

Throwing knives learning curve is easier than a recoil pattern gun for sure, now the damage is a bit crazy imo or the fact thats its a spammable weapon

[hardy dust]

So it's only really far out that xp outclasses ars

[hardy dust]

Yeah and the skill ceiling is lower too

They've done this much damage since s1

[kindred lily]

it’s really just a crutch weapon

[restive plover]

faster reload & easy recoil control

[hardy dust]

This

[bronze spade]

the l1h1 is arguably more so

[hardy dust]

Tk ought to be reworked

[pearl gull]

I understand that making throwing knives reload seems a bit odd but maybe throwing animation a bit slower?

[rocky hearth]

I just wanna see buffs I'm sick of seeing nerfs

[restive plover]

less damage

[kindred lily]

that doesn’t mean it good or bad it just a fall on weapon if you’re trash

[hardy dust]

Lh1 isn't as spammy and takes more aiming

[bronze spade]

a little more aiming but its possible to spam

[hardy dust]

Only right up close

[rocky hearth]

Throwing knives reload definitely doesn't not make sense the idea I have unlimited knives on me that I can never ending through is straight up bottomless bag fantasy

[bronze spade]

most maps play up close

[pearl gull]

The nerfed my boy Lewis so much 🥲

[restive plover]

the throwing knifes need to deal less damage, no sense in making a reload animals

animation*

[hardy dust]

And its just firing your weapon...

[kindred lily]

it’s a video game you literally pull unlimited magazines out of your ass for your AK

[hardy dust]

Tk are spammy because you don't reload

[restive plover]

everyone one has unlimited ammo

[rocky hearth]

Your reloading there's still some kind of barrie for realism bottomless bag of knives makes no sense at all

[restive plover]

or what if we make the throwing knifes into a highly skilled gadget

[pearl gull]

But guns got reload animation, have you seen how slow the new shotgun from heavy is? forgot the name, the 6 bullets one

[hardy dust]

Realism is always a shit argument in video games like this

[restive plover]

like the RPG

[kindred lily]

All throwing knives need is a slower fire rate

[hardy dust]

Aint no way.. this has got to be bait

[bronze spade]

and a delay between throws like a burst

[restive plover]

A grenade does more damage than an RPG, I don’t understand the hate lol

[rocky hearth]

So a game that's trying to have realistic structural damage and physics is a terrible game to try and put some reality into it? Touch grass man

[hardy dust]

That would hurt the ttk even more, it's already slower than the guns

[kindred lily]

boom fixed then i can stop hearing all you cry baby mediums, complaining about them

[hardy dust]

Yeah the game where people explode into coins and run around building goo spaceships

[bronze spade]

you're crying about the 1887 just stop

[kindred lily]

i hope the devs never listen to a word you say 😂

[rocky hearth]

So cod the game where people can t bag so unrealistic

[kindred lily]

oh you’re back

[hardy dust]

Tk needs a lower rate of fire, and some kind of damage increase that actually requires you to use skill, so smth like a higher headshot multi

[restive plover]

No damage increase - lol

[bronze spade]

tk takes no skill

[hardy dust]

Exactly why it should be reworked to actually take skill

[kindred lily]

87 and tk are in same category lil buddy

[restive plover]

no way you are serious vouching for light to have a damage increase

[hardy dust]

Keep the ttk the same but with lower rate of fire -> higher punishment for missing

[bronze spade]

not at all, 1887 actually takes skill

[hardy dust]

Model takes skill

[rocky hearth]

I hope the devs actually try and revive their game that's dying

[bronze spade]

you cant spam the 1887 and not get punished

[kindred lily]

not really

[hardy dust]

But still would be in line for a nerf.
A slightly wider spread so the range isn't as strong

[kindred lily]

well, they’re not gonna do it listening to you😂

[restive plover]

What about Light Class sniper needs sway and damage drop off brought down from 100m to 75m

[hardy dust]

The spread is so tight you have to be directly on target or it misses

[rocky hearth]

They do it listening to you? The irony astounding

[hardy dust]

Although the real things that need to be nerfed are stuff like winch, c&s and rpg

[bronze spade]

lights need to go back to playing thier positioning and worry about not being seen, ive seen too many who get the wrong idea because of the way how these weapons are handled

[rocky hearth]

Winch defs needs lots of work

[restive plover]

The Winch has already been nerfed, as the RPG too

[hardy dust]

Not enough

[rocky hearth]

The fact when it hits you it's a stun is total bs

[bronze spade]

slowest class with the biggest hitbox

[kindred lily]

it need another one

[hardy dust]

Doesn't matter if they have free win buttons.
There's a reason heavy has been the strongest class in the game by far since forever

[restive plover]

sniper, throwing knifes, taser, the lost goes on for light class - just because some don’t know how to use it doesn’t mean everything needs nerfed to accommodate for the lower tier players

[rocky hearth]

They have 350 health and only class with access to shields but yeah big slow guy

[restive plover]

list

[hardy dust]

None of those are even the best options for light

[rocky hearth]

Does anyone still play TA? lol

[restive plover]

🤡

[hardy dust]

When rpg, winch and c&s get nerfed, heavy's weapons could get buffed so they don't feel shit to use

[kindred lily]

you obviously don’t play light 😂

[hardy dust]

You have no clue what you're talking about

[restive plover]

when you Nerf, those the game is dead - too many people already quit because of how many light players are plugging this season

do you guys only play light class? omg

[hardy dust]

I play all 3 classes and have a much better understanding of the game than you obviously

[bronze spade]

i play light and med, heavy is once in a blue moon

[restive plover]

clearly not

[kindred lily]

do you only play med or heavy 😂

[kindred lily]

who asked 🤷🏽‍♂️ you

[restive plover]

you got two keyboard warriors who laugh react to my comments and you think you’re opinion is better than all of ours

[bronze spade]

why do you keep making brain dead takes, have you ever played a real shooter like quake

[hardy dust]

You were literally making stuff up earlier

[kindred lily]

because they are better opinions🤷🏽‍♂️

[restive plover]

as a heavy class when I get one shot by throwing knife that did over 300 damage, it’s not making it up

[hardy dust]

You got backstabbed

[restive plover]

maybe I encountered a cheater, but it’s not fake lol

[bronze spade]

better utility use, not damage

[restive plover]

that’s a nice assumption, but no

[hardy dust]

You know the dagger, on light.
When you m2, it does 320 dmg if it's behind you

[restive plover]

throwing knives are 100% capable of doing over 300 damage

[bronze spade]

you have forgotten alt fire

[hardy dust]

After 4 headshots

[kindred lily]

it’s a dps glass cannon that’s how the game is setup light is DPS medium is a healer/support heavy as a tank

[rocky hearth]

The hit box on dagger is crazy melee as a whole is ruining the game for me more than anything

[restive plover]

dudes trying so hard to cope telling me what I experienced

[hardy dust]

It does 140/210

[kindred lily]

yes but you have hit a heavy six times to do that with TKs

[hardy dust]

Dagger is one of the worst weapons in the game...

[bronze spade]

there has been times where i saw it did 300

[rocky hearth]

Something i don't get is since the devs want them as glass cannon why don't they get mines like they get no defensive options no?

[hardy dust]

Then it was dagger, because it's literally impossible

[restive plover]

dude played from beta and he’s acting like he doesn’t know,

[bronze spade]

smh

[restive plover]

cope harder

[bronze spade]

in other words no team use

[hardy dust]

It has sonar/glitch/gateway + general information (callouts...etc)

[restive plover]

Why does the RPG do more damage to self than enemy?

[bronze spade]

thats not enough to justify it being a good utility use

[hardy dust]

Because rpg is overpowered and that's one of the ways to reduce to power, but it's still absolutely op

[bronze spade]

i want a rocket launcer for heavy

[restive plover]

I think most people forget that the Throwing Knofes have two alternate fire rates /

[hardy dust]

Not really, when you can have another heavy or medium

[hardy dust]

Maybe because the m2 is pretty bad

[bronze spade]

i would rather have another defib med and a heavy

[kindred lily]

So you can’t be trash and shoot it at your feet?

[bronze spade]

lights need a revive tool

[hardy dust]

Yeah, it's a lot easier to get value with M or H than L.
If you want HML the light needs to be really good

[restive plover]

Sarge is the king of Discord, I feel like he doesn’t leave this alone for five minutes 😭

[kindred lily]

sooooo🤷🏽‍♂️

[restive plover]

wait who are you?

damn I found Sarges girlfriend

[kindred lily]

Only thing I’ll agree with you on

[hardy dust]

Idk about that

Light can already grab trophies and get into safe revive spots pretty well

[kindred lily]

i know it’s just funny how busted that would be 😂

[hardy dust]

Light would finally be viable

[kindred lily]

yes make it happen 😂

[bronze spade]

why should the triple stack be nerfed just for light to be good instead of making something for light it to be viable in utility

[rocky hearth]

Yall have a nice day just know I'd squash any of yall in a 1v1

[hardy dust]

Mhm

[kindred lily]

sure bud

[hardy dust]

Or have both?
Or just nerf the issues on H and M

[kindred lily]

what ever helps you sleep at night

[rocky hearth]

WaSsup_ErVing on Playstation anytime losers

[restive plover]

light shouldn’t be that viable - light isn’t supposed go head to head with a heavy and think “oh free kill” - they are supposed to be sacred of heavy, the witch claw & flame flower, the RPG it’s supposed scare you

[kindred lily]

shoooo fly

[hardy dust]

That's how it is rn

[restive plover]

nah

[kindred lily]

add me i’ll fry you tonight

[rocky hearth]

Your just scared you'll lose lol

[hardy dust]

Light gets hard countered by heavy

[restive plover]

season one maybe, 🤔

[hardy dust]

Have you even played in s1?

[bronze spade]

not with good positioning

[hardy dust]

Even with good positioning sometimes

[restive plover]

If you remembered from our conversation earlier, yes I payed since release

[bronze spade]

and a controller kid

[kindred lily]

you’re still here crying you must be obsessed with me already

[restive plover]

we have to counter light players flying around the map, with a taser and a gun that can literally one clip you in a second lol - so sad to see something so powerful get missed used - played by the mass